soldering points on the A series psx controller

[xero15]

so i just opened up my pad read for the solderless hack and then i noticed that i dont have a terminal in which i can put the wires so i have to resort back to soldering. so where are the soldering points on the board?

[Kamirasenken]

is it a Dual shock psx pad? or a normal digital psx pad with no analogs?

[shoo]

i have the one for H series
http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b160/shoobert/ps1DSHseries.jpg

i think you might find something here too
http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=25469.msg382460#msg382460

[Taiki]

so i just opened up my pad read for the solderless hack and then i noticed that i dont have a terminal in which i can put the wires so i have to resort back to soldering. so where are the soldering points on the board?

The transparent A Series are the only ones you can do the solderless hack.

[Green]

The transparent A Series are the only ones you can do the solderless hack.
Why is that?

[Qugstav]

Any significant differences from the dual shock H and M series?

[poonage]

The transparent A Series are the only ones you can do the solderless hack.

Not true, I've done the hack on a non-transparent A-Series controller (white shell/PSOne controller).

[Taiki]

Not true, I've done the hack on a non-transparent A-Series controller (white shell/PSOne controller).

Oh fuggin' weird.

Maybe it's just the grey ones and all of the transparent/not-grey A series have been the hackable ones?

[Green]

Oh fuggin' weird.

Maybe it's just the grey ones and all of the transparent/not-grey A series have been the hackable ones?
What are you talking about? I opened up a gray DualShock controller and it had the ribbon terminal.

[xero15]

i think everyone misunderstood me. but yes it has the analog pad. i was trying to do spiffy shoes solderless hack but when i opened it up there was no terminal for me to place wires into. and this was the only controller i could find in town anyways and i cant return it, past time for that. so i want to solder wires to it so i can use it but i dont know where the soldering points are.

[paper tiger]

You might want to ask Toodles. Guy seems to know most everything about this kind of stuff from what I've read.

[Paik4Life]

It's pretty common knowledge that just because it's a DS1 A series doesn't mean it will be solderless. I've even had H series that were solderless. The reason why Spiffy suggests the transparent ones is so you can verify if it's solderless without buying them. Any other pad is a common hack. Look at the H series one posted above. It may not look exactly the same but it will give you a good idea. The ground and signals may be in different places for each button but just look for the common ground. You will see that all the grounds will be connected by traces. The OTHER one is the signal.

~Paik

[jugoso]

Can someone tell what cables should I use for this hack? I tried with some from an old DC controller I never used and they were rather thick.

Also... is it really as difficult as I think it is? It was almost impossible for me to get 2 cables together with my psycho killer pulse

[Green]

The A-series solderless hack should be done with 26 gauge solid (plating is optional) insulated copper wire.

[xero15]

It's pretty common knowledge that just because it's a DS1 A series doesn't mean it will be solderless. I've even had H series that were solderless. The reason why Spiffy suggests the transparent ones is so you can verify if it's solderless without buying them. Any other pad is a common hack. Look at the H series one posted above. It may not look exactly the same but it will give you a good idea. The ground and signals may be in different places for each button but just look for the common ground. You will see that all the grounds will be connected by traces. The OTHER one is the signal.

~Paik

i know this as well my original idea was to solder anyways but i still had to find a ps1 pad i just happened to have gotten an a series out of coincidence and was gonna follow spiffy's idea but when i saw i couldnt it was back to line one. but it doesnt look the same as soldering a series h pad so i was asking.

[Paik4Life]

Again, they may not look EXACTLY the same, but aside from the solderless type, all other DS1 look almost the same. Some you will see have soldering points that are semi-circles, while others sometimes use interlocking U shapes and such. Regardless, the soldering points should still be quite obvious.

And if people really want help, post a CLEAR picture of the PCB and someone will mark the soldering points for you. It would take less than a minute for me to do so. This would have provided an answer within a post or two as opposed to ongoing useless posts.

~Paik

[Qugstav]

PS1 Dual Shock M

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v243/Gustav_Drangeid/PCBsolder-1.jpg

Don't know whether it's clear enough or not.. If not I'll just take another

[Paik4Life]

The picture could be better but it's enough where I'm 99% sure of all the marks I've made here. If it were a better picture, I would have done a neater job on the coloring, but you get the idea. As always, I use clickable thumbnails, so click to enlarge it.

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a141/Paik4Life/Useful%20Photos/th_PCBsoldercolored.jpg (http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a141/Paik4Life/Useful%20Photos/PCBsoldercolored.jpg)

Note that there are multiple points to solder for a lot of these. For example you will see the directions have the big black area but there is also a small circle near it as well. Also you can see the solder points for the L and R triggers or you can go right next to them where the "orangish colored material is and scratch off that material to find the copper traces.

All PS pads have a common ground so even though I've marked all the areas, you obviously can choose the one that's easiest for you.

~Paik

[Qugstav]

Thanks!

Question.. Can I use one of the grounds for all buttons and another for just the stick (LS-32-01)?


PS. Offtopically; When mounting the stick on HFS2, did you remove the all the crap (like screw holes and other shit in the way) on the original mounting area?

[V4MPIRO]

where do i find the 26 solid gauge?

[ShaithEatery]

i litterally just took apart my black duel shock ps2 a series controller, and it doesn't hvae the ribben cable, at least not a solderless one from what i can tell :(

http://img410.imageshack.us/img410/954/p4160016mediumlx8.jpg

haven't been sucessfull in finding any tutorials for this kind of pad (at least, none from any threads where pics still exist). i assume this will take some soldering? if so, can somebody be so kind as to label the button config? (could probably figure it out from the top circuit, but having somebody who knows what they're doing label it would make me feel more confident :D )

[final_cut]

If you are using a PS2 pad and not a ps1 pad, you probably won't be able to get it to work- I don't think I have ever seen a dual shock 2 pad hacked and working properly. I think it has to do with the buttons being analog or something?

[Qugstav]

Question.. Can I use one of the grounds for all buttons and another for just the stick (LS-32-01)?

Just bumping cuz I'll start soldering soon (by which I mean not me, as I'm solderwisely retarded)

[hanz0]

i litterally just took apart my black duel shock ps2 a series controller, and it doesn't hvae the ribben cable, at least not a solderless one from what i can tell :(

http://img410.imageshack.us/img410/954/p4160016mediumlx8.jpg

haven't been sucessfull in finding any tutorials for this kind of pad (at least, none from any threads where pics still exist). i assume this will take some soldering? if so, can somebody be so kind as to label the button config? (could probably figure it out from the top circuit, but having somebody who knows what they're doing label it would make me feel more confident :D )

here this will help you they sucsessfully hacked a ps2 pad exaclty like yours:wink:

http://mywebpages.comcast.net/jdpyle1/controls_playstation.htm

they say that it will work as long as you dont use a perfect 360 controller.:wink:

PS: i have a controller exactly like yours the thing is, is that the solder spots are very small and a pain in the ass to do, hope you get it working:sweat:

[ShaithEatery]

here this will help you they sucsessfully hacked a ps2 pad exaclty like yours:wink:

http://mywebpages.comcast.net/jdpyle1/controls_playstation.htm

they say that it will work as long as you dont use a perfect 360 controller.:wink:

PS: i have a controller exactly like yours the thing is, is that the solder spots are very small and a pain in the ass to do, hope you get it working:sweat:

it looks like that controller is a little different than mine as far as how the buttons hook up. mine, if you can see, doesn't have a white plastic housing for the solder points, but the circuit just kind of lays on top of it for the connection. i assume it's fairly similar, but like i said, i need to find out which points are for which buttons.

[xero15]

well paik it looks exactly like that pic of the ps2 controller but its for the psx

[Raisin]

where do i find the 26 solid gauge?
One option is Fry's Electronics (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=3300+Finley+Road,+Downers+Grove,+IL&ie=UTF8&z=15&ll=41.82829,-88.025465&spn=0.015062,0.044117&om=1&iwloc=addr), but if you go, be careful what you actually get -- I was there not long ago when they were taking inventory, and the wire stock was all mixed up. They'd have 18 gauge hanging where 24 was supposed to be, stranded wire hanging in the solid wire section, and so forth. It was kind of a mess.

[Green]

where do i find the 26 solid gauge?
Call your local electronics shops (the good ones). Shipping usually kills online orders.

[Nyawu]

I managed to get everything working with the solderless hack, BUT, I have one big problem preventing my stick from being use-able: sometimes, the directions register as double/triple taps, making doing moves inconsisant and sometimes impossible.

I'm using a sanwa JLF-TP-8Y.

My guesses are that the following could be the problem:
1. My solderless hacking is kinda ugly. Tried re-inputting the wires a few times, but the plastic coating around the wire forces the wires next to it aside, and may cause a problem.

2. The ground wire is wired wrong, but that woun't make sense, since every button and direction 'works', just the direction registers as double taps...

Is this a common wiring problem? If so, what is usually the problem? Thanks in advance. Oh, and here's a picture of my (sad) solderless hack, if it helps identifying the problem.

http://www.nyawu.com/aseries.jpg

[hanz0]

is that a ps2 controller??? is so i think i have one exactly like that, did you just stick the wires in there???:sweat:

EDIT: IF this is a PS2 controllers i think they have multiple grounds.
Also did you daisy chain everything to 1 ground or you have multiple grounds?

can you post the order that you put the wires in there
from left to right?

my guess is that maybe that some of the wires might be touching each other and making contact. thats why you get the double taps.

[Nyawu]

It's a DS1 for psx. and I chained the one ground to everything.
The order I put the wires in is the same as the ones listed here:
http://home.comcast.net/~spiffyshoes/DualShockHack/

I know that they're atlease in the right slot because everything "works", just the directions are double taps....

So yeah, one of my guesses too was the wiring touching because of how the wires are being pushed to the side by one another. Is there any special types of 26 gauge wires I'm suppost to use that won't do that?(the ones I use are shown in my picture above)

[ShunThanos]

I have alot of trouble with the PS2 solderless hack. It seems like the ground for the buttons and directions isn't working right. I am pretty sure I put the wires in the right place but when I go to test everything, the buttons and directions don't register.

[Forster]

Anyone else unable to get that spiffyshoes link working?

Everytime I view it, Im getting comcasts page unavailable - traffic problem?

[Starcade RIP]

I'm really glad this thread came up!

It is time for me to get a real stick to use at home. Being that MAS is backordered by a few months and I'll have some time to kill after exams anyway, I'm going to custom build.

My questions related to the topic: How do I know what "series" a playstation controller is? Should I go for a PS1 controller instead of a PS2? The link I found here in the custom thread is very helpful for building the actual box, but seems to only have xbox and dreamcast pad hack info. (http://nuclearplayground.com/joysticks/) Any further advice would be really appreciated.

Thanks in advance for any help you might offer.

[Green]

Yes, PS1 DualShock controllers are ideal.

[Starcade RIP]

Will any PS1 dualshock do or do they have to be the new PSone versions? Are some easier than others?

Also, can the thingy that causes the joystick rumble be safely removed without causing shorts or the hacked controller to malfunction?

Sorry for the newbie questions, but I haven't found a good guide specifically for the PS1 pads. If I'm missing something obvious please let me know.

Edit: yay! Parts are on order!

[mrpanda666]

for people doing the solderless hack...

you can use the wires found in cat5 cable (the type found in network cabling).....gives you 8 different colors to use for your wiring....and the size is just perfect

[Starcade RIP]

Does anyone have info on the solderless hack? That link that was posted about it seems to be down.

[Raisin]

Does anyone have info on the solderless hack?
That link that was posted about it seems to be down.
I just put some in the Missing SpiffyShoes solderless hack thread (http://forums.shoryuken.com/showthread.php?p=3833628) since it seems more appropriate there, for now, and I don't want to go too far off-topic here.

Misc. other stuff:

To see what model series your PS controller is, just flip it over and look for it listed somewhere (in very small text) on the back.
Everything I've read says that you can/should safely hack off the rumble motors from the PCB altogether.
If you aren't solder-phobic, some of the PS1 pads are considered easy hacks. For example, here's the PS1 H-Series (http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b160/shoobert/ps1DSHseries.jpg). Couldn't be much simpler, could it?

[Starcade RIP]

I appreciate all the help! Now to try to hunt down a store that actually still stocks PS1 stuff in my area...

[Green]

for people doing the solderless hack...

you can use the wires found in cat5 cable (the type found in network cabling).....gives you 8 different colors to use for your wiring....and the size is just perfect
Quite loose, actually. I won't use 24-gauge for fear of it loosening intermittently.

[mrpanda666]

Quite loose, actually. I won't use 24-gauge for fear of it loosening intermittently.

Yeah...but if you use what left of the terminal ribbon....its a very solid fit :D

[Forster]

I just put some in the Missing SpiffyShoes solderless hack thread (http://forums.shoryuken.com/showthread.php?p=3833628) since it seems more appropriate there, for now, and I don't want to go too far off-topic here.

Misc. other stuff:

To see what model series your PS controller is, just flip it over and look for it listed somewhere (in very small text) on the back.
Everything I've read says that you can/should safely hack off the rumble motors from the PCB altogether.
If you aren't solder-phobic, some of the PS1 pads are considered easy hacks. For example, here's the PS1 H-Series (http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b160/shoobert/ps1DSHseries.jpg). Couldn't be much simpler, could it?


Excellent stuff, thanks :)

[Green]

Yeah...but if you use what left of the terminal ribbon....its a very solid fit :D
Yeah, but I can't get both of them in at the same time.

[WKDCLWN]

Ya know Joe, one of these days you should get a kick ass avatar. Hope things are going good for ya.