Super Street Figher 2 HD: The new Capcom game for SF's 20th anniversary?

[gamespy]

From all the things we have heard, most kept this thought that at around Street Fighter's 20th anniversary which will be in 2008, Capcom will have some sort of surprise for us. Many speculated that it would be the infamous Street Fighter 4.

Although yet again, another Street Fighter 2 game will be coming out and not a Street Fighter 3 update, I suppose it could turn out well.

Capcom remaking the game certainly has my thoughts on if they are indeed celebrating Street Fighter's 20th anniversary with this game as 2008 is less than a year from now.

The only qualm I have with this is that it's Street Fighter ONE's 20th anniversary. Super Street Fighter 2 Turbo's will be sometime from now.

What do you think?

[oohappytofuoo]

for the 20th, im just expecting more. but this wasn't what i had expected.. nor wanted

[Marty]

I think Capcom are overly lazy and abuse the loyal fans they've developed over the years through SF.

So yeah, I think it probably is the 20th anniversary game.

[Hol Horse]

i hope that's not the case. SSF2THD should be just an appetizer for what's coming, and nothing more. Please Capcom don't let us down this time like you did with the 15th anniversary (can't believe that 5 years have already passed!)

[goodm0urning]

I think Capcom are overly lazy and abuse the loyal fans they've developed over the years through SF.Bullshit. Capcom, like anybody, is in the business to make money. If there isn't money in it, they're not going to do it, and by all accounts, there isn't money in producing a 100% brand new Street Fighter game at this point.

The "loyal fans" line cracks me up though. Like they owe you anything for buying their product. Econ 101: you pay money, you get game. They're not indebted to you for buying it anymore than you are to them for selling it.

[Eduardo24]

Meh, I know people are going to disagree with me, but I am happy with HD Remix. What do you guys expected, Street Fighter 4? This works for me, because I do like ST better than A3 or 3rd Strike.

[Demon Dash]

That reminds me, this is probably the thing they "had in store," like stated in that interview...

[SweetJohnnyV]

ST HD is coming out this year, not next. That tells me that there will be something new next year for the 20th anniversary. If you couple that with the fact that they're making a new SF movie, then I think all signs point to them finally making a SF4. Bet it!

[Superking]

ST HD is coming out this year, not next. That tells me that there will be something new next year for the 20th anniversary. If you couple that with the fact that they're making a new SF movie, then I think all signs point to them finally making a SF4. Bet it!

Umm, isn't this year the 20th anniversary of SF? SF1 came out in 1987 IIRC.

[Kayin]

That and SF4 is NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN.

Goddamn fanboys.

[MannyKal]

Bullshit. Capcom, like anybody, is in the business to make money. If there isn't money in it, they're not going to do it, and by all accounts, there isn't money in producing a 100% brand new Street Fighter game at this point.

The "loyal fans" line cracks me up though. Like they owe you anything for buying their product. Econ 101: you pay money, you get game. They're not indebted to you for buying it anymore than you are to them for selling it.

Capcom is indeed businees to make money.

All the recent rehashing is most likely for two reasons:

1) to make even MORE money off the old games. All the old classics have been released and rereleased (we've already extablished capcom likes to make money, and this is an easy and proficient way)

2) all the rehashing is an excellent way to build up Street Fighter word of mouth. Possibly leading to free publiciity/hype for a true sequel?

Anytime any SF game is mentioned as being rereleased, etc, it makes mainstream gaming news. Older fans of the series are getting "sucked" in again, while new gamers are being exposed to the series for a first time.

The time is more or less ripe for a true sequel, if one is in the works at all.

Sometimes the fanboy in me just gets the better of me. I dont expect a sequel, but I admit I want one. :sad:

[polarity]

i think this isnt threadworthy

[Doctor Shaft]

Even thoug this is just another re-release of a game that they've already re-released, in different formats and for different consoles about 10 times, I think it is still kind of interesting that they're claiming the "HD" format is going to rival, if not surpass, Guilty Gear's own sprites.

At least that's what the interviewees were claiming in the article that they had posted up at 1up.com. Unless my eyes were deceiving me.

So I guess that is the most interesting thing about this re-release. They say it will play exactly like Super Turbo, so the game isn't going to be different by any means from the original. But they're claiming that the artwork/sprite work is going to surpass an already popular modern game.

Why go through that much effort in this re-release. Redrawing sprites and such is one thing. Pushing the limits to surpass a game that gets constant updates and holds a consistent fan-base? Why?

I know the baseline answer is "money," but perhaps they're setting themselves up for a test drive. SF4? Nah, probably not. But perhaps they're testing the waters for something later. Just to see if they have an audience and a market.

[Rioting Soul]

Anybody remember October 2005?

[platinum_pinoy]

The irony involved in the making of SF: HD is just too damn funny. Capcom made new games with old sprites and people bitched. Now, Capcom has an old game with new sprites, and people still bitch.

[Lazy Foo']

The irony involved in the making of SF: HD is just too damn funny. Capcom made new games with old sprites and people bitched. Now, Capcom has an old game with new sprites, and people still bitch.

Mainly because people want new games with new sprites.

[tsoteddy]

I just want to see if there is a street fighter 4 and if it comes out what updtaes will it have to improve the gameplay form 3 :wtf: , that is it is just perfected, sprite perfect.

[Kamui]

I think people are missing the bigger picture here. Look at the events as of late. The success of the comic book, the announcement of a new live action movie, Hyper Fighting XBOX 360's success, and now HD ST...? It seems like Capcom is testing the waters and preparing for things to come. What we're seeing now has much more validity than the random rumors we've heard before.

I would rather not be disappointed yet again, but lets be reasonable, there's still hope.

[MannyKal]

I think people are missing the bigger picture here. Look at the events as of late. The success of the comic book, the announcement of a new live action movie, Hyper Fighting XBOX 360's success, and now HD ST...? It seems like Capcom is testing the waters and preparing for things to come. What we're seeing now has much more validity than the random rumors we've heard before.

I would rather not be disappointed yet again, but lets be reasonable, there's still hope.

exactly my reasoning.

I wouldnt expect 2D though....:\

[Darklightjg1]

I think it's a wise choice rather than jumping the gun and taking the risk of developing a costly game that might not make enough back. Remember, SF3 wasn't truly recognized and appreciated until years later and I don't think anyone would desire to see a repeat of that.

It appears these remakes of the older games in "HD2D" is the testing grounds for a potential newer SF. (This is probably nothing new to most of us though since the announcement was made).

Christian Svenson addressed my question(s) concerning it here (http://www.capcom.com/BBS/showpost.php?p=233392&postcount=142).

Based off of what I read so far from interviews and whatnot, I'd venture a guess that if they were planning to develop a new SF or a sequel, they think that "HD2D" could be the ideal way to approach (now who here is against that?). However, it is HIGHLY dependent on the success of these two games. So despite it essentially being another rerelease, please be ready to show your support at least one last time if you want a brighter future for SF. It's all or nothin'. Go for broke!

[Grits'N'Gravy]

On another note, I'm really happy at having to pay 10-20 bucks every 2 years to play Super Turbo.

(Classics Collection, DC, AE, CCC2 and now this... FANTASTIC)

Maybe in 2010 they'll release a new version of 3S that replaces the music and makes Shin Akuma playable so that I can spend another 20 bucks on old shit.

[SuicidalGrandpa]

I think it's a wise choice rather than jumping the gun and taking the risk of developing a costly game that might not make enough back. Remember, SF3 wasn't truly recognized and appreciated until years later and I don't think anyone would desire to see a repeat of that.

It appears these remakes of the older games in "HD2D" is the testing grounds for a potential newer SF. (This is probably nothing new to most of us though since the announcement was made).

I was thinkin' the same thing...

[MagnetGenocide]

I want 3s in HD!!!!!!

[Marty]

Bullshit. Capcom, like anybody, is in the business to make money. If there isn't money in it, they're not going to do it, and by all accounts, there isn't money in producing a 100% brand new Street Fighter game at this point.

So, instead of doing any real work, they re-hash the SF2 series (point 1: lazy). If that wasn't enough, they build up hype with statements concerning the 20th anniversary knowing full well that people don't want ANOTHER SF2 (point 2: abusive).

The "loyal fans" line cracks me up though. Like they owe you anything for buying their product. Econ 101: you pay money, you get game. They're not indebted to you for buying it anymore than you are to them for selling it.

"Loyal fans" as a line isn't meant to mean that they owe us anything, and I didn't suggest that it did. The fact of the matter is that we are loyal fans, and we are getting the shaft, regardless of whether it's an entirely safe business strategy to do otherwise.

[goodm0urning]

So, instead of doing any real workwhich costs more money than they can possibly make back at this point

they re-hash the SF2 series which enables them to keep the series viable, instead of blowing money on a doomed project or just letting the series die altogether.


If that wasn't enough, they build up hype with statements concerning the 20th anniversary knowing full well that people don't want ANOTHER SF2If you jump to conclusions when Capcom says they're planning on something, that is entirely your fault--especially when you know for a fact that SF4 is about as likely as growing a dick out of your forehead.

"Loyal fans" as a line isn't meant to mean that they owe us anything, and I didn't suggest that it did.When you equate rehashing old product with abuse, you are claiming that they owe you more than what you're getting. But that's the thing: you are talking like Capcom is forcing something upon you. That's what abuse means. Does anybody from Capcom put a gun to your head and force you to buy anything?

You're using the same argument as retarded fans who constantly bitch about George Lucas, even though they're the ones who are buying every god damn scrap of toilet paper with the Star Wars logo on it.

The fact of the matter is that we are loyal fans, and we are getting the shaft, regardless of whether it's an entirely safe business strategy to do otherwise.You're not getting the shaft. If you pay money to buy what you believe is an inferior product, then it's your fault that you're out $20 or whatever. If you don't pay money, then no harm, no foul.

[Obliterate]

I'd rather have a rehash of a game that is good then a sequel to that piece of shit Capcom Fighting Evolution. I won't buy it, cause 1. I don't have an Xbox 360, and 2. I don't have the proper internet connection even if I did have one.

[spudlyff8fan]

Capcom Fighting Evolution 2 would be awesome. If it wasn't just a cut/paste job of a buncha other fighting games. If they actually made CFE with slick new sprites and actually put effort into balancing and tweaking the game (lol, like Capcom would do that), then it'd prolly be a hardcore game.

[Marty]

stuff

I'll summarise my argument to save time:

- No one knows whether SFIV would turn a profit or not, and to suggest that it would is a) besides the point, and b) arrogant.
- Abuse does not mean forcing something on something.
- When I say abuse, I don't refer to net gain or loss of funds.
- Capcom picks up a healthy amount of money from SF2 and they aren't rewarding customer patronage. (i.e. Abusing it's fan base. You know how a fighting game character might ABUSE a move, yeah? Like that.)
- I appreciate that Capcom isn't required to do shit for us, but it doesn't stop it from being grossly unbalanced FROM A SOCIAL STANDPOINT.

[orka]

capcom is the past

[Obliterate]

Yeah CFE is a good idea, and would be a good game, but so would 50 other 2d games that suck ass due to lazy ass production (IE cut and paste jobs). If Capcom does release SF4 at some point and its good of course I'll play it, but if they don't and let their 2d fighters die then so be it. I can't force someone to care about their own product, especially when Sammy and SNK have descent games coming out. I just wish Sammy wasn't catching the Capcom syndrome of releasing an update every couple of months.

[goodm0urning]

- I appreciate that Capcom isn't required to do shit for us, but it doesn't stop it from being grossly unbalanced FROM A SOCIAL STANDPOINT.Are you seriously saying that Capcom has some kind of social responsibility to create a game that they have already decided would cost them too much to make?

[Marty]

Responsibility is too strong a word. It's vulgar for them to not, given how much SF2 still makes for them.

The mind still boggles though at how they've concluded that a new game for the SF series would cost them too much to make.

[orka]

it's kind of like people defending michael jackson

people like to cling onto the past



not like i ever thought michael jackson was great... but you get the point

[King9999]

I'm calling it now: Street Fighter 4 will be the 20th anniversary game.

[oopsIdiditagain]

blow up chun li sex doll for 20th anniversary please

[goodm0urning]

Responsibility is too strong a word. It's vulgar for them to not, given how much SF2 still makes for them.

The mind still boggles though at how they've concluded that a new game for the SF series would cost them too much to make.I suppose I'll have to agree to disagree, since you seem to be convinced that Street Fighter is still the same cash cow it used to be and that anybody besides the waning hardcore fanbase would buy SFIV.

Honestly, it isn't as if I wouldn't like for there to be an SFIV. I'd be all over it like Jared Fogle on a sub sandwich. I just think it's foolish for everybody to get their hopes up every time Capcom says they're planning something even remotely Street Fighter related. They're just setting themselves up for a disappointment.

[Henaki]

I'm calling it now: Street Fighter 4 will be the 20th anniversary game.

I'm calling it now: Street Fighter The Movie 2 The Game Based on Street Fighter The Movie 2 Starring Chun-Li will be the 20th anniversary game.

[Taskmaster]

I suppose I'll have to agree to disagree, since you seem to be convinced that Street Fighter is still the same cash cow it used to be and that anybody besides the waning hardcore fanbase would buy SFIV.


How much do you think Capcom has made on SFII by now? Let alone all the othet SF games or related series. Or the ports.

More then enough. SF4 isn't too much to ask for.

EDIT: Calling it now: Absolutely nothing of significance will be done for the 20th Anniversary. Another compilation at best.

[Gasp]

street fighter the sandwich would make me happy

[Catholic Light]

EDIT: Calling it now: Absolutely nothing of significance will be done for the 20th Anniversary. Another compilation at best.

prediction: sf3 anthology --- NG,2I,3s for 360/ps3/wii.

Since hf and st will be on xbla, and they recently released alpha anthology for ps2, im sure that will be the compilation. Bank on it.

questions: Sf 1 came out in 1987 in japan, and in 1988 in US?
Also, wasnt there like an official report of there being a Chun li centric SF movie released next year, or was that fake?

[oopsIdiditagain]

I'm waiting for the sf anthology of anthologies

all the greatest sf anthologies in one brand new anthology

[DJTPC]

The only good thing they can do for 20th anniversary is a sequel to SF:The Movie

[Bunkei]

If any of us care about the Street Fighter series, then we would buy this game. It sort of befuddles me how people are so blind to the big picture. As stated before, Capcom is "testing" the waters since the runaway success of Street Fighter Hyper Fighting on XBLA. Fair or not, this is a business people, they cannot and will not simply make a new SF game just for us fans.

We can do one of two things:

1) We can totally ignore this upcoming release, and send a message to Capcom that the Street Fighter series should remain dead with the exception of the occasional compilation disc.

2) We can all band together and show support (via their message board and by purchasing the game), and show that there just *might* be a market for an entirely new Street Fighter game.

I'm choosing #2, hence I will buy this game when it comes out even though I don't even have an X360, and if it's available online only, then I will have my brother purchase it and reimburse him. I will also give a glowing review of the game, with some suggestions for improvement on the Capcom BBS.

This sounds like a good topic for the next show ...

[Darklightjg1]

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Good shit!
:tup:

[goodm0urning]

More then enough. SF4 isn't too much to ask for.Good god, not another one. You people do realize that they don't just pull these games out of their asses and sell them, right? It does cost a lot of money to make them... you know that, right?

[DongHwan]

Good god, not another one. You people do realize that they don't just pull these games out of their asses and sell them, right? It does cost a lot of money to make them... you know that, right?

well i know for a fact you know nothing of how much cash ST franchise reels in or could reel in. Neither do i. Saying capcom wouldn't invest in a streetfighter game simply because it is not financially viable is something that is totally built around your personal inductive reasoning, which is not supported by any statistical facts other than that you accumulate through your own observations.

Someone saying SF4 is in the makes because it will be a financial success has as much validity as someone who claims it won't be financially successful. basically neither holds any validity.

[goodm0urning]

well i know for a fact you know nothing of how much cash ST franchise reels in or could reel in. Neither do i. Saying capcom wouldn't invest in a streetfighter game simply because it is not financially viable is something that is totally built around your personal inductive reasoning, which is not supported by any statistical facts other than that you accumulate through your own observations.Au contraire. There is one observation here that matters: Capcom has not made the game.

If SF4 were commercially enticing for Capcom to make, they would have done it by now. It has been ten years since the debut of Street Fighter III. In game industry time, ten years might as well be fifty years. (Remember how long it took for them to make SFIII? The old-timers will know what I mean. Well, that was only five years between SFII and SFIII.)

I will agree with you that it does take a little bit of deductive reasoning to reach my conclusion.:

* If Capcom thought the game would make enough money for the project to be worthwhile, they would have made it.

* Capcom hasn't made it, therefore it is most likely that they don't believe it would make enough money to be worthwhile.

To me, that's about as simple as 2+2=4, but feel free to continue believing that Capcom is just sitting on a giant pile of money, laughing as they continue to force remake after remake of SFII upon you. It ultimately makes no difference to me what you do or don't believe. However, I will remind you that Capcom is a business, and whether or not they can turn a profit is, above all else, what governs the stuff they make and the stuff they don't.

[SupraFist]

The way I see it, Capcom needs to make as much profit as they can off the SF franchise. People keep proving over and over again that Street Fighter is still profitable. They might as well keep cashing out, and when people stop buying, then they can put even more money into the next series.

Then they can then use all that money they made to make an even better game, and then milk that for all its worth. And if it is good, then it would make sense for them to port it to the next consoles and repeat the cycle again till whatever time. Just look at Final Fantasy VII. Samething there.

From a capitalist standpoint, goodjob to Capcom on making their money. They have nice deep pockets... and I know everybody here wish they have deep pockets like them.

[polarity]

capcom is the past

yea anime fighter is the future :confused:

[Phoenix Wright]

This is capcom testing waters alright. Digital Distribution will keep 2D fighters alive due to the fact that capcom now spends less money distributing the game.

[TS]

The mind still boggles though at how they've concluded that a new game for the SF series would cost them too much to make.

Do you realize that SF3 was a financial failure?

[power333]

Responsibility is too strong a word. It's vulgar for them to not, given how much SF2 still makes for them.

The mind still boggles though at how they've concluded that a new game for the SF series would cost them too much to make.

Yeah, to hell with charity. Lets everybody throw our money away making games for you :rolleyes:

BTW, they concluded it (or not) by doing extensive marketing research and financial calculations, and weighting it against all other possible ways of using their resources in an efficient manner. Maybe you could run your own business, throwing all business
data out and listening to Internet fanboys instead

[power333]

I will agree with you that it does take a little bit of deductive reasoning to reach my conclusion.:

* If Capcom thought the game would make enough money for the project to be worthwhile, they would have made it.

* Capcom hasn't made it, therefore it is most likely that they don't believe it would make enough money to be worthwhile.




Thats stupid too. Big companies are not like snack bars. If Capcom has project A and project B, and project A will maximize the use of their resources, project A will be made first. This does not mean that project B wil not b made. Maybe project B is beter than project C and, if no superior project appears, it can be made, and this happens all the time in most industries.

By your reasoning, there will never be any new game, or a new Indiana Jones movie (they would have made it like ten years ago, right?)

[Marty]

Do you realize that SF3 was a financial failure?

That's beyond it's appeal as a game. Namco has made, and continues to make games every 2-3 years, and they make LARGE amounts of money from them continuously, SF3's "failure" was due to other factors.

Also, Whether something would turn a profit is beyond the scope of whether something could be made with current funds (regardless of how stupid selling something at a loss would be, you're missing the distinction). Personally I don't see any reason a new SF game couldn't sell as well as a new Tekken game, if not more so.

Why hasn't it been done? At least as far as I see it. It's easier to make SF2 games. In mathematics, if you know of two ways, one long and one short, to get to the same answer, you don't try and use the long method, do you?

[/beating dead horse]

[goodm0urning]

Thats stupid too. Big companies are not like snack bars. If Capcom has project A and project B, and project A will maximize the use of their resources, project A will be made first. This does not mean that project B wil not b made. Maybe project B is beter than project C and, if no superior project appears, it can be made, and this happens all the time in most industries.So ten years isn't enough time for them to get to project B? Ten years, as in, twice the amount of time it took for them to get from II to III?

[Sonic_Reaper]

Time shouldn't really be a factor here. Game companies could crank out games every year if they really wanted to. The problem would be that due to the rushed nature of the development cycle, the games would probably be crap--that or good, but half-finished or extremely short.

It took five years for SFIII to come out because the game has animated movie like frames. Were you expecting SFIII to come out a year or two after any of the SFII games? HELL-TO-THE-NAW. Animation takes time and money. That's the problem with 2D games today. The time required to churn out decent quality animation is costly. 3D is just easier, and considered by 99% of the gaming population to be "prettier" (whatever that means). So whether SFIII came out 5 years after SFII, or 20 years, it wouldn't make a difference, because it wasn't like Capcom was sitting on their ass during that time, they were animating all those damn frames.

[goodm0urning]

Time shouldn't really be a factor here. Game companies could crank out games every year if they really wanted to. The problem would be that due to the rushed nature of the development cycle, the games would probably be crap--that or good, but half-finished or extremely short.

It took five years for SFIII to come out because the game has animated movie like frames. Were you expecting SFIII to come out a year or two after any of the SFII games? HELL-TO-THE-NAW. Animation takes time and money. That's the problem with 2D games today. The time required to churn out decent quality animation is costly. 3D is just easier, and considered by 99% of the gaming population to be "prettier" (whatever that means). So whether SFIII came out 5 years after SFII, or 20 years, it wouldn't make a difference, because it wasn't like Capcom was sitting on their ass during that time, they were animating all those damn frames.It didn't take them five years to animate Street Fighter III. It might have taken them five years to get the hardware to the level they wanted it to be at, but the actual animation process does not take that long. And by the turn of the millenium, hardware was really at a point where they could do just about anything, 2D-wise. So they're not waiting for the technology to improve.

Furthermore, 2D was dying when III came out, and it is just about dead at this point. Time is most definitely a factor. If you want to make the most money off of something as possible, you release it when it's timely. Ever wonder why most places don't sell movies on VHS tapes anymore?

[SwmmrManShen]

the point about 2D is very true, remember the buy.com tourny fiasco with the TVs? making/endorsing a 2D fighter doesnt look profitable anymore beyond releasing currently made ones for cheap digitally

[Bunkei]

That's beyond it's appeal as a game. Namco has made, and continues to make games every 2-3 years, and they make LARGE amounts of money from them continuously, SF3's "failure" was due to other factors.

Also, Whether something would turn a profit is beyond the scope of whether something could be made with current funds (regardless of how stupid selling something at a loss would be, you're missing the distinction). Personally I don't see any reason a new SF game couldn't sell as well as a new Tekken game, if not more so.

Why hasn't it been done? At least as far as I see it. It's easier to make SF2 games. In mathematics, if you know of two ways, one long and one short, to get to the same answer, you don't try and use the long method, do you?

[/beating dead horse]

Cool, so that means I can count on you to purchase SSF2T Remix when it comes out right?

Also, I do question your reasoning that a product whether or not turns a profit influences current use of funds. I can't think of any company that would use current funds in any venture that doesn't ultimately result in profitability--either short term or long term.

[MrBlank]

exactly my reasoning.

I wouldnt expect 2D though....:\


but cel-shaded.... what if they did....

[tsoteddy]

Any updates on this?

[Ansatsuken-TKD]

I heard that ST HD is coming out the last day of the year...

[SaBrE]

theres already a thread that is stickied

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