Virtua Fighter or Tekken

[Chunk]

I think Virtua fighter is the worse 3-d game ever........i wanted to know if im wrong?
TEKKEN is ok but not great.

[SaBrE]

vf is regarded as the most technical and most difficult fighting game ever made. even people that dont play the game dont argue it. the game gets taken care of so well by sega, the games are incredibly balanced, and they pay attention to the massive vf scene in the eastern hemisphere and fix anything deemed slighty fucked up, and does some truly amazing things technologically in the arcades (vf.net and vf.tv).

bottom line, you have to spend an insane amount of time with the game to even understand very little of the game. the game takes a lot of dedication to just be a below par mediocre player lol

[oyg]

Oh I dunnoo..
Bubsy 3d has to be the shittiest 3-d game evar.

[SwmmrManShen]

playing VF requires 2 things, dedication, and dedication. It is so deep and complex it makes games like 3S look like shaq fu

tekken is boatloads of fun, is accesible, and has some serious depth.

I find tekken more fun, but respect VF for the monster of a game that it is

[YellowS4]

Oh I dunnoo..
Bubsy 3d has to be the shittiest 3-d game evar.

Nah, that Sonic Shadow game or wtvr that shit was.

VF > Tekken though.

[Superking]

Onion rings for top tier.

[Dark Geese]

Oh no NOT Another one of these flamebait threads....:sweat:

[aktham]

Tekken

[Valaris]

Oh no NOT Another one of these flamebait threads....:sweat:

They're popping up faster than herpes :wasted:

[The Illuminati]

Oh no NOT Another one of these flamebait threads....:sweat:

It doesn't have to be. . .

[CarpeNoctumXIII]

It doesn't have to be. . .

Who are you kidding? This is SRK. It WILL become a flame faster then you think. But, to stay on point, it all depends on what you look for in a fighter. I like my games as deep and balanced as they can get, and my friend, VF fits the bill and then some. This isn't to say that Tekken isn't a pretty deep game anything(even balanced it sure as hell isn't), it's just not in the same league.

[Grits'N'Gravy]

Tekken looks lame as fuck. One guy at evo east finals, one hit lead to the same combo... lather rinse repeat.

Oh wait, that's basically geneijin and rom. Uhh... every game played at a high level is pretty good, every player just has personal bias.

[Jida]

Oh you son of a bitch...

[final_cut]

VF5 is my fav.

[The Illuminati]

VF%, but Tekken is not too far behind.

[Dandy J]

i also like vf percent sign

[jae hoon]

Virtua Tekken ftw

[woof]

vf percent signs ok......

[deathcritis1]

i,m going to say this and I don't care what people think : to me Tekken players say that Virtual Fighter is the worst 3d fighting game because they say it's to hard to learn and that it's slow. In my view Tekken is the easiest of the two because when you can execute combos just by holding back and hitting 3,4 all the time ( yall know who i,m talkin about) then you know something's wrong. Then about the speed if sega and namco made a Tekken Vs Virtual Fighter game Virtual Fighter would win hands down just cause of the speed.

[Henaki]

vf percent signs ok......

i prefer street fighter: asterisk

[Fir]

I play both, but I like VF more. Especially VF2 and 5...

[spudlyff8fan]

Mortal Kombat Armageddon pwnz all.

I jest, of course...

Or do I?

Yes...I do.

::cough::

[Kayin]

i prefer street fighter: asterisk

Super SF@ Turbo is better.

[final_cut]

i prefer street fighter: asterisk

Yeah. It blows MK# outta the water.


I make that typo all the time. VF%. lol

[The Illuminati]

Wow, I just noticed that, looks like I started something.

[pirateriemannn]

Virtua Fighter 4 is THE BEST 3d fighter period. Way better than Tekken IMO. It's also the most balanced fighting game around imo. I would say Virtua Fighter is one of the best fighting games. Its definitly my favorite 3d fighter. VF flows much better than Tekken to me. I play them both extensively. Both games are really good, and I like them both very much, but I enjoy VF more and always have. It could just come down to a matter of personal opinions.

[Corner-Trap]

Honestly, unless you have serious knowledge of both games, I don't think your opinion can be considered just. So unless you know what you're talking about when it comes to in depth strategies for those games, then I don't think you should be responding to this thread since all you're doing is giving your overally biased viewpoint, and thus lead to a flame war.

But of course this is SRK, and my words mean shit to y'all. So you'll continue to post no matter what I say. Let the flame war begin.

EDIT:

This post is especially directed towards all the VF scrubs. Who keep spouting out shit, that are just complete lies about Tekken.

[Fir]

Tekken 2 was a god-send. It's one of the better Tekkens but man VF changed 3D fighting. It takes a lot more skill to compete too...

[Q.C.PUNCH]

VF is nice, but I just don't have the time to get all deep into it. tekken just seems more toward having fun then anything else. And that's just fine with me.

[Pablo_the_Mex]

I got decent at tekken, meaning able to beat really good players after a few matches, in around 5 days of practice and learning the game. I played vf4 evo for about 2 months trying to get good and I still sucked.

That is just me, I still enjoy both games. I get more tekken comp at the arcades I frequent.

[The Illuminati]

Honestly, unless you have serious knowledge of both games, I don't think your opinion can be considered just. So unless you know what you're talking about when it comes to in depth strategies for those games, then I don't think you should be responding to this thread since all you're doing is giving your overally biased viewpoint, and thus lead to a flame war.

But of course this is SRK, and my words mean shit to y'all. So you'll continue to post no matter what I say. Let the flame war begin.

EDIT:

This post is especially directed towards all the VF scrubs. Who keep spouting out shit, that are just complete lies about Tekken.


I don't see what relevance does having deep knowledge of both games have to do with people's prefrence's.

[goodm0urning]

Comparing Tekken to VF is like comparing Checkers to Chess. But hey, you can be a really big fan of Checkers; it don't matter.

None of this matters.

I got decent at tekken, meaning able to beat really good players after a few matches, in around 5 days of practice and learning the game. I played vf4 evo for about 2 months trying to get good and I still got clobbered by a small child. I thought I would fix that for you.

[Dandy J]

Wow, I just noticed that, looks like I started something.
remember this day men

[oopsIdiditagain]

I prefer vf5,
I don't like the way you can juggle people across the screen for 1/2 an hour in tekken.

[Pablo_the_Mex]

I thought I would fix that for you.

LOL yes I did, but the hori fighting stick was all broken and my buttons would stick. I swear!!

[Corner-Trap]

I got decent at tekken, meaning able to beat really good players after a few matches, in around 5 days of practice and learning the game. I played vf4 evo for about 2 months trying to get good and I still sucked.

That is just me, I still enjoy both games. I get more tekken comp at the arcades I frequent.

Guess what, you weren't playing against "really good" players.

I prefer vf5,
I don't like the way you can juggle people across the screen for 1/2 an hour in tekken.

An example of what I meant by my first post.

[12:51]

Virtua Fighter is hella competitive when there is competition around (which happens to be almost never in the US). The game is deep, REAL deep. Mistakes like a whiffed crouching jab make all the difference between a pro and a noob. There's no overpowered beast here either, everything has a counter strat. Basically, i like to consider it as the 3D version of ST. The difference here is that there isn't necessarily counter character match ups (there are, but not so much) as that each character has there own answers for each strat. I think overall, VF really forces you to concentrate more on matches. Subtle mistakes can mean the difference in the game, and VF is good at rewarding players that take adv.

Tekken is similar to VF in that noticing little mistakes like whiffing a jab makes all the difference between a skilled player and a noob. The big difference here is that Tekken rewards a bit too much in comparison. You can literally go for a 7 damage low and get crushed by a hopkick for half-life thanks to the games "crush" system. This is Tekken's one biggest fault that keeps it from achieving greatness, it's reward system is a bit imbalanced. Vf generally rewards you with something like a strong elbow or throw attempt while tekken rewards you with full juggles, and that's where Tekken's main problem is imo. Otherwise, it has everything it needs to be a competitive game. It's almost identical to VF in every other aspect imo. In the end, it's still a solid game. Anyone who questions its randomness should realize that the top players of the game are still placing at the top. The game isn't completely random, and there is a ton of skill that's involved with the game. It is 10x more friendly then VF however, but that's the draw of Tekken that keeps it popular worldwide.

Overall, i personally lean towards VF in preference. It's gameplay is so evolved and when you find good competition for the game, its incredibly addicting. Matches are fast and intense, and it really puts your skills to the test every single time.

However, i do love me some Tekken, i'll play anyone in it any day of the week. :wgrin:

[The Granby]

I wish people would actually play VF instead of just saying it's deep. If all the dudes who would always back up VF concerning it's depth would just stop posting and play the game we'd have less problems with VF as it is in America.


There really was no reason for VF4:EVO to fail, since it had EVERYTHING you could possibly ask out of a fighting game.

#1 Easy to get platform
#2 Easy to get sticks
#3 Cheap price (came out under $20)
#4 The BEST f'ing Training mode ever made, hands down, unbeatable
#5 Fairly balanced
#6 Great diversity in character selection for the technical, easy execution, mind game heavy, or fancy player.
#7 Best single player Quest mode that Tekken tried to copy and failed miserably
#8 Was a consistent port with no problems
#9 It was at EVO when people were playing TEKKEN 4 for christs sake
#10 It was probably the last time Sega AM2 cared for North America, they included high level match videos of top players on the disc, hell if you beat Quest mode you get a beautifully done montage of the Japanese KS tournament. HOW CAN YOU NOT BE HYPED OR AT LEAST MOVED BY THE WORK PUT INTO THIS GAME!?!?


10 reasons why VF4EVO shouldn't have failed. It had NONE of the problems of every fighting game played competitively or even attempting to try to be competitive in North America. It IMPROVED on everything wrong with the fighting game genre at that time.

Results: Once again North Americans would rather play Tekken..... and of all Tekken's FREAKING TEKKEN 4!!!

Why? WHY? WHY!?!??!?! How can you logically choose Tekken 4 over Virtua Fighter 4 EVO? Tekken Tag I guess I can understand but that was going on a down hill when VF4EVO came out. Hell people were playing SC2 more, which also makes no damn sense considering how many people were bashing that game as well.

Even now as we look back, Tekken 4 and Tekken 5.0 both sucked pretty bad. You have a few people that will defend it but for the most part it's generally agreed on it sucked. Soul Calibur 2 was hated on when it was out and people praised Soul Calibur 3 till they figured out it was a un-beta tested glitch ridden nightmare. You had a few that went back to SC2 and defended it but for the most part majority agreed that both kind of sucked.

So looking back, we can conclude that Virtua Fighter 4 Evolution basically got shafted by American gamers. It was a beautiful fucking game in a time where bias and game fanboyish for "the cooler/easier looking series" was rampant.

VF5 is out and for the most part people aren't really playing it much or talking about strategy or anything for that matter. For the millions of times I post about VFDC, activity there is still very weak. I'm hoping on all the 360 buyers (me included, I travel to play on other peoples PS3's) that will come in when it comes out will get into that game, but that may be too late for EVOLUTION, which would mean VF not making it the next year and ONCE AGAIN getting shafted by American gamers.

[solidfox]

I wish people would actually play VF instead of just saying it's deep. If all the dudes who would always back up VF concerning it's depth would just stop posting and play the game we'd have less problems with VF as it is in America.


There really was no reason for VF4:EVO to fail, since it had EVERYTHING you could possibly ask out of a fighting game.

#1 Easy to get platform
#2 Easy to get sticks
#3 Cheap price (came out under $20)
#4 The BEST f'ing Training mode ever made, hands down, unbeatable
#5 Fairly balanced
#6 Great diversity in character selection for the technical, easy execution, mind game heavy, or fancy player.
#7 Best single player Quest mode that Tekken tried to copy and failed miserably
#8 Was a consistent port with no problems
#9 It was at EVO when people were playing TEKKEN 4 for christs sake
#10 It was probably the last time Sega AM2 cared for North America, they included high level match videos of top players on the disc, hell if you beat Quest mode you get a beautifully done montage of the Japanese KS tournament. HOW CAN YOU NOT BE HYPED OR AT LEAST MOVED BY THE WORK PUT INTO THIS GAME!?!?


10 reasons why VF4EVO shouldn't have failed. It had NONE of the problems of every fighting game played competitively or even attempting to try to be competitive in North America. It IMPROVED on everything wrong with the fighting game genre at that time.

Results: Once again North Americans would rather play Tekken..... and of all Tekken's FREAKING TEKKEN 4!!!

Why? WHY? WHY!?!??!?! How can you logically choose Tekken 4 over Virtua Fighter 4 EVO? Tekken Tag I guess I can understand but that was going on a down hill when VF4EVO came out. Hell people were playing SC2 more, which also makes no damn sense considering how many people were bashing that game as well.

Even now as we look back, Tekken 4 and Tekken 5.0 both sucked pretty bad. You have a few people that will defend it but for the most part it's generally agreed on it sucked. Soul Calibur 2 was hated on when it was out and people praised Soul Calibur 3 till they figured out it was a un-beta tested glitch ridden nightmare. You had a few that went back to SC2 and defended it but for the most part majority agreed that both kind of sucked.

So looking back, we can conclude that Virtua Fighter 4 Evolution basically got shafted by American gamers. It was a beautiful fucking game in a time where bias and game fanboyish for "the cooler/easier looking series" was rampant.

VF5 is out and for the most part people aren't really playing it much or talking about strategy or anything for that matter. For the millions of times I post about VFDC, activity there is still very weak. I'm hoping on all the 360 buyers (me included, I travel to play on other peoples PS3's) that will come in when it comes out will get into that game, but that may be too late for EVOLUTION, which would mean VF not making it the next year and ONCE AGAIN getting shafted by American gamers.
I couldn't agree more. But don't u see people the dude who made this thread obiously wants people to argue over this subject. I say we let this thread die. How many times has this matter been posted?:sweat:

[{PFH}-Lake]

I like VF games more just cause you can win with anyone, Vf4evo and I think VF5 are the most balanced games ever.

I gave up on tekken because tekken 4 I didnt want to deal with Jin, and then tekken 5 came out and I didnt feal like dealing with Steve and his infinite combo crap.

[subt-L]

Comparing Tekken to VF is like comparing Checkers to Chess. But hey, you can be a really big fan of Checkers; it don't matter.


where is this generalization coming from? tekken being equivalent to checkers?

vf is solid but tekken has deep gameplay off of the ground, setups off of juggles, and a throw game that isn't about completely guessing what a throw could be.

i'm not hating on vf, but people playing into "vf is the deepest game ever" should really sit down and play the game. vf is really easy to pick up depending on your character (you're not going to learn shun di or lei fei in a few days), and its really just learning matchups and situations. i don't see knowing when its preferable to sidestep and throw punish as being the deepest gameplay i've ever seen, and the fact that any blocked move leads into what is essentially an educated game of rock paper scissors.

i enjoy vf, and would play more if there was competition for it, but i think the community has assfucked itself by claiming its "the deepest game ever," and it scares off alot of potential players who don't want to get involved. people can't even deal with 3s chun li and they're convinced that 3s has the deepest 2-d fighting system out there. sure, tekken still has its scrubs who think pauls falling leaf/deathfist mixup is the best thing in the game, and that's why they play, but at least people play it instead of being scared off of it.

vf has alot of depth, but alot of that depth is knowing as many situations as possible and how to option out to get the best result. its a constant mind game of using advantages and disavantages and the ability to basically play rock paper scissors with options. i think the "deepest fighting game ever" tag is something people just say because its the status quo. you really can't be looked down on it, because who the fuck really plays the game deep enough to actually know if what they're saying is true. most people pick up the game, get bitch owned, walk away convinced that the game is crazy, and never play again. i think if vf community would stop all that shit, and promote the game better, then people would pick it up and see that it isn't as mind fucking as people would lead you to believe, and you'd see the vf community grow.

i enjoy vf, and would like more people to play, but i don't think people give tekken enough credit. there are people out there that would easily dominate you no matter how good you think you are in both games. just because tekken has juggles and a ground game doesn't mean that its a scrubby game. tekken, like vf, has alot that i love and hate about it, but vf players are few and far between.

[The Granby]

I would just like to say that the VF community (as in VFDC) does not advocate Virtua Fighter as "the deepest fighting game of all time" directly. Some players believe it but most do not go out of their way to spout it.

It is usually random dudes on forums and people who generally don't play the game and want to look good who spout it. Alot of players are trying to advertise VF5 as not as demanding for newer players while still offering newer depth a strategy in the totally revamped movement system and Offensive/Defensive moves.

[comoesa]

where is this generalization coming from? tekken being equivalent to checkers?

vf is solid but tekken has deep gameplay off of the ground, setups off of juggles, and a throw game that isn't about completely guessing what a throw could be.

i'm not hating on vf, but people playing into "vf is the deepest game ever" should really sit down and play the game. vf is really easy to pick up depending on your character (you're not going to learn shun di or lei fei in a few days), and its really just learning matchups and situations. i don't see knowing when its preferable to sidestep and throw punish as being the deepest gameplay i've ever seen, and the fact that any blocked move leads into what is essentially an educated game of rock paper scissors.

i enjoy vf, and would play more if there was competition for it, but i think the community has assfucked itself by claiming its "the deepest game ever," and it scares off alot of potential players who don't want to get involved. people can't even deal with 3s chun li and they're convinced that 3s has the deepest 2-d fighting system out there. sure, tekken still has its scrubs who think pauls falling leaf/deathfist mixup is the best thing in the game, and that's why they play, but at least people play it instead of being scared off of it.

vf has alot of depth, but alot of that depth is knowing as many situations as possible and how to option out to get the best result. its a constant mind game of using advantages and disavantages and the ability to basically play rock paper scissors with options. i think the "deepest fighting game ever" tag is something people just say because its the status quo. you really can't be looked down on it, because who the fuck really plays the game deep enough to actually know if what they're saying is true. most people pick up the game, get bitch owned, walk away convinced that the game is crazy, and never play again. i think if vf community would stop all that shit, and promote the game better, then people would pick it up and see that it isn't as mind fucking as people would lead you to believe, and you'd see the vf community grow.

i enjoy vf, and would like more people to play, but i don't think people give tekken enough credit. there are people out there that would easily dominate you no matter how good you think you are in both games. just because tekken has juggles and a ground game doesn't mean that its a scrubby game. tekken, like vf, has alot that i love and hate about it, but vf players are few and far between.


lol

Tekken master strategy
Set up launcher---->Juggle to wall------->Wall combo-----okizeme


well of course it not exactly like that but if you can at least that you are not a scrub..lol

lol you see why kuma isnt toptier

VF master Strategy
Manipulate advantage and disadvantage, this combined with mind games makes agreat player..


Overall about the same difficulty....just a prferene I like fair games...Some of tekkens techniques are wack/.\

[subt-L]

I would just like to say that the VF community (as in VFDC) does not advocate Virtua Fighter as "the deepest fighting game of all time" directly. Some players believe it but most do not go out of their way to spout it.

It is usually random dudes on forums and people who generally don't play the game and want to look good who spout it. Alot of players are trying to advertise VF5 as not as demanding for newer players while still offering newer depth a strategy in the totally revamped movement system and Offensive/Defensive moves.

that's good to hear. i've frequented vfdc for a while, and alot of that stuff doesn't go on there, but it goes on everywhere else. but i usually stay away from the general forums, so it would be hard for me to know what the hardcore think about that take.

as for comoesa, tekken has just as many mind games as vf. don't get it twisted. juggles are just combos. combos are in every game. i can crossup j.mk, c.short, c.short, c.short super with ken but that doesn't mean i can play ken for shit. i won't look scrubby, but if that's all i can do, anyone with an ounce of knowledge will know that i'm scrubby. cats who can just juggle are good think they're hot shit until they learn they can't get thier launchers off and get hurt for it in return.

[iori666]

lol

Tekken master strategy
Set up launcher---->Juggle to wall------->Wall combo-----okizeme


well of course it not exactly like that but if you can at least that you are not a scrub..lol

lol you see why kuma isnt toptier

VF master Strategy
Manipulate advantage and disadvantage, this combined with mind games makes agreat player..


Overall about the same difficulty....just a prferene I like fair games...Some of tekkens techniques are wack/.\

lol how about you quit both games?

Some comments here are so ridiculous.

[DS]

Honestly, unless you have serious knowledge of both games, I don't think your opinion can be considered just. So unless you know what you're talking about when it comes to in depth strategies for those games, then I don't think you should be responding to this thread since all you're doing is giving your overally biased viewpoint, and thus lead to a flame war.

Instead of saying stuff, how about contributing to the actual topic?


This post is especially directed towards all the VF scrubs. Who keep spouting out shit, that are just complete lies about Tekken.


:rolleyes:

Anyway, VF5 all the way. You can't argue the fact that the game is leagues beyond deeper than any other fighter on the planet. This is one of the few(if not the only) fighters that theory fighter works on because there's a counter to every counter in the game. There really is a move for every situation.

There is definitely no doubt that your main game in T5DR is juggles. You're gonna need at least 2 if you want to win. And it's not like you can't get good in T5DR. The window of opportunity for learning is way smaller compared to VF.

It's safe to say, though, that tiers don't make a difference in either game. T5DR works differently when it comes to tiers as opposed to VF where the game is infinitely balanced and whoring out Akira means almost nothing if you can't use him properly(but, hey, that's in all fighters). Basically, you're gonna find more tier whores in Tekken than in VF. Just look at it, someone as bottom tier as El Blaze can win against any of the top characters(Akira, Sarah, Jacky). Whereas in T5DR, Devil Jin means certain death. So yeah, I'll give both games that: their tier listing is just really a list and not a guideline(i.e. 3S).

Right now, I think of it as Goldilocks and the Three Bears:

DOA is too soft.

VF5 is too hard.

But, T5DR? It's just right.

And most people want to go with something more comfortable and offers a bit of everything without being too complex and without being too easy. But, that's my personal experience with these games.

[iori666]

I got decent at tekken, meaning able to beat really good players after a few matches, in around 5 days of practice and learning the game. I played vf4 evo for about 2 months trying to get good and I still sucked.

That is just me, I still enjoy both games. I get more tekken comp at the arcades I frequent.

really good players bother my eyes and I don't know what you mean by decent.


Just look at it, someone as bottom tier as El Blaze can win against any of the top characters(Akira, Sarah, Jacky). Whereas in T5DR, Devil Jin means certain death.

Care to explain depth of both games, when you make dumb comment like that?

thx

[subt-L]

Basically, you're gonna find more tier whores in Tekken than in VF. Just look at it, someone as bottom tier as El Blaze can win against any of the top characters(Akira, Sarah, Jacky). Whereas in T5DR, Devil Jin means certain death. i'm pretty sure none of those characters are top tier. i know shun's top, lei fei and eileen are up there. akiras fairly low and sarah and jacky are fairly middle.

and devil jin is certain death if your opponent is fucking ridiculous. he's comparable to shun di after a few drinks... he's hard to work with and requires a shit load of practice. with devil jin, you need to be ridiculous with his movements like his cd and cancels to be really dominant. he's got some gay shit, like his 1+2 break and being able to ws+2 punish like a bitch, but that's only going to get you so far. devil jin's top, but only with time invested. how many crazy good american devil jin's are there that completely dominate? 1 or 2 could be considered a really big threat, but there aren't any that are top picks to win a big tourney unless the cards fall perfectly.

[DS]

i'm pretty sure none of those characters are top tier. i know shun's top, lei fei and eileen are up there. akiras fairly low and sarah and jacky are fairly middle.

Yeah, I know Shun is one of those up there. One way or the other, El Blaze will usually have a bit of a tough time against a very good Sarah/Jacky/Akira player.

and devil jin is certain death if your opponent is fucking ridiculous. he's comparable to shun di after a few drinks... he's hard to work with and requires a shit load of practice. with devil jin, you need to be ridiculous with his movements like his cd and cancels to be really dominant. he's got some gay shit, like his 1+2 break and being able to ws+2 punish like a bitch, but that's only going to get you so far. devil jin's top, but only with time invested. how many crazy good american devil jin's are there that completely dominate? 1 or 2 could be considered a really big threat, but there aren't that are top picks to win a big tourney unless the cards fall perfectly.


Hmm....never thought of him as Shun. Which is weird because he does have weirder movement than the rest of the cast and most of his stuff is ridiculously hard to juggle. I've seen a few Devil Jin's at CF, but that's about it. Guess you're right about time having to be invested into DJ. =/

[JackTenrac!]

Fighting Layer.

...that went well.

[Hydra632]

In my view Tekken is the easiest of the two because when you can execute combos just by holding back and hitting 3,4 all the time ( yall know who i,m talkin about)

Actually I don't who you're talking about, please explain. For the record I love both series.

[Dandy J]

he's comparable to shun di after a few drinks... he's hard to work with and requires a shit load of practice.
Shun is one of the easiest characters to play, he gets away with a lot of stuff that doesn't require learning vf fundamentals.

[Saotome Kaneda]

Let's kill this now.