Stop doing this in combo videos

[polarity]

Okay, I'm not exactly a prolific combo video maker or anything, but I do consider myself to be a man of considerable aesthetic sagacity, and no longer can I stand idly by and let the horrendous examples of bad taste I see in so many combo videos pass me by.

Now, I know some of you guys probably don't really give a shit if your videos aren't pretty, and that's cool. If you just want to slap something together and get your combos out there, with little concern for how well-presented it is, I can respect that. What pisses me off to no end, though, is the abundance of videos in which it's painfully obvious that someone has put a lot of effort into using every trick they learned from Warezed Adobe Premier for Dummies, and yet the video STILL looks like shit. If you're gonna make the effort, why not make it look good?

So, with contributions from Dandy J and apoytwiu, I've compiled this list, "Top 9 Things Not to do in Combo Videos". I should note that my focus isn't the actual content of the videos (that's a whole other post), but rather the presentation. Some points are major annoyances, some are pretty trifling, but you should observe all of them.

1. Shitty music

I don't care if you love Ayumi Hamasaki, or Nightwish, or Dragonforce, or Linkin Park, or whatever the fuck raver DJs you listen to. Point is, j-pop, j-rock, cheese metal, nu metal, trance/rave etc. have been done to death in combo videos and I don't wanna hear it any more. It'd be ridiculous to expect every video to contain music I like, but Christ, at least switch it up a little.

2. Long intros

I watch a combo video to see combos, not 5 minutes of logos or whatever. This should be proportionate to the amount of actual combo time in the video, but generally I think anything over a minute is just unreasonable, and even that's pushing it.

3. Long credits

Seriously, fuck your ego. A credits list should generally be simple, nobody watching gives enough of a shit about you to warrant a flashy sequence for every single random scrub who performed a combo in your vid. Do you think anybody even watches that shit? Just scroll the names and get the fuck out.

4. Anime clips

Just... why? Why would you think anyone wants to see this shit in a combo video? It doesn't look cool, it doesn't accentuate the experience of the video in any way, all I get from it is the knowledge that you're not just a fighting game nerd but a Wapanese faggot as well. Please don't do this.

5. "Flashy" editing

"Flashy" is in quotes because the only people this shit looks "flashy" to are retarded kindergarteners. You know what I'm talking about; ugly-ass glittery shit flying all over the screen, random-ass overlays (generally used to credit the combo performer - that's what the credits are for, fuckface!), added hit effects, random filters, etc. It's fucking ugly, stop doing it.

6. Stupid sound management

Whether you like in-game sound with your vids is mostly a matter of personal preference, but if you choose to enable the sound, please keep it quiet. What's the point in including music if I can barely hear it because some underpaid Japanese voice actor is spewing shitty Engrish all over it? Always disable the in-game music, if you can't, don't have in-game sound at all. You aren't fucking Timbaland, and even if you were nobody would want to hear your 'Crawling'/'Is This True Love We're Making' remix.

7. Random variations in quality/volume

This kind of encompasses a few things. What I'm talking about is changing of sound levels/resolution/quality etc. between different clips in the same video. It just looks sloppy as fuck, and it's especially annoying when I turn up my speakers for one part of a video that's really quiet just to find the next part is REALLY LOUD. Don't do it.

8. Shitty text

If you're gonna have a fucking thesis at the beginning of your vid on how Nietzsche's thoughts on Morality relate to fighting games, at least spell check your shit, Jesus Christ. Actually, it'd be nice if you just wouldn't include any kind of quote or whatever that you think sounds "deep" or "cool", because while all that pseudo-philosophical bullshit The Matrix may have blown your neanderthal mind, those of us that aren't 15 year old Tool fans just find it laughable.

Also, can you PLEASE use some fucking decent fonts? I swear I've seen videos that use Arial and Times New Roman, for fuck's sake! That looks incredibly unprofessional. Use a font, size and color that is a) easily readable when overlayed on top of the game (seriously, I think some of you guys don't even watch your videos back when it comes to this) and b) makes your video look like a fucking video, not a Microsoft Word document.

9. Too much downtime

This is pretty much annoying in the same way that long intros are annoying. I want to watch a combo video, not whatever random crap you decided to squeeze in there (usually anime clips which we already addressed but sometimes random text or whatever). I appreciate that sometimes you need a break from the action, and I do like the little skits done in-game that some people do that showcase stuff that perhaps isn't technically impressive but just looks funny, because it doesn't disrupt the flow - you're still watching a game. Another thing that annoys me is when the characters are standing around doing nothing forever before/after a combo. It may seem like nitpicking, but it's just so easy to fix. You're already editing video, why not cut some of that shit out?

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That's that, I guess. Just so I don't come off sounding like a huge bitch, I'll say that I truly appreciate all the hard work that goes into making a combo video. My intent with this thread isn't to denigrate anyone's efforts, but to help channel those efforts so that that hard work can be better utilized in future. I think it's important to note that I'm not saying by any means that your vid needs to be bare-bones and vanilla. Little production tricks are cool and all, but they should add to the experience, not detract from it.

I'll close by posting some vids that I think are some of the best examples of the form. I may not think everything in them is perfect, but they come pretty fucking close:

Ode to the 2 Hit Combo (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6250136899025611201) - JChensor (Honestly this is pretty much the best combo video ever, he even makes the Times New Roman in the intro work somehow. The only thing I don't like about it is most of those scrolling backgrounds look pretty ugly/cheesy, IMO)
HSFZ Basic Combos (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JhhgMaG7hug) - Desk
Fun With CFE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sxgms8KQgwM) - JChensor, Majestros, Mopreme & Kamui
CvS2 Reversal Combo Exhibition (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vtDGtTGZ9Zg) - Majestros (now that i think about it this doesn't do much in the way of editing at all, but it's a great example of how to do a simple, clean video)
Memories of 2006 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G9Z-q5atjiA) - Laugh & Hail And Kill
Volume VIII (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYy9IGjA1Fg) - NKI

ok now flame away

[Digitalbooty]

I was looking for the CFE vid, thanks!

[Demon Dash]

All your bases are belong to us...

[felineki]

1. Shitty music

I don't care if you love Ayumi Hamasaki, or Nightwish, or Dragonforce, or Linkin Park, or whatever the fuck raver DJs you listen to. Point is, j-pop, j-rock, cheese metal, nu metal, trance/rave etc. have been done to death in combo videos and I don't wanna hear it any more. It'd be ridiculous to expect every video to contain music I like, but Christ, at least switch it up a little.
*Crosses Battle in Flash off Hypothetical Combo Video BGM List* :sad: Not like I'm good enough to make a combo video anyway.

[polarity]

by the way if you're looking for bad examples just watch pretty much any south american or european kof combo video, they're all pretty much how-tos on shitty editing in combo videos

[TheGreaterForce]

I agree with all of that, shit is annoying.

[Master Chibi]

Not combo videos, but how about tutorial videos with no transcripts ;p?

Or tutorial videos with transcripts that you can't even read?

:3

[polarity]

yeah you gotta love that shit

[Mixah]

That new GG combo video on CV is fucking gay with the intros and shit.

oh, and ode to the 2 hit was the best combo video i've EVER seen.

[Digitalbooty]

Ok, I'm going to give my point of view. Most of my reply is prolly what polarity is expecting someone to say, so I'll go ahead and say it.

If you don't like the way something is done, do it better. Add your own style. It's like when people bitch about music or any other art style. If you don't like it, do something about it. If "johnny hotcomboz" wants dragonforce with 8 min intros, then he has the right. It's HIS work. You don't have to watch it. this is just my opinion. I'm not hating on what you're saying, just stating the obvious.

[polarity]

you're pretty much right, i'm just hoping some people simply dont know any better rather than actually think everyone else thinks that shit is tite

[goodm0urning]

I agree with Polarity on all counts, and have some stuff of my own to add:

* Edit the video so that it is simple and easy to follow. I once saw a Third Strike combo vid that wasted time and file space on a long-ass intro, only to have two combos shown at the same time (in split-screen) a little later on. Couldn't they have just cut the fucking intro and shown the two combos one after the other, so I actually have a chance of following what's going on?

* If the combo features some sort of glitch that is either not readily apparent in the combo or requires some kind of special technique that can't be explained purely by observation, please give the viewer some way of figuring out what the hell is going on. Possibly a subtitle with a hyperlink to a page with the glitch information on it, or a text explanation at the end of the video. Something. Please.

* I know you like shitty music. But if it obscures the sound effects of the combos, it has to fucking go. You might be surprised how much you can understand about the action through audio cues, so please, keep functionality in mind.


I miss the old days when a combo video just had combos in it. James Chen did some great ones, and without a shitload of fancy editing.

[wakeupsweep]

If you're making a 3s, st or any other game where the hit counter pops out at the end of the combo don't cut it out. I mean, ok, you brag you can link 4 fierces with Hugo, can I see the counter now, please? :confused:

[Ferdinandz]

God damn, AAA thread.

Fucking agree with every.single.thing you listed.

[Thongboy Bebop]

Well fuck you too!

N

[Magnetro]

Yeah, I agree. :tup:

[Dios <-X->]

Magnetro Vol.1 Is a Combo video done right.

[taiji]

there's only few that can manage the flashy shit imo; meikyousisui , djb, magnetro, and mike ross

but i agree with your post 100%

[Dander]

Yeah, I agree. :tup:

blah blah go find a new nightwish/artic sonata song for the next video.

Magnetro Vol.1 Is a Combo video done right.

He had magneto Anime clips and horrible music. But the combos were pretty.
not enough Dander though.

there's only few that can manage the flashy shit imo; meikyousisui , djb, magnetro, and mike ross

but i agree with your post 100%

a/s/l?

[Pablo_the_Mex]

by the way if you're looking for bad examples just watch pretty much any south american or european kof combo video, they're all pretty much how-tos on shitty editing in combo videos

LOL!

So true.

[polarity]

Well fuck you too!

N

if you made combo vids rather than just tutorials i'm sure they'd be some of the best :looney:

you get a free pass on the stupidly long intros by virtue of them actually being entertaining

[Master Chibi]

His next video is crazy, I'll say that much.

:3

[Dander]

Well fuck you too!

N


Where's my money bitch?

[Xenozip.]

*gasp*, my vids didn't make the example list. :sad:

I fail, I crawl in hole and die.

[polarity]

i know youre joking but i actually meant to put a disclaimer in there about me probably forgetting a bunch cause i know someone will probably get annoyed :confused:

[Desk]

polarity, dude... you're not going to like my new vid, lol.

[polarity]

polarity, dude... you're not going to like my new vid, lol.

nah I HAVE TOTAL FAITH IN YOU

people with real skillz get by without paying heed to these rules anyway

[Xenozip.]

i know youre joking but i actually meant to put a disclaimer in there about me probably forgetting a bunch cause i know someone will probably get annoyed :confused:

Yes, I was joking. :bgrin:

[Magnetro]

after a while some people stop making videos or whatever for the normals *shrug*

[Master Chibi]

after a while some people stop making videos or whatever for the normals *shrug*

you have more interested in marvel with the avatars you keep making as of late

:annoy:

[Xenozip.]

you have more interested in marvel with the avatars you keep making as of late

:annoy:

Except his new blinky one that is ugly and painful to look at.. because it blinks.

[Dander]

you have more interested in marvel with the avatars you keep making as of late

:annoy:

exposing the fact that GGXXAC actually does in fact suck?

QFT

[Emil]

I'd like to know in what way you think Ode 2 the 2 Hit combo is the best combo video ever, besides the fact that it is a classic...

What do you think about cyberfanatix videos? I think their editing is actually extremely good, although probably overdone. They also continuously mention in many of their videos, repeatedly, that the video editor is KyoreX, which does get annoying.

[Thongboy Bebop]

if you made combo vids rather than just tutorials i'm sure they'd be some of the best :looney:

2 more days.

N

[Dander]

I'd like to know in what way you think Ode 2 the 2 Hit combo is the best combo video ever, besides the fact that it is a classic...

What do you think about cyberfanatix videos? I think their editing is actually extremely good, although probably overdone. They also continuously mention in many of their videos, repeatedly, that the video editor is KyoreX, which does get annoying.

It might have something to do with the fact that it's a new way to look at fighting games. If you notice some of those two hit combos are actually not that hard, but some of then are extremely hard. On top of that, he had good music, and the editing didn't take away from the actual footage. Cept maybe the four shot stop and play ones.

at least that's my take on it.

[Dander]

2 more days.

N

Yeah and Evo is practically 1 week away.


SH AT ALL!

[Dander]

Yeah and Evo is practically 1 week away.


SH AT ALL!

Triple post

[polarity]

It might have something to do with the fact that it's a new way to look at fighting games. If you notice some of those two hit combos are actually not that hard, but some of then are extremely hard. On top of that, he had good music, and the editing didn't take away from the actual footage. Cept maybe the four shot stop and play ones.

at least that's my take on it.

pretty much. some of the editing tricks he used were really cool. i also like the idea of a combo video that revolves around a single concept. also, it's something that's fun to watch whether you know anything about the games or not. he also transitioned between different pieces of music really well which most video makers are really bad at doing for some reason.

i've also never been much of a fan of these "look how many hits i can do!" videos, although that's mostly just personal preference. from what i've seen him say before i think maj has a similar attitude on this; videos that illustrate what's possible by abusing the system/obscure situations are far more interesting than videos that just have a bunch of combos that are only hard because of human limits in execution. the 2 hit combo video had a good amount of those, too. obviously it couldnt go the former route.

[Dander]

pretty much. some of the editing tricks he used were really cool. i also like the idea of a combo video that revolves around a single concept. also, it's something that's fun to watch whether you know anything about the games or not. he also transitioned between different pieces of music really well which most video makers are really bad at doing for some reason.

*cough*magnetro*cough*

[Helter Skelter]

Polarity, you are a dude for making this thread.

However, in regards to projects made like Thongboy Bebop's video and such.
Do you think there is more room for things like that?

What did you think of Desk's Ken Vs Zangief Trilogy?
I personally would like to see more videos like that (not spammage, just occassionally).

KYSG videos are the nicest in terms of direction (my view, it doesnt actually mean shit).

Also I think your a Neempire member. Am I right?

[AlterGenesis]

The only thing I don't agree with is the music. If you don't like it, it's pretty easy to hit the mute button. Most of the time the music is irrevelevant to the combo video. Also, when the Japanese are the ones making the combo video, can you blame them for using Japanese music? I don't get it. Of course you'll see a lot of combo videos like that.

Obviously, too much of anything is a bad thing, (which you have said - credits, intros, etc.) but there is no reason to criticize what someone wants to do in their own video. So, I don't really think telling people to stop shit because it isn't in your taste is the greatest idea.

[Emil]

So how do you people feel about hex combos? There's been retarded debates about it in the past...

I don't have any problem with them...as a game becomes older, finding new combos using human precision is near impossible. Hex is a good way to test for the existence of new combos, and it obviously saves time. Not all combos are about proving the ability of the combomakers, some of them just want to show what is possible.

[Demon Dash]

Except his new blinky one that is ugly and painful to look at.. because it blinks.
I believe you're mistaking that avatar for MegamanDS?

[polarity]

The only thing I don't agree with is the music. If you don't like it, it's pretty easy to hit the mute button. Most of the time the music is irrevelevant to the combo video. Also, when the Japanese are the ones making the combo video, can you blame them for using Japanese music? I don't get it. Of course you'll see a lot of combo videos like that.

Obviously, too much of anything is a bad thing, (which you have said - credits, intros, etc.) but there is no reason to criticize what someone wants to do in their own video. So, I don't really think telling people to stop shit because it isn't in your taste is the greatest idea.

Well I kind of draw a line between music I perhaps don't personally like but I can see how it adds to the video, and music that is just plain old bad taste. I don't mean to sound like a dick, but in my view if you're over the age of 15 and still listen to j-pop or Linkin Park then you kind of need to re-evaluate your taste. As for power metal or trance or whatever, if you like that stuff, that's cool, but at least accept that it's cheesy as FUCK and also it's been pretty much done to death in combo vids. Seriously, do we need another fucking video with Nightwish in it?

It's not a HUGE deal. Most of my points alone aren't (except for stupid effects that obscure the action and huge intros/credits, those two really piss me off to the point that I won't watch a video that has that shit), it's when they add up that it gets irritating. I mean if someone REALLY REALLY likes power metal and they don't listen to any other music then I guess I can't really blame them for sticking with what they know.

Polarity, you are a dude for making this thread.

However, in regards to projects made like Thongboy Bebop's video and such.
Do you think there is more room for things like that?

What did you think of Desk's Ken Vs Zangief Trilogy?
I personally would like to see more videos like that (not spammage, just occassionally).

KYSG videos are the nicest in terms of direction (my view, it doesnt actually mean shit).

Also I think your a Neempire member. Am I right?

Yeah, I'd like to see more stuff like that actually, it's an interesting new direction. And yes, I am on NeoEmpire :looney:

[Dander]

Well I kind of draw a line between music I perhaps don't personally like but I can see how it adds to the video, and music that is just plain old bad taste. I don't mean to sound like a dick, but in my view if you're over the age of 15 and still listen to j-pop or Linkin Park then you kind of need to re-evaluate your taste. As for power metal or trance or whatever, if you like that stuff, that's cool, but at least accept that it's cheesy as FUCK and also it's been pretty much done to death in combo vids. Seriously, do we need another fucking video with Nightwish in it?

We need a combo video with some reggaeton.

[Magnetro]

The only thing that really gets to me is trapcode shine. I can stand 3D stroke but shine is just- ... well it is what it is. If you don't know what trapcode shine is, watch tv or movies. I even told Joo from Meikyousisui to not use it any more. bleh whatever, some of the combovideo people nowadays only make videos for themselves or for like 3 other people to notice *shrug* I should just learn to live with it (trapcode shine)

I believe you're mistaking that avatar for MegamanDS?

:rofl::rofl::rofl:

[Hitaro0]

I agree with all of this, but I thought it was obvious.

Damn, I could've gotten free rep/eFame.

[Dander]

The only thing that really gets to me is trapcode shine. I can stand 3D stroke but shine is just- ... well it is what it is. If you don't know what trapcode shine is, watch tv or movies. I even told Joo from Meikyousisui to not use it any more. bleh whatever, some of the combovideo people nowadays only make videos for themselves or for like 3 other people to notice *shrug* I should just learn to live with it (trapcode shine)



:rofl::rofl::rofl:

I can't believe you slept with my girlfriend.

I thought we were friends.

Jesus Christ man, I was going to introduce you to my cousin and everything...

[Dark Geese]

Hex combos are BS because mainly at times they aren't doing the combos..I lose respect for people like that. I'm like the others, I speed past all the techno and all the other shit and get to the combos and see if they are practical if not make them practical..and Hex has a very bad name because of the fact that the combos are mechanically done..

I have no respect for people that use Hex..because they are casting a "Hex" on many of us..

[polarity]

Who cares about that shit? If a combo video just existed to show how good execution the guy performing it has, I wouldn't be interested. Combos that are hard to do aren't necessarily fun to watch. Crazy system exploits/ridiculously situational combos are far more entertaining, and I don't care if they were done by hand or not.

[YellowS4]

Shit videos that qualify for every single one of your points:
Anything SNK related. Holy sweet Hitler's ghost, watching that shit is fucken brutal. I can't think of the specific group but holy fuck, I don't care who's doing the combo and having shitty ass anime guy covering half the screen.

Then again, GG'ing myself for watching shit like that.

[Dander]

Who cares about that shit? If a combo video just existed to show how good execution the guy performing it has, I wouldn't be interested. Combos that are hard to do aren't necessarily fun to watch. Crazy system exploits/ridiculously situational combos are far more entertaining, and I don't care if they were done by hand or not.

Usually Crazy System Exploits and goodexecution go hand in hand. How do you feel about those? *cough*magnetro*cough*


sorry about the threadjack but I couldn't stay on aim with him anymore after listening to the voicemail she left.

btw, just so you guys know: SH!

[polarity]

man i was actually going to list "don't use cheesy screen wipes" but i realized i'd never really seen them in combo videos but then i was looking around on youtube just now and the south american kof community manages to exceed my expectations yet again

[Dark Geese]

Well I dont watch combovideos for shit that aint practical..but thats just me..They dont entertain me..esp when you see the SAME COMBO 50X by different people..:sweat: I close the media player immediately.

[Emil]

Shit videos that qualify for every single one of your points:
Anything SNK related. Holy sweet Hitler's ghost, watching that shit is fucken brutal. I can't think of the specific group but holy fuck, I don't care who's doing the combo and having shitty ass anime guy covering half the screen.

Then again, GG'ing myself for watching shit like that.

You must be talking about Hinako's videos. SNK combo videos do not have all the things you describe obviously.

[RaiJinKen]

Are people still using 'sandstorm' in combo videos? :confused:

Oh, and brazilian combo makers should really take notes from this thread :rofl:

[Dander]

Well I dont watch combovideos for shit that aint practical..but thats just me..They dont entertain me..esp when you see the SAME COMBO 50X by different people..:sweat: I close the media player immediately.

that's pretty fucking fast, considering my computer actually has lag on closing WMP.

Not to be Nit-Picky but what I think you're refering to is Tutorial Videos. From my experience watching videos, combovideos usually tend to be really extreme and extremely situational, thus making them impractical. Whereas a Tutorial Video will display various common instances in matches which will lead to you seeing the "SAME COMBO 50X by different people..:sweat:"

Once again, just offering what little knowledge I can.

I've posted in this thread too much.

[YellowS4]

You must be talking about Hinako's videos. SNK combo videos do not have all the things you describe obviously.

Dunno who Hinako is but if they're from PR, Mexico or South America, it has to be it.

Shit is a seizure waiting to happen.

[Dander]

Dunno who Hinako is but if they're from PR, Mexico or South America, it has to be it.

Shit is a seizure waiting to happen.

You forgot the Philippines.

[polarity]

i didnt really want to cite certain examples 'cause i'm not that much of a dick but i managed to find this again and i dont want it to go to waste so here it is, the worst, most wanktacular production job in a combo video ever:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=p-IQPAThovs
http://youtube.com/watch?v=q8yjteb6L6Y
http://youtube.com/watch?v=o9nKSdkbyrc
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Um5hJVIVlns

[Dander]

i didnt really want to cite certain examples 'cause i'm not that much of a dick but i managed to find this again and i dont want it to go to waste so here it is, the worst, most wanktacular production job in a combo video ever:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=p-IQPAThovs
http://youtube.com/watch?v=q8yjteb6L6Y
http://youtube.com/watch?v=o9nKSdkbyrc
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Um5hJVIVlns

poor zed and yamazaki but I guess its their fault for choosing music with gayness exceeding that of 9000.

[YellowS4]

LOL, first vid already got me.

GG combos performed by + cartoon garbage.

[Digitalbooty]

i didnt really want to cite certain examples 'cause i'm not that much of a dick but i managed to find this again and i dont want it to go to waste so here it is, the worst, most wanktacular production job in a combo video ever:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=p-IQPAThovs
http://youtube.com/watch?v=q8yjteb6L6Y
http://youtube.com/watch?v=o9nKSdkbyrc
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Um5hJVIVlns


Wow! I guess I didn't realize what kind of garbage was REALLY out there!:confused:


I fully retract my previous post from this thread.

Ignorance is bliss.

[Dasrik]

I don't care if you love Ayumi Hamasaki, or Nightwish, or Dragonforce, or Linkin Park, or Stratovarius orwhatever the fuck raver DJs you listen to...
Added an obvious one you forgot.

As to the YouTube links, I saw the smoke at the beginning of one and stopped watching it. Not wasting 20 minutes on that shit ^_^

[Dandy J]

I have no respect for people that use Hex..because they are casting a "Hex" on many of us..
why because youre too dumb to realize that a combo is really hard to do

[Dander]

why because youre too dumb to realize that a combo is really hard to do

Jesus Christ man, defend it with honor not like a 5 year old kid. Maybe he CAN do it, but finds it tedious and unnecessary if you CAN in fact do it with your hands.

And btw, command pads are INDEED tedious.

And sometimes it's not that its "hard", instead try the word "Impossible" to back up your position.

but yeah, you use the same 3 letters I use at the beginning of my name, so someone please rep this man.

[Jr7891]

One thing that pisses me off in combo videos is infinite meter. Who can't fucking stun gunn headbutt or denjin hadouken someone until their dead?

Oh, never make a video on an emulator if your comp can't handle the emulator. See Chankast Komboz on Youtube if the poster didn't remove them out of embarassment.

[polarity]

but yeah, you use the same 3 letters I use at the beginning of my name, so someone please rep this man.

you count good

[Dandy J]

The only thing I don't agree with is the music. If you don't like it, it's pretty easy to hit the mute button. Most of the time the music is irrevelevant to the combo video. Also, when the Japanese are the ones making the combo video, can you blame them for using Japanese music?
Japanese guys always use Nightwish, it's other people who use jpop and shit. Well they are both gay so w/e.

Jesus Christ man, defend it with honor not like a 5 year old kid. Maybe he CAN do it, but finds it tedious and unnecessary if you CAN in fact do it with your hands.

And btw, command pads are INDEED tedious.

And sometimes it's not that its "hard", instead try the word "Impossible" to back up your position.

but yeah, you use the same 3 letters I use at the beginning of my name, so someone please rep this man.
Hahahha actually I'm a little sorry for saying that but he had it comin. Point is, if you see a combo and try it, you can tell within a few attempts (or maybe even before you do it) just how hard it is. Note that if I do a combo using frame by frame inputs or someone else does, I think they should note that that's how they did the combo.

But saying that you don't want people to do it period is silly. Look at KYSG videos; hell their Tekken 4 combo videos were are so good they actually made Tekken 4 worth existing. There is nothing wrong with bringing the mechanics down to a true science and exploiting everything you can for the sake of entertainment.

[Dark Geese]

Well because I actually try actually do these combos and make them practical.

Nah what I'm referring to are all combovids not tutorial ones..I just hate watching the same 2k2 combo done over and over for the same situation just a little flashier..

I try once again to make all this shit practical by all means..and sometimes I use it to find more shit..

[Emil]

Hex combos are BS because mainly at times they aren't doing the combos..I lose respect for people like that. I'm like the others, I speed past all the techno and all the other shit and get to the combos and see if they are practical if not make them practical..and Hex has a very bad name because of the fact that the combos are mechanically done..

I have no respect for people that use Hex..because they are casting a "Hex" on many of us..

But not all combo makers have the purpose of showing people that they can do combos. If they state that they did it by hand when they didn't, then that is a problem, but if it weren't for hex, the majority of really complex combos, regardless of their practicality, would never even be known. Some combo makers merely want to show what is possible within the game. If they utilize hex for execution purposes only (and not for direct modification of the game), then the combos they create are legitimate. There's just no point in someone trying to complete a combo that has 10 one-frame links when you can do it in one try, besides personal satisfaction (at the cost of days/months of trying).

[Lord BBH]

by the way if you're looking for bad examples just watch pretty much any south american or european kof combo video, they're all pretty much how-tos on shitty editing in combo videos

hahahaha

http://youtube.com/watch?v=BGcF4GI9uf8

this video embodies almost everything that's wrong with combo vids

[Emil]

hahahaha

http://youtube.com/watch?v=BGcF4GI9uf8

this video embodies almost everything that's wrong with combo vids

The anime stuff she put in is rediculously bad, as is the music...but the combos are good and actually semi-practical. You have to remember though...the combo maker is a girl (from what I know). It's probably not going to appeal to most guys.

And to whoever asked, Hinako is not South American, she is Chinese I believe.

[polarity]

i know the female species isn't something you have much experience with emil but bad taste is hardly endemic of feminity

[LWK]

The anime stuff she put in is rediculously bad, as is the music...but the combos are good and actually semi-practical. You have to remember though...the combo maker is a girl (from what I know). It's probably not going to appeal to most guys.

And to whoever asked, Hinako is not South American, she is Chinese I believe.

Hey Emil, any godly players using May Lee on mame? I always felt she had the most potential in 2002. I very recently started playing again, my close friends couldn't touch me in 2002. How is the online scene holding up?

[Emil]

Hey Emil, any godly players using May Lee on mame? I always felt she had the most potential in 2002. I very recently started playing again, my close friends couldn't touch me in 2002. How is the online scene holding up?

Godly players? Yeah, me, kofman, zanza and some guy named Scorpion who plays MvC now.

The online scene is actually pretty bad now.

[Lord BBH]

The anime stuff she put in is rediculously bad, as is the music...but the combos are good and actually semi-practical. You have to remember though...the combo maker is a girl (from what I know). It's probably not going to appeal to most guys.

And to whoever asked, Hinako is not South American, she is Chinese I believe.

Oh I'm not faulting the combo quality, there's some inventive stuff there. But besides the horrible music and the anime shit, there's a ridiculous number of overlays (that rotating one in the bottom-right is particularly annoying), and all that strange Engrish ("If you couldn't accept the two choice before, will you follow the third choice?")... shit like that.

Another "winner" is this Let's Get It Started combo video for KoF 2003 (http://youtube.com/watch?v=aPD7MHJJ3J4). It's bad enough when you're using a really horrible Black Eyed Peas song for your background music, but when you're going that far to sync up as much stuff as possible to that song? WHY?!


edit: wow, those World Heroes Perfect videos. It starts with a long drawn-out combo for a different game entirely (Last Blade), then loooooong intros, then just when you think it's about to begin.... psyche! Gotta know more about the COMBOMAKERS and watch them do combos that again have nothing to do with WHP. The actual WHP combos don't start until about 3:50 into it. Fucking great. And then you've got actual karaoke for their weeaboo J-pop song while the combos are going on... which part of the screen am I supposed to be looking at?!?

[AlterGenesis]

Well, I must admit, after seeing those combos videos, that is some seriously gay-ass shit. The combo vidoes I edit are not that gay, so I feel less offended.

[Rico!]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=CUmvJhXPH6w

nice editing, but without all that flash there would be about 45 seconds of actual combos.

[Vic Viper]

1. Shitty music

I don't care if you love Ayumi Hamasaki, or Nightwish, or Dragonforce, or Linkin Park, or whatever the fuck raver DJs you listen to. Point is, j-pop, j-rock, cheese metal, nu metal, trance/rave etc. have been done to death in combo videos and I don't wanna hear it any more. It'd be ridiculous to expect every video to contain music I like, but Christ, at least switch it up a little.



And I was planning on using Des-Row and BeForU for an upcoming Samurai Showdown 4 combo vid.

[King9999]

Well fuck you too!

N

Where's your second 3S tutorial, bitch?

[Xenozip.]

I pretty much agree with polarity. Though I just disagree with how he said it. It was phased rather poorly (bitter are we?).

I believe for #1 he meant "played out" music, not "shitty music". Which I would agree with. There's a whole sea of music out there and people still end up using the same damn tracks. At least they could pick a different track from the same artist, but not it's the same damn tracks in every video.

I think we can all agree that you can't categorize a whole genre as bad/shitty. It's really personal preference. Use heavy metal or techno trance or polka if that's your thing, but just don't use something that's been in several other videos.

J-Pop is easy to target though because it's in so many other videos. And it's pop, meaning popular, meaning it's probably been used before. A lot of people are really sick of hearing it

I dunno about #2. There's ways to have a really long intro while still keeping the audience entertained. But if it's like a blank screen with a few lines of text for minutes on end, then that's just obviously stupid. If you're going to have a really long intro then please try to have something interesting to watch while the intro is running, such as glitches or stupid/silly combos that "didn't make the cut", etc so that we aren't just staring at stupid shit waiting for the content to arrive.

I also think for #5 he meant obnoxious editing, not "flashy" editing. Try to be original, try not to be repetitive, try not to put too many redundant transitions between every fucking clip in the video. Editing can really make a video nice, but shitty editing can make a video annoying and ugly. Using generic filters that come with your video editing program over and over and over is really poor and kills the feel of the video.

[Isop]

Great thread. Great points. I fucking hate anime. :mad:

[Lord BBH]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=CUmvJhXPH6w

nice editing, but without all that flash there would be about 45 seconds of actual combos.

I like how the actual combos are in a tiny box that doesn't even take up half the screen.

[Taskmaster]

People need to watch Tosaka vids to see how it's supposed to be done before making a combo vid.

One second intro, then right into the combos, the music is from other games, and most would agree cool, and a one sec outro pic.

And j-pop needs to dissappear fast. It's music marketed to teenage girls for god's sake.

[Xenozip.]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=CUmvJhXPH6w

nice editing, but without all that flash there would be about 45 seconds of actual combos. Ironically this is one of the few videos that properly explores tech trapping.

They explored guaranteed combos, knockdown into okizeme (meaty mixups), and tech traps. Like in the 9th combo (at 1:40 against Axl), Dizzy does and IAD j.HS, lands and does super, then airthrows. If the opponent doesn't tech they eat the super and the j.HS, if the opponent techs or bursts they eat the airthrow which wallslams for another combo (c.K, f.S, Spike).

Yeah the editing was excessive but the content was also fairly solid.

I've seen combo videos that explored knockdown->okizeme fairly extensively, and vids that attempted to explore tech trapping inaccurately (not guaranteed traps), but this is one of the few videos I've seen that contained legit guaranteed tech traps, oki mixups, and guaranteed b&b combos.

[_MJ_#R]

don't be dissin Tool, bitch

[polarity]

I pretty much agree with polarity. Though I just disagree with how he said it. It was phased rather poorly (bitter are we?).

im just playin up the rage for lols :looney:

[ShinjiGohan]

I admit to putting in 1 anime clip in one of my first videos 4 years ago -sobs-

And to doing nightwish in a couple videos too. Maybe I can ask for the community to give me songs to put in there lol.

gues I'm doing better lol
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sLZ_2m_-eK0

[rogueyoshi]

i think this is a great example of a simple, elegant combo video.
its by japanese monster player, u-na.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FB2VqltmVWs

[Desk]

I think it's worth pointing out that there was a time when that cheesy speed metal stuff wasn't overused and, in my opinion, worked quite well in vids. But that was quite a long time ago, lol.

Having said that, if it's edited in some awesome way that requires certain music then it's your call to put it in. Just mashing clips together and making an arbitary choice of 'cool' music however, is a bit crap.

KYSG consistently chooses music that I either don't hate or actually really like. Plus his vids are awesome anyway. Also, meikyosisui can get away with anything because they're OG's.

[Festival6667]

I pretty much agree with polarity. Though I just disagree with how he said it. It was phased rather poorly (bitter are we?).

I believe for #1 he meant "played out" music, not "shitty music". Which I would agree with. There's a whole sea of music out there and people still end up using the same damn tracks. At least they could pick a different track from the same artist, but not it's the same damn tracks in every video.

I think we can all agree that you can't categorize a whole genre as bad/shitty. It's really personal preference. Use heavy metal or techno trance or polka if that's your thing, but just don't use something that's been in several other videos.

J-Pop is easy to target though because it's in so many other videos. And it's pop, meaning popular, meaning it's probably been used before. A lot of people are really sick of hearing it

I dunno about #2. There's ways to have a really long intro while still keeping the audience entertained. But if it's like a blank screen with a few lines of text for minutes on end, then that's just obviously stupid. If you're going to have a really long intro then please try to have something interesting to watch while the intro is running, such as glitches or stupid/silly combos that "didn't make the cut", etc so that we aren't just staring at stupid shit waiting for the content to arrive.

I also think for #5 he meant obnoxious editing, not "flashy" editing. Try to be original, try not to be repetitive, try not to put too many redundant transitions between every fucking clip in the video. Editing can really make a video nice, but shitty editing can make a video annoying and ugly. Using generic filters that come with your video editing program over and over and over is really poor and kills the feel of the video.I agree with you Xenozip, but I'd be even harsher by saying that if one doesn't feel sure about his editing and doesn't want to rehash the same transition again and again, then why not try editing the vid more or less without all those transitions/effects from software he probably even doesn't master himself (and I'm not even talking about how he got the software).

Seriously, do these editors REALLY believe using professionnal-grade effects software will actually make a video better even if they don't know how to edit it properly without them? Cause if that's the case, let me tell you I just had my stairs revised to an even more dangerous version with even less light and I can put all of them out of their misery.


Now let me take an extreme example to get this straight about what is and will always be unbearable :
- if the music is overplayed or even the sound shitty that's too bad but you can eventually turn off the sound
- if the into/outro are waaaay too long you can skip them

then it's sad but your video may not yet fail completely

BUT

- if you can't read the transcripts for a tutorial
and/or
- if the quality is so poor you can't even tell a punch from a kick
and/or
- if the transitions eat the beginning and the end of each combo
and/or
- if the effects actually prevent from understanding anything to the combo (happy lensing/logo/blur fuckers, you know I hate you... all of you)
and/or
- if your video hurt eyes (like by blinking or having a frame rate of 15fps)

then your video is a total failure and is also a proof that you are a total failure as far as editing go

[Adelheid]

Another "winner" is this Let's Get It Started combo video for KoF 2003 (http://youtube.com/watch?v=aPD7MHJJ3J4). It's bad enough when you're using a really horrible Black Eyed Peas song for your background music, but when you're going that far to sync up as much stuff as possible to that song? WHY?!

I acually really like this combo vid despite I dislike the music in it

[polarity]

I acually really like this combo vid despite I dislike the music in it

yeah honestly i dont think the editing in that video is too bad, it's goofy but pretty fun, and the first song actually works really well even though i fucking hate it normally. the only problem i have with it is that transition to the second song... it totally disrupts the mood set by the first one. maybe i'm just nitpicky, but i would've split the content into 2 videos and retained a more definite 'mood' in each one.

[Dander]

you count good

hey fuck you! :rofl:

I can't believe i missed that extra D.

hey fuck you! :rofl:

[Emil]

Really old kof98 video with very poor editing:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHnACI5pDQc

Cyberfanatix's kof98 video, kof98 Revolutions, with extreme editing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hqt3luZyK4Y

The editing and sound for the first video is so incredibly bad, although I found it quite funny at times. In the second video, I'm really not sure why they purposely distort the colors at one point in the video, and some points are also seizure inducing...but good music!

[tataki]

i dont care what song it uses as long as it really fits what you see on the screen
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfYTdxtVBAk

[Thongboy Bebop]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=CUmvJhXPH6w

nice editing, but without all that flash there would be about 45 seconds of actual combos.

That's one of my favourite videos ever. Seriously, it's in my youtube list already.

N

[Hokage Izlude]

6.Always disable the in-game music, if you can't, don't have in-game sound at all.

I think having in-game sound in a combo video is pretty important, even if you can't disable the in-game music, if it's not too loud, but just normal, it's fine I think. But yeah, I think having in-game sound helps alot with combo video's because you can actually hear every single hit and each action the character is making.

I don't know about some people, but seeing something performed isn't good enough, I gotta be able to hear it as well, or else I won't have any idea what they are trying to pull.

Another thing I'd like to see more often in combo vids is a list of commands or even a quick explanation of how the combo work, maybe done with a slow-mo replay or something.

[polarity]

hmm, absence of sound has never really bothered me, but i can see how it'd matter to some people. in-game music clashing with the music really annoys me though

[DevilJin 01]

So have people stopped making bad videos because of this??

[caliagent#3]

The anime stuff has to be the most annoying thing ever in combo vids. What does random anime have to do with the game?? Everything else is passable, even the crappy editing and music.

[Jida]

You know what? Polarity is fucking awesome.

[#reload]

i'm sure i'm not the only one that gets annoyed by those old jap mvc2 vids when that random text starts scrolling all over the place...

and people who do lk taunt after craptastic combos...

[Hokage Izlude]

Oh yeah, which is another thing, any outsource music in a combo vid drives me nuts. Especially when it's lame japanese pop or emo rock crap. :(

Do not want.

[Isop]

agreed on kysg, they have some pretty hot stuff. their t4 and 3s vids always impressed.

[power333]

So how do you people feel about hex combos? There's been retarded debates about it in the past...

I don't have any problem with them...as a game becomes older, finding new combos using human precision is near impossible. Hex is a good way to test for the existence of new combos, and it obviously saves time. Not all combos are about proving the ability of the combomakers, some of them just want to show what is possible.


IMO Hex is really cool if they can find really incredible Meikyou-like stuff. Even more so because, after a while, some players start using it in real games (Yipes, Sanford, etc...)



On other thing, its always good to remind everybody that this thread is about presentation-only. I honestly don't give a damn about presentation. If Magnetro launched the Dhalsim DVD in mpg files, black and white an on You Tube I would watch it and love it in teh same way. For many people like me, its all baout the combps/resets whatever. The last thing we want is to take out the motivation of some good combomakers that aren't necessarily good videomakers. Shin Chan is not really a videomaker, but the combos and plays he made with Chun Li are really cool, and I'm eager to see more of it, even if it looks crappy presentation-wise. If he stops making vids because they are not amazingly edited many people would feel sad.

[eks]

tragic's vf sarah video is the best editing in any combo video

[mythicExile]

quick question:
the vids you mentioned..
you said, and i quote "are a good example of the form"

form of being bad or being good?
cuz some of those vids are solid, and some are HORRID.
mostly HORRID

[jae hoon]

The biggest thing is having to wait 5 min just to see the fucking combo vid. I dont care about all the people involved with the rediculous combos that arent practical anyway.

[Xenozip.]

The biggest thing is having to wait 5 min just to see the fucking combo vid. I dont care about all the people involved with the rediculous combos that arent practical anyway. The thing is the waiting, which is totally avoidable while still displaying all that information.

It's just like a poorly designed web sites with excessive flash animations. Really good flash-based sites allow you to access the content immediately instead of making you wait through a bunch of stupid animations.

But like I said before, it's possible to display stuff like that while still giving the viewers some interesting stuff to look at. I've seen some really good videos out there that had real in-game content from the start of the video to the end of the video, and they still managed to display the game's title, author's name, player's names, and other information without cutting away from the content.

Stuff like really long anime cut scenes, excessive character artwork, RAIN CLOUDS, plain screens with a bunch of text that last too long, and generic video transitions are just really taboo in my book.

[SuicidalGrandpa]

OP is 100%. Dang.

[TS]

Alright. My first shot at an MvC2 combo video that I YouTubed a couple months ago.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=reyaKt1SXPE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PgBtbCP-eiY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9x-Y8vv5dKA

I think I get some leeway because the combos are for scrubs like me, but there's no doubt it's overly long. Something to watch if you kill time. I left some novel-length notes in the video info.

How awful?

Be brutal.

Feel free to point out every single mistake. I need it.

[Thongboy Bebop]

I only watched the first one so far, because, well... it's too damn long.

This is just me speaking from my ivory video-making mountain, but I think the main problem here is that you're not taking into account that people get bored easily even if they're reasonably interested in the information you're pushing. So with the video being so hella, hella long it's easy to lose focus and stop caring about what's being presented. The content is decent, but (as you admit) very basic. Being only loosely sorted also, it's doubly difficult to keep watching because you don't really know what you're waiting for.

Basically, the vid is too long for me to keep watching without knowing why I'm watching it. The focus is too spread-out and the combos aren't OMGWTFBBQ impressive, so by the 2-minute mark I have no reason to keep watching. I can't really get a sense of who the video is for or why exactly it needed to be made. That's the most important thing from my perspective, knowing exactly who you want to watch your video and what they should be getting from it.

N - It's not bad, just kind of meandering.

[Helter Skelter]

Wheres my video.

[Xenozip.]

Be brutal. I really like the video. A few suggestions:

- Put you name on the title screens. Title screens were good, but who who did the video and who did the combos? Names and dates (who what when where why)! Even in the finale all you put was "Thanks", where's your name, fucker?
- The examples where you showed what was going to be in the video was cool, but maybe make them a bit shorter, like 2 or 3 examples for each scenario, and then move on to the content.
- You might want to make a custom Marvel mix CD with no BGM at all so that you can record combos with the in-game sounds, then add your music while video editing. That way people can hear the in-game sounds plus your music.
- You might want to stress that it's a 3 part video. If you know it's going to go up on Youtube and you have to split it, you might want to take a little time to make a "part 1, part 2, part 3" screen detailing what you can expect to see in each part, that way people who don't read youtube will know just from watching the video that there's 3 parts to see. I know you probably intended the videos for the SRK crowd and you planned on putting that sort of info in your posts and youtube description, but a lot of people get linked outside of SRK, like on aim/msn/irc and other forums, and also find videos through youtube searched, and a lot of people just splatter links around without giving proper info.
- I really like the info subs that pop-up during the video, but I saw a few combos that were mixups that didn't combo, woulda been nice to see a pop-up there too.
- Good stuff skipping redundant loops like the Saber Tooth loop you skipped a few reps, but you might want to mention that you're skipping ahead with a pop-up. But you didn't skip reps during the examples sequence, blarg!
- Since you were using infinite meter for the video (which is fine, use infinite meter) you might want to put a little counter somewhere on the screen during the video to count the number of stocks used.

But really I definitely liked that video. It wasn't hard to understand and it was very thorough. Lots and lots of quality content and no shitty cut-scenes or redundant transitions. Good shit. :tup:

[Magnetro]

I hate the content, but that's just me.

If you're using the same setup with different outcomes just transition them or something so you don't show the setup 100 times.

Clip your video edges.

Don't taunt a lot

Uh, for what it is, the video is good. I just don't like that stuff :sad:



:lovin:

[goodm0urning]

If you're using the same setup with different outcomes just transition them or something so you don't show the setup 100 times. I disagree with this. In my opinion, the instructional value of a good combo vid is more important than its entertainment value. Showing the whole unbroken combo, even if it means showing the same setup multiple times, is good because it ensures that the viewer knows how it works and why it works.

[Xenozip.]

Yeah, never ever cut the beginning or end of a combo, IMO. Even if it's "the same damn thing over and over". But definitely cut redundant loops that are short, like he did with the Sabertooth combo.

But actually, what he could have done with the Sabertooth combo was show another combo on one side of the screen while Sabertooth was doing his thing on the other side of the screen (split screen).

Split screening might work for the whole video in general since you could "fade in" the next combo on the left side of the screen while the previous combo was finishing on the right. But that'd require a lot of editing.

[polarity]

i really hate seeing the same combo with different endings each time, maybe split the screen if you gotta do that

[Vidness]

Hey, no vidness videos? What's up?? :wgrin:

[jae hoon]

Another thing I hate and this is notorious in KOF vids. I bet Polarity has seen this a few times, bubble view.

I know some of you are going wtf is bubble view. Well alot of KOF vids as of late come with this retarded idea that if you put the combo in a bubble and have it float around the screen it makes it cool. Problem is you cant see half the life bar, most of the combo, or most of anything else that is going on. It is fucking retarded

[Panicked]

I <3 this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kVnbZYvBuh8

[skitz]

I think free coupons should come with combovideos.

[Thongboy Bebop]

I <3 this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kVnbZYvBuh8

OMG BEST VIDEO EVER.

N

[DS]

OMG BEST VIDEO EVER.

N


THOOOOONNNNNNNNNG BOOOOOOOYYYYY!!!!!!!!!! SUPER ROBOT WARS, NIGGA!!!!!

Anyway, I was watching a few combo videos today and skimmed through Polarity's post at the same time. Shit. He's right. Opening credits and ending credits is pretty lame. If anything, just throw the name in there with the character combo in the form of a subtitle.

I don't think I've ever had a problem with music though. NKI uses some good shit.

[jchensor]

Ode to the 2 Hit Combo <snip> ...The only thing I don't like about it is most of those scrolling backgrounds look pretty ugly/cheesy, IMO

QFT. I hate those backgrounds. There is only one background that I think doesn't look awful (the Sean Basketball section), but I had no clue how to make backgrounds back then. Hell, I'm not even sure if I know how to make backgrounds these days.

- James
http://jchensor.blogspot.com

[Festival6667]

I <3 this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kVnbZYvBuh8ELLEGARDEN FTW!

[Dander]

stop fucking making combovideos period. Go to the fucking arcade or play in a tournament.
Geez! Lose more weight playing the game, than if you stayed at home making the video.


geez!


Fuck you Niles, where's mah munny?

[Tizoc]

Anyone know a DL-able version of 'Ode to 2 hits'?

[MiyagiShin X]

wow *suscribes*

I have a question to ask. I currently use Windows Movie Maker 2. But before i fill my computer with garbage of programs. Does anyone know the best freeware video editing program out there?

[Tizoc]

I dunno bout u ppl, but if there's one thing I hate in some combo vids is if they're just for show....like some of the stuff I DL from Cyberfanatix, not that they don't have good vids, but that most of the times it's just a one-time watch then Shift+Del.

[Tizoc]

Poor Hauzer (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfxwtNhFYcA)

[Rikidozan]

Poor Hauzer (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfxwtNhFYcA)

I suck at all 2D fighting games, so movies like the one you linked too was really enjoyable.

[rusbar]

you do know that now that you've posted this list, someone is going to make a combo video with all of things on your list just to piss you off yeah?

[TS]

I was actually planning on it.

TB/Xeno- Thanks for the input a lot, I really appreciate it.

I sorta realized that my vid was sorta half-assed as a tutorial (no info, poorly organized) and half-assed as a combo video (basic combos).

[Magnetro]

Combovideo people are killing the scene!!! @_@_@_@_@_@_@O+O~+!O~

[Mokura]

I agree w/ the long intros. Usually the vids I see don't live up to it. I still wonder if that "Ode to the 2-Hit Combo" vid is the one that raised the bar for combo vids.

[polarity]

you do know that now that you've posted this list, someone is going to make a combo video with all of things on your list just to piss you off yeah?

that would be awesome

[Festival6667]

Well, as long as it is made on purpose as a joke, like with all the "do not do this" actually done or even overdone, it would make a funny joke (and a big waste of time for the maker but laughing is good too...)

[Zacrias]

I so totally stopped watching combo videos because of a hinako one I attempted. The lengthy anime clip montage at the end was pretty bad, but what really scarred me for life were the clips from what I can only assume was the ending sequence of Project Zero/Fatal Frame 2, spoiling some of the ending for me O_O (I was in the middle of playing it at the time).

In the end I've never bothered to finish the game to find out...

Personally, I couldn't care a less what music is going on, but obscuring the combos with all kinds of rubbish, putting them in only 1/4 of the screen and so on really defeats the point imo.

[ToyRobotTerror]

Re: not so good tutorial videos

http://youtube.com/watch?v=6uf-1ofJQgM

I like the content but the intro is almost a fucking minute long and the outro is over 2 minutes.

[Dark Geese]

stop fucking making combovideos period. Go to the fucking arcade or play in a tournament.
Geez! Lose more weight playing the game, than if you stayed at home making the video.


geez!




Thank you damn..the fucking truth...someone rep this man!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :rock:

Like I said I can't even watch CMVs anymore really...for this purpose..how many Combovid makers are top players?????????

Very few... (Their little "toys" do the work in the vids as I said before)

Their shit is as practical as the guy who thinks he'll beat me, Faust, JeRon, the Triad, etc in NGBC or in any SNK game just because he can beat the Boss on Level 8..

HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :rofl: :rofl:

[<---SiNN--->]

stop fucking making combovideos period. Go to the fucking arcade or play in a tournament.



Thats false in many ways you not looking.

For one,some places pleople don't have enough or any comp to hold a tournament,the way gas prices is.....,I like tournaments but I be damn I'm about to ride a state or 2 away for anything local tournament to prove anything.

Second,

There are people that enjoy CVs more then watching the same old matches.Marvel for example,same old teams :rolleyes: I stop watching mvc2 tournament matches years ago,Same old shit.But now something like Duc jr. vs Clockwork/Drama with a money match,more interesting.What local tournament matche videos hype up marvel then that?

But anyways you forgot that alot of players lack comp,therefore most of them won't bother traveling weekly to go and lose in a local tournament then have to ride all the way back home.That's stupid.

Third Dark Geese agreed with your post,now your post super failed


Geez! Lose more weight playing the game, than if you stayed at home making the video.


Oh! in less that person is some lazy bum that as no job,that lives off there parents money,umm yea I can I see them going to weeklys then.:tup: yea?

[Dark Geese]

Sinn now let me disagree..I have practically no competition in my area (one person to play in KOFXI, NGBC hahaha no one, others no one etc)..so I have to leave to get competition so it all boils down to desire..if they aint gonna fucking get off their lazy asses to get competition then "you reap what you sow."

I have no sympathy for those that have the means but pity themselves in the "Woe is me" mentality.

Put up or STFU...as the other thread says..STFU and play...

And esp for these combovids where you see the same shit more than once by different combovid makers copying the same shit over and over..WTF?

This thread and the STFU and play one go hand in hand...go to a tournament and play...

And I dont wanna hear "I cant I dont have the means.."

WTF??? I have broken my back sponsoring people FOR THIS VERY REASON..if you want to get it done you'll find a way..maybe too many of these combovid makers are just casual gamers..have you thought of it that way??

They feel they will never be good at the game so this is their "way out" (Very much like the Money Matches!!! Not all are this way..some!)

I get sick and tired of trying to help people that dont want to be helped..it is a waste of my time..been there trying to help these very types of people go to this shit and front them cash only for them to make up some lame ass excuse everytime.

Means they dont got the gumption..the heart...the passion..what it takes to be successful in ANYTHING..

And without that I want no part of it...:tdown:

Sorry for this rant but I am very very passionate about what I do!

-Dark Geese

[MADDK]

someone should make a combovid tutorial on how to make good combovids :wow:

[<---SiNN--->]

Sinn now let me disagree..I have practically no competition in my area (one person to play in KOFXI, NGBC hahaha no one, others no one etc)..so I have to leave to get competition so it all boils down to desire..if they aint gonna fuck get off their lazy asses to get competition then "you reap what you sow."


Yes,it boils down to desire,but some without local comp,it truly boils down to Pure Realality.Ok.For just this once DG step out of fantasy land into the world.Some people have jobs and and bills to pay,Gas prices are a mother fucka too?NO comp means,NO practice,desire isn't base on that.That's not true desire.Desire is if that person,loves and still enjoy the game enough to watch CV's,come on SRK,or try to make it to a tournament or 2 when they have the chance. That's desire not giving up where you came from.



Put up or STFU...as the other thread says..STFU and play...



What does that have to do with anything about this thread :confused: CV's shit now?

^ I stop reading here.

All you know is SNK,so you must be talking about Snk CV makers,Im sure anyone would put there money on a CV maker in any game other then snk,against you.To be honest you talk like you are more skillful then the CV makers themself.

[Dark Geese]

I am talking about these SNK combovid makers..many of them are just that..combovid makers..they can do the combo but they cant tell you about a certain matchup??????

That doesnt add up does it?????????????????????????????? Hell they cant even tell you how to play the character at a high level!!! Something smells fishy here...PHONY!!!!!!

And about the first thing..hmmm lets see..I work on a measly teacher salary..so trust me I know about work..I have a full-time job...and guess what..I have found a way to get it done....

Do what you gotta do..

Now stepping outside of that I understand some may not be in situations that permit that..but..

Show the effort the desire at least to do it...

And work towards that goal..and it will happen.

Let me tell you something about me..

A year ago I was almost at rock-bottom financially..couldnt do shit..lost my car..lost my job, got kicked out of Grad School, almost lost my house..

But I kept at it....had my goals above me..to do what Im doing now..and guess what..

I found a Way...to do what I'm doing now and be pretty good financially now...

That is what I am talking about.....

Some people have no goals or don't know how to go about getting them...

[<---SiNN--->]

maybe too many of these combovid makers are just casual gamers..have you thought of it that way??


Believe it or not casual gamers keep the scene alive.At my arcade we have a good scene,everyone there is causal.That what keeps the scene alive.But agreeing CV makers should stop making videos,going to kill the scene faster like you ever imagine.You say you are for helping the scene,I dont see how thats helping.

But some fighting games are not meant for CV's,I can agree on that if you saying from that direction.Like dbz games for example.But CV's helps gets people into the game with it being a tutorial or just flashy combos.It's a local player here where I'm from use to make marvel videos,and people seen his videos in our city and the marvel scene increase alot here.Also I seen some umk3 CV's,shit it's a old game,but I wanna play it now,I didn't know the game was the broken.All I'm saying CV's has it's effects,without em,and their manner updates,,that's one less thing to help the scene.

[Dark Geese]

Okay we see eye to eye now....especially with the last part..:lovin:

I can totally agree with you..thats one way to help the scene I agree..:tup:

I just wish more of these combovid makers would go play in tournies...

Its like I can agree with inkblot and see where he is coming from with his thread...some seek fame from CMVs or Money matches ignoring Tournaments altogether...and we gotta remind them there is no "Get rich quick scheme", they've gotta put the hard work in like all the rest of us.

I teach people fighting games, one thing I cant stand is the fickle person..the person that expects to be the best "overnight", or believes they will be able to beat me overnight..but gets frustrated and quits the next week because it aint happening as fast as they thought. That bothers me...EVERYONE has their ups and downs..even the Mighty Justin Wong IN MARVEL. I say good for him..because I know he had to bust his ass to get in that position!

Hard work pays off there is no substitute for it!

But if this is just their way to help promote the scene (Like Thongboy Bebop) I have the utmost respect for them..

Kudos Thongboy Bebop...:china:

The legit Combovid makers I respect..its the phonies that I can't stand..

[UltraDavid]

Combovideo people are killing the scene!!! @_@_@_@_@_@_@O+O~+!O~
Hey! Don't copy my avatar! :rofl:

[Thongboy Bebop]

Thank you damn..the fucking truth...someone rep this man!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :rock:

Like I said I can't even watch CMVs anymore really...for this purpose..how many Combovid makers are top players?????????

Very few... (Their little "toys" do the work in the vids as I said before)


Haha, Magnetro.

someone should make a combovid tutorial on how to make good combovids :wow:

Not a horrible idea. If I wasn't like 10 videos behind at the moment I'd jump on it.


But if this is just their way to help promote the scene (Like Thongboy Bebop) I have the utmost respect for them..

Kudos Thongboy Bebop...:china:



Aww shucks. Thanks yo.

I just try to make videos people would want to see, ya know? I figured that since the content was so dry (but SO necessary), people just needed a hook to make it digest better. Much unlike the next video, which is pretty much completely defined by the content with minimal assistance from my overhyped editing skills.

By the way I understand time, the it'll be out in a few hours. In normal people time I think that means tomorrow morning or late tonight.

N - Ultra, you're up next.

[Wai]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-KzQahaf0o

[Magnetro]

Very few... (Their little "toys" do the work in the vids as I said before)

Their shit is as practical as the guy who thinks he'll beat me, Faust, JeRon, the Triad, etc in NGBC or in any SNK game just because he can beat the Boss on Level 8..

HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :rofl: :rofl:


:rofl::rofl::rofl:


+++ to dander, indeed.


Haha, Magnetro.


What about KYSG, his little toy does all the work for him. His shit is as practical as the guy who thinks he can beat me just because he gets an MSF on every fight in arcade mode (dander)

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :rofl: :rofl:




:rofl::rofl::rofl:

[jchensor]

One thing people fail to realize is that, for most Combo Video makers, making a Combo Video has nothing to do with competitive gaming. I don't make Combo Videos because I think I'll make myself a better player, nor do I think it'll make other people better players. I make Combo Videos because it's FUN, I like doing video editing projects, and I happen to have a subject by which I can make a video with the resources and finance that I have that is intersting to lots of people. It's a hobby separate from being competitive.

And THEN, if a Combo Video maker wants to be competitive, he'll play on the side as well. I used to practice a whole lot, going to SHGL once every week when it was still around, but I still made Combo Videos at th same time. They are unrelated. I hate it when people harp on Combo Video makers for being "average" players. So what? They aren't doing Combo Videos to scare people or threaten people at how Godly they are. They are doing it for entertainment purposes.

(And I am talking specifically about Combo Videos. Tutorial Videos, obviously, serve a very different purpose.)

- James
http://jchensor.blogspot.com

[Thongboy Bebop]

(And I am talking specifically about Combo Videos. Tutorial Videos, obviously, serve a very different purpose.)

- James
http://jchensor.blogspot.com

Well yeah. Everybody already knows I'm great.

N
welovefranke.tripod.com

[Xenozip.]

Combo videos designed for entertainment purposes can be fun to watch. Such as wacky or impractical content with a good editing and such.

Though, combo videos can also serve the same (or better) purpose as a written combo FAQ, too. A video representation can serve to help people with timing/spacing and situational combos.

A text based transcript like [c.LP]x2, LK xx qcf+HP-HP-d+HK, (VC2), OTG 360+K, rdp+LP-HP (hp whiffs), [DP+HP, qcf+HP-toward+HP (qcf whiffs)]xN

etc.. doesn't mean a whole lot to people when you just write it. But if you can show them the combo then maybe they can learn the timing and spacing for it. That example combo fails unless you time the OTG perfectly.

Honestly I watch combo videos for two reasons: to see a game I've never played before, or to learn combos from characters I don't play.

I guess when I make videos I make them for both entertainment and education. Though in my case I hope the content is enough to provide entertainment on it's own. I rather it be a combo video than a combo movie, so to speak.

[Pained Auron]

snip

snip



so umm are you guys ever making another video? maybe another a3 video xeno?


EDIT: how much money did you lose thongboy for not having your new video out by the new year?

[ToyRobotTerror]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-KzQahaf0o
oh god:confused:

[goodm0urning]

And THEN, if a Combo Video maker wants to be competitive, he'll play on the side as well. I used to practice a whole lot, going to SHGL once every week when it was still around, but I still made Combo Videos at th same time. They are unrelated. I hate it when people harp on Combo Video makers for being "average" players. So what? They aren't doing Combo Videos to scare people or threaten people at how Godly they are. They are doing it for entertainment purposes.I don't know if it happens so much nowadays, but in the heyday of the Alpha series, it seemed like a lot of stuff that Americans deemed "for entertainment purposes" and "impractical" for competitive play ended up being used--very competitively--by Japanese players.

I don't remember exactly, since it's been a while and a lot of my braincells have died since then, but I'm pretty sure the first time I ever heard of Demon Flip VCs or Genei Jin combos were from exhibition videos, not tourney play. So I think the entertaining combo videos have a lot more instructional value to them than might first meet the eye. The just-for-fun stuff and the practical stuff are no longer so easily separable.

[Yenian]

I don't know if it happens so much nowadays, but in the heyday of the Alpha series, it seemed like a lot of stuff that Americans deemed "for entertainment purposes" and "impractical" for competitive play ended up being used--very competitively--by Japanese players.

I don't remember exactly, since it's been a while and a lot of my braincells have died since then, but I'm pretty sure the first time I ever heard of Demon Flip VCs or Genei Jin combos were from exhibition videos, not tourney play. So I think the entertaining combo videos have a lot more instructional value to them than might first meet the eye. The just-for-fun stuff and the practical stuff are no longer so easily separable.

I suppose it may depend on whether the combo is possible in actual play. Speaking from a very limited experience, most of the Guilty Gear Combo vids I see (for instance) are done in training mode, with unlimited tension, or free counter hits, or whatever. It makes for very amusing things, but they are completely outside the limits of actual play, since you're playing with greatly expanded resources.

I tend to think that 'difficulty of execution' should never be considered in a balancing argument though. If stuff is effective and will help you win, people WILL learn it, no matter how hard it is to do. Sort of a related discussion.

[Xenozip.]

so umm are you guys ever making another video? maybe another a3 video xeno?

Yeah, I would like to. I've been posting little clippits in this thread here (http://forums.shoryuken.com/showthread.php?t=116591) for SFA3. Mostly V-ism combos. Not a movie production, just videos.

I'm also working on contributing combos for a combo video collaboration for Monster. Won't be my video, I'm just helping with combos for it. Though I'd *really* like to do a SF3:3S video for Ibuki, I just don't know when I'll get to it (massive project, like the Guy video).

Another thing I'd like to make eventually is a tech-trapping, guard breaks, and guard crushes audio tutorial for SFA3 similar in nature to Sirlin's ST tutorials (explaining the whys and hows).

[Emil]

I suppose it may depend on whether the combo is possible in actual play. Speaking from a very limited experience, most of the Guilty Gear Combo vids I see (for instance) are done in training mode, with unlimited tension, or free counter hits, or whatever. It makes for very amusing things, but they are completely outside the limits of actual play, since you're playing with greatly expanded resources.

They put infinite tension, but they still use as much tension that is actually possible. Training mode without infinite tension isn't a good idea since it takes a few tries to perform a good combo, and thus would require combo makers to keep refilling their tension the "legit" way.

[jchensor]

Heh. There was a way I cheated with Guilty Gear training Modes for that. I gave myself a normal meter, but gave myself Infinite BURST. So whenever I needed to start again, I would run up and Gold Burst to get my meter back, and then continue.

And most of the time in GG videos, when they get those multiple Counter Hits in a row, they do it by pumping the opponent's Guard meter alllll the way up. So it's a REALLY specific situation, but it is "possible". But that's how almost 95% of the 100% damage combos are done in that game in Combo Videos.

- James
http://jchensor.blogstpo.com

[Magnetro]

James, this gives you a reason to use Ayumi Hamasaki - Evolution for your trailer. http://forums.shoryuken.com/showpost.php?p=3876459&postcount=314

another arcade in CA is closing! :^( and its not FFA like everyone thinks :^(

[Pinnochio]

Not to sound like an old geezer here, but I remember back in the days really good combo videos like Joo Vol 1 and 2, where it was just 3 seconds of intro and 2 minutes of combos and 3 seconds of credits.

[Siedler]

Are people still using 'sandstorm' in combo videos? :confused:

Oh, and brazilian combo makers should really take notes from this thread :rofl:
Yep, some problem? Can you do better?

And I was planning on using Des-Row and BeForU for an upcoming Samurai Showdown 4 combo vid.
:tup:

I admit to putting in 1 anime clip in one of my first videos 4 years ago -sobs-

And to doing nightwish in a couple videos too. Maybe I can ask for the community to give me songs to put in there lol.

gues I'm doing better lol
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sLZ_2m_-eK0
Nice vid. I particularly like animes in some parts of vid combos, but nothing excessive.

Combovideo people are killing the scene!!! @_@_@_@_@_@_@O+O~+!O~
Yep...

someone should make a combovid tutorial on how to make good combovids :wow:
I´m curious about it.

=============
My complete feedback later... :wonder:

[Hydra632]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IvcgdhfinWI&

[Robot-Hero]

Polarity, first thing.

In my mind, isn't fair, you use my old projects as reference to explain your indignation with that style of combo movies.

I know, my old CMs was ridiculous and horrible, but I was excessively young and didn't understand absolutely nothing about cmv production.

Today, that kind of video, boring me.
Today, the simple things and clean combo videos is the best way and the best choice to me.

But , YOU NEED, respect the peoples, include editors, and everyone that like work and produce videos with focus in edition, exotic musics ( why not ? ) and other things... It's an option... You can hate, it's your problem, repeating "IT'S YOUR PROBLEM" if you dislike of that videos, don't download, it's simple, right ?

In Cyberfanatix website, and in SNK community, ( in specially KOF Community ) The video editors stay working hard to improve your skills, because it, that videos have long intros, many effects fx and more things.

But in my opinion, if I hate that kind of videos, why I will go download ?
You have your opinion and I have the mine, but I never disrespected anyone because of different tastes

Yes, you have a mother, maybe her gave to you education or need teach you how respect different tastes, different peoples and different ways to do the same things.

Sorry for my poor, basic and horrible english.

Oh, and brazilian combo makers should really take notes from this thread
:confused: tsc... tsc... tsc

[polarity]

im only offering constructive criticism its not like i can make everyone adhere to my views, nor am i trying to belittle anyone's efforts

[Emil]

Hey Robot-Hero, you released anything new after Genesis? I liked that Genesis combo video.

[Return of Shiki]

Every combovid maker needs to have as good musical taste as jchensor.
Otherwise, just stick with the fucking in-game music.
Also, quit with the random anime shit that has nothing with the game you're playing.

That's all I've got to say.

[FatalFuryD]

Thank you damn..the fucking truth...someone rep this man!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :rock:

Like I said I can't even watch CMVs anymore really...for this purpose..how many Combovid makers are top players?????????

Very few... (Their little "toys" do the work in the vids as I said before)

Their shit is as practical as the guy who thinks he'll beat me, Faust, JeRon, the Triad, etc in NGBC or in any SNK game just because he can beat the Boss on Level 8..

HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :rofl: :rofl:

Don't matter if we're top players or not. Some games don't even have top players in the U.S. scene to contact(they play, but just by themselves or they prefer not to share their info/profiles) to begin with.. EFZ, Metrimelee and the rest of PI, Martial Masters, Variable Geo, Melty Blood, etc to name a few. I don't know about others, but the stuff in my video at least are what I really use in tournaments and I had some success with those, even though I have really bad executions. A valid strategy is a valid one no matter who uses it.
Why do yall care so much about music, though? I mean, seriously. Its job is to keep the viewers not fall asleep, and that's all there is to it, the way I see it. Compare to visual footages, what happens in audio is neglectable, unless there's some sort of special things revolving around audio. In my case, I basically put the footages together, take a look at the duration, and slap in bgm that most closely matches the length of the video. No need to be anal about shit.

[Return of Shiki]

Why do yall care so much about music, though? I mean, seriously.

Because 98% of combovid makers pick some of the shittiest music I've ever heard to put into their videos...seriously </quiche>

[jchensor]

I would like to address Robot Hero's concerns. I compeltely understand where he is coming from. As a Combo Video maker, I understand the drive of making Combo Videos: it's fun to do Combos and it's fun to edit. This is why we all do it even though we, essentially, get nothing out of it. Which is why it hurts, obviously, when someone criticizes your work.

At one point, I was determined to make a Combo Video for Vampire Savior, but the problem was that I wasn't interested in Combos anymore. I was onmly intersted in making a cool video where the actions on the screen matched the music (beats, lyrics, etc.). So I was gonna have Combos in it, of course, but I wasn't interested in making crazy Combos (this philosophy eventually led to the 2-Hit Combo). I was only interested in making a "music video" per se.

I honestly think that the videos that Robot Hero make are easy targets for Combo Video purists. But from an editor's standpoint, their technical skills are unrivaled in the community. Some of the things they do are extremely impressive, but they do detract from the Combos themselves... the main reason people watch them.

When I wanted to make my Vampire Savior video, I was determined to not call it a Combo Video, but rather a Combo Music Video to try and distinguish it from a typical Combo Video. I wanted to give it the implication that, yes there are combos, but no it's not the most important thing. The editing is. It's for a differnet audience.

I think that's what Robot Hero's work should be classified as. No directly a Combo Video, but more a Combo Music Video. So I think it deserves its own set of criteria on how it should be critiqued. In terms of being your standard Combo Video, admittedly, there is a lot to nitpick about it. But I think it's unfair to not recognize the good things that it does do.

- James
http://jchensor.blogspot.com

[power333]

Great post. I don't like combovideos for the most part, because they usually don't help at all with strategy or practical play.

Other people may like it because they like cool combos, and only the combos. They don't care how ugly the video is, if you can see all the combos asap.

And others like to see a nice video, where the music goes well with the combos, or some animations appear here now and then.

I even have to admit that those japanese crazy match video on You Tube were crazy interesting. The guy outs cartoon special effects in the middle of the fights and all becomes really interesting.


All in all, there are different types of videos, for diff types of players.

But Polarity made a nice post. I understand that its humor made it cruel for some people, but the tips are mostly pretty good for the majority of combo video fans, IMO, and it may help who wants to appeal to a larger crowd.

[_MJ_#R]

Because 98% of combovid makers pick some of the shittiest music I've ever heard to put into their videos...seriously </quiche>


lawl :rofl: :lol:

[TS]

So I repeat, don't waste your time here, everyone knows this forum suck and SRK is short for Stupid Retarded Kids.

Maybe you should stop coming here.

[NiGhTmArE®]

Maybe you should stop coming here.

I just post here in the funny SNK related threads, bcuz this forum and 90% of the users are funny when they speak about SNK games, so I dont get bored in my forced home staying days :rofl:.

[Tizoc]

Ya know now that I think about it, polaris you should make a similar post like this in Cyberfanatix.com cuz some/most of their combos have what u were mentioning in the first post.

[Siedler]

Ya know now that I think about it, polaris you should make a similar post like this in Cyberfanatix.com cuz some/most of their combos have what u were mentioning in the first post.

Great idea dude! I liked this post because had some ideas about CMV, but i desliked the flames... I will edit soon and I will use some animes and some sound tracks of movies like 300 etc. :angel:

[BlakHayato]

Is it even possible to make a good combo vid with rap/hip-hop music.... I haven't seen any yet. I hear some tracks and I think they could work, but they are hard to find. (too much unrelated/distracting subject matter.)

[MiyagiShin X]

Theres a couple guilty gear ones that work out with rap... o wait its Rand B so never mind...

[TheOrgy]

Anime scenes have nothing to do in a combo video but for everything else that has been said here I'd hang you all. I'm gonna talk about kof combo videos, because rarely I've downloaded combo videos of other fighting games. You weren't there to see when all the combos that appeared in cmvs were basic and practical, in the first 2 years when the combo videos scene was still growing. When it grew and a lot of groups started to make combo videos they disemboweled it discovering and putting in videos all the possible variations of each combo that the game had. Then when the human limits started to get in the way of the creativity and the urge for more and better videos that the community claimed, the external tools such as software that helps you to program inputs began to appear, and the combos became more and more conditional, given that there weren't many new things that you could do to add hits in a combo that hadn't been done already. Why do you come now to cliche them relating conditional combos with good edition? It's like the fact that many here have a distorted idea about kof because they have never had where to develop their skill playing to see if it is good and why. The 5 minute intros have never bothered me, I can simply click on when the combos begin (but I usually don't since I enjoy watching everything), the credits don't bother me either, I could just close it when I know that the combos finish passing. The music is generally fine unless it's annoying metal/rock or too much jap pop. What does the video edition have of bad? it's just to celebrate the quality of the combos. Really some of the things that I've read here make me think that some are jealous.

[polarity]

the editing distracts from the combos, it doesnt 'celebrate' them :/

[jinsaotome800]

i agree mostly with the intro...but sometimes the intro is done so well that i jsut dont care. One of the best ones i can remember is the 3s tutorial with shenmue in the beginning

[Thongboy Bebop]

Hee hee.

N

[Atb_555]

Just been browsing through this thread and I agree with most of what people say however with regards to effects I don't mind them as long as they work well and go in theme with the combo vid and music. Eg:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UnPAvkRruGA&mode=related&search=

I actually like this combo vid alot.

But random shout outs mid way through a combo vid is gay as hell and needs to stop. Random anime pics are kinda stupid too.

Imo combo vids come in two distinct categories:
1. To educate (simple)
2. To amaze (its this type that is full of shitty OTT editing)

[Master Bigode]

Robot-Hero: Don't waste your time here. Everyone knows you're a great editor, but you know, there always someone who's like to blame shit about others. Envious people and shit. So I repeat, don't waste your time here, everyone knows this forum suck and SRK is short for Stupid Retarded Kids.

Yes, this forum sucks because 98% of the threads aren't about KOF 2k2.

everyone knows this forum suck and SRK is short for Stupid Retarded Kids.
It's just unoriginal.

[Siedler]

Anime scenes have nothing to do in a combo video but for everything else that has been said here I'd hang you all.
I used anime in this CMV, but not Excessive and the combos are bored. :looney:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3pHsGtF3OAc

[Emil]

I used anime in this CMV, but not Excessive and the combos are bored. :looney:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3pHsGtF3OAc

Btw, those combos are kind of basic for today's kof videos. I'm not sure when you actually released this video but many of those combos are back from like 2003 and have been done by me in actual matches.

But anyway, the editing is reasonable I guess, but I thought Maxima's "anime scene" that you gave him was kind of lame looking.

Edit: But...it doesn't seem like you used macros for this video, which many new combo videos do use, so that's good.

[Jida]

SNIP

Why do people think that anyone owes them congrats just because they worked (hard) on something? If it sucks, it sucks. Old or not. It's not like he says you still suck (if he did I didn't catch it; and if he did maybe you actually dO). Respect (for your craft at least) is earned. If we dislike it, that's YOUR problem, cuz we're NOT downloading OR watching it for over half of a minute. And I don't think you put in all that hard work to be ignored, did you? Instead of just lashing out because someone didn't like your stuff, maybe you could reanalyze your approach to video game media.

All that anime shit is irrelevant. All that bad music is distra