Can someone please explain...

[Digitalbooty]

Why doesn't anyone like CFE/CFJ? There might already be a thread about this, if there is, can someone please point me in it's direction?

[Master Chibi]

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh hhhhhhhhh

It's because they don't want to, that's it.

GAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAaaaaahhhh hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[platinum_pinoy]

It's just a rehash of other games compiled, but done poorly. Honestly, it feels like they took characters from other games, didn't consider the character mechanics from those games (ie. Yun Genei Jin or Sakura A3 custom combo), and forced the CvS2 fighting engine unto them and eliminated CvS2 roll cancel.

[Demon Dash]

It's just a rehash of other games compiled, but done poorly. Honestly, it feels like they took characters from other games, didn't consider the character mechanics from those games (ie. Yun Genei Jin or Sakura A3 custom combo), and forced the CvS2 fighting engine unto them and eliminated CvS2 roll cancel.
Exactly, it's basically everything we've seen before, except worse...

[Allosaurus]

Lack of characters+ Half-assed graphics/stages etc. When my arcade got it people where all like "ZOMG WHUR ISH KEN!?" So yeah in addition some chars had certain things removed/tweaked EX: Urien or Yun that made them unplayable for certain people

Hauzer is AWESOME.

[FSgamer]

There have been other threads about this already, try doing a search.

CFJ isn't as bad as most people say. It's just that the original games are better. Maybe, if CFJ had been released 7-8 years ago it might had been a successful game, but considering that it came out in 2004, after games like CvS2 & MvC2, it ended up disappointing most players. On the bright side, CFJ inspired SNK to create NGBC.

[tonchopilatos510]

There have been other threads about this already, try doing a search.

CFJ isn't as bad as most people say. It's just that the original games are better. Maybe, if CFJ had been released 7-8 years ago it might had been a successful game, but considering that it came out in 2004, after games like CvS2 & MvC2, it ended up disappointing most players. On the bright side, CFJ inspired SNK to create NGBC.

u have a point even the worst games can sometimes be good if not in gameplay... helping out the creative minds of snk in creating such a masterpice of a game like ngbc!

[Digitalbooty]

Do you guys think it's broken or not competitivly playable? I'm just curious. I haven't played it much, but it seemed like an ok game from vids and stuff.

[FSgamer]

http://forums.shoryuken.com/search.php?searchid=870064
http://forums.shoryuken.com/showthread.php?t=116982

[Digitalbooty]

http://forums.shoryuken.com/search.php?searchid=870064
http://forums.shoryuken.com/showthread.php?t=116982


thanks

[Xenozip.]

Yeah, I play games for the gameplay, not the aesthetics.

That being said, Campcom Fighting Jam/Evolution was just a very boring game due to the way some characters were designed.

It was very boring and aggravating to fight Leo, Nool(hydron), and Mukuro(kenji). They had really long safe abusable pokes, stupid rushdown traps, and their ultimate guard was just fucking dumb. Fighting Urien, Karin, Jedah, and Anakaris was also unfortunately no fun at all. I much rather fight those characters in the respective games they came from.

The aesthetics also being horrible was just an additional downside. The music and announcer and sound effects were all pretty horrible, the backgrounds were dull and stupid, and the sprites weren't upgraded with any new animations or shading or anything (they were just strait up rehashed).

[Dark Geese]

Now I am a huge Karin fan and player...so I like CFJ for the sole purpose that its got KARIN and she fits in the CVS2 engine better than A3!! And yes, it did inspire the other game we could talk about in my thread why people aint totally in it yet..NGBC.

But thats another story of course.

Give Karin some Reppukens and shes FEMALE GEESE!:rock:

Then with NGBC SNK made-

-Better music
-Very fun game
-More characters
-Toned down SVC engine and SVC characters.
-Pretty well balanced game even after almost 2 years of playing it hardcore at the highest level its a well balanced game overall.


So all this shit you all are talking about yes its as if SNK saw what Capcom did and decided to do it their way with NGBC..correcting things Capcom didnt have going for it with CFE/J.

[Juggy]

Jedah and Anakaris.

[Allosaurus]

Stupidity

Get that shit outta here...if people wanna play SNK games they will play. STFU already.

Xenozip is on point. CFJ is'nt broken by any means it's just boring and dull.

[Dark Geese]

Well AF it is a good chance to talk about it you know..once again don't hate on me...

Its a good time to talk about NGBC briefly and why not? Matter of fact I aint the one that mentioned it but oh noes of course you wanna take a shot at me..

How strange....so you say STFU I say STFU back atcha :rofl:

[Demon Dash]

@ hk, hk, hk, hk, hk, hk, hk, hk, hk FTW...

[polarity]

seriously dark geese shut the fuck up

[Dark Geese]

And I say STFU back to you. If you dont like it DONT READ IT.

Hard concept aint it?????????? You still hate on me because of years ago anyways ....

Now back on topic...

Karin is great in CFE like I was saying..give her a repukken and she'd be Geese!

She's the main reason I enjoy playing it to this day..Ingrid reminds me of an SNK character actually..I find her rather fun to play as!

Anymore Ingrid players out there?

[Gasp]

seriously though we're talking about CFE not ngbc ngbc is irrelevant to this

its fun i like it :D

[Dark Geese]

Do you guys think they should even bother with a sequel to CFE though??? If Capcom takes their time with it they can surely make it better...or all they had to do was make an upgrade for it like they did with SF2 and 3 and make the game better/more fun.

And should they put tagging in the sequel etc or keep it how its like "Choose before the round/fake tagging?"

[Xenozip.]

-snip- Please try and stay on topic, even if it is a defunct one. Character similarities isn't a good enough excuse to hijack the thread.

Re Ingrid: I started liking Ingrid and getting good with her at one point until I realized how much I actually hated both her and the game anyway. Problem with her is that she didn't have the same offensive tools everyone else did, so her damage curve was much lower than everyone else's. She had some nice mixups and oki stuff, but the implied damage wasn't up to par with everyone else's and her mixup game was only "good" not "great" to begin with. The other problem is her defense was also really gimmicky and not nearly as solid as some of the top tiers. She was really only fun if you enjoyed pestering the shit out of your opponent, and not necessarily winning.

Do you guys think they should even bother with a sequel to CFE though??? If Capcom takes their time with it they can surely make it better...or all they had to do was make an upgrade for it like they did with SF2 and 3 and make the game better/more fun.

And should they put tagging in the sequel etc or keep it how its like "Choose before the round/fake tagging?"
Update, fuck no. Upgrade, yeah I could see how they could make it work. Most Capcom sequels are definitely better than their prequels.

There was a bit of an interesting metagame in CFJ where you might pick a specific character to counter a specific matchup, or pick a character to be a battery for your next character.

However, it really wasn't particularly that deep. Once people figured out what was top tier then that's all they picked. I could see that happening no matter what, since it pretty much happens in every other team game. The whole blind-pick is a little silly to me anyway. Do you really want a game where flipping a coin before the match starts could make the difference between win or lose? Personally I rather depend on actual skill, you know?

As for the battery thing, it's really no more deep than CvS2 or MvC2's battery system, except in CFJ you didn't actually need a battery since there was a pool of characters who were extremely strong on their own.

But, I did kind of like how they tried to implement character play styles from their other games. Problem is they didn't spend enough time balancing it. Ultimate Guard really hurt the game pretty bad, and super cancels and parries made it so Urien could dominate pretty easily. Even if the rest of the cast was "good", the character designs and game mechanics didn't mesh particularly well. The other problem was they took what was good about the mechanics of each game and changed them for the worse, not for better. I mean, what made the SFA3, Vampire, and SF3 characters fun got totally hosed. And by hosed I mean they simplified it too much, which didn't make it better, it just made it stupid. Same fate as Soul Calibur 3, if you're familiar with that game's history -- they took what was fun and interesting about each character and butchered it by dumbing it down entirely.

Of course the real magic trick would be finding a way to make it fun. Who really knows the formula for that?

[Corner-Trap]

The game didn't come out how everyone "wanted" it to be so they bitched and complained for a long time. Once they figured out their whining wasn't going to change anything they decided to just stop playing.

[Allosaurus]

Could'nt you just throw people outta UG?

[Xenozip.]

Could'nt you just throw people outta UG?
You can get close to the Warzard (Red Earth) characters?

On a serious note, didn't matter. Please excuse me for not wanting to go into details, I'm a little worn out of talking about game mechanics due to the parry thread. But in fact, it's technically stronger than a 3S parry.

[Dr. Deelite]

Can we please avoid GameFAQs syndrome of having to open a thread to know what it's about? Better title next time.

[Allosaurus]

You can get close to the Warzard (Red Earth) characters?


Ya got me...wait even Hauzer had something to keep people away? HK I'm assuming.

[Master Bigode]

You can get close to the Warzard (Red Earth) characters?

Not even close to it.
If some day you have the opportunity to play Warzard, you'll fell surprised.

[FSgamer]

Do you guys think they should even bother with a sequel to CFE though??? If Capcom takes their time with it they can surely make it better...or all they had to do was make an upgrade for it like they did with SF2 and 3 and make the game better/more fun.

And should they put tagging in the sequel etc or keep it how its like "Choose before the round/fake tagging?"
I think a sequel it's unlikely to happen.

However, I think it would be cool if they made a sequel, re-work the game system, add more stuff, more characters, maybe even characters for other games, including non-fighting games (they did it with MvC2, why not this one?). I agree w/ you, the character switching system in CFE doesn't make much sense, maybe a 2-on-2 tag team would be better.