PS2: A 2D fighting fan's dream come true?

[Bill Wood]

I didn't think I would ever type the words that make up this topic, but when it's all said and done, a Sony system may end up going down in history as one of the best consoles for 2D fighting games... ever. You may be thinking to yourself "big deal" or even "bullshit". After all, if you've been around since the PSOne days or ever cursed at SCEA on a public message board, you'll know just how ridiculous that sounds. I certainly didn't think it would ever happen.

But think about it for a sec. Back in the earliest days of the PS/Saturn wars, it was obvious the Saturn was the choice for 2D fighting fans. I personally bought the system solely for the fighters, and it's still hooked up to one of my TVs to this day. The Saturn was much better suited for 2D than the PS, and the import 4 Meg cart reduced the loading times to virtually nil. And if you happened to import, you had a terrific selection of both Capcom and SNK fighters (as well as a few random Data East titles and such). Then along came the Dreamcast, and with it a whole new slew of brilliant fighting game conversions. I think a lot of us felt at the time (myself included) that the Dreamcast would always be THE definitive console for 2D fighters. In some ways, it still is I suppose.

But's let's take a serious, non-objective look at the PS2. Not at SCEA, whose general distaste for the genre has already been well noted, but at the system's fighting games on the whole, both domestic and import. Let's see, off the top of my head (no research here nosirree) you have the SF Anniversary Collection (which features a great conversion of one of my all-time favorites, Third Strike), MvC2, CvS2, four or five versions of Guilty Gear, the Capcom Collection discs, the Darkstalkers compilation, as well as SNK standalones and compilations of Art of Fighting, Fatal Fury (x2), King of Fighters (x2), Last Blade, World Heroes, Fu'un Super Combo and Samurai Shodown. And this doesn't even include one-offs such as Hokuto No Ken, Melty Blood, Rumble Fish, Spectral vs. Generation and the Power Instinct game. I'm pretty sure I've only touched on about 75% of these games, but you get the idea.

I don't know about you, but I think that's one impressive list up there. Granted, not every game is top-notch (notice I didn't mention SvC), nor are the PS2 versions even the best versions available in some cases (i.e. MvC2/DC). Still, when it's all said and done, the PS2 library of 2D fighting games is undoubtedbly the biggest and the best out there. Sure, there are a few random people who will still flaunt their NeoGeo systems, but good luck getting a Capcom game to play on one of those.

Still, people like to complain about the PS2 fighting game situation, and in particular SCEA's refusal to bring each and every fighting game to the U.S. And to that I say "since when was this ever an issue"? Seriously, did people complain this much when Sega U.S. refused to bring these games to the domestic Saturn, even when there was nothing left to play? For the most part the answer is "no", people did what they had to do and made their consoles import-ready. It's no different with the PS2, get a flip-top and you're set. No online? Well, I understand the times have changed, but the Saturn wasn't exactly a broadband monster either, and people still managed to find a way to play one another (without complaining about lag no less).

And even if you refuse to touch an import, the fact is a good majority of these titles are either available in the U.S. or will be shortly. All of the Street Fighter games are readily available, and SNK is even bringing the Art of Fighting and Fatal Fury comps Stateside. Who'd have thought that would ever happen? Certainly not me. And if these games actually happen to sell well, who knows? Could we finally get the Samurai Shodown and King of Fighters compilations we've been waiting for? Why not? If SNK is willing to take a chance in the States on a mediocre series such as AoF, why not a more successful franchise like Samurai Shodown?

The good news is that with the Xbox360, the Wii and the PS3, I believe the future looks even brighter for 2D fighters. Sure it's a bit slow now, but we may soon have the option of downloading all of these games directly to our consoles and playing online effortlessly, and that will indeed be a thing of beauty. I guess the point here is that even though they may have seen their arcade prime, there really has never been a better time to play fighting games on a console. The big surprise is that the console maker isn't Sega. Last month, I finally unhooked my Dreamcast after I realized I hadn't touched it for months. And while I certainly don't expect folks to get all weepy about their beloved PS2s like they did their Saturns and Dreamcasts, they should at the very least realize how good they have it right now.

[DS]

Maybe in Japan it's the best 2D fighting machine. But, in America, that's a different story. We didn't get ALL of the fighters that came out.

Importing is the key, if you want to play all of the 2D fighters out there.

PS2(America):

CvS2
MvC2
ST(CCC2)
SFAA
AE(with 3S)

Which KOFs came out so far in America for the PS2? Other than that, importing is your best bet.

[Vynce]

I'm glad to own PS2 ports of all the games I owned years earlier on the Dreamcast. Moreso, I'm glad I own a flip-top.

[#reload]

the 3d ones (in regards to kof's)

[Khiempossible]

dc>ps2 for 2d fighters.

[DongHwan]

hows the latency on xbox live for 3s?

im thinking of investing in an xbox/360 just for 3rd strike, but im scared i won't play it since the lag will be terrible.

[Superking]

dc>ps2 for 2d fighters.

Other than MvC2, you're wrong on all fronts. :wonder:

[Master Chibi]

And ironically enough 80% of the community doesn't own a PS2.

:looney: :looney: :looney:

[Dark Geese]

Maybe in Japan it's the best 2D fighting machine. But, in America, that's a different story. We didn't get ALL of the fighters that came out.

Importing is the key, if you want to play all of the 2D fighters out there.



Which KOFs came out so far in America for the PS2? Other than that, importing is your best bet.

The truth.

And Kyoji is right..talk about closest to perfect Arcade translations for SNK...

For like 90% of the SNK games for whatever reason..
DC>PS2.


PS2 2k2- Not even playable! :tdown:
Ps2 Last Blade? Horrible. :tdown: x2


SNK is doing its best with PS2 with its Atomiswave versions..KOFXI, NGBC, NeoWave, SST..with not even NeoWave on PS2 being arcade perfect!!!! And NGBC ain't either..though they all are close enough that you can use them for tournaments..(This is something I do trust me on this!!!)

But PS2 for KOF2002? Hahaha..don't even try!!!

The more SNK gives me for America the more I promote..I have gotten more to import than to wait and they see it is worth the time.


KOF2002 is a touchy subject. You got people in Mexico and the rest of the globe that can't understand why we dont like the game in general. I love it...but the US got a shitty, horrible graphics, pathetic controls PS2 version that people see..the DC version was GREAT..but how many play that today????????????

[tl613]

the 3d ones (in regards to kof's)

Also the KOF 02/03 collection.

[Demon Dash]

PS2 for the amount of games, Dreamcast for being the exact same hardware (CvS2/MvC2)...

[ytwojay]

PS2(America):

MvC2

Fail.

[DS]

Fail.


I'm just listing what came out in America for the PS2. Unfortunately, that was one of the games.

*hugs his DC*

[The Grey Ghost]

dc>ps2 for 2d fighters.

Word. :tup:

[chopa]

KOF 00/01 were also on the PS2 in the US

[ILLiterate]

Also the KOF 02/03 collection.Not to mention 00/01 which I love with all my heart

EDIT: Darn, beat me too it

Yes, I would call the PS2 best for OVERALL library, but port quality, eh no

[Riot.EXE]

PS2 + Hard Drive + HDAdvance = Bliss.

[True Grave]

And ironically enough 80% of the community doesn't own a PS2.

:looney: :looney: :looney:

Wait...are you saying that 80% of SRK members do not own a PS2?

Whoa, i highly doubt that claim :sweat:

PS2 + Hard Drive + HDAdvance = Bliss.

While the ability to use a Hard Drive with the PS2 is indeed a kickass feature, that is hardly relevant to the subject of 2D games on the PS2.

[The Epidemic]

Wait...are you saying that 80% of SRK members do not own a PS2?

Whoa, i highly doubt that one :sweat:



While the ability to use a Hard Drive with the PS2 is indeed a kickass feature, that is hardly relevant to the subject of 2D games on the PS2.

i have two ps2s....ones eng the other is jap...hell over the years i must of bought like 4-5 ps2 altogether:looney:

[Mizuki]

Wonder where is that one dude who got annihilated. SW?

[True Grave]

i have two ps2s....ones eng the other is jap...hell over the years i must of bought like 4-5 ps2 altogether:looney:

Perhaps master Master Chibi was referring to a community other than SRK, however i haven't a clue what 'other place' that might be.

He was not specific either so i just assumed he was speaking of SRK at the time.

[plasmakill]

Well, in terms of domestic releases I think PS2 is outclassed by both the DC and Xbox. Oh and fuck Sony, fuck them for turning videogames into the bullshit circus it has become in the last 5-10 years - end hate.

[Kuenai]

I'd say DC>PS2 for CVS2, A3, Guilty Gear X, MVC2, and KOF. 3S for the DC sucks. Everything else just came out on the PS2 :sad:

[DS]

I'd say DC>PS2 for CVS2, A3, Guilty Gear X, MVC2, and KOF. 3S for the DC sucks. Everything else just came out on the PS2 :sad:


A3 for the DC is crap.

[NiGhTmArE®]

PS2 has great conversions like all the Guilty Gear games, KOF XI, KOF NW, NGBC, MB:AC, HNK...

But for older games, PS2 suck. Like KOF 2k2/2k3 and all that old collections (94, 95, 96, 97,99,2k,2k1) made by SNKP. Hope that KOF 98: Ultimate Match worth a shit.

Dreamcast versions of older KOF's and other games (LB2, Garou etc.) isnt that arcade perfect but are better than the PS2 ones.

I think in this way:

PS2 for new games: It has great conversion quality, some games you cant notice any difference between the arcade and the home version. Games like Guilty Gear (all of them, except for Isuka), KOF XI, KOF NW, NGBC, SST, MB:AC are supreme arcade conversions.

Dreamcast for Capcom games: MvC2, CvS2, I would say 3s, but most ppl (and most tourneys) plays the PS2 version, even knowing thats a outdated version (anyone corrects me if I'm wrong). It has nice game variations also, like KOF 99 Evolution and KOF Dream Match 1999 (KOF 98). Too bad they arent arcade perfect.

Neo Geo AES for old SNK games: You can't find any console version that has perfect arcade conversion of games like Garou, LB2, KOF 2k2, KOF 98, KOF 97 (the Saturn one was good) or KOF 2k. I know the console and the games are too expensive, but in that case we have an alternate solution: a modded xbox.

I dunno about the SF Alpha series, but the DC one was good, Saturn one also. Is the PS2 version good?

So I think a true fighting game entusiast must own that 3 consoles, DC, PS2 and NeoGeoAES/Xbox. I have a PS2 and a Modded Xbox. I had 3 DCs in the past and a NeoGeoCD. But they are broken today hehe. I'll buy another Dreamcast soon (learning Marvel 2 hehehe).

[JackTenrac!]

DC for SNK titles and exclusive wares. Near perfect 00,01,02 KoFs. Agetec/Neo Geo America revision are not the way to go for these. Capcom is debatable if you like and SF III:Double Impact enough to ignore some odd game troubles. 3rd Strike is noted to be a glitched copy...however Cabinet City Arcade blogs stated that 3rd Strike only has the Japanese version to look forward to when it comes to a sufficing, non-glitched version. Still, mainstream wise, PS2 does the work for Capcom's games(A1,A2,A3), Super Turbo, CVS 2, and Third Strike. Coverage and collection factors, the PS2 is questionable compared to Saturn, DreamCast, and even the PSX, and I'm just going on known JAP/US imports games here.

I'm pretty sure AES is still damn expensive and would feel like a step backwards when it comes down to price and power.


*hugs his DC*

What's her name? or his? *HOMO NO SUPREMO*

...that went well?

[DS]

I dunno about the SF Alpha series, but the DC one was good, Saturn one also. Is the PS2 version good?



PS2 SFAA > DC Alpha

A3 especially, since A3 on the DC was just Upper and nobody played Upper.

What's her name?

...that went well?

Considering this is my second marriage, my first(Daniela Christie) died on me after a few months. Now I'm on my second(Donna Crystal).

[Dark Geese]

Amen took the words right out my mouth..'DA BOX.

[ParryPerson.]

heh, I thought just I had names for my dc's.

The one I found in the trash in the rain that had leaves and worms in it, I cleaned it up and it worked better than my other DC.

I wrote in red letters on the lid "ZOMBIE"

the other one is "Windy" since it sounds like a hurricane when it's playing :(

on topic...

PS2, for the uninformed masses, is the best console for fighters.

For the competitive group, it comes down to what is the best port, console does not matter.

[Keits]

dc>ps2 for 2d fighters.

A-men

[#reload]

real talk, mvc2 is the only "bad" port for ps2. cvs2 is arcade perfect. ps2 3s > DC 3s.. same with alpha. GGXX, #reload, slash, and later AC >>>> GGX for DC... plus ps2 got all the "current" fighters... melty blood, kofxi, etc.. ps2 is too good for fighters. plus ps2 got the naruto games, which has it's own scene as well

[NiGhTmArE®]

Yeah, in overall, PS2 is the best system for F-games nowadays.

[Smokey]

I'd say DC>PS2 for CVS2, A3, Guilty Gear X, MVC2, and KOF. 3S for the DC sucks. Everything else just came out on the PS2 :sad:

A3?.........You dont know jackshit mister

[caleb1883]

I would say the Japanese PS2 is the best for 2-D. They are so much more serious about their 2D fighters, that they make sure they are top-notch perfect. You have to import it all, but who cares, with Play-Asia and the internet it's so easy now. Your forgetting one more thing about the PS2 being the ultimate 2D fighting console: CONTROLLERS. My god, you have an endless amount of compatible joysticks and pads to choose from. You can get a joystick with a Sanwa already installed right out of the box, or a MAS stick, custom sticks, make your own, it's freaking endless. Everything uses a Dualshock controller PCB as a standard. And if you have other systems you want to use, the Dualshock board has a compatible converter with almost anything you would ever play.

[DS]

I would say the Japanese PS2 is the best for 2-D. They are so much more serious about their 2D fighters, that they make sure they are top-notch perfect. You have to import it all, but who cares, with Play-Asia and the internet it's so easy now. Your forgetting one more thing about the PS2 being the ultimate 2D fighting console: CONTROLLERS. My god, you have an endless amount of compatible joysticks and pads to choose from. You can get a joystick with a Sanwa already installed right out of the box, or a MAS stick, custom sticks, make your own, it's freaking endless. Everything uses a Dualshock controller PCB as a standard. And if you have other systems you want to use, the Dualshock board has a compatible converter with almost anything you would ever play.


That's a pretty good point. But, the DC did have the Agetec Green Goblin(which could be modded easily) AND the ASCII CvS1 pads(which were akin to the Saturn pad). And of course, the Saturn had it's own six button pad right out of the box. So, it kinda goes both ways in terms of controllers.

Question for those in the know: Does HORI have an exclusive contract with Sony? Just wondering because I've never seen them make ANYTHING in terms of sticks for the other consoles back then.

[JackTenrac!]

PS2 SFAA > DC Alpha

A3 especially, since A3 on the DC was just Upper and nobody played Upper.



...isn't that not playable for tourneys?(DC)


Considering this is my second marriage, my first(Daniela Christie) died on me after a few months. Now I'm on my second(Donna Crystal).

Good work. Divorce with a DC is inexcusable.. I nearly did it for 300, but I wised up quicktimes. As for my Cassandra: she's quite a catch. Brand new and we've been together for the good times(Grandia II) and the bad(Time Stalkers) over the years. Even when people try to separate us. She records our moments with that VMU condom.

...that went well.

[asianxcore]

DC for SNK titles and exclusive wares. Near perfect 00,01,02 KoFs. Agetec/Neo Geo America revision are not the way to go for these.

Were there any differences between the Japanese KOF 02' (stand-alone) release and the US KOF 02'/03'? Or were both terrible conversions?

[Dark Geese]

Oh lord..they both are the same game..nowhere close to arcade perfect..

KOF2002 needs the ST treatment in the US..re-release it arcade perfect...

The US and JAP PS2 KOF2002 are atrocious ports...

Play it and youll see why Americans dont like it...controls make the game nigh-unplayable..and its sad..because the Arcade version is wayyyy superior..hell even the DC version is fun as hell..just not accurate with the graphics...

[DS]

...isn't that not playable for tourneys?(DC)



Just about. Capcom is to blame for that one.

[AlphaZero X]

Why is SCEA so hesitant with 2D fighters? I heard SNK submitted the latest SS release to SCEA 3 times and they wouldn't approve it, yet later this month the US gets the Art Of Fighting Collection......while the KOF, FF, Real Bout and KOFXI get nothing. Doesn't make any sense

[Bill Wood]

Why is SCEA so hesitant with 2D fighters? I heard SNK submitted the latest SS release to SCEA 3 times and they wouldn't approve it, yet later this month the US gets the Art Of Fighting Collection......while the KOF, FF, Real Bout and KOFXI get nothing. Doesn't make any sense

Small correction; it does appear as though SNK is releasing Fatal Fury: Battle Archives Vol. 1 in the U.S on the PS2. It hasn't been "officially" announced, but it is one of the listed titles under development on their U.S. website. Combined with the eminent AoF Collection PS2 release, I'm led to believe that SNK has plans to release most (if not all) of their fighting compilations in the States.

I find it difficult to believe that SNK would release AoF and FF comps in America and simply stop there, not when series such as Samurai Shodown and The King of Fighters have been bigger money makers on our side of the ocean. And since they're all compilations, there's apparently no SCEA hurdle to clear.

[Mixah]

DC had better ports of MvC2 and actually HAD ports of SF3 SI and NG. KoF 2k2 was the only KoF, IMO worth shit on that console. I can't vouch for the rest of the SNK games, because I'm not big into SNK games.

Other than that, it fails to deliver.

PS2 had a weaker port of MvC2, and a good port of everything else. A better port of 3S, KoF XI is my favorite KoF game, SNK games like Last Blade suck, but seriously... Perfect Vampire Savior, Alpha games, Super Turbo, and 3S?

The topic of this thread, in actuality should be

PS2: A Capcom Fighting fan's dream come true.

[caleb1883]

Why is SCEA so hesitant with 2D fighters? I heard SNK submitted the latest SS release to SCEA 3 times and they wouldn't approve it, yet later this month the US gets the Art Of Fighting Collection......while the KOF, FF, Real Bout and KOFXI get nothing. Doesn't make any sense

Because Sony is now getting destroyed in the marketplace, where as before they were kind of running the show. They've probably decided that, "Hey, maybe our current marketing scheme isn't working, how about we start releasing GOOD games that people want to play". Maybe they're thinking that, I hope, but probably not. They could afford to be picky screw ups before, now they have to take what they can get, so if they can pick up a few thousand sales from collections of old SNK games, they'll do it, where 3 years ago, unless it was a Metal Gear or Final Fantasy, they didn't want it. Japanese PS2 is the way to go, I don't need no stinkin English for fighting games, dragon punch combos are the same in every language. I have two PS2's one US and one Jap, with them both running component into a Samsung 32 inch widescreen LCD, with two HRAP 2's and couldn't be happier.

PS- News is that the US is going to be getting a Fatal Fury collection for PS2, so hold on to your butts.

[AlphaZero X]

Small correction; it does appear as though SNK is releasing Fatal Fury: Battle Archives Vol. 1 in the U.S on the PS2. It hasn't been "officially" announced, but it is one of the listed titles under development on their U.S. website. Combined with the eminent AoF Collection PS2 release, I'm led to believe that SNK has plans to release most (if not all) of their fighting compilations in the States.

I find it difficult to believe that SNK would release AoF and FF comps in America and simply stop there, not when series such as Samurai Shodown and The King of Fighters have been bigger money makers on our side of the ocean. And since they're all compilations, there's apparently no SCEA hurdle to clear.

Ahh, Nice. I couldv'e sworn that AOF collection was already a few years old. Maybe they will bring all this stuff out. Better late than never. Any word on next gen stuff outta SNK?

[Dark Geese]

No word on KOFXII, or Sam Sho Slash, Max Impact Reg A should be out shortly..I invite those that want to talk in particular about SNK stuff exclusively to join my At the Eye of the Ragin Storm thread..

http://forums.shoryuken.com/showthread.php?t=120568

We keep up with the latest news and things going on etc.

:china:

-DG

[4Play]

Damn, I need conformation for that Fatal Fury collection. I know that later this month the Art of Fighting is coming out. On topic I agree that the PS2 is the Capcom FG console. But for the KOF series I dont know. I got both KOF 00/01 and KOF02/03 and what's the word on 00/01? 02/03 suck the controls are shitty.
I need I DC for Marvel:sad: