LAPD brutalizes immigrant march

[AdverseSolutions]

http://chesing.blogspot.com/2007/05/cinco-de-mayo.html

Make sure to watch the Fox report on this page because it's paradoxically the better one.

[tajiri]

the little kid holding the sign that reads "WE ARE NOT CRIMINALS" is too ironic for me.

fuck mexicans, no offence intended, but seriously, stfu.

when was the last time we heard about the native americans marching or demonstrating?

:/

imo.

[RockBogart]

I wonder if they left out the part where the police were provoked by the people in mask throwing stones. Im sorry yall may see me as law enforcement biased because of my profession, but when a stone is picked up and thrown it becomes a deadly weapon. I dont play that shit. And thats just not my opinion but thats the way the law sees it.

[g3nshir0_]

Fuck the police. Look at the part where they're marching down the sidewalk looking like uniformed jackasses who listen to any order - whether it's against their own conscience or not. Fuck them.

[Jappo]

Fuck the police, that's how I treat em'
Buy your way out of jail
But you can't buy freedom.

[g3nshir0_]

the little kid holding the sign that reads "WE ARE NOT CRIMINALS" is too ironic for me.

fuck mexicans, no offence intended, but seriously, stfu.

when was the last time we heard about the native americans marching or demonstrating?

:/

imo.
You moron. There are many, many native americans who hold anti-us sentiment regarding what they've done, but they are too few in numbers to hold any march or protest that would be substantial.

[Devil X]

No gang in Los Angeles harrasses me more than the LAPD. All little dick mofuckas always trying to prove something since they've been bullshit their whole lives, now they have a little authority so they like to pop off at the mouth since they have nothing to go home to but their fat ass wives. People from out of town don't know these assholes, they treat everyone like shit and act like they're gods. fuck them.

[AdverseSolutions]

I wonder if they left out the part where the police were provoked by the people in mask throwing stones. Im sorry yall may see me as law enforcement biased because of my profession, but when a stone is picked up and thrown it becomes a deadly weapon. I dont play that shit. And thats just not my opinion but thats the way the law sees it.

Maybe people were outraged that their rally was completely surrounded by highly armed riot police from the very beginning. The LAPD is the one escalating this situation. Why not get the fuck off of people demonstrating for a cause they believe in? If I were to come to your job (occasional bouncer right?) and mad dog you all fucking night, I think you'd eventually hit me.

The argument about provocation is pretty funny too when you consider that after being 'provoked' these cops shot rubber bullets, teargas and batoned people in an advancing line that managed to even attack members of the media. Shows exactly how much they were looking for an excuse to unleash some brutality on these unruly brown people, and also how much they care for the free expression they're supposedly protecting.

ninja edit: Devil X has it exactly right.

[Juggy]

Stupid fuckers.

"Hey, I have a great idea! Let's assault these fuckers and pray they take it and don't do anything about it, then blame them!" Seriously?

[Scorpio_G]

the little kid holding the sign that reads "WE ARE NOT CRIMINALS" is too ironic for me.

fuck mexicans, no offence intended, but seriously, stfu.

when was the last time we heard about the native americans marching or demonstrating?

:/

imo.

Woah....That's just....:confused: Just because they're not seen doent mean it's not real dude.

[RockBogart]

My biggest beef is this. They live here illegally and the most part for FREE. On top of that they utilize programs paid for by tax payers. ILLEGALS DONT HAVE THE RIGHT TO COMPLAIN OR PROTEST

[tajiri]

You moron. There are many, many native americans who hold anti-us sentiment regarding what they've done, but they are too few in numbers to hold any march or protest that would be substantial.

you're the moron, read my fucking post you knuckle-dragging troglodyte:

AND I QUOTE MY POST:

"when was the last time we heard about the native americans marching or demonstrating?"

would you like me to mail you flashcards, a cardboard diorama, or figurines that illustrate my point, you unicellular twit?

MY POINT BEING: mexican immigrants always hold these absurd demonstrations. i lived in veracruz for four months, i know how shitty it is there. so if shits so bad for them in america, gtfo.
i'm not so naive to say that the workforce, economy, and government does not take advantage of immigrants, but compared to where they're coming from, it's a better deal. in short, don't bite the hand that feeds you.

i digress, regarding the native american reference, indigenous tribes have always and will always be fucked.

imo.

:/

[4Play]

The LAPD has a long history of harrasment. It's no wonder that nobody in the city respects cops.

[EveryFlowerFlow]

My biggest beef is this. They live here illegally and the most part for FREE. On top of that they utilize programs paid for by tax payers. THEY DONT HAVE THE RIGHT TO COMPLAIN OR PROTEST

yes, because EVERYONE that wants reform or protesting is an illegal... :confused:

[AdverseSolutions]

Stupid fuckers.

"Hey, I have a great idea! Let's assault these fuckers and pray they take it and don't do anything about it, then blame them!" Seriously?

Yes I agree, this is the LAPD's strategy.

[Scorpio_G]

I think if the US set up a (Illegal Imigrant) Tax on the pay of Illegal alliens then both sides can win. The US will get revenue to fund our services like Healthcare/Schools/whatever. And the II's can have representation since they're providing a fraction of their paycheck to the US until they decide to become american citizens.

[RockBogart]

yes, because EVERYONE that wants reform or protesting is an illegal... :confused:

Im just saying the ones who are illegal dont have the right. My bad for no phrasing it that way.

[tonchopilatos510]

My biggest beef is this. They live here illegally and the most part for FREE. On top of that they utilize programs paid for by tax payers. THEY DONT HAVE THE RIGHT TO COMPLAIN OR PROTEST

Hardly any of these people live here for free... and for you to say that they don't pay taxes it's a complete lie. the IRS provides a ITIN number wich allows tax payers to pay their dues. This number is provided to anyone in this country that came here legally or not So that the taxes do get paid so your statement it's wrong...(and you know better than me the irs don't mes around).
also some other dude said "fuck mexicans"... well yeah fack all of those lazy ones the ones that are in gangs doing shit that poisons the brains of kids that come here to make the other hard-working-goodhearted-lawabbiding-taxpaying-family-oriented-mexicans look bad, but anyways you freacking sware like Mexicans are the only migration this country has.
Man I can't wait for the day in wich people like you opened their mind to new ideas...
AND ANYBODY ANY COLOR ANY RACE ANY PERSON EVEN THE FUCKEN KKK has the right to protest and speak their mind.

[g3nshir0_]

"when was the last time we heard about the native americans marching or demonstrating?"
I think you have a problem comprehending even the simplest of concepts. No, you do have a problem understanding anything.

[tajiri]

Im just saying the ones who are illegal dont have the right...

i agree with you.

/edit: genitalshiro: you're an idiot. my point is we don't hear about n.a. protests anymore, it's not picked up by the media, but mexicans protesting is.
you may need to adjust your diet, your intake of lead paint chips and industrial strength adhesive is making you a bit dense.

[N-Ken]

IM not sure which I dislike more, the police for being jackasses or the tools who are protesting in the first place. Think about the statement "Rights for illegal immigrants" for more than 3 seconds, shit is ridiculous.

EDIT:

Hardly any of these people live here for free... and for you to say that they don't pay taxes it's a complete lie. the IRS provides a ITIN number wich allows tax payers to pay their dues. This number is provided to anyone in this country that came here legally or not So that the taxes do get paid so your statement it's wrong...(and you know better than me the irs don't mes around).
also some other dude said "fuck mexicans"... well yeah fack all of those lazy ones the ones that are in gangs doing shit that poisons the brains of kids that come here to make the other hard-working-goodhearted-lawabbiding-taxpaying-family-oriented-mexicans look bad, but anyways you freacking sware like Mexicans are the only migration this country has.
Man I can't wait for the day in wich people like you opened their mind to new ideas...
AND ANYBODY ANY COLOR ANY RACE ANY PERSON EVEN THE FUCKEN KKK has the right to protest and speak their mind.


Do you live in a bubble? If you think the majority of illegals pay taxes you need to pass me some of what you're smoking.

[RockBogart]

IM not sure which I dislike more, the police for being jackasses or the tools who are protesting in the first place. Think about the statement "Rights for illegal immigrants" for more than 3 seconds, shit is ridiculous.

thats the point i was trying to make.

[Pimp Willy]

I was surprised there wasn't a thread on this before, was looking for one. I can see where the cops were coming from... hell, one of the major events that led to this was (via word of mouth, from somebody who works in the law enforcement) that a motorcycle cop was attacked and knocked off his bike by a group of mexicans. If thats the case, then its no wonder they acted like they did.

In any case, they shoulda wisened up, and used this rally to round up all the illegals one by one and ship them back to Mexico. If every time there was a rally, the cops started checking green cards, I doubt the illegals would keep being so retardedly vocal about shit they have no say in.

Now, was what they did overboard? I havent seen enough to know myself, but it looks pretty silly that they felt the need to beat up people like reporters (who I guess now learned they're not above the law after all). I'll have to watch more reports and footage not peppered with biased commentary from either side... but good luck on that : /

[voodazz]

My biggest beef is this. They live here illegally and the most part for FREE. On top of that they utilize programs paid for by tax payers. ILLEGALS DONT HAVE THE RIGHT TO COMPLAIN OR PROTEST

Agreed, I've said this time and time again and each time I get labeled a republican racist. By just being here THEY ARE BREAKING THE LAW that's why they're called ILLEGAL immigrants. What the fuck ever, people don't want to hear the truth. :bluu:

[RockBogart]

The main reason people get angry with them is that they complain. Its like the adult who mooches off his parents. The parents know he/she is a lazy mooch but they are ok with it. Well one day the child decides to complain about something and then the parents get pissed at their lazy ungrateful child. I mean do y'all even know how much the country loses a year because of this problem. Im not against immigration just do it the right way.

[tonchopilatos510]

IM not sure which I dislike more, the police for being jackasses or the tools who are protesting in the first place. Think about the statement "Rights for illegal immigrants" for more than 3 seconds, shit is ridiculous.

EDIT:




Do you live in a bubble? If you think the majority of illegals pay taxes you need to pass me some of what you're smoking.

againg...not all, but a greater portion does. if they didn't this country would have already fallen on it's facking knees.

[tonchopilatos510]

The main reason people get angry with them is that they complain. Its like the adult who mooches off his parents. The parents know he/she is a lazy mooch but they are ok with it. Well one day the child decides to complain about something and then the parents get pissed at their lazy ungrateful child. I mean do y'all even know how much the country loses a year because of this problem. Im not against immigration just do it the right way.

againg you got this shit all wrong... who loses money??? are you even thinking for a second of all of the workforce that it's provided to this country (legally or illegal).

[Pimp Willy]

And all the americans out of the job because illegal motherfuckers do it for less... while DEMANDING being payed equal wages to LEGAL workers? Fuck that, if you think illegals are pissed at not having these equal rights, imagine the backlash from the rest of the country when all the LEGAL americans (who you know, can vote?) have their say in the matter.

The day illegal immigrants get equal pay to legal immigrants/born Americans is going to be a violent day indeed.

[N-Ken]

againg you got this shit all wrong... who loses money??? are you even thinking for a second of all of the workforce that it's provided to this country (legally or illegal).

Omg are you serious? What about the people I know who had to go through school essentially in spanish because the illegals flooded the classroom and didnt want to learn english? Tell those people who got a 3rd class education that nothing was taken from them, how about the fact that I'm paying for illegals welfare so they can get checks to sit at home and drink coronas? The "they do work no one else will do" is bullshit too, the jobs they actually do get alot of them fuck around and do shitty ass jobs anyways while taking away jobs from people who are here legally? This is all shit I've seen so don't tell me how confused I am, I've seen too many fucking welfare whores laughing at me cause they expect ME to speak spanish wherever they go so they don't have to learn a language. Fuck illegals, aside from the ones legitimately making an effort.

[Weeks]

non-citizens are not entitled to the same rights and protection as citizens. if you feel otherwise, you call into question why we should bother having borders and boundaries

[Chaotic Blue]

Hardly any of these people live here for free... and for you to say that they don't pay taxes it's a complete lie. the IRS provides a ITIN number wich allows tax payers to pay their dues. This number is provided to anyone in this country that came here legally or not So that the taxes do get paid so your statement it's wrong...(and you know better than me the irs don't mes around).
also some other dude said "fuck mexicans"... well yeah fack all of those lazy ones the ones that are in gangs doing shit that poisons the brains of kids that come here to make the other hard-working-goodhearted-lawabbiding-taxpaying-family-oriented-mexicans look bad, but anyways you freacking sware like Mexicans are the only migration this country has.
Man I can't wait for the day in wich people like you opened their mind to new ideas...
AND ANYBODY ANY COLOR ANY RACE ANY PERSON EVEN THE FUCKEN KKK has the right to protest and speak their mind.

Most illegals get paid in cash and send the money they make to mexico. I think mexico's second biggest import is american dollars. seriously like 3-5 billion or maybe even trillion... its alot i know that.

[shoo]

the little kid holding the sign that reads "WE ARE NOT CRIMINALS" is too ironic for me.

fuck mexicans, no offence intended, but seriously, stfu.

when was the last time we heard about the native americans marching or demonstrating?

:/

imo.

hey tajiri
youre an asshole cocksuker

no offense intended




jackass :bluu:

[tonchopilatos510]

The day illegal immigrants get equal pay to legal immigrants/born Americans is going to be a violent day indeed

MAN! that's all America can do. FIght. it's pointless to keep babling about this shit
for it's a never ending debate... :looney: I hope that day never comes. and if u are ever in the bay area u are welcomed to my house for some bomb mexican food anytime.

[AdverseSolutions]

This whole 'illegal immigrants are a drain on the economy' is an awful line of argument on its own premises. As if everyone who doesn't represent a plus sign for the economy doesn't deserve to be in the country. Illegal immigrants work the worst jobs: janitors, cleaning ladies, fruit pickers etc. Illegal immigrant labor makes California agriculture competitive. And shock and dismay, when they get hurt on those jobs they want some basic benefits. What an outrage right.

What about people on welfare? Maybe they should be tagged out for productive central American labor? LOL...what makes random welfare recipient in Virginia worthy of health care benefits as compared to an illegal immigrant? These arguments have the hallmarks of reactionary thought: if group A gets something that is more favorable than another group B, then group B protests by saying that group A simply shouldn't get the advantage instead of saying shit, well maybe we should both get that.

Let's think about minuses to the economy for a sec. File-sharing is one. How many on this site do it? Dare we speculate? If the RIAA really wanted to grab a bunch of file sharers what if they IP tracked all the users on this site and fined them or arrested them individually afterward? How would you feel? I wonder if these illegals you disrespect so much would come to your aid then?

[RockBogart]

Dont get me started on people who abuse welfare. I dont think SRK could take it. but to equate US dollars lost to illegal immigrants to file sharing is little retarded. But im like most Americans, Im liberal until shit starts to cut into my wallet.

[shoo]

the little kid holding the sign that reads "WE ARE NOT CRIMINALS" is too ironic for me.

fuck mexicans, no offence intended, but seriously, stfu.

when was the last time we heard about the native americans marching or demonstrating?

:/

imo.

hey tajiri
youre an asshole cocksuker

no offense intended




jackass :bluu:

excuse my language srk i just found that offensive

cept you tajiri you can rot in hell

[Chaotic Blue]

Afterthoughts on the Video:

bleh, blacks had to go thru much worse for the basic rights all minorities enjoy. Imagine those rubber bullets plus gas plus dogs plus firehoses and all that stuff, THEN imagine goin back the next day. Man, that is some serious conviction. Too bad we're not as united as that anymore. but im sure if somethin hit the fan then we'd be able to go out there. The illegal immigrants or whoever was at that rally should go back the next day with greater numbers. That would be the only way to win this situation. But like I always say, Hispanics need to have a strong leader to take control of this movement or its not gonna go anywhere. Seriously.

[Pimp Willy]

Illegals holding jobs that nobody wants is just not true. A lot of illegals hold very nice jobs in construction, that many Americans would love to have, but will never have a shot at.

Americans come first, and they always should. This isn't Mexico 2.0, this is America. Southern California is slowly getting dragged down into becoming another mexico, and not everybody wants it that way.

If you are illegal, and you get hurt on the job, you do not deserve benefits. If I rob a bank, and get hurt, I don't go to the government and say "PAY MY BILLS." No other country would put up with such BS, why is America expected to? Because we share a border with one of the worst countries on the planet? No thank you.

[Muff Daddy]

Rights? for illegal immigrants?

someone needs to re-illegalize illegal immigration and send Enrique Illegalesias back home.

[Z!M]

My beef is simple, why demand rights and citizenship if your not an american citizen to begin with? we let in 2 million immigrants a year, what other country does that? you know what i Would get if I went to mexico illegaly, two years in prison no questions asked!

[tajiri]

hey tajiri
youre an asshole cocksuker

no offense intended




jackass :bluu:

grats on neg repping me.

way to provide a logical and legitimate rebuttal.

oh by the way you pretentious dickpocket, do you even know why cinco de mayo is celebrated?

i'll spare you the trip of going to wikipedia, you obtuse pedestrian, cinco de mayo is celebrates the victory mexico had over the french.

and "rot in hell", that's fine with me as long as i am not subjugated to your stupidity.

[angryliberal]

you all should know my opinion. if you don't, look at my screen name and figure it out. if it's still difficult for you, all the explaining in the world won't help.

[orochizoolander]

I think it's safe to say that this is a lose-lose situation either way and it'l be that way for a looooooooong time till we get a president who gives a shit enough to make a change AND have the resources to make said change which we all know will never happen due to a small issue called iraq:rolleyes:


On one hand u have a massive amount of illegal immigrants (mostly mexican but not all of which are) who don't have the most luxurious of lifestyles in their home country so they come the the US for a better life, better opportunities, and maybe the pursuit of happiness if there's time. What they find when they get here is being taken advantage of and these illegal immigrants willingly accept it because as bad as they have it in the US it's still MUCH better then any deal they could get in their own country although it's still not such a glitz n glamour lifestyle for them so we can understand why they protest for more rights even though they're illegally here on OUR soil nonetheless theres only so much a human can take these illegal immigrants are stuck between a rock n a hard place n most of them i assume are only asking what they THINK they honestly deserve IMO.

On the other hand u have all these ppl who are outraged at the thought that one day illegal immigrants JUST MIGHT get equal pay as a "legal" americans and these ppl whoever they might be are justified in said outrage. But things get ugly when these ppl start saying things along the lines of "if u don't like it here GTFO" or "ur an illegal immigrant u have no right to protest" and while that may be true to an extent this debate begs the question:

who decides where the line is drawn and where should this line be????????????????


These illegal workers come over here n are getting fucked but at the same time it's only proper that they get fucked over at least a little bit cuz thats the punishment they get for being illegal in the first place however what other options do theey have not to mention these ppl provide so much manual labor for us n are obviously getting fucked over just a lil too hard for their efforts as illegal as they may be so IT'S OBVIOUS THEY'RE GETTING FUCKED OVER TOO MUCH BUT SHOULD NEVER BE EQUAL TO LEGAL CITIZENS AS FAR AS RIGHTS N PAY GO SO WHEN WILL WE FIND A BALANCE OF HOW MUCH WE SHOULD FUCK THEM OVER?


This entire post is IMHO so don't take it seriously however there is one thing i know as a fact:

Whether ur an illegal or not as long as ur a decent, hardworking person u should never be treated that way by the police EVER what i saw in that video completely disgusted me i was shocked to know that that shit still goes in "the land of opportunity" in 2007 AND IN PUBLIC NO LESS!!!!! i don't give a shit how much in the right the lapd were cuz what i saw in that video was not the authorities doing there job it was an abuse of power by pigs firing into crowds of ppl who were only there to protest for rights they thought they deserved regardless of whether they really did deserve said rights or not U DO NOT TREAT PPL THAT WAY and what really grinds my gears is that i know no one is going to so much as point a finger at the lapd let alone bring up any kind of class action law suit against them (yeah yeah i know they're illegals whatever fuck you)


shit's only gonna get worse and i don't see the situation getting better anytime soon sorry for rambling btw.

edit: any doubt i had bout the popo concealing evidence on tupacs' murder has been removed:rofl:

[sixtymhz]

If you didn't come over legally, gtfo.

I hope LAPD shot some of those illegal asses.

[Nando]

MOST OF THEM PAY taxes...
so.... w/e

[Zero619]

I think it's safe to say that this is a lose-lose situation either way and it'l be that way for a looooooooong time till we get a president who gives a shit enough to make a change AND have the resources to make said change which we all know will never happen due to a small issue called iraq:rolleyes:


On one hand u have a massive amount of illegal immigrants (mostly mexican but not all of which are) who don't have the most luxurious of lifestyles in their home country so they come the the US for a better life, better opportunities, and maybe the pursuit of happiness if there's time. What they find when they get here is being taken advantage of and these illegal immigrants willingly accept it because as bad as they have it in the US it's still MUCH better then any deal they could get in their own country although it's still not such a glitz n glamour lifestyle for them so we can understand why they protest for more rights even though they're illegally here on OUR soil nonetheless theres only so much a human can take these illegal immigrants are stuck between a rock n a hard place n most of them i assume are only asking what they THINK they honestly deserve IMO.

On the other hand u have all these ppl who are outraged at the thought that one day illegal immigrants JUST MIGHT get equal pay as a "legal" americans and these ppl whoever they might be are justified in said outrage. But things get ugly when these ppl start saying things along the lines of "if u don't like it here GTFO" or "ur an illegal immigrant u have no right to protest" and while that may be true to an extent this debate begs the question:

who decides where the line is drawn and where should this line be????????????????


These illegal workers come over here n are getting fucked but at the same time it's only proper that they get fucked over at least a little bit cuz thats the punishment they get for being illegal in the first place however what other options do theey have not to mention these ppl provide so much manual labor for us n are obviously getting fucked over just a lil too hard for their efforts as illegal as they may be so IT'S OBVIOUS THEY'RE GETTING FUCKED OVER TOO MUCH BUT SHOULD NEVER BE EQUAL TO LEGAL CITIZENS AS FAR AS RIGHTS N PAY GO SO WHEN WILL WE FIND A BALANCE OF HOW MUCH WE SHOULD FUCK THEM OVER?


This entire post is IMHO so don't take it seriously however there is one thing i know as a fact:

Whether ur an illegal or not as long as ur a decent, hardworking person u should never be treated that way by the police EVER what i saw in that video completely disgusted me i was shocked to know that that shit still goes in "the land of opportunity" in 2007 AND IN PUBLIC NO LESS!!!!! i don't give a shit how much in the right the lapd were cuz what i saw in that video was not the authorities doing there job it was an abuse of power by pigs firing into crowds of ppl who were only there to protest for rights they thought they deserved regardless of whether they really did deserve said rights or not U DO NOT TREAT PPL THAT WAY and what really grinds my gears is that i know no one is going to so much as point a finger at the lapd let alone bring up any kind of class action law suit against them (yeah yeah i know they're illegals whatever fuck you)


shit's only gonna get worse and i don't see the situation getting better anytime soon sorry for rambling btw.

edit: any doubt i had bout the popo concealing evidence on tupacs' murder has been removed:rofl:


Good post. It's funny that people are acting like illegal aliens are the scum of the earth or some shit. What LAPD did was totally out of line they derseved to be punished somehow.

[umthrfkr]

If you didn't come over legally, gtfo.

muahahahahahahaha:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

ive been thinking this my whole life.

[shoo]

I'll spare you the trip of going to wikipedia, you obtuse pedestrian, cinco de mayo is celebrates the victory mexico had over the french.

Yes i did actually, no wikipedia needed.

[tajiri]

Yes i did actually, no wikipedia needed.

grats.

native american rights (i mean "indians" and "redskins") > illegal mexican immigrant rights.

imo.

[shoo]

How old are you that you resort to "your mom is fat" jokes?
Grow up and stay with the topic at hand.

[tajiri]

How old are you that you resort to "your mom is fat" jokes?
Grow up and stay with the topic at hand.

how old are you to resort to "youre an asshole cocksuker" in response to something i stated that you did not agree with and you could not find a logical rebuttal for?

practice what you preach you fucking pretentious hypocrite.

back on topic: i don't know why mexican immigrants feel that they are getting the shaft. furthermore, i love the medias spin on the whole debacle.
oh and if you want to see "brutal" watch telemundo and see what mexicans do to their own municipal personel.

:/

[Dummy Account]

My biggest beef is this. They live here illegally and the most part for FREE. On top of that they utilize programs paid for by tax payers. ILLEGALS DONT HAVE THE RIGHT TO COMPLAIN OR PROTEST

No, they're not. Every Illegal I know pays taxes just like everyone else around here. The hardly live for free. Plus they're doing a service to America by tackling all the shitty back breaking labor for under minimum wage.

[Dataika]

I love all the hate for illegal immigrants in this thread as if it is their fault their country is so fucked up, or it's their fault that AMERICAN corporations just go into Mexico set up shop there and pay salaries that people can't live on (so, SURPRISE SURPRISE THEY COME HERE?!!?! OMFG WTF!?!!?!?), or it's their fault that half of their land was stolen, or its their fault that America has fucked up Latin America with imperialistic intentions for years. This doesn't justify illegal immigration but come on, let's look at the issue with some form of perspective. It's not like America was minding its own business one day and people flooded our neighborhood and shit.

Illegal immigration, IMO, is an issue. An issue by itself that really only has a few actual culprits. Coyotes and Corporations then, to a lesser extent, the illegal immigrants themselves.

And the reason why they send money back to Mexico is because most of them look at illegal immigration as a SHORT TERM solution so that they can actually LIVE in their own country.

In the end, all I'm going to say is this: Most of you don't know anything about immigration laws. (Not all immigrants are citizens anyway, regardless of legal or illegal immigration) And most of you lack historical perspective on the whole situation. The best way to stop illegal immigrants from coming here is to work with Mexico to make it a BETTER PLACE TO LIVE. Maybe even pay them livable wages in Mexico (omfg shock and awe that one).


EDIT: BTW for anyone wondering about Illegals not paying taxes.... http://www.seattleweekly.com/2007-04-11/diversions/what-s-this-illegals-don-t-pay-taxes-crap.php

[Pablo_the_Mex]

the little kid holding the sign that reads "WE ARE NOT CRIMINALS" is too ironic for me.

fuck mexicans, no offence intended, but seriously, stfu.

when was the last time we heard about the native americans marching or demonstrating?

:/

imo.

Hey, those "rez" casinos are the shit and a license to print money.

Also, if you lived in a shitty country that bordered THE GREATEST and RICHEST country in the fucking world, you too would be willing to jump the fence.

Seriously, why the fuck are most you bitching about taxes and what not. Most of these Mexicans work shit jobs at minimum wages. Don't be mad at the mexi's for taking your jobs because you are too fucking stupid to get a real one.

[tajiri]

Hey, those "rez" casinos are the shit and a license to print money.

Also, if you lived in a shitty country that bordered THE GREATEST and RICHEST country in the fucking world, you too would be willing to jump the fence.

Seriously, why the fuck are most you bitching about taxes and what not. Most of these Mexicans work shit jobs at minimum wages. Don't be mad at the mexi's for taking your jobs because you are too fucking stupid to get a real one.

hey man, i never discredited their reason to move, like i've stated in a prior post, i know first hand how shitty mexico is, nor am i sweating any immigrant that is able to get a job, props to them for having the balls to do what it takes to get ahead, but (pardon my ignorance) i do think that it is ironic that illegal immigrants protest to have the same rights as legal citizens.

[fishjie]

even though i agree that ppl who are here illegally cant complain that they dont have rights, things are never so simple. im pretty sure california's economy would collapse without their steady supply of cheap illegal slave labor.

you cant say mexicans take jobs, because they are all jobs making tacos and mowing lans - in other words - jobs no white person would ever want to do. theyd rather be homeless and or collecting welfare anyway. so who cares?

the only issue here is taxes. soooo just tax the companies who hire illegals more.

so here is my brilliant multi part solution:

1. build a great wall of america blocking off access from mexico. outsource labor to china, so we only worry about illegal chinese immigrants coming over (cause we know what would happen if we had mexicans build the wall). as we all know, white people love asian girls, and asian males make quiet submissive white collar workers in jobs such as engineering, lawyers, and doctors, which will give back to society. white people will sign off on this.

2. fix mexico. get rid of the corruption and poverty so that they arent so desperate to leave. this is part of the bigger global picture of making the world a better place to leave. mexico should probably adopt a one child per family law like china.

3. get rid of labor unions. companies only hire illegals because the damn labor unions ruin businesses and act like their workers are entitled to everything. not only that, they pass laws requiring new workers to join the union, even if they dont want to (my dad is a guy who does not want to join the boeing labor union because he is a hard working upstanding immigrant, not like these lazy white people who just want to strike all day and get huge raises). unions are a throwback to evil communist days and also when the mob ran things. no labor unions? now corporations can hire white people who are willing to work for minimum wage, allowing white people to compete with mexicans. of course, white people will still be lazy and not want to flip burgers and instead collect welfare checks. this will mostly prove a point and get those lazy white people to stop complaining that they cant get jobs due to mexicans.

4. tax companies that hire illegals. that way, THEYLL foot the bill for the health care and education and etc

ps: my post is mostly facetious. notably the part about building a great wall. not so much the labor union thing.

[Pablo_the_Mex]

hey man, i never discredited their reason to move, like i've stated in a prior post, i know first hand how shitty mexico is, nor am i sweating any immigrant that is able to get a job, props to them for having the balls to do what it takes to get ahead, but (pardon my ignorance) i do think that it is ironic that illegal immigrants protest to have the same rights as legal citizens.

The main issue is that the US benefits tremendously from immigrant workers. The economy needs them and yet they recieve no real rights and are continously exploited.

I myself do not have a real solution to the problem, but you cannot simply keep that "illegal=gtfo" mentality because a) it is unrealistic to attempt and deport all illegal immigrants and b) The US needs illegals do all of its dirty work.

Pratical immigration reform is needed. Bush wants to charge $20k plus fines for a green card and legal status but with some bullshit prerequisites. Although to be honest, I know lots of immigrants would gladly dish out the money for legal status. Congress just needs to buckle down come up with pratical solutions to the problems. It will take time but should be doable.

[Q.C.PUNCH]

even though i agree that ppl who are here illegally cant complain that they dont have rights, things are never so simple. im pretty sure california's economy would collapse without their steady supply of cheap illegal slave labor.

you cant say mexicans take jobs, because they are all jobs making tacos and mowing lans - in other words - jobs no white person would ever want to do. theyd rather be homeless and or collecting welfare anyway. so who cares?

the only issue here is taxes. soooo just tax the companies who hire illegals more.

so here is my brilliant multi part solution:

1. build a great wall of america blocking off access from mexico. outsource labor to china, so we only worry about illegal chinese immigrants coming over (cause we know what would happen if we had mexicans build the wall). as we all know, white people love asian girls, and asian males make quiet submissive white collar workers in jobs such as engineering, lawyers, and doctors, which will give back to society. white people will sign off on this.

2. fix mexico. get rid of the corruption and poverty so that they arent so desperate to leave. this is part of the bigger global picture of making the world a better place to leave. mexico should probably adopt a one child per family law like china.

3. get rid of labor unions. companies only hire illegals because the damn labor unions ruin businesses and act like their workers are entitled to everything. not only that, they pass laws requiring new workers to join the union, even if they dont want to (my dad is a guy who does not want to join the boeing labor union because he is a hard working upstanding immigrant, not like these lazy white people who just want to strike all day and get huge raises). unions are a throwback to evil communist days and also when the mob ran things. no labor unions? now corporations can hire white people who are willing to work for minimum wage, allowing white people to compete with mexicans. of course, white people will still be lazy and not want to flip burgers and instead collect welfare checks. this will mostly prove a point and get those lazy white people to stop complaining that they cant get jobs due to mexicans.

4. tax companies that hire illegals. that way, THEYLL foot the bill for the health care and education and etc

ps: my post is mostly facetious. notably the part about building a great wall. not so much the labor union thing.

Someone get this man a cigar. QFT!:tup:

[tajiri]

The main issue is that the US benefits tremendously from immigrant workers. The economy needs them and yet they recieve no real rights and are continously exploited.

I myself do not have a real solution to the problem, but you cannot simply keep that "illegal=gtfo" mentality because a) it is unrealistic to attempt and deport all illegal immigrants and b) The US needs illegals do all of its dirty work.

Pratical immigration reform is needed. Bush wants to charge $20k plus fines for a green card and legal status but with some bullshit prerequisites. Although to be honest, I know lots of immigrants would gladly dish out the money for legal status. Congress just needs to buckle down come up with pratical solutions to the problems. It will take time but should be doable.

i never said illegal=gtfo, i thought it was ironic that this is getting the hype that it is, and the sign that the kid was holding i found to be ironic as well.

i think the immigration process should be adjusted to be more efficient, but again, never said illegal=gtfo.

[Lantis]

In the end, all I'm going to say is this: Most of you don't know anything about immigration laws. (Not all immigrants are citizens anyway, regardless of legal or illegal immigration) And most of you lack historical perspective on the whole situation. The best way to stop illegal immigrants from coming here is to work with Mexico to make it a BETTER PLACE TO LIVE. Maybe even pay them livable wages in Mexico (omfg shock and awe that one).

Truth was spoken in this day.


























...but you're still a fuckin' Commie. :arazz:

[gemdoom]

i'm mexican and i really think that some people who protest do it for the wrong reasons. my pops came into this country with nothing from mexico worked at a Restuarant for years e worked hard and he became a civilian through his hard work. i never heard him complain about all this some mexicans think they need to be handed those rights or whatever they're ranting about i bet not all those people are immigrants some just bandwagon on this. i've seen this many times. even though immigrants need rights why don't they go through hard earned work. my pops did it for years he kept his kept his chin up and now he is opening his own business. this shows that some people need to shut up and work it the hard way.
just my two cents.:pleased:

[Rhio2k]

you cant say mexicans take jobs, because they are all jobs making tacos and mowing lans - in other words - jobs no white person would ever want to do.

Where are you getting your info?? Down here, these dudes are taking construction jobs that used to pay some $13-$15 per hour and working for less than HALF that. That's a lot of jobs that traditionally fed white AND black families. And we got construction going on all OVER the place, and on every one of these sites , all you see are these little fellas. These days, a white or black man has almost no chance to work in a good old-fashioned sweat of your brow job like construction anymore.

[KING]

My biggest beef is this. They live here illegally and the most part for FREE. On top of that they utilize programs paid for by tax payers. ILLEGALS DONT HAVE THE RIGHT TO COMPLAIN OR PROTEST

unfortunately, i'd have to agree with you.




if you're not a citizen of the U.S., you technically don't have the same rights, nor should you be entitled to the same privileges that we Americans have.

all you really have to do is become a citizen and pay your taxes like the rest of us!

you can't bitch about your shitty wages, since you make MORE here than you do over there (as well as having a better standard of living)! :rolleyes:

[koopatroopa]

Where are you getting your info?? Down here, these dudes are taking construction jobs that used to pay some $13-$15 per hour and working for less than HALF that. That's a lot of jobs that traditionally fed white AND black families. And we got construction going on all OVER the place, and on every one of these sites , all you see are these little fellas. These days, a white or black man has almost no chance to work in a good old-fashioned sweat of your brow job like construction anymore.

Well the problem doesn't lie in illegal immigrants, it lies in a free market. God forbid someone does a job for less than americans demand. If they outwork americans then they outwork americans. Instead of screaming and whining like women those guys should become foremens, learn spanish, and rake in the dollars as an independent roofing contractor.

The same probem came in the 70/80's in southern louisiana when Vietnamese families began moving into the rural coast and shrimping. They would stay out longer and shrimp harder than the locals, thus selling more and normally taking a lower margin. The shrimpers had to adapt or be put out of business. Its the nature of a free market and if you dont like it well then you don't like what shapes modern American business.

If someone is willing and able to do your job for less than you, you will not keep your job. Sorry:sad: :sad:

[XTG]

next mayday march...someone needs to have a MexiTekkaman Suit or a MexiGundam...

[DarkMage724]

LOL at some of the replies...

Most of you cunts have family down the line that came here from some other fucked up country too...

Most immigrants take really shitty jobs cuz' they have practically no education and can't speak english. American's have WAY more educational oppurtunities than most people in other countries. I take it that the 'citizenz' complaining aren't doctors or lawyers, they're probably the deadbeat father's and ex-con's who can't get the II's jobs because they are felons or can't pass a simple drug test.

I used to work for a temp-agency and I can't remember how many times a white/black guy would come in and fail a simple drug test yet an II would come in pass everything and I could'nt hook him up cause his papers weren't straight.

[spudlyff8fan]

You call that brutalizing? They didn't even get what they deserved.

And yeah, Dataika. Great idea. Has a regime change ever gone wrong?

It isn't America's job to improve everyone else.

[AlphaDragoon]

As someone else said earlier, it's retarded that illegal immigrants are complaining about their "rights" when they came in ILLEGALLY. I have no problems with immigration or even Mexican immigration, it's the fact that there are actually people in this world who complain and want to be COMPENSATED for BREAKING THE LAW. To bring up the guy comparing it to file sharing, you don't see people who file share holding a fucking rally in the streets talking about how it's their "right" to gank stuff for free. You know why? BECAUSE THEY HAVE NO RIGHTS. Here's a novel concept...become a LEGAL CITIZEN. Then you can rightfully have all the stuff citizens have! Wow!

Even though America's system of immigration is outdated (seriously, having to know tons of American history that you'll never use again is lame), it's still the law. And your bet your ass if a bunch of Americans went to France or China or even Mexico illegally and started demanding anything, the governments of said countries would laugh their asses off and start deporting or even worse, locking folks up.

So to recap: Do your shit, become a citizen, then we welcome you.

[angryliberal]

It isn't America's job to improve everyone else.

but it is our job to police everyone else? ironic eh? and spud taking on dataika, that's classic.

[Akelexre]

Seriously, the subject of immigration shouldn't be this hard.

Like any sovereign nation, you control who/what crosses your border and when, ie you don't let millions of undocumented people sneak through to live in and be exploited on the fringes of American society.

At the same time, like a nation that is a nation of immigrants, you encourage legal, documented immigration, and you streamline the currently burdensome and overall stupid process to make it faster, cheaper, and more practical for those who actually play by the rules and want to come here and live by the law. Making illegal immigration (in large numbers anyway) close to impossible by controlling the borders/punishing employers of illegals and streamlining the legal process to make it a viable, practical alternative = win.

This shit isn't hard. That so many of us can't discuss it like fucking rational human beings (for example, being anti-illegal immigration is NOT the same and should not be treated the same as being anti-immigration; I'm the former, not the latter) is just a sign of how disfunctional and polarized political discourse in this country is.

This country is weird sometimes.

[Quan]

They need to build a bridge from Mexico to the prairies of Canada, we actually need people there.

[Tomahawk]

2. fix mexico. get rid of the corruption and poverty so that they arent so desperate to leave. this is part of the bigger global picture of making the world a better place to leave. mexico should probably adopt a one child per family law like china.

3. get rid of labor unions. companies only hire illegals because the damn labor unions ruin businesses and act like their workers are entitled to everything. not only that, they pass laws requiring new workers to join the union, even if they dont want to (my dad is a guy who does not want to join the boeing labor union because he is a hard working upstanding immigrant, not like these lazy white people who just want to strike all day and get huge raises). unions are a throwback to evil communist days and also when the mob ran things. no labor unions? now corporations can hire white people who are willing to work for minimum wage, allowing white people to compete with mexicans. of course, white people will still be lazy and not want to flip burgers and instead collect welfare checks. this will mostly prove a point and get those lazy white people to stop complaining that they cant get jobs due to mexicans.



I feel you on the whole fix mexico thing, but on the labor unions I can't say so. Even though they have they're negativity involved they're not as bad for the worker and in most cases helps the common man to keep his position.

On the illegal immagrant part, and trying to protest... well they're illegal and demanding rights. Not really smart in terms of asking for change in politics but you aren't going about it the right way by coming here properly, but I understand that the drive to come to a better land and have a better opportunity is important. I would say that they would have more of a chance with dealing with the problem politically if they did not just run into the country. If you came here illegally, unfortunately you will be a second class citizen in terms of how companies and people who handle money will treat you. sad but true. They do deserve rights though as humans and shouldn't be treated as shit, but dont bitch because you illegally got here. If you dont want to become legal, then you can't complain unless it is going against human rights. (I feel bad saying that but it is true)

On the bitch made LAPD. FUCK EM! I am born and raise LA black man and I have never seen such an organized gang like the LAPD. They patrol neighborhoods that they wont live in and treat people like shit. I have been threatened by them, illegally searched, and they have tried to publically humiliate anyone of color for years in inner city LA. What they did on that march was uncalled for. It was worse though what they did to the blacks when the lakers won they're 3rd championship. They terrorized Crenshaw Blvd and fucked alot of people up for just driving down a street and honking their horns. I feel sad for what they did on the march but alot of the police officers , as you can tell by the vid, in no way have any regard for any of the people there. To protect and serve... my ass. :annoy: But that aside, I dont want to say they are all bad because there is about 50% of the force that don't suck, its just that they never get put in the public eye because the bad ones are always fuckin shit up.

[Ne0phyte]

You call that brutalizing? They didn't even get what they deserved.

And yeah, Dataika. Great idea. Has a regime change ever gone wrong?

It isn't America's job to improve everyone else.
It's not America's job to hire these workers illegally for illegal wages... but no one's complaining about that. If no one would give them jobs, why would they come? Do all American citizens protest when they call tech support and talk to some Indian woman claiming to be "Mary"? No, not when we go there, only when they come here are we losing jobs. It's perfectly fine that my dad had to move into a hotel in Tijuana because his company closed their plant here and moved it there, but God forbid people come here to find work.

[Dataika]

And yeah, Dataika. Great idea. Has a regime change ever gone wrong?

It isn't America's job to improve everyone else.

I'm not saying that America should just invade Mexico and take over (as in what is occuring now in Iraq), what I'm saying is that America should work with the Mexican people (communities, states, etc...) in an attempt to help Mexico. Like I said, American Corporations who leave the United States in order to pay Mexicans crap are part of a problem as well as the Mexican State whos labor laws are really crappy. Why don't we attempt to lobby and put pressure on Mexico so that they will fulfill their obligation to their citizens?

I agree with what Akelexre. But I would also venture to state that people who proclaim absurdities like "ILLEGALZ DONT PAY TAXEZ LOLZ!! OMFG THEY R STEALING STUFF!!!" is also part of the problem.

Like I said, most people look at illegal immigration as: "OMFG AMERICA ISNT DOIN NOTHIN TO U, STOP FUCKING WITH US!!@@!" which is just not the case. Why is Mexico like that? Why are Mexicans coming to America? Did we do anything to put these events in motion?

I am against Illegal Immigration but not Illegal Immigrants.

[capcomANDsnk]

^co-sign

"But the white man get paid off of all a dat"

most of u don't even know the ROOT of the problem is, who has the POWER to make decisions, etc. so S.T.F.U. por favor

and if you think labor unions are bad, you don't know shit.

all you really have to do is become a citizen and pay your taxes like the rest of us!

do you even know how long it takes to become a citizen these days? shit takes 4+ yrs!

[J-ride]

I wonder if they left out the part where the police were provoked by the people in mask throwing stones. Im sorry yall may see me as law enforcement biased because of my profession, but when a stone is picked up and thrown it becomes a deadly weapon. I dont play that shit. And thats just not my opinion but thats the way the law sees it.

YOU MEAN THAT THE POLICE DIDN'T JUST RUN IN THERE AND BEAT THOSE PEOPLE FOR NO REASON??? YOU LIE!!!

[hoax]

I'm sick of beaners already. Can't they go protest in their own country and change their government so they don't need to infest the united states? Also please go celebrate that horse shit you call a holiday cinco de mayo in Mexico please.

[Lick Me Off]

hoax;3877500']I'm sick of beaners already.


....i hate you.

[dn3000]

when was the last time we heard about the native americans marching or demonstrating?

:/

imo.

Never because the white man killed them all..:sad:

[GKI]

It is quite absurd to think thank that the immigration issue at hand has a binary solution. Understand that history between Mexico and the US is quite a finicky issue due to the history between the two nations, especially in the south west region. If you look towards that past people will see that there is a vicious cycle of pro- immigration followed by anti-immigration. Here is a good example, during the 1940's the US began a contract worker program with Mexico called The Bracero Program and then followed by the Operation Wetback once things got good again. With the elimination of The Bracero program the US decided to us Maquiladoras or Border Industrialization Program...

I guess I have no real point, but I encourage people to fight ignorance and research your history. You'll see that these modern issue have a had a long past.

[Doc Holliday]

And the reason why they send money back to Mexico is because most of them look at illegal immigration as a SHORT TERM solution so that they can actually LIVE in their own country.

Good one there. Just in that one sentence, you've managed to say that they come over here to leech temporarily on the economy, then bring back their winnings to their home country. That's not the way it's supposed to work.


The best way to stop illegal immigrants from coming here is to work with Mexico to make it a BETTER PLACE TO LIVE. Maybe even pay them livable wages in Mexico (omfg shock and awe that one).

Something even more awesome. So once again, it falls on U.S. shoulders to be responsible for bringing another country out of the shitter. How exactly is it the U.S.'s problem? Why are we in Iraq right now? To "set the country on the right path and MAKE IT A BETTER PLACE TO LIVE" albeit for different reasons/outcome. Should we be doing it? I vote "fuck no" because the middle east and how their lives are isn't my problem. Selfish, sure. Do I care, no.

As far as this whole illegal immigration thing goes, they absolutely shouldn't fucking be here. Being legal, fine. As an illegal, soaking up of welfare is going on. Yes, I know they aren't the only ones but they contribute. They do take jobs away from Americans. If you think that all they get is shit jobs, you're an idiot. They get to collect on Social Security now based on holding a job illegally in the past and this really pisses me off seeing as how it won't be around when I retire but they get to collect on the benefits. It's ridiculous. You want the rights, become a citizen. Not too difficult. This march demanding rights, shouldn't have ever happened because who are they to demand them

[Arsenal]

And your bet your ass if a bunch of Americans went to France or China or even Mexico illegally and started demanding anything, the governments of said countries would laugh their asses off and start deporting or even worse, locking folks up.


Yes. I think the people who are 100% blindly in support of illegal's equal rights need to step back and put the shoe on the other foot.

[tajiri]

/edited.

p.gorath is the repper that doesn't care about native americans.

[mylthazzz]

<<I'm not saying that America should just invade Mexico and take over (as in what is occuring now in Iraq), what I'm saying is that America should work with the Mexican people (communities, states, etc...) in an attempt to help Mexico. Like I said, American Corporations who leave the United States in order to pay Mexicans crap are part of a problem as well as the Mexican State whos labor laws are really crappy. Why don't we attempt to lobby and put pressure on Mexico so that they will fulfill their obligation to their citizens?
>>

Yea and after we spend all our money to help build mexican factories and improve their infastructure they'll export goods at prices we can't compete at and cause millions of americans to lose their jobs like the chinese are doing right now

[P. Gorath]

we should just keep shooting them with rubber bullets until they go back to where they came from.

hell, they are doing something illegal, we can do whatever we want to them.

if that doesn't work, we could try rounding up some of them and do water boarding, electric shock, sleep deprivation, and other forms of fraternity hijinx (club gitmo) in order to convince them to leave.


And your bet your ass if a bunch of Americans went to France or China or even Mexico illegally and started demanding anything, the governments of said countries would laugh their asses off and start deporting or even worse, locking folks up.

You show a depressing lack of any knowledge regarding the current immigration crisis in France, least of all other prominant countries of the world.

and shoo is still neg repping me over my post.

what a fucking twatwaffle.
actually that was me.

[tajiri]

we should just keep shooting them with rubber bullets until they go back to where they came from.

hell, they are doing something illegal, we can do whatever we want to them.

if that doesn't work, we could try rounding up some of them and do water boarding, electric shock, sleep deprivation, and other forms of fraternity hijinx (club gitmo) in order to convince them to leave.


actually that was me.

thanks for clearing that up for me.

[Dataika]

Good one there. Just in that one sentence, you've managed to say that they come over here to leech temporarily on the economy, then bring back their winnings to their home country. That's not the way it's supposed to work.

That's one way to look at it I guess. Another way is corporations and imperialism have infested Mexico for so long they are tired of it, they are tired of not getting paid correctly by many American companies (who, subsequently have no problem moving back and forth) and they are tired of all the hardships they have had to endure.

Like I said, maybe if your companies actually paid them liveable wages, they wouldn't have to send money back to Mexicans. When I said they look at it as a short term solution it means that they don't even want to do it but they feel they have to in order to survive.

I agree with you that this is not the way "it's" supposed to work.

So once again, it falls on U.S. shoulders to be responsible for bringing another country out of the shitter.

Please stop, you are purposefully misconstruing my statements. That's not what I said at all. What I said was when you are a superpower (who coincidentally got that way by stealing half of said country's land), who has continually contributed historically to its decline into shitdom and then you look around and wonder "OMFG WHY ARE THEY COMING HERE?!" Then we should at least look at the option of helping said country out of the shitter in order to make it a more desirable place to live. A better economy in Mexico means a better economy for everyone (isn't that the main premise of globalisation anyway?) which means it can't hurt.

Why are you so against this idea anyway? I'm not saying to invade the country and take it over like the Iraq fiasco.

Being legal, fine. As an illegal, soaking up of welfare is going on.

Even though they pay into it? Even though most basically have to "soak up" welfare because they have no benefits (even though they pay into it with their money and it gets taken out of their paychecks?)?

They do take jobs away from Americans

Nationalism like this is why everyone looks at Americans as a bunch of cocky, arrogant fucksticks. What exactly is an "American"? An American citizen? What about all those legal immigrants that come here who ARENT citizens? Are they "taking your jobs" too? Surely, you see the fault in this line of reasoning right?


EDIT: I didn't even see this because of the poor posting ability of the actual poster but...


Yea and after we spend all our money to help build mexican factories and improve their infastructure they'll export goods at prices we can't compete at and cause millions of americans to lose their jobs like the chinese are doing right now

Did you just miss the parts where I said pay them a fair wage and look at LABOR LAWS and LABOR RELATIONS?

And is "keeping American Jobs" the sole reason for everything now? Well shit, why don't we just invade a few other countries, kill their citizens and steal their shit so that our AMERICAN CITIZENS can have their jobs. Americans having jobs is important but it's not the be-all, end-all reason for social policy.

[spudlyff8fan]

You show a depressing lack of any knowledge regarding the current immigration crisis in France, least of all other prominant countries of the world.


If I was a Premium Member, I'd uber-rep you for that comment. I laffo'd.

but it is our job to police everyone else? ironic eh? and spud taking on dataika, that's classic.

Did you not read my post? Or do you just have a handicap related to sarcasm?

It's not America's job to hire these workers illegally for illegal wages... but no one's complaining about that. If no one would give them jobs, why would they come? Do all American citizens protest when they call tech support and talk to some Indian woman claiming to be "Mary"? No, not when we go there, only when they come here are we losing jobs. It's perfectly fine that my dad had to move into a hotel in Tijuana because his company closed their plant here and moved it there, but God forbid people come here to find work.

This is true. But America isn't hiring the illegal immigrants. Wal-Mart is. And I don't think that almost anyone would say that that's wrong. But there's a key contradiction in your post that I'll let you find.

I'm not saying that America should just invade Mexico and take over (as in what is occuring now in Iraq), what I'm saying is that America should work with the Mexican people (communities, states, etc...) in an attempt to help Mexico. Like I said, American Corporations who leave the United States in order to pay Mexicans crap are part of a problem as well as the Mexican State whos labor laws are really crappy. Why don't we attempt to lobby and put pressure on Mexico so that they will fulfill their obligation to their citizens?I don't think you appreciate (or know about) the amount of money that the American government gives to Mexico, and not just for their oil. I also don't think you appreciate (or know about) the laws that prevent American corporations from outsourcing with any degree of ease. And what are we supposed to "lobby" them for? Are we supposed to tell them to keep their undesirables to themselves? Why would they want to? Mexico has a chance to do things that almost no other country has the chance to: get rid of its poor people. They're saving themselves potentially trillions of dollars in the long-run while HAVING THEIR TOP SOURCE OF INCOME BE FROM MEXICANS IN AMERICA SEND MONEY HOME (which beat out oil and diamonds as Mexico's #1 source of income in 2006). Mexico has NOTHING to gain by stopping people from leaving, and they have so much to gain by encouraging them to.

I agree with what Akelexre. But I would also venture to state that people who proclaim absurdities like "ILLEGALZ DONT PAY TAXEZ LOLZ!! OMFG THEY R STEALING STUFF!!!" is also part of the problem.

Like I said, most people look at illegal immigration as: "OMFG AMERICA ISNT DOIN NOTHIN TO U, STOP FUCKING WITH US!!@@!" which is just not the case. Why is Mexico like that? Why are Mexicans coming to America? Did we do anything to put these events in motion?

I am against Illegal Immigration but not Illegal Immigrants.I don't think that people are going to put illegal immigrants who forded the Rio Grande and hiked through the desert to feed their starving family on the same moral plane as, say, OJ Simpson. But you simply can't blame the citizen-at-large for being fed up with having to just bend over and bite their lip with illegal immigrants taking over hospitals (last time I had to go to an Urgent Care, I had to wait for about 3 hours and about 4 people spoke English, including me, the assistant and the doctor), getting more college scholarships from the government (yup, illegal immigrants have more federally-funded scholarship opportunities than citizens...i.e. me), getting on welfare (not that there's a majority of illegal immigrants who come over here, squeeze out a kid and then live off the system...but we all know it happens) and, most notably, for these protests where they claim to be entitled to it.

That said, I'm not for a mass-deportation. But I definitely don't believe that the current system is working.

[angryliberal]

Did you not read my post? Or do you just have a handicap related to sarcasm?

a - sarcasm does not alway come across well online
b - my initial belief is that sarcasm requires more understanding of language than i normally give you credit for.

[spudlyff8fan]

Sarcasm doesn't always come across well on the internet, but in this case it was pretty damn obvious. I think the smarter thing to do would be admit you didn't read my post and run along.

[akumachan]

I wonder if they left out the part where the police were provoked by the people in mask throwing stones. Im sorry yall may see me as law enforcement biased because of my profession, but when a stone is picked up and thrown it becomes a deadly weapon. I dont play that shit. And thats just not my opinion but thats the way the law sees it.

Granted. If a rock is thrown at me Im going to treat that shit seriously too. BUT thats not what people are upset about. It was the indiscriminate action that was taken that bothers most people. I dont think anyone is trying to defend the people who were throwing cans,bottles and rocks. I think people are upset over the fact that the police did not differentiate between agressors and innocent bystanders. It is clear in the videos that people were TRYING to get out of the way in Macarthur park. But if they didnt move fast enough or they stopped to help a fallen friend then they were beaten or shot with a rubber bullet. And people also said that the police laughed and joked about it as they were hitting people. Thats fucked up. Talk about getting a little high on your power...

i understand that the police have to take decisive action, but that action should include trampling and beating innocent people for not getting out of the way fast enough.

And I am not a police hater. I appreciate the men and women who go out there and do a job I WOULD NOT do. But that does not mean that I excuse that kind of behavior. I applaud GOOD cops. But the ones who abuse their power are no better than criminals.

-AC
LAPD is at it again!

[Rhio2k]

i understand that the police have to take decisive action, but that action should include trampling and beating innocent people for not getting out of the way fast enough.

Just like on The Boondocks...they fit the description.

[spudlyff8fan]

Granted. If a rock is thrown at me Im going to treat that shit seriously too. BUT thats not what people are upset about. It was the indiscriminate action that was taken that bothers most people. I dont think anyone is trying to defend the people who were throwing cans,bottles and rocks. I think people are upset over the fact that the police did not differentiate between agressors and innocent bystanders. It is clear in the videos that people were TRYING to get out of the way in Macarthur park. But if they didnt move fast enough or they stopped to help a fallen friend then they were beaten or shot with a rubber bullet. And people also said that the police laughed and joked about it as they were hitting people. Thats fucked up. Talk about getting a little high on your power...

i understand that the police have to take decisive action, but that action should include trampling and beating innocent people for not getting out of the way fast enough.

And I am not a police hater. I appreciate the men and women who go out there and do a job I WOULD NOT do. But that does not mean that I excuse that kind of behavior. I applaud GOOD cops. But the ones who abuse their power are no better than criminals.

-AC
LAPD is at it again!

How were they supposed to identify and apprehend somebody standing behind probably 20 people who lobbed a rock and beamed them over the head? The police weren't there to help the protest or hinder it. They were just there to break it up if it turned violent, which it did. It was either they chase off the illegal immigrants or they just sit back, get beaten on and then watch it turn into a riot. It's the fault of whoever threw the stuff for ruining it, and the cops did nothing wrong.

And I think you're just being nit-picky. It's not like they lined up and started killing people. The protests were turning violent and they way you're SUPPOSED to deal with it is tear gas, rubber bullets and hitting people with sticks. I mean, they can't use sunshine and bunnies to break it up, now can they?

[NAMMMMMM]

You call that brutalizing? They didn't even get what they deserved.



im sorry, but theres no doubt that lapd went apeshit overboard in this situation.

the minute they started batoning the FUCKING media, that was a wrap on their credibility on how they handled the situation.

the camera woman from FOX KTLA is actually suing now coz she has a fractured wrist or some shit coz pigs pushed her (while she is HOLDING A FUCKING BIG ASS CAMCORDER) on her ass.

[RockBogart]

How were they supposed to identify and apprehend somebody standing behind probably 20 people who lobbed a rock and beamed them over the head? The police weren't there to help the protest or hinder it. They were just there to break it up if it turned violent, which it did. It was either they chase off the illegal immigrants or they just sit back, get beaten on and then watch it turn into a riot. It's the fault of whoever threw the stuff for ruining it, and the cops did nothing wrong.

And I think you're just being nit-picky. It's not like they lined up and started killing people. The protests were turning violent and they way you're SUPPOSED to deal with it is tear gas, rubber bullets and hitting people with sticks. I mean, they can't use sunshine and bunnies to break it up, now can they?

Damn, you just said what I was gonna say.

[Rhio2k]

How were they supposed to identify and apprehend somebody standing behind probably 20 people who lobbed a rock and beamed them over the head out of a crowd of people where everybody looks the same?

And I think you're just being nit-picky. It's not like they lined up and started killing people. The protests were turning violent and the way you're SUPPOSED to deal with it is tear gas, rubber bullets and hitting people with sticks. I mean, they can't use pastel-colored talking ponies and teddy bears with rainbow symbols on their tummies to break it up, now can they?


Fixed 4 joo.

[akumachan]

hoax;3877500']I'm sick of beaners already. Can't they go protest in their own country and change their government so they don't need to infest the united states? Also please go celebrate that horse shit you call a holiday cinco de mayo in Mexico please.

I dont agree with all of this post, but I dont disagree with all of it either. I am not sick of "beaners". I am sick of the arguments and protests that say america should just give all the illegal people livin here automatic legal status. ummm no. I think that this country CAN accommodate many of the people that want to live here. But they need to go about it legally so we can track who is here. Also all the people who sneak over here are basically boning the people who are trying to go through the proper channels. I am sick of illegal people coming here having a child on american soil and then claiming that they shouldnt be sent back because their kids are United States citizens. It is a BURDEN on our social services. Every time we have spend money on someone who is not supposed to be here, that is money that is not being spent on a citizen.


Here's what I agree with:

"Can't they go protest in their own country and change their government"


Thats what I agree with. Do I have problems with people who immigrate here LEGALLY? nope. Not one bit. I think all people should have the chance to come here LEGALLY. Not skip across the border because they dont like where they live.

If you dont like where you live then either get on the list to come here LEGALLY or FIX THAT SHIT in your country!! Running across the border does not solve the problems back home. Maybe if they spent more time getting their government and economy in order then maybe they wouldnt want to come here by the millions. I dont have any problems with people WANTING to come here, but if you are here ILLEGALLY then at least ADMIT that you are breaking our country's laws and the US is NOT obligated in any way to make you legal just because you want to be legal and you were lucky enough to make it here without getting caught.

Now on the US side... Should the US government make is easier for people to get work visas and become legal? Yup. I defiitely think the process for people waiting to come here legally is overly complicated and way too drwan out. And this is for people coming from anywhere. I have a friend from Russia who is here legally but it took her family one HELL of a long time to do it. it took over 10 years for her family to finally be approved and be allowed to move here. Thats ridiculous. 10 years??? So yes the process should be streamlined.

But just because its a long process does NOT mean that people should just be able to bypass our immigration laws. What blows my mind is that they have the balls to complain at America when it doesnt automatically bow down and let people come here wholesale. Thats a TERRIBLE policy for a country. ALL countries need to keep track of who is born there, who comes there and who leaves there.


But I think latin american people would be better served and better serve themselves if they would FIX THEIR COUNTRY'S PROBLEMS instead of running here. And Im not all that against forcing many of those people to stay home and fix it.

-AC
there i said it

[akumachan]

Good one there. Just in that one sentence, you've managed to say that they come over here to leech temporarily on the economy, then bring back their winnings to their home country. That's not the way it's supposed to work.




Something even more awesome. So once again, it falls on U.S. shoulders to be responsible for bringing another country out of the shitter. How exactly is it the U.S.'s problem? Why are we in Iraq right now? To "set the country on the right path and MAKE IT A BETTER PLACE TO LIVE" albeit for different reasons/outcome. Should we be doing it? I vote "fuck no" because the middle east and how their lives are isn't my problem. Selfish, sure. Do I care, no.

As far as this whole illegal immigration thing goes, they absolutely shouldn't fucking be here. Being legal, fine. As an illegal, soaking up of welfare is going on. Yes, I know they aren't the only ones but they contribute. They do take jobs away from Americans. If you think that all they get is shit jobs, you're an idiot. They get to collect on Social Security now based on holding a job illegally in the past and this really pisses me off seeing as how it won't be around when I retire but they get to collect on the benefits. It's ridiculous. You want the rights, become a citizen. Not too difficult. This march demanding rights, shouldn't have ever happened because who are they to demand them


I absolutely agree here too.

Fixing latin america is NOT OUR JOB. And it shouldn't be. It's their job. It's not our job to fix ANY country. Be it Iraq or Mexico. We should not have to undertake the physical nor financial responsibility to clean up another country's mess.

Within its own people, lies the ability of EVERY country in the world to fix its own problems. Another country does NOT need to come in and regulate.



And for people who think that the US should do this... just STOP and think about that for a moment. I mean REALLY think about it. Think about what this would mean for latin american peoples? hmmm?? what happens if the US starts to sink massive amounts of money and effort into Mexico or some other country??

WE OWN IT. thats what happens. Mexicans lose their identity as Mexicans. They pay our taxes, they follow our laws, the WHITE HOUSE is where their new seat of power is. The mexican president is out of job. So unless Mexico is ready to become the 51st state of the US then I think they should fix their own damn problems. The US has neither the time nor the money to "fix" another country (as evidenced by this folly we call iraq) The US has its own problems to deal with.

So... does anyone think latin americans are ready to be annexed by the US?? cause thats what it would take. ummm Im betting that most of those people would not be very happy to have the US roll in and take command. In fact I think the reaction might be a little bit like the one in... iraq. But that would be the necessary asking price for us to "fix things"

-AC
americans need to focus on fixing american problems

[Rhio2k]

But I think latin american people would be better served and better serve themselves if they would FIX THEIR COUNTRY'S PROBLEMS instead of running here. And Im not all that against forcing many of those people to stay home and fix it.

-AC
there i said it

The pres of Mexico is practicing a more humane form of ethnic cleansing: sending the darker people elsewhere. He doesn't want them in "his people's" Mexico, but he doesn't want to kill them, so he blames their problems on us and tells them to invade us and take back what is theirs. I don't know what agendas the other latin leaders are up to.

[akumachan]

How were they supposed to identify and apprehend somebody standing behind probably 20 people who lobbed a rock and beamed them over the head? The police weren't there to help the protest or hinder it. They were just there to break it up if it turned violent, which it did. It was either they chase off the illegal immigrants or they just sit back, get beaten on and then watch it turn into a riot. It's the fault of whoever threw the stuff for ruining it, and the cops did nothing wrong.

And I think you're just being nit-picky. It's not like they lined up and started killing people. The protests were turning violent and they way you're SUPPOSED to deal with it is tear gas, rubber bullets and hitting people with sticks. I mean, they can't use sunshine and bunnies to break it up, now can they?

I understand that the police did not have time to line people who and pic out who the agressors were. BUT, I think it was fairly obvious that someone with a PRESS PASS holding a 100 pound news camera (or however much those things weigh) is NOT one of the people who threw rocks. and knocking down a press member who is carrying the camera and then beating their co-worker who is trying to help them stand up and get out of the way is HIGHLY innapropriate!

I am referring mostly to the footage shot in Macarthur park.. I mean did you look at the footage? In macarthur park it is CLEAR that excessive force was used on members of the press who were NOT causing the problems.

Beating people who are TRYING to comply is not the way they are supposed to do things. yes it is a stressful situation for the police but that does not make what happened ok.

[DJreact]

2. fix mexico. get rid of the corruption and poverty so that they arent so desperate to leave.

thats gonna be hard considering americans are the ones responsible.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IswoDVEWtYQ

and Dataika is the truth...:pray:

[spudlyff8fan]

Do you think this is the first time a cop went Rolento on a press member?

They weren't trying to find the guys who threw stuff, they were trying to disperse the crowd. I don't think the cops should go "damn, he's with Fox! I should club a Mexican instead."

[EmptyJumpThrow]

I feel you on the whole fix mexico thing, but on the labor unions I can't say so. Even though they have they're negativity involved they're not as bad for the worker and in most cases helps the common man to keep his position.

On the illegal immagrant part, and trying to protest... well they're illegal and demanding rights. Not really smart in terms of asking for change in politics but you aren't going about it the right way by coming here properly, but I understand that the drive to come to a better land and have a better opportunity is important. I would say that they would have more of a chance with dealing with the problem politically if they did not just run into the country. If you came here illegally, unfortunately you will be a second class citizen in terms of how companies and people who handle money will treat you. sad but true. They do deserve rights though as humans and shouldn't be treated as shit, but dont bitch because you illegally got here. If you dont want to become legal, then you can't complain unless it is going against human rights. (I feel bad saying that but it is true)

On the bitch made LAPD. FUCK EM! I am born and raise LA black man and I have never seen such an organized gang like the LAPD. They patrol neighborhoods that they wont live in and treat people like shit. I have been threatened by them, illegally searched, and they have tried to publically humiliate anyone of color for years in inner city LA. What they did on that march was uncalled for. It was worse though what they did to the blacks when the lakers won they're 3rd championship. They terrorized Crenshaw Blvd and fucked alot of people up for just driving down a street and honking their horns. I feel sad for what they did on the march but alot of the police officers , as you can tell by the vid, in no way have any regard for any of the people there. To protect and serve... my ass. :annoy: But that aside, I dont want to say they are all bad because there is about 50% of the force that don't suck, its just that they never get put in the public eye because the bad ones are always fuckin shit up.



Haha, its a long quote. I apologize. But I have been reading this whole thread, waiting to get to the end so I could say what I think, and this guy took a lot of the words out of my mouth, so I figured I might as well toss some credit someones way. There were about half a dozen people I was GOING to quote, but T. Hawk here has the best I've seen for me.

I didn't grow up in L.A. I don't know about the racist police force. But I infinitely appreciate your ability to admit that there ARE good cops over there. When people make all encompassing remarks like "The L.A.P.D. are just a bunch of racist assholes," it really saddens me to think that there is a state of mind like that somewhere. I am taking the Connecticut State Police test in 2 weeks. I did an internship with a branch of the CT State Police 4 months ago. These are real men, real cops. They care. They want to do good by the community. It is what I aspire to be. CT is no ghetto, I am the first to admit that, but I was considering moving to NY just because the NYPD has such a poor reputation, and I would have liked to exercise my integrity and love for my fellow man. Perhaps make a small step towards boosting the reputation of that department (Ultimately I decided it wasn't for me).

In the OP's link, the kid who is recording his news story is not in the vicinity of the initial incident, so he has no idea whether or not the police just started shooting people for no reason. Again, I don't know shit about the LAPD personally, but I have to believe there was something to incite the police' INITIAL actions. However, after the first five minutes, it seemed pretty clear that things were under control. There was no need to march around the city like a death squad. And then I think about it again, and I say Welllllll, those guys are really just taking orders from higher ups. It is easy to criticize them and say "Do whats right," but if you are a police officer who BECAME a police officer so that you could help people (which is a rigorous process, at least at the state level), then losing your job doesn't help you achieve that. So you follow orders to walk around looking intimidating and hope to contribute on another day. It is much easier to TELL someone to put their career/income/family at risk by getting fired from a job that you wanted your whole life than it is to actually DO it. I think we would all like to believe we have that kind of integrity, but very few of us do. In short, was it the police going out and having some fun by shooting people? I really think not. But was it overkill? Sadly I believe it may have been.

On the issue of illegal immigration, it is a sensitive one, and a confusing one. I am not entirely sure where I stand on the subject, but if you take into account the fact that any illegal immigrant at that march COULD HAVE been arrested and deported, it is hard to believe they are complaining about anything going on. That is pretty hypocritical. THE POLICE ARE BREAKING THE LAW!...meanwhile your very presence is completely illegal and we turn a blind eye. My problem with the debate is that society portrays illegal immigrants as terrible people. That I really don't agree with. Desperate maybe? Ignorant to our laws maybe? But bad people? I have to disagree.

My mom and sister ride horses at a barn down the road from where my folks live, and the place hires all illegals as stablehands and the likes They are hardworking motherfuckers, let me tell you. They are the first ones there and the last ones to leave. But their pay is all under the table. They are not paying taxes on it. They are all really nice, good guys, but they are still breaking the law. Whether or not it is a good law is is not the issue, the fact is that it is a law. Most of us would argue that we safely drive 75 or 80 on the highway, but law enforcement probably isn't going to empathize with that argument, nor should they. They don't make the laws, they enforce them. So it leads to much confusion.

I took a class revolving around the concept of globalization, and much of the focus of the class was immigrant workers who send their paychecks home to their families. The class referred more to countries generally poorer than Mexico, but I feel the concepts still apply. They work here because they make more for their family. So while they are here, they may not be living too well, but they are sending their money home to their family, and have chosen to suck it up for a few years to give their family a better life. Admirable, honorable, and chivalrous, but if you come in illegally, you should not be complaining about your situation. Long story short, I agree with Mr. Hawk. I feel bad for saying it, because I have nothing against you personally, but if you are illegal, please don't complain about your lack of rights that you haven't earned by gaining citizenship. It simply defies logic. Sure, we can fire any of those police officers who may or may not have acted illegally, but if thats what you want, then we should probably deport you too.

On the subject of unions...Ehhh, I suppose they are necessary. The thing is this. Don't take a job, knowing the pay, the hours, the benefits, etc, and then complain and whine and picket and veto the contract that you read, agreed with at the time, and then signed. My mother works at a hospital full of stupid ass middle class women who call out of work sick twice a week (and are only scheduled 4 days), don't do shit while they are there because they are scared of screwing up, and do nothing but bitch about how they dont get paid enough. Come on. You selfish, lazy bitches. My mother has worked there for 17 years and has a stock of 70 something sick days. She has never once called out sick when she was not. THAT is integrity, and its something I have never seen anywhere I have worked. Admittedly, I have worked with mostly people my age, whom many would not expect to be mature enough to be responsible, but in the 7 years I have been employed in the workforce I have called out sick 2 days ever, and I was sick 2 days. My parents would have whooped my ass if I told a boss I would be there and then decided I didn't feel like it, so I will just call out sick. Thats not what sick days are for. Anyway, so the union at the hospital my mother works at is CONSTANTLY threatening to go on strike and blah blah blah. My mother gets put in a tough spot, because she gets paid well because she worked her ass off for 17 years. She disagrees that the contracts are unfair. So she gets ready to go to work with a bunch of scabs while every one of her coworkers prepares to picket outside the building. She will be ostracized for "giving in to The Man" or whatever bullshit these people think, just because she believes that there is something to be said for HARD WORK. A rare sentiment nowadays.

Anyway, the bit about unions is rather unrelated, but its just something that I have always felt strongly about. If anyone takes the time to read this whole thing, I appreciate it. Hope you were able to take something away from it.

[Rhio2k]

BUT, I think it was fairly obvious that someone with a PRESS PASS holding a 100 pound news camera (or however much those things weigh) is NOT one of the people who threw rocks.

Dear, sweet, sadly already-spoken-for Achan: one thing cops learned YEARS ago in the Rodney King "incident" is that the dude with the camera gets priority asswhippings.

[RockBogart]

Dear, sweet, sadly already-spoken-for Achan: one thing cops learned YEARS ago in the Rodney King "incident" is that the dude with the camera gets priority asswhippings.

Plus they worked for Fox, they had that asswhippin coming. :rofl:

[Okazaki III]

It's not about the status of illegal immigrants in the US, it's about the LAPD going apeshit. The LAPD should never have acted in the way they did, whether the demonstrators are illegal or not.

Having that said, do you think the LAPD would act the same way if it was a demonstration of students at a campus? I don't think so. I think situations like this keep highlighting how fucking ignorant the LAPD is, but nothing will be done about it. Some idiot throws a rock: take him down. Don't fucking rush down women and kids in the process as well.

In 30 days there will be some sort of conclusion to it all, and some vague high commissioner some place somewhere in the LAPD will get fired and that's the end of it. Nothing will change because you will always have a % of LAPD cops that are and will remain assholes, and they will stay on the foce anyway.

(this is me talking like I know, I'm not even from the US)

[spudlyff8fan]

Having that said, do you think the LAPD would act the same way if it was a demonstration of students at a campus? Yes. Do you know how many times that's happened in the past 50 years?
(this is me talking like I know, I'm not even from the US)

Oh, I guess not :rolleyes:

Leave it to foreigners to say something like that.

[Okazaki III]

Thanks for enlighting me, oh wise one.

All I wanted to say was that the LAPD was out of order.

Sorry for being a e-foreigner.

[P. Gorath]

Again, I don't know shit about the LAPD personally, but I have to believe there was something to incite the police' INITIAL actions.

Just dont think of the LAPD as cops like you, and you wont feel the need to try and defend them. It really is different here.

And I would love to see some links from reputable news sources for rockbogart's allegations.

[RockBogart]

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-lapd4may04,1,4628827.story?coll=la-headlines-california

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/05/03/immigration.melee.ap/index.html

[spudlyff8fan]

Thanks for enlighting me, oh wise one.

All I wanted to say was that the LAPD was out of order.

Sorry for being a e-foreigner.

Just remember to keep your e-mouth shut about things you're c;ueless about.

[Okazaki III]

oooh bait, OK I'll bite.

How about you try to make a clear point when addressing me rather than mouthing off like a dumb fuck. I said that the LAPD would have acted differently if it was a student rally. Now you come out and say that it has happened before in the past 50 years. OK, so if I was wrong then I'm wrong. Boo-fucking-hoo. Perhaps there are cases in the past where the LAPD beasted on students, sure, so well done and get yourself some cookies with a large glass of milk!

The point is that the LAPD would have gone into that demonstration with a fucking different mindset if they were students rather than mexican immigrant workers (illegal or not). I think the reason why the LAPD went outta line was because they were dealing with Mexican demonstrators.

Take your low-tier mickey mouse argumentation elsewhere little boy, you ain't got shit on this foreigner here. (unless you want some foreign shlong dongle in your mouth).

[Pimp Willy]

The reason they were "out of line" is because they were attacked with bottles, rocks, and other tossed debris by people wearing masks over there faces, and who even went so far as to have one of their own pushed off his motorcycle by the crowd. At that point, it became violent, and issues were ordered to clear the park.

Now, I've looked at a bit of youtube posted video, not press edited coverage, and you know what I see? I see a bunch of DUMB people trying to be defiant. Cops are coming in with guns, and a lady walks TOWARDS them with her baby in her arms yelling at them. WTF lady, get your baby at get the fuck out. All the people getting knocked over/hit were not doing what they were supposed to be. From a cops perspective, who is ordered to clear the park, you CLEAR THE PARK. You don't pick and choose. Crowd Dispersal tactics are not pretty, but they are effective.

If they had NOT done what they did, then the violence from the crowd may have escalated and would have resulted in a riot.

[Robust]

pimp willy is mentally challenged

azhoax is retarded

Akumachan is also mentally challenged.

I like how everyone thinks its to easy to migrate to america from mexico.

fucking idiots.

<3 mexico

</3 dumb people :'(

[Rhio2k]

pimp willy is mentally challenged

azhoax is retarded

Akumachan is also mentally challenged.




So you think cops are supposed to do nothing when assaulted? Mind telling us why you think so? And nobody said it was easy to get here from Mexico.

[Robust]

So you think cops are supposed to do nothing when assaulted?

I am not going to participate in this discussion. My opinions are going to be biased, and imbued with plenty of mexican love. However, when i see retardation in the form of posts on srk, I feel it is right, and even my duty, to point out how wrong they are. They clearly do not understand the dynamics of the people involved in the situation. I mean, its not like education is expensive these days, you can go to community college for 12 dollars a unit.

<3

[Pimp Willy]

Better start selling some more oranges to make that $12 a unit!

<3

[FrankSweatypits]

THE POLICE ARE BREAKING THE LAW!...meanwhile your very presence is completely illegal and we turn a blind eye.

I don't necessarily know that it is hypocritical. To my knowledge, police are not to react to every illegal action with violence. The LAPD has a horrible reputation because, unfortunately, members of that department have had questionable actions made public. As it stands, I don't think that we can safely assume who started the attacks.

But their pay is all under the table. They are not paying taxes on it. They are all really nice, good guys, but they are still breaking the law.

Of course, so are those hiring them and rarely are those who are exploiting immigrant labour ever criminalized. Moreso, particularly in smaller cities and towns under the table pay is common and not simply for immigrants, but for younger workers who are looking to pay off for school. It's an issue that's never really mentioned because those people aren't immigrants.

I think it's really easy for people to complain about immigrants particularly when they've had the privilege of not having to emigrate. I've noticed that in the case of Europeans with immigrants from Africa or in the States with Latin American immigrants, people forget that the conditions of their countries are linked to exploitation and inequality in a world market thanks to globalization.

Furthermore, the people leaving their countries are not simply immigrants to our countries, they are emigrating as well - they have life stories, they live in unbearable situations, and they've been sold the royal scam that is that life in the States is so much easier (and whether or not it is easier in every case is questionable, and I won't deny that in many cases, life is at least better).

Ah, I should also mention for those who seem to be completely unaware - when you are faced with a situation that is dangerous or unhealthy, generally people tend to do what they can to survive. Given that getting citizenship has become increasingly difficult and a longwinded process, and given that there are certain eh 'qualifications' or rather, that certain people are more likely to get citizenship before others, it seems silly to think that illegal immigration would be anything but inevitable.

[spudlyff8fan]

I'm wrong.

Glad you admit it. You can go now.

[Against Me!]

Duncan Hunter '08 :wonder:

[Robust]

Better start selling some more oranges to make that $12 a unit!

<3

I knew you hated mexicans. You should have just posted like azhoax, at least he was up front and didn't even attempt to engage in a serious discussion.

[spudlyff8fan]

So...when did people start thinking that globalization started hurting people in foreign countries? Because that flawed notion is so ridiculously common that it embarasses me that people who think that live in my country.

[P. Gorath]

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-lapd4may04,1,4628827.story?coll=la-headlines-california

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/05/03/immigration.melee.ap/index.html

nothing there about masked hoodlums throwing rocks at officers

[Dataika]

I absolutely agree here too.

Fixing latin america is NOT OUR JOB.

Then you didn't bother reading my responses. I never said it was our job and I never said we had to do it. What I said was that if we want to fix the current problem, sitting in our own little bubble with our fingers in our ears isn't going to fix it.

Simple logic here:
If Mexico was better, more people would want to live there. More people would want to stay there. People wouldn't have to leave Mexico because they can't afford to live there.

What's wrong with attempting to help make that a reality so that we can stop the huge influx of illegal immigrants? Illegal immigration not only hurts America it hurts the Illegal Immigrants themselves.

Within its own people, lies the ability of EVERY country in the world to fix its own problems. Another country does NOT need to come in and regulate.

While this is true, this is not to say that the people in these countries are able to do it at any single point in history. Or that it is particularly a ripe situation for such a revolution.

To sit there and claim "Oh well those countries are on their own because they could do something about it but choose not to" is not only an unrealistic outlook but an enormously selfish one. Should we not volunteer to help those poor starving people in 3rd World Countries? I mean, after all, they could do something to change it, they just don't. Lazy fucks.

Think about what this would mean for latin american peoples? hmmm?? what happens if the US starts to sink massive amounts of money and effort into Mexico or some other country??

Yeah, I mean, it's not like America hasn't fucked over Latin America before. Why couldn't we make a deal to help almost all of Latin America considering we've had a hand historically in its journey into shit?

WE OWN IT. thats what happens. Mexicans lose their identity as Mexicans.

Uh wow, so helping Mexico means we own it. If you need money for a car and someone helps you out, do they own you? Do you lose your identity? Of course not. In fact, the very notion is ridiculous.

In fact I think the reaction might be a little bit like the one in... iraq. But that would be the necessary asking price for us to "fix things"

Not at all...
Iraq = INVADING (because we all know that helping a Country means invading them :rolleyes: ) a country under false pretenses in order to justify greed.

Helping Mexico = Lending a hand to a nation that is in need in order to stop a current American issue (illegal immigration).

americans need to focus on fixing american problems

Illegal Immigration isn't an American problem? Isn't that what this whole debate is about?



Rest of SRK:
All of your comments about Illegal Immigrants not deserving of any protections... why? What is the reasoning behind this? That they don't pay into the system (I've already shown that's ridiculous)? That they take out more than they pay (well the same could be said of dozens of American citizens)? Is it that they are criminals (even though crim