Look here before asking about what type of stick you should use!

[Mizuki]

Okay, I don't have school today, and I am sick and tired of seeing these type of threads EVERY OTHER DAY!

Basically there are two "sub categories" of sticks. American and Japanese.

American parts are almost always Happ, or some knock-off brand. Happ is the shit you see in American arcades.

They're bat-top stick that is very stiff, usually have a hard spring in them. Buttons are either concave or very flat buttons that seem like you have to press down all the way to respond. I mostly see the flat buttons around.

Many people who make custom sticks like using American parts for Marvel vs Capcom 2.

Sticks you can buy with parts that are American that are worth getting are that follows:
Street Fighter 15th Anniversary Arcade stick by Nubitech (most people mod out the buttons)
MAS System sticks, people generally use these for MvC2
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Then there are the Japanese parts. Mostly made by either Sanwa, or Seimitsu.

They are the shit you find in Japanese arcades (see the pattern?).

The stick is usually ball top (but bat tops for these stick do exist), You usually do not have to use too much force using this stick, as they are looser than Happ-type sticks. Buttons are nice and rounded, very, VERY sensitive, and you do not have to press them all the way.

Many people use these parts in custom sticks for MOST games, as they are nice and responsive.

Stock sticks that are worth getting with Japanese parts are that follows:
Hori Real Arcade Pro's (Most of these have Sanwa parts mixed with Hori stock parts)
Tekken 5 10th Anniversary Arcade Stick (US, All Hori Stock parts)
Capcom Fighting Jam arcade stick (I think it's an HRAP iirc)
Arcana Heart arcade stick (It's an Hrap 1)
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Q: How do I know which one I would like?
A: Easy, Do you like the feel of parts in your local arcade? (if your in North America), if they're too stiff for you, you might like Sanwa/Seimitsu.

Q: How about if I like American stick, but Japanese buttons (or vice-versa)
A: You'd have to go to custom-stick land for that, I do not know of ANY stock sticks that do this (correct me if I'm wrong). Byrdo, and many custom stick makers here on SRK can probally make one for you, but Byrdo is more of a store where he makes it, then you can buy it, I don't know if he still makes requests.

Q: I bought a stock stick from the store, can I swap out parts for same country parts (Bought HRAP, want Sanwa parts)
A: Yes, you might have to do a little modding, there are FAQ's littered all over the place in this forum. Look.

Q: I bought a Tekken 5 stick, and I want to modd it with Happ parts, is that possible?
A: Honestly, I don't know. I've never met/seen anyone who wanted to do this. I think it's possible, you just have to gut everything out and mod it to hell and back.
*edit!*
You can! Poon and markR has done this before.
Basically it's alot of work, but if you put effort in and you like happ you should be satisfied.
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Sticks you WANT to avoid:
Pelican, Mad Catz, any crappy American 3rd party maker shit.
XArcade, I heard that it lags like on every converter known to man, and it just sucks period.
Asian bootleg arcade sticks. Seriously. There are TONS of Hori bootlegs out there, they're mostly crap iirc, but I guess you can use it for a nice sturdy case.

If there are anyone else who wants to add anything constructive, be my guest. Oh and any mod, can you please sticky this?

[shoo]

thanks mizuki

im very sick of those threads T_T

this kind of thing should be stickied :tup:


i can add stuff later when im home

[Mizuki]

*bump* This is NOT going to get swallowed by the death pit of posts.

[Taiki]

Pelican's real arcade line is fairly decent and incredibly mod-able.

I'd recommend it to anyone who's cheap/lazy and doesn't mind occasionally blowing out a ps2 rumble volt line or two

[chippermonky]

cough, there is already a thread like this but it is lost in the midst of death threads. And purple font is always cool.

[Gasp]

Q: I bought a Tekken 5 stick, and I want to modd it with Happ parts, is that possible?
A: Honestly, I don't know. I've never met/seen anyone who wanted to do this. I think it's possible, you just have to gut everything out and mod it to hell and back.




its been done poon has been known to do this how exactly i have no clue


also
BUMP
with random stuff


CONCAVE: if you played SFII back in the day you'd know these buttons by heart, if not they curve inward so your fingers can rest inside of the buttons. New school as well as marvel players do not enjoy these buttons since they tend to hurt the players fingers when playing fast or mashing, they tend to perfer convex buttons
CONVEX: these look exactly like a concave button except the curve is inversed so it looks like a mini-dome

[deadfrog]

But Mizuki, why would anyone ever post about what type of stick you should use?! :lol:

[BeaTs*]

I play mostly marvel but do prefer concave...I seem to hit one of the buttons sooner than the other with convex...screws up dashes and what not

I do like bat top, but they were looser. not sure

what are square-gates/octagon/360's? I here a lot of stuff like that, stuff I think I should know?

[paper tiger]

Well, they do make bat top attachments for Japanese sticks, so with few exceptions, you can have a bat on most anything.

[BeaTs*]

cool, I just have to ask the person who works there because I'm not quite sure....they are like happ, but shorter bats...a little thicker too and wiggle all over the place. can be annoying when not in top shape...but when they work perfect it is <3

[Mizuki]

Is there a mod for this forum anyways?

[chippermonky]

Is there a mod for this forum anyways?

Considering how much I trash talking noobs I get away with in this forum. There probably isn't.

I'm just dissapointed at the uninformative stickies really though. There are tons of very informative threads out there but they never see the brink of daylight because the stickies only point to useless threads. I contacted a mod about it but he didn't do anything :(.

[markR]

Q: I bought a Tekken 5 stick, and I want to modd it with Happ parts, is that possible?
A: Honestly, I don't know. I've never met/seen anyone who wanted to do this. I think it's possible, you just have to gut everything out and mod it to hell and back.




its been done poon has been known to do this how exactly i have no clue


also
BUMP
with random stuff


CONCAVE: if you played SFII back in the day you'd know these buttons by heart, if not they curve inward so your fingers can rest inside of the buttons. New school as well as marvel players do not enjoy these buttons since they tend to hurt the players fingers when playing fast or mashing, they tend to perfer convex buttons
CONVEX: these look exactly like a concave button except the curve is inversed so it looks like a mini-dome

I did it also. You have to pop off the buttons and dremel/sand off tabs. Then you have to get the mounting plate off (I drilled through the welds), so you can have space for the Happ Joystick. Then you drill a new hole for the joystick shaft and four new holes to mount it. If it doesnt fit, you have to hack the crap out of the plastic base. If you don't like the height of the stick, then you're gonna have to cut the shaft as well.

Basically, it's a lot of dremeling, but I was satisfied with the result.

[deadfrog]

I have a few (mostly superficial) questions about MAS sticks. I sent an email straight to them a while ago but I haven't had a response yet and I realized you guys would probably have all the answers anyway.

- I've noticed that in some pictures the top is glossy and reflective, but in others it appears to be matte. Is this something you choose when you order one? I assume the reflective top is plexied... is the matte top just a piece of plastic with the layout/art printed directly onto it?

- I would guess that assembly is fairly typical/simple but I wanted to double-check. Can the layout/art be removed from under the plexi without breaking stuff apart? If yes, what is underneath? Clean particle board? Smooth black plastic? Ugly wood and pencil marks and mounting plates?

Believe it or not, I have a couple more questions that are even more useless but I'm going to pace myself to feign dignity. Thanks in advance for any and all help!

[cmonster]

I recently purchased a HRAP2 and while I love it, I can't get used to the square gate.

My question is: Do all Japanese brands (Seimitsu/Sanwa) use the square gate? Or do all the brands just sell different types of gates depending on the model? Or do I buy the gates separately?

I'm veryyy new at this so if you could answer this, I'd really appreciate it.

[Mizuki]

But Mizuki, why would anyone ever post about what type of stick you should use?! :lol:

Because my stick is sexy. No homo.

[QUOTE=Button_m4sh;3892893]

I did it also. You have to pop off the buttons and dremel/sand off tabs. Then you have to get the mounting plate off (I drilled through the welds), so you can have space for the Happ Joystick. Then you drill a new hole for the joystick shaft and four new holes to mount it. If it doesnt fit, you have to hack the crap out of the plastic base. If you don't like the height of the stick, then you're gonna have to cut the shaft as well.

Basically, it's a lot of dremeling, but I was satisfied with the result.

Cool, thanks for the info.

I have a few (mostly superficial) questions about MAS sticks. I sent an email straight to them a while ago but I haven't had a response yet and I realized you guys would probably have all the answers anyway.

- I've noticed that in some pictures the top is glossy and reflective, but in others it appears to be matte. Is this something you choose when you order one? I assume the reflective top is plexied... is the matte top just a piece of plastic with the layout/art printed directly onto it?

- I would guess that assembly is fairly typical/simple but I wanted to double-check. Can the layout/art be removed from under the plexi without breaking stuff apart? If yes, what is underneath? Clean particle board? Smooth black plastic? Ugly wood and pencil marks and mounting plates?

Believe it or not, I have a couple more questions that are even more useless but I'm going to pace myself to feign dignity. Thanks in advance for any and all help!

#1 When I went to Evo2k5, I saw tons of MAS sticks, all I saw were matte.

#2 If it is plexi, you can easily remove the plexi and replace artwork. It's probally another plexi or a particle board. They had to sandwich the paper layout somehow.

I recently purchased a HRAP2 and while I love it, I can't get used to the square gate.

My question is: Do all Japanese brands (Seimitsu/Sanwa) use the square gate? Or do all the brands just sell different types of gates depending on the model? Or do I buy the gates separately?

I'm veryyy new at this so if you could answer this, I'd really appreciate it.

Sanwa iirc you can buy an octagonal and a square gate, it's been awhile since I've made my own stick, or bought it, later if I remember I have a spare stick lying around and I'll check it out and edit this post.

[BeaTs*]

wait what are mas? and restrictors? and gates? ugh!

[deadfrog]

#1 When I went to Evo2k5, I saw tons of MAS sticks, all I saw were matte.

#2 If it is plexi, you can easily remove the plexi and replace artwork. It's probally another plexi or a particle board. They had to sandwich the paper layout somehow.


All the sticks at Arcade Shock (http://www.arcadeshock.com/items/mas-pro-arcade-sticks-/list.htm?1=1) matte, and I actually think that pretty well all of the MAS sticks I've ever seen in real life and on video or in pictures have been matte... except for this one. (taken straight from the official Super Pro.Stick page (http://www.massystems.com/ProStick.html))

http://img157.imageshack.us/img157/6893/psbigsmallfl9.th.jpg (http://img157.imageshack.us/my.php?image=psbigsmallfl9.jpg)

It's definitely reflective and it was just enough to make me wonder if there were two kinds. :lol:

[CarzyDog]

sticky! :)

[Okazaki III]

I'm just dissapointed at the uninformative stickies really though. There are tons of very informative threads out there but they never see the brink of daylight because the stickies only point to useless threads. I contacted a mod about it but he didn't do anything :(.

Good point. I tried using the stickies but some are just not updated. The search function has saved me a couple of times though, for specific subjects or info.

[Mizuki]

THIS ISN'T GOING DOWN TO PAGE 2 I WILL NOT ALLOW IT!

[shoo]

Stickied

[KabaL]

yeahh sticky ;-)

[BeaTs*]

so....anymore info about sticks?

[shoo]

any questions? ^^

[Mizuki]

THANK YOU FOR MAKING THIS A STICKY!

[KabaL]

Actually I've got a question.
Is the HAPP competition stick top mounted?
I need to know that before I start building my arcade stick case....

[koi]

Competition stick is bottom mounted.

[KabaL]

Competition stick is bottom mounted.

Thanks, that was a fast answer - I had that doubt because of MAS super pro sticks photos, were you can see the bolts around the sticks :sweat:




Another MAS related question: Could someone that have a MAS STICK regular size, measure it so we can CLONE the box? I mean, having exactly the same box that a MAS super pro stick has :looney:

PLZ answer; my dedicated thread about this, it's probably the most lonely one at SRK :sad:

[Zoogstin]

I could never find the specific answer to my question while search the threads but anyways:

Q: I know that Happs are a pain to fit in a T5 stick, so I'm looking at Sanwa parts. Excatly what sanwa parts can fit in a T5 stick with out having to be sanded. And for the sticks that do have to be sanded, I'm a little confused as to where you are suppose to do the sanding.

[shoo]

there are tiny tabs that will fit only hori buttons

you have to sand them down irregardless

dont use sandpaper

use a metal filer

[Zoogstin]

And what about the sticks? Which ones fit fine in the T5? And if there are none, what do I have to do to them to make them fit. Sanwa sticks I mean.

[sannosan]

what are the biggest advantages and cons when comparing sanwa vs seimitsu sticks and bottons?

[albert_c]

WTF happened to all the people that actually knew about sticks?

[TingBoy]

They're probably not answering the questions because those questions have already been answered. Just use the search function and do a bit of reading -_-;

[koi]

They're probably not answering the questions because those questions have already been answered. Just use the search function and do a bit of reading -_-;

Ditto.

[Superking]

The 10th Anniversary Tekken 5 stick for the last time only has Hori parts, there is no Sanwa or Seimitsu material in them.

[Zoogstin]

So many people keep on suggesting the Search function but its NOT WORKING!!!! I keep on being sent to a blank white page whenever I tell it to search for something.

[SaBrE]

hmm you are right. ill try and get it fixed

[Warrior Bob]

I could never find the specific answer to my question while search the threads but anyways:

Q: I know that Happs are a pain to fit in a T5 stick, so I'm looking at Sanwa parts. Excatly what sanwa parts can fit in a T5 stick with out having to be sanded. And for the sticks that do have to be sanded, I'm a little confused as to where you are suppose to do the sanding.

My knowledge is certainly not all-comprehensive, but I hope I can be helpful. Every person I know of who has dropped Sanwa buttons into the T5 stick has needed to sand off the tabs. The sides of the Sanwa buttons are smooth, while the Hori ones that come in the T5 stick have notches in them. The metal plate on the top of the T5 stick has tabs that fit into these notches, ostensibly to prevent the buttons from rotating.

If you're going to the trouble of putting Sanwa buttons in, it isn't too much trouble to sand off the tabs - with a proper metal file from Home Depot or something it has taken my friends roughly an hour. I've not done this particular modification myself yet. The only trick seems to be making sure you sand all of the tab off - it is easy to think you've got it all, but really you haven't gotten all of it, and the hole is an oval instead of a perfect circle. You want a perfect circle. It is better to be a little excessive and grind more metal away then to grind too little and snap your new button with the force.

what are the biggest advantages and cons when comparing sanwa vs seimitsu sticks and bottons?

This is hearsay, but since nobody else has answered you, or I missed it, here goes. Sanwa sticks and buttons are a bit shorter, with less throw (distance travelled) when operated. Generally they are the same shape and diameter. People have told me that Sanwas are more popular for fighting games whereas Seimitsu is more for the shmup scene. However, I built my homebrew stick with a Sanwa stick meant for shmups (taller and longer throw, and stiffer) but I use it mostly for fighting games. Really, it's down to preference, what you like, and what your hand fits. I'm sure you cannot go 'wrong' per se, just less tuned to you.

Hope this helps.

[Kuprin]

Okay, I've got money, time, and a serious attitude towards custom-building myself a stick. Don't worry too much about the skills and such, I know how to solder decently (I'm not a pro, but I shouldn't screw this up), and know my way around electronics. I've also figured out the optimal board (PS1).

Now, the question is, what parts should I be using? Button-wise I've only used convex buttons on a CVS2 machine with mixed concave/convex buttons (is this standard?) and liked how they felt. Stick-wise, I like a fairly tight stick, and I'm used to bat-tops, though a ball-top might actually fit my hand better. Not TOO stiff, mind you, but stiffer than the loose beat-up shit that's usually in our local arcades.

I also definitely want to get some durable stuff. Should I really be concerned about wearing out a stick, or do they generally have the durability of other good quality game controllers (I stick to thrustmaster PC controllers, and I've never worn one out yet, I still have my old Firestorm pad)?

Thanks all. :)

[Mizuki]

WTF happened to all the people that actually knew about sticks?

Then, why don't you contribute instead of bitching and complaining?

[AR-15]

any questions? ^^

yeah, I make another stupid thread asking about stores for arcade sticks. Can you list a number of websites for this? And maybe added to the main post?

[BeaTs*]

what's the difference between an Ultimate Joystick (Available in Hard or Soft Spring) or a Competition Joystick (Medium Spring)?

[Mr.Skar]

How trashy is the X-Arcade? I'm a bit of a noob, so maybe it's good for practice? Honestly I don't notice any lag. I just want to know 'cause it seems like Ebay has a lot of HRAP 2's which I have heard are better. Just curious.

[shrimpnoodles]

How trashy is the X-Arcade? I'm a bit of a noob, so maybe it's good for practice? Honestly I don't notice any lag. I just want to know 'cause it seems like Ebay has a lot of HRAP 2's which I have heard are better. Just curious.

it's so shitty, it makes your shit that comes out of the toilet, looks like gold. no exaggeration there.

[Mr.Skar]

it's so shitty, it makes your shit that comes out of the toilet, looks like gold. no exaggeration there.

Really? Even for a beginner? Like I said, I'm so scrubby that I don't notice anything wrong. Is it so bad that I should replace it right away or can I hang on to it a bit longer?

[Starcade RIP]

what's the difference between an Ultimate Joystick (Available in Hard or Soft Spring) or a Competition Joystick (Medium Spring)?
I can't give you any technical justification why, but Ultimates aren't typically thought of very highly. There is a CvS2 cab in an arcade near me with Ultimates, and boy, it just does bizzare things sometimes.

I'd stick to competitions. I have two at home that I love.

[Slartibartfast]

Total noob question: what exactly is the gate?

Also, I have zero arcade experience (grew up in a small town with no arcades) but would like to try switching to sticks. I was thinking of just snagging a HRAP2 and seeing how I feel about it, and going from there. Are there any major reasons just buying and trying would be a bad idea?

[Zoogstin]

hey guys. The cord to my T5 stick is pretty much shot. My stick will work on and off and may cut off on me in the middle of a match. Right where you can see the cord come out of the stick is where the cord is torn open and the wires are exposed. Needless to say I need to replace it. I'm assuming in this case I'll need to replace the cord and the entire PCB is that right? I haven't modded my stick before but I do understand that if I replace the PCB I can use a regular PS2 pad PCB to replace it. But one of my questions is: Since the buttons in the T5 are soldered straight on to the PCB, is there a way I can get them off with out a desoldering gun? Are they cheap? And and another question is since I may need to get a new PCB I figured I would wire the buttons to it, but there are none since the buttons were simply wired to the first PCB. Where can I get them? I don't have a soldering gun by the way so is imply using those wire grip thingys (the ones that you can attach to the end of a wire and then clip on to the prongs of the buttons) going to work just fine? If anyone understands or doesn't understand, please let me know. Thank you in advance.

[rukawa_kaede]

where can I buy sanwa sticks?

himura is out of business

akihabara shop is not working

ebay no good, they don't have enough choices

what else we have

[Chaosdragon13]

where can I buy sanwa sticks?
himura is out of business
akihabara shop is not working
ebay no good, they don't have enough choices
what else we have

From what I have read recently there is someone by the name of ponyboy, or something like that, on this site who sells them, and then there is lizard lick amusements. http://www.lizardlickamusements.com/pages/joysticks.shtml

From what I am reading ponyboy as lower prices but lizard lick has faster shipping. However I havent delt with either of them yet as I am rather new to this forum so whether this is true or not I cant say.


Now for my question. I am looking to get a Sanwa stick and there are two of them I am looking at, the JLF-TP-8T and JLW-TM-8. Is there really any difference from these other than the size of the mounting plate and the JLF-TP-8T has that plug for the wires?

The reason I ask is because the JLW-TM-8 is around $10 cheaper and if I can save $10 just by getting a slightly bigger stick and wiring it myself then I will.

[shoo]

akihabara shop is not working



not working how?

[PuppetXMaster]

Sticks to avoid: From my experience.........the Soul Calibur 2 Stick(or was it 3) by NubyTech-it sucks ass, it broke in a week of constant CvS2 gaming.

[rukawa_kaede]

not working how?

well I can't see the catalog and I have no idea how to order, I think their updating the website,none of the links work.

[shoo]

try clicking the part that says excelfile

[rukawa_kaede]

so I need excel to open that?

[shoo]

yup.

[urth]

so I need excel to open that?

I'd assume so since its an excel file...

He has an excel spread sheet for you to order parts, that is if you know what parts you want by model number/name.


Now for my question. I am looking to get a Sanwa stick and there are two of them I am looking at, the JLF-TP-8T and JLW-TM-8. Is there really any difference from these other than the size of the mounting plate and the JLF-TP-8T has that plug for the wires?

The reason I ask is because the JLW-TM-8 is around $10 cheaper and if I can save $10 just by getting a slightly bigger stick and wiring it myself then I will.

The only difference from what i can tell from playing with both:

JLF-TP-8T has a square gate that can be replaced by a GT-Y gate which is an octagon gate.

The JLF-TM has a square gate that can be replaced by a GT-O gate which is a circle one.

I'm prob not that experienced with the fell of sticks, but from what I can tell they feel pretty much the same. Most stick makers around here use the JLF-TM in their projects. My guess is the JLF-TM is more for fighters and the JLF-UM is more for shmups.

[Chaosdragon13]

Okay so if the JLF-TP-8T can upgrade to a hexagonal plate and the JLW-TM-8 can upgrade to a circular plate, which upgrade is better?

I am sure its partially based on preferance but which one do most people prefer?

[urth]

Most people prefer the JLF-TP-8Y going the sanwa route, and LS-32 via Seimitsu route.

[shad0wz]

what do you guys think of the Naki World 78006 Wireless Fighting Stick?

it's for the purpose of having a nice arcade stick to practice on.

[blackstar14]

Could someone rate stiffest to loosest stick. I always assumed Sawna's were the loosest while Happ (Comp,Super,P360s) were the stiffest, but according to someone I was talking to Happ's aren't any stiffer than Sawna's. True?

I want something stiffer than the Sawna stick, and I was planning on getting a Happ (either P360 or Comp) until I heard they weren't much stiffer. So...Sei?

[shoo]

what do you guys think of the Naki World 78006 Wireless Fighting Stick?

it's for the purpose of having a nice arcade stick to practice on.


its not too good, considering its wireless and that = lag.

i would recommend the sfac stick if you can find it

or the pelican real arcade. layout is a lil funny, but it was my first stick and first stick i modded :3

Could someone rate stiffest to loosest stick. I always assumed Sawna's were the loosest while Happ (Comp,Super,P360s) were the stiffest, but according to someone I was talking to Happ's aren't any stiffer than Sawna's. True?

I want something stiffer than the Sawna stick, and I was planning on getting a Happ (either P360 or Comp) until I heard they weren't much stiffer. So...Sei?

happ are considerably stiff, especially the comp stick with the hard spring

jap sticks are much looser and sensitive.
it just comes down to preference



hope this helps.

[blackstar14]

thanks. last q, is the sei noticably stiffer than the sawna? I mainly plan on playing alot of GG,SuperDBZ(which doesn't matter since no one plays it), and Marvel (casually) and so I don't want something really stiff but trying to trijump on a Sawna is a bitch cause it's soo loose (I have a Hrap) and I always end up super jumping straight up.

[shoo]

thanks. last q, is the sei noticably stiffer than the sawna? I mainly plan on playing alot of GG,SuperDBZ(which doesn't matter since no one plays it), and Marvel (casually) and so I don't want something really stiff but trying to trijump on a Sawna is a bitch cause it's soo loose (I have a Hrap) and I always end up super jumping straight up.

Seimitsu sticks are sliiiiiightly stiffer than sanwas

imo

[shad0wz]

its not too good, considering its wireless and that = lag.

i would recommend the sfac stick if you can find it

or the pelican real arcade. layout is a lil funny, but it was my first stick and first stick i modded :3





doesn't the pelican real arcade fry your ps2? any other nice sticks whose prices aren't that steep?

[str[e]ak]

doesn't the pelican real arcade fry your ps2? any other nice sticks whose prices aren't that steep?

what that guy said. do any of you know nice sticks that aren't really expensive? :cool:

[Kid Flash]

If im correct it only frys your ports if you use it in an xbox alot and then use it on your ps2. Because xbox draws more power than a ps2. Im not to sure, i switched my pcb a week after i brought mine. I plan on fixin the layout buy cutting down the sides

[Choujuu]

I mostly play 2D fighters and have only played (to my knowledge at least) 8-way sticks. Are there any advantages to switching to the perfect 360?

[Xorcist]

Okay, I'm looking in here first... my question is...

What is the difference between the HRAP3 and HRAP3 SA? I know the SA isn't due out for another couple months, but I'm not sure if I should wait, or just buy an HRAP3 now.

P.S. How tough it is to replace the ball top with a bat top on the HRAP3?

[Valaris]

ak;4032273']what that guy said. do any of you know nice sticks that aren't really expensive? :cool:

If you can find one the price of the tekken 5 combo with the stick dropped to 20$ at gamestops/eb games. Of course they're hard as all fucking all to find but if you do Rush that shit down. I made the mistake of letting a friend buy it who doesn't even play fighter but likes how it fucking looks in his room.

[BeaTs*]

Ok so I wanna buy a cheap/good enough 360 stick with convex buttons for PS2, anyone know where I can buy it?

[A.C]

Okay, I'm looking in here first... my question is...

What is the difference between the HRAP3 and HRAP3 SA? I know the SA isn't due out for another couple months, but I'm not sure if I should wait, or just buy an HRAP3 now.

P.S. How tough it is to replace the ball top with a bat top on the HRAP3?

1. HRAP3 uses Hori buttons, SA uses Sanwa
2. Without swapping the entire stick: difficult - both use a Sanwa JLF - which is not compatible. You'd need a JLW. However nothing is impossible I suppose.

[Mizuki]

Ok so I wanna buy a cheap/good enough 360 stick with convex buttons for PS2, anyone know where I can buy it?

Best luck would be asking someone who makes sticks here, or MAS systems.

I mostly play 2D fighters and have only played (to my knowledge at least) 8-way sticks. Are there any advantages to switching to the perfect 360?

Really, only if your a Marvel player. I seem to do alot more better on the classic 8 way than 360, but that's my preference. Only advantage with p360 is it's precise.

[BeaTs*]

What is the significance of an ANALOG button on a custom stick?

[pc1x1]

What is the significance of an ANALOG button on a custom stick?

Adapters and Home PS button.

[BeaTs*]

Um, I'm quite stupid when it comes to these things...could you explain more? Why would one person choose to get an analog button and another person would not?

[Chaosdragon13]

If someone uses a PS1 digital controller then there is no analog button, thus they have no choice of whether or not to include one.

If someone uses a PS1 analog controller then have the choice, its just a matter of whether or not they want one. You might not want one if you are never gonig to use it because then its just taking up space on the top panel or side of the stick. If you dont use converters to play on the PS3, then the analog button really doesnt do much since fighting games dont normally require you to hit the analog button in order to allow the d-pad to work(you need the d-pad to work since thats where the stick is hooked up to)

[BeaTs*]

what games would you use it for? how can you use it if the stick is hooked up to the d-pad anyway? sorry I'm slow

[Chaosdragon13]

what games would you use it for? how can you use it if the stick is hooked up to the d-pad anyway? sorry I'm slow

The analog button I believe is more commonly used for adventure games that default the analog stick to move. In those cases you might have to hit the analog button to turn off the analog sticks before the d-pad will be read for motion. I dont know the names of any games exactly since I have very few PS and PS2 games.

When using most adaptors for PS/PS2-->PS3, you often have to hit the analog button on the controller before the PS3 recognizes the controller. However with the Pelican converter you do not need to hit the analog button.

I dont really understand your second question but maybe if I explain how you hook up the stick to a controller it will help. Joysticks have four microswitches on them, each of which gets hooked up to one of the directions on the controller you are hacking. Therefore if the d-pad doesnt work for a game, then your joystick wont work for a game. As far as I know, there are no joysticks which can be hacked in to the analog sticks on a controller. I could be wrong on this and there may be a way to do it with resistors, but you would have to ask someone else about that because its above me.

[BeaTs*]

oh I see...so the purpose of the button is not to activate Analog mode, but to disengage it (which doesn't really happen playing Fighting Games anyway)

So if I'm thinking of playing some action-type games with my custom stick, I should get an analog button on there.

Thanks!

[Chaosdragon13]

I think it also turns analog mode on, but as far as I know, thats only for PS1 games that came out around the time of, or before, the analog sticks were added to the PS1 controller. But you wouldnt need it at all in that case since the d-pad will automatically work.

[Dencore]

I want a stick that will be compatible with my PS2 and my Wii there are adapters to every stick to be able to shift between the two correct?

[EvilSamurai]

I want a stick that will be compatible with my PS2 and my Wii there are adapters to every stick to be able to shift between the two correct?

Just get a playstation stick as there are Playstation --> Gamecube adapters that can be used on a wii

[Dencore]

I see thank you. :)

Are all Hori Fighting sticks the same?

Cause I'm interested in getting this one.

http://gearmedia.ign.com/gear/image/article/799/799492/hori-fighting-stick-wii-20070626101942686-000.jpg

EDIT I found a Wii to GC conveter and a GC to PS2 converter :)

[Barnstorm]

im looking at getting happ sticks for my custom arcade cabinet but havent used happ before

how do they compare to xarcade sticks cos i have used them b4

ive built a custom stick with sanwa and liked that and i use hori sticks all the time

any input would be helpful

[Airthrow]

No one on SRK likes X-arcade, I have never heard anyone say anything good about them. Happs are what every American arcade you've ever played SF2 on use. There are different kinds of happs though, marvel players ALL prefer 360s from what I've seen, which are optical sticks so they don't have a microswitch.

If I'm using happs I prefer a regular competition stick, or even a Happ super. But I prefer sanwas over everything.

[Barnstorm]

only problem with that is ive never played in an american arcade im just curious about the sticks similarities

and buttons how do they compare

i know xarcade is crap but im just using as a reference 4 happ parts having only really used jap stuff

[Airthrow]

Basically X-arcade is shitty imitation happ, with lag on the PCBs. They are better than X-arcade in every way and they're cheap, it's a no brainer...

[Barnstorm]

my question is not about xarcade bein any good,

im curious about the feel of the sticks japanese has square gates xarcade has round one ( i find diagonals hard to hit) spring on xarcade feels odd to me used to sanwa and hori(i prefer the looser hori sticks)

now wat are happ sticks like square or round, hard or loose, sensitive or not so sensitive

thats wat i want to know

[EvilSamurai]

my question is not about xarcade bein any good,

im curious about the feel of the sticks japanese has square gates xarcade has round one ( i find diagonals hard to hit) spring on xarcade feels odd to me used to sanwa and hori(i prefer the looser hori sticks)

now wat are happ sticks like square or round, hard or loose, sensitive or not so sensitive

thats wat i want to know

I just made a Happ FAQ (http://forums.shoryuken.com/showthread.php?t=141741).

[deadfrog]

What is the significance of an ANALOG button on a custom stick?

To re-address your question: on a PS1/PS2 stick, while using it on the PS3 with the Pelican adapter, the Analog button serves as the Home button. You can't use it to turn on your PS3 but you can use it to change players and turn it off and whatever else.

On a PS2 MAS Super Pro.Stick, there is a way to have your joystick act as the left or right analog stick instead of just the d-pad. The analog button is used to trigger this. This isn't anything you'd ever want for a fighting game though.

I've read a post or two around here where someone calls the Xbox 360's Guide button an Analog button. Plenty of Xbox 360 customs (and all of the commercial ones) include a Guide button on them.

Aside from those things, I can only think of one other reason... I'm using it as a poor excuse to sloppily mount an LED in the stick I'm building!

[Izagaia]

It has been awhile since I have last visited SRK. Actually I was quite relieved to find the forums going into so much detail regarding such topics. As you might imagine, the recent turn of events within the Capcom basecamp and the news of them planning to answer fighters' wishes with another StreetFighter installment, brought me back here wondering (I am about as old-school a StreetFighter fanatic as they come, since '87) what exactly is the popular opinion on the new "be-all" regarding arcade fighting sticks? At last check, which for me would be around 1999-2000, was MAS. Of which, I am still the proud owner of and utilize quite heavily. Having only ever to replace the stick twice. However, like any other hardware over time, is really beginning to show signs of it's age. And I suspect it's PCB faltering to a degree.

I browsed many of the other threads about this and they seem to me, to mostly concentrate on those that are "custom" built models. Names, which I have never before heard of. Izzy is thinking that it is time to replace my tried and true MAS, yet in visiting the MASSYSTEMS website, I see that it really has not had much updating since I ordered my first one those years ago. Those threads I had seen, showed me much in the way of available choices, however, not very many opinions. Specifically not regarding MAS at any rate.

Am thinking that I would definitely like another MAS. This time around, equipped with a perfect 360 stick and PSX1,2 and X-Box compatibility. Izzy already has the necessary PSX3 and Gamecube/Wii adapters. Just truly looking for a few educated opinions before shelling-out another $150-$200 for a new fighter stick. :wonder:


Thank-you. :smile:

[leaveal]

1. fix your MAS up. whatever it is that shows signs of age can be fixed, no matter what it is. the PCB can be replaced, the stick can be lubed or individual parts can be switched out for new ones, and the art can be changed. it won't be too hard or costly to get it to tip-top shape, i'm sure.

2. don't get another MAS. you're probably better off ordering from a stick builder who does Happ parts or getting the SFAC stick and modding it or something. both options are cheaper and you can customize the look.

[doctorx0079]

I am just wondering, what's so great about MAS? Were they just big back in the day?

Also I have a contribution. Don't ever get the crappy low-end Pelican stick that you see everywhere, the one that has plugs for 9 systems on it. I actually bought this to play Raiden II. The stick screws into the base and they use really weak-ass soft metal. I stripped the threads on it in like 2 weeks of normal use. Now it's totally useless. Also the base is all curved which just adds insult to injury. What a PIECE OF $HIT.:tdown:

[EvilSamurai]

MAS is basically the highest quality non-custom American-style stick. Basically think of it as an American HRAP, only without the shitty Hori buttons that must be swapped out.

[Sparazza]

Yo i have a question and i didnt wanna make a new thread about it and this seems to be a good place to ask:

I am in the process of getting two DC arcade sticks. One Agetec and the other is Gamemate.

Is Gamemate just as good as any other brand name?
[never heard of it before]

[Izagaia]

I currently own two Agetec arcade sticks for the Dreamcast. If you could afford or purchase something more "real" (i.e. Hori, MAS...), I would jump on it and not even bother with these devices. I find them rather "clunky", small and not very durable overall. Depending upon how rigorous you are during gameplay, you would most likely have the switches inside ground to dust within a week.

[Square King]

I've been searching around for a good stick for shmups for my MAME'd PC but it's hard to find the right balance of quality and price. What would you guys recommend for a starting stick used mostly for shmups? I'm willing to upgrade it later on as my needs/tastes develop, but for now I'm just looking for a reliable piece for my computer.

I'm new at this. :(

[erikstanton]

I've been searching around for a good stick for shmups for my MAME'd PC but it's hard to find the right balance of quality and price. What would you guys recommend for a starting stick used mostly for shmups? I'm willing to upgrade it later on as my needs/tastes develop, but for now I'm just looking for a reliable piece for my computer.

I'm new at this. :(


anything that can easily be swapped with japanese parts. i think people who play shmups use go with seimetsu stick and buttons. (stick is a smaller engage than sanwas? not exactly sure)

[Square King]

anything that can easily be swapped with japanese parts. i think people who play shmups use go with seimetsu stick and buttons. (stick is a smaller engage than sanwas? not exactly sure)

Yeah, I heard most shmuppers prefer the Seimetsu sticks. Looking around, I found this cheap thing (http://www.kamwaheshop.com/product_info.php?language=en&currency=USD&products_id=165) and this thread (http://www.ozhadou.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2976), which kinda makes me happy.

When it comes to modding these things, is it mostly plug and play or is there soldering involved? Furthermore, is there anything for under $100 I should consider? I'm searching the forum as I type, but if anyone has a recommendation, I'd appreciate it.

[Tetsuosan]

Get an HRAP 2 and buy an LS-32 and either Seimitsu or Sanwa buttons. I prefer Sanwa since they're a lot more sensitive than Seimitsu. Check this thread (http://forums.shoryuken.com/showthread.php?t=132472) out to see how to mod the HRAP 2. That Mayflash/Elecom stick is doable in terms of modding, but if you've never had experience modding before it will be a huge headache for you.

[Square King]

Well, they were out of stock, so I got a refund. I found a sweet fighter stick for SNES on ebay and I have a SNES/USB converter, so I have that covered. I'd still like to build a custom stick, though.

Do I need to buy a Seimitus mounting plate (http://www.lizardlickamusements.com/pages/joysticks.shtml) if I'm using a LS-32? Or can I install it directly to the face of the stick I'm building?

[Tetsuosan]

All of the people here use the mounting plate that comes with the ls32. If you check the stickies it'll tell you how to route the area so that you can mount it.

[AcidicEnema]

Sorry if this has been answered somewhere, but does anyone know how I can get a HRAP3 to work on a PS2?

[TingBoy]

Sorry if this has been answered somewhere, but does anyone know how I can get a HRAP3 to work on a PS2?

Replace the PCB with a PSX DS1 or something similar

[AcidicEnema]

Replace the PCB with a PSX DS1 or something similar

I actually didn't get any of that, but I guess I will after I read the modding threads, thanks!

[Izagaia]

He is explaining to replace the default circuit board with that from an available Playstation One pad or stick.

Most modding requires some degree of soddering as well as a basic understanding of electrical components and circuits.

Izzy prefers this tutorial:

Build Your Own Arcade Controls. (http://arcadecontrols.com/arcade.htm)

[imtony]

Okay, I bought a t5 stick, but I'm pretty sure I need to get it modded to make good use of it for marvel. I was wondering if a p360 stick would be best for it, since the stock one is hard to maneuver around with a square feeling on the inside. What buttons would be best to replace the stock buttons? thanks

[Vietexan]

Hey imtony, its kinda hard to mount an american stick inside a t5 joystick. Youd need to widen the holes to make room for joystick and stuff. As for buttons you should use either sanwa or seimitsu buttons to replace the stock ones, but you need a dremel or a metal file to file or grind away the tabs in the button holes.

[Iuseryu]

Where might one look to order the Asian parts?

Also, what's the time/money investment like? I'm looking to make my first stick and I want to know what I'm getting into.

[dodgers2213]

with HD remix out and Xmas around the corner

what stick should i get for the 360?

[fliper]

i got a ps2...need a HORI stick for it 2 play tekken 5,as well as arcana, & SNK/Capcom fighters please help me out give a suggestion please all the suggestiions i get are somee HORI stick that is out of stock on play-asia!
Also i need one 2 proove to the people I play with that Arcade Stick ->Ps2 Controller Im getting fed up of them taunting me "oh buy a stick and ur gonna loose ur gonna wonder why u waisted ur money

[Jedison]

You finally had the day off school and this was your first order of business?

[Monkey King]

Any thoughts on the new madcatz sticks coming out or does the op still stand?

[Darkness2004]

I can personally attest to the X-Arcade stick's crappiness. I thought it would be a good buy since I play fighting games on multiple consoles, but it was a lagging piece of shit, just like the OP said.

I was using it for Tekken 5 DR mostly. It was stiff, unresponsive, and you had to really push in a downward direction to properly pull of any crouching move, otherwise it wouldn't register and you'd still be standing. Moves like the EWGF were practically impossible to pull off with any consistency. Moving and running were also unnecessarily hard to do.

I had to sell it on eBay at a loss just to get rid of it. I really wish I was smatter and consulted one of these threads here on Shoryuken before I made my choice. Don't follow in my footsteps and avoid this pitiful excuse of a stick at all costs.