Starcraft II!

[Kalypso]

SC2 ANNOUNCED!!!

Discuss.

[Adam Warlock]

I've also heard World of Starcraft.

[specs]

Despite this being the "new Blizz" I'm excited. Here's hoping it ain't some raid-fest MMO.

NINJA EDIT - personally hoping for Diablo III.

[Plutoburn]

Yes, if they are making sequel to previous game, D3 would be on the top of my wishlist.

[crimzonflame]

Blizzard is the only gaming company that's never dissappointed me. I know whatever the announce they game will be amazing.

[ChairHome]

You sure its May 16th? It looks kinda like a countdown, WC3 and WOW aren't highlighted yet in the timeline. I heard the announcement is this weekend.

[{PFH}-Lake]

make diablo 3, ninjas and pirates.

[Asura]

Blizzard is the only gaming company that's never dissappointed me. I know whatever the announce they game will be amazing.

Have you ever played WoW?

[Kalypso]

You sure its May 16th? It looks kinda like a countdown, WC3 and WOW aren't highlighted yet in the timeline. I heard the announcement is this weekend.

Someone posted a news thread a few days ago saying they were announcing a new game May 16th at some Korean thing.

[Hoonyo]

they'll combine starcraft and warcraft into one game: starwarscraft

[crimzonflame]

Have you ever played WoW?

WoW is a good game. If I had the time and money, it would be the only game I would play.

[Kalypso]

they'll combine starcraft and warcraft into one game: starwarscraft

That was actually pretty clever. But that game would suck, lol.

[Shinto]

Duke Nukem Forever?

[Asura]

WoW is a good game. If I had the time and money, it would be the only game I would play.

WoW is NOT a good game. Classes are neglected. Community Relations are horrible. The community is shit. Do yourself a favor and totally forget about it. Its not worth the money.

[ChairHome]

The announcement is this weekend (the 19th):
http://kotaku.com/gaming/blizzard/blizzard-let-the-teasing-begin-260011.php

[specs]

Duke Nukem Forever?

Wrong company... though I cry a little everytime I think of that title. :sad: RIP Duke.

[Carpet Lint]

It's May 19th.

IDIOTS

Check their website - see how there's two games left to be lit up and the question mark at the end? I'm no fucking Batman, but I'm going to do a little deductive reasoning here and hypothesize that they countdown one game a day.

And there's three spots left so holy hand grenade in a Hamas hanky Batman - it might mean three more days!

You are all preoccupied with some other unknown distraction that has you mixing up the numbers 6 and 9 for some reason.

[Kalypso]

The announcement is this weekend (the 19th):
http://kotaku.com/gaming/blizzard/blizzard-let-the-teasing-begin-260011.php

god damnit

[pherai]

Wow is a good game if your idea of an mmo is a glorified diablo, just with more boring leveling. SC2 or bust.

[Kalypso]

It's May 19th.

IDIOTS

Check their website - see how there's two games left to be lit up and the question mark at the end? I'm no fucking Batman, but I'm going to do a little deductive reasoning here and hypothesize that they countdown one game a day.

And there's three spots left so holy hand grenade in a Hamas hanky Batman - it might mean three more days!

You are all preoccupied with some other unknown distraction that has you mixing up the numbers 6 and 9 for some reason.

I'm dyslexic, thanks for making fun of a cripple.

[Jeesup]

WoW is a good game. If I had the time and money, it would be the only game I would play.

you think farming all day for consumables, learning/wiping raids and encounters for hours on end just to get gear to learn and wipe and farm more raids is good/fun?

lol @ person who has never played WoW before

[crimzonflame]

you think farming all day for consumables, learning/wiping raids and encounters for hours on end just to get gear to learn and wipe and farm more raids is good/fun?

lol @ person who has never played WoW before

Ive played WoW before. I found it fun. Just because you didnt enjoy doesnt make it a bad game. Again, if your mom wasnt on my dick all the time, I would have more time to play.

[Night]

Duke Nukem Forever?

Duke Nukem Fornever?

That game will be delayed yet again whenever the next FPS game comes out because they have to scrap everything and build from the ground up using that new game's engine!

It was like they were using the Quake 1 engine, then Quake 2 comes out, scrap everything, start using the Quake 2 engine, Unreal, UT, etc. comes out, gotta use those engines, Quake 3 comes out, scrap everything, start building from scratch using the Quake 3 engine, Doom 3 comes out, uh oh, gotta start over again!

[Asura]

Ive played WoW before. I found it fun. Just because you didnt enjoy doesnt make it a bad game. Again, if your mom wasnt on my dick all the time, I would have more time to play.

People don't enjoy it because its a bad game. :rofl:

[Juggy]

Looks like the 19th rumors were true.

[spudlyff8fan]

Starcraft Ghost is coming out?!?!?!?!?!?!

I can't believe they re-un-re-re-un-reneged on it coming back.

[The_Dragon]

Oh Lord, let the divine light and grace of a Starcraft sequel worthy of the franchise be given to us on this sacred weekend in May. Let it contain four races of penultimate balance, strategic depth, and macro over micro to bring us the Revelation of true RTS' once more. Yea, let it not be a revamped Diablo III geared for those fans of the time consuming, skill free, and plague ridden MMO scourge on the face of gaming. Amen, your will be done.

[AkumaTX]

SC2 although how can perfection be improved upon? Higher textures, and reolutions would make this game a creation from God himself.

[Jeesup]

Ive played WoW before. I found it fun. Just because you didnt enjoy doesnt make it a bad game. Again, if your mom wasnt on my dick all the time, I would have more time to play.

what is this? am i supposed to care that you're fucking my mom? good job- you're scoring some saggy +50 year old pussy. man, you're cool.

this is about you being an idiot and not knowing how bad WoW is.

[Hoonyo]

wow is just irc with better graphics

[Adam Warlock]

what is this? am i supposed to care that you're fucking my mom? good job- you're scoring some saggy +50 year old pussy. man, you're cool.

this is about you being an idiot and not knowing how bad WoW is.

Dibs on the saggy +50 year old pussy. Pics plz.

[Remy Saotome]

Yeah, I gotta co-sign on the WoW community being shit. 90% of players are uppity self-centered jerks and it really kills the fun of the game. On the rare occasion that I'm in a friendly group, I actually do enjoy playing quite a bit. The dungeons and boss fights are well-designed and fun IMO, it's just the dick-headed players that really kill the game.

[valaris]

I hope the starcraft MMO rumors aren't true :sad:

[Bacardi]

SC2 although how can perfection be improved upon? Higher textures, and reolutions would make this game a creation from God himself.

they can always pull a valve and just do a sc:source

[specs]

The announcement should happen momentarily. Bump.

[Juggy]

not~??

[specs]

not~??

Supposed to be tonight, 10PM-12AM Pacific.

Which I suppose isn't "momentarily" but whatevs.

[Juggy]

Yeah, I already know that.

By the way: ohok.

[specs]

Yeah, I already know that.

By the way: ohok.

"ohok"?

[Juggy]

pissed? IGN has the best updates EKKE?

[specs]

pissed? IGN has the best updates EKKE?

I do not understand your moon language. :rofl: I'm completely lost now.

[YellowS4]

pissed? IGN has the best updates EKKE?

Shit has to be live! Weak updates. 1:59 pm blah blah blah.

I don't care much for SC though. Unless it's fucken epic.

[ChairHome]

3:00 - FMV sequence in a spaceship - looks Terran - zooming in on a metal door - door opening - reveals a guy with a cigar in chains - prisoner - door shuts behind him - there's so much bass the room is shaking - guy steps into some kind of metallic devicce - legs are strapped in - guy rising toward ceiling - Korean text on screen got people very excited - another part of the machine is dropping metal arms on him - machine whirring - applying armor to his torso - extremly detailed visuals here - now guy is strapping on gloves - armor is molding together - seems like a Terran marine - rockets turn on - zerg now onscreen - Marine delivers a line - StarCraft 2 officially announced.

There ya go.

[Juggy]

l0l0l

LET IT RAIN

[Ninja Wallace]

You guys are fast! So, yeah. SC2. I'm hyped. Exactly what I was expected, but it being confirmed is still awesome. Blizzard gives me what I want. Wonder if they'll show a new race.

[ChairHome]

3:14 - Protoss colossus - huge unit that can blast out dual lasers and use long legs to traverse differences in terrain height - in the demo two of them obliterate about fifty or so zerglings.

3:10 - Terran reapers - can hop across unever terrain with jump packs - two types of small pistols that don't activate immortals. Protoss now have the ability to create shields whereever they want. Protoss can now warp in units from manufacturing facilities anything within pylon range. New protoss unit - stalker - can teleport - quadripedal thing - can keep blinking forward - seems to be a shot cooldown on the ability. Zerg start coming in, giant worms pop out of ground unleasing zerglings. Protoss can use phase fields and teleporting abilities to create an army anywhere on the battlefield, according to Blizzard.

3:09 - controlling protoss zealots - still has psi blades and personal shield - new charge ability that let him quickly close range on enemies. Siege tanks shown - still the same type of behavior where they can lock down - take out zealots really quickly - new protoss unit - called immortals - have special shield that only activates upon being powerfully attacked - siege tanks could barely do any damage to them.

3:07 - Showing gameplay footage - Looks like protoss ships - floating over asteroid/ base structure - entering protoss ase - similar looking buildings - vespene gas still in the game - character pane shows up on right side - some protoss guy - shifts to terran bases floating on rockets over same type of territory - sill collecting crystals as resources - marines load out. Dustin is actually playing the game - nothing in the game is final.

3:05 - Morheim says everyone eager to see actual game - going to show actual gameplay - bringing up SC2 lead designer. Dustin Browder.

A little more info. No screens up yet. Its a live blog, so read backwards.

[BlodiaVulcan5]

SC2? Really? i've never played the first one, i doubt i'll play the second one.

i guess this is wave 2 of "family destroying, reclusive hermitting syndrome" of the starcraft series.

[Sacr3D]

SC2? Really? i've never played the first one, i doubt i'll play the second one.

i guess this is wave 2 of "family destroying, reclusive hermitting syndrome" of the starcraft series.

So I wonder how many Korean's got a heart attack upon hearing the news. They are already crazy in the head with their SC channel and etc.

[Black Chanler]

whatever happened to starcraft ghost lol

[DaDesiCanadian]

Awesome.

[VG Emblem]

I suggest someone edit the title to "STARCRAFT 2 OFFICIALLY ANNOUNCED!!!!" so this thread can get over 300 replies by morning.

[ChairHome]

A little more:
3:23 - now showing terran and protoss fight - marines and zealots clashing on the ground - mothership and battle crusers in the air - framerate seems relatively stable as more units stream in - hard to tell - about 100 units on screen right now - a few of the new protoss units just came in - nuclear launch detected warning - every unit on screen destroyed - three nukes were launched at once - then zergs rush in and spell "GG" while turning into suicidal bombs.

3:18 - warprey also very effective against structures - very vulnerable to small unit fire - shws warpreys getting wiped out by terran marines. Physics system lets debris from warpreys roll down a ramp. Showing one more unit - warped in in a serious of cubes - giant floating base - called a protoss mothership - can only have 1 at a time - cost big resources - special abilities include timebomb that slows all enemy missiles inside - shows terran missle launcher shooting in projectiles that stop in the field before they reach the ship - when field ends missiles drop the ground - planet cracker attack - giant lasers stream from ship to ground - ship can be moved around while planet cracker laser is active - the ship looks like a metallic, triangular sand dollar - mothership can create a black hole anywhere it wannts to - creates distortion that actually sucks ships in and destroys them - in the demo the black hole destroyed four terran battle cruisers in about ten seconds.

3:16 - showing space platform environment, land mass floating over planets / nebulae. Showing phoenix units failing to destroy terran battle cruisers - new protoss unit - Warprey - flying unit that does increased damage the longer it hits a target with it's continuous blue laser.

3:15 - Zerglings can mutate into suicidal bomb things thar roll across the ground - very powerful explosions. Colossus using new IK system to move across differences in terraing height. Colossus extremley weak against air strike - New unit for protoss - Pheonix - can overcharge guns for multiple projectile blast - but after blast the ship is rendered inert for a short period.

I might be going to bed, so here's the link to the liveblog (http://pc.ign.com/articles/788/788627p1.html).

[ChairHome]

Here's the last of it:
3:31 - Announcements are over - transitioning into a musical act - hopefully it's not as bad as the music they were playing before the ceremony.

3:26 - Showing another video of "things to come." concept art for SC2 - zerg landscapes - ruined terran structures - freen filds - SC2 looks, at least visually, strikingly similar to SC1 - both in unit and map designs. Now showing a giant rush of zerglings - probably over 100 of them, swarming with no slowdown - mroe character art - finishes with the StarCraft II logo.

Time to wait for screens and videos.

[Jappo]

http://media.pc.ign.com/articles/788/788627/imgs_1.html

Who's this? I'd smash that so hord. :hitit:

[Lilman]

6 million Koreans just creamed their pants.

[ChairHome]

Wow, vid clip (http://tvpot.daum.net/clip/ClipView.do?clipid=2988382&type=chal&lu=l_head_1) already... good luck getting it to load fast.

[MadGaffler]

yea taking forever

[CarpeNoctumXIII]

Oh....my.....god....I creamed.

[Superking]

So is this thread the new and official Starcraft 2 thread? :D

[Sacr3D]

http://tvpot.daum.net/clip/ClipView.do?clipid=2988878&srcId=&lu=v_srcclip

Gameplay vid now available ! Looks very nice !

[MagnetiX]

The damn Daum.net site takes forever to load, but yes, I also have creamed my pants.

[Daemos]

I'll make this post, the first official complaint: Is it me or is it VERY similar to SC1? Maybe it's just me, I was expecting a huge style and graphical evolution, instead it's SC with WC3's engine.

Either way, I did cream my pants and will be watching this game with hawk eyes.

[Ninja Wallace]

I creamed so much, I have to change now.

[Jappo]

you Must Construct Additional Pylons.

[Scynix]

Daemos, I doubt they'd risk one of their flagship titles by messing with it much. Think about it, Starcraft is the quintessential 'tournament RTS'. Anywhere with pc game tournaments that include RTS, have Starcraft. If they mess up that formula, they mess up that stranglehold. There are other RTS games that have hit tournament quality, CnC, DoW, but very limitedly.

My biggest complaint is the view. Even in that video, I felt like I was crushed against the field. I guess I've been spoiled by RTS games that allow you to zoom out.

[Tokoyama2000]

site's up www.startcraft2.com
did they really replace goons with immortals? the fuck are immortals?

[fishjie]

ZOMFGOZMFOMGOZMFOZMGOZMFOZMGOZMFOZMGOZMFOMOGMOZMFG
OMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMG
EYSYEYSEYSYEYSEYSYEYS
OMGOMGOMGOGMOMG THAT VID WAS PURE SEX


/caps

[El Maniatico]

site's up www.startcraft2.com
did they really replace goons with immortals? the fuck are immortals?

goons with lazer beams attached to their heads.

[DaDesiCanadian]

They better remake DOTA for this shit.

[El Maniatico]

They better remake DOTA for this shit.

fuck you and fuck dota you fuckin scrub.


dota = I CANT HANDLE THE SKILL FOR MICRO SO IM JUST GONNA PRETEND ITS DIABLO 2 WITH TOWERS LOL ~~~~<<<--FAGGETRY

[fishjie]

fuck you and fuck dota you fuckin scrub.


dota = I CANT HANDLE THE SKILL FOR MICRO SO IM JUST GONNA PRETEND ITS DIABLO 2 WITH TOWERS LOL ~~~~<<<--FAGGETRY

:rofl:

fuck that shit, its all about the classic sc ums maps like:
turret d
maze d
cat n mouse
impossible missions
etc etc

ZOMFOMFOMGOMOFFOMOG I CANT WAIT
i want to see what happens to kerrigan, will she get her comeuppance? what about raynor? or zeratul? SWEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEET

i just looked at the toss units. sweet!!! i cant wait till they put up the rest of the info, and I WONDER IF THEY WILL HAVE A NEW RACE?

[MrBlank]

WHAT you mean they arent going to make the Vikings 2 sequel i was praying so h0rd for.....

FUCK YOU BLIZZ...

*goes to bed crying*

[Unreallystic]

I watched the Terren intro...if you look close they show Kerrigan *she's the only female zerg I know of :p *, I'm sitting here at my GFs house in my grown man PJs throwing and flailing my arms up and around like a 13 year old girl going to a *insert random pop band name here* concert.

I've waited a LONG time for this...I REALLY needed a new game to look foward too.

I finally have something to be excited for in video gaming...
- :bluu:

[Remy Saotome]

Awesome.

[nameingway]

no diablo 3 so i really don't care. i was a big wc2 nut and didn't really dig wc3, nor did i play sc. this might get checked out.

[MagnetiX]

lol, when I saw the "Hell, it's about time" on the SC2 website, I just started to laugh.

I think Protoss seem to have a bit of an advantage, but also a smaller disadvantage at the same time. They don't have a regular cloaked unit since Dark Templars are now turned into year 3000 looking cars that can teleport, but it looks really, really nice.

I can't wait to see the Terran and Zerg units.

Also, it looks like WC3, but with SC units. It looks good, i'm hoping the story will be great. I replayed the story on BroodWar a lot because it was so good.

[catchafire]

I'll make this post, the first official complaint: Is it me or is it VERY similar to SC1? Maybe it's just me, I was expecting a huge style and graphical evolution, instead it's SC with WC3's engine.

Either way, I did cream my pants and will be watching this game with hawk eyes.

Why the fuck do you complain? :rolleyes:

Well, let me apologize... You are right, it definately looks way too similar to SC1... They just simply added a fresh coat of paint. I'm still excited though.

[AcEtUrNeDjOkEr]

Been waiting about 9 years for this....i'm on the bandwagon for SC2.

Anyone down for some SC1 later?????

[fishjie]

Why the fuck do you complain? :rolleyes:

Well, let me apologize... You are right, it definately looks way too similar to SC1... They just simply added a fresh coat of paint. I'm still excited though.

thats good. they shouldnt really mess with core gameplay. the original sc was pretty well balanced. it was truly a thing of beauty. oh sure, terran is supposed to have a very good matchup against zerg, but it wasnt anything ridiculous like the gap between say, Ryu vs Cable.

[The_Dragon]

Oh Lord, let it be said that your will is just, divine, and glorious. Amen. I have been waiting for this game for a long, long time. At last I have a true motivation to buy a new computer system.

[ar4mith]

I've been waiting for this shit for years... now only if that Daum video would load.

[catchafire]

Don't know if this has been posted in here or not, but here's actual video of the gameplay and so far it looks FUCKING good.

http://www.gamevideos.com/video/id/11667

http://www.gamevideos.com/video/id/11668

[Daemos]

lol, when I saw the "Hell, it's about time" on the SC2 website, I just started to laugh.

I think Protoss seem to have a bit of an advantage, but also a smaller disadvantage at the same time. They don't have a regular cloaked unit since Dark Templars are now turned into year 3000 looking cars that can teleport, but it looks really, really nice.

I can't wait to see the Terran and Zerg units.

Also, it looks like WC3, but with SC units. It looks good, i'm hoping the story will be great. I replayed the story on BroodWar a lot because it was so good.

The Protoss sound fucking scary with their aerial units, imagine if the Carrier is still in this game. Mothership + Carrier + Warp Rays + Phase Prisms that allow the Warp Gate to teleport in newly built units IMMEDIATELY the enemy base = DOOM!

I can only begin to imagine Zerg will be able to counter this amount of technology. Plus, many of the Terran and Protoss units really do look identical, though nothing is finalized, I hope they are just place holders. For example, the Terran and Protoss defenses, the Terran Siege Tank and Battle Ship, just 3D versions their predecessors, which is not bad but it's not good either because this game is an opportunity to elaborate and evolve on previous designs. In fact, ALL of the Terran and Protoss structures I have seen thus far ARE just 3D versions of their predecessors (gateway, photon cannon, command center, bunker etc.).

Again, I know tampering with perfection is risky but I think it would be a shame to wait for so long and still have the same visuals.

Most of all, I am interested to see what new gameplay mechanics are adopted. I love SC gameplay but I thoroughly enjoyed WC3's hero system and it would fit rather well in SC2, given the rich history and diversity of characters.

[catchafire]

I'm creaming off those fucking vids!!!

The end of the second video is fucking genius... The zerg surving a nuclear blast, creeping out and speelling "GG"!!! THANKS YOU BLIZZARD!

[sixtymhz]

Zerg ftw.
Rushing shit down since '98.

Im so excited for this game!!
Blizzard++


:looney::looney:

[DevilJin 01]

StarCraft 2...the sequel to probably the longest running competitive video game in history. Too bad I'm a fighting gamer.

[catchafire]

Yeah, but I love my PC, console, and handheld games just the same. Also, it's something new, so yeah...

[KING]

Omg Starcraft 2 Looks Fucking Sexy@!!!!!!

[MagnetiX]

The Protoss sound fucking scary with their aerial units, imagine if the Carrier is still in this game. Mothership + Carrier + Warp Rays + Phase Prisms that allow the Warp Gate to teleport in newly built units IMMEDIATELY the enemy base = DOOM!

I can only begin to imagine Zerg will be able to counter this amount of technology. Plus, many of the Terran and Protoss units really do look identical, though nothing is finalized, I hope they are just place holders. For example, the Terran and Protoss defenses, the Terran Siege Tank and Battle Ship, just 3D versions their predecessors, which is not bad but it's not good either because this game is an opportunity to elaborate and evolve on previous designs. In fact, ALL of the Terran and Protoss structures I have seen thus far ARE just 3D versions of their predecessors (gateway, photon cannon, command center, bunker etc.).

Again, I know tampering with perfection is risky but I think it would be a shame to wait for so long and still have the same visuals.

Most of all, I am interested to see what new gameplay mechanics are adopted. I love SC gameplay but I thoroughly enjoyed WC3's hero system and it would fit rather well in SC2, given the rich history and diversity of characters.

Man, I find the whole "warping in" with these new pylons a bit...iono, over-doing it a little bit. I mean, Protoss units look fucking nice, AND FINALLY, Zealots don't walk like they have pineapples up their ass, but shit, man, I really don't know.
I'll ofcourse get it, no matter what, I mean, c'mon, it's Starcraft.

I wonder if they will keep the 200 food count limit, it'd be crazy if they did, I mean, just think about the kind of PC you'll need for that. The game will more than likely be released no sooner than next year, though i'm expecting a 2009 release - Blizzard loves to take their sweet time to perfect their games, and that's why I could care less how long they take to make this game.

SC2 does look alot like WC3, but only time will tell, I really just can't wait.

The gameplay looks fucking superb.

"GG" lol.

gg



Edit - Just saw it was coming out in November of this year?!

HOLY SHIT. GREATEST B-DAY PRESENT FOR ME. EVER. Thank you, Blizzard.


Edit 2 - Oh my god, I hope it is possible to select more than 12 units...oh man, that'd be some crazy shit.

Edit 3 - lol, it seems like Blizzard took a lot of the imbalances from SC1 and took em out in 2. The Immortals have like, ever lasting shields, since Immortals are the new Goons and used to get pwned by tanks...hahaha.

[TempestFox]

Not Korean.... but there go my pants.

[Demon Dash]

Great... Another way to waste my life, that's just what I need...

[Unreallystic]

Most of all, I am interested to see what new gameplay mechanics are adopted. I love SC gameplay but I thoroughly enjoyed WC3's hero system and it would fit rather well in SC2, given the rich history and diversity of characters.

I actually DON'T want them to do this. I don't play a ton of games anymore, but from what I have played in the past, between the WC series, the C&C series and that robot one Ace and HellFX used to play - I very much dislike 'hero units' in a multi-player setup. Sure its nice for single player - but the beauty of SC was that you could send 5 control groups of a unit *say zealots* - and by the time they've finally bit the dust - you ave another 5 control groups up. The whole 'macro' mangement thing I like so much more. I remember one time I built acontrol group of queens to use as defense to terran siege tanks, just to find out that with all teh micro needed for it, I never used more than 3 queens *the other queens became scouts and wraith bait*.
- :bluu:

[Carpet Lint]

HOLY FUCKING SHIT

Man, I CANNOT wait to play this when it comes out in 2099.

And I'm with Unreal - fuck that hero unit shit. I want legions of anonymous units marching to their deaths for me, and then upon their deaths, immediately another fresh legion ready to go.

[RoninChaos]

I will officially be walking around for the rest of the day with an erection that's gonna have all my employees thinking I popped 15 viagras. It probably won't go down for 3 weeks.

[ThunderGod Cid]

oh shit

[Sharktongue]

gonna be cool when it comes out. im playing warcraft three right now , heh

[Scynix]

Am I the only one who has an issue with how close the camera is to the field? I swear, the protoss walkers take up a quarter of the freakin screen.

[MagnetiX]

If you watch the video, you can actually zoom in and out of set-up...I don't know if it's gonna be possible to do that in real game, but I think it will.

Zealots are fuckin TIIIGHTTT!! They can dash into battle, lol, FINALLY. It's like, they wavedash into that shit.
Also, where the hell are the vultures? Did they get taken out for those flying Fire Bats or whatever those guys were?
By the looks of it, Terran Heavy Metal will be quite obsolete against Immortal/Zealot combo.

The whole new nuking process is a tad bit gay, imo, I mean, it used to be just a small little red dot...now it's this huge crosshair that you can see from a mile away.

Along with the bigger units, the maps are gonna be geinormous. I think I will be upgrading my rig once this comes out - i've been meaning to upgrade, anyways.
What kinda maps we looking at here? 2048x1346?

Ah, I can't wait. If it comes out on November 20 of this year like they said it would, i'll save the money I get for b-day and just buy new shit for my PC and get SC2, lol.


SC2 FIGHTINGG!!

[Mizuki]

Don't get too excited, your gunna have to wait another 5 years for them to release it.

[DaemoN_]

They said that nothing in the video is Final and plus the other races probably get crazy ass units like the mothership too ,that black hole ability is beautiful . Since the zerglings now turn into exploding balls what are they gonna do with infested terran?

these units that can jump onto other terrain are too good,no more strategic ramp blocks or siege drops?

weird that they didn't show any regular templars.
These are from http://www.starcraft2.com/artwork.xml

http://us.media.blizzard.com/starcraft2/images/artwork/ss4-hires.jpg
uhhh?

http://us.media.blizzard.com/starcraft2/images/artwork/ss15-hires.jpg
melee hydralisk?

[spudlyff8fan]

Hydralisks have always had the giant scythe hands.

[Geese Pants]

It's over.............FUCKING OVER!!!!

November 20th...

GGPO work, school.............LIFE!!!

And as long as the involves Kerrigan getting gangraped my Templars.......and I do mean COAL SAUSAGED gangraped.....I will enjoy this game.

[Kalypso]

Zealot = Draenie Warrior

O.o

[catchafire]

Along with the bigger units, the maps are gonna be geinormous. I think I will be upgrading my rig once this comes out - i've been meaning to upgrade, anyways.
What kinda maps we looking at here? 2048x1346?

Ah, I can't wait. If it comes out on November 20 of this year like they said it would, i'll save the money I get for b-day and just buy new shit for my PC and get SC2, lol.


SC2 FIGHTINGG!!

I personally hope that the maps aren't too large. You remember Supreme Commander, and the hype machine behind it... Worlds so large, blah blah blah... Haven't heard a sqeak about it since C&C. I'm more concerned about online play and compatability issues with pc requirements.

Also, it's scheduled to come out in November 2007- not 5 years from now...

[The_Dragon]

People are already pulling release dates out of their asses, how fun. From the Blizzard FAQ Page:

When is the game coming out?

At this point, it's too early to provide an initial estimate on the release date. As with all Blizzard games, we will take as much time as needed to ensure the game is as fun, balanced, and polished as possible


Even if Blizzard actually gives a release date, it's most likely going to extend itself past that date by a minimum of 3-6 months. It's Blizzard. Man, I am beyond psyched for this game. I am already planning out my new computer system.

[Geese Pants]

Even if Blizzard actually gives a release date, it's most likely going to extend itself past that date by a minimum of 3-6 months. It's Blizzard. Man, I am beyond psyched for this game. I am already planning out my new computer system.

Cool.............my new PC parts are on the way.

Western Digital Raptor WD740ADFD 74GB 10,000 RPM Serial ATA150 Hard Drive OEM - $159.99

Intel Core 2 Duo E6420 Conroe 2.13GHz LGA 775 Processor Model BX80557E6420 Retail - $189.00

Arctic Silver 5 Thermal Compound - $5.99

EVGA 640-P2-N821-AR GeForce 8800GTS 640MB GDDR3 PCI Express x16 HDCP Video Card Retail - $359.99

ASUS P5B Deluxe/WiFi-AP LGA 775 Intel P965 Express ATX Intel Motherboard Retail - $192.99

Thermaltake W0106RU Complies with ATX 12V 2.2 & EPS 12V version 700W Power Supply Retail - $169.99

Logitech Cordless Desktop EX110 967561-0403 Black USB + PS/2 RF Wireless Standard Keyboard Mouse Included Retail - $29.99

CORSAIR XMS2 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model TWIN2X2048-6400 Retail - $123.00

ZALMAN CNPS9500 AT 2 Ball CPU Cooling Fan/Heatsink Retail - $47.99

It will be all to the good.............:tup:

[catchafire]

It's not as if we haven't been waiting a long time already... The fact that it has been Officially announced and in such a grandiose way is proof enough that it will be out... If its out end of the year- fine, if not, it's still okay because it's coming!!!

[jim_kim]

When released, are we expecting BNet to crash severly when the Koreans get online? I remember when SC1 went online and apparently the Koreans crashed every server like a bunch of locusts....moving from one to another....

[catchafire]

Some additional video w/ nice commentary on gameplay!!! I've came 10 times already...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B1KnmnFxHoE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1RxXko-AnM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=050akGtHDM4

[CarpeNoctumXIII]

"Hell, it's about time..."

You damn right it is. 2007=one, if not THE best year to be a gamer, and to go broke as well. I just hope this isn't Vista only.

[Dr. Stormlocke]

The whole new nuking process is a tad bit gay, imo, I mean, it used to be just a small little red dot...now it's this huge crosshair that you can see from a mile away.

I was thinking the same thing. I think to compensate for this, they're going to get launched and detonated a lot faster.

Some really interesting stuff. My only complaint is really minor in the scheme of things: I just think the Protoss Colossus unit is way too trite. That design has been in so many different sci-fi themed movies/games it's ridiculous. War of the Worlds, Half-Life 2, C&C3 etc etc.

If they can balance this game half as good as the first one, I'll be impressed.

[crimzonflame]

"Hell, it's about time..."

You damn right it is. 2007=one, if not THE best year to be a gamer, and to go broke as well. I just hope this isn't Vista only.

Don't worry. Blizzard always puts low system requirements for its games.

[Starhammer]

FINALLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! AT LONG LAST IT WILL HAPPEN!!!!!!!!!
I was worried that I might not live to see the day. ZERGLING RUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUSH!!!!!!!!! !!

-Starhammer-

[FMJaguar]

Don't worry. Blizzard always puts low system requirements for its games.

Just to confirm, from http://www.starcraft2.com/faq.xml

Will the game run natively on Windows Vista? StarCraft II will be fully compatible with Windows Vista, as well as XP. We'll have more details on system requirements closer to release.

Will StarCraft II be available on Mac simultaneously with PC? As with all of Blizzard's recent releases, StarCraft II will ship on both PC and Mac simultaneously.

Will StarCraft II take advantage of DirectX 10? What other graphical goodies are included? The game will be compatible with DirectX 10, and we're still considering whether there will be exclusive DirectX 10 graphic effects, but the graphics engine will also be very scalable to ensure that a wide range of different systems will be capable of running StarCraft II. The new engine is also capable of rendering very large units, as well as large numbers of units on screen together. Havok physics have been integrated into the engine for added realism as well.

[RockBogart]

For those who keep bringing up Diablo 3, have you heard of Hellgate London?

[UltraDavid]

You can see in the vid with the dashing zealots that you'll be able to select at least 16 units. That group of zealots is 12, and in the selected screen the units are lined up in rows of 8, one row of 8 being taken up and the next one with only 4. It also looks like it might be able to fit another row of 8, meaning that you might be able to select up to 24 units at once!

Edit: Any word on whether it will be Windows only?

[CarpeNoctumXIII]

For those who keep bringing up Diablo 3, have you heard of Hellgate London?

Sure I have, that's still NOT Diablo III though, even though it might just keep some of us Diablo fans happy until Blizz decides to make a 3rd. As for the system requirements for StarCraft II, I'm glad it can run on XP since I'm not going to upgrade to Vista any time soon.

[sambao]

damn now I gotta keep my eyes peeled for the (hopeful!) limited edition set.

that way I can sell it on ebay!!

[PozerWolf]

As for the system requirements for StarCraft II, I'm glad it can run on XP since I'm not going to upgrade to Vista any time soon.
I don't think any really is until a year from now :wasted:

But yeah, looks like I got my new comp just in time =D

[Sacr3D]

FINALLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! AT LONG LAST IT WILL HAPPEN!!!!!!!!!
I was worried that I might not live to see the day. ZERGLING RUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUSH!!!!!!!!! !!

-Starhammer-

Zergling bomb rush is gonna be crazy.

[Tokoyama2000]

stalkers better know how to goon dance.

[Raziel321]

blizzard= awesome

[TheDarkPhoenix]

I know this won't come out until like Christmas next year but man Im HYPED!

[{PFH}-Lake]

I bet anything there going to add that new race thats Half-zerg Half-Protoss, if you know the story. Ill play it has long as they dont add heroes like in wc3 were you have to level up. I want to play a War/strat game not a rpg.

[Unreallystic]

If you watch the video, you can actually zoom in and out of set-up...I don't know if it's gonna be possible to do that in real game, but I think it will.

Zealots are fuckin TIIIGHTTT!! They can dash into battle, lol, FINALLY. It's like, they wavedash into that shit.
Also, where the hell are the vultures? Did they get taken out for those flying Fire Bats or whatever those guys were?
By the looks of it, Terran Heavy Metal will be quite obsolete against Immortal/Zealot combo.

The whole new nuking process is a tad bit gay, imo, I mean, it used to be just a small little red dot...now it's this huge crosshair that you can see from a mile away.

Along with the bigger units, the maps are gonna be geinormous. I think I will be upgrading my rig once this comes out - i've been meaning to upgrade, anyways.
What kinda maps we looking at here? 2048x1346?

Ah, I can't wait. If it comes out on November 20 of this year like they said it would, i'll save the money I get for b-day and just buy new shit for my PC and get SC2, lol.


SC2 FIGHTINGG!!

Well, if you go to the official site - all thats up are protoss items - meaning they have been flushing them up 'first' and mroe than liley the larger terran and zerg changes wil lbe unveiled at a later date.

I'm sorta in line with you, I might look at upgrading for this one - and I'm NOT fond of doing that. BTW...

http://www.starcraft2.com/art.xml?13 - Xel Naga appearance? New Terran unit?

http://us.media.blizzard.com/starcraft2/images/screenshots/ss2-hires.jpg - my new background
- :bluu:

[De4dEyE]

Dude, those trailers where it shows the Zealots bum rushing marines... That's fucking SICK.

[fishjie]

I bet anything there going to add that new race thats Half-zerg Half-Protoss, if you know the story. Ill play it has long as they dont add heroes like in wc3 were you have to level up. I want to play a War/strat game not a rpg.

perhaps. it was implied on the secret level that duran was a xel naga and he was creating a new race of zerg toss hybrids. pretty sweet

maybe theyll make xel naga playable too

[MagnetiX]

lol, the Zealot bumrush skill is actually really, really good.
Zealots used to just be meat to get inside, now they can actually do some actual good.

One thing I am worried about is that, in one of the screenshots, you only see like, a few mineral mines and like...6 SCVs...I don't know how that's really going to work out, but oh well.

Man, I love how Blizzard really did a damn good job on detailing every single thing.
When you unload units from those Protoss shuttles, they actually seem to "warp" down. It's the little things like that that makes me love Blizzard even more.

Well, Kerrigan is obviously gonna be in here, then there's a new Raynor-esque guy, it looks really good overall.

One thing, overall though, is i'm hoping for balance like in SC1. I find SC to be the most balanced game i've ever played. In WC3, there is a lot of imbalances and race counters that make it a bit less enjoyable to play.

[Xiii]

A decade of wait and a little more. I rarely ever buy games, but Starcraft 2 is definitely going to be the first non-fighter I'm dropping cash on without a second thought as soon as I see it drop onto the shelf.

[TheDarkPhoenix]

Looks like its going to be more like wc3 in some ways. Which isn't a bad thing, I doubt it'll be as balanced as the 1st one. But good none the least

[fishjie]

that mother ship looks broken

it can generate a black hole that sucks in all nearby air units? LOL!

[catchafire]

For those who keep bringing up Diablo 3, have you heard of Hellgate London?

For those who bring up Diablo 3, then need to take a back seat right now... We're JUST getting Starcraft 2...

[Geese Pants]

that mother ship looks broken

it can generate a black hole that sucks in all nearby air units? LOL!


And it can stop bullets..............shiznit!

I'll miss the Goons though.

[Unreallystic]

that mother ship looks broken

it can generate a black hole that sucks in all nearby air units? LOL!

Yeah it looks WAY broken, but but but...he mentioned giving the ship extra energy so it could use the black hole - it has those abilities, but how frequently can it use them. Would be nice to recall it though...blackhole a control group of wraiths/Valks/BCs, then get recalled back to safety.

Scourges will prolly eat it alive - its anti air defense seems weak sauce.
- :bluu:

[catchafire]

http://www.gamevideos.com/video/id/11671

Better narrated vid (20 minutes long) for discussion... (where can I download?)

Can't someone consolidate all the vids and media, ahem... kalypso...

[Unreallystic]

go to starcraft2.com and check teh video section. DL the drawings vid. At about 1:34-1:35 they show a drawing of the hybrid thing - so you know its a key storyline element.
- :bluu:

[Spirit Juice]

Starcraft II. My life is complete.

For those worried about the food limit, a screenshot of a protoss HUD shows their current limit at 170 or so. So, yeah, I expect the limit to be at 200 at least, giving us those massive armies of death that WC3 so cruely took from us.

[De4dEyE]

Probably going to be unbalanced as fuck when it comes out.. gonna take a few patches to make it even most likely.

I'm curious as to what the 'mega' units are for the rest of the races. If there's only a 1 per army limit (which is interesting), I really wonder what the Terran/Zerg ones are. I mean, you saw a bunch of Battlecruisers already, so that can't be it.. maybe it'll be like the grandfather of all battlecruisers, lol.

[Xiii]

Probably one of my dislikes is that the graphics are too clean and reminiscent of Warcraft 3's "shiny" look. I believe Starcraft was better meant to have a dirtier grittier look. I loved the way the 2D sprites had marines explode into pools of blood and the most satisfying death animation ever being the Hydralisk death. So far right now though, Zealot death animations are damn awesome. If they could level up the death animation for the Marines that would be awesome, but from what I've pieced together after reading through Blizzard's site... The death animations of certain units seem to be a bit more "dynamic" with the use of Havok's physics engine.

Also anybody else feel the BCs for Terrans are way too small? I honestly would have liked the BC to be grander in scale. The Protoss units are huge now and it seems the Immortals (Dragoon replacement) were placed in to make stuff like Flanking and Pinch maneuver strategies more useful. I too would have rather seen Dragoons as well, especially a new animation for the goon getting wrecked and all that blue liquid spilling out and possibly the crippled warrior inside just sliding out too. Visual stimulation for the win.

[Capcom_Presents]

God why, I just get out of rehab, NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO. 9 years too little too late

[C_2]

blizzard peeps are funny...
http://www.battle.net/forums/thread.aspx?fn=general&t=257482&p=1&#post257482

[defcon]

i just found out about this all this morning. i almost creamed myself.

[RushedDown]

need beta now

[catchafire]

Ofcourse, there will be an expansion set!!!

[Power Man Fox]

:looney: The protos look broken! Can't wait to see what extra units the zerg and terrans get.
Another race!! That's hella awesome. If it is the xel-naga(sp?) wouldn't they dominate? Aren't they the creators of the zerg and protos? Well who ever it is it'll be awesome.

[MagnetiX]

lol, the new Zerg Nydus canals, or whatever those are...WHAT THE FUCK?!?!
Damn, I can already see this game is gonna be so damn awesome, but I think it'll be still more macromanagement over micro, which is no problem at all, but damn, they really did a great job.

And lol - I didn't know Protoss can speak Korean :o
Motherfuckers are getting ADVANCED

[spudlyff8fan]

The little test tube babies Duran made that broke Zeratul are probably gonna show up...but as some kinda NPC. Or they might just retcon it.

[MagnetiX]

I think I have a bit of an idea of how SC2 gameplay is probably gonna go.

Every race has it's own "Mothership", like the Protoss do, and it's going to be a huge factor in how things will play out.
I think the game will be fairly balanced after reviewing the live demo.

[{PFH}-Lake]

:looney: The protos look broken! Can't wait to see what extra units the zerg and terrans get.
Another race!! That's hella awesome. If it is the xel-naga(sp?) wouldn't they dominate? Aren't they the creators of the zerg and protos? Well who ever it is it'll be awesome. the zerg ownd the xel-naga.

[MagnetiX]

I swear, if Kerrigan is gonna be a hot Zerg chick, i'm going Zerg.

More than likely, i'm gonna go Terran, but damn, Protoss look really fun to play, with all the warping and terrain walking intact, it looks great.

[Daemos]

I'm really interested to see where they take the Zerg. The Terrans seem relatively unchanged even in style which is a shame but I'll give them the benefit of the doubt since nothing is finalized.

For Zerg, I'd really like to feel like I'm playing a totally different game when I use them. The initial idea I had involved the Zerg base functioning almost like a single bio-organism rather than separate entities. In turn every new structure is not necessarily independent and is added to a collective of bio-structures that are all connected to a central brain or command center. In laymen's terms, think of it as each structure is an add-on to a primary structure. Structures could be placed independently but would not reap great benefits from being part of a biomass like this. Add the creep into all of this and we're looking at some VERY weird looking bases. ^_^

@Magnetix

Starcraft never really had units in each faction that have necessary 'equivalents'. So I don't think Terrans and Zerg will have a Mothership-like unit at all. I imagine the Protoss Mothership is really a replacement for the Carrier or Arbiter (or both). I can't see the Protoss actually still having the Carrier along with their current aerial armada, they would be unstoppable.

Again, I'm very curious to see what sort of new toys the Terrans and Zerg will employ in this new war. Visually, I just hope the returning units/structures adopt A FRESHER visual style & design, like the new Nydus canals, LOVED THEM.

[Tokoyama2000]

or you can just bum rush and win

[Daemos]

No bum rush! NO BUM RUSH!!!

[MagnetiX]

@Magnetix

Starcraft never really had units in each faction that have necessary 'equivalents'. So I don't think Terrans and Zerg will have a Mothership-like unit at all. I imagine the Protoss Mothership is really a replacement for the Carrier or Arbiter (or both). I can't see the Protoss actually still having the Carrier along with their current aerial armada, they would be unstoppable..


Yeah, I do see your point, but we'll just have to see.
At first, I thought it was the new Carrier, but I think they will be taking out Arbiter for sure. I mean, Arbiter recall costs energy, if you look at the Phase Prism, they just warp in as many as you can get. The game will be crazy as hell.

lol, I can already see the Korean commentators going wild...

"Yeahh...Phase Prism, oh! ...yeah...yeah...YUUEAAAAAAHHHHH!!!!!! PHASE PRISM DROP-UH!! YUUUUUUEAAAHHH!!!!!!! YEAAAAAAAAAAAHHH!! BLACK HOLE!! MOTHERSHIP-UH!!!! YEAAAHH HAHAHAA!!! YEAAAAHHH!! JEGGULING!! JEGGULING (zergling)!!! BANNULING!! BANNULING!!! (baneling) YUEEAHHH!!....YUUUEAAHH!! GEE GEE!!!!!!"
*crowd goes insane - 50 girls in the crowd are now dripping from orgasms*

[Night]

Haha, they haven't even posted any of the new stuff for the Terran or Zerg yet let alone the game actually yet to even be played and some people are already crying out "zomg toss imba!!!11one!!1"

[MagnetiX]

Haha, they haven't even posted any of the new stuff for the Terran or Zerg yet let alone the game actually yet to even be played and some people are already crying out "zomg toss imba!!!11one!!1"

lol, I think it's mainly because of due to the bias of the Blizzard crew toward the Protoss because of the live demonstration, I doubt the real game is gonna be anything like that. I can't wait to see what's in store for Terran and Zerg.

Supposedly, it's been confirmed by Blizzard that there will only be Terran, Zerg and Protoss, no other new races, which i'm somewhat glad to hear because there isn't any other race I could think of. A Zerg/Toss combo would just sound a little weird, and a Toss/Terran combo sounds fairly...iono, weird.
And plus, why create a new specie when you already have the perfect 3? Adding one more is probably going to make it a bit imbalanced due to so many different units.

[kimterran]

im glad i got this username! can someone hook me up with some terran av to complete my day.. thanks!

[Deonysios]

Any word on Reavers? they where high ass hell on the tech tree, but they where one of my fav units for 'toss. And I hope they still have the templars.

[funkymusic]

Any word on Reavers? they where high ass hell on the tech tree, but they where one of my fav units for 'toss. And I hope they still have the templars.


IMO. They wont take out any unit they had in SC. Also id like to say that the gameplay video with the new zealot shield, blinking tanks, collosi, and new Phoenix units for the protoss just about made me cry in joy. Ive havent said this since i played mgs3 but... Im impressed.

[Unreallystic]

Any word on Reavers? they where high ass hell on the tech tree, but they where one of my fav units for 'toss. And I hope they still have the templars.

I have a feeling Reavers are going to be lost for impossibles, but I could be wrong.

As for the mothership issue, I expect eachrace to have an equivalent. The zerg will more than likely evolve a hatchery into it - the thing a step under the overmind or whatever...its what you 'technically' were in the first one. The Terran Battle Cruisers have always been WAY to small for me when you think of the original SC/BC intro. More than likely we'll see a 'real' Battle Cruiser as the terran mothership.
- :bluu:

[UltraDavid]

IMO. They wont take out any unit they had in SC. Also id like to say that the gameplay video with the new zealot shield, blinking tanks, collosi, and new Phoenix units for the protoss just about made me cry in joy. Ive havent said this since i played mgs3 but... Im impressed.
Actually they said that some units wouldn't be returning. For example, the dragoon is gone, and in its place is the immortal.

[Harem]

IMO. They wont take out any unit they had in SC. Also id like to say that the gameplay video with the new zealot shield, blinking tanks, collosi, and new Phoenix units for the protoss just about made me cry in joy. Ive havent said this since i played mgs3 but... Im impressed.

They already took Dragoons and replaced them with Immortals.

[Spirit Juice]

They also already took out Dark Templars and replaced them with Stalkers, or so that's what is implied.

[Sacr3D]

They also already took out Dark Templars and replaced them with Stalkers, or so that's what is implied.

No they said its a NEW type of dark templars.

[kimterran]

so will they put heroes in the game like wc3? i hope they dont.. i like the macromanagement more in sc

[MagnetiX]

I know they will take out a bunch of units, but it will be replaced, which isn't a bad thing, and it will also lead to many new game strategies and how the game will be played.
I'm just wondering if the current Korean pros will actually get up on this and also be pros - I say they are more than likely to be pros of SC2 like they were on SC1, but still, it'd be crazy if another guy becomes what BoxeR was in SC1.


Hopefully they don't add heroes, and I think at this point, they won't. They're trying to seperate WC3 to SC2 since a lot of people have been saying/asking if SC2 is going to be similar to WC3, and Blizzard has stated they are trying to do the best they can to make the game just like the old Starcraft, but even better.

[spudlyff8fan]

They also already took out Dark Templars and replaced them with Stalkers, or so that's what is implied.

Nope, the dragoon was a Ghost in the Shell kinda thing for the Protoss, where if they were old or injured or dying, they could transfer their brain to a machine. The Dark Templar came up with their own version of this, is all. But both Immortals and Stalkers seem to be Dragoon replacements.

[TheDarkPhoenix]

I really wanted heros....

I guess i would upset to man people tho.

[Raziel321]

i don't think people realize how epic this game will be. the original is so primitive in the gaming world, yet thousands and thousands of people still log in and play for this many years


im excited for UMS capabilities!

[catchafire]

I really wanted heros....

I guess i would upset to man people tho.

The hero idea is interesting and looks good on paper, but when you actually play w/ your hero, it takes away from the fun. Hero game play adds a different element of micro which I don't think is the focus of SC. For WC it makes sense...

[{PFH}-Lake]

Haha, they haven't even posted any of the new stuff for the Terran or Zerg yet let alone the game actually yet to even be played and some people are already crying out "zomg toss imba!!!11one!!1" its mostly the noobs who think carriors are unstoppable, cause in high level play if you watch vids from tournaments they hardly ever win with carriors.

[Jeesup]

its mostly the noobs who think carriors are unstoppable, cause in high level play if you watch vids from tournaments they hardly ever win with carriors.

wtf? everyone knows mass carriers = instant win

[De4dEyE]

If they took out Dark Temps. I would go on a rampage. Those units were cool. NINJA - cool.

Also, unless this game is going to have a HUGE array of different units (from the ones you see in the protoss demonstration and including the old ones not yet confirmed to be replaced), some are gonna be replaced.

[MagnetiX]

If they took out Dark Temps. I would go on a rampage. Those units were cool. NINJA - cool.

Also, unless this game is going to have a HUGE array of different units (from the ones you see in the protoss demonstration and including the old ones not yet confirmed to be replaced), some are gonna be replaced.

The Dark Templars were definitely an awesome unit, just by their design alone, but I think they will be taken out, sadly.

its mostly the noobs who think carriors are unstoppable, cause in high level play if you watch vids from tournaments they hardly ever win with carriors.

What are you talking about, man? We all know having 12 Carriers is instant win. Duh!

[catchafire]

Current FAQ from Blizzard website:



Basics

What is StarCraft II?

StarCraft II is the ultimate competitive real-time strategy game, and the sequel to the hit original, StarCraft. The game will include three completely distinct and balanced races, the Protoss, Terran, and Zerg, which have been overhauled and re-imagined with a number of new units for each, as well as new tricks for some of the classic units that are returning.
When is the game coming out?

At this point, it's too early to provide an initial estimate on the release date. As with all Blizzard games, we will take as much time as needed to ensure the game is as fun, balanced, and polished as possible.

How will StarCraft II be different from StarCraft?

StarCraft II will run on a vibrant new 3D-graphics engine that will be capable of rendering beautiful landscapes as well as massive individual units and army sizes.

We're also introducing a number of distinct new units to the Protoss, Terran, and Zerg, and even some of the familiar units that return in StarCraft II will have new tricks up their sleeves, which will give the game its own unique flavor.

In addition, Battle.net will be overhauled with some new and exciting features to enhance online play and competition, while the story-mode campaign will also offer some unique aspects for players who enjoy single-player content. We'll have more details on all these aspects in the months to come.

Will there be both single-player and multiplayer components?

Yes, StarCraft II will include a unique story-mode campaign, as well as multiplayer capability over Battle.net. We'll provide more detail on both of these aspects a little further along in the development process.

What will StarCraft II's story line be? Will any of the characters from the original StarCraft make an appearance in StarCraft II?

It's a little too early to get into details on the story. Once we're able to discuss the single-player campaign in detail, we'll also share some exciting information about the story line for the game.

How many cinematic cut-scenes will be included?

We know that StarCraft II players will expect to see some Blizzard-quality cinematic content in the game, and we have definite plans to include multiple cinematics, starting with a cinematic intro. We'll provide further confirmation once final determinations have been made.

How many races are in StarCraft II?

In StarCraft II, players will see the return of the Protoss, Terran, and Zerg races. Our goal is to ensure that all the factions in the game play even more distinctly from one another than in the original StarCraft, while still maintaining the fine balance that helped make StarCraft such a classic. We're also introducing a number of new units to each race, as well as modifying some of the familiar units returning in StarCraft II. With these design refinements and the new features we have planned for the single-player and multiplayer elements of the game, StarCraft II will offer a next-generation StarCraft experience.

StarCraft II has some big shoes to fill - is there added pressure in developing a follow-up to one of the most beloved games of all time?

We recognize that the bar is set pretty high, but this type of pressure is not new to us. Warcraft III had to follow in the footsteps of Warcraft II, and Diablo II had to follow the original Diablo. Creating a StarCraft game that's bigger and better than the original is definitely a big challenge, but it's one that we fully intend to meet and exceed.

Will the game be released in multiple countries? Will the release be simultaneous? Which countries and what languages will the game be localized in?

Our goal is to release the game simultaneously across the world in multiple languages. As we get closer to release, we'll have more details to share.

Will there also be an expansion, and if so, what features will it contain?

Our focus has been and will continue to be on developing and refining the core StarCraft II experience, so we haven't really had much time to consider what types of things we would include with an expansion for the game if we were to do one.

Will there be a console version of StarCraft II?

StarCraft II is being developed for the PC. We have no current plans to bring the game to any console platform.

Battle.net

Will Battle.net be overhauled? Will there be new features?

There will be some exciting new changes and features to Battle.net that will help us ensure that StarCraft II will be the ultimate competitive online real-time strategy game. We're not quite ready to discuss those features at this time, but we look forward to getting into more detail in the future.
Will we still be able to play the original StarCraft on Battle.net after StarCraft II is released?

Yes, you will.

Will there be clan management?

We're not quite ready to discuss specifics related to Battle.net at this time, but we look forward to doing so in the future.

What steps are being taken to prevent cheating in multiplayer games?

We don't want to tip our hand to the people who may try to cheat on Battle.net, so we can't go into too much detail, but rest assured that security is one of our top priorities as we redesign and overhaul Battle.net, and we will take every precaution to ensure fairness in our online games. We've taken an aggressive stance against cheating in all of our games, and our players have overwhelmingly supported us in that, so we don't have any intention to make any changes in that regard.

Cost, Rating, Beta/Trial versions

How much will StarCraft II cost? Where can I buy this game?

Pricing and availability will be determined and announced much closer to the release date.

What will StarCraft II's rating be?

We are aiming for a T-rating in the US, and similar ratings elsewhere in the world, but those details won't be finalized until we get closer to release.

Will there be a closed or open beta? How about a trial or demo version?

Decisions related to beta testing and trial or demo versions are usually made further along in the development process. We don't have any details available on these topics at the moment, but we will be happy to share the news once final decisions have been made.

Will there be a collector's edition?

Decisions related to the types of retail packages available will be made much closer to the game's release date.

Technical Aspects

What are the system requirements for StarCraft II?

We'll have more details on specific system requirements closer to the release date.

Will the game run natively on Windows Vista?

StarCraft II will be fully compatible with Windows Vista, as well as XP. We'll have more details on system requirements closer to release.

Will StarCraft II be available on Mac simultaneously with PC?

As with all of Blizzard's recent releases, StarCraft II will ship on both PC and Mac simultaneously.

Will StarCraft II take advantage of DirectX 10? What other graphical goodies are included?

The game will be compatible with DirectX 10, and we're still considering whether there will be exclusive DirectX 10 graphic effects, but the graphics engine will also be very scalable to ensure that a wide range of different systems will be capable of running StarCraft II. The new engine is also capable of rendering very large units, as well as large numbers of units on screen together. Havok physics have been integrated into the engine for added realism as well.l.

[catchafire]

http://futurenet.vo.llnwd.net/o2/pcgamer/pcgp_083_20070518.mp3

For your enjoyment.

[UltraDavid]

How many races are in StarCraft II?

In StarCraft II, players will see the return of the Protoss, Terran, and Zerg races.
This doesn't mean that there will only be Protoss, Terran, and Zerg, only that those three races will be in the game still. Whether there might also be another race or 40 thousand other races is unclear, and doesn't really do anything to dispel the notion that there might be. In fact, lawyerly language like that makes me think there will be more, or at least they want us to think there will be more.

[MrBlank]

The Dark Templars were definitely an awesome unit, just by their design alone, but I think they will be taken out, sadly.

I dont think they will be taken out. i mean one of the screen shots showed ZERATUL....

if he is in it i can almost guarantee his Elite of Leet crew will be there with him.

[kimterran]

The hero idea is interesting and looks good on paper, but when you actually play w/ your hero, it takes away from the fun. Hero game play adds a different element of micro which I don't think is the focus of SC. For WC it makes sense...

i agree.. if they put heroes itll be alot more similar to wc3 and theri gameplay.. and itll focus more on the micro rather than macromanagement.. i liked the fast paced game that sc offers

[UltraDavid]

Man I'm starting to get back into StarCraft now, I've been watching SC vids on YouTube all day!

[Geese Pants]

I was looking at some screenshots............and I've noticed that the terrans have shields. Could it be the Terrans marines are going to have a defensive ability?

[Ninja Wallace]

This doesn't mean that there will only be Protoss, Terran, and Zerg, only that those three races will be in the game still. Whether there might also be another race or 40 thousand other races is unclear, and doesn't really do anything to dispel the notion that there might be. In fact, lawyerly language like that makes me think there will be more, or at least they want us to think there will be more.

Actually, it's been confirmed that only those three races will be playable.

http://www.gamespot.com/pc/strategy/starcraft2/news.html?sid=6171172

"The panel also confirmed that the sequel will have only the three factions of the Protoss, Terrans, and Zerg; there will be no fourth faction. To address another question, the panel suggested that the resource management system in the sequel will feature "some enhancements, but it will still be very similar to the resource management in Starcraft, and just as important." "

I was looking at some screenshots............and I've noticed that the terrans have shields. Could it be the Terrans marines are going to have a defensive ability?

It's probably not the marines creating the shields, but a new unit with a special ability to shield other units.

[De4dEyE]

It's probably not the marines creating the shields, but a new unit with a special ability to shield other units.

He's talking about actual shields built into the marine armor.


About that, it's probably just an aesthetic feature.

[kimterran]

yep. the thing i liked about starcraft.. each race is very unique. they wont put shields on marines, its unique for protoss

[Night]

I was looking at some screenshots............and I've noticed that the terrans have shields. Could it be the Terrans marines are going to have a defensive ability?

They could maybe just be medics since the medic sprite had a shield in SC1. I won't speculate too much, and just go with everything that gets revealed when they're revealed heh.

[mags]

I made a starcraft thread in the other games sub forum for swapping b.net handles and such. I for one am trying to get less rust at sc1 in order to get hype for sc2. SRK starcraft tourney 1$ buy in winner gets premium would be what's up.

[Mixah]

<sex>
Starcraft 2
</sex>

[ImperialSport]

yep. the thing i liked about starcraft.. each race is very unique. they wont put shields on marines, its unique for protoss

Yea I agree with Kimterran, they will try to keep balance of races as a number one priority.

[MagnetiX]

Ah, I just finally looked at the screenshots more closely...and Marines do have shields. Maybe they're gonna be like footmen in WC3? A way to block piercing attacks, or long ranged attacks? Maybe used as an upgrade...or just an upgrade image, hmm, who knows?

[MiyagiShin X]

aww man... i cant wait... finally another good RTS. Blizzard never fails me :)

[Zazzarius]

SC2 + C&C3 = old school RTS is BACK

awesome

[DragonSama]

I've been watching the vids on you tube today and man this looks good. I actual started paying Starcraft for the first time last week and I am slowly getting onto it. Granted it's Starcraft 64 but still it's pretty fun.

Hey does anyone know what it said in Korean during the Trailer? whatever it was it made that crowd go nuts.

[MagnetiX]

I've been watching the vids on you tube today and man this looks good. I actual started paying Starcraft for the first time last week and I am slowly getting onto it. Granted it's Starcraft 64 but still it's pretty fun.

Hey does anyone know what it said in Korean during the Trailer? whatever it was it made that crowd go nuts.

It said

"Current Status : ---Active---"

[Yansoma]

It's hilarious people are ending their WoW subscriptions as if this game is going to come out within the next nine months. I bet the battle.net numbers for StarCraft are increasing rapidly everyday.

[Sacr3D]

It said

"Current Status : ---Active---"

Thats it ? LOL

[Geese Pants]

I hope they add an indicator to alert if there are builder units idle..............like they did for WC3.

[MagnetiX]

Thats it ? LOL

...Yeah...pretty much...
Though, I think the reason why they started going crazy was because it was more of a foreshadowing of what's to come, and I think some people just knew that it would be Starcraft 2, which is why the crowd went nuts.


It's hilarious people are ending their WoW subscriptions as if this game is going to come out within the next nine months. I bet the battle.net numbers for StarCraft are increasing rapidly everyday.


lol, that'll be good, so Starcraft 2 has a huge community...hopefully Blizzard upgrades their Battle.Net servers...man, just think about it, there's going to be like, what? I'm guessing 5 million plus Korean players on the very first day, and that's just Korea alone, then you've got all the people who just know about Blizzard because of WoW, so then they jump on the bandwagon, and who knows how many that will be, but i'm guessing anywhere from 3-5 million, maybe more, so at the very least, the servers are gonna be loading anywhere from 8 million plus people in the first few days and steadily growing, but ofcourse, it will decline, but still...those servers better be stacked...like DDDDs or some shit.



I hope they add an indicator to alert if there are builder units idle..............like they did for WC3.




Man, I totally agree with you on that, but I think that's a bit unecessary when it comes to Starcraft. I mean, in WC3, you have 10-13 workers the whole game...10-13 workers don't even cut it in Starcraft, so having a worker idle indicator would be annoying because even in pro games, like let's say...BoxeR - i've seen a bunch of his replays where he leaves out 5-10 workers just around his base, which I don't know if he did on purpose or not, but who knows, yet he still won, so maybe they shouldn't add the indicator unless they fully revamp the whole style of mining minerals.

[CrouchingTiger]

I've been saying it sense I first set foot in WoW the first day it came out. If Blizzard ever made SC2, half the WoW players would IMMEDIATELY quit and migrate to it.

Probably temporarily, but still. For a few months, WoW is gonna be a barren wasteland heh.

And Blizzard isn't stupid... I'm sure they are well aware of this. They will probably time its release during a dry spell of WoW, after whatever new expansion has lost its luster and people are bored with WoW anyway. Then everybody will buy SC2, and Blizzard will pump it up for a few months, maybe up to a year. Then when that interest starts fading, BAM, new WoW expansion pack to lure them back to WoW.

Blizzard has got it MADE. $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

[fishjie]

if sc2 is a good, deep, and balanced game, interest will not fade. the tournament scene will keep it alive and very healthy, kinda like with koreans and starcraft right now. the casual players will go back to WOW but this will create a new generation of dedicated and competitive pro gamers. and of course, the casual players like me will also sit on the side lines and devour all the replays. assuming of course, they do a good job.

here's hoping

[ImperialSport]

I've been saying it sense I first set foot in WoW the first day it came out. If Blizzard ever made SC2, half the WoW players would IMMEDIATELY quit and migrate to it.

Probably temporarily, but still. For a few months, WoW is gonna be a barren wasteland heh.

And Blizzard isn't stupid... I'm sure they are well aware of this. They will probably time its release during a dry spell of WoW, after whatever new expansion has lost its luster and people are bored with WoW anyway. Then everybody will buy SC2, and Blizzard will pump it up for a few months, maybe up to a year. Then when that interest starts fading, BAM, new WoW expansion pack to lure them back to WoW.

Blizzard has got it MADE. $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

Sounds like a great plan.

. and of course, the casual players like me will also sit on the side lines and devour all the replays. assuming of course, they do a good job.

here's hoping

haha me too.

If anyone here is an active player in Broodwar and lookin for some regulars to play with, let me know :wgrin:.

[{PFH}-Lake]

the 1st time SC came out it was un-balanced but then the patchs came out to fix that.

[2D is Forever]

A petition to blizzard:
No Fastest or BGH maps allowed, keep that shit out!! Since WarIII didn't have that, it seems a lot of people moved onto UMS, also dota.

I'll admit I play those maps everyone once and a while, but I wonder what they intend to do with those kinds of maps.

[{PFH}-Lake]

A petition to blizzard:
No Fastest or BGH maps allowed, keep that shit out!! Since WarIII didn't have that, it seems a lot of people moved onto UMS, also dota.

I'll admit I play those maps everyone once and a while, but I wonder what they intend to do with those kinds of maps. you know those maps are hacked? So it depends if they can keep the hacks out.

[CarpeNoctumXIII]

Hmmm, this reminds me of a question I've always had. I never picked up on SC when it was first released(bought the Battle Chest about 2-3 years back(I think, might be longer), and I never got what did it do, back in 1998, that made it so popular to begin with. I'm not saying it's a bad game at all(it's fantastic), but what did it do back then that hadn't been done before?

Anyways, been trying to play again and my Protoss skills are gone now, WTF. Time to get back in shape. Any of you SRK players want to school me in the arts of SC?

[Sticky]

I'm not that big a fan of regular WC3, but I do love the DotA

[Tokoyama2000]

goddamn, when are they gonna update the site??

[valaris]

A petition to blizzard:
No Fastest or BGH maps allowed, keep that shit out!! Since WarIII didn't have that, it seems a lot of people moved onto UMS, also dota.

I'll admit I play those maps everyone once and a while, but I wonder what they intend to do with those kinds of maps.

What exactly are those maps? I'm a bit out of the loop. :looney:

[Night]

BGH is "Big Game Hunters" where it's just one huge main base with one main land entrance so from a defense standpoint, only need to plug up one hole to protect against land attacks. The main base is set up so you have pretty much infinite resources: a huge cache of minerals that'll pretty much never run dry, and iirc TWO nearby vespine gas mines that'll pretty much never run dry either, so you never have to expand and leave your base and just concentrate on build build build. Heh if you do decide to expand if you really wanted a lotta gas, the next natural expansion is very close and has the SAME entrance to your main base heh.

It was also an official map by Blizzard as well!

[MagnetiX]

lol, I think i'm about the only person to own WC3 since it's release in 2003 to never have been in a DoTA game. I have talked about it on forums, asked questions on how to play it, but i've never actually been in a game. I stayed in the game for about 5 minutes and i'm just like..."where's the micro?"...
Blizzard listens to their customers, so if anything is imbalanced, i'm sure it will get fixed right away, so i'm not worried at all.

[C_2]

i dont even know wtf is DOTA and i used to play war3 alot. I only played ladder games.

[El Maniatico]

you know those maps are hacked? So it depends if they can keep the hacks out.

With the system they have for finding games on WC3 those fast money maps shouldnt be a problem. In SC they showed ALL games even UMS games on one bar.

[kimterran]

im sure blizzard will do everything they can to keep this balanced

[UltraDavid]

lol, I think i'm about the only person to own WC3 since it's release in 2003 to never have been in a DoTA game. I have talked about it on forums, asked questions on how to play it, but i've never actually been in a game. I stayed in the game for about 5 minutes and i'm just like..."where's the micro?"...
Blizzard listens to their customers, so if anything is imbalanced, i'm sure it will get fixed right away, so i'm not worried at all.
I was one of the guys who waited outside the Best Buy before it opened to get WC3, but I've never played DoTA and have no intention to do so. I finally saw my friend play it a couple weeks ago and it looked pretty retarded.

[Geese Pants]

A petition to blizzard:
No Fastest or BGH maps allowed, keep that shit out!! Since WarIII didn't have that, it seems a lot of people moved onto UMS, also dota.

I'll admit I play those maps everyone once and a while, but I wonder what they intend to do with those kinds of maps.

I'd rather they bring BGH back...........me and my friends had alot of fun on BGH maps.

[TheDarkPhoenix]

lol, I think i'm about the only person to own WC3 since it's release in 2003 to never have been in a DoTA game. I have talked about it on forums, asked questions on how to play it, but i've never actually been in a game. I stayed in the game for about 5 minutes and i'm just like..."where's the micro?"...
Blizzard listens to their customers, so if anything is imbalanced, i'm sure it will get fixed right away, so i'm not worried at all.

Played dota once.....Much prefer the reg old game.

[catchafire]

Hmmm, this reminds me of a question I've always had. I never picked up on SC when it was first released(bought the Battle Chest about 2-3 years back(I think, might be longer), and I never got what did it do, back in 1998, that made it so popular to begin with. I'm not saying it's a bad game at all(it's fantastic), but what did it do back then that hadn't been done before?

Anyways, been trying to play again and my Protoss skills are gone now, WTF. Time to get back in shape. Any of you SRK players want to school me in the arts of SC?

At first I hated it and couldn't believe anyone played it. Then, my freshman year friends got me into it and it became the social thing to do. We played in the evenings, after dinner, and before bed- everyday. It was just fun I guess, and I liked it.

The game was good. Nowadays, if a game is decent, your going to get 3-4 sequels. SC has never had a sequel, so this explains the fan fair. Bad analogy, but you know... Also, it's a great speed game of rock, paper, scissors...






To be quite honest with you all, i'm playing SC Broodwar on a dl'ed copy from the net. I lossed my original account years ago and have no intent to play this game on the net, due to the serious ass kicking i'll get. If you guys want, we can all play on a HAMACHI server. This type of server emulates LAN, and we'll be able to play like that. I can set something up later and we can play Money Maps versus computer or 1v1/2v2 versus each other. I'd rather we play money maps against comp first since i'm sure most of us are rusty...


Also, if anyone is interested we can do the same thing for WC3 Frozen Throne. I'm a complete noob in this game...

[MagnetiX]

I was one of the guys who waited outside the Best Buy before it opened to get WC3, but I've never played DoTA and have no intention to do so. I finally saw my friend play it a couple weeks ago and it looked pretty retarded.
Yeah, man, and one thing I find hilarious is when I go on DoTA forums asking about how to play it, people are like "Yeah man, it totally requires skills."...like wtf, man, my 9 year old cousin plays DoTA and a lot of people say he's good, but lol, people who mainly play DoTA and say things like "lol, noob DoTA needs skills" are like, the most noobish Ladder players

Played dota once.....Much prefer the reg old game.

Truth, yo, Truth. I just can't have one unit throughout the whole game and just clicking rapidly for no reason like I see with everyone else when my family still had the internet cafe going. I remember like 10 guys would come in to play DoTA and i'd watch em for like, 3 hours and i'd just wonder why the hell you would play it over and over again.

[Yansoma]

DOTA is strictly for people who call themselves figger nucker or cumstainlarry and act like retards no matter if they win or lose.

[asianhitler]

DotA is fun! :annoy:

DotA would probably seem scrubby compared to the regular game or SC because you control only one hero; there's not as much microing. I'm just starting out on RTS games so it's easy enough to pick up. But there are over 80+ counter matchup to learn and 4x the amount of skills so there's still plenty to learn. Anyways, enough defending. I never really played the first SC but I am jumping on the hype and will be getting SCII!

[v1y]

war3 regular is great for 1v1.

dota is a fun team game.

haters need to stop :p

[ImperialSport]

The game was good. Nowadays, if a game is decent, your going to get 3-4 sequels. SC has never had a sequel, so this explains the fan fair. Bad analogy, but you know... Also, it's a great speed game of rock, paper, scissors...



Unless you consider the expansion set of broodwar, your right about SC not having a sequel until now.

I do; however, have to disagree with your rock paper scissors statement. This analogy makes it sound like the game is completely about guessing what your opponent is up to. That is incorrect.

This game at its most simplest level is about scouting your opponent. It's all about finding a way into your opponents base and then realizing what his options are. After that, you configure your game play to counter his.

Anything you do has its PROS and CONS, that's what makes the game so great; the fact that everything is punishable.

This is the most basic insight of starcraft but the game can get a little more complicated. Especially when you consider micro-management and, macro-management. Great micro will allow you to actually increase the chance of your units surviving a battle and gaining the upper-hand (Slayers Boxer is an example of excellent micro); however, this can interfere with your macro. Excellent macro will allow you to expand your economy and out- resource your opponent thus giving you more options but this requires leaving your units to fend for themselves (lloveOov is a good example of great macro skills). The key here is to find a good balance between your micro and macro. This requires concentration, focus and also experience.

Another thing that sets this game aside and makes it a little more tricky than rock paper scissors are the feints that can be used.

Feints are used to make your opponent think you are doing something and then you exploit his misdirection. An example of this would be to show your terran opponent a building Hydralisk den, but cancel it and build a Spire soon as the terran scout is killed or has left your base. This will allow you to use Mutas against his units which are most likely to consist of tanks because you mislead your opponent into getting anti-lurkers.

This game is not rock paper scissors.

[MiyagiShin X]

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Sumary = Starcraft is teh shit! You must play it and get good at strategy. Too Good:tup:

[Night]

DOTA is strictly for people who call themselves figger nucker or cumstainlarry and act like retards no matter if they win or lose.

Once I see a guy speak in "all chat" I pretty much do the /ignore thing on him because it won't be long until he busts out the n word eleventy billion times even though he has no way of knowing the person he's talking to is in fact, black... oh wait they use the "he's the brown colored player, so that means he's one!1!" excuse all the time, yeesh. I dunno why that game seems to have the most racism from all the games I've played heh. Even gun toting hicks on Counter Crap are more civil!

[MagnetiX]

DOTA is strictly for people who call themselves figger nucker or cumstainlarry and act like retards no matter if they win or lose.

:rofl:

DotA is fun! :annoy:

DotA would probably seem scrubby compared to the regular game or SC because you control only one hero; there's not as much microing. I'm just starting out on RTS games so it's easy enough to pick up. But there are over 80+ counter matchup to learn and 4x the amount of skills so there's still plenty to learn. Anyways, enough defending. I never really played the first SC but I am jumping on the hype and will be getting SCII!

But see, the thing about the 80+ counter matchups is just like, you learn every single hero, you learn every single situation since the map is ALWAYS EXACLTY THE SAME, so each strategy is copied off one another, but just varies a bit depending on your hero.

Snipped Truth.
This game is not rock paper scissors.

I totally agree. Starcraft is about outdoing your opponent, one way or the other, either by outplaying them with micro and macro, or just using ways of psyching them out to think of one thing, but then you going another.
I think a great player that shows this is NaDa. He's not called the "Genius Terran" for nothing. His micro and macro skills are pretty insane, but ofcourse, BoxeR in his prime owned everybody, so imo, I think watching old BoxeR matches, back 2003-2005, he just owned and created strategies that everyone still uses today.
Not to mention, even though BoxeR is in the military, he still comes up with ways to impress me.

With a recent match that took place about 2 weeks ago, his opponent had not scouted him out yet, so he goes out to another base, builds a barrack for a block and puts a Marine there to fake out his opponent and his opponent thinks he's actual there and tries to go in, but then finds out he's not even there.
I mean, that right there just goes to show you that BoxeR is just on another level.

Seriously, if only pro gamers were allowed to have sex with their fans, BoxeR would be oversexed...I mean, c'mon, he has a fan club of over 500,000? And 90% of those fans are girls? Jeez...

Once I see a guy speak in "all chat" I pretty much do the /ignore thing on him because it won't be long until he busts out the n word eleventy billion times even though he has no way of knowing the person he's talking to is in fact, black... oh wait they use the "he's the brown colored player, so that means he's one!1!" excuse all the time, yeesh. I dunno why that game seems to have the most racism from all the games I've played heh. Even gun toting hicks on Counter Crap are more civil!

lol, I hate it when I play CS or something and a random guy is like "WTF WAS THAT YOU NOOB, MAGNETIX, YOU STUPID *n word here*, GOD, I HATE YOU *n word here*, GO BACK TO AFRICA", lol, I just reply and be like "wtf...i'm Asian, man"...then everything is ok after that...or until they bust out the whole "Chink" Jap" "Gook", at that point it's all about the mute.

[Yoshi21]

lol, I think i'm about the only person to own WC3 since it's release in 2003 to never have been in a DoTA game. I have talked about it on forums, asked questions on how to play it, but i've never actually been in a game. I stayed in the game for about 5 minutes and i'm just like..."where's the micro?"...
Blizzard listens to their customers, so if anything is imbalanced, i'm sure it will get fixed right away, so i'm not worried at all.

wait u played a game for 5 min and judged it as stupid based on that? wow.

i play both ladder and dota. They are both good. I enjoy dota more.

[MagnetiX]

wait u played a game for 5 min and judged it as stupid based on that? wow.

i play both ladder and dota. They are both good. I enjoy dota more.

Nah, it was more like, people talked about it on the forums as if it was like a match between Grubby and Moon or something, they disected it even though there's nothing that needed to be disected, really. I usually like UMS games, like back in Starcraft, the old mass games and the like, and also the Foot Men Wars and whatnot, but DoTA, imo, is just boring. After playing ladder for a long time, I can't ever keep my hand steady on just 1 unit, so in the end, it's just way boring for me to play.

Then again, I stopped playing Warcraft 3 to