Is there a Dragon Ball Z thread? If not...

[semijuggalo]

Whoops! (http://www.rhio2k.com/miscmedia/Kiseki%20No%20Big%20Fight.mp3) Good looking out.

Much obliged, my good man!

How about them Android Saga plot holes, huh?

Thanks to the dynamic duo of Terry Klassen and Christopher Neel, Tao Pie-Pie was supposedly a general in the Red Ribbon Army and Dr. Gero was the mastermind of the whole thing! Oh, and Bulma knew Goku ever since he was five.

Sure, those mistakes didn't carry over to the Dragon Ball (Klassen and Neel were long gone by then), but what's done is, unfortunately, done.

I can tolerate the DBZ dub, but when they make stupid-ass mistakes like that when writing the script, I get rather annoyed. I'm just glad that they treat their other anime licenses with more respect now, because I believe they'll do a great job with One Piece.

Well, shit... ANY company would do, as long as it's not 4Kids!

[Rhio2k]

, but when they make stupid-ass mistakes like that when writing the script, I get rather annoyed. I'm just glad that they treat their other anime licenses with more respect now, because I believe they'll do a great job with One Piece.


I still believe they'll screw it up somehow. Everyone seems to try to kid-ify One Piece. Even the japanese-made fighting games are super-deformed (which is why I'll never play them).

[Batman77]

Much obliged, my good man!

How about them Android Saga plot holes, huh?

Thanks to the dynamic duo of Terry Klassen and Christopher Neel, Tao Pie-Pie was supposedly a general in the Red Ribbon Army and Dr. Gero was the mastermind of the whole thing! Oh, and Bulma knew Goku ever since he was five.

Sure, those mistakes didn't carry over to the Dragon Ball (Klassen and Neel were long gone by then), but what's done is, unfortunately, done.

I can tolerate the DBZ dub, but when they make stupid-ass mistakes like that when writing the script, I get rather annoyed. I'm just glad that they treat their other anime licenses with more respect now, because I believe they'll do a great job with One Piece.

Well, shit... ANY company would do, as long as it's not 4Kids!

wat pot holes:lol:
I actaully didn't notice any big ones in the cell/andriod saga so wat r some :bgrin:

[Autocrat1]

wat pot holes:lol:
I actaully didn't notice any big ones in the cell/andriod saga so wat r some :bgrin:
-SSJ2 Gohan killed 8 Cell Jr.s...Cell only shat 7 of them (1 for each remaining Z Fighter - Tien, Yamcha, Krillin, Piccolo, Goku, Trunks and Vegeta)

-Cell gets entire upper torso blowed da fok up by Goku, but comes back to life. When Cell self-destructed and came back to life (again) later, he mentioned that as long as one cell in his head exists, he becomes immortal, therefore refuting the former argument.

[semijuggalo]

Ted Cole was a great voice actor for Yamcha, but he sucked ass as #17 in the Ocean dub of later episodes.

Anyway, regarding the videogames......

I can't believe it took them so long to make DBZ games that don't totally suck! However, it seemed as if Webfoot Technologies were hellbent on perpetuate that fact when they made the first 'Legacy of Goku' game and that disgraceful fighting game, 'Taiketsu'!

Heh, Frieza caresses his balls... It's even MORE inappropriate the more you think about it!!

[Batman77]

-SSJ2 Gohan killed 8 Cell Jr.s...Cell only shat 7 of them (1 for each remaining Z Fighter - Tien, Yamcha, Krillin, Piccolo, Goku, Trunks and Vegeta)

-Cell gets entire upper torso blowed da fok up by Goku, but comes back to life. When Cell self-destructed and came back to life (again) later, he mentioned that as long as one cell in his head exists, he becomes immortal, therefore refuting the former argument.

:lol: I though he spat out 8 one for each fighter and 2 for one of them (goku or Vegeta or Trunks) but I could be wrong b/c I haven't seen that episode/s in a while or maybe he spat one off camera :lol: .

As for the cell thing that made sense to me b/c he originally came from a single cell that had all of the warriors in it and he does have piccolo's cells so that made sense to me that he could regenerate most of his body at a much faster rate after he absorbed 17 and 18. So you basically had to destroy all of his cells so when Goku destroyed his upper torso he still had enough cell and energy to regenerate himself so he wasn't dead then and Goku also knew this too b/c he knew it wasn't over.

As far as cell saying he's immortal that's just basically him smack talking like freeza or vegeta would do although it's not really true.

:bgrin: Although I gotta say the Buu Saga definitely had some plot holes and GT big time. :rofl:

[ReggieHadoken]

GT sucks massive goat balls but is A Hero's Legacy worth checking out? They have it at my fye store for $7.99.

Toriyama actually created that plot hole about Cell needing to have all of his Cells destroyed, and then saying as long as the core remains in his head, he'll survive. Same thing is said in the manga.

[semijuggalo]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KtSiqZBrNNc <---Goku's been through a hell of a lot of voice changes.

[Autocrat1]

GT sucks massive goat balls but is A Hero's Legacy worth checking out? They have it at my fye store for $7.99.
Hell no.

Goku Jr. is one annoying beeyotch.

[Batman77]

GT sucks massive goat balls but is A Hero's Legacy worth checking out? They have it at my fye store for $7.99.

Toriyama actually created that plot hole about Cell needing to have all of his Cells destroyed, and then saying as long as the core remains in his head, he'll survive. Same thing is said in the manga.

:lol: I'm not fully understanding how cell needing all his cells (or his mayne cell) destroyed when he's made from a single cell (that have other people's in it) is a plot hole but it's all good :bgrin: I thought they explain it before that happened but if I'm wrong O well. :razzy:

but as far as the buu saga goes I really don't understand how buu goes from fat to a skinny brown one that eats him then looks more normal (Super buu) then they take the fat buu out and then he turns into Kid Buu :wtf: that to me made no sense.

fat + skinny = normal/super
normal/super - fat = kid?

:lol: that just doesn't add or minus right

[ssj2shingohan]

but as far as the buu saga goes I really don't understand how buu goes from fat to a skinny brown one that eats him then looks more normal (Super buu) then they take the fat buu out and then he turns into Kid Buu that to me made no sense.

fat + skinny = normal/super
normal/super - fat = kid?

that just doesn't add or minus right

http://www.daizex.com/guides/transformations/buu/index.shtml

[Batman77]

http://www.daizex.com/guides/transformations/buu/index.shtml

:lol: you know I read it all and it still doesn't make full sense. I knew about this info before but no matter how hard I try it doesn't make sense. you pretty much have to use the terminator 3 excuse of "it just happens" and leave the explanation and reasoning out the window :lol:

[MrQuotes]

as badly drawn out as DBZ was by the time it got to buu saga, i have to admit kid buu was one of my all time favorite characters. all business and no bullshit, he comes back to being and whats the first thing he does? blows up earth. no dialogue, no buildup, just ggpo earth, kid buu accomplishes what every enemy has tried to do for 350+ episodes

[semijuggalo]

Here's a little bit of trivia...

According to Trunks, the Androids appeared on May 12th. However, when you watch Terminator 1 again, notice that Kyle Reese was sent back to May 12th, 1984.

Coincidence? I think not. Especially, when you think about Trunks's filler flashback, which featured him walking through a rundown building, occupied by crying women and children, as well as men sporting Capsule Corp. jackets and swords. Can you say "human resistance base scene"? It even ends with #17 and #18 barging in and shooting up the place!

Well, #17 only fired off a single shot from a handgun, but you get the idea.

Anyway, my point is that Terminator was obviously a big influence on Toriyama when creating the Androids Saga.

[Sonichuman]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KtSiqZBrNNc <---Goku's been through a hell of a lot of voice changes.

LMFAO @ the Unknown voice...oh god.....oh man..i'm dying..please..oh god...lmfao..

[ReggieHadoken]

as badly drawn out as DBZ was by the time it got to buu saga, i have to admit kid buu was one of my all time favorite characters. all business and no bullshit, he comes back to being and whats the first thing he does? blows up earth. no dialogue, no buildup, just ggpo earth, kid buu accomplishes what every enemy has tried to do for 350+ episodes

Oh I love Kid Buu. One of my fav DBZ villians right after Cell. In a way, Kid Buu is like Kefka. How many villians in Final Fantasy have tried to destroy/take over the world and fail. Kefka actually succeeded in destroying the world. Kid Buu succeeded in blowing up the planet.

T2 influenced Toriyama-San for the Android Saga? Cool beans.:lovin: I love that saga.

[semijuggalo]

T2 influenced Toriyama-San for the Android Saga? Cool beans.:lovin: I love that saga.

More like T1 influenced the Androids Saga.

[Wellman]

I prefer Super Buu to Kid Buu.

Kid Buu was a savage that killed everything in his path, Super Buu was the first one to basically come to Kami's look out, then while bored eliminated most of the world's population, like he was playing Duck hunt without the damn dog.

[Batman77]

Here's a little bit of trivia...

According to Trunks, the Androids appeared on May 12th. However, when you watch Terminator 1 again, notice that Kyle Reese was sent back to May 12th, 1984.

Coincidence? I think not. Especially, when you think about Trunks's filler flashback, which featured him walking through a rundown building, occupied by crying women and children, as well as men sporting Capsule Corp. jackets and swords. Can you say "human resistance base scene"? It even ends with #17 and #18 barging in and shooting up the place!

Well, #17 only fired off a single shot from a handgun, but you get the idea.

Anyway, my point is that Terminator was obviously a big influence on Toriyama when creating the Androids Saga.

:lol: well that's a good wait no great movie to take ideas from so I'm not bothered at all if he did take the idea from it :tup:

as for Kid Buu although it makes no sense how you get Kid Buu from super buu :rofl: but thinnking back on it that part of the saga was cool b/c it was straight to the point but it took way to long to get to something like that. I do like the fact that vegeta couldn't beat him but kept coming at him like a savage. But wat I don't like is Goku beating him w/ the spirit bomb b/c by that time I just got tired of him using that on just about every major villain b/c by then it was just played out and it takes way too long to do.

that's another reason why I like the android/cell saga better b/c goku doesn't beat cell or finishes him off, heck I don't think Goku beat anybody for that whole season :lol: giving others like piccolo and tein and gohan and others a chance to shine :cool:

[Shade]

I loved GT, but more so the latter half when the fighting kicked in. SSJ4 design > Yellow haired variations of the same shit for SSJ1-3.

Also, them Dragons were awesome.

[Batman77]

:lol:so wat's the next DBZ game to come out? and when does it come out? :smile:

[ReggieHadoken]

My fav saga could be the Android/Cell Saga. Goku was outta of action for a while so we got to see some other characters shine like Piccolo beasting on first stage Cell, the AWESOME Piccolo vs. 17 fight (which should be airing on Toonami very soon) and Tien held off 2nd stage Cell so 16 and 18 could escape. And then you've got Gohan in SS2 form beating the crap out of the Cell Jrs. without even trying.

Speaking of Gohan in SS2 form, I know Goku coached Gohan with his Kamehameha beam battle with Cell. Now it normally takes two hands to do the Kamehameha Wave but Gohan did it with one hand. I've been wondering, did Goku actually help him shoot off the beam or was he merely there in spirit for support? Either way, that scene was freaking dope.

My fav DBZ movies:

History of Trunks: This movie really does a great job of showing just how messed up Trunks' future really was. And one handed Gohan was a beast. That last fight he had against 17 & 18 was awesome. In vol. 17 of the DBZ manga (which as someone already state, is where this movie originated), Trunks was already a Super Saiyan. I thought it was better in the movie that it took the sight of Gohan's lifeless body to awaken Trunks' Super Saiyan powers.

Broly: Legendary Super Saiyan: Starts off slow but it picks up when Broly goes insane. 4 Super Saiyans and a Super Namek couldn't handle him. That scene where Broly is charging and kicks Piccolo aside like a beach ball is drop. And I can't forget when he took Goku's Kamehameha at point blank range was like "The eff was that?"

Bojack Unbound: Bojack and his crew were RUTHLESS!! They have no sense of honor and will easily gang up on Gohan and his friends. I actually think this is my fav movie. Gohan going SS2 and easily offing two of Bojack's flunkies was awesome.

[TS]

I think it was a more spirit thing.

[semijuggalo]

Yeah, those movies are great, especially the Bojack movie! The fight between Tien and Trunks was pretty awesome and Reggie's right...... Bojack and his crew were fuckin' hardcore! Since the movie takes place sometime after the Cell Games, the movie could've been considered canon, if not for one thing: How in the hell did Bojack know about Goku?! Unless he could hear Gohan communicating with him from Other World, I'd chalk that up as sloppy writing.

I was glad to see the movie on DVD, because the fansubbed version I DL'ed from Kazaa a long time ago, while decent, was apparently lacking in visual quality. What I mean is that I never noticed when Gohan and Bojack rushed each other down through the explosion caused by their final blasts. Makes sense, because I always wondered how Bojack wound up behind Gohan when he died.

World's Strongest is another one of my absolute favorite DBZ movies. I would like Tree Of Might better, if not for the fact that the Z-Fighters were USELESS in the movie. Even Piccolo got fuckin' jobbed in that movie! Turles blasted his ass THREE separate times! Lord Slug was good, because...

-Goku gets the piss stomped out of him
-It was cool seeing him ransform into a proto-Super Saiyan
-proto-SS wears off and he gets stomped some more
-Piccolo saves the day

[ReggieHadoken]

Yeah, those movies are great, especially the Bojack movie! The fight between Tien and Trunks was pretty awesome and Reggie's right...... Bojack and his crew were fuckin' hardcore! Since the movie takes place sometime after the Cell Games, the movie could've been considered canon, if not for one thing: How in the hell did Bojack know about Goku?! Unless he could hear Gohan communicating with him from Other World, I'd chalk that up as sloppy writing.

I was glad to see the movie on DVD, because the fansubbed version I DL'ed from Kazaa a long time ago, while decent, was apparently lacking in visual quality. What I mean is that I never noticed when Gohan and Bojack rushed each other down through the explosion caused by their final blasts. Makes sense, because I always wondered how Bojack wound up behind Gohan when he died.

World's Strongest is another one of my absolute favorite DBZ movies. I would like Tree Of Might better, if not for the fact that the Z-Fighters were USELESS in the movie. Even Piccolo got fuckin' jobbed in that movie! Turles blasted his ass THREE separate times! Lord Slug was good, because...

-Goku gets the piss stomped out of him
-It was cool seeing him ransform into a proto-Super Saiyan
-proto-SS wears off and he gets stomped some more
-Piccolo saves the day

I've never seen World's Stronest or Tree of Might. Gotta check those out.

Lord Slug was DOPE!! I hear some fans didn't like it. After seeing it, I don't know why they were complaining. Everyone got some time in the spot light. Goku & Krillin using Kamehamehas, Piccolo totally owning one of Lord Slug's goons (even broke his arm), Gohan own some guards, and Goku.... well does what he always does.

Super Android 13 was another good DBZ movie.

[TS]

Lord Slug fight ending also had a little homage to the end of the 1st Piccolo fight in DB which was cool. Definitely my favorite DBZ movie, but I've only seen like 3 of them, and Piccolo is my favorite character.

[Wellman]

:lol:so wat's the next DBZ game to come out? and when does it come out? :smile:

DBZ: Budakai Tenkaichi 3 or DBZ: Sparking Meteor. Don't know when, but probably on PS2 and Wii.

[{PFH}-Lake]

anyone ever play dbz hyper dimension? that was one of the best fighters ive played, even though im sure that game is broken as hell.

[Alzarath]

hyper dimension's good.

edit: haha, I found a quick combovid (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P5YaLbKiAXA&mode=related&search=) for Goku. Not rly a Goku player (prefer Vegetto/Gohan), but this isn't bad imo~

[PsychoSquall]

http://desirecampbell.com/toyble_DBAF_01-51.zip pages 1-51
http://www.sendspace.com/file/vkbb2i pages 52-57

http://blog.livedoor.jp/toyble/archives/50795179.html Brolly as SS5.. sweet

[semijuggalo]

I recently saw the Bojack movie again and I forgot how much I loved that one. It was especially good, because it started out pretty lighthearted, but once Trunks, Gohan, Krillin and Doskoi are announced for the tourney finals, everything starts going to shit and the REAL asskicking begins.

Plus, the movie provides the viewers with a very important reminder.....

Don't fuck with SS2 Gohan or you will be kicked in two and exploded!

[fjf314]

anyone ever play dbz hyper dimension? that was one of the best fighters ive played, even though im sure that game is broken as hell.

I loved that game. I'll never forget the day that my friend imported it and we spent hours hacking the tabs out of his SNES so that we could play it. We were both really scrubby, so the fact that it was broken didn't really make a difference. Damn, now I want to play that game again. The only thing that I preferred in the older DBZ fighters for the SNES were the beam clashes where both players just had to mash like crazy to see who would win, that was just too much fun.

[The Epidemic]

Does anyone know when season 3 will be coming out? I wanna see frieza rape everyone

[BBCampbell]

I wanna see frieza rape everyone

You know how I know you're gay?

[sexy back ver 2]

The series should have ended after the Frieza saga. IMO, anything exceeding Super Saiyan is overkill.

Goku: I will fight you now Vegeta. I will turn Super Saiyan!
Vegeta: Oh yeah? I will turn Super Saiyan 2!
Goku: No wait, let me turn Super Saiyan 3!
Vegeta: Hold up, I need some random machine from my wife to help me turn Super Saiyan 4?

Moot.

[goodm0urning]

The DBZ movies are generally awful, but there are a few great ones. Movie 12 is unusually comedic for a DBZ flick, and there is one moment with Vegeta that is priceless. Movie 13 is the only one that has much in the way of a story.

Sorry for referring to them by numbers, but I can never keep their names straight.

[The Epidemic]

You know I'm gay

huh?

The series should have ended after the Frieza saga. IMO, anything exceeding Super Saiyan is overkill.

Moot.

I agree, but i dont mind the android/cell arc tho....but, everything after frieza wasnt as good imo

[BBCampbell]

You know I'm gay?

huh?

...I see what you did there...

[Rhio2k]

I loved that game. I'll never forget the day that my friend imported it and we spent hours hacking the tabs out of his SNES so that we could play it. We were both really scrubby,

We could tell THAT just by the fact that it took you hours to do something that should take less than 3 minutes...:rofl:

[Shadow Ace 50]

All Im saying is that they could have made a new series based off the Future Trunks Saga...I mean if any of you played Dbz: shin budokai 2 another road it was a good story but was taken in the wrong direction..look at it like this

-include movie villians as regular villians

-two new sayins (trunks's sons)

-Videl and hercule still alive....Videl training to be the strongest human..

-hyperbolic time chamber is still up

- Majin buu can be the first season villian

- Supreme Kai is still alive


throw in some ex characters and what not, a few touch ups here and there...use the animation from the buokai 3 game and you got yourself a semi-solid sries

[fjf314]

We could tell THAT just by the fact that it took you hours to do something that should take less than 3 minutes...:rofl:

We treated that like it was brain surgery, we were so worried we were going to somehow destroy the SNES or something ridiculous. :lol:

[The Epidemic]

All Im saying is that they could have made a new series based off the Future Trunks Saga...I mean if any of you played Dbz: shin budokai 2 another road it was a good story but was taken in the wrong direction..look at it like this

-include movie villians as regular villians

-two new sayins (trunks's sons)

-Videl and hercule still alive....Videl training to be the strongest human..

-hyperbolic time chamber is still up

- Majin buu can be the first season villian

- Supreme Kai is still alive


throw in some ex characters and what not, a few touch ups here and there...use the animation from the buokai 3 game and you got yourself a semi-solid sries

-videl will never be stronger than yamcha, kurrin or tien....not matter how hard she trains

[Shadow Ace 50]

-videl will never be stronger than yamcha, kurrin or tien....not matter how hard she trains

and why not? im sure she can train just as hard as they did...I was going to rule out the theory of the hyperbolic time chamber she her body would get ripped to shreds but that can be over looked...



what do you think? Is that a great idea for a side series?

[Brutal-R]

Does sound good. How would Majin Buu play out? Would we see Super Buu and Kid Buu or would it just be Majin Buu (considering that Super Vegeta couldn't destroy M.Buu and Trunks is not as powerful, unless he builds up his power over the saga).

[Tat guy]

The DBZ movies are generally awful, but there are a few great ones. Movie 12 is unusually comedic for a DBZ flick, and there is one moment with Vegeta that is priceless. Movie 13 is the only one that has much in the way of a story.

Sorry for referring to them by numbers, but I can never keep their names straight.


Broly movies were pretty good. . .the third was trash, but they had run out of ideas for him anyways. . Still get goosebumps whenever I see him go SSJ for the first time, and start beastin everyone. . .

The Garlic Jr. one was decent since it actually came back,and made the only filler arc for DBZ. . .even if the way he came back made almost no sense. . .

Bardock movie I always like. .. there was something epic about it. . .

Trunks movie. . .had super badass grown Gohan. . .not emo pussy Gohan. . .that alone was enough

Super Andriod 13:made no sense to me at all. ..but the voice actor for the english movie was too good. . .

Bojack. . .really just didn't feel it. . .

Cooler movies.. . .. first one I liked the end fight. . and the whole Cooler realizing he was to blame for his family's death. . Metal Cooler was baddass. . .but the movie sucked. .

Janemba . . .. funniest movie and the Hilter cameo was just too fucking good. . .

[DanSC]

toriyama need to work on dbz again, his other mangas after dbz sucks..he can still come up with story after DBGT storyline, like lets say after everyone die included goku, the earth is in danger again, many people got killed by invaders but theres no one strong to save the earth, so king yama have to bring back the crew back to life to save the earth and we have a brand new dbz!

[Shadow Ace 50]

Does sound good. How would Majin Buu play out? Would we see Super Buu and Kid Buu or would it just be Majin Buu (considering that Super Vegeta couldn't destroy M.Buu and Trunks is not as powerful, unless he builds up his power over the saga).

well..just like the original majin buu saga.. fat buu is all destroying crap and trunks tells him he is to strong to be controlled by a talking bug (red ribbon redneck) majin buu kills him and is free......then hercule befriends buu and the killing stops...heres the twist...instead of buu creating evil buu he stays the same throughout the series....until that one movie with everyone from hell coming back..

thats all I got so far

[Brutal-R]

well..just like the original majin buu saga.. fat buu is all destroying crap and trunks tells him he is to strong to be controlled by a talking bug (red ribbon redneck) majin buu kills him and is free......then hercule befriends buu and the killing stops...heres the twist...instead of buu creating evil buu he stays the same throughout the series....until that one movie with everyone from hell coming back..

thats all I got so far

So far so good. :tup:

[AKUMA2000]

I love the Cell saga, think its the best of all.

[goodm0urning]

toriyama need to work on dbz again, his other mangas after dbz sucks..he can still come up with story after DBGT storyline, like lets say after everyone die included goku, the earth is in danger again, many people got killed by invaders but theres no one strong to save the earth, so king yama have to bring back the crew back to life to save the earth and we have a brand new dbz!Why would he? He wanted to end it with Goku defeating Freeza and dying on Namek. He was persuaded to stay on, and he eventually bowed out at the end of Z. They made the TV-only GT without basing it on his comics, and it was a monumental step down in quality from Z.

After penning 42 volumes of Dragon Ball and having the creative direction pretty much constantly fucked with, why would Toriyama ever want to return to the franchise?

[DanSC]

Why would he? He wanted to end it with Goku defeating Freeza and dying on Namek. He was persuaded to stay on, and he eventually bowed out at the end of Z. They made the TV-only GT without basing it on his comics, and it was a monumental step down in quality from Z.

After penning 42 volumes of Dragon Ball and having the creative direction pretty much constantly fucked with, why would Toriyama ever want to return to the franchise?

because first, he only good a db/dbz, and second i want more DBZ dammit (with more earth characters involve)!

[Shadow Ace 50]

because first, he only good a db/dbz, and second i want more DBZ dammit (with more earth characters involve)!

It can be done...but it wont be in his vision and old school dbz veterans will hate it...but a new dbz series can be made though

[Wellman]

A new Dragon Ball is possible, but you would have to either start it from the ground up again, a la Gundam different universes, or have it start years in the future after everyone is dead , again a la Gundam.

But I doubt many people are willing to try and top Dragon Ball after the huge failure that was GT. Besides most of the good creators that grew up on DB are making their own series anyway, like Naruto, One Piece or Bleach.

[BBCampbell]

because first, he only good a db/dbz, and second i want more DBZ dammit (with more earth characters involve)!

Easy fanboy, calm down...

We all like DBZ, but if you're getting so worked up that you can't make complete, coherent sentences, you need a time out. Go ouside, take a deep breath, go have a taco! :tup:

[The Epidemic]

Easy fanboy, calm down...

We all like DBZ, but if you're getting so worked up that you can't make complete, coherent sentences, you need a time out. Go ouside, take a deep breath, go have a taco! :tup:

:lol:

[scentless]

because first, he only good a db/dbz, and second i want more DBZ dammit (with more earth characters involve)!

What??? Did you ever watch/read Dr. Slump??? or any of the others Toriyama works??????? How can you say DB is his only good work...pffffff :xeye::xeye::xeye:

[ReggieHadoken]

Watching more of Season Two of DBZ. Zarbon transformed and Vegeta's facial expression that was like "OH SNAPS!!!!!" Man, that beating was BRUTAL!! I actually cringed while it was going on. Zarbon beasted on Vegeta like he owed him money that was way past due.

Guru just unlokced Krillin's hidden power. I always wondered how much of it did he unlock. Couldn't have been all of it since he did train for 3 years for the coming of the Androids.

Season Three of DBZ should come out in the fall of this year or so. I read on wiki that FUNi plans to release all of DBZ in season boxed set form. Good for me since I've yet to collect the Buu Saga.

[fjf314]

Wow... I hadn't even thought about ever buying DBZ just because it's so long. I didn't realize that the box set for each season was only $45 on AnimeNation. I think I'm going to have to buy these. Especially when reading about Vegeta taking on Zarbon... that fight was epic.

[Rhio2k]

Guru just unlokced Krillin's hidden power. I always wondered how much of it did he unlock. Couldn't have been all of it since he did train for 3 years for the coming of the Androids.



I'm thinking that he unlocked Kuririn's ability to REACH his hidden power, as well as give him a nudge beyond his current level. Then again, the series was supposed to end with Freeza's death, so *shrug*

[The Epidemic]

Wow... I hadn't even thought about ever buying DBZ just because it's so long. I didn't realize that the box set for each season was only $45 on AnimeNation. I think I'm going to have to buy these. Especially when reading about Vegeta taking on Zarbon... that fight was epic.

its 35$ at best buy...

[Phobos]

Master Roshi was always my fav. Always looking for hot ladies :cool:

[Hydra632]

Just out of curiousity, whatever happened to the website planetnamek.com , seemed like it used to be to the place for DBZ info back in the day.

[blackman34]

:lol: you know I read it all and it still doesn't make full sense. I knew about this info before but no matter how hard I try it doesn't make sense. you pretty much have to use the terminator 3 excuse of "it just happens" and leave the explanation and reasoning out the window :lol:

in the final volume of dbz they said that kid buu was the originnal buu and he absorbed the kais and the last kai he absorbed was fat and kind and before that, buu was was a cold blooded killer and bibidi was able to control him

in japan i think there making a dbaf manga

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KtSiqZBrNNc <---Goku's been through a hell of a lot of voice changes.

vegeta says knock you out lol-http://youtube.com/watch?v=LsC4NOWQepk

sabat explaining voices-http://youtube.com/watch?v=qTJAEQ2lLng

dbzthe only anime with great english dubbing

[Autocrat1]

dbzthe only anime with great english dubbing
Full Metal Alchemist and Cowboy Bebop would like a word with you.

[Million]

So Vegeta vs. Zarbon is on the 2nd DVD set? That will take priority with me then....ah, well the whole Saiyan saga was nice too....I'm not sure which one I want first. I have to get both.

Zarbon = possibly the best "2nd tier" badguy ever.

[Autocrat1]

Zarbon = possibly the best "2nd tier" badguy ever.
Captain Ginyu would like a word with you.

Oh yeah I went there.

[white shadow]

Full Metal Alchemist and Cowboy Bebop would like a word with you.

After hearing both the dub and sub of Full Metal Alchemist I can't imagine Edward any other way other than the dub version.

Same with Spike from Cowboy Bebop.

[Rhio2k]

dbzthe only anime with great english dubbing

The fuck YOU smoking?? The dubbing in dbz is some of the worst I've ever heard and the fight scenes all sound like angry gay sex. The voices don't fit the characters at all...unlike Cowboy Bebop, Wolf's Rain, Fullmetal Alchemist, and countless other anime.

[skitz]

Broli is my Role Model.If I was a powerful sayian I would blow up planets too.

That's all I wanted to say in this thread.Have a nice day.

[fjf314]

Just out of curiousity, whatever happened to the website planetnamek.com , seemed like it used to be to the place for DBZ info back in the day.

I was actually just wondering about that, too. I used to love that site, I would always go there to read through the synopsis of the series back in the day when Toonami only played up until before Goku arrived on Namek and I wanted to know what happened in the rest of the series.

[white shadow]

Captain Ginyu would like a word with you.

Oh yeah I went there.

"My name's Recoome it rhymes with doom and you'll be hurtin' all too soon!"


RECOOME KABOOM!!

[Autocrat1]

^ :rofl:
The fuck YOU smoking?? The dubbing in dbz is some of the worst I've ever heard and the fight scenes all sound like angry gay sex. The voices don't fit the characters at all...unlike Cowboy Bebop, Wolf's Rain, Fullmetal Alchemist, and countless other anime.
Best voices in DBZ Funi dub (IMO, compared to O.G. version)
-Vegeta
-17/18
-Perfect Cell (props for changing his voice per form, too)
-King Cold
-Super Buu
-Kid Buu
-Supreme Kai
-Trunks
-Raditz
-Zarbon
-Tien
-Chibi Trunks
-Broly
-Bardock
-Krillin (MONDO COOL!)

Worst voices in DBZ Funi dub
-King Kai
-Goku
-Ox King
-19 :wasted:
-Shemale Frieza (no homo)
-Everyone else

[goodm0urning]

in japan i think there making a dbaf mangaDebunked. Welcome to 1999.

dbzthe only anime with great english dubbing...I'm going to go pray now.

[Spinning Beat]

Japanese Frieza>English Frieza

Japanese Frieza was one bad motherfucker. His voice be sendin' chills down my spine. Especially when he beat the shit out of Vegeta.

Is it me, or does Vegeta never participate in an actual fight? Either he outclasses the opponent or the opponent out classes him (exception to his battles with Goku). That's not a fight, thats a beating...lol

I lol'd @ Movie 13 when Vegeta came out flyin and get the shit smacked out of him. He was there for like 10 seconds.

[crazymasterhand]

I just watched the first 2 movies last night. Same thing happened to Krillin in World's Strongest (Thanks for the ending theme Rhio2k). At least Vegeta didn't get pissed on.

[Biolink]

Captain Ginyu would like a word with you.

Oh yeah I went there.

Ginyu was terrible.

That whole little saga with him switching bodies,I was like DAMN WHEN WILL THIS SHIT BE OVER.

There was little stuff happening during that period,and you were just hoping that it wouldn't take too long for Goku to get his body back.

[Spinning Beat]

Ginyu was terrible.

That whole little saga with him switching bodies,I was like DAMN WHEN WILL THIS SHIT BE OVER.

There was little stuff happening during that period,and you were just hoping that it wouldn't take too long for Goku to get his body back.

I agree with this guy. Ginyu was the dumbest member of the entire squad. Guldo was the most pointless. Burter was the ugliest, but ok as a character. Jiece was the homo. Recoome was the win.

[ReggieHadoken]

Million, get both uncut DBZ Season 1-2 DVDs. You can get each at Best Buy for less than $40 I believe. Vegeta Saga is dope. Nappa vs. Everyone was just too good. Namek & Ginyu Sagas are included on Season Two uncut set. Man, Vegeta does a lot of beasting on this set. Kiwi, Dadoria, Zarbon, all killed by the prince of all Saiyans.

Funny you guys started talking about the Ginyu Force. I just got to eps with those guys. Saw the fight between Krillin, Gohan vs. Guldo. Guldo looked like he was gonna pee his uniform. Just when he was about to off Krillin & Gohan, Vegeta kicks off his head.

My fav member of the Ginyu Force was easily Reccome.

[Wolfkiller]

Ginyu was pimp as shit when he had the old voice. After the change though, he sounded like a tool. Damn, reminds me of my AOL DBZ role playing fighting we used to do. Most of the cool characters were taken so I picked Ginyu. EZW for life, hahaha....

[goodm0urning]

Japanese Frieza>English Frieza Somebody rep this guy. The Japanese Freeza is a damn good performance. The perfect mix of wit and cruelty, very chilling. Both versions of the American Freeza (pardon, "Frieza") sound like an old woman with emphysema.

Japanese Dragon Ball always had a top tier voice cast. The originally dubbed Z episodes had a few terribly miscast roles, but at least the actors were pro (and sometimes led to unintentional comedy, in the case of Brian "It's over nine THOUSAND" Drummond). When FUNimation started dubbing in-house, the voice actors were almost all shit.

[Wellman]

Ginyu was pimp as shit when he had the old voice. After the change though, he sounded like a tool. Damn, reminds me of my AOL DBZ role playing fighting we used to do. Most of the cool characters were taken so I picked Ginyu. EZW for life, hahaha....

So true.

I was all hyped for Ginyu vs. Goku at first, then the voices changed and I found out he did that lame body swap thing. It only occurred to me, later that the entire thing was just filler.

[Spinning Beat]

Somebody rep this guy. The Japanese Freeza is a damn good performance. The perfect mix of wit and cruelty, very chilling. Both versions of the American Freeza (pardon, "Frieza") sound like an old woman with emphysema.

English Freiza sounded like he wanted to molest little boys. Thanks to the dub, I thought Frieza was a chick. Thanks a lot funimation!

[Kusanagi02]

Million, get both uncut DBZ Season 1-2 DVDs. You can get each at Best Buy for less than $40 I believe. Vegeta Saga is dope. Nappa vs. Everyone was just too good. Namek & Ginyu Sagas are included on Season Two uncut set. Man, Vegeta does a lot of beasting on this set. Kiwi, Dadoria, Zarbon, all killed by the prince of all Saiyans.

Funny you guys started talking about the Ginyu Force. I just got to eps with those guys. Saw the fight between Krillin, Gohan vs. Guldo. Guldo looked like he was gonna pee his uniform. Just when he was about to off Krillin & Gohan, Vegeta kicks off his head.

My fav member of the Ginyu Force was easily Reccome.

Guldo damn near shitted himself when Gohan and Krillian powered up. Even with his time powers he almost got peaced out by those two but i like the fact that Vegeta decapitated his ass.

[hawaiigamer142]

Man, back in the day...
I was really into the Frieza saga. I remember it scared the shit out of me when 2nd Form Frieza impaled Krillin with his horn in an instant. I'm pretty sure my heart skipped a beat for the poor bald man.

[Spinning Beat]

Man, back in the day...
I was really into the Frieza saga. I remember it scared the shit out of me when 2nd Form Frieza impaled Krillin with his horn in an instant. I'm pretty sure my heart skipped a beat for the poor bald man.

If you only saw the TV version, it's way worse in the manga and on the uncut DVD's

[Autocrat1]

If you only saw the TV version, it's way worse in the manga and on the uncut DVD's
I WANNA TAKE YOU FOR A RIDE

[Wolfkiller]

English Freiza sounded like he wanted to molest little boys. Thanks to the dub, I thought Frieza was a chick. Thanks a lot funimation!

Haha! Me too! There was a part where Krillin and Gohan are peeking over a hill watching Freiza and the crew, and Krillin starts acting all suprised. I thought he was gonna say "Freiza is a woman?!?!" or something. I don't remember what was actually said, but the way it built it up it made it sound like it was going to reveal that, to me anyways.

[Rhio2k]

I WANNA TAKE YOU FOR A RIDE

YOU'VE GOT A HEARTACHE

[ReggieHadoken]

I've always thought Ginyu was a loser. I've just never liked the guy, regardless of who did his voice. Even though the Body Switch ability was interesting. Still, the way Ginyu was, I've just never liked him.

I'm watching the ep where Vegeta fights Recoome. Man, Recoome is a beast. Dude just makes light of all of Vegeta's attacks. Vegeta launches several attacks on him, finishes off with an energy blast. Smoke clears. Recoome is doing one of those gay poses and says "Hi." Scene cracked me up. It was funny how he fired off his Eraser Gun and Krillin kicked him in the head, forcing him to clamp his mouth shut. When Recoome turns around, he's missing quiet a few teeth.

Man, uncut DBZ is just too good.

Too bad those sucky newer Transformers cartoons will be on this Saturday on Toonami. Means they won't air the fight between Piccolo & 17 til next week. That fight is only 2 eps long, but man it is a dope fight. They should just scrap Crap-Oh-GX! from the lineup and air an our of uncut DBZ. But since I have the DVDs of the Piccolo vs. 17 fight, I can just pop those in and enjoy it all over again.:cool:

[semijuggalo]

It was funny how he fired off his Eraser Gun and Krillin kicked him in the head, forcing him to clamp his mouth shut. When Recoome turns around, he's missing quiet a few teeth.

Don't forget that it came out of his freaking nose, too.

[The Epidemic]

Somebody rep this guy. The Japanese Freeza is a damn good performance. The perfect mix of wit and cruelty, very chilling. Both versions of the American Freeza (pardon, "Frieza") sound like an old woman with emphysema.

Japanese Dragon Ball always had a top tier voice cast. The originally dubbed Z episodes had a few terribly miscast roles, but at least the actors were pro (and sometimes led to unintentional comedy, in the case of Brian "It's over nine THOUSAND" Drummond). When FUNimation started dubbing in-house, the voice actors were almost all shit.

yea...u only listen to frieza in japanese...and its actually a male voice actor.

[ReggieHadoken]

I got out my Incomplete Cell Saga DVDs and watched the fight between Piccol & 17. Couldn't wait for it to air on CN any longer. Been a long while since I saw that fight. My word, that fight was full of so much beasting. I saw that fight after only being a fan of DBZ for only about a year and it blew me away. Even today, that fight is DOPE!! The manga version of that fight is good but the anime version totally owns it.

16: That's not Piccolo!
17: What?!

*Beat down begins!!!*

Anyone remember the technique Goku used to knock Chi-Chi outta bounds in the Tournament in Dragon Ball? He just punched the air and knocked her out of the ring! Man, that was some dope stuff and after Dragon Ball, we never saw it again!!!

Speaking of regular DB, I really liked the fight between Goku & Tien before Goku fought Piccolo. Tien improved a lot but not enough to where he could really match Goku. But still, it was one of my fav fights in OG DB.

Speaking of OG DB, did anyone else think General Blue was gay? In the manga, Krillin & Bulma joke about him being gay. Seemed like he was to me.

[Lucretz]

Anyone remember the technique Goku used to knock Chi-Chi outta bounds in the Tournament in Dragon Ball? He just punched the air and knocked her out of the ring! Man, that was some dope stuff and after Dragon Ball, we never saw it again!!!


Was that the same technique he used against the Ogre in Hell during the sumo match-up after falling off Snake Way?

God, I hate Dragonball Z. >.<

[The Epidemic]

My boy Magnetic Itachi thinks that Piccolo should be respected in the series for being intelligent and good fighter. He thinks that if he had vegetas power level, that he would be the better fighter. My boy also thinks that piccolo was as strong as a super sayain level 2 towards the end of dbz (which i think is bull-shit)

We always argue about this because i think Piccolo is garbage. I know for a fact that piccolo's pl couldnt have been as high as a ss2 because he got fuckin spat on by Dabura. I dont get why he even likes piccolo....what has he ever accomplished??

So basically is Piccolo wack? Yes or No (and say why)

[eddymasta]

My boy Magnetic Itachi thinks that Piccolo should be respected in the series for being intelligent and good fighter. He thinks that if he had vegetas power level, that he would be the better fighter. My boy also thinks that piccolo was as strong as a super sayain level 2 towards the end of dbz (which i think is bull-shit)

We always argue about this because i think Piccolo is garbage. I know for a fact that piccolo's pl couldnt have been as high as a ss2 because he got fuckin spat on by Dabura. I dont get why he even likes piccolo....what has he ever accomplished??

So basically is Piccolo wack? Yes or No (and say why)

Piccolo is awesome imo. They really do seem to depict him as one of the smarter fighters in the series.

[Alzarath]

Piccolo fucking rapes.

[white shadow]

So basically is Piccolo wack? Yes or No (and say why)

Piccolo is Akira Toriyama's favorite character, nuff said.

[Clear Sky]

Haha! Me too! There was a part where Krillin and Gohan are peeking over a hill watching Freiza and the crew, and Krillin starts acting all suprised. I thought he was gonna say "Freiza is a woman?!?!" or something. I don't remember what was actually said, but the way it built it up it made it sound like it was going to reveal that, to me anyways.

That was pretty horrible, when that Namek kid was about to die by Freeza the first time. One of the most annoying grunting scenes I've endured for this show.

[The Epidemic]

Piccolo fucking rapes.

he had one good fight imo...and that was 17. He got spat on by Dabura....spat on guys.

[ReggieHadoken]

he had one good fight imo...and that was 17. He got spat on by Dabura....spat on guys.

Piccolo got jobbed like so many other characters in Z. By the Buu Saga, if you weren't a Saiyan or half-Saiyan, you were worthless.

I also loved Piccolo's fight with Goku in OG Dragon Ball. Both fights with Piccolo's father in Piccolo were freaking insane.

[PsychoSquall]

I liked when he fused with Nails to fight Frieza. But of course he was still no match. And then he fused with Kami to become a Super Namek, lol. He was owning Cell for a while.

[GC!?]

Didn't Piccolo have much more worth at the end of DB and beginning of DBZ? His last true triumphant match was with 17, yes, but you should look into his entire history. Gohan respected the hell out of him, probably just as much as his own father.

He probably wasnt ever SSJ2 powerful, but he wasn't THAT weak. I think he was stronger then any human (even Tien), but FAR below the saiyans, like everyone else.

[ReggieHadoken]

Didn't Piccolo have much more worth at the end of DB and beginning of DBZ? His last true triumphant match was with 17, yes, but you should look into his entire history. Gohan respected the hell out of him, probably just as much as his own father.

He probably wasnt ever SSJ2 powerful, but he wasn't THAT weak. I think he was stronger then any human (even Tien), but FAR below the saiyans, like everyone else.

QFT.

Gohan had mad respect for Piccolo. He even wore the same clothing as him for a long time.

At one point he was the strongest fighter in the series when he fused with Kami. Guru (the Namekian who made all the other Nameks) said that if Kami and Piccolo were never split up, he never would have lost to Nappa & Vegeta when they first attacked Earth. So Kamilo must have been one bad mofo before he split in two. Of course when they reunited, Piccolo had surpassed Kami by leaps and bounds so that just made their union that much stronger.

[PsychoSquall]

New Ginyu Force

[Shukuda]

New Ginyu Force

Oh snaps. Rocking.:lol:

[BBCampbell]

Season 3 (Freeza saga) boxset came out this week.

Right now, I'm enjoying the longest 5 minutes ever.


Also, it seems that FUNimation has started throwing around "The Next Dimension" again... :bluu:

[The Epidemic]

yea i bought it yesterday...frieza was too pimp. im gonna stop buying them at cell prolly.

[locoghoul]

Piccolo got jobbed like so many other characters in Z. By the Buu Saga, if you weren't a Saiyan or half-Saiyan, you were worthless.


I never liked the way they tuned down Piccolo. I mean he used to be the second strongest character, then they introduced Vegeta, then Trunks appeared. When they fought the androids and Piccolo fused with Kami he surpassed all Saiyans but was still tied with 17. BUT Vegeta trained one year on the time room and suddenly he is not only waaay better than Piccolo and the androids but even stronger than Cell lvl 2.... Then Piccolo ALSO went to the time room but after that he never kept up with the Saiyans. It seems really unfair to me.

Same thing happened to Uub in GT. It is supposed that Uub has the same power than Kid Buu, i mean he is really strong (lvl 3 Super Saiyan strong). Yet in GT he is almost useless and even when he fuse with Majin Buu to form Super Uub he stills beat no one.

BTW the best villain to me was Broly.

[Wellman]

Brolly, dude was greatness. If I could rewrite DBZ, I'd scrap the last quarter of Buu Saga and would have just had everyone fight against Brolly as the final fight.

Frieza despite being suspect as well with the woman's voice at first, was the first unstoppable badass that every DBZ villian since has jocked with the multiple transformations. That and his bull transformation was badass.

Cell gets plenty of love and is definately a monster in many ways, but I still put him below Frieza, because he literally jocks/homages/is inspired by every major villian before him. That and the whole blowing up and reviving from one cell in a fucking minute was bullshit.

[TS]

Get the last volume of Dragon Ball on DVD if you, for some insane reason, doubt how tight Piccolo is.

And at the end of the Cell Games saga, Piccolo wasn't much weaker than the Saiyans. It was like:

-Gohan
-Perfect Cell/Goku
-Vegeta/Trunks/Piccolo
-Humans
-trees and shit

-Mr. Satan/Hercule.


I didn't really see most of the Cell Games stuff in the anime, but in the manga I don't remember Vegeta/Trunks proving to be any better than Piccolo...? Cell 2 > non-Saiyans and Vegeta > Cell 2, but in the mean time, wasn't Piccolo powering up?

[BBCampbell]

For some reason, I can't seem to find the Dragon Ball boxsets that FUNimation released some time ago...

Although, I'm sure that as soon as FUNi gets the rights to release Season 1 in the US, DB won't be so hard to find...

Though I do have the manga...

Interestingly, after reading the whole DB story, DBZ was put into a new perspective.

[goodm0urning]

Also, it seems that FUNimation has started throwing around "The Next Dimension" again... :bluu:Wait, what? I haven't picked up the third set yet. Is "the next dimension" in the dubs or the Japanese with subtitles? Both?

[scum gale 88]

I was thinking of getting the frieza box set but then I saw that one little thing that killed it for me "awesome new widescreen format!". huh? Im not paying for it when they cut off the top and bottom of the screen

[Spinning Beat]

New Ginyu Force

:rofl::rofl:

That shit is funny cause no way vega would bring himself do some shit like that

[goodm0urning]

I was thinking of getting the frieza box set but then I saw that one little thing that killed it for me "awesome new widescreen format!". huh? Im not paying for it when they cut off the top and bottom of the screenI thought I would hate it, but it is honestly not that bad. The picture quality is brilliant, once you get used to the new aspect ratio.

[ReggieHadoken]

Interestingly, after reading the whole DB story, DBZ was put into a new perspective.

Truth. I've got all of the DB/DBZ manga and after readind DB and then Z, it puts a new spin on things. Sometime, I plan to read all 42 books of the series again and see DB and then all of DBZ (except Garlic Jr. That Saga was full of faggotry.)

Despite the fact that Freeza was the first bad mofo in Z, I still favor Cell over him and I loved his intricate time travel plot. And the Cell vs. Goku fight = DOPE.

Broly was pimp. One of my fav scenes in the first Broly movie is when he uses a ki blast no bigger than the size of a beach ball. Blows up these little alien's planet that can be seen from the planet they're on. That was such an "OH SNAP, SON!!" moment. :rofl:

I've got season 1-2 of DBZ uncut. Awesome stuff. I need to pick up season 3. Goku going Super Saiyan for the first time was freaking amazing. Being a dub fan, I do think it is a nice feature to be able to watch the dub with the Japanese audio. Of course I outisde of the specials songs in the series such as Cha La, I really can't stand the Japanese DBZ score. Just seems so unfitting for DBZ for me. But when Gohan goes SS2, the Japanese track that plys during that scene cannot be beat.

I just may pick up DBZ: Budokai Tenkichi 3. They've got Arale (Dr. Slump) as a playable character. Now if they'll just put Beelzebub (Sandland) and Neko Majin (Neko Makjin) in there, I'll be a happy camper.

[Million]

ah, apparently the older dvds are still out there after all....I just ordered one off amazon. I had to have those old voices(Zarbon in particular) and music back. The music from the newer "Uncut" era of DBZ is far worse than anything Falconer ever did. Perhaps when I have a load of free time, I'll even cut the old music and voices into the newer uncut version of certain episodes I love, resulting in the perfect version of DBZ, imo.

Of course...I still see the DBGT dvds all over the place, because nobody wanted that bullshit.

*Tenkaichi 3 is coming soon on Nintendo *Revolution*: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JrsHnzKxA90 It will have online play, folks.

[Figcoinc]

I am surely going to pick up this entire series one day. Except GT...GT is pure garbage.

Though I really haven't watch most of Dragonball the original one. I saw some of it but never saw the Goku vs. Piccolo fights.

[Spinning Beat]

*Tenkaichi 3 is coming soon on Nintendo *Revolution*: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JrsHnzKxA90 It will have online play, folks.

Future Gohan=I came

[goodm0urning]

Wait, what? I haven't picked up the third set yet. Is "the next dimension" in the dubs or the Japanese with subtitles? Both?Anyone? Beuller?

[jae hoon]

Man I still think Future Trunks would bitch slap Chibi Trunks for being such a mook.

[Spinning Beat]

Man I still think Future Trunks would bitch slap Chibi Trunks for being such a mook.

Still can't believe Chibi Trunks grew up to be such a douche

[{PFH}-Lake]

I think you would to if everyone was telling you what to do all the time 24/7

[BBCampbell]

Anyone? Beuller?

Dubs.

Also, what's the point of DBZ:Budokai Tenkaichi 3?

It's just BT2 + a handful of new characters, mostly from DB.

Though being able to play as Namu owns.

I might get it, but only because I don't have any DB games other than Dragon Power (the first DB game for NES).


EDIT: Also, while being able to hear the dub with the Japanese score instead of suffering through Bruce Falconer chewing on a keyboard for the BGM is top tier, fuck FUNimation for not putting Head Cha-La on that track. They've got it on the Japanese audio, and the generic BGM over the visuals is lame. I mean, at least play "Rock the Dragon" over it (which I actually liked. "Dragon, Dragon, Rock the Dragon, Dragon Ball Z!!! Dragon, Dragon, Rock the Dragon, Come.. get... ME!!!")

[jae hoon]

I seem to be the only one who cant stand to listen to the Japanese voices for the characters. I seriously like the dubbed version better. The japanese voices are so awful and dont fit any of the characters at all.

[kyored]

I love the Ocean dud eps up to when funimation came in and F' up the script and most of the voices.

[Biolink]

Earth and Namek Vegeta were the truth.

It's amazing how much he changed

[Geese Pants]

Scott McNiel was a fuckin beast as Piccolo..........

[Biolink]

His voice was awesome.

Is DBZ one of the few shows where the Dub actually is better than Subbed?

DBZ had fucking awesome VA's.

[The Green Trench Coat]

New Ginyu Force

loving zangief's pose.


*drool*

[Million]

^heh, people that actually agree with me on this voice actor issue....I'm honestly surprised. I checked out the "Zarbon's Surprise!" episode yesterday on the season 2 collection, and yeah....new Zarbon voice was completely inferior to that Dobson "badass aussie" sound. Also, Vegeta was still on his old voice at that time. I don't think it became the current voice until the Ginyu force appeared.

[Rooks4]

Im shocked any of you can stomach the dubbed voices... they are terrible.

I suppose I should understand - my wife HATES reading subtitles, which is the reason she asks me to watched dubbed versions of anything that I get off netflix or download... But then, she complains that the anime is childish and dumb. Bah.

DBZ was the WIN in japanese.. the music is better, the voices are more natural.. everything just fits better.. I havn't seen the entire Ocean Dub, but the android voices in those clips posted earlier were atrocious.. Vegeta seemed somewhat legit, but Krils voice and Gohans were VERY lousy IMO...

And don't get me started on Funimation's dub.. that's some of the worst shit on the planet, not to mention they cut out all the blood and edited a TON of the clips to be more 'kid-friendly.' They ruined the series.

[DarthTrey]

Im shocked any of you can stomach the dubbed voices... they are terrible.

I suppose I should understand - my wife HATES reading subtitles, which is the reason she asks me to watched dubbed versions of anything that I get off netflix or download... But then, she complains that the anime is childish and dumb. Bah.

DBZ was the WIN in japanese.. the music is better, the voices are more natural.. everything just fits better.. I havn't seen the entire Ocean Dub, but the android voices in those clips posted earlier were atrocious.. Vegeta seemed somewhat legit, but Krils voice and Gohans were VERY lousy IMO...

And don't get me started on Funimation's dub.. that's some of the worst shit on the planet, not to mention they cut out all the blood and edited a TON of the clips to be more 'kid-friendly.' They ruined the series.

I agree with everything you just said, and I watched the entire series in english FIRST!!!


The only thing that ever bothered me about the japanese version of it was baby gohans cries, but they pissed me off in the american version as well so I think it evens that part out.


Japanese Goku > American Goku.

[TrunksSS3]

just bought DBZ season 1,2,3 =]

[goodm0urning]

The Japanese version is unquestionably superior to the American hack job, and that includes the voices. The one merit that the Ocean Group voices have is that they're professionals who at least tried to invest some personality in the characters. FUNimation's in-house VAs sound amateurish in comparison. The Japanese VAs ARE the characters.

I love the Ocean dud eps up to when funimation came in and F' up the script and most of the voices.FUNimation fucked up the script all along. There is not a single fully intact line between the Japanese version and the American version in the history of the dub. Early on, it was at least passably close, but later on it strayed so far. Ridiculous.

[The Epidemic]

Only voice in Japanese that mattered was frieza's....the dub is fine with me. I didnt like vegetas raspy voice tho...or the fact that Piccolo sounds like a monster in the dub.

[TS]

Japanese Goku > American Goku.

Not really. In terms of voice acting and nuance, I think the Japanese VA was better, but the actual voice wasn't really as good. Now, some of the Goku stuff (specifially the stuff from the Cartoon Network era dub) was wooden and took some getting used to, but it got better as the show progressed. The real problem was dialogue changes which made you get a different feel from the characters than the JP version, which I thought was better.

I mentioned the last volume of Dragon Ball on DVD a day or two ago, and that's a good example. If turn on English voices but still keep the subtitles on, you can see a lot of changes in dialogue that took place which sort of appeal to kids/fanboys. And they don't really have any sort of respect for dramatic silence. Every moment of eerie silence with background music, or just a pause in speach is filled with panting or gasps or filler words, because I guess 3 seconds without somebody talking is craziness. It's feels a little dumbed-down. The same applies to DBZ.

I like the Japanese music better- not a big fan of Head Cha-la or the ending song, though I did like the ending sequences, and they beat the Cartoon Network dub music just because they were awful. The CN dub music (different from the Ocean Group dub) had its moments, I remember Babidi having some weird Black-Sabbath-sounding synth music which I liked, but generally the Japanese background music is better.

Voice acting is a case-by-case thing. Japanese Frieza and Perfect Cell I liked better, the rest are sort of a toss-up, IMO.

[TrunksSS3]

the american vegita theme is good also

[GC!?]

I personally liked the English dub of DBZ..I thought Vegeta and Piccolo's voice were right on the mark.


I mentioned the last volume of Dragon Ball on DVD a day or two ago, and that's a good example. If turn on English voices but still keep the subtitles on, you can see a lot of changes in dialogue that took place which sort of appeal to kids/fanboys. And they don't really have any sort of respect for dramatic silence. Every moment of eerie silence with background music, or just a pause in speach is filled with panting or gasps or filler words, because I guess 3 seconds without somebody talking is craziness. It's feels a little dumbed-down. The same applies to DBZ.

I like the Japanese music better- not a big fan of Head Cha-la or the ending song, though I did like the ending sequences, and they beat the Cartoon Network dub music just because they were awful. The CN dub music (different from the Ocean Group dub) had its moments, I remember Babidi having some weird Black-Sabbath-sounding synth music which I liked, but generally the Japanese background music is better.

Voice acting is a case-by-case thing. Japanese Frieza and Perfect Cell I liked better, the rest are sort of a toss-up, IMO.

I hated the fact they always had music playing in the English version of Z..it ruined the Android 16 speech to Gohan. :\ Lack of Unmei no Hi made it worse.

The English version had some pretty okay music IMO..Vegeta's theme, Gohan fighting Frieza, Heroic Trunks. There was also this one song that was never released by Faulconer that played when Goku was going to sacrifice himself and teleport Cell away from Earth. Sounded like a dramatic version of Trunks' song.

Japanese Cell was voiced by the legendary Norio Wakamoto, which is instant win.

[TrunksSS3]

am i the only one who likes gokus jap-voice?

[ReggieHadoken]

I seem to be the only one who cant stand to listen to the Japanese voices for the characters. I seriously like the dubbed version better. The japanese voices are so awful and dont fit any of the characters at all.

I don't hate the Japanese voices but I really prefer to watch my anime dubbed because I can't stand reading subtitles when I'm watching anime. I don't mind Goku's voice in Japanese but when the woman starts screaming "KAMEHAMEHA," my ears bleed. I don't care what anyone says, I think she sounds freaking awful. I also don't care of Arika Toriyama picked these VAs. Doesn't mean I have to like them.

[white shadow]

I don't hate the Japanese voices but I really prefer to watch my anime dubbed because I can't stand reading subtitles when I'm watching anime. I don't mind Goku's voice in Japanese but when the woman starts screaming "KAMEHAMEHA," my ears bleed. I don't care what anyone says, I think she sounds freaking awful. I also don't care of Arika Toriyama picked these VAs. Doesn't mean I have to like them.

Agreed. :tdown:

KAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA A

MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE EEEEEEEEEEEE

HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAA

MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE EEEEEEEEEEE

HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA A!!!!!!!!!!!!

:wasted:

[tindiamond]

Anyone ever watched DBZ in spanish? It's awesome!

[locoghoul]

Anyone ever watched DBZ in spanish? It's awesome!

:rolleyes:

Seriously is a good dub, vegeta´s , piccolo´s and cell´s voice are really great.

[tindiamond]

:rolleyes:

Seriously is a good dub, vegeta´s , piccolo´s and cell´s voice are really great.

Yeah they are.

[DarthTrey]

My favorite scene in the series is when Gohan goes lvl 2 against perfect cell.

Imo the butchered by having gohan talk(btw hate that fucking voice >_<)

The japanese version where they have the music playing conveys the moment when he snaps and is about to go ape shit on everything much better imo.

To me that is one of easiest example to use in comparison to what I think of the two versions.

[Rooks4]

^^ Great scene to compare and show why the Japanese Original is far, far, far superior to any of the garbage dubs in America. I know reading subtitles sucks for some of you out there, but watch these episodes in both formats and you'll see hands down why Subbed is the ONLY way to watch.

[Shinkuu Tatsumaki]

am i the only one who likes gokus jap-voice?

No, I like it too. Majority of all Japanese voices are better than American ones. They just fit more. Well, Kenshins voice in Rurouni Kenshin was sort of childish in the Japanese version.

Goku's VA was a girl btw.

Anyways... DBZ = One of the best animes of all time. Yes, even with the cliche powerups, but DBZ was like the first to have that, that's why it is so good. Every other anime after that is just like "Blah".

The Japanese music was much better as well. Their soundtracks pwn. Like the opening... "WE GOT POWER!" lol... But man that was such a long time ago... How nostalgic.

[TrunksSS3]

No, I like it too. Majority of all Japanese voices are better than American ones. They just fit more. Well, Kenshins voice in Rurouni Kenshin was sort of childish in the Japanese version.

Goku's VA was a girl btw.

Anyways... DBZ = One of the best animes of all time. Yes, even with the cliche powerups, but DBZ was like the first to have that, that's why it is so good. Every other anime after that is just like "Blah".

The Japanese music was much better as well. Their soundtracks pwn. Like the opening... "WE GOT POWER!" lol... But man that was such a long time ago... How nostalgic.

the japanese music IS way better , but for some reason i like the GT music better than the Z music

[white shadow]

^^ Great scene to compare and show why the Japanese Original is far, far, far superior to any of the garbage dubs in America.

I was actually awed the first time I saw it in Japanese. Esp. when Piccolo (his real dad) was like "Gohan!" :wow:

[kyored]

anyone know where I can find the Ocean dub dvds up to the namek saga..

[Dan?]

Don't know how I missed this thread.

Ocean dubs, for me, are kinda mixed. I love them because Vegeta's voice is perfect. I hate them because just about every other voice is better in the Funimation cast.

I have no problem watching subs. They generally are, on the whole, better. However, with dubs you get hilarious quotables, and that's something I can't pass up.

[goodm0urning]

am i the only one who likes gokus jap-voice?No. The American voices are workable, but the Japanese voice perfectly captures the character.

For those who don't know, the actress--Masako Nozawa--also plays Gohan (all versions) and Goten. Fun trivia factoid.

[DarthTrey]

I was actually awed the first time I saw it in Japanese. Esp. when Piccolo (his real dad) was like "Gohan!" :wow:

not gonna lie when i watched in japanese, i went all native american with the single tear. no homo

[PsychoSquall]

*Tenkaichi 3 is coming soon on Nintendo *Revolution*: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JrsHnzKxA90 It will have online play, folks.

That was hype. I know it's just Tenkaichi 2 with some new characters and features, but I love that song.

I enjoy both the english and japanese dubs. They both have qualities that I like, but I prefer the japanese music way more.

[Raiko]

Which version of the DVDs has the Japanese language with no subtitles option?

[BBCampbell]

Sometime, I plan to read all 42 books of the series again and see DB and then all of DBZ (except Garlic Jr. That Saga was full of faggotry.)

Truth.

I hope FUNimation puts the Garlic Jr. saga in a separate set so I don't have to own it.

I wouldn't even care if they put the Garlic Jr. Saga as Season 4. I mean, every so often, I'd be admiring my collection and then I'd notice that I don't have Season 4 and get upset.

"What the fuck was I thinking? I don't have Season 4!"

And then I'd remember what Season 4 was (ugh, the "Spice Boys"...) and I'd congratulate myself on my exquisite judgement.

[Rhio2k]

I just had a thought. You all know Son Gohan was a beast around the Cell and Buu sagas...imagine how much MORE badass he'd be if he had been trained in the Kame Sennin style instead of Piccolo's undisciplined style...he'd basically be a second Son Goku, but with his own moveset.

[goodm0urning]

I just had a thought. You all know Son Gohan was a beast around the Cell and Buu sagas...imagine how much MORE badass he'd be if he had been trained in the Kame Sennin style instead of Piccolo's undisciplined style...he'd basically be a second Son Goku, but with his own moveset.Piccolo is hardly undisciplined. His style is different, but also effective. Goku has the upper hand because the story demands that he always attains a ridiculous amount of power in order to save the day in the nick of time.

Remember, Kamesennin himself was outclassed before DBZ even began.

[BBCampbell]

Yes, don't forget that Goku was also trained by Karin and Kami.

Plus, King Kai in DBZ.

[TS]

Esp. when Piccolo (his real dad)

Hahahaha.

[Autocrat1]

Hahahaha.
It's the truth - Goku is a horrible father. If DBZ was real life, Chi-Chi would be all up in his ass for that child support.


Goku: But honey, I gotta save the world from this maniac Broly!

Chi-Chi: I. DON'T. CAAARE! Gohan needs money for college and I can't help him if you're out all night with that damn midget, that human tree and all your other gangbangers! AND HOW COME YOU DON'T KNOW HOW TO DRIVE?!?!

Jury: Ooooooooooooo!

Judge Mathis: YOU DON'T KNOW HOW TO DRIVE?! ALL HELL NO, JUDGMENT TO THE PLANTIFF!

[Rhio2k]

Judge Mathis: YOU DON'T KNOW HOW TO DRIVE?! ALL HELL NO, JUDGMENT TO THE DEFENDANT!

Oh heyell *fuck* naw....that's just how that shit would go down, too...

[goodm0urning]

It's the truth - Goku is a horrible father. If DBZ was real life, Chi-Chi would be all up in his ass for that child support.


Goku: But honey, I gotta save the world from this maniac Broly!

Chi-Chi: I. DON'T. CAAARE! Gohan needs money for college and I can't help him if you're out all night with that damn midget, that human tree and all your other gangbangers! AND HOW COME YOU DON'T KNOW HOW TO DRIVE?!?!

Jury: Ooooooooooooo!

Judge Mathis: YOU DON'T KNOW HOW TO DRIVE?! ALL HELL NO, JUDGMENT TO THE DEFENDANT!Never mind the time he busted Chichi in the mouth so hard that she went through the wall and into a tree.

[Autocrat1]

....I meant to say Plantiff but whatever :lol:

Yeah he pimp smacked the shit out of Chi-Chi that time. I was like "Damn, you probably Super Saiyan the fuck outta yo nutz in her mouf too"

[scum gale 88]

No. The American voices are workable, but the Japanese voice perfectly captures the character.

For those who don't know, the actress--Masako Nozawa--also plays Gohan (all versions) and Goten. Fun trivia factoid.

not to mention several characters in digimon I believe.
dukemon ftw

[Spinning Beat]

Judge Mathis: YOU DON'T KNOW HOW TO DRIVE?! AWW HELL NAWL, JUDGMENT TO THE PLANTIFF!

fix'd

[Rooks4]

Gohan did and would have continued to be more powerful than Son Goku if he would have continued to train.. The problem was he stopped for College because Chi-Chi was a stupid bitch and thought that being a badass on a universal level was < being earth-smart.

Dumb bitch fucked it up!

I really wish they would continue the series.. I still havn't watched GT, but I heard it was rather butchered and wasn't written by Toriyama anyways, so it doesn't "really count." (is that true? I can't remember anymore..)

I remember there was all those rumors about DB-RT or some shit like that which was supposed to be a new series, but it was all bullshit and never panned out. I suppose it's good that Toriyama doesn't want to whore/milk the series (nevermind all those video games they release), but it's such a great cast of characters and stuff..

Oh by the way - anyone remmeber the Quake Mod a long time ago that was being developed based on DBZ called BidForPower? It looked so fucking awesome, and I believe when the rights to DBZ were sold to ... VIZ? Or whoever owns it in the US? They totally shut them down and the whole thing died out =/ Too bad....

And PlanetNamek.com was the shit - too bad it's long gone.

[Holy Knight]

Did it die out? I just remembered they had to pretty much rename and alter some skins on the models. I just assumed they kept all the other stuff the same.

[Million]

yeah, I was on the Bid for Power forums. That place was one of the most annoying forums in the history of the internet. It was hell to be there on a 56k connection due to them apparently having no limit on signatures....some people had whole fight scenes animated in flash or something, and embedded into their "sig"....or the sig was big enough to nearly be a desktop wallpaper, or sometimes it actually had sound effects....terrible. Imagine trying to load a page on 56k at the time, with 90% of the members having that kind of nonsense going on.

I became more and more annoyed with these people, as they were the typical DBZ fans that give most anime "geeks" such a bad name(*always permanently latched onto Japan's cock, going on and on like anything from japan, especially anime....can do no wrong, as it is perfect and magical, and if you "accidentally" use the reasonable-sounding "Krillin" instead of "KUILLLIILILILILILIIUEELLLIEILIILIULILUIULUILUILGHN" absurdity, you're just some "stupid dubbie", etc. etc. etc. I truly hate these types of people.) Heh, the real shame of being a DBZ fan sometimes.....is realizing what kind of other people are typically in the fandom. Back in the days when it was "cool" to hate the show, it almost made one want to be "in the closet" about liking DBZ.

...oh and yeah,they had to change all names and appearances of characters. Also, the game was taking forever to come out, and I didn't even have a PC/Windows machine anyway....so I eventually just gave up on it. Fast forward to now, and we finally have legitimately released good DBZ games with Supersonic Warriors from GBA and the Tenkaichis.(*I wasn't much of a fan of Budokai)

-I still think Goku is such a stupid-looking goofball of a character, and he is quite annoying. It's odd/interesting when you enjoy a show, but hate the main character. Since DBZ was the first case of this situation for me, I've dubbed this "DBZ Syndrome", or "Goku Syndrome". Naruto suffers the same problem....great, entertaining show....but the main character is an annoying little shit, and every other character on there is much more cool and interesting.

[DarthTrey]

Ahh the good ole days of planetnamek.com


I surfed the shit out of that website in high school.

You can still get the Bid For power with the DBZ characters and it's quite a lot of fun if you are lanning with friends.

In regards to DB:GT, Toriyama had nothing to do with it but has been quoted to say that it was the "general direction" that he would have taken the series. Overall its not EXTREMELY BAD, has some good fights. If you look past some of the ridiculousness of the plot its enjoyable at least, and the animation is really good as well.

[TrunksSS3]

No. The American voices are workable, but the Japanese voice perfectly captures the character.

For those who don't know, the actress--Masako Nozawa--also plays Gohan (all versions) and Goten. Fun trivia factoid.

i do like his american voice also, just that i like the japanese one better....



random question:goku said that when he frist turned SSJ3 vs Majin Buu (fat buu) he could have beat him.... does anyone esle think that was true?

[Lvl.3]

DBZ should have ended after the cell saga, IMo anyway. Basically Gohan unleashing his "hidden power", thus being the strongest.

Also, I remember thinking in the Buu saga, where was Buu in the future/android saga?

[locoghoul]

Gohan did and would have continued to be more powerful than Son Goku if he would have continued to train.. The problem was he stopped for College because Chi-Chi was a stupid bitch and thought that being a badass on a universal level was < being earth-smart.


[QUOTE=Lvl.3;4336671]DBZ should have ended after the cell saga, IMo anyway. Basically Gohan unleashing his "hidden power", thus being the strongest. /QUOTE]


QFT

Ever since the begginning of DBZ Gohan always had this "hidden power" which was greater than Goku, Piccolo (at that time) and later Vegeta. Cell saga woulda been a perfect ending considering DBZ was all about Gohan (same way DB was all about Goku, his growth, level up, etc). Sadly, most of the fans still saw Goku as the leading character and hence the impro (imo) Buu saga. I liked SSJ3 but there are a few flaws in the Buu´s saga plot. Gohan did become stronger than anyone and he coulda been the strongest had he trained properly. Hell, even in the Buu saga he was more powerful than Vegeta (he raped Buu while Vegeta got owned by fat Buu) and i would say almost as powerful as Goku.

[BBCampbell]

As we all know, Toriyama wanted to end DBZ after the Freeza saga, but due to pressure from the fans, he made more.

Actually though, I really haven't seen any DBZ after the Freeza saga and I've only seen the first 3 movies.

[DarthTrey]

Mystic Gohan was slightly below SSJ3 Goku in the power ratings actually.

One thing that really bothered me was how he got fucked over fighting Super Buu.

Seeing as how Buu was at his most powerful state when he had absorbed Gohan(strong enough to kick Vegeto's ass.)

In short Gohan == Greatest anime bad ass ever(when he's not going to school like a bitch(/ignore saiyaman saga)

[AKUMA2000]

It's the truth - Goku is a horrible father. If DBZ was real life, Chi-Chi would be all up in his ass for that child support.


Goku: But honey, I gotta save the world from this maniac Broly!

Chi-Chi: I. DON'T. CAAARE! Gohan needs money for college and I can't help him if you're out all night with that damn midget, that human tree and all your other gangbangers! AND HOW COME YOU DON'T KNOW HOW TO DRIVE?!?!

Jury: Ooooooooooooo!

Judge Mathis: YOU DON'T KNOW HOW TO DRIVE?! ALL HELL NO, JUDGMENT TO THE PLANTIFF!

:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

1-800-get-child-support

[goodm0urning]

random question:goku said that when he frist turned SSJ3 vs Majin Buu (fat buu) he could have beat him.... does anyone esle think that was true?Depends. He certainly had the power, but problem #1: he was slow, and problem #2: he can't sustain the form too long. Not being fast enough to stop Buu before losing power would be a bitch.

Mystic Gohan was slightly below SSJ3 Goku in the power ratings actually.Forget anything having to do with battle powers. They don't mean dick after the Freeza saga. The bottom line is, SSJ level 3 was Goku pushing himself too far. Gohan (Mystic level, or whatever you want to call it) wasn't even close to tapping his full potential, because if he did, the planet would just fall apart beneath his feet.

Goku is the better warrior, but Gohan easily harbors more power.

[locoghoul]

One of the things i´ve heard that annoys a lot of ppl is the fact that SSJ3 Goku never beat anyone (at least in the series).

[DarthTrey]

I never liked SSJ3 looks,

The long hair just looks stupid to me.....


SSJ2 Teen Gohan is seriously the most bad ass looking SSJ form EVAR

[True Grave]

There's plenty of clips of the Ocean dub on YouTube. I've heard stories about an alternate English dub that continued to use the Ocean Studios voice actors, but I've never found any until YouTube came along. Well, all the stories are true, but this alternate dub ended up recycling background music from that crappy old Mega Man cartoon!

Anyway, here's some clips.

Super Buu arrives at Kami's Lookout (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ebXGCWqo9s)

Vegeta self-destructs against Majin Buu (Brian Drummond as Vegeta) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7TYxS8pyWE)

Android #18 owns Vegeta (WARNING: Extremely sucky Trunks voice ahead) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IY01lcIpsRA) - FACT: #18 is voiced by that black chick from House of the Dead. Don't believe me? Go check imdb!

The Androids discuss how they monitored Goku (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMz7bTazA2Q)

Vegeta vs. #19 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f5Kzl-SQyYg) - They can't use words involving death in the show, so Vegeta can't say "Never say die!"

Wow that ocean dub sucks!

First off Scott Mcneil i thought only voiced piccalo in the early DBZ episodes, had no idea he continued far past it. Yeah Mcneil is a GOOD V.A don't get me wrong, but he is NOT suited for piccalo. The Funimation guy who does the voice totally nails it.

Same for Brian drummond, vegeta just loses all his asskickery under that voice. The funimation vegeta OWNS his EASILY.

Also the funimation music had its issues but for the most part it did quite well to "pump up" action scenes, like vegeta's theme(with the bells). Whatever crap Ocean used in the Vegeta Vs #19 fight, totally had zero "kick" to it and that fight just lost its whole edge.

Only good thing to say is i liked android 18's ocean dub voice. Oh and trunks was lousy too.

[ReggieHadoken]

SSJ2 Teen Gohan is seriously the most bad ass looking SSJ form EVAR



TRUTH!! In the DBZ manga vol. 18, there's this one page spread of Gohan in his SS2 form. Dude looks like the baddest mofo in all of DBZ. :nunchuck::cool::rock:

[True Grave]

Yeah gohan never was into fighting, so he didn't go all out until he was mega-pissed.

[DarthTrey]

I had honestly forgotten how bad ass the old vegeta voice is. All I haven't liked any of the english piccolo voices that I've heard though....


also.. why the hell is krillin annoying no matter what language they use?

I just found a new love for Brian Drummond.
...no homo....

[goodm0urning]

Wow that ocean dub sucks!

First off Scott Mcneil i thought only voiced piccalo in the early DBZ episodes, had no idea he continued far past it. Yeah Mcneil is a GOOD V.A don't get me wrong, but he is NOT suited for piccalo. The Funimation guy who does the voice totally nails it.

Same for Brian drummond, vegeta just loses all his asskickery under that voice. The funimation vegeta OWNS his EASILY.Funimation uses the same voice actor for both Piccolo and Vegeta, as well as something like 27 other characters (not kidding). He is good at two things: making them all sound the same, and making them all sound constipated.

[DarthTrey]

Funimation uses the same voice actor for both Piccolo and Vegeta, as well as something like 27 other characters (not kidding). He is good at two things: making them all sound the same, and making them all sound constipated.

He also makes them sound like they are growling all the time... kind of annoying imo.....

[white shadow]

I never liked SSJ3 looks,


I still want my SSJ3 Raditz!!!

[Autocrat1]

Funimation uses the same voice actor for both Piccolo and Vegeta, as well as something like 27 other characters (not kidding). He is good at two things: making them all sound the same, and making them all sound constipated.
Christopher Sabat. Also did Yamcha, 60% of the Ginyu Force (Burter, Jeice and Recoome), and even voiced MY NIGGA MR. FUCKING POPO :mad: :mad: :mad:

Go play Budokai 3 again. Kame - from the practice mode - sounds just like Vegeta as a senior citizen. Same with The Elder Namek. Obviously, Chris voiced them too.

He's like that anime-whore-VA Steve Blum except he tries too hard instead of barely changing his voice.

[goodm0urning]

He's like that anime-whore-VA Steve Blum except he tries too hard instead of barely changing his voice.That's another thing: the American VAs are all affecting these ridiculous voices and accents. They're all very much "cartoon voices," like out of Looney Tunes. The Japanese VAs, more often than not, are using something close to their normal speaking voices, and it makes it sound much more natural. They use their own personal qualities and the traits inherent in the writing in order to give personalities to their characters. They don't get all screechy and annoying when it's time to play "old man," or grunty and growly when they have to play "bad guy." They just go for it.

Nozawa herself is one of the few actors who affects voices, but she's damn good at it, so she can get away with it. She doesn't make her roles sound like obviously false cartoon voices.

[TrunksSS3]

I never liked SSJ3 looks,

The long hair just looks stupid to me.....


SSJ2 Teen Gohan is seriously the most bad ass looking SSJ form EVAR

well SSJ2 gohan look bad ass ,but IMO i think goku SSJ2 with the electricity all over his body is bad ass also

so is SSJ4 goku

Depends. He certainly had the power, but problem #1: he was slow, and problem #2: he can't sustain the form too long. Not being fast enough to stop Buu before losing power would be a bitch.

.


but then again he was SSJ3 vs kid buu and he turned 3 times into SSJ3 , in the last fight

[Pained Auron]

brian drummond vegeta owns. i wish i could get the ocean dubs on dvd. instead i'm stuck with the funi dvds

[World Warrior]

random question:goku said that when he frist turned SSJ3 vs Majin Buu (fat buu) he could have beat him.... does anyone esle think that was true?

It was true. The only reason Son Goku didn't defeat him right then and there was because he felt that it was the next generation of earth's protectors turn to step up to the plate and do what needed to be done.

Most bad-ass thing about Son Goku is when he is fighting Kid Buu as Vegeta looks on and realizes that Goku is actually exceeding his own maximum power limitations and giving Kid Buu a challenge based solely on the fact that the fate of so many is riding on him.

[Wellman]

Mystic Gohan was slightly below SSJ3 Goku in the power ratings actually.

One thing that really bothered me was how he got fucked over fighting Super Buu.

Seeing as how Buu was at his most powerful state when he had absorbed Gohan(strong enough to kick Vegeto's ass.)

In short Gohan == Greatest anime bad ass ever(when he's not going to school like a bitch(/ignore saiyaman saga)

Didn't Vegeto actually let himself get absorbed to try to free the others?

God looking back there are too many damn mistakes in the Buu Saga. And mostly it deals with Goku and Buu being whored out over everyone else.

[The Invincible Swordsman]

When you guys says SSJ2 teen Gohan, which one do you mean? The one that fought Cell? I thought he was 10 years-old when he fought Cell.

I still think the coolest looking badasses where.......

#3 Cooler's Final Form (not the Android) I really liked the huge webbed feet.

#2 SSJ2 Gohan that fought Cell and Bojack. He had the lightning effect, all the hair going straight up, and he was pissed all the time.

#1 Super Vegeta. He was so diesel.


This has been THE INVINCIBLE SWORDSMAN saying:

Super Buu wasn't kicking Vegeto's ass that I remember. Unless you're talking about when Buu almost broke the time-space continuim or whatever the hell that was when he got pissed off. That was a worthless part of that fight BTW. I try not to remember it whenever I can.

[ReggieHadoken]

Galick Gun FIYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!:rofl: As hilarious as that old dub voice saying that line was, I prefer Christoper Sabat doing Vegeta. I also loved his work as Major Armstrong on Fullmetal Alchemist.

Gohan was 16 when he started going to high school acording to the manga so that would make him 9 when he killed Cell. FUNi just messed up the ages. Bulma said she knew Goku ever since he was 5. Again, FUNi messed it up. Goku met Bulma when he was 12.

I thought Toriyama-san was pretty lazy when it came to drawing Goku as a 15 y/o when he fought Demon King Piccolo in regular Dragon Ball. He looked exactly like he looked when he was 12. Same with Krillin. Just lazy.

Speaking of OG Dragon Ball, The King Piccolo Sagas were TIGHT!! King Piccolo was offing people like gangstas! Offed Chiaztu and he killed Shenron! I had no idea the dragon could be killed up until that point. And when I saw him kill him in the anime, my jaw hit the floor.

[white shadow]

#2 SSJ2 Gohan that fought Cell and Bojack. He had the lightning effect, all the hair going straight up, and he was pissed all the time.


One thing I always loved about SSJ2 (my favorite SSJ form) is that the hair chunks go straight root and aren't just random chunks of hair.


And the electricity effect too.

[TrueSephiroth]

Depends. He certainly had the power, but problem #1: he was slow, and problem #2: he can't sustain the form too long. Not being fast enough to stop Buu before losing power would be a bitch.

Forget anything having to do with battle powers. They don't mean dick after the Freeza saga. The bottom line is, SSJ level 3 was Goku pushing himself too far. Gohan (Mystic level, or whatever you want to call it) wasn't even close to tapping his full potential, because if he did, the planet would just fall apart beneath his feet.

Goku is the better warrior, but Gohan easily harbors more power.

I agree with you, Goku is the better Warrior, and Gohan definetly has more power potential then Goku. Also, if I'm not mistaken, Gohan in Mystic Mode is basically equivelant to SSJ3 but w/out losing tremendous energy, which is a huge advantage. Not to mention indeed, Gohan never truly tapped into this potential.

I'll be very honest, the DBZ characters are the most ridiculous characters I've ever seen, witnessed in any fashion. I mean, at their potentials now, they could literally wipe out the Universe 1000x over, it just got outrageous when Buu could literally teleport into the afterlife...so that meant that even in death, you could be in trouble...:rolleyes:.

However, I still love DB, was watching it since the 80's when I was a youngling, so it's for the kid me inside. Goku is still my favorite character in the series, not because he's always the "hero" but I just love his character, he's such a happy, yet unitelligent individual when it comes to academics, it makes him interesting as loveable as a protagonist.

The guy I feel bad for is Vegeta...poor guy, he tries the hardest out of anyone but seemingly can never surpass Goku :sad:

[DarthTrey]

When you guys says SSJ2 teen Gohan, which one do you mean? The one that fought Cell? I thought he was 10 years-old when he fought Cell.


Gohan was 11 when he emerged from the Hyperbolic Time chamber but he is referred to as Teen Gohan where as Gohan when he is in the Saiyaman saga and beyond is referred to as adult gohan.



Super Buu wasn't kicking Vegeto's ass that I remember. Unless you're talking about when Buu almost broke the time-space continuim or whatever the hell that was when he got pissed off. That wa