Is there a Dragon Ball Z thread? If not...

[Biolink]

Thnks :)

Did Vegita fight Recoome before or after Yamcha did?

[Spinning Beat]

Thnks :)

Did Vegita fight Recoome before or after Yamcha did?

Before, but that time Ginyu Force came to King Kai's planet wasnt cannon.

Anime filler

[Biolink]

Wow,that's some crazy stuff.

Is Yamcha the wakest of them all,because this guy is complete crap after Dragon Ball.I even wonder why he bothered wasting time training at Kami's lookout

[goodm0urning]

Before, but that time Ginyu Force came to King Kai's planet wasnt cannon.

Anime fillerCorrect. Toriyama never intended for the Ginyu Fighting Team to arrive on Kaio's planet, but the producers of the T.V. show occasionally wrote new shit in. They had to pad out the episodes so Toriyama would have time to crank out enough comics to give the show a steady supply of material.

The filler is usually just crap that's inconsequential to the storyline, but on occasion, it messes things up a little.

Wow,that's some crazy stuff.

Is Yamcha the wakest of them all,because this guy is complete crap after Dragon Ball.I even wonder why he bothered wasting time training at Kami's lookoutChaozu is the weakest physically, though he has strong mental abilities. Other than that, Yamucha is probably the weakest, but it's important to remember that he's still far beyond a normal human being. Particularly after training under Kami-sama, he's one of the strongest humans in the world, along with Tenshinhan and Kuririn (who is THE strongest human).

[Spinning Beat]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yCfKITe2gEY&feature=PlayList&p=8638255FA095DCB0&index=7

I nominate Android 19 for worst voice ever, I'm glad he got nuked by Vegeta. But this Vegeta isnt the same as namek Vegeta :(

[Lantis]

It's such a damn shame for Yamcha. He was also one of my favorites in DB (his fight with Tien in the second Tenkaichi Budokai still strikes me as a classic), but he gets peaced out by pretty much everyone in DBZ. Even the strongest human (Kuririn) gets punked like a little bitch quite often.

And why is it that in EVERY DBZ movie, Piccolo makes a badass entrance and then gets his ass kicked 10 seconds later? Kinda breaks his mojo. :sad:

[Biolink]

Kuririn/Krillen is awesome,and it does for whatever reason seem like Tien did more than Yamcha after Dragonball.Particularly his pesky solar flare(I believe that's the name).

And Vegeta really gave it to Android 19.


"I am the Prince of All Saiyans once again!"

Vegeta is one of the most egotistical motherfuckers known to anime.I remember on Namek when he became insanely stronger and went around claiming he was a Super Saiyan...Then Freiza owned him :/

[KnuckIfYouBuckley]

What's the name of the song that plays when Gohan turns SSJ2? And can anyone direct me to an mp3 for it?

I got Season 3 earlier in the week. I just started disc 5.

There's also a guy on Veoh who has every episode uploaded....so I'll be using that to tide me over until the other DVD sets get released...

For the people who are worried about Garlic Jr. getting it's own set, that won't happen, Season 4 is going to be Garlic Jr., Trunks & Androids sagas, according to Wikipedia.

[white shadow]

Chaozu is the weakest physically, though he has strong mental abilities. Other than that, Yamucha is probably the weakest, but it's important to remember that he's still far beyond a normal human being. Particularly after training under Kami-sama, he's one of the strongest humans in the world, along with Tenshinhan and Kuririn (who is THE strongest human).

The irony is that at the end of the Cell saga Krillin's power level was around the same as Frieza's in his final form... which was then considered insignificant.

Funny because that power level was able to destroy namek with ease.

I love this show.:rofl:

[goodm0urning]

What's the name of the song that plays when Gohan turns SSJ2? And can anyone direct me to an mp3 for it?"Unmei No Hi - Tamashii Tai Tamashii," by Hironobu Kageyama (same guy who sings "We Gotta Power," "Cha La Head Cha La," and tons of other DB songs).

The irony is that at the end of the Cell saga Krillin's power level was around the same as Frieza's in his final form... which was then considered insignificant.

Funny because that power level was able to destroy namek with ease.

I love this show.:rofl:As I've said before, battle power ratings are utterly inconsequential after the Freeza arc. Pay them no mind.

[Biolink]

That is crazy :rofl:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DuKTLKddd8A&feature=PlayList&p=8638255FA095DCB0&index=2

Why is Future Trunks so cool,and Present Trunks a Teen was a Mark ass bitch in comparison(Goten was even lamer).Chibi Trunks was actually pretty cool.He cheated and went Super Saiyan in the World Martial Arts Tournament :rofl:

Somebody that is CLEARLY following Dave Sirlin's instructions

[Spinning Beat]

That is crazy :rofl:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DuKTLKddd8A&feature=PlayList&p=8638255FA095DCB0&index=2

Why is Future Trunks so cool,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zC7zl1XLgUI

Cut that nigga in half

Pink Shirt Vegeta vs. Pink Sean, who wins?

[Biolink]

They both got dat Unbridled Negro Rage...But Vegeta doesn't suck soooooooooooooooo...

[Autocrat1]

And why is it that in EVERY DBZ movie, Piccolo makes a badass entrance and then gets his ass kicked 10 seconds later? Kinda breaks his mojo. :sad:
Getting his ass kicked in an understatement. I prefer the term "damn near sent to the 'next dimension'."

-Cooler movie: Turns around after fucking with Sauza and get immediately zapped in the chest by Cooler the same way Frieza did to him, then gets blasted some more. Best part about this scene, besides showing Cooler's badassery, was the perfect cue-in of that Drowning Pool song in the dub.

-Broly movie: Broly clotheslines the shit outta Gohan and Trunks at the same time, considering them filler since he actually had Piccolo's limp body on the ground as his primary target, causing him to understandably PUNT IT INTO THE AIR. THEN KI BLASTS HIM TO SPACE AND JESUS AND HOLY SHIT THIS NIGGA IS GANGSTA.

...and that's all I'll say for now.

[semijuggalo]

-Broly movie: Broly clotheslines the shit outta Gohan and Trunks at the same time, considering them filler since he actually had Piccolo's limp body on the ground as his primary target, causing him to understandably PUNT IT INTO THE AIR. THEN KI BLASTS HIM TO SPACE AND JESUS AND HOLY SHIT THIS NIGGA IS GANGSTA.

...and that's all I'll say for now.

Yeah, that was one of my favorite parts in that movie. There was not one break in Broly's stride, either.

[Wellman]

And why is it that in EVERY DBZ movie, Piccolo makes a badass entrance and then gets his ass kicked 10 seconds later? Kinda breaks his mojo. :sad:

It's cause the producers don't care about green people.

[Markudea]

Who whooped Goku's butt the worst?
- Kid Buu
- Cell
- Frieza
- Raditz

Who whooped Vegeta's butt the worst?
- Kid Buu
- Frieza
- Racoom
- Goku

Who whooped Piccolo's butt the worst?
- Frieza
- Nappa
- Raditz

[Pained Auron]

ssj2 gohan was fucking broken

[Markudea]

ssj2 gohan was fucking broken

Please, explain your reasons.

[ReggieHadoken]

Who whooped Vegeta's butt the worst?
- Kid Buu
- Frieza
- Racoom
- Goku



Man, Vegeta got pissed on sooooo many times in this series. But the worst beatings he ever took had to be at the hands of Freeza, Cell, and Kid Buu. For cryin' out loud, cops haven't owned anyone as hard as Vegeta got owned. Maybe Vegeta got screwed over so much because Toriyama said he didn't really like Vegeta, which I think sucks because he's probably the character that changes the most in the series along with Piccolo.

One of my fav scenes in the Season Two DVDs is when Jeice is talking and Goku just punches him in the face. Scrub starts crying like a little sissy. :rofl:

As for cool DBZ games, don't forget DBZ: Supersonic Warriors 1-2. These are some of the best DBZ games out there and the free flight system is dope. In the first Supersonic Warriors on the GBA, one of Freeza's special moves was BLOWING UP THE PLANET. Once the movie is done your opponent has exactly 1 minute to beat you before it's automatic GGPO, fool!

[Dan?]

One of the problems I had with DBZ was that, to be honest, I stopped caring about the villains after Frieza. Why? Simply because the wicked cool armor stopped being the norm. Dudes like Nappa, Raditz, OG Vegeta, Turles and his posse...all looked gangster.

All the other villains are just like fungi or whatever with goofy ears. Don't care.

[ckrazy]

Best Dragon Ball Z quote of all time

"You ain't nothing but a MONKEY!"

[Kusanagi02]

Man, Vegeta got pissed on sooooo many times in this series. But the worst beatings he ever took had to be at the hands of Freeza, Cell, and Kid Buu. For cryin' out loud, cops haven't owned anyone as hard as Vegeta got owned. Maybe Vegeta got screwed over so much because Toriyama said he didn't really like Vegeta, which I think sucks because he's probably the character that changes the most in the series along with Piccolo.

One of my fav scenes in the Season Two DVDs is when Jeice is talking and Goku just punches him in the face. Scrub starts crying like a little sissy. :rofl:

As for cool DBZ games, don't forget DBZ: Supersonic Warriors 1-2. These are some of the best DBZ games out there and the free flight system is dope. In the first Supersonic Warriors on the GBA, one of Freeza's special moves was BLOWING UP THE PLANET. Once the movie is done your opponent has exactly 1 minute to beat you before it's automatic GGPO, fool!

To be fair though the Racoome fight was to be expected. I mean hell Vegeta thought after taking out the Zarbon,Racoome would be a piece of cake not realizing that Racoome has that unbridled retard strength.

The Cell fight was his own damn fault. He could have EASILY put an end to it if he wasn't so cocky and let Cell absorb Android 18.

Don't remember the Kid Buu fight though. Only thing i remember was him watching Goku fight Kid Buu.

[BBCampbell]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yCfKITe2gEY&feature=PlayList&p=8638255FA095DCB0&index=7

I nominate Android 19 for worst voice ever, I'm glad he got nuked by Vegeta. But this Vegeta isnt the same as namek Vegeta :(

Actually, I kinda like this voice as it's all robotic sounding. He sounds like a lesser android, which is what he is.

[Worthless]

Who whooped Goku's butt the worst?
- Kid Buu
- Cell
- Frieza
- Raditz

Who whooped Vegeta's butt the worst?
- Kid Buu
- Frieza
- Racoom
- Goku

Who whooped Piccolo's butt the worst?
- Frieza
- Nappa
- Raditz

All the answers are Frieza.Most of the actual fist fighting outside of the Piccolo v #17 fight was pretty tame after Frieza Saga IMO(except for the Broly movies and #13 movie)

[The Invincible Swordsman]

I actually think Raditz beat Goku down the worst. It was never even at any point and Raditz didn't powerup or get stronger..... he just beat him down, didn't take any damage, and blocked his Kamehameha.

Frieze owned Vegeta the worst. It was pretty pathetic. Kinda like when Vegeta was so scared of Broly in the 1st Broly movie.

"Why are you even fighting? He's the Legendary Supersaiyan.........

He'll kill us all."


This has been THE INVINCIBLE SWORDSMAN saying:

I think Piccolo's worst ass-whooping was probably at the hands of Nappa. Everything Piccolo tried didn't work. And he killed him too.

[TS]

Piccolo vs Goku from the end of DB was an interesting fight because they both fucked each other up, but not in a landslide Broly sort of way. But they were basically both almost dead at the end of the fight.

[DarthTrey]

http://tv-links.co.uk/listings/3/1377

here is pretty much every episode, granted they are funi dubs, but tis better than nothing.



Also Freiza 3rd form looks retarded as fuck.

[tindiamond]

Piccolo vs Goku from the end of DB was an interesting fight because they both fucked each other up, but not in a landslide Broly sort of way. But they were basically both almost dead at the end of the fight.

That was one of my favorite fights ever. Fucken war.

[Geese Pants]

I still maintain that Goku vs Freezer was the most epic battle in DBZ.

Another thing............I still dislike that Piccolo and Vegita fuckin jobbed after the Freezer Saga. The worst Vegita jobbing IMO was that Bojack Movie.

Vegita made a fuckin badass entrance........then gets fuckin jobbed by Bojack. At least let him fuckin waste the two henchman on the roof he exploded.

Fuckin cripes.........

[white shadow]

I think the worst case of a cool entrance then being super owned was Tien vs Buu. Tien comes in all stylish with a grin, then in .03 seconds is eating gravel.

"Omigosh it's Tien, you've come to help"

*grins*

*assplodes*

[DarthTrey]

I find it funny how Tien, Yamacha, kuririn ect. constantly try to keep up with the saiyajins only to sit on the side lines and get their asses kick consistently(cell jr.'s anyone?)

[semijuggalo]

I still maintain that Goku vs Freezer was the most epic battle in DBZ.

Another thing............I still dislike that Piccolo and Vegita fuckin jobbed after the Freezer Saga. The worst Vegita jobbing IMO was that Bojack Movie.

Vegita made a fuckin badass entrance........then gets fuckin jobbed by Bojack. At least let him fuckin waste the two henchman on the roof he exploded.

Fuckin cripes.........
Well, at least Vegeta had a nice shootout sequence with Bojack before he got beat. Speaking of which, I think Bojack is the only DBZ character I've seen beat someone's ass while powering up at the same time! With each blow Bojack landed, his limbs were getting bigger and ripping out of his clothes!

[Dan?]

With each blow Bojack landed, his limbs were getting bigger and ripping out of his clothes.

Sounds like the start to a bad DBZ erotica fanfic.

Yeah, poor Z fighters, getting the crap kicked out of em. Course, my favorite characters were always Krillin, Piccolo, and Goku, and then pretty much anybody rocking the armor (except Gohan. Gohan with a bowlcut is the ONLY character capable of looking like a total douchetwit in space-ninja-armor), instead of, ya know Vegeta or Trunks, who are supposed to be so awesome, but still sucked compared to Goku.

[DarthTrey]

Sounds like the start to a bad DBZ erotica fanfic.

Yeah, poor Z fighters, getting the crap kicked out of em. Course, my favorite characters were always Krillin, Piccolo, and Goku, and then pretty much anybody rocking the armor (except Gohan. Gohan with a bowlcut is the ONLY character capable of looking like a total douchetwit in space-ninja-armor), instead of, ya know Vegeta or Trunks, who are supposed to be so awesome, but still sucked compared to Goku.


A lot of the time the reason they were less powerful was because they were always training for the wrong reasons, or training the wrong way.


Take for instance when they were training in the Hyperbolic time chamber. Trunks was focused entirely on becoming a USSJ ONLY beefing up his power level. Vegeta was sort of on the right track when he attempted to reach SSJ 2nd grade, but only goku realized that to master SSJ you had to be able to sustain it pretty much indefinably without having it affect your body or your mind. Little things like that are what really separate goku from the rest of the DBZ cast. He may seem like a simpleton but when it comes down to it, the fucker knows his shit when it comes to training and making himself stronger.

[Markudea]

A lot of the time the reason they were less powerful was because they were always training for the wrong reasons, or training the wrong way.


Take for instance when they were training in the Hyperbolic time chamber. Trunks was focused entirely on becoming a USSJ ONLY beefing up his power level. Vegeta was sort of on the right track when he attempted to reach SSJ 2nd grade, but only goku realized that to master SSJ you had to be able to sustain it pretty much indefinably without having it affect your body or your mind. Little things like that are what really separate goku from the rest of the DBZ cast. He may seem like a simpleton but when it comes down to it, the fucker knows his shit when it comes to training and making himself stronger.

While that's true, it's funny how the Prince of the Saiyans/Super Elite/S-Class Saiyan doesn't know how to train properly, but a 3rd rate subordinate of his does (that's bs). And to make things worse, outside of the battlefield, Vegeta really is highly intelligent person, while Goku only can show his geniusness while only on the battlefield and during training periods which, somehow, takes Vegeta a long period of time to understand or to even come close to Goku's power (more bs). Vegeta might as well be renamed "The Prince of Jobbers" which makes Piccolo the king.

[DarthTrey]

While that's true, it's funny how the Prince of the Saiyans/Super Elite/S-Class Saiyan doesn't know how to train properly, but a 3rd rate subordinate of his does (that's bs). And to make things worse, outside of the battlefield, Vegeta really is highly intelligent person, while Goku only can show his geniusness while only on the battlefield and during training periods which, somehow, takes Vegeta a long period of time to understand or to even come close to Goku's power (more bs).

But they also grew up in vastly different environments as well, Vegeta was a "slave" pretty much under frieza for most of his life and is more of a brawling type(hence his short temper), while goku was always trained under the likes of Turtle Hermit and King Kai(think "wise" old guys). I think that also has a lot to do with his approach to training.

[Markudea]

But they also grew up in vastly different environments as well, Vegeta was a "slave" pretty much under frieza for most of his life and is more of a brawling type(hence his short temper), while goku was always trained under the likes of Turtle Hermit and King Kai(think "wise" old guys). I think that also has a lot to do with his approach to training.

You have a point, but who's stronger? Master Roshi & King Kai or Frieza & King Vegeta?

[DarthTrey]

You have a point, but who's stronger? Master Roshi & King Kai or Frieza & King Vegeta?

Strength doesn't always come into factor when you are training someone else, just like coaches for most sports, while they may be excellent at teaching other people to play well, they may not be able to perform said action as well as their student.


Some examples of Vegeta's youth: if you go back to the flashbacks where King Vegeta was training prince Vegeta, he was always very condescending, also Frieza never trained him, merely employed him to do his bidding.

Granted we could argue this all day, but thats why I feel that goku was always stronger than the others, his heart was pure, he always trained for the "right" reasons, good tutelage as a youngster, and he was the main character. :sweat:

[Biolink]

Frieza is stronger than King Kai and Master Roshi,but King Kai and Master Roshi always wanted Goku to realize his true potential,when on the flip side Frieza feared the saiyans,so he would never do anything that was in the best interest for Vegeta to improve himself,and King Vegeta though he loved Vegeta came off as more of a dictator as in

"IF YOU DON'T LEARN HOW TO DO THIS,I WILL BEAT YOUR ASS!"

Goku was never trained or around those kind of people

[semijuggalo]

Sounds like the start to a bad DBZ erotica fanfic.

Holy crap, that DID sound like the start of a bad DBZ erotica fanfic! :confused:

[goodm0urning]

While that's true, it's funny how the Prince of the Saiyans/Super Elite/S-Class Saiyan doesn't know how to train properly, but a 3rd rate subordinate of his does (that's bs). And to make things worse, outside of the battlefield, Vegeta really is highly intelligent person, while Goku only can show his geniusness while only on the battlefield and during training periods which, somehow, takes Vegeta a long period of time to understand or to even come close to Goku's power (more bs). Vegeta might as well be renamed "The Prince of Jobbers" which makes Piccolo the king.Goku is a brilliant man. One of the biggest misconceptions in DB is that Goku is stupid. Yeah, he's naive, uneducated, and short on manners, but his intelligence and creativity are self-evident when it really counts.

Vegeta's real problem has nothing to do with intelligence. In some ways, Goku's very narrow view of the world is a benefit, because he loves fighting and knows exactly why he does it. Vegeta doesn't have that. He doesn't have the pure love of the fight, and he doesn't have that pure love for the things that he protects. It's more psychological than anything else.

Being a so-called higher class warrior didn't matter either. That's one of the chief messages of Dragon Ball: the caste you're born into only matters if you believe it does. In reality, Vegeta fought around the galaxy while Goku was still on Earth. Vegeta was stronger because he tested his mettle against greater competition. Once Goku had comparable experience, he began to outstrip Vegeta as a fighter.

[white shadow]

Holy crap, that DID sound like the start of a bad DBZ erotica fanfic! :confused:

Cha-La [Gimme] Head Cha-La!!!

[Pablo_the_Mex]

So, is there an official box set of the entire series? I see parts of it on ebay, and then some box set that costs $260. Not really sure how much I should be spending.

[DarthTrey]

So, is there an official box set of the entire series? I see parts of it on ebay, and then some box set that costs $260. Not really sure how much I should be spending.

there is no complete series box sets if thats what you mean.


you can buy seasons, but thats it.

[Pablo_the_Mex]

there is no complete series box sets if thats what you mean.


you can buy seasons, but thats it.

Hmm, then that complete $260 box set on ebay must be some sort of bootleg. I have also seen lots of torrents for the show, but I don't feel like using up 60gb for one show.

[GC!?]

So, is there an official box set of the entire series? I see parts of it on ebay, and then some box set that costs $260. Not really sure how much I should be spending.

a single box set for the entire series would be pretty fucking big D: Though I wouldn't mind having one.


speaking of box sets, I've never got around to watching the Raditz or Vegeta saga of DBZ. I don't think Toonami ever aired them IIRC. Gotta rent the DVDs for that sometime :\

[DarthTrey]

a single box set for the entire series would be pretty fucking big D: Though I wouldn't mind having one.


speaking of box sets, I've never got around to watching the Raditz or Vegeta saga of DBZ. I don't think Toonami ever aired them IIRC. Gotta rent the DVDs for that sometime :\

they aired them like all the fucking time before they ever did the frieza saga, it was just the ocean dub

[Rhio2k]

Strength doesn't always come into factor when you are training someone else, just like coaches for most sports, while they may be excellent at teaching other people to play well, they may not be able to perform said action as well as their student.


Some examples of Vegeta's youth: if you go back to the flashbacks where King Vegeta was training prince Vegeta, he was always very condescending, also Frieza never trained him, merely employed him to do his bidding.

Granted we could argue this all day, but thats why I feel that goku was always stronger than the others, his heart was pure, he always trained for the "right" reasons, good tutelage as a youngster, and he was the main character. :sweat:

One thing always bothered me about Dragonball Z: You don't need superior skill, just more power than the next guy.

[GC!?]

they aired them like all the fucking time before they ever did the frieza saga, it was just the ocean dub

Okay, but when they did the Frieza saga, I don't remember them ever showing the Raditz/Vegeta saga ever again.

Every single time they hit the point in the story where they weren't finished dubbing, they went straight back to the Frieza saga (or somewhere like the Garlic Jr. saga).

I watched Toonami virtually every weekday way back when, and I can't remember one instance where they DID show those two sagas.

Maybe you're thinking Cartoon Network?

[goodm0urning]

Hmm, then that complete $260 box set on ebay must be some sort of bootleg. I have also seen lots of torrents for the show, but I don't feel like using up 60gb for one show.The season box sets are quite inexpensive. You might check them out.

One thing always bothered me about Dragonball Z: You don't need superior skill, just more power than the next guy.Initially, power and skill went hand in hand. But I see where your complaint is valid once it gets into the whole android thing, where they're basically built so powerful that they're almost unbeatable.

[DarthTrey]

Okay, but when they did the Frieza saga, I don't remember them ever showing the Raditz/Vegeta saga ever again.

Every single time they hit the point in the story where they weren't finished dubbing, they went straight back to the Frieza saga (or somewhere like the Garlic Jr. saga).

I watched Toonami virtually every weekday way back when, and I can't remember one instance where they DID show those two sagas.

I do, because that was when they switched the voices and I was drastically confused.... they only aired them a few times when the frieza saga first came out.

[GC!?]

I do, because that was when they switched the voices and I was drastically confused.... they only aired them a few times when the frieza saga first came out.

yeah, I guess that explains it. I kinda got into watching DBZ a bit late..I think the first ever episode I watched (also the first anime episode I watched) was like...somewhere in the Cell games.

[Rhio2k]

The season box sets are quite inexpensive. You might check them out.

Initially, power and skill went hand in hand. But I see where your complaint is valid once it gets into the whole android thing, where they're basically built so powerful that they're almost unbeatable.

But can you imagine this scenario:

Hard-ass bad guy raping everyone, but loses to a guy who has less "power" but is faster than him, and reverses/counters all his physical attacks due to his greater skill in physical combat.

[goodm0urning]

But can you imagine this scenario:

Hard-ass bad guy raping everyone, but loses to a guy who has less "power" but is faster than him, and reverses/counters all his physical attacks due to his greater skill in physical combat.This happened a lot earlier on in the series. The first time they really fight a villain with such massive power that he barely even needs to fight was Freeza, and that's because he was originally supposed to be the most powerful bad guy in the history of anything.

[DarthTrey]

The speed thing was still evident later in the series as well,

one prime example being when Future Trunks went USSJ and got his ass handed to him by imperfect cell strictly because he was too slow, although his power level was much greater.



srsly guys come one meow.

[white shadow]

The speed thing was still evident later in the series as well,

one prime example being when Future Trunks went USSJ and got his ass handed to him by imperfect cell strictly because he was too slow, although his power level was much greater.



srsly guys come one meow.


His power level wasn't that much greater. SSJ2 was the perfect balance between speed and power though.

[DarthTrey]

His power level wasn't that much greater. SSJ2 was the perfect balance between speed and power though.

It was much greater than the person he was fighting is what i meant :arazz:

[Markudea]

Goku is a brilliant man. One of the biggest misconceptions in DB is that Goku is stupid. Yeah, he's naive, uneducated, and short on manners, but his intelligence and creativity are self-evident when it really counts.
While I agree with this statement, I still find it hard that a person just can't have common sense off the battlefield, but on the battlefield, they're the world's best fighting prodigy. I understand Goku's upbringing, but still...


Vegeta's real problem has nothing to do with intelligence. In some ways, Goku's very narrow view of the world is a benefit, because he loves fighting and knows exactly why he does it. Vegeta doesn't have that. He doesn't have the pure love of the fight, and he doesn't have that pure love for the things that he protects. It's more psychological than anything else.
I disagree with this statement. I believe that Vegeta enjoys fighting just as much as Goku does (perhaps even more since Future Trunks stated to Krilllin that Vegeta fights based on the nobility of a warrior). If Vegeta didn't have the pure love of the fight, then he wouldn't have let Frieza transform the first time after knowing that he was stronger, he wouldn't let Cell become complete after realizing that Cell wasn't a challenge for him prior to that (not to mention the second square-off that him and Goku as he made Goku fight him).


Being a so-called higher class warrior didn't matter either. That's one of the chief messages of Dragon Ball: the caste you're born into only matters if you believe it does. In reality, Vegeta fought around the galaxy while Goku was still on Earth. Vegeta was stronger because he tested his mettle against greater competition. Once Goku had comparable experience, he began to outstrip Vegeta as a fighter.

I suppose that you're right seeing how the legend of all Saiyans gets jobbed in every movie. Based on your statements, Goku shouldn't be in the same league with Vegeta seeing as Vegeta have more battle experience than him. It's the fact that it's Goku's show is the reason why he constantly has the edge over Vegeta.


It was much greater than the person he was fighting is what i meant :arazz:
Imo, that's the basics of DBZ (which is why it's easier to see who's the overall better fighter in comparison to animes like Naruto or Bleach).

[DarthTrey]

While I agree with this statement, I still find it hard that a person just can't have common sense off the battlefield, but on the battlefield, they're the world's best fighting prodigy. I understand Goku's upbringing, but still...

He raised himself from age ~6 to 12, prior to that he was only raised by his "grandpa" and his grandpa alone, he didn't encounter another human being until he met bulma at the start of dragonball(which was also the first girl he ever met). After that the only people he encountered were the main characters of the story of which Bulma was the closest he ever came from encountering a "normal" person in their world. Also keep in mind even after he married ChiChi he lived with his family in the middle of the country becoming completely self sufficient, of course he's going to be a little socially inept.


I disagree with this statement. I believe that Vegeta enjoys fighting just as much as Goku does (perhaps even more since Future Trunks stated to Krilllin that Vegeta fights based on the nobility of a warrior). If Vegeta didn't have the pure love of the fight, then he wouldn't have let Frieza transform the first time after knowing that he was stronger, he wouldn't let Cell become complete after realizing that Cell wasn't a challenge for him prior to that (not to mention the second square-off that him and Goku as he made Goku fight him)

You must also understand that even though he loves to fight he is also quite arrogant which is why he allowed them reach their final forms, before they transformed he thought he could surely best them even them because he "is the prince of all Saiyans" After they transform he almost ALWAYS wishes he would have finished them off beforehand.



I suppose that you're right seeing how the legend of all Saiyans gets jobbed in every movie. Based on your statements, Goku shouldn't be in the same league with Vegeta seeing as Vegeta have more battle experience than him. It's the fact that it's Goku's show is the reason why he constantly has the edge over Vegeta.

movies aren't canon :P, and Battle experience isn't the only thing that determines strength :sweat:


Imo, that's the basics of DBZ (which is why it's easier to see who's the overall better fighter in comparison to animes like Naruto or Bleach).

Indeed:) , also note that a lot of the later Shonen animes borrow heavily from Dragonball

[Million]

ah, satisfaction...I got the old Pioneer DBZ dvd in the mail today; it includes Zarbon vs. Vegeta, round 1. It's so good to hear the old "aussie" sounding Zarbon once again. A great side bonus is that it includes one of the more memorable comedic moments of the show, imo....when Tien, Yamcha, Chaoutzu and Piccolo have to make Kai laugh before he will agree to train them....Tien's attempt was hilarious:

"....I'VE NEVER FELT PRESSURE LIKE THIS....must stay focused..."---said with that tense look on his face, eyes closed, struggling to come up with a suitable joke. Then, he hits him with the joke like it's an attack..
King Kai: "...he's powering up now..."
Tien: "ah! You can tune a piano, but you CAN'T TUNAFISH!"

(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FLrSepFWEQk&mode=related&search= )<--Legendary.

King Kai is thrown back with the force of such powerful comedy, and busts out laughing. Ah yes....memories. I love this show.

[goodm0urning]

King Kai is thrown back with the force of such powerful comedy, and busts out laughing. Ah yes....memories. I love this show.And for once, this part in the original version of DB is just as corny as in the Americanized version.

I think, other than this, the only conceivable reason to watch the original FUNi dub (Ocean era) is the now-legendary "over nine thooouuuusaaaand!!!" clip.

[DarthTrey]

ah, satisfaction...I got the old Pioneer DBZ dvd in the mail today; it includes Zarbon vs. Vegeta, round 1. It's so good to hear the old "aussie" sounding Zarbon once again. A great side bonus is that it includes one of the more memorable comedic moments of the show, imo....when Tien, Yamcha, Chaoutzu and Piccolo have to make Kai laugh before he will agree to train them....Tien's attempt was hilarious:

"....I'VE NEVER FELT PRESSURE LIKE THIS....must stay focused..."---said with that tense look on his face, eyes closed, struggling to come up with a suitable joke. Then, he hits him with the joke like it's an attack..
King Kai: "...he's powering up now..."
Tien: "ah! You can tune a piano, but you CAN'T TUNAFISH!"

(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FLrSepFWEQk&mode=related&search= )<--Legendary.

King Kai is thrown back with the force of such powerful comedy, and busts out laughing. Ah yes....memories. I love this show.


lol I completely forgot about this scene. Holy crap so funny

[Wolfkiller]

I suppose that you're right seeing how the legend of all Saiyans gets jobbed in every movie. Based on your statements, Goku shouldn't be in the same league with Vegeta seeing as Vegeta have more battle experience than him. It's the fact that it's Goku's show is the reason why he constantly has the edge over Vegeta.


Vegeta was BORN better than Goku. That, coupled with the fact he worked for Frieza and had fellow Saiyan teammates to help him along, Vegeta probably didn't run into many challenges or defeats in his life before Goku.

Goku started out weaker, so he had to constantly get stronger throughout the series. Saiyans naturally get stronger when healing from great injuries. It's plausible to suggest Vegeta never had any of these so he pretty much stayed at his normal power level most of his life, where Goku was pushed and pushed. It's not just the battle experience that counts, it's the type of battle experience.

[Markudea]

Vegeta was BORN better than Goku. That, coupled with the fact he worked for Frieza and had fellow Saiyan teammates to help him along, Vegeta probably didn't run into many challenges or defeats in his life before Goku.

Goku started out weaker, so he had to constantly get stronger throughout the series. Saiyans naturally get stronger when healing from great injuries. It's plausible to suggest Vegeta never had any of these so he pretty much stayed at his normal power level most of his life, where Goku was pushed and pushed. It's not just the battle experience that counts, it's the type of battle experience.

But not even Vegeta received the same power boost spurts like Goku has... I remembered when Goku just arrived on Namek he somewhere around Ginyu's league, but after he came out that rejuvenation tank, his power level went up so much for no reason that it was stupid. Goku's power level went from 180,000 (thanks to the Kaioken technique) to like 2 million and something initially as he was strong and quick enough to lands some impressive shots in on Frieza who transformed three times already (that just can't be explained).

[Wolfkiller]

It's the Near Death Saiyan Recovery technique! Vegeta tried to pull that shit with Dende and Krillin, but got caught before it could work.

[R.P.D rookie]

It's the Near Death Saiyan Recovery technique! Vegeta tried to pull that shit with Dende and Krillin, but got caught before it could work.

He got it to work, it just wasn't enough. Yeah, I never thought about how powerful Goku had to be on Frieza's level after the rejuvenation tank.:rofl: Good ol' plot holes.

At that point in the series things just didn't make sense, like Raditz could blow up entire mountain ranges with a shot from one arm and he was only a 1200. Rekoome tries to kill Vegeta with his eraser gun and it just destroys a small island when it misses. Rekoome was like what 45,000?



Personally, I enjoyed the saiyan saga, Namek, Ginyu and Frieza but after that things just fell off for me because EVERYONE got left behind except for Goku. Then when they go super saiyan, trunks shows up, then there's Goku, Trunks and Vegeta that are all SSJ and it's looking things might be balancing out again.

When android 19 and 20 showed up, Goku, Piccolo and Tien were there ready to fight. That was the last good moment for me because it just became all about Goku once Cell became perfect. Tien going all out with his Tri-beam attack on Cell was the last glorious hour of all the Z fighters that I was so excited to watch back in the day when they fought the Saiyans. They were so fucking raw back then too, they went out like gangsters not giving a shit, go to King Kai's place and I'm thinking they'll come back fucking god like and ready to be some serious back up in a tight spot. Instead that whole trip was like a side note reminder to the readers/viewers. Sadly, their main roles after that were sitting on the sideline mouths gaping and eyes wide staring as they helplessly watch. Ghey....

I don't even want to think about the Buu saga. SSJ3 the most glorious of the transformations (forget that GT SSJ4 crap), is belittled by a fat blob. Later though, Goku said he could've destroyed Buu if he really wanted to but decided earth needed new heroes to take on the job (What the F...?).

The only cool thing that would've saved the Buu saga for me is if they would've let Vegeta go SSJ3 if but for a brief moment and then he passes out. The fact that a kid Buu is treating him like a toy throws him into a rage, kind of like how he was against Rekoome when he powered up. That at least could've left things open to the imagination of the fans after the series ended.

The great thing about DBZ is despite all the "If only, could've, would've, should've" jabs, the series has unbelievable character and depth, that at the end of the day, you just don't care that you didn't get exactly what you wanted. Good series.

[goodm0urning]

But not even Vegeta received the same power boost spurts like Goku has... I remembered when Goku just arrived on Namek he somewhere around Ginyu's league, but after he came out that rejuvenation tank, his power level went up so much for no reason that it was stupid. Goku's power level went from 180,000 (thanks to the Kaioken technique) to like 2 million and something initially as he was strong and quick enough to lands some impressive shots in on Frieza who transformed three times already (that just can't be explained).Goku was much stronger than Ginyu. Remember, Goku didn't get beaten up badly at all when fighting the Ginyu Tokusentai. Ginyu was pretty well fucked until he injured himself, then surprised Goku with the body change technique.

Goku needed the rejuvenation tank because Ginyu got his ass kicked while in Goku's body.

[white shadow]

I know I'm in the minority on this but IM*H*O the coolest scene in DBZ for me was when Perfect Cell used his newfound "psychic power" abilities to create his fighting arena and then just stands in the center, arms folded, eyes closed, as the sun sets... then the narrator says:

"...Patiently, Cell waits... Next time on Dragonball Z!..."


badass...

[ReggieHadoken]

I know I'm in the minority on this but IM*H*O the coolest scene in DBZ for me was when Perfect Cell used his newfound "psychic power" abilities to create his fighting arena and then just stands in the center, arms folded, eyes closed, as the sun sets... then the narrator says:

"...Patiently, Cell waits... Next time on Dragonball Z!..."


badass...

That scene was tight. Again, Cell is my fav villian in the series. Another of my fav scenes is when Goku is throwing ki blasts at Cell. Cell is blocking them but he's being pushed back and he has to put up his barrier. Thought it was freaking pimp.

[Wolfkiller]

Two of my favorite scenes that come to mind:

1- Vegeta is resisting Babidi's commands and says something along the lines of: "You have taken my body and my mind but there is something a Saiyan always keeps - HIS PRIIIIIIDE!" as he erupts with yellow flames. Fucking epic.

2- Vegeta's self sacrifice during the Buu saga. Especially when he's asking Piccolo whether he will meet "that clown, Kakarot" in the afterlife. Piccolo says "This is the truth..." and you see a close up of Vegeta's eye twitch before he learns he likely won't be keeping his body for all of the bad shit he's done. To which he just grins and says "Oh well."
As much as I loved the evil as fuck Vegeta, to see his redemption and actually show he does care for his friends and family behind all of his anger was really cool to me.

[Vejita_x]

(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FLrSepFWEQk&mode=related&search= )<--Legendary.



ahah

yamcha: if that doesnt do it, *balled fist* i just dont know what will...

[Tha Don]

ahhhhh my fav anime of all time man this show is literraly like 1 of the fukin best but i got to say that the namek saga is my fav cell and ahed is a little to overpowered but namek saga is perfect man first ss transformation and ive literraly seen evry single episode and movie of this show and yes even the lost movie i luv it :lovin:

[Wolfkiller]

ahah

yamcha: if that doesnt do it, *balled fist* i just dont know what will...

Favorite'd that shit a few days ago. Genius that they played it out like a fight scene. A bit of self parody I think. It would have been hilarious if they dragged it out for 3+ episodes though. :rofl:

[scum gale 88]

just out of curiosity, how many times has krillin died?
Im only familiar with the beginning to the end of the frieza saga and the buu saga.

[TS]

IIRC- once in DB, once by Frieza (brought back by Dende), and once by Buu..?

[goodm0urning]

Is the "lost movie" everybody is referring to the so-called OAV, by chance? The one that's actually a bunch of old Playdia clips edited together?

IIRC- once in DB, once by Frieza (brought back by Dende), and once by Buu..?Close. Dende didn't bring Kuririn back from the dead. He just healed him after Freeza nearly killed him. Freeza later really killed him (I mean REALLY killed him) moments after Goku used the genki dama.

If you want to get technical, Kuririn dies four times, counting his death in the Future Trunks timeline.

He also dies again in GT, but fuck that shit.

[The Invincible Swordsman]

The entire spot in the Buu vs Vegeta fight after Trunks saved him was great. That part got to me and really made me say "Damn." Vegeta knocking out the kids, and talking to Piccolo.

But I also really loved during the Majin Vegeta vs Goku fight when Vegeta was talking to Goku. The first time they were talking Goku asked him why he let himself be influenced by Babidi.......

Vegeta - Ore wa...... Ore wa.......

(Vegeta then builds his power up and then it EXPLODES!)

Vegeta - I WANT TO BE THE WAY I USED TO BE!!!

And then the next part where they're talking when Vegeta throws Goku into a cliff and pins him down with four ki shots in the form of rings.......

Vegeta - What's wrong? I thought you were going to finish me fast.

Goku - That's exactly what I'm going to do!

Vegeta - Really? I couldn't tell.

*Slap! Slap!*

That's why the followup battles with Goku & Vegeta/Vegetto vs Super Buu/Kid Buu hurt my feelings. Those battles (along with Goku going SSJ3) totally SHIT on that fight and all that great, IMPORTANT dialogue.


This has been THE INVINCIBLE SWORDSMAN saying in his best Vegeta voice:

It was the fight against Babidi's henchmen....... the way you defeated him.... I was shocked Kakarotto. It made me realize..... you are a better fighting genius than me. So I let myself be controlled hoping that my power would overcome that difference between us. And it worked just like I hoped it would.

[ViciousSLASH]

It's the Near Death Saiyan Recovery technique! Vegeta tried to pull that shit with Dende and Krillin, but got caught before it could work.

What was funny about that is Krillin was all "NO, YOU'RE CRAZY!" and Vegeta is just sitting there and yelling at him.

Vegeta got shitted on the entire Freiza saga. First he gets his ass kicked by the Ginyu force and has to sit there listening to Krillin and Gohan tell him to not kill anyone of them.

Then he comes back, thinks he's the first Super Saiyen and gets destroyed by Freiza only to see his greatest rival become one.

I always liked shirtless one finger push ups in gravity chambers. That was a DBZ specialty.

Goku didn't die against Vegeta in the first fight right? I was going to say they should have bee the same power level when they got to Namek because of the saiyen thing, but then I forgot the whole time Goku was flying to Namek he training. Including the legendary fight against high gravity.

[Autocrat1]

And then the next part where they're talking when Vegeta throws Goku into a cliff and pins him down with four ki shots in the form of rings.......

Vegeta - What's wrong? I thought you were going to finish me fast.

Goku - That's exactly what I'm going to do!

Vegeta - Really? I couldn't tell.

*Slap! Slap!*
I loved the dub version of this as well (not entirely verbatim):


Vegeta: What's the matter? Not winning as easily as you thought?

Goku: Grr...I never said it was going to be easy!

Vegeta: HA! YOU WON'T BE WINNING AT ALL

*pimp* *smack*

Goku: *pissed*

Vegeta: WHAT, CLOWN?!

Vegeta: Are you angry? Humiliated? Is that it?!

*Majin soupbone to Goku's cheek*

Vegeta: FOOL! YOU DON'T *whap* KNOW *whap* WHAT HUMILIATION *whap* IS!! *whap*

[PsychoSquall]

Is the "lost movie" everybody is referring to the so-called OAV, by chance? The one that's actually a bunch of old Playdia clips edited together?



yes it is.

Here's images from the upcoming DBZ Tenkachi3/Sparking Meteor game. Overload!
http://shoryuken.voiea.net/uploads/Random%20Pics/dbz%20sparking%20meteor1.jpg

http://shoryuken.voiea.net/uploads/Random%20Pics/dbz%20sparking%20meteor2.jpg

[goodm0urning]

yes it is.It's so bad. For anyone who's curious about it, don't bother. It's not a movie. Just fan-edited video game clips.

[Biolink]

Halo thar Vegeta:

http://www.onemanga.com/Eyeshield21/194/09/

[TrunksSS3]

kidd buu kicked vegeta the worse while goku was doing that thing for the spritbomb



goke said give me 5 min it took a whole episode LMAOO

[goodm0urning]

kidd buu kicked vegeta the worse while goku was doing that thing for the spritbomb



goke said give me 5 min it took a whole episode LMAOOThat's better than the five minutes it took for Freeza's planet-destroying attack to blow up Planet Namek. How many episodes did it take? Four? Five?

[Kusanagi02]

That's better than the five minutes it took for Freeza's planet-destroying attack to blow up Planet Namek. How many episodes did it take? Four? Five?

i'm gonna say somewhere in the neighborhood of like 10 episodes give or take.

[Sonichuman]

Halo thar Vegeta:

http://www.onemanga.com/Eyeshield21/194/09/

this reminds me of the scene when goku and the other were doing registration for the tournament in the buu saga and everyone restrained themselves....EXCEPT fuckin vegeta. I say this because I can't imagine vegeta doing any sort of 'team' work on the football...if anything he'll just blast everyone...including his own team mates and get to the touchdown

watching ocean's dub vs. funimation...i still say ocean's dub had the better vegeta and usually overall better va than funimation's but they're censoring was so bad lmfao...funimation's va's are ok and they were a more lenient on the censoring than ocean's dub was...at least they didn't have vegeta screaming out he was gonna send someone to the next dimension.

Vegeta's Pride clip:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XT9Pqh4zhS0&NR=1

Funny DBZ censors and edits:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_AiUaPRjmb4

[Dan?]

But "I'm going to send you...to ANOTHER DIMENSION!!!" is probably one of the best dub lines ever.

[DarthTrey]

Just save yourselves the torment of both and watch it in japanese like it was intended. :P

[TrunksSS3]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yCfKITe2gEY&feature=PlayList&p=8638255FA095DCB0&index=7

Time 2:55


here goes the clip for "I Am The prince Of All Saiyans Once Again":wgrin:

[Sonichuman]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yCfKITe2gEY&feature=PlayList&p=8638255FA095DCB0&index=7

Time 2:55


here goes the clip for "I Am The prince Of All Saiyans Once Again":wgrin:

lmao...vegeta talked so much trash in that fight...I can't remember if anyone talked equal or at least as much trash as him the entire series.

[MrQuotes]

i lol'd so HORD at "the sleeper has awakened'. i was like WTF DUNE?!! so random.

[Lantis]

Best Vegeta moment was when that nosey TV reporter tried to interview him prior to the Cell Games:

"GET THE HELL OUT OF MY FACE! And don't even TRY to speak to me again, or I'll kill you!"

:rofl: Vegeta is one mean asshole.

[PBalla]

m i the only one who has all the eps on their computer?

[DarthTrey]

m i the only one who has all the eps on their computer?

I used to way back in the day, with dual audio tracks then my shit got stolen.... right now I'm currently in the process of buying all the dvd's

Downloading all episodes != impressive.......

[locoghoul]

One thing i don´t like too much about DBZ is the source of their power. Like, it was cool when Goku first turned SSJ while fighting Freezer but after that it seemed that in order to achieve a great power the character must be pissed or get really angry. Hmm, the thing is that no one level up the "cool" way, think star wars for a sec (despite how shallow is depicted), jedis use the force in a focus state whereas sith use emotions like anger and hate to empower them. So, what im saying is that it´s "ok" to "bad guys" like Broly to snap out and get power along with madness, but to the "good" guys i would prefer them to always be kinda neutral. You see that Vegeta always looses it when fighting for real, the same with other characters, and as i said, with Goku´s first SSJ transformation (which i think it was ok for that time) and Gohan´s SSJ2 transformation. Goku just kept saying to Gohan to get mad.

Ive seen other animes where the characters must put emotions aside to achieve a greater power, i dunno, it´s just a mini rant, coming to think about it, in OG DB almost all characters, including the bad guys, remained cool, kinda like Piccolo. anyways, just my .02

[Autocrat1]

I JUST NUTTED ALL OVER THE PLACE 9000 TIMES. (http://www.amazon.com/Dragon-Z-Broly-Definition-Blu-Ray-Blu-ray/dp/B000WC3922/ref=sr_1_1/104-7555115-4939925?ie=UTF8&s=dvd&qid=1192583513&sr=8-1)

[goodm0urning]

One thing i don´t like too much about DBZ is the source of their power. Like, it was cool when Goku first turned SSJ while fighting Freezer but after that it seemed that in order to achieve a great power the character must be pissed or get really angry. Hmm, the thing is that no one level up the "cool" way, think star wars for a sec (despite how shallow is depicted), jedis use the force in a focus state whereas sith use emotions like anger and hate to empower them. So, what im saying is that it´s "ok" to "bad guys" like Broly to snap out and get power along with madness, but to the "good" guys i would prefer them to always be kinda neutral. You see that Vegeta always looses it when fighting for real, the same with other characters, and as i said, with Goku´s first SSJ transformation (which i think it was ok for that time) and Gohan´s SSJ2 transformation. Goku just kept saying to Gohan to get mad.

Ive seen other animes where the characters must put emotions aside to achieve a greater power, i dunno, it´s just a mini rant, coming to think about it, in OG DB almost all characters, including the bad guys, remained cool, kinda like Piccolo. anyways, just my .02The reason they have to get angry is because it is the most direct route to get in touch with their primitive inner Saiyajin. It unlocks the instincts that they've repressed over time while living on Earth, and brings out their warrior heritage.

Plus, when you go Super Saiyajin, it's not like, "Whoaaa..." it's "AAAAARGGGHHH!!!"

[Markudea]

While I liked how the SSJ transformations are triggered, it's still not logical. The fact that a Saiyan can lose control in battle, thus, gain more control over the battle is irrational. For instance, Frieza had Goku beat in every way as all of Goku's techniques failed against him, and to make things worse, Goku was very fatiqued after he launched the Spirit Bomb at Frieza (so naturally they all would've died if Frieza survived). So, let's do a rundown on Goku's resistence towards Frieza:

Kaioken = FAILED
Kamehameha Wave = FAILED
Spirit Bomb = FAILED
Goku = VERY FATIQUED
The True Outcome = GOKU & CO. FUTURE DEMISE

But, not Goku... After Krillin died by Frieza, Goku (once again) powers up, but unlike before and harness enough power off of rage alone to surpass Frieza who hasn't even shown all of his power yet.

[jae hoon]

I have yet to actually watch most of DB GT, I just have no motivation to.

[DarthTrey]

While I liked how the SSJ transformations are triggered, it's still not logical. The fact that a Saiyan can lose control in battle, thus, gain more control over the battle is irrational. For instance, Frieza had Goku beat in every way as all of Goku's techniques failed against him, and to make things worse, Goku was very fatiqued after he launched the Spirit Bomb at Frieza (so naturally they all would've died if Frieza survived). So, let's do a rundown on Goku's resistence towards Frieza:

Kaioken = FAILED
Kamehameha Wave = FAILED
Spirit Bomb = FAILED
Goku = VERY FATIQUED
The True Outcome = GOKU & CO. FUTURE DEMISE

But, not Goku... After Krillin died by Frieza, Goku (once again) powers up, but unlike before and harness enough power off of rage alone to surpass Frieza who hasn't even shown all of his power yet.




How is the SSJ transformation illogical? The Saiyajin race was a brawling brute of a race that derived great pleasure from fighting.

If you were to think of them in RPG terms they would be the Berserker class. A berserker does not get more powerful by being calm. They get more powerful by freaking the fuck out. The entire reason Goku went SSJ was simply because he flipped the fuck out, he snapped, he went off the deep end.

[Markudea]

Rate this picture from 1 (Terrible) to 10 (Great):

http://fc04.deviantart.com/fs5/i/2004/319/7/e/Broly___The_Baddest_of_the_Bad_by_Fonzu.jpg

[Sasmasta]

I give it a 9/10. :tup:

[Allosaurus]

^ Broly is so goddamn overrated -_-

[DarthTrey]

^ Broly is so goddamn overrated -_-

agreed, bitch got pwnd by one punch from goku after only borrowing power from the other Z fighters.....


he's a wuss.

[Biolink]

Rate this picture from 1 (Terrible) to 10 (Great):

http://fc04.deviantart.com/fs5/i/2004/319/7/e/Broly___The_Baddest_of_the_Bad_by_Fonzu.jpg

Solid 8.

[Geese Pants]

I give it a 6................Freezer looks funny.

[Sonichuman]

^ Broly is so goddamn overrated -_-

agreed, bitch got pwnd by one punch from goku after only borrowing power from the other Z fighters.....


he's a wuss.

lmao...you can't call broly a wuss on that....nothing beats the Toei punch.

[Allosaurus]

Is the "lost movie" everybody is referring to the so-called OAV, by chance? The one that's actually a bunch of old Playdia clips edited together?


Yeah. "The Plan To Eradicate The Sayains" there's some clips on youtube floating around. Only really cool scene is where Goku and the gang fight "ghosts" of Frieza, Cooler, Slug and Tullece. Tullece actually says a funny ass line too

"My hatered for Sayains is the greatest. I. A sayain. Was killed by a sayain! Can't you understand my rage!?"

Broly is okay but he was reused too many damn times. Once was enough...okay twice was okay but THREE times? And in the last one he wasn't even Broly.

[white shadow]

I'm surprised that the world wasn't messed up with titanic floods when Piccolo destroyed the moon.

[MrQuotes]

id love to hate on broli because i cant stand how everyone hypes him
but the sheer fact that he's the only character in dbz history to make vegeta completely bitch out has to count for something

[ReggieHadoken]

I'm surprised that the world wasn't messed up with titanic floods when Piccolo destroyed the moon.

Master Roshi also destroyed it in OG Dragon Ball. The world of DB/DBZ and its characters is just that broken. :rofl:

[Wellman]

Yeah, I always wondered why no one just blew up a chunk of the moon, since it was just the full moon that triggered the transformations.

[goodm0urning]

Rate this picture from 1 (Terrible) to 10 (Great):

http://fc04.deviantart.com/fs5/i/2004/319/7/e/Broly___The_Baddest_of_the_Bad_by_Fonzu.jpg4/10. A decent effort, but the line weights are mostly equal throughout, so much of the drawing ends up looking flat (particularly Buu). The lack of shadowing also contributes to the unconvincing depth, since there isn't enough information to tell the viewer where the characters are in relation to the ground. Intellectually, I know they're on the ground, but it doesn't LOOK that way. From an anatomic standpoint, the arm holding Cell is extending too far backward, and Brolly's face looks kind of weird.

And, from a fanboy perspective, the sight of a non-canon villain beasting on a bunch of canon villains is pretty ridiculous.

[Worthless]

I liked Broly....:/

For a movie villain he was cool,since when it came time for him to fight,it was always BAM right to it.Slamming people thru buildings and shit.On top of the fact he blows up a galaxies just cause he can.

Turles/tullece in "the plan to eradicate the saiyans" was the most ridiculous shit i've seen though.They were all underpowered anyway...but damn.

but ghost warriors,random monster fighting etc..etc. :p

[BunnyHead]

I didnt get around to the Broly movie

...yet


I'm too busy watching all the episodes with Trunks
he's the best Saiyan there is.

He doesnt talk alot like Goku, he doesnt whine like Gohan, and he's not an arrogant ass like his papa Vegeta.

Trunks aint tryna hear no sob stories, he's straight to the point.

Wish season 4 would come out already dammit

[Dios <-X->]

is there any dvd transfer of the dbz with the ocean dubs?
i love those voices and every new dub ver to come out makes me cringe. i saw on youtube that the ocean dub exists pretty much throughout the show, android and buu saga. did they every bring this out on tape or dvd? i bought the digitally remastered season one, and i like it subbed, but i rather watch it dubbed with the good ocean dubs. is there no hope? did it, ever, come onto dvd? or am i screwed. im not digging these new dubs whatsoever.

[Autocrat1]

4/10. A decent effort, but the line weights are mostly equal throughout, so much of the drawing ends up looking flat (particularly Buu). The lack of shadowing also contributes to the unconvincing depth, since there isn't enough information to tell the viewer where the characters are in relation to the ground. Intellectually, I know they're on the ground, but it doesn't LOOK that way. From an anatomic standpoint, the arm holding Cell is extending too far backward, and Brolly's face looks kind of weird.

And, from a fanboy perspective, the sight of a non-canon villain beasting on a bunch of canon villains is pretty ridiculous.
This is the gayest post I have ever read. :china:

UNGAY YOURSELF :mad: (http://www.amazon.com/Dragon-Z-Broly-Definition-Blu-Ray-Blu-ray/dp/B000WC3922/ref=pd_bbs_sr_3/002-5070952-8638439?ie=UTF8&s=dvd&qid=1194116560&sr=8-3)

[Night]

[QUOTE=Lvl.3;4336671]DBZ should have ended after the cell saga, IMo anyway. Basically Gohan unleashing his "hidden power", thus being the strongest. /QUOTE]


QFT

Ever since the begginning of DBZ Gohan always had this "hidden power" which was greater than Goku, Piccolo (at that time) and later Vegeta. Cell saga woulda been a perfect ending considering DBZ was all about Gohan (same way DB was all about Goku, his growth, level up, etc). Sadly, most of the fans still saw Goku as the leading character and hence the impro (imo) Buu saga. I liked SSJ3 but there are a few flaws in the Buu´s saga plot. Gohan did become stronger than anyone and he coulda been the strongest had he trained properly. Hell, even in the Buu saga he was more powerful than Vegeta (he raped Buu while Vegeta got owned by fat Buu) and i would say almost as powerful as Goku.

Mystic Gohan was easily the most powerful guy (only second to Vegetto) and could take on and defeat SS3 Goku. He's pretty much completely maxed out in a constant status and doesn't even need to be SS, nor could he even go SS to the point where going SS would perhaps be detrimental because it requires power to maintain it heh. The Buu saga shoula coulda woulda ended right when Gohan kicked his ass (and before that, when Gotenks had him too), but nope, stupid writers had to let stupidity get in the way and they allowed Buu to absorb Gotenks and allow Gohan to get absorbed yeesh.

[goodm0urning]

is there any dvd transfer of the dbz with the ocean dubs?
i love those voices and every new dub ver to come out makes me cringe. i saw on youtube that the ocean dub exists pretty much throughout the show, android and buu saga. did they every bring this out on tape or dvd? i bought the digitally remastered season one, and i like it subbed, but i rather watch it dubbed with the good ocean dubs. is there no hope? did it, ever, come onto dvd? or am i screwed. im not digging these new dubs whatsoever.I do not know if they've been released on video, but the post-Ginyu Ocean dubs are all overseas only. If you find them on eBay or something, be cafeful--they might be PAL DVDs, which will not play in American DVD players.

This is the gayest post I have ever read. :china:

UNGAY YOURSELF :mad: (http://www.amazon.com/Dragon-Z-Broly-Definition-Blu-Ray-Blu-ray/dp/B000WC3922/ref=pd_bbs_sr_3/002-5070952-8638439?ie=UTF8&s=dvd&qid=1194116560&sr=8-3)The only thing I have in common with gays is a modicum of taste. Brolly's okay, but the movie villains are shit compared to the canon villains.

[Kusanagi02]

[QUOTE=locoghoul;4337279]

Mystic Gohan was easily the most powerful guy (only second to Vegetto) and could take on and defeat SS3 Goku. He's pretty much completely maxed out in a constant status and doesn't even need to be SS, nor could he even go SS to the point where going SS would perhaps be detrimental because it requires power to maintain it heh. The Buu saga shoula coulda woulda ended right when Gohan kicked his ass (and before that, when Gotenks had him too), but nope, stupid writers had to let stupidity get in the way and they allowed Buu to absorb Gotenks and allow Gohan to get absorbed yeesh.

There in lies the reason why i hated the Buu saga so much.

Chalk it up to the writers catering to the whining fans that wanted Goku to save the day. I like the Goku as much as the next person but i was digging the fact that Gohan and possibly Gotenks were gonna the heroes this time around.

The shitty part about all of this is that I'll probably still buy the box set for the saga.

[DarthTrey]

lmao...you can't call broly a wuss on that....nothing beats the Toei punch.

I'm going to go on the assumption that you are being sarcastic and am going to LOL in agreement :P


is there any dvd transfer of the dbz with the ocean dubs?
i love those voices and every new dub ver to come out makes me cringe. i saw on youtube that the ocean dub exists pretty much throughout the show, android and buu saga. did they every bring this out on tape or dvd? i bought the digitally remastered season one, and i like it subbed, but i rather watch it dubbed with the good ocean dubs. is there no hope? did it, ever, come onto dvd? or am i screwed. im not digging these new dubs whatsoever.

UGGHHHH STOP WATCHING DUBS!!!!

Man the fuck up and watch the jap versions ffs



There in lies the reason why i hated the Buu saga so much.

Chalk it up to the writers catering to the whining fans that wanted Goku to save the day. I like the Goku as much as the next person but i was digging the fact that Gohan and possibly Gotenks were gonna the heroes this time around.

The shitty part about all of this is that I'll probably still buy the box set for the saga.


I feel you, Gohan gets shafted through out the series, he was supposed to be the savior after they extended it the first time but NOOOO fanboys had to bitch and wanted more even AFTER the cell saga. FUCK THAT SHIT YO. Gohan is supposed to be the strongest non-fused character in the series it's completely evident in everything he does(not including DB:GT, which although was acknowledged by Toriyama is not canon therefor not valid.)



EDIT: I just realized how obsessed I am with DBZ and request forgiveness from whatever higher power there is for said obsession :S

GOD HELP ME!!!!!!!!!

[Allosaurus]

Turles/tullece in "the plan to eradicate the saiyans" was the most ridiculous shit i've seen though.They were all underpowered anyway...but damn.


Yeah he kinda looks braindead too =/ It's cool how he has the same VA as Goku in the OG Jap dub.

I'm surprised Kid Buu hasn't beat Broly to a bloody pulp in that pic yet lol some movie villains are cool. (Cooler) but yeah most of em suck (Super 13)

[scum gale 88]

Master Roshi also destroyed it in OG Dragon Ball. The world of DB/DBZ and its characters is just that broken. :rofl:
how often did master roshi fight in dbz anyway? or was he just too distracted by titties to care?

isnt he supposed to be this godly martial arts genius? anyone who can blast a hole in the moon (and in dragonball no less) has to be pretty badass.

[The Invincible Swordsman]

I'm not sure Mystic Gohan was stronger than SSJ3 Goku. Maybe at 1st yeah. But Kid Buu was stronger than SuperBuu correct? SSJ3 Goku held his own for about 3 eps before finally getting too tired and letting Vegeta take over for a minute and then jumping back into the fray. Of course, this could be just because of the dumb writers.


This has been THE INVINCIBLE SWORDSMAN saying:

But like I said before....... the story should've ended with Gotenks & Gohan saving the day/world/universe.

[Allosaurus]

But Kid Buu was stronger than SuperBuu correct?

It's like this IIRC....

Kid Buu>>Super Buu>Skinny Buu>>>Fat Buu?

Not including all the retarded absorptions. I can't believe they threw Dr. Wheelo in DBT3 :confused:

[goodm0urning]

I'm surprised Kid Buu hasn't beat Broly to a bloody pulp in that pic yet lol some movie villains are cool. (Cooler) but yeah most of em suck (Super 13)The best movie villain, in my opinion, is Hildegarn (in the last film). They at least tried to tell some kind of story, instead of it just being Villain X shows up --> Z senshi get their asses kicked --> Goku pulls it together at the last minute and saves everybody.

isnt he supposed to be this godly martial arts genius? anyone who can blast a hole in the moon (and in dragonball no less) has to be pretty badass.Like many characters in the series, he started out great, but eventually just became outclassed. And really, if you had a choice, would you risk your life to save the world, or would you have a seat on the crapper and read a porn mag?

I'm not sure Mystic Gohan was stronger than SSJ3 Goku. Maybe at 1st yeah. But Kid Buu was stronger than SuperBuu correct? SSJ3 Goku held his own for about 3 eps before finally getting too tired and letting Vegeta take over for a minute and then jumping back into the fray. Of course, this could be just because of the dumb writers.Akira Toriyama wrote it. He wrote the entire series--at least, the comics. He didn't do the filler material in the anime. But yeah, you have him to thank for whatever it is you're complaining about. He was definitely bored of the series during the Buu saga.

[Million]

Dios, those old era dubs can still be found on amazon.com at least. That's where I recently ordered "Collision Course", which includes round 1 of Vegeta vs. Zarbon. I simply had to have the old Zarbon back...Dobson's "Aussie Zarbon" IS Zarbon for me...nothing else is acceptable. The vids are all cheap, of course. This one only cost me 3.02, not including shipping. I also may get some of the saiyan saga, since I preferred the old "evil saiyan theme" from Falconer...and I miss Nappa's old voice a bit, along with the old Vegeta voice.

[Rhio2k]

how often did master roshi fight in dbz anyway? or was he just too distracted by titties to care?

isnt he supposed to be this godly martial arts genius? anyone who can blast a hole in the moon (and in dragonball no less) has to be pretty badass.

Too bad the only thing he was good at was beating up little kids and calling it "training".

[mcginnis]

DBZ was a great animation when I was a kid. As you get older though, you start to realize all the messed up plots and just plain dumb stuff that's unneccessary. I primarily liked Dragonball all the way to when goku fought vegeta for the first time. The fighting was a lot better IMO and I still watched the rest of the other series just to know what happens but It's always the same formula, bad guy appears-have to train-beat the bad guy with some super twist where hero gets stronger. :) Still a great game and anime aside from that.

[Sonichuman]

I'm going to go on the assumption that you are being sarcastic and am going to LOL in agreement :P






part sarcastic..part serious lol Broly got the shaft hard in the first movie....that's from my perspective since there was definitely no contest between everyone (Is he the only villian to hurt one of the z fighters by just standing up? lol poor piccolo) Yeah he's overhyped...but that was because he was a fuckin bastard lmao. 'Oops...did I just...blow it up?' And then Goku rises from the ashes to take on broly...he's absorbed everyone's power cept for vegeta's and he's still getting his ass beat badly..their's no contest...then when he finally gets that..there's no fight really...it's the Toei punch. Gently eased into his gut...then goes up with it. Could have solved all of the villians if it was gonna be that easy.

Yeah he kinda looks braindead too =/ It's cool how he has the same VA as Goku in the OG Jap dub.

I'm surprised Kid Buu hasn't beat Broly to a bloody pulp in that pic yet lol some movie villains are cool. (Cooler) but yeah most of em suck (Super 13)

It's funny hearing the english va for 13...especially in DBZ:BT2 cause he sounds like a complete redneck truck driver or something. I'm halfway expecting him to pull out some kkk robes.

[Night]

I'm not sure Mystic Gohan was stronger than SSJ3 Goku. Maybe at 1st yeah. But Kid Buu was stronger than SuperBuu correct? SSJ3 Goku held his own for about 3 eps before finally getting too tired and letting Vegeta take over for a minute and then jumping back into the fray. Of course, this could be just because of the dumb writers.


This has been THE INVINCIBLE SWORDSMAN saying:

But like I said before....... the story should've ended with Gotenks & Gohan saving the day/world/universe.

Yeah it should've easily ended there, but the writers for some reason (most likely giving into fans wanting Goku to save the day) had the good guys get the stupid bad guy talking too much syndrome, giving the bad guys the break they needed.

I believe Kid Buu was actually weaker than Super Buu because he no longer had Gotenks, Piccolo and Gohan absorbed. Only Super Buu with Gotenks and Piccolo absorbed could stand up to Gohan, and it had to take Vegetto to kick his ass and take away the absorptions to "weaken" him back to Kid Buu status. Mystic Gohan never had a chance to engage in a full fight with Kid Buu unfortunately... if he did, he probably could've won or at least, do as good or better than SS3 Goku since Goku ran outta energy eventually. Thank the writers for fucking that up too.

[white shadow]

Yeah it should've easily ended there, but the writers for some reason (most likely giving into fans wanting Goku to save the day) had the good guys get the stupid bad guy talking too much syndrome, giving the bad guys the break they needed.


Fans wanted Goku to win, all the time. Akira Toriyama yielded to their evocations in his stories even though his plans was to make Gohan true savior in what was supposed to be the final saga, the Cell Saga.

[Silentness!]

Problem #1 People wanted Goku to save the day
Problem #2: Akira wanted to end the story early

Solution: Goku saves the day in Namek and the story ends like it's supposed. Simple solution, but nope let's add more super saiyans out the ass and make absurd power levels that become pointless to even try and calculate. You know power levels become retarded when no one can even use a scouter to detect them.
_____________

It makes so much sense for the show to end in Namek. How the fuck does Goku survive when he was literally shown blowing up in Namek.

[thurst]

in terms of power:
super buu > skinny buu > fat buu > kid buu

in terms of evil:
kid buu > super buu/skinny buu >>> fat buu

kid buu seems like the strongest bcuz goku/vegeta fight him at their weakest strengths. if vegetto, gotenks or gohan would've fought kid buu they'd beast easily.

[Allosaurus]

Kid Buu also had the retarded ability to learn new moves just by SEEING them X_X. Anybody else think that Kaioshin(Supreme Kai) was a useless character?

[jae hoon]

Did anyone else think some of the sagas just went on to long, sitting there going ok this shit needs to end by now.

And I have still yet to watch all of GT dont know if I ever will. I just dont have any desire to.

[catchafire]

I would like to DL the whole DragonBall Z and Dragon Ball series in Japanese and good quality. Anyone know of a good resource, please send PM =)

[Allosaurus]

And I have still yet to watch all of GT dont know if I ever will. I just dont have any desire to.

Good choice. In GT EVERYBODY can only go SSJ except Goku of course. :bluu:

[Kusanagi02]

Did anyone else think some of the sagas just went on to long, sitting there going ok this shit needs to end by now.

And I have still yet to watch all of GT dont know if I ever will. I just dont have any desire to.

You REALLY don't want to watch GT

The level of retardness in that show was rediculous. Any plotline from Z was thrown out the window and Goku was simply too damn broken especially when he went Super Saiyan 4.

I don't know...i think whoever wrote GT was smoking crack coming up with that whack ass story.

[Rhio2k]

You REALLY don't want to watch GT

The level of retardness in that show was rediculous. Any plotline from Z was thrown out the window and Goku was simply too damn broken especially when he went Super Saiyan 4.

I don't know...i think whoever wrote GT was smoking crack coming up with that whack ass story.

And the dub just makes it 3,000 times worse. No Dan Dan, no Hitori Janai, no pretty good final ep...it's just shit.

[Alzarath]

Anybody else think that Kaioshin(Supreme Kai) was a useless character?

I liked how he spent most, if not all, of the arc pissing his pants every time something happened. Did he even so much as throw a punch at Buu? :rofl:

[goodm0urning]

Did anyone else think some of the sagas just went on to long, sitting there going ok this shit needs to end by now.The comics are fairly well-paced, but the anime gets ridiculous at times. Like when Freeza gives Goku the notorious five minute warning, then episode after episode after episode goes by and they're still fighting.

[Cody Travers]

Dragon ball manga has to be my second favorite manga. First is jojo's bizarre adventure.

I just found this cool dragon ball news site
http://www.daizex.com/

[semijuggalo]

The whole point of GT was to try and take the series back to its roots, with the Dragonball hunting and lightheartedness of the first nine or ten episodes. I can see what they were trying to accomplish, but they botched it royally! Especially the way they made everybody take a backseat to Goku.

Oh, and I agree with Rhio, FUNi did manage to make a bad show worse when they advertised their version as being more edgy and extreme because they skipped the really lame first few episodes (which they later released as a "lost episodes" collection). Honestly, I will say that I liked the 'Step Into The Grand Tour' rap, not as an opening, but as a standalone song (I wonder if FUNi still has it for download?).

[goodm0urning]

I just found this cool dragon ball news site
http://www.daizex.com/Daizenshuu EX has been around forever. It used to be a second-generation DBZ site called "Vegetto EX's Page" or something to that effect.

To be honest, it's a little weird that it's still around. Mike has to be pushing 30 by now.

[scum gale 88]

dragonball GT is just changing or adding something that really isnt all that great. its the crystal pepsi of the dragonball legacy.

dragonball=peanut butter
dragonball Z=chocolate
dragonball GT=scorpions

putting scorpions in my pb&c isnt a smart idea. those fuckers STING, son!
fuck you "guy-who-thought-GT-was-a-good-idea" guy

[Allosaurus]

In GT everybody who isn't named Goku or Pan got nerfed to holy hell. I mean look at this one scene from DBGT. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=az0Oc00k0qI&feature=PlayList&p=64327049B2DFBC2B&index=2) I mean look how badly freaking Piccolo dies(?) from getting hit with a WEAK ass Kamehameha...Jesus Christ X_X

Also I watched the brief fight where Tien traps Cell in a hole and rapes him with Tri-Beams lolz :rofl:

[scum gale 88]

In GT everybody who isn't named Goku or Pan got nerfed to holy hell. I mean look at this one scene from DBGT. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=az0Oc00k0qI&feature=PlayList&p=64327049B2DFBC2B&index=2) I mean look how badly freaking Piccolo dies(?) from getting hit with a WEAK ass Kamehameha...Jesus Christ X_X

oh my gawd!

piccolo was TERRIFIED of that attack. he had ample time to get out of the way too! what were the writers thinking when they pulled a stunt like that!

is it just me or do the character designs in GT look....chubby?

[jae hoon]

I actually have a book with all the power rankings somewhere, I will see if I can find it.

[ReggieHadoken]

GT was complete and utter horse crap. I wouldn't use the dics or DVD cases to GT to wipe my own anus if it was the only thing in my apartment to wipe myself with. Hey, my butthole might be filthy but even it has some dignity. I actually saw that ep where Piccolo died to that horribly weak Kamehameha. Goku shot out a much bigger and deadlier wave at Piccolo in OG Dragon Ball in the World Tourney. Not even subs and original Japanese songs could save GT. It's just garbage.

Z was really drawn out and Toriyama-San reeally did get screwed by the faggot fans wanting things their way, but despite that, I still enjoyed Z, Androids/Cell, and Buu Sagas.

I do think VIZ Shonen Jump effed up by calling Vegito, ahem "Vegirott." According to wiki this was their way of sticking to the original names. If they wanted to do that, they should just called him Vegito. :confused:

Still need to get DBZ Season Three DVD set. Wal-Mart has it for $29.99, I believe

[scum gale 88]

Im confused, what happens per season? Im used to following things in "sagas" as opposed to seasons

[Allosaurus]

King Piccolo is pretty badass

[goodm0urning]

Im confused, what happens per season? Im used to following things in "sagas" as opposed to seasonsI have no idea how FUNimation chose to divide the whole series, but so far it's season one: arrival of Raditz to the Namek voyage, season two: arrival on Namek to the fight with Commander Ginyu, season three: from the end of the Ginyu Tokusentai to the finale of the whole Namek thing.

[Allosaurus]

Lol at how SSJ4 Goku is UBER-serious. I kinda like Super 17...is that bad?

[Ki Shima]

Yeah it should've easily ended there, but the writers for some reason (most likely giving into fans wanting Goku to save the day) had the good guys get the stupid bad guy talking too much syndrome, giving the bad guys the break they needed.

I believe Kid Buu was actually weaker than Super Buu because he no longer had Gotenks, Piccolo and Gohan absorbed. Only Super Buu with Gotenks and Piccolo absorbed could stand up to Gohan, and it had to take Vegetto to kick his ass and take away the absorptions to "weaken" him back to Kid Buu status. Mystic Gohan never had a chance to engage in a full fight with Kid Buu unfortunately... if he did, he probably could've won or at least, do as good or better than SS3 Goku since Goku ran outta energy eventually. Thank the writers for fucking that up too.

i always looked at that as after goku and vegeta split from a fusing technique that the supreme and elder kai said themselves was impossible to reverse from when its done, i looked at it as when they split they both halved the power of vegito because when they were inside super buu and was fighting gotenks power and mystic gohans power they werent even powered up to the max and they were handling them, if i remember piccolo was there too.

super buu didnt want to become kid buu because he would lose his mentality and spirit (or spirits) and become a monster again

[The Invincible Swordsman]

Question(s).......

In the DBZ movie called "The 3 Great Supersaiyans", Kakarotto absorbs a spirit bomb when he's a SSJ1 to power up and defeat Super Android #13. It powers him up to the point that Android #13 couldn't even punch him without his hand disintegrating. So........

How strong could absorbing a spirit bomb actually make Goku? Do you think he could do it as a SSJ2 or SSJ3?


This has been THE INVINCIBLE SWORDSMAN saying:

Yes, I know it's just the movie and it wasn't "canon". But still..... theoretically, how strong could that have made him if he was a SSJ3 and absorbed a Spirit Bomb from all the trees and animals on earth? Surely he would've dedeated Super Buu after he absorbed Gohan & Gotenks right?...... right?

[Allosaurus]

^ That's like people trying to gauge how strong Broly's broken ass is. I think Goku just absorbed his Spirit Bomb since it will be impossible for Goku to use the Genki-Dama with a heart full of anger and hatred (which is necessary in order to turn into a Super Saiyan).

[goodm0urning]

Yes, I know it's just the movie and it wasn't "canon". But still..... theoretically, how strong could that have made him if he was a SSJ3 and absorbed a Spirit Bomb from all the trees and animals on earth? Surely he would've dedeated Super Buu after he absorbed Gohan & Gotenks right?...... right?Theoretically, it's horseshit. He can't handle a Genki Dama and become a Super Saiyajin at the same time, in any way, shape, or form. It's made-up crap from the movie that violates the internal logic of the series. So it couldn't make him strong at all, since there isn't any situation--outside of tossing the rules completely out the window--in which it could happen.

[Rhio2k]

I kinda like Super 17...is that bad?

One-trick pony, he is...

[Allosaurus]

^ Only really neat GT design IMO. Omega Shenron looks like a Porcupine on acid.

[Sonichuman]

^ That's like people trying to gauge how strong Broly's broken ass is. I think Goku just absorbed his Spirit Bomb since it will be impossible for Goku to use the Genki-Dama with a heart full of anger and hatred (which is necessary in order to turn into a Super Saiyan).

GT should have ended with Goku doing the Toei punch...=D It's cheesy, easy, and completely fucks up anything...INCLUDING logic. What is Omega Shenron gonna do against that? NOTHIN!

oh and IMO Broly's at least SSJ2 in terms of power...I could see Super Perfect Cell(don't know exactly what to call that form of him when he comes back and what not) or Teen ssj2 gohan duking it out with him on even footing but anyone lower than that would probably end up eating a clothesline......unless they have the toei punch.

[Rhio2k]

I actually have a book with all the power rankings somewhere, I will see if I can find it.

Um...isn't all that "power level" crap just fan-junk since nobody's using scouters after the Freeza arc, and everybody just feels it, and have no need to quantify it?

[goodm0urning]

Um...isn't all that "power level" crap just fan-junk since nobody's using scouters after the Freeza arc, and everybody just feels it, and have no need to quantify it?This is true. It's not just that they stopped using scouters, it's that they resigned themselves to the fact that a character's battle power is too malleable to pin down. It can spike during a moment of rage, it can drop during a moment of rest, it can be suppressed, and so forth. Attempting to measure it became useless once every character worth a shit was basically in a constant state of flux in terms of power.

[Zan-kun]

Um...isn't all that "power level" crap just fan-junk since nobody's using scouters after the Freeza arc, and everybody just feels it, and have no need to quantify it?

Not exactly. All the powerlevels after the Freeza saga are completely fan made and fabricated. However, one of the Daizenshuus (aka an encyclopedia of DB knowledge) did list the relevant powerlevels up until a represed Future Trunks. This list is taken from a very reliable/OG DB website and is as follows (http://www.thegrandline.com/dbzinfo/):

26. Yes ladies and gentleman, it does exist! For the first time on the Internet, I present to you, a complete and ACCURATE list of every given power level in Dragon Ball and Dragon Ball Z! This list is taken directly from Dragon Ball Daizenshyu 7, and the manga. There can be no disputing these power levels, they're given by Toriyama himself. Notice there are no power levels given after the Freeza saga, that's because scouters weren't used again, except for once very briefly after the battle on Nameck. If you see a list of power levels on the Internet that has power levels AFTER the Freeza saga, don't trust it. It's only speculation and opinion. Also notice I haven't written down any controversial power levels, ex. Gokou as a baby. This was only shown in the TV Special, and the TV Specials, the anime, and movies are sort of like, "another dimension", of DB/Z. If anyone finds Baby Gokou's power in the manga, let me know, and I'll add it. So without further adue, I present you with the power levels of DB/Z.
Power Levels
Gokou's power level at the begining of Dragon Ball- 10
Gokou's Ohazoru power level at the begining of Dragon Ball- 100 *NOTE* Turning Ohazoru increases a Saiya-jin's power 10x.
Jackie Chun's *Kame Sennin's* power level during the 22 Tenkaichi Budoukai- 139
Gokou's power level at the 22 Tenkaichi Budoukai- 180
Tenshinhan's power level at the 22 Tenkaichi Budoukai- 180
Tsurusennin's power level- 120
Gokou's power level during the fight with Piccolo Daimaou- 260
Piccolo Daimaou's power level-260
Gohan's power level during the fight with Raditz- 1 to 1,307
Gokou's power level during the fight with Raditz- 416
Piccolo's power level during the fight with Raditz- 408
Raditz's power level- 1,500
Kuririn's power shortly after the fight with Raditz- 206
Kame Sennin's power level shortly after the fight with Raditz- 139
Tenshinhan's power level shortly after the fight with Raditz- 250
Yamucha's power level shortly after the fight with Raditz- 177
Gohan's power level right before the fight with the Saiya-jin- 981
Piccolo's power level right before the fight with the Saiya-jin- 1,220
Kuririn's power level right before the fight with the Saiya-jin- 1,083
Yamucha's power level during the fight with the Saibamen- 1,480
Kuririn's power level during the fight with the Saiya-jin- 1,770
Piccolo's power level during the fight with the Saiya-jin- 3,500
Chaozu's power level during the fight with the Saiya-jin- 610
Tenshinhan's power level during the fight with the Saiya-jin- 1,830
Gohan's power level during the fight with the Saiya-jin- 2,800
The Saibamen's power level- 1,200
Nappa's power level- 4,000
Vegita's power level when fighting Gokou- 18,000
Gokou's power level during the fight with Vegita- 8,000
Gokou's power level at 4x Kaiouken- 32,000
Gohan's max power level on Nameck- 14,000
Kuririn's max power level on Nameck- 13,000
Vegita's power level when he arrives on Nameck- 24,000
Vegita's max power level on Nameck- 30,000
Freeza's first form max power- 530,000
Nail's max power level- 42,000
A normal Fighter Nameck's power level- 1,000-3,000
Gokou's power level during the fight with the Ginyu Tokusentai- 90,000
Gokou's power level when fighting Ginyu himself- 180,000
Ginyu's max power level- 120,000
Ginyu's max power when in Gokou's body- 23,000
Gokou's power level when fighting Freeza- 300,000
Freeza's 50% power level- 6,000,000
Freeza's 100% power level- 12,000,000
Gokou's power level at Super Saiya-jin- 15,000,000 *NOTE* When Gokou returns to Earth, his Super Saiya-jin power level is even greater.
Trunks' surpressed power level when he first arrives- 5


So yeah. I'd say that website and Daizenshuu EX are on equal levels of fantastic-ness.

And GT wasn't complete crap IMO. The ending was tops. Everything else was just a variation of a great idea, but poor, poor execution. Maybe when DB is remade (it's bound to happen eventually), they'll redo GT.

[Allosaurus]

GT should have ended with Goku doing the Toei punch...=D It's cheesy, easy, and completely fucks up anything...INCLUDING logic. What is Omega Shenron gonna do against that? NOTHIN!


Didn't Omega get killed by a HUGE Genki Dama or something? Since Gogeta in GT has the personality of Gotenks?

The only good thing that happened in GT (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHCuGINdZTk&feature=PlayList&p=64327049B2DFBC2B&index=8)

^ And even that got kinda ruined cause Goku is so damn broken =/

[Sonichuman]

Didn't Omega get killed by a HUGE Genki Dama or something? Since Gogeta in GT has the personality of Gotenks?

The only good thing that happened in GT (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHCuGINdZTk&feature=PlayList&p=64327049B2DFBC2B&index=8)

^ And even that got kinda ruined cause Goku is so damn broken =/

'My size has has nothing to do with it freeza....cause now cause now I'm stronger than ever!' *dramatic cut from goku to frieza and cell's faces complete with over dramtized sound effects*...lol...sorry that beginning made me laugh...it was almost like goku had said the best come back line in history or something.

O.o...wow i haven't actually seen this scene....umm...what happened to Cell?...he looks....off....well compared to how he looked during Z anyway...maybe it's just me...

*pauses*....ok...wait a sec...ok..umm...i thought if you die in the after life...your spirit ceases to exist...isn't that what they said or alluded too in z? IIRC there was mention of something along these lines during the Buu saga...i can't remember who said it though.

....better plan of attack eh?......oh ho kay goku...whatever you say lol.

wow...straight clowned the entire fight...well...that was to be expected...complete with 'we have a chance to finish the job but we decide to talk to much' scene. Oh and yeah Omega Shenron played volley ball with goku using the spirit bomb...cept Goku did one spike and omega never recovered after that...game set and match.

[Allosaurus]

^ Yeah Cell does look kinda weird in certain scenes. Yeah and something like this did happen in the "Afterlife Tournament" filler arc...lemme see if I can find that scene. Goku goes False SSJ in it too lolz

[white shadow]

Didn't Omega get killed by a HUGE Genki Dama or something? Since Gogeta in GT has the personality of Gotenks?

The only good thing that happened in GT (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHCuGINdZTk&feature=PlayList&p=64327049B2DFBC2B&index=8)

^ And even that got kinda ruined cause Goku is so damn broken =/

Wait! What is this "Hell" they speak of?:wtf: It doesn't look as terrifying HFIL to me.

[goodm0urning]

Wait! What is this "Hell" they speak of?:wtf: It doesn't look as terrifying HFIL to me.HFIL? Is that located in another dimension?

[white shadow]

HFIL? Is that located in another dimension?

According to several sources (chiefly Vegeta), it is located in another dimension.

[Zor]

Someone here posted a link to every DBZ ep on Youtube not long ago, anyone have that list, or remember what thread it was in?

[Allosaurus]

Wait! What is this "Hell" they speak of?:wtf: It doesn't look as terrifying HFIL to me.

HIFL is actually a pretty fucked up-looking place in DBZ IIRC...

Goku goes False SSJ here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RM28tTX1XNs&feature=PlayList&p=8638255FA095DCB0&index=11)

[ProfessorS]

Does anyone besides me think the quality of the animation in DBZ went down big time between season 2 and 3? I watched the trailers for the new season DVDs(which seem awesome by the way) and the first half of the Freeza saga looks pretty good, b