Is there a Dragon Ball Z thread? If not...

[Tizoc]

I'm going to avoid any kind of DBZ debate because.....those never end.
alot of people just need to accept that DBZ is poorly written and explained in alot of areas. No, I'm not a hater, I'm just being real. DBZ makes no fucking sense. I think they really messed up by introducing the scouters and started putting fighting ability in how much energy the characters generate and not how much skill they have.

But fond memories I guess.

Cell is still the greatest mofo ever. That nigga just wanted a fight. His design was really stupid, but I liked his persona.

EDIT: ROFL TS.

No problems there mate, but...
DBZ stopped making sense once the fans wanted Toriyama to continue the series after the Freeza arc. The series could've been handled better after the Freeza arc, but we got what we got.

[Azrael]

Y'know what, I've had a change of heart. Sure, Tien can keep up with, or even beat Freeza. I mean, he pushed back Cell! Cell, who was like a billion times stronger than Freeza! That's all the proof I need.

But...hey...I just thought of something. Perfect Cell backhanded Mr. Satan, and Mr. Satan LIVED and didn't suffer any major injuries. You know that if that had been Freeza, he would have disintegrated into baby powder. OMG, Mr. Satan's power levels are in the MILLIONS!

And while I'm thinking about it...Chi Chi SLAPPED Super Buu, and it actually made him turn his head! If that had been Freeza, not only would Buu not have turned his head, but Freeza would have broken his hand in several different places. OMG, Chi Chi's power level is in the billions!*

This one I actually sort of believe, considering how hard she owned Goku, I figure Chi Chi's power level is Goku's x10.

[Shade]

Y'know what, I've had a change of heart. Sure, Tien can keep up with, or even beat Freeza. I mean, he pushed back Cell! Cell, who was like a billion times stronger than Freeza! That's all the proof I need.

But...hey...I just thought of something. Perfect Cell backhanded Mr. Satan, and Mr. Satan LIVED and didn't suffer any major injuries. You know that if that had been Freeza, he would have disintegrated into baby powder. OMG, Mr. Satan's power levels are in the MILLIONS!

And while I'm thinking about it...Chi Chi SLAPPED Super Buu, and it actually made him turn his head! If that had been Freeza, not only would Buu not have turned his head, but Freeza would have broken his hand in several different places. OMG, Chi Chi's power level is in the billions!*

This one I actually sort of believe, considering how hard she owned Goku, I figure Chi Chi's power level is Goku's x10.

lol nice

[The Epidemic]

lol @ AZ

[fishjie]

don't forget, in the filler after kirllin cuts buu in half, buu beats up krillin.

BUT KRILLIN SURVIVES!!!!!

clearly only a super saiyan 3 could do that

edit: come to think of it, fat buu beat up gohan in super saiyan form, and gohan basically went on life support. whereas krillin was alright. conclusion: krillin > gohan

[maxx]

chi chi's a crazy cunt for a reason. i honestly believe their has to be a serious logical explanation why human women own saiyans for fucking free.

white women are to black men, as human women are to saiya-jin.

[fishjie]

oh i'm also curious how everyone would tier babidi's monsters?

i'm guessing the first guy is so weak even yamcha could take him.

the second guy maybe is like ginyu force

the demon dude is probably on cell level. but cell would probably beat him.

[Higher-Jin]

Meh. Those two piss themselves over everything. All the Z-Fighters do.

Yamcha especially, since he's Mr. "I get killed by the weakest villian possible". I mean, even after that 100x+ Kaio-training, that fool still got beasted by Dr. Gero.

Dr. Gero.

I'm somewhat surprised that Yamcha didn't die to Babadi.

Uno Ha, na? EDIT: Oh, so you were talking to Shade. Er...half-disregard my post then.

Yeah Yamcha was a fucking loser. Lost Bulma to the biggest asshole on the planet, got beasted by a plant (What is this "The Happening?") and got a hand through his chest by the android with the absolute worst sense of fashion. Yellow with black stripes, seriously?

And he was cocky too, even though he was by far the weakest one out of all of them. It's like his whole life is directed by M. Night Shyamalan. And the plot twist ending is: he's Dan with a wolf fetish, basically.

He did have the coolest techniques though. The Spirit Ball and Wolf Gang Fist were awesome, and let's be frank, a waste on him. Give them to Trunks, or hell give them to Goku. The fucker steals everything anyway.

m guessing the first guy is so weak even yamcha could take him.

the second guy maybe is like ginyu force

the demon dude is probably on cell level. but cell would probably beat him.

Anyone but Yamcha could take the first one, that whole 15x gravity thing wasn't going to cut it on anyone but him. The second guy was far above Ginyu Force. It's hard to say exactly where though, but he was probably Android level at least. Dabura was specifically said to be Perfect Cell level (if not a little a stronger) and they chastised Gohan for slacking off and being unable to beat him.

[The Epidemic]

edit: come to think of it, fat buu beat up gohan in super saiyan form, and gohan basically went on life support. whereas krillin was alright. conclusion: krillin > gohan

makes sense to me.

[maxx]

Yeah Yamcha was a fucking loser. Lost Bulma to the biggest asshole on the planet, got beasted by a plant (What is this "The Happening?") and got a hand through his chest by the androids with the absolute worst sense of fashion. Yellow with black stripes, seriously?

And he was cocky too, even though he was by far the weakest one out of all of them. It's like his whole life is directed by M. Night Shyamalan. And the plot twist ending is: he's Dan with a wolf fetish, basically.

He did have the coolest techniques though. The Spirit Ball and Wolf Gang Fist were a waste on him. Give them to Trunks, hell give them to Goku. The fucker steals everything anyway.

:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

yamcha was basically a shit tier gambit.

and honestly u cant hold bulma going to vegeta....i mean his dick glows gold...according to every dbz hentai...the one running theme in them all..they all go gold when they go ssj...oddest thing ever.

[The Damned]

:rofl: at everything above me starting at AZ's post.

conclusion: krillin > gohan

In terms of usefulness, they're actually surprisingly close.

...God, I never thought I would say that.

chi chi's a crazy cunt for a reason.

Chichi has two very good reasons: Reason 1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MPurYPlKgOs) and Reason 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PgVO5buxXQE&watch_response).*

the demon dude is probably on cell level. but cell would probably beat him.

Yeah, he was probably way weaker than Cell, but I think he could take Cell just by turning him to stone since that seemed to spread on a celluar level.

I actually kind of liked him, especially considering shortly after he was introducted he just DESTROYED Kabuto's (or whatever the barely stronger weak-ass Kai's assistant's name was) annoying weak ass.

He did have the coolest techniques though. The Spirit Ball and Wolf Gang Fist were awesome, and let's be frank, a waste on him. Give them to Trunks, or hell give them to Goku. The fucker steals everything anyway.

Hehe.

and honestly u cant hold bulma going to vegeta....i mean his dick glows gold...according to every dbz hentai...the one running theme in them all..they all go gold when they go ssj...oddest thing ever.

God I don't want know how you know that and yet...it's so obvious.

Shudder.

I still say that Super Aryan Hitler is the strongest human if we're going by filler. I mean, Hitler was in one of the movies too, right?

[maxx]

:rofl: at everything above me starting at AZ's post.



In terms of usefulness, they're actually surprisingly close.

...God, I never thought I would say that.



Chichi has two very good reasons: Reason 1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MPurYPlKgOs) and Reason 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PgVO5buxXQE&watch_response).*



Yeah, he was probably way weaker than Cell, but I think he could take Cell just by turning him to stone since that seemed to spread on a celluar level.

I actually kind of liked him, especially considering shortly after he was introducted he just DESTROYED Kabuto's (or whatever the barely stronger weak-ass Kai's assistant's name was) annoying weak ass.



Hehe.



God I don't want know how you know that and yet...it's so obvious.

Shudder.

I still say that Super Aryan Hitler is the strongest human if we're going by filler. I mean, Hitler was in one of the movies too, right?

lol hitler got owned by trunks and goten..non ssj form.

[TS]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0mExnUHAGKk 3:10

Another sexy Piccolo moment.

[fishjie]

speaking of the kais, didnt the supreme kai paralyze gohan? why didnt the kai just paralyze buu t hen. wtf.

anywho, the supremes kai's assistant seemed pretty weak. i bet even yamcha would rape him.

i guess the demon kings turn to stone ability *would* help if he had to fight cell. i'm guessing the regeneration abilities wouldnt work for cell, since piccolo got turned to stone as well. demon guy could beat frieza, since he was even with rusty gohan, who would have raped frieza as a super saiyan.

more interesting is how the humans would have done against the first two monsters

[Sonichuman]

The clip that SH posted made me go "why did I ever like this bullshit?"

because...it's DBZ...and it's full of testosterone. People punch other people in the face, people get vaped, people die, people come back to life and all of it is held to gether by a nice weak thick paste of Elmer's Glue called story. Another thing being that DBZ was probably for most of us the first anime we've seen where 'gods' battled it out on a regular basis. Nothing in America was ever showing shit like this before...it has an appeal...ya know?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0mExnUHAGKk 3:10

Another sexy Piccolo moment.

lol @ Piccolo at 3:38

I can just see Piccolo's thought process....

Piccollo:.....(d-...did this dude just jizz some green shit on me?)
Babadi: ha ha ha!
Piccollo:....(What the hell..now it's trying to impregnating me! This magician is a sick fuck!)

[The Damned]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0mExnUHAGKk 3:10

Another sexy Piccolo moment.

That clip actually reminds me of how far Piccolo had fallen by that point since he was no longer smart enough to vaporize Babidi's body at the end of that.

Speaking of which, I don't remember how Babidi's death (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S_6VxWflL38&feature=related) was edited for TV. I also don't remember how they edited this guy's death (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QeW5XEaIfmQ&feature=related), perhaps they didn't since they left Cell's equally freaky ass absorption in (probably because there's no blood, since that's only thing that makes thing tramuatic :rolleyes: ). (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aRt6CaFyJvQ&feature=related)

It's hard to tell considering the way they haphazardly edited Raditz's death. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9XrokL3D10w&feature=related)

[Kusanagi02]

Piccollo got jobbed hard during the Buu Saga and was just straight up abandoned during GT.
Hell did he even have any use during GT?
At least during the Buu saga he helped train Goten and Trunks.

[Biolink]

Why does Vegeta allow Bra to dress like a whore?

And oh yeah, do Bulma and Vegeta ever get married?

If they ever did, I think that would actually make a pretty cool OAV.

Vegeta walking down the aisle, in a Tuxedo?

Could you ever imagine that? The guy who would have blown up Earth if hadn't been for Goku's assistants(Gohan and surprisingly Yajirobe)

[Hood Hair]

piccolo's best fight was when he fought 17.

i love when cell interrupted their fight and powered up. piccolo just stood there(knowing there wasnt anything he could do about it (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=flnIqDtls3A)) while cell walked right pass him. then he cracks piccolo in the jaw so hard it breaks his neck:rofl:. and cell wasnt satisfied with that so he blows off half of his stomach. 1:13. 17 "no! what a beast":rofl: i hate the english music and dialogue but the music fit perfect that moment. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhLIXvfcrvU):rofl:

i love piccolo's Gekiretsu Kōdan(light grenade) even though it had no effect on cell

[Hood Hair]

Why does Vegeta allow Bra to dress like a whore?

yo i hate the english version but i love the one when vegeta shaves his mustache.
"goten just a second. notice anything different huh?" :rofl:
"I SHAVED MY MUSTACHE YOU IDIOT!" :rofl:

and when bra tells him he needs to shave cause he looks like a total geek.:rofl:
i love how he was in the spotlight with his head down really hurt by what she said.:rofl: ugha uugghha.........
he thought he was sexy as hell in the mirror
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8_BDgy7s3c)

[Lantis]

His entrance vs Freeza was one of my favorite moments in DBZ. Freeza was just beasting on everyone, literally because he'd just grown horns and gored Krillin IIRC. Then Piccolo comes in and they had that epic music in the background (I've only seen the Japanese versions of a lot of eps), and it's just so pimpy, so hardcore.

And then he got owned.

:rofl: The history of Piccolo's life (especially in the movies, where he always makes the badass save, and then gets owned 3 seconds later). :wasted:

Still can't believe how Piccolo went out like a bitch in DBGT, though.

Seriously, FUCK DBGT! :arazz:

[Biolink]

piccolo's best fight was when he fought 17.

i love when cell interrupted their fight and powered up. piccolo just stood there(knowing there wasnt anything he could do about it (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=flnIqDtls3A)) while cell walked right pass him. then he cracks piccolo in the jaw so hard it breaks his neck:rofl:. and cell wasnt satisfied with that so he blows off half of his stomach. 1:13. 17 "no! what a beast":rofl: i hate the english music and dialogue but the music fit perfect that moment. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhLIXvfcrvU):rofl:

i love piccolo's Gekiretsu Kōdan(light grenade) even though it had no effect on cell

"He's such a beast"

:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

yo i hate the english version but i love the one when vegeta shaves his mustache.
"goten just a second. notice anything different huh?" :rofl:
"I SHAVED MY MUSTACHE YOU IDIOT!" :rofl:

and when bra tells him he needs to shave cause he looks like a total geek.:rofl:
i love how he was in the spotlight with his head down really hurt by what she said.:rofl: ugha uugghha.........
he thought he was sexy as hell in the mirror
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8_BDgy7s3c)

Hahaha.

What did he think he was doing with that ridiculous Freddie Mercury mustache?

[white shadow]

yo i hate the english version but i love the one when vegeta shaves his mustache.
"goten just a second. notice anything different huh?" :rofl:
"I SHAVED MY MUSTACHE YOU IDIOT!" :rofl:

and when bra tells him he needs to shave cause he looks like a total geek.:rofl:
i love how he was in the spotlight with his head down really hurt by what she said.:rofl: ugha uugghha.........
he thought he was sexy as hell in the mirror
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8_BDgy7s3c)

:rofl::rofl::rofl:


Yamcha used to be the shit in DB, I loved when they showed him training for the tournament at night and he performed Wolf Fang Fist with the illusion of a wolf running instead of him until the end. ARRROOOO!!!

Now he's an epic jobber who lost Bulma to a murdering egotist, amazing.

[Ki Shima]

remember when trunks met the androids of goku's time he mentioned to goku that these androids are stronger than the ones in his world

I have a good feeling that dbz will return in some shape or form, i wouldnt know how i would want it to be though? if it would be better with new people? or better with the same people with more emphasize on comedy

[Tigerboi]

because...it's DBZ...and it's full of testosterone. People punch other people in the face, people get vaped, people die, people come back to life and all of it is held to gether by a nice weak thick paste of Elmer's Glue called story. Another thing being that DBZ was probably for most of us the first anime we've seen where 'gods' battled it out on a regular basis. Nothing in America was ever showing shit like this before...it has an appeal...ya know?


I was first introduced DB as a little kid. And I learned of the DBZ dub in fifth grade. Even to this day I think DB is infinitely superior to DBZ in just about every aspect. Unlike DBZ, DB lost ALOT in the english dub so it never had a chance of catching on in america.


I understand where the appeal comes in. It was like nothing the U.S. had ever seen in an animated show. You had to read comics to get some of what DBZ had to offer.


But...DBZ isn't even good when the fights begin to me. I mean shit, there are alot more dramatic stare downs, talking, powering up (like the scouter, imo, powering up was one of the worst concepts ever introduced) and lame jokes then there is actual fighting.

Not that the fighting stayed fresh. My mind goes directly to the infamous dust clouds that signify every "did I get him!?" moment of DBZ. And the, "they're moving so fast you can't see them......this is really just an excuse to cut down on animation costs." fights.

[Lantis]

But...DBZ isn't even good when the fights begin to me. I mean shit, there are alot more dramatic stare downs, talking, powering up (like the scouter, imo, powering up was one of the worst concepts ever introduced) and lame jokes then there is actual fighting.

Not that the fighting stayed fresh. My mind goes directly to the infamous dust clouds that signify every "did I get him!?" moment of DBZ. And the, "they're moving so fast you can't see them......this is really just an excuse to cut down on animation costs." fights.

Another thing that really annoyed me was the whole "You're not fighting at full strength!" BS. Seriously, the guys fight for like 3 episodes straight, and then they come out with this "I'm holding back!" crap. How many times did Final Frieza said how much of his power he was using? And by the time he reached 100%, it didn't even matter because SSJ Goku whipped his ass.

[Biolink]

remember when trunks met the androids of goku's time he mentioned to goku that these androids are stronger than the ones in his world

I have a good feeling that dbz will return in some shape or form, i wouldnt know how i would want it to be though? if it would be better with new people? or better with the same people with more emphasize on comedy

I could see them doing both.

With new characters they can reset the series.

With the old characters there is the familiarity of knowing who they are, but Goku's dead or merged with the Dragon or whatever the fuck happened at the end of DBGT. All that remains is Vegeta, so it can't necessarily be a continuation.

As long as they can produce Saiyans the series will be fine.

[Hood Hair]

Hahaha.

What did he think he was doing with that ridiculous Freddie Mercury mustache?

goku told him every cool human has one.:rofl:

[goodm0urning]

I was first introduced DB as a little kid. And I learned of the DBZ dub in fifth grade. Even to this day I think DB is infinitely superior to DBZ in just about every aspect. Unlike DBZ, DB lost ALOT in the english dub so it never had a chance of catching on in america.Are you kidding? FUNimation didn't discriminate between DB and DBZ. Both of them are butchered to hell and back. Very little of what I like in either series made its way into the Americanized versions.

As for the quality of the series, I'd argue that DB took a while before it really picked up steam, and Z maintained that level of quality through at least the first couple of story arcs before it started to slide.

[Sonichuman]

I was first introduced DB as a little kid. And I learned of the DBZ dub in fifth grade. Even to this day I think DB is infinitely superior to DBZ in just about every aspect. Unlike DBZ, DB lost ALOT in the english dub so it never had a chance of catching on in america.


I understand where the appeal comes in. It was like nothing the U.S. had ever seen in an animated show. You had to read comics to get some of what DBZ had to offer.


But...DBZ isn't even good when the fights begin to me. I mean shit, there are alot more dramatic stare downs, talking, powering up (like the scouter, imo, powering up was one of the worst concepts ever introduced) and lame jokes then there is actual fighting.

Not that the fighting stayed fresh. My mind goes directly to the infamous dust clouds that signify every "did I get him!?" moment of DBZ. And the, "they're moving so fast you can't see them......this is really just an excuse to cut down on animation costs." fights.

Ahhh yess....the 'Unwritten Rules of the world of DBZ'

DBZ has always been critisized for it's powering up sequences...especially when they're exaggerated to take several episodes (far as i remember the only moves that required more than one episode was the spirit bomb...but spirit bomb is understandable lol) Powering up sequences were never really that long to me..and like someone pointed out earlier..they're even shorter in the manga. The anime writers I imagined wanted to dramatize it further.

I see where you're coming from with the 'they're moving so fast comment' but that was also their way of trying to portray how fast these guys were moving...There's only but so many different ways you can throw a punch or a kick to make it look different and most dbz fights around the time that Saiyan Saga Vegeta starts showing up most punches and kicks have already been done like 2 minutes into the fight. I'm pretty sure that back then animating this show was still a bitch and if they ever decided to redo it..It would probably be even more so today. When I first watched through this show back in Middle/High school days I thought they did a really good job for its time in portraying the power and speed that these guys had when they were going at it. With my experience now you can easily see where these guys took shortcuts and often times when the series suddenly takes a jump in visual quality. As with most Sci-Fi things...you're supposed to suspend your disbelief....until your lightsaber clashes with a bo staff...then you're going to have to suspend it twice over.

Unwritten Rules of DBZ:
1. If someone is powering up...watch them do it instead of doing the logical thing and trying to stop them before they reach full power. Some characters do break this rule (see Super Buu before fighting Gotenks and how Trunks complains about it)

2. Despite the fact that you can't see said villian/or person in cloud of dust...assume that they are dead. OR fire fifty thousand or so weaker blasts into the cloud and hope that it hit em because that blast you took 10 minutes to charge didn't kill him...definitely means that the other thousand significantly weaker blasts will.

3. When in doubt...blow the planet up (most of the villains will live and die by this)

There were a few more but I can't think of them at the moment lol

[Adam Warlock]

With the old characters there is the familiarity of knowing who they are, but Goku's dead or merged with the Dragon or whatever the fuck happened at the end of DBGT.

This one should be called Goku Balls.

[Ki Shima]

DBZ was always about the imagination, and having a theme based around historical legend brought to the future you have a mix that is rare to find

the powering up nobody ever complained about them around here while it was happening (maybe once or twice) cos we all know we were imagining what would happen next, it was the characters moment and was one thing that GT was missing that acually added to the show, no other show is like DBZ, it was extremely popular for a good reason, a reason in which you dont find in any other manga/anime today (except naruto on a good day)

[Hood Hair]

Unwritten Rules of DBZ:
1. If someone is powering up...watch them do it instead of doing the logical thing and trying to stop them before they reach full power. Some characters do break this rule (see Super Buu before fighting Gotenks and how Trunks complains about it)

2. Despite the fact that you can't see said villian/or person in cloud of dust...assume that they are dead. OR fire fifty thousand or so weaker blasts into the cloud and hope that it hit em because that blast you took 10 minutes to charge didn't kill him...definitely means that the other thousand significantly weaker blasts will.

3. When in doubt...blow the planet up (most of the villains will live and die by this)

There were a few more but I can't think of them at the moment lol


omg that was soooo hilarious. trunks just said time out. you supposed to wait for the fusion geeeez now don't move wait for the fusion:rofl::rofl::rofl:
one of the funniest moments

[Sonichuman]

DBZ was always about the imagination, and having a theme based around historical legend brought to the future you have a mix that is rare to find

the powering up nobody ever complained about them around here while it was happening (maybe once or twice) cos we all know we were imagining what would happen next, it was the characters moment and was one thing that GT was missing that acually added to the show, no other show is like DBZ, it was extremely popular for a good reason, a reason in which you dont find in any other manga/anime today (except naruto on a good day)

Bleach takes a lot of elements from DBZ too probably more so in some areas than Naruto. Bleach doesn't have long power up phases but they still are there. In fact A lot of shonen jump series would probably be different today if it wasn't for Akira Toriyama's testosterone filled story. Naruto is sort of like what DBZ would be...cept with Ninjas and without the Dragonball wishes plot device. Personally I think Naruto (as a whole...not talking about filler and I'm including Shippuden in the group) does a better job of handling things than DBZ. Bleach is DBZ...if the good characters NEVER DIED. Not to mention that both those other series do a better job of focusing on other characters other than the main one from what I've seen so far...but then again I don't think the fans are hounding the creators to stretch their stories farther than they wanted them to be...Both from the outset had longevity in mind. I haven't watched enough One Piece to compare it to DBZ so I'm not sure exactly what elements from the series they took and where they strayed.

[Ki Shima]

Bleach takes a lot of elements from DBZ too probably more so in some areas than Naruto. Bleach doesn't have long power up phases but they still are there. In fact A lot of shonen jump series would probably be different today if it wasn't for Akira Toriyama's testosterone filled story. Naruto is sort of like what DBZ would be...cept with Ninjas and without the Dragonball wishes plot device. Personally I think Naruto (as a whole...not talking about filler and I'm including Shippuden in the group) does a better job of handling things than DBZ. Bleach is DBZ...if the good characters NEVER DIED. Not to mention that both those other series do a better job of focusing on other characters other than the main one from what I've seen so far...but then again I don't think the fans are hounding the creators to stretch their stories farther than they wanted them to be...Both from the outset had longevity in mind. I haven't watched enough One Piece to compare it to DBZ so I'm not sure exactly what elements from the series they took and where they strayed.

I feel the same about that comparison, but how I see it (maybe cos ive hardly watched bleach much) the characters conflicts in naruto are more interesting, naruto has bettered DBZ in making sense of it all(to a certain extent) but what is confusing about it is more deeper than DBZ's mis-translations. kishi's been very careful with not powering up people too much and making the science in the fight more important.

no other anime can put as much drama in a hit as DBZ has done, and I know they've tried :rofl:

I'd like to say though that no other anime has fighting quite as beautiful as the street fighter 2 animated movie.

if you believe there is then please show me :wonder:

[Artayes]

1. If someone is powering up...watch them do it instead of doing the logical thing and trying to stop them before they reach full power. Some characters do break this rule (see Super Buu before fighting Gotenks and how Trunks complains about it)



don't forget when Future trunks tried to stop Cell during his perfect transformation with no effect. poor Trunks. :shake:

[Sonichuman]

I feel the same about that comparison, but how I see it (maybe cos ive hardly watched bleach much) the characters conflicts in naruto are more interesting, naruto has bettered DBZ in making sense of it all(to a certain extent) but what is confusing about it is more deeper than DBZ's mis-translations. kishi's been very careful with not powering up people too much and making the science in the fight more important.

no other anime can put as much drama in a hit as DBZ has done, and I know they've tried :rofl:

I'd like to say though that no other anime has fighting quite as beautiful as the street fighter 2 animated movie.

if you believe there is then please show me :wonder:

Does Brutality count as beautiful? If so I'm throwing in Baki the Grappler.

And for drama into a hit that's comparable to dbz...hmmmm...there's probably a lot more than you think. I think the build up for the 'one punch to rule them all' that Haku took from Naruto after he had just started to go berserk definitely had plenty of drama behind it...

The whole Ichigo vs Byakuya fight I felt had plenty of drama backing it up by that point.

and from what I've watched from One Piece...Luffy has no qualms with just waltzing up to anybody he has a problem with and punching them in the face without warning.

oh wait you want me to show you?

...well currently I can't find the clip of Naruto delivering that punch...it's entirely too cluttered with amv's currently for me to shift through that currently...

Edit:
don't forget when Future trunks tried to stop Cell during his perfect transformation with no effect. poor Trunks. :shake:

thus I said some characters do break that rule but like 85% of the time they don't. And even then Vegeta was like..

Vegeta: wait wait hold on! He's not fully powered up yet so we gotta let him do that!
Trunks:...what are you fuckin nuts!?
Vegeta: *tosses him the big book of unwritten dbz rules* read that
Trunks: *flips through* OOHHHHHHhhh...I don't get it...*punches vegeta in the face with the book* RAGE!?

Trunks wasn't able to get the memo cause he was from the future...where everyone else was dead lol. Thus why Kid Trunks knows the rule and Future doesn't.

[Ki Shima]

Does Brutality count as beautiful? If so I'm throwing in Baki the Grappler.

And for drama into a hit that's comparable to dbz...hmmmm...there's probably a lot more than you think. I think the build up for the 'one punch to rule them all' that Haku took from Naruto after he had just started to go berserk definitely had plenty of drama behind it...

The whole Ichigo vs Byakuya fight I felt had plenty of drama backing it up by that point.

and from what I've watched from One Piece...Luffy has no qualms with just waltzing up to anybody he has a problem with and punching them in the face without warning.

oh wait you want me to show you?

...well currently I can't find the clip of Naruto delivering that punch...it's entirely too cluttered with amv's currently for me to shift through that currently...

yeah I've been meaning to check out one piece, i will eventually. but i think what made it easy for dragon ball Z to have that drama is the fact that if someone said they have more power than the next person then you know a big fight is about to happen :rofl:

[Sonichuman]

^^^^ I don't know if that's so much 'drama' then 'my dick is bigger than yours'. The way how I'm thinking...I'm thinking of 'drama' as the reasoning behind why the fighting is taking place in the first place and how that translates into the fights.

[Kusanagi02]

Vegeta: wait wait hold on! He's not fully powered up yet so we gotta let him do that!
Trunks:...what are you fuckin nuts!?
Vegeta: *tosses him the big book of unwritten dbz rules* read that
Trunks: *flips through* OOHHHHHHhhh...I don't get it...*punches vegeta in the face with the book* RAGE!?

Trunks wasn't able to get the memo cause he was from the future...where everyone else was dead lol. Thus why Kid Trunks knows the rule and Future doesn't.

Yeah i fuckin hated when Vegeta did that shit. Inches away from killing off Cell and he up and decides to let him go Perfect. WTF!!!
Dude would've had bragging rights over everyone if he killed off Cell.

[Ki Shima]

^^^^ I don't know if that's so much 'drama' then 'my dick is bigger than yours'. The way how I'm thinking...I'm thinking of 'drama' as the reasoning behind why the fighting is taking place in the first place and how that translates into the fights.

that's the thing, dragon ball z plot was usually really easy to get into but with anime today you NEED to watch from early on to keep your attention.

a place I would show a friend that wanted to get into DBZ i would say watch from a couple of episodes before goku arrived on namek, the viewer get's to understand the madness of dbz's villains and heroes and get a firm introduction to the main character of the show.

what episode would be the best to start watching one piece?

[white shadow]

what episode would be the best to start watching one piece?

Episode one.

[Biolink]

Yeah i fuckin hated when Vegeta did that shit. Inches away from killing off Cell and he up and decides to let him go Perfect. WTF!!!
Dude would've had bragging rights over everyone if he killed off Cell.

For plot purposes Goku is a Naive dumbass(I mean come on, he gave Frieza a million second chances when they fought on Namek. HE FUCKING MURDERED KRILLIN AND GOKU STILL WAS DUMB ENOUGH TO GIVE HIM A 2ND CHANCE!!!!)

For plot purposes they made Vegeta into a Self-Absorbed, Arrogant, Dumb Ass who won't pass up a good fight

Both are cop-out's to give the bad guy a 2nd chance to power up and come back stronger than he was before.

Vegeta did kind of make up for it, when he got mad that Cell killed Trunks, powered up and then shot a blast at Cell during his match with Gohan.

Gave Gohan just enough time to overpower Cell.

[goodm0urning]

Goku being naive and Vegeta being arrogant aren't necessarily plot devices. They're relevant characterization. These traits were, however, abused pretty heavily, especially as Dragon Ball started to get long in the tooth. Goku wanting to spare Freeza, I accept. Goku wants to spare everybody. Some of his best friends used to be his worst enemies. When Freeza turned out to be irredeemable, Goku did what he had to do. Vegeta sparing Cell is pretty outrageous.

[The Damned]

yo i hate the english version but i love the one when vegeta shaves his mustache.
"goten just a second. notice anything different huh?" :rofl:
"I SHAVED MY MUSTACHE YOU IDIOT!" :rofl: (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8_BDgy7s3c)

Lol, he's pronounces like he's French royalty too. :rofl:

I forgot how much he looked like a gay biker daddy in GT with the 'stache.

...I also forgot how MILF-y Bulma and Chichi look.

Why does Chichi look better when she's older? :confused:

[Shade]

Goku being naive and Vegeta being arrogant aren't necessarily plot devices. They're relevant characterization. These traits were, however, abused pretty heavily, especially as Dragon Ball started to get long in the tooth. Goku wanting to spare Freeza, I accept. Goku wants to spare everybody. Some of his best friends used to be his worst enemies. When Freeza turned out to be irredeemable, Goku did what he had to do. Vegeta sparing Cell is pretty outrageous.

Vegeta didn't wanna "spare" Cell. He wanted to fight Cell at his supposed more powerful form, because Vegeta thought he was King Big Dick after training in the RoSaT, and no matter what Cell did, he'd beat him.

He's always been like that (arrogant). He did it with Freeza, aswell.

[Hood Hair]

Lol, he's pronounces like he's French royalty too. :rofl:

I forgot how much he looked like a gay biker daddy in GT with the 'stache.

...I also forgot how MILF-y Bulma and Chichi look.

Why does Chichi look better when she's older? :confused:

:rofl: "diary of a milf." bulma is nina hartley and chi chi is ava devine. chi chi had to be cheating on goku cause he was barely home(too busy training, saving the earth and dying) and women have needs :wgrin:

[goodm0urning]

Vegeta didn't wanna "spare" Cell. He wanted to fight Cell at his supposed more powerful form, because Vegeta thought he was King Big Dick after training in the RoSaT, and no matter what Cell did, he'd beat him.Yeah, I'm aware that Vegeta allowing Cell to live was not intended as a long-term arrangement.

Point is, Vegeta's arrogance towards Cell was pushing the boundaries of ridiculousness. With Freeza, it made some sense. Vegeta had a personal stake in it, and not to mention, it had taken the combined efforts of all the Z-senshi (the ones who weren't dead, at least) to take him down back on Earth. So he had yet to be truly humbled in one-on-one combat.

The whole "let Cell reach his perfect form; gee, won't it be fun to slap him around once that happens?" thing was on the verge of self-parody.

[Shade]

Yeah, I'm aware that Vegeta allowing Cell to live was not intended as a long-term arrangement.

Point is, Vegeta's arrogance towards Cell was pushing the boundaries of ridiculousness. With Freeza, it made some sense. Vegeta had a personal stake in it, and not to mention, it had taken the combined efforts of all the Z-senshi (the ones who weren't dead, at least) to take him down back on Earth. So he had yet to be truly humbled in one-on-one combat.

The whole "let Cell reach his perfect form; gee, won't it be fun to slap him around once that happens?" thing was on the verge of self-parody.

I'm just gonna disagree with you, and state I feel it was perfectly within character.

[VG Emblem]

Could Vegeta even have killed Cell, though? I don't recall Vegeta ever really being too adept at creating super-powerful energy blasts, which would've been necessary to completely kill Cell.

[Shade]

Could Vegeta even have killed Cell, though?

He was far more powerful, and completely capable of obliterating cell at that point.

I don't recall Vegeta ever really being too adept at creating super-powerful energy blasts, which would've been necessary to completely kill Cell.

Galick Gun? Big Bang Attack? Hell, a good ol Ki Blast could would have done it, due to the difference in their power.

[goodm0urning]

Galick Gun? Big Bang Attack? Hell, a good ol Ki Blast could would have done it, due to the difference in their power.If he'd have cut loose with the Final Flash just a little earlier, he could have done it.

Come to think of it, all of the real fighters embarrassed the shit out of themselves during the whole jinzouningen/Cell arc. In the end, the fucking schoolboy had to show everyone how it's done.

[VG Emblem]

But that was never really Vegeta's thing, is what I mean. Goku even says that Vegeta has shitty finishing moves when he was fighting him in Majin form.

[The Epidemic]

^lol what?? im not to familiar with the buu saga but last time i checked vegeta killed waaay more ppl than goku. So how does his finishing moves suck?

What was that attack he did on kui on namek? That shit was hot.

Edit: this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJnvz6rEtuE

[Kusanagi02]

Could Vegeta even have killed Cell, though? I don't recall Vegeta ever really being too adept at creating super-powerful energy blasts, which would've been necessary to completely kill Cell.

Final Flash maybe.
I mean he was fighting Cell in his second form, so i guarantee he could've finished the job and outright killed him.

[maxx]

Final Flash maybe.
I mean he was fighting Cell in his second form, so i guarantee he could've finished the job and outright killed him.

yeah vegeta coulda killed cell..and cell knew it thats why he got baited by cell to allow him to go to his final form.

[fishjie]

vegeta blew up planets

speaking of which, could the humans have blown up planets by the end?

[goodm0urning]

vegeta blew up planets

speaking of which, could the humans have blown up planets by the end?Fuck, probably. Everyone is so ridiculous by the end of the series that Kuririn could probably dust off at least a small planet here or there.

[maxx]

Fuck, probably. Everyone is so ridiculous by the end of the series that Kuririn could probably dust off at least a small planet here or there.

destructo disk was serious shit went through anything. i dont remember one villain ever fully blocking that move everyone got cut or dodged it.

yamcha and chousu are the only ones i cant see blowing planets up. everyone is game...saiyans obviously except future trunks ....i never saw any move that was really strong from him....planet destroying strong.

[VG Emblem]

Well, fuck, apparently no one remembers the part where Goku says that. I think he was in a cave or something, while Vegeta kept doing his biggest attacks and not really phasing Goku. It's probably because Vegeta has never outright decimated a strong enemy completely, but he probably could've finished Cell.

And shit, Yamcha could probably destroy a planet with each bounce of his Spirit Ball, considering Roshi destroyed the moon in Dragon Ball.

[The Epidemic]

depends on who you consider a strong opponent. Lets see...He "decimated" jeice didnt he? At that time Jeice was what the third stronget villian? Frieza > Ginyu > Jeice but, im not to sure on how the ginyu force stacked up. I used to think recoome was the strongest but im not too sure.

Oh yea..he "decimated" Napa, cui, dodoria, zarbon, guldo, recoome, broke burtas neck lol ummm android 19 (all these guys were strong for their period too btw)

[VG Emblem]

The reason why I'm bringing this up is because the blast would have to be ultra-strong AND big enough to make sure EVERY single cell is wiped out. So destroying someone doesn't necessarily guarantee that. And Vegeta may have not even realized that Cell could regenerate from ONE single cell, at that point.


destructo disk was serious shit went through anything. i dont remember one villain ever fully blocking that move everyone got cut or dodged it.
It hit Cell and did nothing, if I remember correctly.

[Shade]

The reason why I'm bringing this up is because the blast would have to be ultra-strong AND big enough to make sure EVERY single cell is wiped out. So destroying someone doesn't necessarily guarantee that. And Vegeta may have not even realized that Cell could regenerate from ONE single cell, at that point.


I don't understand what you're getting at. At that time, only two people were capable of ending Cell's life, and that's Trunks and Vegeta. They had the power, if they didn't Cell would have had nothing to fear, and it would have been noted.

And at that time, no one knew Cell could regenerate from a single cell, so that's a null argument to begin with.

[Ki Shima]

If he'd have cut loose with the Final Flash just a little earlier, he could have done it.

Come to think of it, all of the real fighters embarrassed the shit out of themselves during the whole jinzouningen/Cell arc. In the end, the fucking schoolboy had to show everyone how it's done.

not really, goku said himself that he focused on training gohan up to take over. when they came out of the time chamber gohan even said to himself "I wonder how dad got so strong when he was focusing on training me" goku could of owned cell himself if he had chosen not to train gohan, which is why if goku took a senzu bean after he lost against cell then it would of been GGPO for cell

depends on who you consider a strong opponent. Lets see...He "decimated" jeice didnt he? At that time Jeice was what the third stronget villian? Frieza > Ginyu > Jeice but, im not to sure on how the ginyu force stacked up. I used to think recoome was the strongest but im not too sure.

Oh yea..he "decimated" Napa, cui, dodoria, zarbon, guldo, recoome, broke burtas neck lol ummm android 19 (all these guys were strong for their period too btw)

think its actually both burta and jeice, which is why they like to team up (jeice for power and burta for speed)

[goodm0urning]

destructo disk was serious shit went through anything. i dont remember one villain ever fully blocking that move everyone got cut or dodged it.That name is gayness beyond all boundaries.

[white shadow]

destructo disk was serious shit went through anything. i dont remember one villain ever fully blocking that move everyone got cut or dodged it.



Yeah it doesn't seem to be based on ki level which is why it was one of my favorite attacks in DBZ, even Freiza almost got owned by it.


However, Perfect Cell was one the only villain that took a Destructo Disc literally head on and didn't even move or block it yet it got neutralized.

[maxx]

That name is gayness beyond all boundaries.
its the only english trans move i dont stress over.

Yeah it doesn't seem to be based on ki level which is why it was one of my favorite attacks in DBZ, even Freiza almost got owned by it.


However, Perfect Cell was one the only villain that took a Destructo Disc literally head on and didn't even move or block it yet it got neutralized.

oh ok. make sense enough for him. didnt he already have krillins cells so it makes sense.

[fishjie]

goku could not have beaten cell, he couldn't go super saiyan 2. cell was holding back the entire fight anyway.

[Ki Shima]

goku could not have beaten cell, he couldn't go super saiyan 2. cell was holding back the entire fight anyway.

yeah i know but goku was beaten up pretty bad meaning when he eats the senzu bean he'll be stronger. who knows how strong, i guess depending on toriyamas mood :rofl:

[Shade]

yeah i know but goku was beaten up pretty bad meaning when he eats the senzu bean he'll be stronger. who knows how strong, i guess depending on toriyamas mood :rofl:

As I stated before, getting Zenkai boost post Super Saiyan transformations pretty much stopped. Only through intense training could they further increase their strength, like any other warrior.

[Se7in]

yeah i know but goku was beaten up pretty bad meaning when he eats the senzu bean he'll be stronger. who knows how strong, i guess depending on toriyamas mood :rofl:

Really?

I remember Goku and Cell being damn near even, with Goku failing to the fact that as a living being, his ki was limited opposed to Cell's which was near-infinite.

And Goku's growth in strength from eating the Senzu Bean would've been negligent given that leaps in power come from near-death experiences to Saiyans, which was hardly the case between Goku and Cell.

[fishjie]

yeah i know but goku was beaten up pretty bad meaning when he eats the senzu bean he'll be stronger. who knows how strong, i guess depending on toriyamas mood :rofl:

depends. they never really explained the whole regeneration thing. if you weaken someone enough, can you just kill them? when majiin buu got badly hurt, he forgot to regenerate. but they still had to use a spirit bomb to kill him in the end.

also another thing, watching some dbz eps again. in the battle royale, trunks and goten team up against 18. they are evenly matched, and they land a bunch of good hits against her. wtfzors. cause like when she fought super saiyan vegeta, they are evenly matched at the start, he lands a few good hits, but she whoops his ass in the end. whereas she was struggling against two normal saiyans years later. did the pregnancy take the fight out of her or what.

[Hood Hair]

Really?

I remember Goku and Cell being damn near even, with Goku failing to the fact that as a living being, his ki was limited opposed to Cell's which was near-infinite.

And Goku's growth in strength from eating the Senzu Bean would've been negligent given that leaps in power come from near-death experiences to Saiyans, which was hardly the case between Goku and Cell.

what!!!!!!!?

cell was just enjoying himself with goku. they weren't near even. do you remember when cell got serious with gohan and shot the biggest f'ing kamehameha and Makankosappo know to man? goku couldn't have shot those attacks back at cell or deflected them.

[Hood Hair]

depends. they never really explained the whole regeneration thing. if you weaken someone enough, can you just kill them? when majiin buu got badly hurt, he forgot to regenerate. but they still had to use a spirit bomb to kill him in the end.

also another thing, watching some dbz eps again. in the battle royale, trunks and goten team up against 18. they are evenly matched, and they land a bunch of good hits against her. wtfzors. cause like when she fought super saiyan vegeta, they are evenly matched at the start, he lands a few good hits, but she whoops his ass in the end. whereas she was struggling against two normal saiyans years later. did the pregnancy take the fight out of her or what.

fighting two saiyans at the same time is different. its basically like fighting ssj2

[Shade]

One of the BEST fights;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_SIsQRHh_MA

[fishjie]

fighting two saiyans at the same time is different. its basically like fighting ssj2

uh no. if that were true, vegeta and goku could have teamed up against frieza as normal saiyans and killed him, because it'd be just like fighting a super saiyan 2. vegeta trunks goku and gohan could have all teamed up against cell as normal saiyans because it would have been like super saiyan 4.

fail.

[Se7in]

what!!!!!!!?

cell was just enjoying himself with goku. they weren't near even. do you remember when cell got serious with gohan and shot the biggest f'ing kamehameha and Makankosappo know to man? goku couldn't have shot those attacks back at cell or deflected them.

You're right. I just rewatched and it's obvious that Cell isn't nearly exerting himself to the max as he did with Gohan.

[Hood Hair]

One of the BEST fights;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_SIsQRHh_MA

i love it when jheese is talking shit in goku's face. then goku hits him with a stiff ass punch in the face

[Sonichuman]

fighting two saiyans at the same time is different. its basically like fighting ssj2

Tell that to Broly....

[maxx]

i love it when jheese is talking shit in goku's face. then goku hits him with a stiff ass punch in the face

the best part is he screams like a lil girl. haha. :rofl: straight in the nose..u know that fist got like all nose.

ya know what i also like is the fact jace runs striaght up on goku and gets scared around 4:15...he gets scared by goku's aura but they visually show a giant image of goku. what i like about this is unless u get japanese culture or animes...u honestly wouldn't get that image. u would think of hes just being a scardy cat when in actuality he senses the aura of goku. not in a sensing ki kinda way but u just know when someone is stronger than u.

[Hood Hair]

uh no. if that were true, vegeta and goku could have teamed up against frieza as normal saiyans and killed him, because it'd be just like fighting a super saiyan 2. vegeta trunks goku and gohan could have all teamed up against cell as normal saiyans because it would have been like super saiyan 4.

fail.

yeah you're right.

its the fact that she thought it was 1 person but their movements were awkward. she wasn't seriously fighting them until she saw her daughter cheering her on.

[Hood Hair]

Tell that to Broly....

:rofl:

"what does handicap mean?":rofl:

[Hood Hair]

i love when goku shot the grand elder kai in the face to gauge his power:rofl:

dbz has some great moments(still 1 of my all time favs)

[BadMojo]

depends. they never really explained the whole regeneration thing. if you weaken someone enough, can you just kill them? when majiin buu got badly hurt, he forgot to regenerate. but they still had to use a spirit bomb to kill him in the end.

also another thing, watching some dbz eps again. in the battle royale, trunks and goten team up against 18. they are evenly matched, and they land a bunch of good hits against her. wtfzors. cause like when she fought super saiyan vegeta, they are evenly matched at the start, he lands a few good hits, but she whoops his ass in the end. whereas she was struggling against two normal saiyans years later. did the pregnancy take the fight out of her or what.

Looks like 18 wasn't taking the fight seriously. Probably still holding back because at the time she thought it was Mighty Mouse and didn't want to kill him. It wasn't until Goten and Trunks went SS and shot a ki blast at her when she figured out who it was. After that I remember she ended the fight pretty fast and the two kids flew off after getting DQ'd.

--

Re-watched the DBZ special and Table's voice is the same as Ichigo's from Bleach. Found that pretty funny, it fit the character nicely since Table was pretty weak compared to everyone else and Ichigo's a hardcore jobber.

[Lantis]

I don't see why people give Vegeta such a bad rap for letting Cell go Perfect. He should actually share co-responsibility with Krilin, who refused to blow No. 18 up because he put that pussy on a pedestal, and could have done so without Vegeta knowing WTF happened. Then when he realized Cell was going after No. 18, he ended up being bitch slapped anyway.

So yeah, Krilin loses for being a horny midget.

[Hood Hair]

I don't see why people give Vegeta such a bad rap for letting Cell go Perfect. He should actually share co-responsibility with Krilin, who refused to blow No. 18 up because he put that pussy on a pedestal, and could have done so without Vegeta knowing WTF happened. Then when he realized Cell was going after No. 18, he ended up being bitch slapped anyway.

So yeah, Krilin loses for being a horny midget.

i feel vegeta did a great job of being his ol' self. i for 1 am not mad at all for what he did. and has anyone noticed that vegeta's best fights are when he gets his ass kicked. he's my favorite character and i don't mind seeing him getting whipped no and then.

[Biolink]

Vegeta get's whooped too much for me

He'll beat up little grunts, but when Final Boss Time comes, he's basically totally worthless.

It's pretty sad that such a cool and interesting character was always shelved.

He should have at least got to kill Cell. He's a much more interesting character than that bitch Gohan

[Hood Hair]

Vegeta get's whooped too much for me

He'll beat up little grunts, but when Final Boss Time comes, he's basically totally worthless.

It's pretty sad that such a cool and interesting character was always shelved.

He should have at least got to kill Cell. He's a much more interesting character than that bitch Gohan

totally agreed

[fishjie]

nah, the whole gohan thing was building up since the start. the whole gohan gets super strong when he gets mad. we saw glimpses of it here and there, but not his true potential. and then he got unleashed. gohan was the perfect person to kill cell.

[maxx]

Vegeta get's whooped too much for me

He'll beat up little grunts, but when Final Boss Time comes, he's basically totally worthless.

It's pretty sad that such a cool and interesting character was always shelved.

He should have at least got to kill Cell. He's a much more interesting character than that bitch Gohan

gohan was only a bitch because he was raised that way. he was the most realistic character in my opinion. everyone pretty much personality wise stayed the same the whole series but gohan, he matured and progressed in personality. goku stayed the same...all the humans def did, vegeta just became a more toned down version. piccolo changed very early in dbz and stayed that way. gohan personality kept developing til about early buu then he stayed that way for the rest of dbz and gt.

[Tizoc]

Some new PVCs are gonna be released in Japan in the near future-
http://apforums.net/showpost.php?p=1001858&postcount=2029
...and they look fucking beautiful.

[Hood Hair]

Some new PVCs are gonna be released in Japan in the near future-
http://apforums.net/showpost.php?p=1001858&postcount=2029
...and they look fucking beautiful.

sugoi

[Tizoc]

Zarbon's 'packing' :lol:

[Ki Shima]

As I stated before, getting Zenkai boost post Super Saiyan transformations pretty much stopped. Only through intense training could they further increase their strength, like any other warrior.

oh? but i dont remember them saying that it stopped, i thought the boost was like an RPG, think I remember vegeta saying that after every battle they get stronger, thought the more beat up you were the greater the boost. like goku vs frieza, he cleaned frieza's ass without being near dead and came back a few days later twice as strong if not more

Really?

I remember Goku and Cell being damn near even, with Goku failing to the fact that as a living being, his ki was limited opposed to Cell's which was near-infinite.

And Goku's growth in strength from eating the Senzu Bean would've been negligent given that leaps in power come from near-death experiences to Saiyans, which was hardly the case between Goku and Cell.

nah wasnt infinite, cell came back after near enough dying (saiyan blood) = zenkai boost with his return

depends. they never really explained the whole regeneration thing. if you weaken someone enough, can you just kill them? when majiin buu got badly hurt, he forgot to regenerate. but they still had to use a spirit bomb to kill him in the end.

also another thing, watching some dbz eps again. in the battle royale, trunks and goten team up against 18. they are evenly matched, and they land a bunch of good hits against her. wtfzors. cause like when she fought super saiyan vegeta, they are evenly matched at the start, he lands a few good hits, but she whoops his ass in the end. whereas she was struggling against two normal saiyans years later. did the pregnancy take the fight out of her or what.

yeah who knows about that fight, maybe she was trying to adjust her power enough to not kill everyone spectating, i dunno but i believe she was more confused than beaten

what!!!!!!!?

cell was just enjoying himself with goku. they weren't near even. do you remember when cell got serious with gohan and shot the biggest f'ing kamehameha and Makankosappo know to man? goku couldn't have shot those attacks back at cell or deflected them.

repeat: nah wasnt infinite, cell came back after near enough dying (saiyan blood) = zenkai boost with his return

[maxx]

Some new PVCs are gonna be released in Japan in the near future-
http://apforums.net/showpost.php?p=1001858&postcount=2029
...and they look fucking beautiful.

sweet christ....frieza looks....ridiculously epic

[Ki Shima]

shit wait everyones talking about the next dbz when they could easily (well not easily) REMAKE dbz

imagine everything fixed, fights with better and more fluid animation :wow:

[The Epidemic]

Zarbon's 'packing' :lol:

lol...

[goodm0urning]

Viewed as a whole, DB/DBZ is about Goku carrying the torch until it's time to pass it down to Gohan, but that doesn't necessarily make Gohan the most interesting character in terms of the series. Goku--a goofy guy who loves to fight--arguably personifies what Dragon Ball is all about, and Gohan--dead serious, doesn't enjoy fighting--is antithetical to it.

We could use old Swamp Thing (pre-Alan Moore) as an example. The arc of Swamp Thing is Alec Holland's quest to regain his humanity. Yeah, becoming human again is the whole point, but once that happens, the story is over.

It's common knowledge that Toriyama originally had the Freeza arc in mind as the end of the series. All the major warriors were dead, Goku achieved the absolute peak of his power and died after defeating his greatest enemy ever, and his only son returned to Earth as its reluctant protector. Gents, that is a hell of an ending, and it's a mixed blessing that the series ended up continuing.

Funny thing is, you can see Toriyama attempting, again and again, to put Goku out of the picture and leave Earth in Gohan's hands, and having to contrive increasingly ridiculous reasons for him to stick around. Editorial fiat is a bitch.

Also... hell no to a Dragon Ball remake. Everybody's remaking the shit out of everything these days. Warts and all, Dragon Ball is a great fantasy/martial arts epic, and I strongly doubt it would lend itself well to any attempts to "improve" it. If you want a leaner, faster Dragon Ball, just use the fast-forward button on your DVD remote or skip around in the tankobon.

[maxx]

Also... hell no to a Dragon Ball remake. Everybody's remaking the shit out of everything these days. Warts and all, Dragon Ball is a great fantasy/martial arts epic, and I strongly doubt it would lend itself well to any attempts to "improve" it. If you want a leaner, faster Dragon Ball, just use the fast-forward button on your DVD remote or skip around in the tankobon.

this right here is the fucking truth.

though on the other end...anime remakes usually are cool interpretations. but dbz has such a unique look to its fights...i just cant see them really cooler without losing wut we remember...maybe in like 30 years they could but not now.

[Ki Shima]

Viewed as a whole, DB/DBZ is about Goku carrying the torch until it's time to pass it down to Gohan, but that doesn't necessarily make Gohan the most interesting character in terms of the series. Goku--a goofy guy who loves to fight--arguably personifies what Dragon Ball is all about, and Gohan--dead serious, doesn't enjoy fighting--is antithetical to it.

We could use old Swamp Thing (pre-Alan Moore) as an example. The arc of Swamp Thing is Alec Holland's quest to regain his humanity. Yeah, becoming human again is the whole point, but once that happens, the story is over.

It's common knowledge that Toriyama originally had the Freeza arc in mind as the end of the series. All the major warriors were dead, Goku achieved the absolute peak of his power and died after defeating his greatest enemy ever, and his only son returned to Earth as its reluctant protector. Gents, that is a hell of an ending, and it's a mixed blessing that the series ended up continuing.

Funny thing is, you can see Toriyama attempting, again and again, to put Goku out of the picture and leave Earth in Gohan's hands, and having to contrive increasingly ridiculous reasons for him to stick around. Editorial fiat is a bitch.

Also... hell no to a Dragon Ball remake. Everybody's remaking the shit out of everything these days. Warts and all, Dragon Ball is a great fantasy/martial arts epic, and I strongly doubt it would lend itself well to any attempts to "improve" it. If you want a leaner, faster Dragon Ball, just use the fast-forward button on your DVD remote or skip around in the tankobon.

yeah that's true i don't see things looking flashier will better the original, the original has way too much character

and for what DB is (based on the legend of monkey king) it's fantastic to see where a version of the "monkey king" came from and why he was sent to earth. it was very fitting to end at freeza.

what I liked about the Buu saga though was the fact it went THOUSANDS of years in the past to talk about the struggle that gods had.

even though freeza arc was about the enslavement of his race and a few galaxies (i think), the Cell saga was the most personal problem to the whole cast

my personal fave was everything up to freeza's death. but i still loved watching the rest of DBZ

[Hood Hair]

repeat: nah wasnt infinite, cell came back after near enough dying (saiyan blood) = zenkai boost with his return

i don't care what anyone says, cell was stronger than gohan when he returned after self-destructing

[The Epidemic]

^Is that why he got obliterated?:bgrin:

Seriously tho...when Gohan gets that "you hurt my daddy/piccolo" anger..his power level jumps like crazy. I honestly think cell was stronger when he came back too but, gohans power fluctuates too much to know really.

Edit: wait didnt Vegeta help gohan?? i forgot about that...hmmm.

[fishjie]

vegeta made cell blink. that was enough for gohan to win. to this i'm not sure if that blast vegeta fired actually hurt cell, or whether it just tickled him and made him sneeze.

and lol at how the other z losers fired their shit which didn't do anything to cell

[TS]

The important part, is that Vegeta is a bitch, and the source of all linkin park amvs.

[maxx]

The important part, is that Vegeta is a bitch, and the source of all linkin park amvs.

thats a horrible example since they all got linkin park amv's.

[TS]

Picture a Vegeta AMV with "Crawling" playing in the background.

Now, picture one with Mr. Popo.

Doesn't work.

[Azrael]

I swear, if someone else makes one more Vegeta/In The End AMV, I will start killing babies.

[Nairdas]

^ Shit more like Vegeta My sacrfice amv.

[TS]

Which is hilarious because he's an asshole for the entire series.

[fishjie]

whatever i love the dbz music linkin park vidz

linkin ball z

shits epic

gets me so hype

especially the crawling in my skin video

i yawn when i see the original LP music vids. dbz just goes perfectly with LP tho

[Sonichuman]

LP seems to go perfectly with a lot of things...too bad most of the people who make the videos don't know anything about composition and timing. I don't mind Music videos...when they're done correctly. I hate ones that I come across that I know all he did was just slap shit together without even thinking of timing with the songs and stuff and it's all completely off.

Edit: I know generally srk hates amvs... but an example of what i'm talking about if anyone is interested is here


http://www.gametrailers.com/player/usermovies/126087.html

Warning: IT'S AN AMV, YES...IT'S LP, AND IT AIN'T DBZ...technically you can tell what I mean just by watchin like 15 secs of it

[Black Chanler]

DBZ/linkin park will never reach the level of pain that Wrestling/Drowning pool has achieved.

[maxx]

DBZ/linkin park will never reach the level of pain that Wrestling/Drowning pool has achieved.

uhh wut thats only ecw. wrestling in general is more creative than that. unlike dbz amv's circa 2001-06

[Hood Hair]

^Is that why he got obliterated?:bgrin:

Seriously tho...when Gohan gets that "you hurt my daddy/piccolo" anger..his power level jumps like crazy. I honestly think cell was stronger when he came back too but, gohans power fluctuates too much to know really.

Edit: wait didnt Vegeta help gohan?? i forgot about that...hmmm.

exactly why i said cell was stronger. cell was playing with gohan at that big kamehameha sequence. if it wasn't for vegeta cell would have without a doubt killed gohan. also he reached his "you hurt my daddy/piccolo" anger and plus cell gain his composure also which gave him the upper hand(composure is key). i know if gohan had both arms he would've gotten owned

[Markudea]

exactly why i said cell was stronger. cell was playing with gohan at that big kamehameha sequence. if it wasn't for vegeta cell would have without a doubt killed gohan. also he reached his "you hurt my daddy/piccolo" anger and plus cell gain his composure also which gave him the upper hand(composure is key). i know if gohan had both arms he would've gotten owned

If Cell was stronger, then he would've survived Gohan's attack, but he didn't survive, so he wasn't stronger. The only reason Cell appeared to be stronger was because Gohan wasn't emotionally fueled due to his father's death, and we all seen what happened to Cell when Gohan put some spirit behind his power: annihilation :rofl:. Also, another reason why Gohan was stronger was due to the fact that he still had hidden power within him, despite him being SSJ2. The Old Supreme Kai proved that by unlocking ALL of Gohan's true power.

[maxx]

unlocked potential gohan=superboy prime of saiyans....broken as fuck.

can we talk about how much vegeta wet his pants at broly in the first movie. lol.

[DaDesiCanadian]

hey guys here's a cool vid i found

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q1n6kEqv05c&feature=related

[Markudea]

can we talk about how much vegeta wet his pants at broly in the first movie. lol.

He did, but it wasn't as bad as Frieza making him cry like a baby because he knew he was dead. I tell people all of time that Frieza was Vegeta's evil stepfather :rofl:.

[Hood Hair]

hey guys here's a cool vid i found

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q1n6kEqv05c&feature=related

you son of a bitch! didn't we just talk about how anoying dbz amv's with linkin park is

[maxx]

hey guys here's a cool vid i found

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q1n6kEqv05c&feature=related

hahaha windows media editors for the muthafucking win! :rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:


Markudea: but see frieza's kinda understandable...the nigga took over his planet like saiyans were black and he was the white man on his hustle and grind.

but broly..broly was on a whole nother level of comedy. for ages his people told stories like that nigga was satan himself. And all of sudden he was real....this is how that conversation went

z warriors: who the fucks broly

vegeta: OMG THE FUCKING BOOGYMANS COMING TO GET US ALL!!!

z warrior: oh shit...even vegeta wet himself...someone get that nigga some depends!

gohan: fuck it...im the hero now..this is my show...i dont give a fuck who this nigga is...i gotta do it...for dad.

vegeta: OH MY GAWD DO YOU KNOW WHO HE IS....DO YOU! DO YOU!!!

gohan: stop being a bitch ass. -=flies off to save the day=-

z warriors: well we're going to get out asses kicked but w/e -=flys off too=-

vegeta: oh fuck...even the 13 year olds got more hustle than me...I'm the prince of...oh fuck it -=flys off too=-

[Azrael]

hey guys here's a cool vid i found

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q1n6kEqv05c&feature=related
Why the fuck does this have 10,000,000 views?

[ReggieHadoken]

hahaha windows media editors for the muthafucking win! :rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:


Markudea: but see frieza's kinda understandable...the nigga took over his planet like saiyans were black and he was the white man on his hustle and grind.

but broly..broly was on a whole nother level of comedy. for ages his people told stories like that nigga was satan himself. And all of sudden he was real....this is how that conversation went

z warriors: who the fucks broly

vegeta: OMG THE FUCKING BOOGYMANS COMING TO GET US ALL!!!

z warrior: oh shit...even vegeta wet himself...someone get that nigga some depends!

gohan: fuck it...im the hero now..this is my show...i dont give a fuck who this nigga is...i gotta do it...for dad.

vegeta: OH MY GAWD DO YOU KNOW WHO HE IS....DO YOU! DO YOU!!!

gohan: stop being a bitch ass. -=flies off to save the day=-

z warriors: well we're going to get out asses kicked but w/e -=flys off too=-

vegeta: oh fuck...even the 13 year olds got more hustle than me...I'm the prince of...oh fuck it -=flys off too=-

This post had me in stiches! :rofl:

Broly just threw around the Z-Fighters like toys!

[Sonichuman]

hey guys here's a cool vid i found

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q1n6kEqv05c&feature=related

lol...For window media...not bad. At least he got timing down in a % of the video...and he at least edited it. That's way more than a lot of em...

Why the fuck does this have 10,000,000 views?

I have no idea...but maybe when someone puts in 'dbz amv' that one just happens to be the first one that comes up? and everyone clicks on it.

Surprised that's still up there though...since youtube has been killing music videos left and right

[fishjie]

theres a lot of "in the end" ones, my favorite is one this one dude did with gohan

it was PERFECT (like PERFECT cell was PERFECT)

[dn3000]

http://www.gametrailers.com/player/usermovies/293116.html > the new DBZ movie!! :rofl:

[BadMojo]

I just searched "linkin park dbz amv" on Youtube and got 5,510 results. Then I searched "linkin park amv" and got 73,900. Holy shit you guys weren't joking.

Aren't there AMV contests at anime cons? Maybe someone has a link, there's bound to have been a couple good dbz amvs made before.

[Sonichuman]

I just searched "linkin park dbz amv" on Youtube and got 5,510 results. Then I searched "linkin park amv" and got 73,900. Holy shit you guys weren't joking.

Aren't there AMV contests at anime cons? Maybe someone has a link, there's bound to have been a couple good dbz amvs made before.

They're out there..it's just a lot of shit to sift through just to find one that's actually decent... and not samey...usually you stumble across a good on on accident. It finds you...you don't find it.

[The Electrifying One]

hmmm.... having read this thread I do like it but consider this:

1) who is George Sampson? He can dance a bit I hear.

2)Is Dudley black tho? (I thinhk he's west Indian)

3) Does Quiche still make avatars??

4) Is Warlock still b4nned?!

Does anyone still play these games :D

Merry Xmas,

David

[Weeks]

I remember I loved a ton of DBZ amvs back in the day. Most of them actually had like Gundam Wing and shit.

[Hood Hair]

http://www.gametrailers.com/player/usermovies/293116.html > the new DBZ movie!! :rofl:
the funny thing is this is better than the actual movie coming out:rofl:

[Zan-kun]

I just searched "linkin park dbz amv" on Youtube and got 5,510 results. Then I searched "linkin park amv" and got 73,900. Holy shit you guys weren't joking.

Aren't there AMV contests at anime cons? Maybe someone has a link, there's bound to have been a couple good dbz amvs made before.

http://www.youtube.com/daizex

This guy has a few good ones. He runs daizex.com (db fansite that is consistently updated...!) as well as a really good DB podcast.

I thought that linkin park amv was well done in some parts. Bugs me to hell when amv creators can't have consistent quality footage.

[goodm0urning]

http://www.youtube.com/daizex

This guy has a few good ones. He runs daizex.com (db fansite that is consistently updated...!) as well as a really good DB podcast.

I thought that linkin park amv was well done in some parts. Bugs me to hell when amv creators can't have consistent quality footage.I didn't realize Daizenshu EX was still around. I remember that shit back when it was still VegettoEX's Home Page on some crap-ass AOL account. Dude had a nice collection of DB music--in RealMedia format, of course.

[pherai]

I remember that shit back when it was still VegettoEX's Home Page on some crap-ass AOL account. Dude had a nice collection of DB music--in RealMedia format, of course.

Oh man, major nostalgia...

[Azrael]

Wow, I didn't know DaizenshuuEX was still around either. But I don't know what happened to any of the big sites since I left the DBZ net scene.

You are truly old-school if you remember SRED's DBZ and Chris Psaros's DBZ Uncensored.

[goodm0urning]

You are truly old-school if you remember SRED's DBZ and Chris Psaros's DBZ Uncensored.He was SRE, not SRED.

Chris Psaros was hilarious. It was very sad when he hung it up, but it was inevitable. Once the catchphrase "What the HFIL" stopped being relevant, so did the whole site.

You're REALLY old school if you remember The Daily Dragon Ball Chapters, Dr. Gero's Lab, Planet Namek when it sucked, the Superpope video games site, and (really dating myself here) Wuken's page.

[Azrael]

I knew I was fucking up SRE's name, I just didn't know how. Old age is getting to me.

I remember tearing through DBZU in like two days. Some of the best laughs I've ever had.

I remember Dr. Gero's Lab and PN when it was a fansubber, but I guess that's as far back as my DBZ senioritis goes. It was interesting to see how the landscape of the DBZ web changed after the series got picked up on CN and Funimation started to produce new episodes.

[goodm0urning]

It's enough to remember when it was horrendously unfashionable to reveal that you were a fan of the Americanized version. You can spell it one of a half-dozen different ways, but don't even think about spelling it "Krillin."

Things do change.

[The Damned]

I think it's definitive proof that I ultimately don't like DBZ since I don't know what the hell either of you is talking about.

Anyway, yeah, I agree about the AMV things. Ironically, In the End kind of fits Vegeta (and, well, everyone in DBZ that isn't Goku), but like everything Linkin Park, even if it actually fits something now, it's been overplayed by a factor of infinity + 1.

I still have yet to watch the anniversary special. I'm going to try to do it later on today. I hope I can find a subbed version.

[Azrael]

^Its probably for the best that you don't know. Not missing much, really.

And I would begrudingly agree that In The End/Vegeta is a good mix theoretically...but its just been done (and done poorly!) so many times it just doesn't work anymore.

But I dislike AMV in general...so there you go.

It's enough to remember when it was horrendously unfashionable to reveal that you were a fan of the Americanized version. You can spell it one of a half-dozen different ways, but don't even think about spelling it "Krillin."

Things do change.
:sweat: Yeah... those were definintely the Dark Ages in DBZ Fandom. It was just...bad.

[goodm0urning]

I have mixed feelings. On the one hand, it's great that DB finally "made it," and that we have high quality DVDs with accurate subs, a complete official set of translated tankobon, and so on. On the other hand, hearing everybody say shit like "Eternal Dragon" and "Say-en" still gives me a weird itch in my brain.

[Ki Shima]

whats hilarious about that whole cell vs gohan shit is the fact half of gohans power was gone because of his broken arm (he said this himself which lead to goku saying he's still strong enough)

doesn't anyone pay attention :confused:

when i first discovered amv's i was like :wow: amazed, but it's gotten so popular that its diluted with untalented creators and it's now a forrest with like a couple of good apples


about that post about broly: what was fucking funny about that fight was the fact broly powered down every time he hit gohan, had me in stitches

[Sonichuman]

http://www.youtube.com/daizex

This guy has a few good ones. He runs daizex.com (db fansite that is consistently updated...!) as well as a really good DB podcast.

I thought that linkin park amv was well done in some parts. Bugs me to hell when amv creators can't have consistent quality footage.

wow...his 'I Walk Alone' one was reeally done well...great editing, timing and good use of scenes.

[Se7in]

How would you guys have viewed the series if it had ended the way Toriyama originally projected?

Goku becomes the legendary Super Saiyan and defeats Frieza, then dies on the exploding Namek. Gohan returns to Earth and becomes it's new protector.

I think it would've prevented a lot of questions from being brought up. Because of Goku's survival and the continuation of the series, there had to be other Super Saiyans, other forms of Super Saiyan, etc. I think if with Goku being the only one it would've been more legendary and special. For all we know, Super Saiyan could've been a permanent form for him since I don't think we see him go out of it until he returns back to Earth.

Then there's the questions of Super Saiyan 2 and it's differences with 1 besides the obvious power and speed; for example what are the requirements? If strong emotion is one, how did Vegeta and Goku attain it? And with Nappa being a full-blooded Saiyan, what would he look like Super Saiyan? And what would Raditz look like if he went Super Saiyan 3? How can the Human-Saiyan hybrids go Super Saiyan so easily?

Though I love everything that Dragonball Z was, it is interesting to imagine what questions and opinions would come if it ended at Frieza's death.

[The Damned]

How would you guys have viewed the series if it had ended the way Toriyama originally projected?

Personally, quite a lot better since Frieza would have still been one of the strongest people in the universe without all these (forced) contenders popping up out of nowhere.

And with Nappa being a full-blooded Saiyan, what would he look like Super Saiyan?

Same except all his other hair would be blonde, meaning the only visible thing would be blue eyes and a blonde 'stache.

And what would Raditz look like if he went Super Saiyan 3?

We actually knew the answer to that one decades ago. (http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&safe=off&q=Cousin%20Itt&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wi)

[fishjie]

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.deviantart.com/download/73093276/Super_Saiyan_Raditz_by_dbzataricommunity.jpg&imgrefurl=http://dbzataricommunity.deviantart.com/art/Super-Saiyan-Raditz-73093276&usg=__1mF-4q8QHGySZlFAv6XMB_bVZn0=&h=1024&w=640&sz=222&hl=en&start=5&um=1&tbnid=Kn2BtyNwf3n2wM:&tbnh=150&tbnw=94&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dsuper%2Bsaiyan%2Braditz%26um%3D1%26hl %3Den%26safe%3Doff%26sa%3DG

oh and krillin

yeah fuck that gay jap spelling

and fuck people who call akuma "gouki"

gay to the max

[The Damned]

Fishjie, you realize that Se7in asked what Raditz would look like if he went Super Saiyan 3, correct?

*cough*

[fishjie]

http://phazy8.files.wordpress.com/2008/06/sa-super_saiyan_raditz.jpg

[Biolink]

It looks like he still has his eyebrows in that pic

[Azrael]

I think it would've prevented a lot of questions from being brought up. Because of Goku's survival and the continuation of the series, there had to be other Super Saiyans, other forms of Super Saiyan, etc. I think if with Goku being the only one it would've been more legendary and special. For all we know, Super Saiyan could've been a permanent form for him since I don't think we see him go out of it until he returns back to Earth.
While I agree that DBZ should have ended at Freeza, even if it didn't - I think Toriyama's mistake was trying to one-up Freeza. He didn't have to do that - Freeza was just that damn powerful. The Androids, Cell, Buu even could have been considerably weaker than Freeza and still own most everyone for free.

Instead of SSJ being a controllable state, it should have been uncontrollable, the way it was when Goku first went SSJ. So nobody goes SSJ through the Cell Saga, except for Gohan - make the SSJ2 transformation SSJ1.

Then in the Buu Saga Vegeta, obsessed with the whole SSJ thing, allows himself to be charmed by Babidi and obtains a false SSJ transformation, but when he can't overpower Goku (non-SSJ) he realizes that there are no shortcuts to becoming one. He loses the false SSJ transformation and challenges Buu, but can't beat him. He then goes SSJ to do the self-destruction in vain.

The final part of the Buu fight could have been Goku desperately trying to activate SSJ and not having it come out, when Vegeta suggests to have the people of Earth defend their own planet for once. Goku can then go SSJ to give the Spirit Bomb the final push, being motivated not to waste the energy they just gathered from everyone.

[TS]

Cell and Buu could have been as strong/stronger than Freeza.

Imperfect Cell, Trunks, and random other characters should not have been.

The truth is that the power levels in DBZ mean absolutely nothing- there was just a big argument in this thread about whether or not Tien was stronger than Freeza- even if it was, it was because the latter died and the former kept training. When the power levels are constantly jumping, they don't jump at all, because almost nothing changes, relatively. The only thing that's different, is that it means the characters who got peaced out stay weaker because they don't get a chance to improve.

[locoghoul]

sorry for bringing Broly once again, but it would have been better to exploit the whole "true" legendary super saiyan plot involving Broly/Goku. That's how the saga after Freeza should have been

[ElderGOD]

Kind of was in a way if you count Future Trunks power up against Cell, he looked legendary.

Future Trunks was so godlike, I won't forgive GT for turning Trunks into a pussy.

[Radiantsilvergun3]

To this day I still love DB/Z. I'm still slowly collecting the Tankubon and have decided its time to pick up the show not that Funi has givin it an epic remsatering and it comes in those bad ass slim packs. Each season for like 25 bucks. Anime don't come better for cheaper man. Only shonen i will ever like.

[The Damned]

Questionable truth.

I generally agree.

I'm curious though. Considering the way that you worded it, would also prefer that Goku still come back and not die when Planet Namek exploded like he was also "supposed to"?

The truth.

Yeah. Later DBZ is rather inconsistent because Toriyama was a)tired and b)realized that he didn't have to work as hard for his paycheck.

(This reminds me that I have to still check out Dr. Slump.

sorry for bringing Broly once again, but it would have been better to Broly never existed since he is a stupid movie-creation that borders on Sephiroth-lameness territory.

Fixed.

Future Trunks was so godlike, I won't forgive GT for turning Trunks into a pussy.

Hey, if the Briefs fit.

Personally, between the pink hair and being so buddy-buddy with Goten, literally becoming one with him during the Buu Saga for various periods of time, was it really surprising?

[Zan-kun]

A Toriyama/Dr. Slump aside: Dr. Slump is really, really funny. Absolutely awesome. One warning for those who care: the American manga release can be severely edited at times. It's mostly smoking/drinking/nudity/race related stuff, but it's inconsistent at times. Anyway, almost all the volumes are out and it's worth checking out if those things don't bother you.

Anywho, I hope at least one more DB special comes along before the OG crew dies off.

[Azrael]

I'm curious though. Considering the way that you worded it, would also prefer that Goku still come back and not die when Planet Namek exploded like he was also "supposed to"?
Well, yeah, assuming that the series did continue on, Goku would kind of be necessary. Toriyama himself tried to write Goku out of it only for the fans to get upset and demand him back.

Ending at Freeza still would have been legendary, but if not then at least controlling the SSJ transformations would have kept things from getting ridiculous as they did, IMHO.

[Shade]

I just wanna say for the record, I love Broly, in spite of the silliness surrounding him.

[white shadow]

Ending at Freeza still would have been legendary, but if not then at least controlling the SSJ transformations would have kept things from getting ridiculous as they did, IMHO.

Controlling it wasn't really the problem IMO, making it an everyday thing that every saiyan man and child could learn was stupid.

If anything, the only Saiyans that should've achieved that state should've been Goku, Future Trunks (because of his hellish experiences), Vegeta (probably by the Buu arc due to turning insane because it is incredibly hard to achieve), and Gohan could've gotten a *special ascended form* due to him unlocking both his hidden potential and achieving Super Saiyan simultaneously versus Cell.

[Se7in]

Super Saiyan should've been something only pure bloods could achieve.

[white shadow]

Super Saiyan should've been something only pure bloods could achieve.

I would've agreed with you before, but Gohan being able to turn Super Saiyan always made sense to me, because they've always prophesied his "hidden potential." Since achieving that form requires pure, unadulerated rage Gohan's constantly repressed emotions would be the perfect conduit for surpassing his hereditary limitations.

[goodm0urning]

It's like I said: Goku dying and Gohan taking over isn't a story, it's an ending. It's what was supposed to happen (and almost happened), but I don't think DB could have been viably continued without Goku and with Gohan at the helm.

[TS]

Human-saiyan hybrids seem to be stronger than either humans or saiyans.

[Markudea]

Human-saiyan hybrids seem to be stronger than either humans or saiyans.

I agree. That's why Gohan could've been strongest person ever in the universe, but Akira jobbed him out to please Japanese fans who wanted Goku to remain on top. I don't like him jobbin' Gohan the way he did since it was finally his time to shine to only have it robbed from him.

Personally, I think they advanced the Saiyan transformations too much as Akira should have focused a lot more on the SSJ3 level than anything else since it was the hardest to achieve at the time. The only single person who reached it was Goku (I would've liked to see Vegeta/Gohan reach it sometime in the future). Imagine the SSJ3 level with NO side effects :looney:.

[fishjie]

ssj4 is dbgt

dbgt is not canon, its just gay. its one big goku bukkake love fest, with japanese otakus jerking off to it all day. none of it actually happened. the series ended with uub, and that's that. if they do dbz again, they should pretend like dbgt never happened.

[NeoBlood]

ssj4 is dbgt

dbgt is not canon, its just gay. its one big goku bukkake love fest, with japanese otakus jerking off to it all day. none of it actually happened. the series ended with uub, and that's that. if they do dbz again, they should pretend like dbgt never happened.

Agreed. Yes. Truth.

[goodm0urning]

dbgt is not canon, its just gay.Gaynon?

[Ki Shima]

but wait one minute... :confused:

strong people DIDNT just come out of nowhere, Dr Gero created a bot to analyze goku, his friends and their enemies DNA. so technically cell isnt this strong ass geezer that came out of nowhere, gero was studying these people and taking their data to match it. cell and androids ONLY existed because goku, freeza and the Z fighters existed.


as for the Buu saga, the people involved in it are the gods of the gods and their nemesis, so it makes sense for them to be that powerful

if you wanted dbz to end at freeza then you should of switched it off when planet namek blew up. but if that happened then you wouldn't of got Cell or the crazy buu saga era. you would of got nothing or a failed dragon ball remake

[Azrael]

Controlling it wasn't really the problem IMO, making it an everyday thing that every saiyan man and child could learn was stupid.

If anything, the only Saiyans that should've achieved that state should've been Goku, Future Trunks (because of his hellish experiences), Vegeta (probably by the Buu arc due to turning insane because it is incredibly hard to achieve), and Gohan could've gotten a *special ascended form* due to him unlocking both his hidden potential and achieving Super Saiyan simultaneously versus Cell.
That's basically what I said. When I said "controlling", I mean "limiting". And I don't think it should've been something that they can just freely switch into.

[Hood Hair]

i still miss playing gt, ultimate battle 22/27, and legends. when i get my 160gig ps3 i'm going to get back in it. i have the japanese import

[goodm0urning]

Legends was a great idea, but the programmers overlooked the enormous problem of having to keep both players' characters on the screen at the same time. One player mode was awesome, with tons of space to explore. The two player mode felt like you were trapped in a tiny-ass bubble.

[Hood Hair]

Legends was a great idea, but the programmers overlooked the enormous problem of having to keep both players' characters on the screen at the same time. One player mode was awesome, with tons of space to explore. The two player mode felt like you were trapped in a tiny-ass bubble.

ah u just had to get use to it. it felt like i was training my eyes in two player mode. when i was playing other people they were like "how the fuck can you see all thats going on at the same time?" i simply replied, "because i have the sharingan!"

[goodm0urning]

I was fine with that aspect of it. It was purely a spatial issue. The characters were incapable of really flying around like they were in one player mode, and being able to do that was a big part of the fun. It would have benefited a lot from a split-screen feature.

[Hood Hair]

I was fine with that aspect of it. It was purely a spatial issue. The characters were incapable of really flying around like they were in one player mode, and being able to do that was a big part of the fun. It would have benefited a lot from a split-screen feature.

i agree. i remember when i got real good a was doing 1 vs 3, good times.

[Radiantsilvergun3]

Legends was bad ass. I love that game. I do wish i could have unleashed unholy Kamehamehas whenever i wanted to though.

[Rhio2k]

Anybody else enjoy Buku Tougeki? Hyper Dimension-esque graphics, nice (but simple) gameplay. And another question: why is everyone saying DBZ Infinite World = Bukokai 4, when it's obvious that it's pretty much Sparking 4?

[ProfessorS]

Anybody else enjoy Buku Tougeki? Hyper Dimension-esque graphics, nice (but simple) gameplay. And another question: why is everyone saying DBZ Infinite World = Bukokai 4, when it's obvious that it's pretty much Sparking 4?

Because it looks and plays just like Budokai 3?

[Rhio2k]

Because it looks and plays just like Budokai 3?

My bad. I was looking at some mislabeled youtube vids.

[goodm0urning]

I wanted to love Super Dragon Ball Z,