Guard Cancel

[Wai]

I've seen ppl block sentinel's HSF and on the third wave of drones cable can AHVB. I'm assuming it has something to do with push blocking. Can someone explain how to do this?

thanks

[sealhunta]

first ur pushblock the set of drones, then u put the stick to neutral, then u AHVB.

I'm not sure if it matters if u do it on the first one or the second one. but u cant do it on the third, well u could but sent can just block

[tech master]

i really don't want to be a dick sealhunta but you seem to just post shit just for the hell of posting. obviously you're not even capable of doing half the shit you post because you post incorrect information or shit thats just stupid and will get you raped.

you DON'T push block ANY set of the drones and DEFINITELY not the second set. and you don't even need to put the stick to nuetral. you CAN, but while learning, you should NEVER.

you push block the move that they do RIGHT before the HSF.

ex: they do c.hp xx RP xx HSF

you push block slightly after the RP makes contact with you. after that, you will guard cancelled just perfectly and will be free to do a move between the 2nd and last set of drones. you have to time the AHVB so that the frames of invincibility are done RIGHT as the third set touches cable. don't do it TOO late cuz he can still block. if you do it too early, you'll get hit by the third set.

[piponaz]

i really don't want to be a dick sealhunta but you seem to just post shit just for the hell of posting. obviously you're not even capable of doing half the shit you post because you post incorrect information or shit thats just stupid and will get you raped.



^ i second motion that. neg rep for sealhunta, ooppss.. i don't do neg reps.

anyway...


you DON'T push block ANY set of the drones and DEFINITELY not the second set. and you don't even need to put the stick to nuetral. you CAN, but while learning, you should NEVER.



^ you can push block the first set of drones.

duc > Pushblock the first drones then AHVB after the second drones - Similar to jumping out of HSF with small characters. You have to tiger knee the super - jumping normal then ahvb seems impossible and calling an assist to take the hit so you can super in the middle of the HSF doesn't work - IIRC.

:tup:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=tkH8sCVNGtw < for reference.

[Wai]

Oh i see. So in other words push block once. And from what I'm thinking you guys are saying... after a push block.. there is like lag time during the push block that u wait out and when the time is ready... you kind of get invulnerability for the AHVB right?

Thanks again

[sealhunta]

i really don't want to be a dick sealhunta but you seem to just post shit just for the hell of posting. obviously you're not even capable of doing half the shit you post because you post incorrect information or shit thats just stupid and will get you raped.

you DON'T push block ANY set of the drones and DEFINITELY not the second set. and you don't even need to put the stick to nuetral. you CAN, but while learning, you should NEVER.

you push block the move that they do RIGHT before the HSF.

ex: they do c.hp xx RP xx HSF

you push block slightly after the RP makes contact with you. after that, you will guard cancelled just perfectly and will be free to do a move between the 2nd and last set of drones. you have to time the AHVB so that the frames of invincibility are done RIGHT as the third set touches cable. don't do it TOO late cuz he can still block. if you do it too early, you'll get hit by the third set.



wow, did u just start playing marvel a few weeks ago? Unlike u , i am going to be the bigger man and not call u names.

but watch this video for examples

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-olS4UWq6g

ahh piponaz, u beat me too it, i wanted to defend my self against mr. tech master over here.

well the link i gave is from a match between duc and sanford at 2006 evo (in this one he push blocks the 2ND set of drones

[tech master]

^ i second motion that. neg rep for sealhunta, ooppss.. i don't do neg reps.

anyway...



^ you can push block the first set of drones.

duc > Pushblock the first drones then AHVB after the second drones - Similar to jumping out of HSF with small characters. You have to tiger knee the super - jumping normal then ahvb seems impossible and calling an assist to take the hit so you can super in the middle of the HSF doesn't work - IIRC.

:tup:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=tkH8sCVNGtw < for reference.

watch the video. you can't push block something until its made contact with you. you are left in block stun for a decent amount of frames from a RP. pay close attention, you'll see the push blcok animation between contact of the RP and the first set of drones. what does that mean? you're pushblocking the RP not the drones. you can't PB until after it makes contact, the animation is shown to PB RIGHT before the first set

if you pay attention, if you push block the first set of drones,(his first attempt in the video) you do it too late. you can still time invincibility, but he can block. so you'd have to block ANYWAY since it would be useless to use your invincibility on somethin that will be blocked

the thread starter was asking how to AHVB THROUGH the third set and hit somebody. even in the video, where he push blocked a little early, you can still pushblock that early. you just need to time the AHVB invincibility correct. the property that he could jump between sets is all you need. its the timing of the AHVB thats more important

Oh i see. So in other words push block once. And from what I'm thinking you guys are saying... after a push block.. there is like lag time during the push block that u wait out and when the time is ready... you kind of get invulnerability for the AHVB right?

Thanks again

this is how it works, anytime you push block, you are basically stuck in block stun. since you are in block stun ALREADY the drones don't do anything since you're already in it. kind of weird to explain. anyways, after the push block animation is over you recover IMMEDIATELY. so if timed right, you will recover RIGHT after the 2nd set of drones. so if your character has an invincibility move with quick start up, then thats when you'd use it.


wow, did u just start playing marvel a few weeks ago? Unlike u , i am going to be the bigger man and not call u names.

i'll call you names, you're an idiot. i'm still right

but watch this video for examples

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-olS4UWq6g

ahh piponaz, u beat me too it, i wanted to defend my self against mr. tech master over here.

well the link i gave is from a match between duc and sanford at 2006 evo (in this one he push blocks the 2ND set of drones

dood sealhunta you're a complete fucking idiot. what was the thread creators question? "how did somebody do an AHVB through the third set of drones"

you're just stupid and think theoretically instead of FROM EXPERIENCE go to training mode with a friend and tell me what move you have to push block and WHEN to get that AHVB through the 3rd set. dont even fucking post until you find out.

and you know what, give yourself a chance to prove yourself right. go to training mode and push block you're so called "2nd set of drones" and tell me if you recover fast enough to AHVB through the 3rd set... through, not after.

the only use in push blocking the 2nd set is to punish a sentinel who might mouthbeam/rp. which is just stupid cuz if you mess up you eat another HSF.

thats why if you even bother doing that shit, you should push block the first RP after a slight delay after it makes contact and before the first set of drones touch you.


thank you, you're wrong. i'm right. stop speaking off "theorys" and videos and practice one time. don't post unless you know from experience :rolleyes::arazz::rofl::annoy::wasted:




just thought of somethin. have someone HSF you without doing a mouth beam or a RP before it. push block the first set of drones, try and ahvb and tell me what happens

[piponaz]

to sealhunta: tech master is right. you can't push block the 2nd set of drones if you want to ahvb you're opponent inside the hsf. you'll still be in block stun if you do that.

to tech master: dude, you're wrong. it doesn't mean that the videos show they pushed blocked on the rocket punch or the laser that you can't push block on the first set of drones and ahvb on the 2nd set of drones. you're like calling duc a liar.


just thought of somethin. have someone HSF you without doing a mouth beam or a RP before it. push block the first set of drones, try and ahvb and tell me what happens

in a match HSFing someone without mouth beam or RP first is not so useful that's why you don't see it too often, but that doesn't prove anything in our argument. why don't you try it on practice mode and tell us what happens. i already did try it and it worked for me. now, it's your turn and prove it to yourself.

[tech master]

to sealhunta: tech master is right. you can't push block the 2nd set of drones if you want to ahvb you're opponent inside the hsf. you'll still be in block stun if you do that.

to tech master: dude, you're wrong. it doesn't mean that the videos show they pushed blocked on the rocket punch or the laser that you can't push block on the first set of drones and ahvb on the 2nd set of drones. you're like calling duc a liar.



in a match HSFing someone without mouth beam or RP first is not so useful that's why you don't see it too often, but that doesn't prove anything in our argument. why don't you try it on practice mode and tell us what happens. i already did try it and it worked for me. now, it's your turn and prove it to yourself.

i still don't think im wrong. i don't care how often its useful or not if somebody HSF's without doing a move first. the fact is, if somebody HSF's you without doing a move before it, you should still be able to AHVB before the third set if what you're saying is true. i've yet to see anyone do that WITHOUT a rp or mouth beam first.

so you're saying im wrong that you push block the projectile before HSF? thats odd, because i recall PERFORMING a AHVB after push blocking the RP.

so you're saying you've performed the AHVB through the third set by pushblocking the first set. show me on video (without anybody doing a mouth beam or RP before the HSF) of you AHVB through the third set and i'll shuttup.

you can be right, but even if you are it seems like it would be twice as hard to do. he probably tells you to pushblock the first set because the time you need to PB is closer to the first set than the RP but technically i truly believe its the RP you are push blockin. i cant recall anyone AHVB through the third set when the opponent didnt perform a RP or mouth beam before the HSF.

now if you say you've done it in training mode, i really hope you did it without anyone doing a rp or mouth beam first. you could be right, its just that it would be twice as much strict timing to do it on the first set.

oh and saying to pushblock the HSF (without a RP or mouth beam) does prove somethin. it determines if what you are pushblockin is really the first set or the RP. because technically if you are push blockin the first set, then you wouldnt need a mouthbbeam or RP before it in order to AHVB the third set

[tech master]

i was just thinking, even in the video where he succesfully pushblocked and AHVB (that landed) through the 3rd set you can see that the pushblock animation occurs BEFORE the first set even hits him. he already showed in the video that if you pushblock ANY later, that sentinel can block.

for this reason only, i dont think you're telling the truth about performing it.

[FighterBox2006]

You need to pushblock before the first wave of drones. If you pushblock the first wave itself, Cable will be freed before the third wave, but even if you manage to do a really really low AHVB Sentinel will be able to block it.

If you pushblock the second wave, you will be free after the third wave. Good enough to do straight jump and AHVB Sent if he tries something funny.

You do pushblock after the first wave is on screen (I use the clock as my reference point), but before it catches you, so in fact you're pushblocking an HP, Hail Storm or something else, using your previous blockstun.

If you get the timing, Cable will be free just after the second wave of drones has passed, giving you time to do a well-timed high AHVB. It needs to be high because you must get the horizontal invencibility frames in relation to the drones, but you must do this with the higher drones, because they come first (when Sent still can't block).

I can do it, and I am telling you from personal experience. But you can also see on every one of those videos that the pushblock is always made before Cable is touched by the drones.

As for the quote piponaz posted, I think it was just a communications issue. You definitely can't pushblock the first wave and expect to do a high unblockable AHVB after it.

[Green]

In order to AHVB between the 2nd and 3rd wave of drones, Cable must pushblock exactly when the 1st wave of drones reaches the midpoint of the screen (look at the middle drone, not the top or bottom - they're staggered).

[tech master]

THANK YOU! thats what i've been trying to say. these newbs argue somethin they havent proved through trial and error. i can jump out the HSF and i HAVE AHVB a couple times through the HSF

it seems no matter how much i explain with specific details (even with a video that THEY posted) that they think i'm wrong. how can they have credibility if obiously they havent done it?

piponaz even stated that he tried it and was successful. sure buddy...

like i said in the earlier post, it was probably a communication error but these guys are so quick to prove me wrong without ANY REAL KNOWLEDGE and one tells me im a newb at marvel and have only been playing a couple weeks. it gets annoying when people blindly argue when in fact they're just making everyone on the forums dumber

[piponaz]

so you're saying im wrong that you push block the projectile before HSF? thats odd, because i recall PERFORMING a AHVB after push blocking the RP.


what i meant was wrong is this
you DON'T push block ANY set of the drones and DEFINITELY not the second set. and you don't even need to put the stick to nuetral. you CAN, but while learning, you should NEVER.

and that's definitely wrong.


so you're saying you've performed the AHVB through the third set by pushblocking the first set. show me on video (without anybody doing a mouth beam or RP before the HSF) of you AHVB through the third set and i'll shuttup.


yeah, i've done that. i can't show you my own vid because i don't have a cam but i'll make a vid just for you when i do get hold of a cam.

and pls watch this > http://youtube.com/watch?v=w-olS4UWq6g
around the 9:10 min mark, pls tell me he pushed block the laser.


you can be right, but even if you are it seems like it would be twice as hard to do. he probably tells you to pushblock the first set because the time you need to PB is closer to the first set than the RP but technically i truly believe its the RP you are push blockin. i cant recall anyone AHVB through the third set when the opponent didnt perform a RP or mouth beam before the HSF.


what's that supposed to mean?


p.s.
you're saying i'm a newbie like you know me, yeah whatever man, if you can really prove i'm a noob. i'm not here to flame, i'm here to help the community. unlike you, i don't get pissed if i'm corrected, i say "thank you, i stand corrected". you should think before you speak or post.

[tech master]

what i meant was wrong is this


and that's definitely wrong.

dood, what does it take? two other members just agreed with me. how is what i said definitely wrong? and how is it DEFINITELY wrong when you even said yourself you can't push block the 2nd set, and even other members tell you you can't PB the FIRST set.



yeah, i've done that. i can't show you my own vid because i don't have a cam but i'll make a vid just for you when i do get hold of a cam.

i'll be waiting. it just makes me REALLY curious how you've done it, when the original video YOU posted, shows a pushblock right about at the 1st set of drones, and he still couldn't land a AHVB. somethin smells fishy. oh and please dont forget, when you make the vid i better not see ANY move done before the HSF.

and pls watch this > http://youtube.com/watch?v=w-olS4UWq6g
around the 9:10 min mark, pls tell me he pushed block the laser.

(first off, you lose ALOT of credibility posting a HSF that he beamed before AND for posting such a shitty quality video thats sketchy as shit). whats even more funny, is that you had to rely on such a shitty video after i damn near proved you wrong with the original MORE CLEAR video that you posted... anyways..

looks to me he push blocked the laser. even with the shitty quality, it still looks like he pushblocked slightly before the drones

just because the timing of the pushblock was closer to when it hit him, doesnt mean he pushblocked the drones. i mean you seem to claim not to be a "newb." Then explain this, a RP leaves you in blockstun for quite some time right? Specifically you dont recover from the block stun before the first set of drones hits you right? otherwise you'd at least be able to JUMP between the RP and 1st set. So if you pushblock at a split second before the first drones hit (to a point where it looks like you're PB the drones) then technically wouldnt you be push blocking the RP??? RIGHTTT???? pushblocking is very distinct with contact. i really doubt that he was pushblocking the first set at such an early point ESPECIALLY considering the blockstun sentinels beam and RP leave you in lasts until the first set

and about the other video you posted (the first one). PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE tell me why, starting at 0:16, sentinel was able to block the AHVB when cable pushblocked BEFORE the first set AND AHVB as sooooon as he was able to? so how exactly would pushblocking EVEN LATER get you to be able to land a AHVB?


what's that supposed to mean?

it means that i said its possible for you to be right about being able to push block the first set of drones and AHVB (although highly unlikely) but even if you did sentinel would be able to block. the original question of the thread was how to land a AHVB between the 2nd and third set.



you're saying i'm a newbie like you know me, yeah whatever man, if you can really prove i'm a noob. i'm not here to flame, i'm here to help the community. unlike you, i don't get pissed if i'm corrected, i say "thank you, i stand corrected". you should think before you speak or post.

actually i was just refering to sealhunta as a newb. i know you're here to help the community, thats why i havent insulted you like i have sealhunta. sealhunta just posts for the sake of wanting to seem smart when half the shit he posts is bull shit or somethin a newb would do. I do think before i post, i have gone in to complex and specific detail explaining shit that apparently SEVERAL other members AGREE WITH. you wouldn't get irritated if somebody was telling you 2+2=5?

honestly man, you have a weak argument, no proof, have been shut down with your original proof, then resulted in supplying other proof that still pretty much hurts your argument more, you've been accused of as wrong by ME and two other decently knowledged members, and the only person you have behind you is a newb with more neg rep than i thought was possible and "supposedly" duc who you probably had a mis communication with

[piponaz]

i'm done arguing with you man. i'll prove my point when i have the vid.


well, if you are referring your flames to sealhunta, then you should've said "that noob" instead of "these noobs" because that is directed to us both because we are the only ones who replied.

THANK YOU! thats what i've been trying to say. "these newbs" argue somethin they havent proved through trial and error. i can jump out the HSF and i HAVE AHVB a couple times through the HSF


and oh yeah, so 2 members agree with you, that already makes you right?

[tech master]

i'm done arguing with you man. i'll prove my point when i have the vid.

..and so my information shuts him up..

why are you done arguing? is it because you can't explain everything that i've pre-mentioned that supports the odds of you probably being wrong? i seriously want you to answer my billion questions since you seem to know the only concrete information about the game. im not trying to attack you (in any hostile, even verbal way). i just really want you to answer my questions so i can understand you. when i think of all these scenarios and watch the videos, all it does is lead to you being more wrong. im more confused if anything, and the sake of arguing is to clear things up


well, if you are referring your flames to sealhunta, then you should've said "that noob" instead of "these noobs" because that is directed to us both because we are the only ones who replied.

it was probably sealhunta rubbing off on to you. not to mention i argue with people on the forums all day, it was probably more of a "everyone who posts incorrect shit" type thing.


and oh yeah, so 2 members agree with you, that already makes you right?

that makes me more right than you. and me basically breaking down the marvel engine in to terms with strict support that you apparently can't disagree with also makes me more likely to be right than you.

[piponaz]

..and so my information shuts him up..

why are you done arguing? is it because you can't explain everything that i've pre-mentioned that supports the odds of you probably being wrong? i seriously want you to answer my billion questions since you seem to know the only concrete information about the game. im not trying to attack you (in any hostile, even verbal way). i just really want you to answer my questions so i can understand you. when i think of all these scenarios and watch the videos, all it does is lead to you being more wrong. im more confused if anything, and the sake of arguing is to clear things up


i'm just tired of bickering back and forth without proving a point.



it was probably sealhunta rubbing off on to you. not to mention i argue with people on the forums all day, it was probably more of a "everyone who posts incorrect shit" type thing.


gudluck on flaming everybodyelse.



that makes me more right than you. and me basically breaking down the marvel engine in to terms with strict support that you apparently can't disagree with also makes me more likely to be right than you.

with that logic, i think the world would still be square and the earth is still the center of the universe.

p.s.
don't worry, i'll really find a way to make that vid. kyuskite.

[tech master]

i'm just tired of bickering back and forth without proving a point.

thats because you havent made any effort to prove a point besides saying im wrong, and posting videos that only make me more right.

i've made an effort to prove me right and you wrong at the same time. you haven't really done either, definitely havent proved me wrong with anything


gudluck on flaming everybodyelse.

thank you, good luck on proving everything else.




with that logic, i think the world would still be square and the earth is still the center of the universe.

ummm, is that not the logic that humans (only the most dominant creature on the planet from its BRAIN) have been using its entire existence? find the most logical answer (with support) until another one unveiled superceeds it?

are we just supposed to KNOW the answer? seems like you're implying we should be pyschic and already know it. i've done the research, wondered why shit happens, and i can safely say that most people would make the same LOGICAL assumptiom


p.s.
don't worry, i'll really find a way to make that vid. kyuskite.

as long as you prove me wrong with the video, i'll apologize. just don't disappear on me.

[Green]

What the fuck are you guys arguing about? How hard can this be?

piponaz, if the Sentinel doesn't do hp or RP xx HSF, there's no way you can pushblock (unless he used an assist) until you block the first wave of drones. I REALLY don't understand what you're trying to say here. If you don't block anything before HSF, you simply can't pushblock. Also, if it's an HSF out of the blue, you can simply AHVB before the first set hits you, without doing anything else.

[tech master]

What the fuck are you guys arguing about? How hard can this be?

its not hard for me to understand, obviously. ive broken down every single aspect possible to let him know.

however, he insists on just telling me im wrong with no elaboration. if i just leave it at that, every newb that reads this thread wont know who to believe. im just trying to get a final answer from piponaz so this thread can have clarity and a conclusion.

it seems hes more eager to prove me wrong, than to prove hes right

[J360]

you cant guard cancel and hit sentinel if you dont push block either the spit or rp before the drones come. its a late push block so it looks like you push block the 1st set but its actually the projectile, any other way will not catch sentinel before he can block.

[piponaz]

^^^ y'all are probably right... but i do remember ahvb'ing pushblocking the first set, just can't remember if it was blocked... i'll check-up on that laterz...

[tech master]

one more person agrees with what i said, and you push over? yet the entire essay i wrote that solidly proved everything you said wrong in concrete format and even with visual proof (provided by yourself) that was also thoroughly broken down wouldn't convince you? wonderful, glad to know you gain your knowledge about the game from how many people say it, rather than understanding the game, self experimentation, and analyzing situations. either that, or you were butthurt and wanted to argue for the sake of arguing

no need to be stubborn man. i dont even think you need to check up if you AHVB and it was blocked. just watch that original video. pushblocking leaves you in block stun for an exact amount of frames each time. obviously the AHVB was blocked by a pushblock that was done before the drones. why would pushblocking a little later make you leave blockstun quicker? it doesnt.

[piponaz]

one more person agrees with what i said, and you push over? yet the entire essay i wrote that solidly proved everything you said wrong in concrete format and even with visual proof (provided by yourself) that was also thoroughly broken down wouldn't convince you? wonderful, glad to know you gain your knowledge about the game from how many people say it, rather than understanding the game, self experimentation, and analyzing situations. either that, or you were butthurt and wanted to argue for the sake of arguing

no need to be stubborn man. i dont even think you need to check up if you AHVB and it was blocked. just watch that original video. pushblocking leaves you in block stun for an exact amount of frames each time. obviously the AHVB was blocked by a pushblock that was done before the drones. why would pushblocking a little later make you leave blockstun quicker? it doesnt.

i didn't push over, you did by name calling. i just argued sincerely with what i truly believe in. i don't gain knowledge just from how many people say it, etc so stop acting as if you know what i've been through to learn this game. i started from scratch to the top. i wasn't butthurt either, why would that hurt my ego in any sense if til now i do want to learn new things about this game? i will accept i'm wrong when i try it in later time cuz unlike you there we don't get a hold of a console here that easily to practice and experiment on things, we just have the arcades and experiment there, so think of how difficult is that.

[tech master]

i didn't push over, you did by name calling.

hahahahahaha i called you a newb once. i've probably wrote a thousand words in this thread, almost all of which were explaining to you why its not possible and you think that i've pushed you over with name calling? ONE NAME calling out of all that convincing i've been trying to do and thats all you've got from what i've been posting? its more like you're taking it as an insult that you're being corrected :wow::xeye::lame:

[piponaz]

omg. you do assume a lot or perhaps you're real psychiatrist. arguing with what i believed in was a reaction from insult? tnx for the psychoanalysis but spare me.

[tech master]

dood you are just weird, almost pathetic. you got some egotistical problems

you call me a name caller, i explain to you why i'm NOT. and you call me a psychiatrist?

you keep saying its what you SERIOUSLY and SINCERELY believe in. well guess what, you yourself admitted you only done it once and you werent even sure. anyone who argues that and shuts down every other logical information supplied is just a friggin idiot. (yes i called you another name) :crybaby:

fyi, that means im done responding to you. its getting me dumber by the second

[xxphilopiaxx]

We all know you suck, tech. You're just posting some wack-ass knowldege that you probably read somewhere. LOL. This is some big talk for a guy who loses to gambit/tron!

In all seriousness, though, and because I've tested and done it. What tech is saying is correct. you have to pushblock before the first set of drones (if there is an attack before the HSF) in order to Guard cancel TKHVB...

[tech master]

We all know you suck, tech. You're just posting some wack-ass knowldege that you probably read somewhere. LOL. This is some big talk for a guy who loses to gambit/tron!

money match for your life! hahaha. dood i got hit by tron so many times

In all seriousness, though, and because I've tested and done it. What tech is saying is correct. you have to pushblock before the first set of drones (if there is an attack before the HSF) in order to Guard cancel TKHVB...



dood i've done all the in-depth explaining with visual content possible and he still wont believe me. all because he supposedly AHVB'd while pushblocking the first set, and he doesnt even remember if the AHVB hit. :lame: whats funny is that after all this arguing, he is YET to go and practice and try and prove himself right. :lame::lame:

[xxphilopiaxx]

LOL. Thats true.

Why not entertain him? You can pushblock the first set of drones all you want, dude. Good luck trying to do anything worthy afterwards, though. you can continue blocking if you want or SJC AHVB and waste a meter..

whee!

[piponaz]

last rep:

isn't it you, tech, who said to learn not just by hearsay? now you won't let me experiment and prove to my self... so, let me and imma eat a humble pie...

[Green]

mess with the best, die like the rest...

[Aznboi917]

just a question.. but dont you HAVE to put your joystick into neutral to do a guard cancel??? isnt that the whole point of guard cancelin?? =T

[FighterBox2006]

I believe the whole point of guard cancelling is being able to move in situations where you usually would not be able to move.

In my experience, I think that whatever you do while you're in the pushblock animation makes no difference (unless you do a counter). You just need to be certain that, at the first frame after the pushblock ends, you are not holding back, to avoid being caught in guard stun by the drones again.

Most people let it in neutral in most GC scenarios because it is usually easier to do most moves from a neutral position, but that is not an absolute necessity.

If you want to GC the second wave of the drones to do a straight jump afterwards and maybe catch Sentinel while he is doing an HP + Storm or something alike, you can just hold up the whole time.

Some people hold down while GCing vs drones, and then just let the stick bounce at the right time and the stick does a sj by itself (does not work on all sticks). If you watch somebody playing and they simply appear to sj straight from the crouching position they are probably doing that.

You may hold forward to throw an opponent in the middle of his attacking sequence too, or even throw him to your back as well.

While you're into the pushblock animation you will not be able to do anything, asides from counters, and therefore you can do whatever you want. What you do on the frames after the pushblock ends is what counts. Neutral is just the most effective way of doing it, execution-wise, for most people, most of the time.

[Spyro]

Just for the heck of it...

With Cable, you HAVE to pushblock something before HSF to be able to GC xx AHVB and HIT Sent. Could be rp xx hsf, could be c./s.fierce xx hsf, could be an assist xx hsf, could be a super xx hsf.

And no, you don't HAVE to put the stick in neutral in any GC scenario (like FighterBox2006 explained).

[DjClayFace]

i really don't want to be a dick sealhunta but you seem to just post shit just for the hell of posting. obviously you're not even capable of doing half the shit you post because you post incorrect information or shit thats just stupid and will get you raped.

:rofl: I was thinking the same shit man. I was going to say something....but you beat me to it.:rofl:

And for the record Tech is right. You Push Block the attack before the HSF, me and my friend(whiff) practice that shit all the time.

[metrock1]

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And for the record Tech is right. You Push Block the attack before the HSF, me and my friend(whiff) practice that shit all the time.

Dont you mean block the attck before the HSF then pushblock just before the 1st set of drones?

[DjClayFace]

Dont you mean block the attck before the HSF then pushblock just before the 1st set of drones?

That what i said...Push Block the attack before the HSF. The way you said it still means the attack before the HSF.

[metrock1]

That what i said...Push Block the attack before the HSF. The way you said it still means the attack before the HSF.
Youre pushblocking the drones themselves :rolleyes: Not the attack he comes prior to hsf.

[DjClayFace]

Youre pushblocking the drones themselves :rolleyes: Not the attack he comes prior to hsf.

Do you have the Evo 2006 DVD, if you do watch Duc vs. Jmar game 2, Jmar does Sent's c.spit, Duc block's it, Jmar cancel's to HSF, hyper combo game freeze, game returns to normal, Sent's 1st set of drones are coming, Duc push block's inches before the 1st set of drones hit his cable, and so on. Duc push blocked the attack before the hsf. I do it the same way Duc does.

[tech master]

i think its all a misconception on how people view whats being pushblocked. since you're pushblocking RIGHT before the drones it would seem like you're pushblockin the drones, but you can't pushblock what hasn't made contact yet. You're still in hit stun from the spit/rp/projectile and can pushblock a few frames after. so if the drones havent touched you and you're pushblockin, its the projectile you're pushblocking.

[Green]

Youre pushblocking the drones themselves :rolleyes: Not the attack he comes prior to hsf.
Do you even play this game?

[metrock1]

Do you even play this game?
Yeah do U?

[Green]

Yeah do U?
No. Which is funny because even I could tell you were wrong.

[metrock1]

No. Which is funny because even I could tell you were wrong.

Now now ur funny, like Tech siad its a misconception of the wording or combo whatever. I can do this in game and in training. I can also do another timing method wich is different to Ducs(Commys) method. To me its the drones that are being PBd and not the attack prior. Its sad you want to be a sarcastic jackass about a game that you dont play.

[Green]

Now now ur funny, like Tech siad its a misconception of the wording or combo whatever. I can do this in game and in training. I can also do another timing method wich is different to Ducs(Commys) method. To me its the drones that are being PBd and not the attack prior. Its sad you want to be a sarcastic jackass about a game that you dont play.
I actually do play this game. Sorry for confusing you.

Don't try to play with the semantics. We all know that you can only pushblock during block stun, and the drones don't give you any.

[Spyro]

To me its the drones that are being PBd and not the attack prior.

You have to be in blockstun to pushblock so you literally are pushblocking the attack prior.

[metrock1]

I know Im wrong, I know Im an ass. I just like to argue. Ok not really..................

[Deathfist]

I think everyone needs to calm down here.

I think the main thing everyone is fighting over is when and what you guardpush. I think this is the solution, and instructions on how to find it...
1]Use firefox
2]Install downloadhelper into it.
3]Install Gabest media player classic or some other playback software that allows you to avance single frames, and save those frames.
4]Download the following video...
http://youtube.com/watch?v=QCZ1p6UiNjU&mode=related&search=
5]Play the video using your playback software and stop alittle before the first successful guardcancel to AHVB.
6]Begin advancing 1 frame at a time till you get the single frame you're after for the guardpush.
-With Media player classic [I used the k-lite codec pack edition] you tap forward arrow to advance single frames.
7]Save the images to the desired folder, expand them, and look carefully at them.

Green's response appears the closest to being right, so I'll rewrite it in a way that I like better.

You guardpush the blockstun created by the rocketpunch [or the laser] when any of the following conditions are met...
1]the back half of the first drone is perfectly under the clock [minus the flame]
2]the middle drone is perfectly under the clock [The best example] or...
3]the bottom drone is just before the end of the super bar on the side where Sentinel fires the drones from. This makes this drone just before the clock.

To get the AHVB off, you neutral the stick, or place it in any position except a jumping or blocking one, and AHVB between the second and third waves. In the case of the person who did this one, he had his stick in a walking position before he did this. The guy in this video began the AHVB command when the back half of the top drone was perfectly under the clock [he began the crouch part of the tiger knee then I mean]

I hope this helps everyone.

Metrock1 and Green are right about the timing, Tech Master probably is too. Technically, Tech master is correct in what is being guardpushed. The actual reality is that it's the guardstun created by the previous move that is being guardpushed, not the actual move that created the blockstun.

It's basically the right timing, badly worded basically.

Therefore, everyone. Please. Take a breather.

[metrock1]

SNIP.


Its funny cuz that is my vid that I put on my youtube. :arazz:

[Green]

It's basically the right timing, badly worded basically.
You don't have to try to find a middle ground. My posts were exceedingly clear.

I would not use a Youtube clip to check frames. Besides, it looks like Sentinel was able to block when Cable shot through HSF.

[metrock1]

You don't have to try to find a middle ground. My posts were exceedingly clear.

I would not use a Youtube clip to check frames. Besides, it looks like Sentinel was able to block when Cable shot through HSF.

I can upload another with a human target if your not satisfied,..................:wasted:

[Green]

I can upload another with a human target if your not satisfied,..................:wasted:
No, it's alright. God knows how many people forget to block while doing HSF. :rofl:

[metrock1]

Well STFU then

[Green]

Well STFU then
How about you suck a dick, Mr. I-can't-take-any-criticism?

[metrock1]

No, it's alright. God knows how many people forget to block while doing HSF. :rofl:
This post reeks of "Im a whiney unsatisfied dick and with one in my mouth" type vibe so Ill let you have your laughs :rofl:

[Green]

This post reeks of "Im a whiney unsatisfied dick and with one in my mouth" type vibe so Ill let you have your laughs :rofl:
Pity, not laughter.