Forum ideas... dood!

[Yeah Dood 120%]

Sup doods,

So I was thinking about possibly moving some stickies and creating a couple new threads/stickies to possibly make things a little more organized and possibly easier for new members around here. I have a couple small ideas to start off with first but want to get everyones input and suggestions as to what could be some good ideas. Here's a couple of my ideas...
First off, merging the 3S & HSF2:AE Good games thread into one good games thread and merging the 3S & HSF2:AE bad games threads into one. Reason for it, well it's not too hard to tell who's giving who the good or bad games and which game you played to get the good or bad game. Doing so will free up 2 more sticky slots for some other threads. Also at the current moment the 3S good games thread has 719 pages while the HSF2 good games thread has 47 pages. So the way I see it, it won't cause much clutter since the vast majority of players here are playing 3S as opposed to HSF2.

Adding an XBL video thread as a sticky. This would prevent having up to 4 or 5 threads on the first page all dedicated to just one set between two people. If anything, well known match recorders like Project Justice & V4MPIRO could simply have 2 slots reserved on the first page of the thread which they can just post all their matches and whenever they add a new match, simply update their first post with the new link to the match and just post in the thread that it's been updated. If needed I can always just be PM'd about it and just add on the the thread title something like "Updated with new vids" or something along those line.

Adding another sticky for a mini advice/stategy section from XBL players for new comers or players just seeking advise. We all know by now that there is a strategy section in SRK but a lot of times the section isn't well known to newer members. This can be a spot for new member to post with players that know them and possibly their play style best, the people they are playing on XBL. It may also feel more comfortable learning with people like Malaguena, Devil Jin, Harmonaz, Xen Master Mark..etc who are all very well respected and great when it comes to giving advise at stepping up peoples gameplay.

Un-stickying the The Instant Messanger Screen Name (http://forums.shoryuken.com/showthread.php?t=109208) thread and replace it with the The Retirement/Comeback/Introduction/Hiatus Thread (http://forums.shoryuken.com/showthread.php?t=116384). I figure, to see someones AIM,Yahoo!, MSN screen name, 90% of the time it's in the persons profile and if it's not on their profile, it's never hurts to ask. Also, with the 360's 3S out now, we're sure to be seeing a lot more new players join in so the The Retirement/Comeback/Introduction/Hiatus Thread may prevent a lot of intro threads from cluttering up the forum.

Possibly merging the HSF2 and 3S match making threads and also stickying them. But we don't need too many stickies so this is just another "iffy" idea.

I guess for know that would be a small start. But it's way open for suggestions. Anyone with ideas feel free to post about them. When we get enough people agreeing or disagreeing with things we can get a move on with things here. Hope to hear from you all soon... dood.

[Korin Zynn]

I like the merging of both 3s and HF. The video thread is cool too. There is another one already in the fighting game section but i think if its just for xbox live video matches that would be sweet. Just as long as people dont complain about the lag everytime they watch themselves. im all for it. I also like the idea for the mini strat section. I think its cool if this section in general has a strategy section because mostly everyone here knows eachother or has played a bunch of people and can give sound advice. espescially with what may or may not work online or not. Just throwing my 2 cents in.

[kingfismit]

120% AGREED:tup:

[DevilJin 01]

Sup doods,

So I was thinking about possibly moving some stickies and creating a couple new threads/stickies to possibly make things a little more organized and possibly easier for new members around here. I have a couple small ideas to start off with first but want to get everyones input and suggestions as to what could be some good ideas. Here's a couple of my ideas...
First off, merging the 3S & HSF2:AE Good games thread into one good games thread and merging the 3S & HSF2:AE bad games threads into one. Reason for it, well it's not too hard to tell who's giving who the good or bad games and which game you played to get the good or bad game. Doing so will free up 2 more sticky slots for some other threads. Also at the current moment the 3S good games thread has 719 pages while the HSF2 good games thread has 47 pages. So the way I see it, it won't cause much clutter since the vast majority of players here are playing 3S as opposed to HSF2.

Adding an XBL video thread as a sticky. This would prevent having up to 4 or 5 threads on the first page all dedicated to just one set between two people. If anything, well known match recorders like Project Justice & V4MPIRO could simply have 2 slots reserved on the first page of the thread which they can just post all their matches and whenever they add a new match, simply update their first post with the new link to the match and just post in the thread that it's been updated. If needed I can always just be PM'd about it and just add on the the thread title something like "Updated with new vids" or something along those line.

Adding another sticky for a mini advice/stategy section from XBL players for new comers or players just seeking advise. We all know by now that there is a strategy section in SRK but a lot of times the section isn't well known to newer members. This can be a spot for new member to post with players that know them and possibly their play style best, the people they are playing on XBL. It may also feel more comfortable learning with people like Malaguena, Devil Jin, Harmonaz, Xen Master Mark..etc who are all very well respected and great when it comes to giving advise at stepping up peoples gameplay.

Un-stickying the The Instant Messanger Screen Name (http://forums.shoryuken.com/showthread.php?t=109208) thread and replace it with the The Retirement/Comeback/Introduction/Hiatus Thread (http://forums.shoryuken.com/showthread.php?t=116384). I figure, to see someones AIM,Yahoo!, MSN screen name, 90% of the time it's in the persons profile and if it's not on their profile, it's never hurts to ask. Also, with the 360's 3S out now, we're sure to be seeing a lot more new players join in so the The Retirement/Comeback/Introduction/Hiatus Thread may prevent a lot of intro threads from cluttering up the forum.

Possibly merging the HSF2 and 3S match making threads and also stickying them. But we don't need too many stickies so this is just another "iffy" idea.

I guess for know that would be a small start. But it's way open for suggestions. Anyone with ideas feel free to post about them. When we get enough people agreeing or disagreeing with things we can get a move on with things here. Hope to hear from you all soon... dood.

I like all those ideas. Oh and yeah I just quoted all of that to be a hard ass. Gotta make you do some work. :lol:

[SF and PROS]

Merging the GGs and Bgs thread is a good idea for the reasons you stated.

The video thread makes no sense since it doesn't really clutter, and cuts down on possible discussion space to the corresponding matches, and might become a mess to navigate. Instead of sticking a video thread, why not sticky an etiquette thread to let players know how to behave online?

The Messenger screen name thread idea is good, since it's pointless to have it for the reason that most people could simply add their AIM/MSN/Yahoo names on their profile.

Your strategy section could be replaced by a "Noob's guide to 3S online," which could either include etiquette (or links to etiquette thread) as well as links to the strategy section in the 3S forums.

Merging the matchmaking threads is no biggie as long as people put what game they are matchmaking for. Also could be part of the Noob'd guide thread. A noob's guide thread is IMO top priority since you could cram it with all types of anti-noob mechanisms. In other words prevent duplicate threads, by having links to existing threads of interest covering all subjects.


P.S. You could do a poll if you want to go in the really democratic way. :smile:

[Shadowstep]

Not sure about that SF3 with HF merger thread because some may get confuse about BG report but in what game? would it be 3rd strike or hyper fighting but your the man DOOOD! so what ever takes place, I'm with ya

120 percent!!!

[Murt!]

Merging the matchmaking threads could be problem, as finding an srk match for 3S is easy but finding any matches for SF2 is not.

[MaybeMemories]

all great ideas, implement !

[DevilJin 01]

Merging the matchmaking threads could be problem, as finding an srk match for 3S is easy but finding any matches for SF2 is not.

WTF? If you say that everyone might as well just not play Hyper anymore. Just merge the threads already. If you wanna play Hyper you're already out of the ordinary and will more than likely let people know that you specifically want to play that game. It's not like the game just came out. It's been 2 years...dont need all these specific threads for both games. People just dont play Hyper anymore and those that still do just post that they are specifically looking for Hyper matches.

[NG1313]

Sticky Board At Work. Agreed on the rest too :tup:

:china: :rofl:

[Yeah Dood 120%]

:china: Awesome guys, it's good to see some of the different views from everyone. If anyone else has more suggestions, please feel free to discuss them in here. After we get enough members in here and we discuss more ideas we can (like SF & PROS suggested) start running polls to see what the majority of members think about the various changes and then put them into effect. :tup: Have at it... dood!

[Phil McFly]

Go for it man... you don't need my consent all the time :). That shit you suggested is long overdue anyway... hell even reset the GG/BG since it's a New Dood era and all if you wish.

If I ever disagree about something you'll know it =D... as for now... mod awayyyyyyy.

-Me

[fatboy]

Being a HSF XBL player...

I kinda like having the HSF threads separate... but I see I am the minority :sweat:
I am totally open to DOOD's idea's.

I just liked the HSF community as small as it was, the way it was.

I'm afriad that if you where to combine the two communities, that it might squish the HSF commuity as small as it is...

Either way I know you'll do what you feel is the best! So I sopport your choices. You just asked ppl's opinion and those where mine for what they're worth!

:wink:

[DevilJin 01]

I say putting both communities in the same topic will if anything broaden HSF community. Posting in the same thread means the 3S peepz will actually have to look at what you guys are saying instead of just not ever entering those topics like I'm sure the majority of people dont. Which may spark interest for those who may have been thinking about getting a game of Hyper in. 47 pages of threads as opposed to the 890234890238 pages of 3S. Yeah...most people dont even look at the thread let alone actually post in it. Once Savalas stopped posting on the regular that thread is almost useless.

Still...opinions aside it's up to the people that vote so if the Hyper players really want to keep their topic then vote it up.

[SuperSamyon]

I've been meaning to post my ideas for a while here but haven't had a chance. First off, I think its great that this forum is undergoing some revamps.

1)Merging the two threads makes sense and is a good idea. Devil Jin brought up a good point that if anything, having the threads together may strike some interest in HF. I can voucher for the fact that many player skip the HF threads completely since I can't remember the last time I visited one of them. Expansion is the key for our community and perhaps this will be a great way of expanding the HF community.

2) Less is more when it comes to stickies. I rather have about 3-4 stickies that are important rather than just random knowledge stickes. As SF and Pros suggested, having a post that is a noob guide would really go a long way. A FAQ if you will. We can have links or detailed desriptions for the most commonly asked and redundant questions posted in our forum.

3)A tips and tricks thread may start out OK, but in time I think it may lose its usefullness once it starts getting too big and valuable information is lost in the many posts. What I suggest that we do is focus on a character each week and everyone can discuss their strategies in dealing with and using that character. Then if you want to have something stickied we can have a "Character Thread" stickied with links to all of those weekly discussions. That way if someone wants to find out about Ken they can click the "Character Thread" topic then find Ken in the directory, then click on that link to go to that thread focusing on nothing other than Ken. It will make things easy and clean and free from any cumberson "one size fits all" thread.

Even better is to have a calender for the coming 4 months where we can have each weeks character planned out.

[fatboy]

Posting in the same thread .... may spark interest

True, I can't deny that is a fair/reasonable/honest point. :wgrin:

I have to admit I like the tight group that plays HSF. I guess a more important point would be that I am afraid of diluting the pool with those less into the game. :shake: ... Then utlimately, the quality of the thread for the HSF players goes down.

But, I actually hope to be worng on that. I hope your point comes true. That would be awsome!

I am open to the change, just a little bit worried. :wonder: Which I think is a fair statement to make.

I am just protective of the old school... LOL

Maybe, I just need to be held and told "its going to be ok." ... LOL .... :lol:

[HarmoNaz]

Yeah...

DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOD :rock:

[Yeah Dood 120%]

Good post Malaguena!

@Fatboy, I see what your saying and where you are coming from. If in fact we do end up merging the 2 games and the HSF players feel that it's hurting their scene then by all means, we can always just separate them again. We'll just give it a little time and see how it works out.

On a somewhat related note, another reason I could see for merging the 2 games is that SF2 HD Remix is coming out pretty soon and I can see a lot of HSF players switching over to it depending on how well it's actually made. If Capcom/Udon pull it off right and make it superior then there's a chance that the XBL HSF scene may even get smaller and migrate over to the HD version. Well have to just wait and see though because better graphics doesn't mean better games. Just some random thinking of mine... dood.

[SF and PROS]

An observation to add to the the discussion: Why even have the GGs and BGs (whether merged or not) stickied? They are the most popular/used/viewed threads in any case, and always remain on top. Freeing up stickies with the mindset of less is more is something that can go a long way.

Noob's guide/FAQ most definitely though, that should be the one stickied at the top.

[DevilJin 01]

Good point. 3S GG's/BG's threads bump themselves.

[Shadowstep]

Good point. 3S GG's/BG's threads bump themselves.

Damn Jin you are not suppose to go against the ninja clan and are you coming to EVO west because I'm coming to VA next month!!!

[DevilJin 01]

LOL. Definitely bring yoself to VA again. Be cool to meet up with you and get some games in before Evo. The only reason I would go to West is to try and qualify and my chances honestly are even slimmer there than they were at East. Actually East should have been free granted I stayed on point during winners. I might as well have just tried to go to North like a few of the MD/VA players are already planning to do. No point in going all the way out West to try and qualify and then have to spend money again to go to Vegas. If I beat a few people in pools this time in Vegas I'll be happy. I'm not that ballin. :lol:

[Yeah Dood 120%]

An observation to add to the the discussion: Why even have the GGs and BGs (whether merged or not) stickied? They are the most popular/used/viewed threads in any case, and always remain on top. Freeing up stickies with the mindset of less is more is something that can go a long way.

Noob's guide/FAQ most definitely though, that should be the one stickied at the top.Really good point there too.

It seems like fatboy is the only HSF player giving his opinion here so far and it'd be nice to see more HSF players post about their thoughts and ideas. The HSF community here may be a lot smaller but your opinions are still very much wanted.

This thread is still open for more suggestions so keep them coming. I figure that starting tomorrow (Saturday) we can start running some of the polls for the current suggestions. I would like to start the voting today and start getting these changes going but I want to wait and see what more HSF players have to say. Anyone cool with that... dood?

[DevilJin 01]

Really good point there too.

It seems like fatboy is the only HSF player giving his opinion here so far and it'd be nice to see more HSF players post about their thoughts and ideas. The HSF community here may be a lot smaller but your opinions are still very much wanted.

This thread is still open for more suggestions so keep them coming. I figure that starting tomorrow (Saturday) we can start running some of the polls for the current suggestions. I would like to start the voting today and start getting these changes going but I want to wait and see what more HSF players have to say. Anyone cool with that... dood?


Yeah...you'd think someone else other than Murt and Fatboy would post by now. Guess we're merging those threads. :lol:

[LeRaldo]

An observation to add to the the discussion: Why even have the GGs and BGs (whether merged or not) stickied? They are the most popular/used/viewed threads in any case, and always remain on top. Freeing up stickies with the mindset of less is more is something that can go a long way.

When the thread isn't getting bumped though, it will take those extra seconds to find it. Not that big of a deal, but I think when a thread is used as much as the GG/BG thread, it deserves a sticky. Allows super easy access at all times, and maybe signifies it's worth to newer posters, etc.

Basically, it's important, gets used a lot, so that's why it should stay stickied in my opinion.

As for the merging of the HSFII and 3s GG/BG threads, I have to admit, it makes SOME sense, but I'm against it. I rarely read the 3s threads, as I rarely play 3s. I'd have to wade through a lot (and I mean a lot) of 3s posts to find anything relating to HSFII. And HSFII people might not even bother posting if the threads were merged, or maybe they would. Who knows, it wouldn't hurt to try, anyways.

There aren't really that many stickies in my opinion, I don't really see the point in changing too much. Adding some of the previous stickies mentioned (like a Newb FAQ/Guide, etc) would be a good idea as well. And I agree with getting rid of the "Instant Messenger" sticky, it's pretty worthless.

[SF and PROS]

Actually the threads that should get stickied are the ones that are viewed a lot, and will continue to be viewed a lot but isn't posted on as much, if at all after a while (to keep the info from diluting) such as a FAQ, Guide, etc....and a good sticky is often a thread that has also been closed so that morons don't spoil the info it contains, or at least not without mod authorization. However a thread that gets at least a post a day is going to survive on its own, and I challenge anybody to show me how is it that the garbage in the GGs and BGs threads is of such value that cannot afford to go a couple spots down the list of threads.

P.S. Funny how Malaguena just repeated what I said, but Dood gives him an excellent post comment. Didn't notice before, but found it humorous as fuck. Not that I care about patronage as long as he does his job.

[artisticrage]

i think it was malaguena's 3rd point which got him kudos. but yea... u guys have fun. *i'm just tanned artistic being tanned artistic..*

[fatboy]

As for the merging of the HSFII and 3s GG/BG threads, I have to admit, it makes SOME sense, but I'm against it. I rarely read the 3s threads, as I rarely play 3s. I'd have to wade through a lot (and I mean a lot) of 3s posts to find anything relating to HSFII. And HSFII people might not even bother posting if the threads were merged .... snip


Yeah, that was my concern. Leraldo, definately put the thoughts/idea into a better example. :sweat:

Though, I am open to try it out :tup:, but that is my ultimate fear.

But sometimes, just one thing to keep in mind, it is hard to undue what has already been done. If you combine them, and ultimately squash HSF, how do you bring it back to where it was? ..... You probably can't :sad:

[DevilJin 01]

Actually the threads that should get stickied are the ones that are viewed a lot, and will continue to be viewed a lot but isn't posted on as much, if at all after a while (to keep the info from diluting) such as a FAQ, Guide, etc....and a good sticky is often a thread that has also been closed so that morons don't spoil the info it contains, or at least not without mod authorization. However a thread that gets at least a post a day is going to survive on its own, and I challenge anybody to show me how is it that the garbage in the GGs and BGs threads is of such value that cannot afford to go a couple spots down the list of threads.

P.S. Funny how Malaguena just repeated what I said, but Dood gives him an excellent post comment. Didn't notice before, but found it humorous as fuck. Not that I care about patronage as long as he does his job.


Mala is just slick like that. :lol:

[SF and PROS]

Or maybe I'm just not slick enough.....:lol:

[Yeah Dood 120%]

P.S. Funny how Malaguena just repeated what I said, but Dood gives him an excellent post comment. Didn't notice before, but found it humorous as fuck. Not that I care about patronage as long as he does his job.Yeah I was referring more to Malaguena's 3rd statement in that post. :rofl: Malaguena can be slick lick that, what with his gift of the silver tongue.

As I'm seeing it so far, 2 out of 2 HSF players would rather not have the threads merged. Though it's a smaller amount of people that differ in the opinion, I'd say that their opinion on it would weight more since they have less voices in their community to speak out. Perhaps just merging the 2 Bad Games threads into 1 could work since it's mainly just for trash talk anyways but keeping 2 separate Good Games threads for each game... dood?

[V4MPIRO]

I vote 4 one thread for BGs and one for GGs 4 both games.

[SuperSamyon]

:nunchuck::encore::encore::encore::china: :uf:+:hk: :hp::qcb::hk: FTW!

So slick that a SpoonFulofMalaguena helps the medicine go down!:rofl:

[LeRaldo]

Actually the threads that should get stickied are the ones that are viewed a lot, and will continue to be viewed a lot but isn't posted on as much, if at all after a while (to keep the info from diluting) such as a FAQ, Guide, etc....and a good sticky is often a thread that has also been closed so that morons don't spoil the info it contains, or at least not without mod authorization.
I agree for the most part, but...


However a thread that gets at least a post a day is going to survive on its own, and I challenge anybody to show me how is it that the garbage in the GGs and BGs threads is of such value that cannot afford to go a couple spots down the list of threads.
If the HSFII and 3s GGs/BGs threads are NOT merged, the 3s GGs/BGs threads might (will) survive, but the HSFII threads might end up getting bumped into the extra pages. But even if that weren't the case, I think that it should stay sticked. I believe the GGs/BGs threads are a big part of the "Street Fighter Anniversary Collection for Xbox Live" forum.

[SF and PROS]

I'm bored so:


Merging the GGs and Bgs thread is a good idea for the reasons you stated.

The video thread makes no sense since it doesn't really clutter, and cuts down on possible discussion space to the corresponding matches, and might become a mess to navigate. Instead of sticking a video thread, why not sticky an etiquette thread to let players know how to behave online?

The Messenger screen name thread idea is good, since it's pointless to have it for the reason that most people could simply add their AIM/MSN/Yahoo names on their profile.

Your strategy section could be replaced by a "Noob's guide to 3S online," which could either include etiquette (or links to etiquette thread) as well as links to the strategy section in the 3S forums.

Merging the matchmaking threads is no biggie as long as people put what game they are matchmaking for. Also could be part of the Noob'd guide thread. A noob's guide thread is IMO top priority since you could cram it with all types of anti-noob mechanisms. In other words prevent duplicate threads, by having links to existing threads of interest covering all subjects.


P.S. You could do a poll if you want to go in the really democratic way. :smile:

I've been meaning to post my ideas for a while here but haven't had a chance. First off, I think its great that this forum is undergoing some revamps.

1)Merging the two threads makes sense and is a good idea. Devil Jin brought up a good point that if anything, having the threads together may strike some interest in HF. I can voucher for the fact that many player skip the HF threads completely since I can't remember the last time I visited one of them. Expansion is the key for our community and perhaps this will be a great way of expanding the HF community.

2) Less is more when it comes to stickies. I rather have about 3-4 stickies that are important rather than just random knowledge stickes. As SF and Pros suggested, having a post that is a noob guide would really go a long way. A FAQ if you will. We can have links or detailed desriptions for the most commonly asked and redundant questions posted in our forum.

3)A tips and tricks thread may start out OK, but in time I think it may lose its usefullness once it starts getting too big and valuable information is lost in the many posts. What I suggest that we do is focus on a character each week and everyone can discuss their strategies in dealing with and using that character. Then if you want to have something stickied we can have a "Character Thread" stickied with links to all of those weekly discussions. That way if someone wants to find out about Ken they can click the "Character Thread" topic then find Ken in the directory, then click on that link to go to that thread focusing on nothing other than Ken. It will make things easy and clean and free from any cumberson "one size fits all" thread.

Even better is to have a calender for the coming 4 months where we can have each weeks character planned out.

Only difference is that I find it redundant to discuss strategy for each character here when it's already being done in the :lol: what's it called? Ohh yeahh....strategy.....ergh.....section of 3S no? Providing links to the strategies, etc is more useful than creating a new sticky. Now not to be misinterpreted, since there is room for strategy discussion here, but I see it as more of a match specific discussion like video threads.

On a less serious note, it would make sense to create a strategy section here in the online forums only if we were to discuss online specific strategies, in which case forget about Shinshay, Exodus, Calipower, etc....being the role models for good play. In come (with thunderous applause) Autistic Rage, Gayfordo, Victriny 3, *** Ninja, Fraust Dogger, and their brethren (word stolen from Poppy).

I agree for the most part, but...

If the HSFII and 3s GGs/BGs threads are NOT merged, the 3s GGs/BGs threads might (will) survive, but the HSFII threads might end up getting bumped into the extra pages. But even if that weren't the case, I think that it should stay sticked. I believe the GGs/BGs threads are a big part of the "Street Fighter Anniversary Collection for Xbox Live" forum.

I thought of that already, if Dood's idea was a new product in terms of marketing we could do a "pilot" of his idea, and see how it turns out. Just because they merge for instance, doesn't mean they have to stay merged. They might if the forum goes "modless" after Dood's excitement wears off, but it's too soon to speak of that.

[SuperSamyon]

While it may be redundant, having a startegy section that is more "alive" would be beneficial since a lot of the topics in the Old strategy section are dead.

I think it will also be fun if we help facilitate a "what I know and what I need" discussion. With new strategy postings, if a new player has a question about a certain strategy, all they need to do is ask and the person who wrote said strategy can respond immediately which is something that can't be said for this forum's old strategy section. Keeping things current helps keep things alive because just seeing the knowledge on paper sometimes isn't enough. Comprehension is the key to 3s.

Besides, it will help add to the richness of this forum since outside of posting ggs/bgs, there is really nothing else to talk about in regards to 3s that hasn't been talked about somewhere else.

[hold dat]

holy shit i just checked my voicemail and i got a message from the Dood about 2 weeks ago i just noticed....

dont ban me dood...lol

[SF and PROS]

While it may be redundant, having a startegy section that is more "alive" would be beneficial since a lot of the topics in the Old strategy section are dead.

I think it will also be fun if we help facilitate a "what I know and what I need" discussion. With new strategy postings, if a new player has a question about a certain strategy, all they need to do is ask and the person who wrote said strategy can respond immediately which is something that can't be said for this forum's old strategy section. Keeping things current helps keep things alive because just seeing the knowledge on paper sometimes isn't enough. Comprehension is the key to 3s.

Besides, it will help add to the richness of this forum since outside of posting ggs/bgs, there is really nothing else to talk about in regards to 3s that hasn't been talked about somewhere else.

We can agree on the strategy alive thing, but to keep it alive here where it matters not is pointless. Like I said, do you plan to interview artistic rage on how to jump in super consistently in a set? No. Do you plan to interview Gayfordo on how to pick the right moment to drop? No. Well if you answered (sincerely hope you did answer) no, then explain to me how discussing real offline 3S strategies will enrich this forum? And how is it that not discussing it in the existing 3S strategy section will not accomplish the same thing? Perhaps even better since more people should be checking that part of the forum.

About enriching the forum, well that can be done in other ways, but the reason why this forum is not going to get much enriching is simply because this is not where the money is at. Ninety five percent of the players on Live will not attend, compete, or watch tournament footage (example Evo footage) so why should this forum be "hot"? I am oversimplifying and pulling statistics out of my ass, as if most statistics weren't done the same way......but you get my hint.

[SuperSamyon]

We can agree on the strategy alive thing, but to keep it alive here where it matters not is pointless. Like I said, do you plan to interview artistic rage on how to jump in super consistently in a set? No. Do you plan to interview Gayfordo on how to pick the right moment to drop? No. Well if you answered (sincerely hope you did answer) no, then explain to me how discussing real offline 3S strategies will enrich this forum? And how is it that not discussing it in the existing 3S strategy section will not accomplish the same thing? Perhaps even better since more people should be checking that part of the forum.

The purpose of the discussion in my view is simply to add richness to this forum. All sarcasm aside, legitimate offline strategies still work online. How well they work depends on the lag. True there are many crappy players online who don't really care to improve their game, there are others who have a genuine interest in becoming a better player and just need a teacher.

There are a lot of posters who ONLY visit this site. There was a time when I never left this forum to venture into the other forums out there. Many casual live players probably just have this forum stickied and don't really care enough to look around to improve. But if they see some of the better players discussion strategy that is sane and insane, they may take in interest in learning 3s theology to better improve their game. By offering the knowledge and letting them sip on it it can maybe induce a greater thirst to become a better player.

Another reason is simple this: I like discussing 3s strategy and since this who forum is devoted to 3s, it seems like a fitting place to just have a number of topics discussing 3s. Its a shame that after all this time our topics consist of "lag online!" and "when is this coming out for 360!??!" rather than "Definitions of Lag Tactics, Good Footsies" and the like. We have a whole forum devoted to this game yet most of its real estate is squandered on nothing other than "you dropped on me you suck!"

Of course, not everyone has to participate in this discussion and they are free to ignore the strategy post (as I would hope they would if they were just going to come to the topic posting negative things) and instead take part in the many useless other threads in this forum. The way I see it, if people can post random junk all day long then I should be allowed to post a tips thread:)

On that note, here is the calender I am proposing. If this gets enough interest, we'll go ahead and start it. We need people who use these characters to be willing to talk about them otherwise the threads will be dead.

June 17th-Ken
June 24th-Remy
July 1st-Ibuki
July 8th-Urien
July 15th-Dudley
July 22nd-Akuma
July 29th-Makato
August 5th-Ryu
August 12th-Oro
August 19th-Q
August 26th-Elena

Would enough of the experienced players be willing to take on the first batch of characters?

[SF and PROS]

Slick, but you're misinterpreting my point, and I'll briefly point it out:

1. "3S Advice, Where are scrubs going with this," rings the bell?

2. When did I say not to discuss strategy, and instead indulge in the topics over saturated with bullshit? There is room for strategy, but what you're suggesting, which is individual character strategy threads should be put in the 3S strategy forum. If people don't venture out of this forum, well a sticky with a link to the strategy section will lead them there, and they might even become interested in the rest of the stuff out there. Maybe even become premium members! :lol:

3. I cannot disagree with you on the threads regarding definitions of lag tactics, etiquette, etc...isn't that what I was trying to do before? Isn't that what you tried doing before? Isn't that what Exo tried before? There is a historical precedent that I am trying to touch upon, and as one of the guys that knows the beauty of my genius I think you know why.

P.S. The forum is devoted to SFAC the game online, not just 3S. That is the 3S section under the strategy section. Not being a smart ass, but trying to remember the HF guys.

P.P.S. Being a marketer I like how you close a sale partner, and with your graph making skills.....still puppet master gets job done no?

[SuperSamyon]

Slick, but you're misinterpreting my point, and I'll briefly point it out:

1. "3S Advice, Where are scrubs going with this," rings the bell?

2. When did I say not to discuss strategy, and instead indulge in the topics over saturated with bullshit? There is room for strategy, but what you're suggesting, which is individual character strategy threads should be put in the 3S strategy forum. If people don't venture out of this forum, well a sticky with a link to the strategy section will lead them there, and they might even become interested in the rest of the stuff out there. Maybe even become premium members! :lol:

3. I cannot disagree with you on the threads regarding definitions of lag tactics, etiquette, etc...isn't that what I was trying to do before? Isn't that what you tried doing before? Isn't that what Exo tried before? There is a historical precedent that I am trying to touch upon, and as one of the guys that knows the beauty of my genius I think you know why.

P.S. The forum is devoted to SFAC the game online, not just 3S. That is the 3S section under the strategy section. Not being a smart ass, but trying to remember the HF guys.

1. That is a good point and we will face the reality that some scurbs can be hit over the head ALL DAY LONG with what not to do but still do it out of stubbornness. But if one good player comes out of it then to me it was worth it since that is one more good player to play against on Live. We need to express the importance of becoming legitimate for those who are so loud in demanding their "respect."

2. That is actually my point in having indiviciual strategy sections: to bring out the bullshit. There is a reason why im choosing to go with Ken for our first topic because there are a LOT of scrubs who use him and USE HIM WRONG. With this ongoing discussion, if someone posts a flawed strategy a better player can go "uh uh, that actually isn't a good idea. Here is why:" My "vision" for this is to put an end to what you hate most: "online only" strategy. In that regard I believe that this strategy section will be less about strategy and more about dispelling online myths. We can start bringing out strategies that a lot of the novice posters in this forum swear by. Of course, that still requires that they READ it which is another battle.

3. Ah I forgot about those posts I made in the past lol. Heck, since they already are made perhaps we can have "The Dood" make the Noob Faq that you suggested and link to them. Who knows, if they are readily available for people to peruse through maybe they'll actually stick this time.

In the end, its all about the desire to become a better player. This may all be a waste of time if no one reads it, but since I have nothing better to do in the morning during summer... I have nothing to lose. :rofl:

I have not neglected the HSF group and I think it will be a TERRIFIC if they also shared their war stories and tips for the game. Again its up to their community to step up and I hope they do. This forum is too much 3s and not enough HF.

[fatboy]

While it may be redundant, having a startegy section that is more "alive" would be beneficial since a lot of the topics in the Old strategy section are dead.

Isn't that what the Wiki is for? How is that strat section for 3s there? The ST section of the Wiki is great.

[SuperSamyon]

Isn't that what the Wiki is for? How is that strat section for 3s there? The ST section of the Wiki is great.

You know... I completely forgot about that Wiki lol.:rofl:

Ok, what if instead of a strategy section we do a character matchup section? With questions such as "I like to use Ken, but Yun owns me, got any tips?"

Thoughts?

[DevilJin 01]

Yeah...I can just see the character specific thread just dwindling down once people stop talking about Ken. I'd be really surprised if some real discussion actually gets put together. We'll see I guess.

Yeah...when it comes to strategy over Xbox Live it's generally that outside of the lag people have problems with general character matchups. People always talk about how they have a hard time against this person's Remy or dont have the first clue on how to deal with Makoto etc.

[SF and PROS]

2. That is actually my point in having indiviciual strategy sections: to bring out the bullshit. There is a reason why im choosing to go with Ken for our first topic because there are a LOT of scrubs who use him and USE HIM WRONG. With this ongoing discussion, if someone posts a flawed strategy a better player can go "uh uh, that actually isn't a good idea. Here is why:" My "vision" for this is to put an end to what you hate most: "online only" strategy. In that regard I believe that this strategy section will be less about strategy and more about dispelling online myths. We can start bringing out strategies that a lot of the novice posters in this forum swear by. Of course, that still requires that they READ it which is another battle.

Again in marketing terms then what you did wrong was the branding. We got the demographic, we got the product, identified the competition (3s Strategy forum) incorrectly. Blame the proposed/possible title (strategy section for XBL forum?) conveyed the wrong image. If what you're looking to do is demolish the bullshit barrier of online incompetence that most of the kiddies online suffer from, then what you need is not compete against the 3S strategy section, but make it an aid. Kinda like Rum and Coke, if you will.

BTW I lost my direction on what I was writing when I read your comment about people disagreeing, I hope that mod presence will be felt when the discussion of parry buffering online arises, etc....you get my point.

Back on track, myth abolishment is good, but 3S strategy replacement bad. Find me a bridge, and reading it won't be a problem as long as we get the Noob Guide/FAQ (not going to fight over the title since you're far slicker and popular, after all I never pay premium) should pretty much guarantee it. Couple it with a thread from our new mod about forum rules and guidelines and then it is law.

Yeah...when it comes to strategy over Xbox Live it's generally that outside of the lag people have problems with general character matchups. People always talk about how they have a hard time against this person's Remy or dont have the first clue on how to deal with Makoto etc.

Makoto and Ibuki are Goddesses online, so a couple of threads dedicated to them would benefit us all.

[SuperSamyon]

Again in marketing terms then what you did wrong was the branding. We got the demographic, we got the product, identified the competition (3s Strategy forum) incorrectly. Blame the proposed/possible title (strategy section for XBL forum?) conveyed the wrong image. If what you're looking to do is demolish the bullshit barrier of online incompetence that most of the kiddies online suffer from, then what you need is not compete against the 3S strategy section, but make it an aid. Kinda like Rum and Coke, if you will.

BTW I lost my direction on what I was writing when I read your comment about people disagreeing, I hope that mod presence will be felt when the discussion of parry buffering online arises, etc....you get my point.

Back on track, myth abolishment is good, but 3S strategy replacement bad. Find me a bridge, and reading it won't be a problem as long as we get the Noob Guide/FAQ (not going to fight over the title since you're far slicker and popular, after all I never pay premium) should pretty much guarantee it. Couple it with a thread from our new mod about forum rules and guidelines and then it is law.

Hey Hey, the noob/faq guide was your idea, I was just backing you up on that one with my post:rofl:

Actually my branding for the strategy section for 3s had always had a dynamic nature to it since I really didn't know what I wanted. It started out as just a random strategy section, then a tips and BS section, to now an online myth buster and character matchup guide. For once an online discussion actually helped shape an idea:rofl:

Thanks for the suggestion Devil Jin, I agree as well. Anyone else?

[DevilJin 01]

Again in marketing terms then what you did wrong was the branding. We got the demographic, we got the product, identified the competition (3s Strategy forum) incorrectly. Blame the proposed/possible title (strategy section for XBL forum?) conveyed the wrong image. If what you're looking to do is demolish the bullshit barrier of online incompetence that most of the kiddies online suffer from, then what you need is not compete against the 3S strategy section, but make it an aid. Kinda like Rum and Coke, if you will.

BTW I lost my direction on what I was writing when I read your comment about people disagreeing, I hope that mod presence will be felt when the discussion of parry buffering online arises, etc....you get my point.

Back on track, myth abolishment is good, but 3S strategy replacement bad. Find me a bridge, and reading it won't be a problem as long as we get the Noob Guide/FAQ (not going to fight over the title since you're far slicker and popular, after all I never pay premium) should pretty much guarantee it. Couple it with a thread from our new mod about forum rules and guidelines and then it is law.



Makoto and Ibuki are Goddesses online, so a couple of threads dedicated to them would benefit us all.


Yeah...if it's a bad connection the strategy comes down to just jump around and be more random than Makoto or just block everything and try to psychic DP or parry Ibuki. In a really good connection you can apply some offline strategies like using certain normals to take out Ibuki's f+MK on reaction or learning how to defend against Mak's wake up games and option selecting her "randomness".

Actually it would be interesting to differentiate strategies between character matchups in a good or bad connection. There are people that do dumb online mix ups with characters like Chun Li who normally would die easily using those tactics in an offline connection. Random SBK's and misc overhead mix ups that are almost never used in tournaments. Generally the strategy would be less in depth than against a solid player in a strong connection but there are still some things you can look for and try to punish just out of reaction. Timing your punishment according to the delay and what not.

[SF and PROS]

Hey Hey, the noob/faq guide was your idea, I was just backing you up on that one with my post:rofl:

Actually my branding for the strategy section for 3s had always had a dynamic nature to it since I really didn't know what I wanted. It started out as just a random strategy section, then a tips and BS section, to now an online myth buster and character matchup guide. For once an online discussion actually helped shape an idea:rofl:

Thanks for the suggestion Devil Jin, I agree as well. Anyone else?

I had started a newbie's guide some time ago, but after the "war" with Brit and her soldiers I decided that from the reaction, or rather lack of reaction to scum-like behavior this forum didn't deserve my hard work. Matter of fact, I had even pledged my not setting foot on it again, but fucking summer break from school, and my procrastination finding a summer internship position just could not be helped......while I am still dwindling in old battles, how is it that properly written, intelligent, or portraying intellectual capacity in one's posts is far more offending than rudely ridiculing, diminishing and polluting the forums.

Yeah...if it's a bad connection the strategy comes down to just jump around and be more random than Makoto or just block everything and try to psychic DP or parry Ibuki. ..snip... Timing your punishment according to the delay and what not.

We had a pretty decent connection last we played, but the bullshit with Ibuki is like when you play Sean, and a lot of fools do the sliding move (Ibuki) tackle thing (Sean) at mid range distance so much, and you can never parry or react on time to block it that pisses me off beyond belief. A good Ibuki player would know that move is pretty much useless, agree DJ? Feel free to tell me I'm wrong since I don't use her, but notice I said "pretty much useless."

P.S. That comment on the sliding move has strong relevance to GuiltySpike15 or some other number, what a fucking scrub. And 2 nasty of tek, who is not a scrub since he knows what he is doing, but the knowledge is abused online.

[SuperSamyon]

I think with Yeah Dood at the helm, less Mob-like or elitist behaviour will be tolerated so we can finally get back on track to making this forum viable again to the community.

If anyone else decided to give up on giving knowledge to the massed perhaps they will also return once they see the disrespectful responses to people's thoughts will no longer be tolerated.

I personally will welcome any noob guide or tips section that can benefit our future "NoobFaq" sticky thread.

[SF and PROS]

Ban aforementioned person and allies as a Bush-like preemptive move to avoid bullshit! Poll any one? :rofl:

[Yeah Dood 120%]

Isn't that what the Wiki is for? How is that strat section for 3s there? The ST section of the Wiki is great.:rofl: Simple headed Yeah Dood didn't even realize that there was a 3rd Strike section in the SRK Wiki. Yeah Dood doesn't read guides/watch vids and such. Thanks for pointing out the wiki!

A noob guide with character specific strats and such could be great too. All your ideas are great. Maybe having a Noob guide stickied and having the first post reserved for links to the 3S wiki, 3s Strategy section and then various links to character specific match ups and discussions could work. The links could possibly stem off of threads from the "calender" list of that Malaguena proposed. :sad: We just need to add Twelve & Hugo to that to do list. Also, maybe some links to some "how to" character videos could be added. Something along the line of what Xen Master Mark was proposing to some of us via PM maybe?

BTW, :looney: you guys type fast as heck and I read so slow. :rofl: Stupid bad right eye of mine isn't making it any better for me either... dood.

[Louie]

Really good point there too.

It seems like fatboy is the only HSF player giving his opinion here so far and it'd be nice to see more HSF players post about their thoughts and ideas. The HSF community here may be a lot smaller but your opinions are still very much wanted.

This thread is still open for more suggestions so keep them coming. I figure that starting tomorrow (Saturday) we can start running some of the polls for the current suggestions. I would like to start the voting today and start getting these changes going but I want to wait and see what more HSF players have to say. Anyone cool with that... dood?

aww man, if only i wasnt so lazy i hated to read so much. whats going on with hsf2? votes? bla bla, whats up? =)

EDIT:!!!: sorry lol, thought this was in the "GGs" section first haha.. well, sounds good to me x)

[Yeah Dood 120%]

holy shit i just checked my voicemail and i got a message from the Dood about 2 weeks ago i just noticed....

dont ban me dood...lol:rofl: I remember leaving that voice mail. Good job at Evo east buddy!aww man, if only i wasnt so lazy i hated to read so much. whats going on with hsf2? votes? bla bla, whats up? =)

EDIT:!!!: sorry lol, thought this was in the "GGs" section first haha.. well, sounds good to me x)Well from the looks of it we probably won't merge the 3S and HSF good games thread since the HSF plays that have come forward are against it. It's may be possible that we could merge the Bad games threads though if they are cool with that. I figure since it is basically dedicated to just trash talking and calling names we might as well just have one... dood.

[SuperSamyon]

:rofl: Simple headed Yeah Dood didn't even realize that there was a 3rd Strike section in the SRK Wiki. Yeah Dood doesn't read guides/watch vids and such. Thanks for pointing out the wiki!

A noob guide with character specific strats and such could be great too. All your ideas are great. Maybe having a Noob guide stickied and having the first post reserved for links to the 3S wiki, 3s Strategy section and then various links to character specific match ups and discussions could work. The links could possibly stem off of threads from the "calender" list of that Malaguena proposed. :sad: We just need to add Twelve & Hugo to that to do list. Also, maybe some links to some "how to" character videos could be added. Something along the line of what Xen Master Mark was proposing to some of us via PM maybe?

BTW, :looney: you guys type fast as heck and I read so slow. :rofl: Stupid bad right eye of mine isn't making it any better for me either... dood.

I think first thing first for the strategy section is perhaps if you were to gather all the available resources that we have already and put it in one big thread (SrK Wiki, strategy links from the strategy forum) and sticky it then we can assest later what is needed (rum and coke like Sf and Pros said) and make threads to fill the gaps.

[DevilJin 01]

We had a pretty decent connection last we played, but the bullshit with Ibuki is like when you play Sean, and a lot of fools do the sliding move (Ibuki) tackle thing (Sean) at mid range distance so much, and you can never parry or react on time to block it that pisses me off beyond belief. A good Ibuki player would know that move is pretty much useless, agree DJ? Feel free to tell me I'm wrong since I don't use her, but notice I said "pretty much useless."

P.S. That comment on the sliding move has strong relevance to GuiltySpike15 or some other number, what a fucking scrub. And 2 nasty of tek, who is not a scrub since he knows what he is doing, but the knowledge is abused online.

Well with Ibuki there are 2 different slides. There's her df+MK normal attack slide which is generally used more often among high level (Japanese) Ibuki players. It's relatively safe on block from further distances and tough to parry on reaction when used sparingly. I unfortunately abuse this move way more than any offline Ibuki player ever should and it loses me money matches and tournaments and I really dont seem to care.

Then there's the qcf+P slide special move that rarely gets used in high level play but is used on the regular among Ibuki scrubs over Xbox Live. Especially the EX version. Which I'm assuming is because it looks like it has excellent start up and speed and recovers quickly. The recovery even on the EX version is terrible minus when it connects at the furthest distance. Unfortunately on Xbox Live those 5 or so frames you may have to punish her get thrown out the window and it all of a sudden becomes a viable mind game (including the other non EX versions). EX qcf+P ultimately leads to an attack that doesn't do any more damage than the HP version. Neither does it leave you with any real chance to take advantage of the knockdown.

qcf+P at high level play is strictly used for shinobi mind game shenanigans and nothing else. Like if the Ibuki player uses it once in a match and it doesn't connect they wont use it again for the rest of the fight. The EX version especially is a waste of meter when used more than once a match and even if it does connect like said before will not lead to an advantageous situation for Ibuki.

It can go under projectiles but there is a bit of start up in the move that is more apparent offline. Ibuki doesn't actually become invulnerable to normal projectiles until several frames after you execute the move. Unlike df+MK where you are invulnerable on like frame zero. Pretty much the majority of Ibuki's attacks either do better damage or put her in a better position with less risk of punishment.

[Yeah Dood 120%]

I think first thing first for the strategy section is perhaps if you were to gather all the available resources that we have already and put it in one big thread (SrK Wiki, strategy links from the strategy forum) then we can assest later what is needed (rum and coke like Sf and Pros said) and make threads to fill the gaps.Indeed, I'll get started on that later today after after I eat and take a brief sleep break, I got to get ready for the 2 jobs that starts tonight and ends tomorrow. I'm thinking though, perhaps we shouldn't call it a "Noob Guide" since some newer player might find it offensive or elitist if you know what I mean, some people can be sensitive (:looney: what ever that word means). Any suggestions on a better name for it... dood?

[SuperSamyon]

Indeed, I'll get started on that later today after after I eat and take a brief sleep break, I got to get ready for the 2 jobs that starts tonight and ends tomorrow. I'm thinking though, perhaps we shouldn't call it a "Noob Guide" since some newer player might find it offensive or elitist if you know what I mean, some people can be sensitive (:looney: what ever that word means). Any suggestions on a better name for it... dood?

Wait, are we going to have a "noob" guide and a separate "strategy" topic or are they going to be the same?

I was thinking that a "noob" guide is usually regarding things like "is this available for 360, is it laggy, what does the rank mean" and other questions of that nature and of course the strategy or simply, "matchup" guide is about the actual game.

How were you thinking of doing it?

If you were going to make a "noob guide" you can call it "The FAQ and Getting Started guide for Street Fighter Anniverasary"

For a strategy section thread perhaps "Strategy, Tips and Tricks, Legit Techniques, and Character Matchup Thread" would be a simple enough thread title.

If you were combining the two threads into one, perhaps "All things Street Fighter from Getting Started to Advanced Strategy"

Just my 2 cents. If anyone else has a better thread title by all means share:)

[SF and PROS]

I think first thing first for the strategy section is perhaps if you were to gather all the available resources that we have already and put it in one big thread (SrK Wiki, strategy links from the strategy forum) then we can assest later what is needed (rum and coke like Sf and Pros said) and make threads to fill the gaps.

Why doesn't Dood make a committee to help him with this task, I'll volunteer and all I want is just the right to ban one person, just one that's it JK I'll do it anyway....:lovin:

........SNIP......

I was referring to the second move, the kunai to the throat slide and grab....useless in regular play.

Wait, are we going to have a "noob" guide and a separate "strategy" topic or are they going to be the same?

I was thinking that a "noob" guide is usually regarding things like "is this available for 360, is it laggy, what does the rank mean" and other questions of that nature and of course the strategy or simply, "matchup" guide is about the actual game.

How were you thinking of doing it?

If you were going to make a "noob guide" you can call it "The FAQ and Getting Started guide for Street Fighter Anniverasary"

For a strategy section thread perhaps "Strategy, Tips and Tricks, Legit Techniques, and Character Matchup Thread" would be a simple enough thread title.

If you were combining the two threads into one, perhaps "All things Street Fighter from Getting Started to Advanced Strategy"

Just my 2 cents. If anyone else has a better thread title by all means share:)

A newbies guide would be like first base for all forum members, a place to get started and find direction, a map, a directory. Got it?

Strategy threads, notice the plural are simply going to pop up for discussion whether they involve one character, a match up, or a video thread, whatever just preferred if you enticed the participants (or possible participants) by scheduling. Scheduling idea I really liked, believe it or not a republican like me is anal about making plans in advance.

Strategy sticky is a no go IMO, since there could just be an update post in the guide saying on xxxxx date we discussed this, blah blah blah.

[SuperSamyon]

With the strategy sticky though, Yeah Dood is going to go through the trouble of combinding all of the available strategy guides on SRK and making a directory. Then once we start having our discussions, he can archive them in the Strategy thread with a link to it. Like a handy dandy easy to use and convenient tool for everyone to reference to.

[SF and PROS]

Cool, as long as the discussion don't take place on the same sticky because then we may as well sticky a used piece of toilet paper from a public washroom.

[Yeah Dood 120%]

Wait, are we going to have a "noob" guide and a separate "strategy" topic or are they going to be the same?

I was thinking that a "noob" guide is usually regarding things like "is this available for 360, is it laggy, what does the rank mean" and other questions of that nature and of course the strategy or simply, "matchup" guide is about the actual game.

How were you thinking of doing it?

If you were going to make a "noob guide" you can call it "The FAQ and Getting Started guide for Street Fighter Anniverasary"

For a strategy section thread perhaps "Strategy, Tips and Tricks, Legit Techniques, and Character Matchup Thread" would be a simple enough thread title.

If you were combining the two threads into one, perhaps "All things Street Fighter from Getting Started to Advanced Strategy"

Just my 2 cents. If anyone else has a better thread title by all means share:)

Yeah I was thinking that perhaps a Noob guide would be stickied. It would have various beginners type questions answered in the first post. And then have links to the strats and character guides too but with what SF & PROS is saying here:
A newbies guide would be like first base for all forum members, a place to get started and find direction, a map, a directory. Got it?

Strategy threads, notice the plural are simply going to pop up for discussion whether they involve one character, a match up, or a video thread, whatever just preferred if you enticed the participants (or possible participants) by scheduling. Scheduling idea I really liked, believe it or not a republican like me is anal about making plans in advance.

Strategy sticky is a no go IMO, since there could just be an update post in the guide saying on xxxxx date we discussed this, blah blah blah.SF & PROS hit in right on the money.


The separate character threads will be not stickied. Since all the Character guides will be linked in the Noob guide. If a new player is lookng for help with a character when the click on the link, they'll be sent straight to that characters strategy thread and if they don't find their answer by checking out what already there, when they do post a question, that thread would be bumped and them bam o more help can be added to that characters guide.

This first post in the noob guide (Possibly name something like "Getting Started: Strategy, Tips, Tricks & Character Matchup" thread) would look something similar to this:
http://forums.shoryuken.com/showthread.php?t=126006
but made way more easier to read. But yeah, let's all talk more about it before we get started... dood.

[Yeah Dood 120%]

:rofl: You guys post too fast...

With the strategy sticky though, Yeah Dood is going to go through the trouble of combinding all of the available strategy guides on SRK and making a directory. Then once we start having our discussions, he can archive them in the Strategy thread with a link to it. Like a handy dandy easy to use and convenient tool for everyone to reference to.Oh yeah, whenever new info is available I'll update the Strategy section and try to keep it as user friendly as possible... dood!

Cool, as long as the discussion don't take place on the same sticky because then we may as well sticky a used piece of toilet paper from a public washroom.yeah, I think it'd be best to keep the strategy part of it locked to prevent the oncoming clutter and confusion in the thread... dood!

[SF and PROS]

Most stickies should be locked, and updated only by mods, or people with authorization. My suggestion.

So can we have a thread to nominate people for banning?

[DevilJin 01]

Most stickies should be locked, and updated only by mods, or people with authorization. My suggestion.

So can we have a thread to nominate people for banning?

Ban me then let me come back next week so I can make a shinobi style reappearance!

[Yeah Dood 120%]

So can we have a thread to nominate people for banning?There's already one in the premium forum... dood!

[SF and PROS]

Can I ban one person if I buy premium?

[Yeah Dood 120%]

Can I ban one person if I buy premium?I doubt it since that thread kind of died down... dood.

[fatboy]

I think the two different GG's and one combined BG's is the way to go.

[GIGA-MSX]

3s is played allot more then AE
We would be lost finding posts, It's fine the way it is maybe get rid of the bad game thread for AE
Like fat boy said AE right now is a small community we like our GG's thread
but thats just me...

[Sanjuro_The_Ronin]

Well since I finally finished reading all the posts I can put my two cents in...

I think that merging both the GG and BG threads is a good idea but not right now. Seeing as how HSFII is still the main online game for ST players on XBL I feel that the GG threads should be seperated. I'm thinking that about a month after ST HD has been out then we should merge the GG threads if ST HD is a good home port or not. If it is complete shit then the majority of ST players will still be playing HSFII.

So in short wait to see if ST HD is any good to merge the GG threads, merge the BG threads ASAP.

p.s. sorry if it is incoherent, i'm really tired right now.

[Louie]

to d00d: well, sounds correct that ppl would be against it, having hsf2 and 3s as same "gg/bg thread" since its 2 different games afterall.. i think its better having it like it is now.. seems that hsf2-GG will be its own, so feels more right to make hsf2-BG as its own aswell? >_>

[fatboy]

One reason I like the idea of having one BG thread is that if you call someone out for being a douche on XBL... EVERYBODY WILL KNOW THAT GUY'S A DOUCHE....LOL

[DARKHOKAGE]

o shit yea doods a mod now? damn. i need to start signing on more often now. lol

[XEN MASTER MARK]

It's great that you're involving the community in planning changes for the future, Yeah Dood 120% :tup:


[list]First off, merging the 3S & HSF2:AE Good games thread into one good games thread and merging the 3S & HSF2:AE bad games threads into one. ... Doing so will free up 2 more sticky slots ...

There are six stickied threads. I can't vouch for anyone else, but I don't feel as though they encroach on my browsing significantly. I can tolerate them, without losing sleep. Besides, we'd only see a minimal increase in clarity by losing one or two of them. Deleting useful threads for the sake of aesthetics smacks of over-zealousness to me :)

The practical 'stickied' threads (the four GG's, BBg's threads) are widely used and they deserve the space they occupy. I think the IM Screen names thread is redundant and the IRC promotional thread isn't important enough to most users to warrant the space it consumes. I wouldn't miss them.

As far as merging the GGs/BGs threads - I'm opposed. I feel that the forum users here are strongly polarized toward their respective games, with very little overlap between AE and 3S. The forum layout as is suits both parties ideally. It would be a shame to clutter things up for both sides, for the simple sake of reducing the number of stickies. That's false economy, as I see it.

I also feel that the GGs/BGs threads should remain 'stickied'. They are the most commonly used threads by far. Being of the most relevance to the most people. I would hate to go fishing for them whenever I wanted to leave feedback on a set.

If those threads were 'unstickied' they would float aimlessly around the top of the page and people would have to work that little bit harder to find what they want. Possibly much harder for the AE folks, who's thread may even wander off the front page. If anything in this section of the forum deserves to be stickied, it's those threads.


Adding an XBL video thread as a sticky. This would prevent having up to 4 or 5 threads on the first page ... well known match recorders like Project Justice & V4MPIRO could simply have 2 slots reserved on the first page of the thread which they can just post all their matches and whenever they add a new match, simply update their first post...

I'd love to see a general purpose XBL video thread that makes browsing for matches and players, efficient and intuitive. It's a great idea, but I can only reiterate other people's concerns;

If you wanted to reserve posts so that matches could be grouped by individual players, then newer members (or people that didn't think ahead to reserve) won't have that option.

The reason most people post match videos is to receive feedback on their game, or to promote good form. Both aims require that the videos are discussed. With reserved posts and a single general purpose thread, it could cause confusion as to which video any one post refers to.


Adding another sticky for a mini advice/stategy section from XBL players for new comers or players just seeking advise. We all know by now that there is a strategy section in SRK but a lot of times the section isn't well known to newer members. This can be a spot for new member to post with players that know them and possibly their play style best, the people they are playing on XBL. It may also feel more comfortable learning with people like Malaguena, Devil Jin, Harmonaz, Xen Master Mark..etc who are all very well respected and great when it comes to giving advise at stepping up peoples gameplay.

I love to talk strategy as much as the next guy, but I'm strongly opposed to recreating the Strategy Forum in here. Granted the old forum is in dire need of some consolidation and our moderated version would prevent people posting poor advice, but the Strategy Forum is already there and working. Directing people from our corner of SRK toward it may well breathe new life into it.

Not only that, the calibre of players contributing to the strategy section is superb. There's a world of information there, written by some of the best players from around the globe, people who really, really know 3S, just waiting to be found.

I mean no disrespect to the anybody in here, we have some outstanding players who are kind enough to eschew nuggets of wisdom down upon us, but we simply do not have the number of skilled players willing to talk strategy that there are in the existing Strategy Section.

If we went ahead with our own Strategy Section it would be a sub-par imitation, no doubt an honest, cracking effort, but the existing Strategy Forum has depth, insight and volume that we'd struggle to match. Has anybody read the System Mechanics thread for example? It's gold!

Again, I don't mean to undermine the ability of players in here, but I don't think that strategy as involved as specific match-ups is helpful or applicable. I doubt the majority of us (exceptions as always) are skilled enough for match-up theory to be anything other than a theoretical distraction. Case in point; Deviljin, Yeah Dood 120% and Hiko-Chan all present a serious challenge for my Ken when they play as Twelve. I'm not skilled enough to apply what the match-up strategy tells me to try and I just get out-guessed, out-parried and out-punished because my opponent is simply the better player. I think a lot of players on XBL are under the same umbrella.

What I am all for, is an introduction to the online aspects of 3S. We see a lot of new players asking about the friends list notification icon, how the ranking system works, why so many people get disconnected near K.O., what's the best time to find games and so on. That's the sort of stuff we should have an FAQ thread for, because the printed manual is close to worthless.

For the sake of clarity and brevity I'd recommend that such a section be locked, so that moderators alone may modify it. The content should be as concise as possible and it should include links to the popular (stickied) threads. Like the GG's/BG's threads, with an explanation of their purpose. It could also touch on the finer points of online etiquette and the ad-hoc methods people use to signal the final game and lag spikes et cetera.

[Yeah Dood 120%]

Alright, I went ahead and made 4 new sticky threads for Good and Bad games for both games. The merger doesn't seem like a good idea in everyones eyes so they'll stay the way they are. When SFII:HD Remix comes along, we can discuss a merger again depending on the weight it has on the SFII scene. When that time comes, the HSFII players opinions will again carry more weight since they have the smaller scene.

The instant messenger sticky seems to be on it's way to being un-stickied and being replaced by a new players guide but we'll need to further discuss the complete details of how the lay out for the guide will be since we all have great ideas with slightly different methods of executing it.

We can also decide on the "#SRKLive on EFNet" thread being un-stickied. A possible link to it in the new players guide may suffice?

Well, I'm going to be a little busy today so my visit may be short but any more suggestions will be great. Thanks again to everyone that has decided to join in... dood!

[Yeah Dood 120%]

How about just for now, until we work out the details on the New players thread, I un-sticky the instant messenger thread and add "SFAC Matchmaking" thread which is for 3S and HSF2 and see how it does as a sticky... dood?

[fatboy]

How about just for now, until we work out the details on the New players thread, I un-sticky the instant messenger thread and add "SFAC Matchmaking" thread which is for 3S and HSF2 and see how it does as a sticky... dood?

That is a great Idea! DOOD!!! ...LOL... it is infectious! DOOD! See, there it is again! :wink: j/k

But really, that is a good idea.

[LeRaldo]

How about just for now, until we work out the details on the New players thread, I un-sticky the instant messenger thread and add "SFAC Matchmaking" thread which is for 3S and HSF2 and see how it does as a sticky... dood?

Someone suggested earlier that you unsticky the IRC information thread, and I disagree with that, as matchmaking happens on IRC as well.

Edit: and I think burying it in a "Newbie/FAQ guide" would hide it from people that aren't necessarily new, and thus wouldn't ever check that thread.

Just a thought.

[SuperSamyon]

I've noticed that a lot of people are posting questions and comments about the forum in various threads. To better help people find this discussion, can we temporarily sticky this thread till we get everything finalized? That way everyone can find this discussion and be a part of it.

[Yeah Dood 120%]

Someone suggested earlier that you unsticky the IRC information thread, and I disagree with that, as matchmaking happens on IRC as well.

Edit: and I think burying it in a "Newbie/FAQ guide" would hide it from people that aren't necessarily new, and thus wouldn't ever check that thread.

Just a thought.Thanks for the input, we'll definitely keep it in mind and discuss it further.I've noticed that a lot of people are posting questions and comments about the forum in various threads. To better help people find this discussion, can we temporarily sticky this thread till we get everything finalized? That way everyone can find this discussion and be a part of it.Sure thing. Hey Mala, we should talk on AIM about this sometime. When are you usually on? I won't be back for about an hour or two but I'll reply again later today... dood!

[SuperSamyon]

I rarely turn aim on these days but if I am on I am usually logged in during the evening hours. I usually just hop on and off if the person I need to talk to is not on. I'll aim you next time I see you on.

[eiSH]

How's about getting an SRK players index going? I'd like to know when everyone is playing so I don't give myself false hope that I'm going to be playing anyone at 7:22am -_-;

[Yeah Dood 120%]

Hmm, well I guess nobody else has any new ideas at the moment. I'll un-sticky this to make room for eiSH's thread. I guess I'll get with Malaguena, XEN MASTER MARK & DevilJin and discuss about the possible new players guide fate since they seem to be the only ones interested in it... dood.

[SuperSamyon]

I think we need to either combine Eish's thread with the matchmaking thread or just do away with the match making thread all together since they are basically trying to accomplish the same goal. I prefer Eish's thread since it gives more general responses rather than "IM HERE NOW LETS PLAY!" which is only applicable for the moment.

[Yeah Dood 120%]

I just spoke with Response Unit and he suggested a matchmaking thread for UK/Europe players now there is one. Now he's the suggestion, anyone else want to make it sticky?

On a side note, Malaguena what would be a good time to get with you on AIM, XEN MASTER MARK what's a good time to get with you on MSN. I'd still like to discuss the New Players guide with you 2 and DevilJin and see if we can still pull this off... dood.

[eiSH]

How's about a complete 'Start Here' thread? I like the Intro/Hiatus/Quitting/Whateverelse thread, and if we could just all bunch them up into one sticky I think that'd be cool o.o;

One with Intro / Hiatus / Quitting / Whatever
+ Aim / MSN Names
+ Times playing
+ Characters Used

= Complete SRK Player Index. :tup:

[Yeah Dood 120%]

How's about a complete 'Start Here' thread? I like the Intro/Hiatus/Quitting/Whateverelse thread, and if we could just all bunch them up into one sticky I think that'd be cool o.o;

One with Intro / Hiatus / Quitting / Whatever
+ Aim / MSN Names
+ Times playing
+ Characters Used

= Complete SRK Player Index. :tup:That sounds awesome. We can do this and eventually unsticky the SFAC Matchmaking thread and replace it with your idea. I can get started with it whenever you're ready. I figure we can have the lay out similar to what BobSmack does in the Atlantic South forums:
http://forums.shoryuken.com/showthread.php?t=109396
We could reserve the first post for 3S and the second post for HSF and have each post organized by TimeZones. Great idea eiSH... dood!

[Biolink]

I was thinking about an experieced player or Mod(Hell maybe even everybody can pitch in one the ideas),that plays online alot can come up with a Faq on thing's like Lag Abuse,Dropping,Synchronization,and some other weird and wacky thing's that we see online,with some common examples(OMG UNBLOCKABLE LAGKOTO)added in.

It could help newer players weed out the good players from the bad,and make people give more clarified answers in the negative Feedback thread.

I just recently got back into playing this game online,and even I see some thing's online that just make me go"WTF?"