Samurai Showdown Thread [Archive]

F.Y.C.N.

06-26-2007, 02:44 AM

i agree... i play tenka and i think its one of the most underrated games of our times... it really is a shame there really isnt a following over here in the west coast especially seeing as there are arcades that have this game available to be played... AI and Super Arcade come to mind.... my Sogetsu and Suija are killers i wish there was some comp in the local area to prove me otherwise....

ninja edit: AI is the only arcade that has this game in my area... Super only HAD SamSho 5

Ephidel

06-26-2007, 02:46 AM

I play haohmaru mostly.

Favorite SS = 2

Infested Jester

06-26-2007, 04:33 AM

When is the damn Samurai collection for PS2 coming out? :annoy:

arstal

06-26-2007, 05:12 AM

They already put one out in Japan I think 1-6, but not Special.

Infested Jester

06-26-2007, 05:20 AM

They already put one out in Japan I think 1-6, but not Special.

You sure thats out already? I checked placeslike play-asia and still nothing. It's supposed to have 1-4 on it.

ToyRobotTerror

06-26-2007, 05:33 AM

I play 2 and 4, i like the characters in 5sp but i dont like the gameplay.

Festival6667

06-26-2007, 05:41 AM

It's not out yet (I'd have it if it was)

I too am a great fan of the series but I play only SS2 and Tenka nowadays (I used to play SS0S but the gameplay is somehow too repetitive for me).

Though I enjoy playing most of the cast, my mains are:
- SS2: Ukyo
- SST: Ken Hanzo (though I also use Shin Hanzo)

My favorite still is SS2, on NeoCDZ since the loading are then very short and SNK folks outdone themselves on the music. Tenka would be perfect if it wasn't for arguable music, arguable CvS2-like effects and lack of blood and more than anything backgrounds that don't fit the atmosphere AND kill my eyes since they use the same color palette as the characters and effects (and I hate not to see clearly what happens on the screen). For the same reason, I play SS2 without flashes and I enjoy it.

Choujuu

06-26-2007, 06:28 AM

Ahhh, I remember playing SS2 at Break Point in the VCU Commons back in the day.

:china:

surewhyyoucan

06-26-2007, 06:43 AM

Don't forget Samurai Showdown! 2 for Neo Pocket Color. I have all the cards.

Dark Geese

06-26-2007, 07:20 AM

Okay not to knock on you but what are you trying to do with this thread?

Talk about all the Sam Shos period in general? I am doing that with my Eye of the Ragin Storm thread.

I got all the Sam Sho fans in there too.

Dont get the wrong impression..while I dont mind you all talking about SNK stuff..in general I am just trying to keep everything centralized to my thread.

I work hard to make my thread the place for ALL SNK Discussion. So I hope everyone works with me to understand that.

Thanks for understanding.

-Dark Geese

Clear Sky

06-26-2007, 07:29 AM

There's no blood in Tenka? Wow then that I totally missed that.

Fadedsun303

06-26-2007, 09:10 AM

Dark Geese

06-26-2007, 09:19 AM

Well true..but I also have much of that archived on my first page see just to make it easier for people to find and go RIGHT TO THE HEART OF WHAT THEY WANT to curtail this very issue you have spoken about...

Thats the thing...I bust my ass so you guys wont have to make new threads and archive it so you wont..now if you are lazy I aint got anything to say to you!!!!

I have archived all of that..Certainly SST stuff guys...its all archived on the first page (and vids on the second)

Once again I dont mind you all making new threads etc but I may have already made all of this easier for you..

I have archived even the SST thread etc so you guys just gotta look through the first and second page to find what you are looking for. If it aint there THEN you may wanna make a new thread..or first use the search engine to see if there has been a thread made about it beforehand.

I saw like 5 Breakers Revenge Threads that couldve been put together INTO ONE.

Even this thread couldve been kinda combined with the "Which Sam sho is your favorite" thread to a degree.

Once again guys I bust my ass to make things easy for all SNK gamers...

But you gotta help me help you!! :tup:

-Dark Geese

Fadedsun303

06-26-2007, 10:12 AM

Ah. I had no idea all that stuff was on the first page. I never check it. Haha.

And as far as this thread goes; I love Tenka. More people need to play that game.

Shade

06-26-2007, 11:33 AM

snip

I'm not a fan of mass threads focusing on over 30 games. It's too much crap going on at once. It's not about vids. It's about a topic for people whom are fans of Samurai Showdown, and that's it. Whatever conversations, and links that follow, are expected.

But, feel free to merge this into the sticky. Whatever.

On-Topic -

Snagged the Pocket ShamSho's aswell. Herd it would be the closest I'd get to the HNG64 board's SamSho's. =(

Festival6667

06-26-2007, 02:23 PM

Fadedsun303

06-26-2007, 03:52 PM

As long as the Tenka info is not from Mr. "It-would-be-so-cool-if-Yumeji-really-was-a-boy-lost-on-a-battlefield-and-then-raped-and-forced-to-become-a-girl" then said info is likely to be of any value. If not it probably has been badly copy-pasted from gamefaqs or worse or even invented

You're warned.

On a side note, GC.netstill holds some good strats for tenka though it's not been updated for ages.

I subscribe to this guy on youtube. He's always uploading Tenka vids.

http://www.youtube.com/subscription_center?s=DnwBogbNp04

He just uploaded a 3 min vid with some combos for a decent amount of the characters.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=54ibGxVbetE

They're mostly combos that lead to a knock down that end with the hit on a downed opponent. Still good stuff.

Saotome Kaneda

06-26-2007, 04:58 PM

Sorry Shade, but there will be no merging, and that thread will never be stickied.

This thread is fine, as well as any others that want to get in depth on any particular game or series. This is what FGD is about, not petty MM threads or EC/WC beef.

arstal

06-26-2007, 05:06 PM

For SS info, look up heavenly spirits.

www.vansibel.com/heavenly

Has a lot of special stuff, since there's more online then offline SS players I think.

I want to see Geese vs some of the top SS players online

Dandy J

06-26-2007, 05:50 PM

If anyone has questions about 4 or just wants to shoot the shit go ahead and post up, I'm not the best but I may be able to help. I like dorkin' out on that game.

Shade

06-26-2007, 05:53 PM

Dark Geese

06-26-2007, 07:32 PM

I just once again wanna make sure people ARE reading my thread since I made sure to have Saotome Kaneda change the name of my thread for the purpose of making sure random SNK threads dont keep popping up.

But since we see eye to eye now trust me its all good..

I can help out on any of the Sam Shos also..

Got SST tournament vids from EVO East and North SNK 2007 coming and I got Sam Sho 1 vids coming I will let you all know when my encoders post all that up.

Where are these online Sam Sho players from arstal?

-Dark Geese

RockCho

06-26-2007, 07:35 PM

SS2 is an all time classic. I'm all over Hanzo in that game and Haomaru.

arstal

06-26-2007, 09:51 PM

All over- Europe has a few (mostly play on Reps), One's Pac NW, One's Western CA, One's Ohio... Hell, I've played a guy from Romania who's pretty good (Souji)

The Ohio guy is probably the strongest, but he's taking a break right now.

Just throw a challenge on that site I mentioned and you'll get a response. You have enough of a rep to get that.

Iapetus

06-26-2007, 11:05 PM

SamSho1 anyone...?

Underrated series deserves its own thread. I was about to make one myself but I was fearful of being stupid and not finding "that elusive thread" through Search. Props to Shade for this.

Any OG SS fans? Like 1 and 2 and some 4? I have a few questions about them, mainly:

Which games are most balanced?

What makes SS2 better than 1? (Not meant to be elitist at all. I seriously don't know other than easter eggs.)

What makes SS4 broken?

Thanks,
Iapetus

Gasp

06-26-2007, 11:27 PM

its a bit much to squeeze an entire companies lineup into one thread.

{PFH}-Lake

06-27-2007, 12:58 AM

I play Charlotte lets about it. Anyone know whats the most balanced SS?

woof

06-27-2007, 01:20 AM

I play Charlotte lets about it. Anyone know whats the most balanced SS?
ss5 special

Strike

06-27-2007, 01:24 AM

Ahhh, I remember playing SS2 at Break Point in the VCU Commons back in the day.

:china:

I remember playing SS2 at the dingy basement in of Newcomb Hall at UVA back in the day. Guess every Virginia college had this classic... ah nostalgia :china:

ToyRobotTerror

06-27-2007, 02:16 AM

ss5 special
What? Explain.

Saotome Kaneda

06-27-2007, 02:58 AM

I just once again wanna make sure people ARE reading my thread since I made sure to have Saotome Kaneda change the name of my thread for the purpose of making sure random SNK threads dont keep popping up.

No, the reason why I renamed your thread was so that there would be no retarded question threads for the latest SNKP games. The fact that it turned into what it did was because of the small SNKP community here. Individual game/series dicussion threads are allowed (and encouraged) here as long as they don't degenerate into namecalling spamfests.

Do not over-exaggerate your importance here, because I can find some shit that I've let slide in the past that can make this the 2nd board you've been banned from.

Dark Geese

06-27-2007, 03:06 AM

Oh I aint..I just want to make sure people are checking my thread because Im working hard to use it to help all SNK gamers out and keep all the random question threads from coming up etc.

Matter of fact SK ANYONE THAT THINKS THEY ARE UNBANNABLE IS A FOOL...Fubarduck getting banned proved that!

And yes Sam Sho 1 vids will be coming soon so stay tuned!!!

Ephidel

06-27-2007, 03:21 AM

lapetus:

2 has better depth than one. Of course you're getting new characters, but this is with the addition to more moves 2 features. It had refining gameplay with better control measures than 1, with the addition of the POW meter being tweaked.

Also it was one of the first games ever to introduce a parry system. This led to many debates on how a character would top on another for like pages and pages worth - It truly is that competitive.

Dark Geese

06-27-2007, 03:29 AM

But Ephidel..everyone has their tastes and he just seems to dig SS1 a little bit more.

Ephidel

06-27-2007, 03:43 AM

But Ephidel..everyone has their tastes and he just seems to dig SS1 a little bit more.

Well, can't argue that. I still would play the original myself even today - however, he wanted to know the differences so I explained it to him.

I'm not secretly knocking on SS1, I still enjoy the game again per say...

Saotome Kaneda

06-27-2007, 08:25 AM

Pillar Wan-Fu > Sword Wan-Fu >>>>>>> Bonbori Wan-Fu

real talk

Dark Geese

06-27-2007, 08:31 AM

I agree Pillar Wanfu was the best...Bonbori Wan-Fu is the worst by far..God he's trash in SST.

:sweat:

surewhyyoucan

06-27-2007, 08:32 AM

I agree Pillar Wanfu was the best...Bonbori Wan-Fu is the worst by far..God he's trash in SST.

:sweat:

Sucks to hear, as I loved playing Wanfu. What about Caffeine Nicotine? Any good?

Dark Geese

06-27-2007, 08:34 AM

Nicotine is decent in SST...hes weak as hell..but has some good high low Shadow Mixups and can play his Sam Sho II keepaway game..

But dont get hit..and Nicotine does have some bad matchups..

Infested Jester

06-27-2007, 08:54 AM

The only things in SS1 I like over 2 are some of the BGMs, Earthquake and Galford especially, and I fucking LOVE SS1 Tam Tam....jump away A+B = fun shit.

Other than that though I'll take 2 anyday.

(Grows impatient for the PS2 collection :annoy: )

Choujuu

06-27-2007, 10:51 AM

I remember playing SS2 at the dingy basement in of Newcomb Hall at UVA back in the day. Guess every Virginia college had this classic... ah nostalgia :china:

hopefully UVA didnt pull a VCU -- who got rid of theirs for Primal Rage :lame:

I like Primal Rage and all but it aint no SS2 :smokin:

Terry_nb

06-27-2007, 02:22 PM

Mmh SS1, I actually only played it with the Ninjas and Haohmaru and have nearly zero experience. I was quite a kid at the time were the game was hot and loved SF more. I begann to see my love for playing with Ukyo and Jubei since SS2. The best game with Tenka IMHO. However, the most balanced to this day is still SSVSP. I can only think of Tekken DR with a balance like this one. A nice effort and I hope the new 3D SS will be as great as I hope (Tenka SC mix).:) But we will have to see ...

Dark Geese

06-27-2007, 02:36 PM

Yes we will have to wait for Sam Sho Slash..do you all think its gonna be more like SoulCal or like Maximum Impact?

I say the latter..Sam Sho meets Maximum Impact for SS Slash..

Is that a good or bad thing?

You tell me!!!

Will it get taken seriously?? Probably not if it does play like Max Imp.unfortunately..

:sad:

**Also Iepatus SS4 is considered broken because of the infinite comboes....that is the main reason why..and a few 100%s are super high damaging comboes possible...Its Sam Sho meets Killer Instinct..

I like SS4..but can understand why some dont.

Also in Sam Sho 1 guys S Class is IMO-

Earthquake, Charlotte.

They match up pretty even.

At EVO North SNK 2007 someone taunted me in casuals saying "Hahah I got Earthquake he cant be thrown I'm gonna win!"

Bullshit..I poked the hell out of him with Charlotte he couldnt do a damn thing.

Youll see on the vids..

-Dark Geese

MaDCoWLms

06-27-2007, 03:00 PM

Samurai Shodown has a special place for me. (Should have, I own like every cabinet hah, and even started a site dedicated to it, what a waste) but still SS 1 and 2 are my favorites. I admit though they are flawed but what game isn't? Oh and for any of my old fans....

Hi =)

{PFH}-Lake

06-27-2007, 03:00 PM

ya I remember getting like a 10 game win streek with Charlotte in SS1, favrite move was her tri-slash. How is Charlotte in SSV ?

Dark Geese

06-27-2007, 03:12 PM

Charlotte is still good in SSV..not tops..but she is high...Shes been good in every Sam Sho EXCEPT SST..

arstal

06-27-2007, 04:43 PM

I think Charlotte in SS5SP, a case can be made for her being top tier, due to having very few losing matchups (Only matchups where I think she's at a disadvantage are Basara and Nakoruru- Basara can keep Charlotte from attacking ,and Charlotte can't zone Nakoruru at all) THose two matchups are still winnable though.

Terry_nb

06-28-2007, 08:55 AM

Well, a slight difference always exists but nothing is unreachable in SSVSP or T5DR (mmh ok, some have real probs vs Devil Jin). Man, if I look in the past of the tough matches God 2.0 Hanzo gave me at times, even through Hanzo was considered somehow in the mid. I always only disliked Gedo through. Man he could be so annoying and just need a poke or two and a throw ... Ha, good old times.:chat:

P. Gorath

06-28-2007, 08:57 AM

is there a samurai showdown compilation disc of 1-4 or combination therein for the ps2 import?

Infested Jester

06-28-2007, 09:00 AM

is there a samurai showdown compilation disc of 1-4 or combination therein for the ps2 import?

Yep, it's supposed to be all 4 games on a disc, just like the two Fatal Fury Battle Archives....still no date though. :bluu:

arstal

06-28-2007, 01:47 PM

SSVSP is as balanced as the later Guilty Gears, at least. I think it's SNK most balanced fighter ever- though char matchups can play a big role, similar to Super Turbo. God 2.0 is a top player, so if you're having troubles with him, that isn't saying anything bad about you.

Thankfully, online play doesn't change SS that much, due to the slower nature of the game.

Actually, I think the SS collection is 1,2,3,4,0, and Tenka.

Dark Geese

06-28-2007, 01:50 PM

Yes..it seems SNKP still wants to keep SSVSP exclusive to the NeoGeo...but that wont stop many from playing it on Kaillera/dling it of course...

{PFH}-Lake

06-28-2007, 09:56 PM

Im guessing SSVP is import only

Dark Geese

06-28-2007, 10:00 PM

Import for NeoGeo? Nope...but the cart is rare..it aint out on console wont be on the compilation and we dont think it ever will be..

:sad:

If it has the name Samurai Showdown its American..if its Samurai Spirits its Import..

arstal

06-29-2007, 05:25 AM

They only made 1,000 copies of it worldwide I think as well, so most people have the emulated version instead. BTW Geese there are a lot of vids out for Special on youtube, look up a songpeng on there for a link to some.

Dark Geese

06-29-2007, 08:11 AM

Will do. I've seen a lot of them but I will always look for more..

gemdoom

06-29-2007, 04:46 PM

i'm getting addicted to basara badly.

Dark Geese

06-29-2007, 05:28 PM

Basara is Iori Like in his ways in SST for sure...hes got many things take take advantage of the backdash system ala Iori.

Shade

07-03-2007, 01:01 AM

i'm getting addicted to basara badly.

Hell yea. Basara is dope as hell. Seriously, this whole game series is fucking crazy, especially the more recent ones. It really boggles me how there isn't 30 sites focused on this game series, and instead, I cant find ONE decent one.

kingfismit

07-03-2007, 01:15 AM

Is there an anthology coming out for this?

Shade

07-03-2007, 01:20 AM

Haha, doubtful. All I know, is that a new SamSho is being worked on, and it will be 3-D. There was a teaser released awhile back for it (it's a CG recreation of the first SamSho Intro).

[Roz]

07-03-2007, 04:02 AM

Wasn't there a collection on the works? Y'know, with SS1 to SS6 on it?

Infested Jester

07-03-2007, 04:36 AM

The collection is supposed to be 1-4

http://youtube.com/watch?v=pjsh3Yg5GfE

It says 2007, we are only half way through the year, so I wouldn't say it's been cancelled just yet.

arstal

07-03-2007, 06:05 AM

A lot of chars can do stuff off backdashes. Kyoshiro gets a near-instant OH off his backdash, and Suija has his shenanigans. Yoshitora can do overhead into his air slash for a quicker, more damaging OH as well.

Dark Geese

07-03-2007, 08:23 AM

Backdash shenanigans-

In SST-

Iroha, Suija, Basara, Hanzo, Mizuki,Ukyo,Yoshitora,Suija,

n8archer_XI

07-05-2007, 11:24 AM

Is SSIV the best in the series?

arstal

07-05-2007, 11:26 AM

SSIV is probably the 5th best SS game, behind Special, 1, 2, and Tenka. It beats 3 though.

Darkshine

07-05-2007, 11:30 AM

Sooooooooooooo, after playing Samurai Showdown V a while back, I fell in love with Enja. Of course, since I know jack-shit about SamSho in general, I don't know any tactics with him. Can someone just post some basic VSP and Tenka tactics for him? T'would appreciate it.

Dark Geese

07-05-2007, 12:28 PM

Arstal I'll let you take the VSP stuff.

SST Stuff- (Archived)

Man for starts you wanna get his bnb combo down..but then again its as hard as Karapalming with Yun in 3s..

So are you up to the task?

You can combo off his overhead into qcf+D chain series..but for now my first thing for you to see if you are truly up to the task of playing him in SST is seeing if you can master his chain series qcf+D, qcf+C, qcf+a? series..

If you can master that then Enja is the man for you..

Best of luck with it..

Also best grooves are SS3 and SSIV groove.

He builds meter the fastest in the game..so Charging up means unlimited super..that means no jumping..qcf+AB because he charges meter in 3 seconds with A+B.

arstal

07-05-2007, 12:58 PM

On Special, online at least Enja is used by a few people. Main thing they do is try to rushdown using his jump AB, which is hard to counter. The three-part slash combo isn't used much, though some use first two parts then try to sneak in a grab. Grabs are much more common in Special then Tenka- no idea why really.

Exploding pants is used to catch people. He has a horrendous matchup with Charlotte- who can Tri-Slash Enja to death very easily, and Enja can't jump the tri-slash since his jump is so low, and Charlotte can hold and release on reaction to any forward movement. If I'm in a bad mood- I can beat Enja by throwing 100 straight Tri-Slashes.

Overhead is often comboed into standing AB for half damage in special.

One thing you have to watch for is Yunfei's command grab, which can drain your meter, and even your RAGE EXPLOSION. (this is one of the main reasons I think Yunfei really counterchars certain chars in special- the other slow meditators and Mizuki)

Darkshine

07-05-2007, 11:11 PM

Dark Geese

07-06-2007, 03:40 AM

Yep...but the timing is different in SST.

Darkshine

07-06-2007, 08:50 AM

Really? Ah, crap. >_<

Vic Viper

07-06-2007, 06:56 PM

OK, I just experienced Boss Gaoh on SST. And thanks to "SNK syndrom", I only placed 17th on the single player high score list. Also, this seems to be the first fighting game where you must beat the game to get a name entry. Also, you score resets if you use a continue, meaning to get first place, you are force to beat it with one credit.

Anyway, is there any video tips to beat him?

Dark Geese

07-06-2007, 07:12 PM

Video tips to beating Hell Gaoh..nope..but I got some written tips on the first page second post of my thread.

n8archer_XI

07-07-2007, 09:02 AM

SSIV is probably the 5th best SS game, behind Special, 1, 2, and Tenka. It beats 3 though.Is SS Tenka emulator-capable?

Dark Geese

07-07-2007, 09:41 AM

No not yet. Atomiswave hasnt been hacked into like CPS3 yet.

n8archer_XI

07-07-2007, 03:12 PM

Is "Special" referring to SSV: Special, or is it a seperate version?

Darkshine

07-07-2007, 04:16 PM

It's referencing SSV Special.

G.O.T

07-07-2007, 05:17 PM

It's referencing SSV Special.

is any of the samsho games over here in usa that I can buy? If so which system?

Dont have xboxs, wii, or ps3.

chopa

07-07-2007, 06:49 PM

Xbox has a supposedly awful port of SSV, cant remember if it has online play or not

other than that, there was SS3 for the PSX
and technically the AES was availible stateside (which has all but tenka)

Saotome Kaneda

07-07-2007, 07:31 PM

This is the last fucking time.

DG, I don't want to hear another random rant even remotely concerning the SNK thread in here, or any other SNK thread on FGD. If they want to come then they'll come. If they don't they won't. If there's a fucking problem with posters in that thread PM a mod. It's really fucking simple, swallow your fucking pride and get one of us. Don't act like you're more important than you really are. I personally don't check that thread because I hear nothing from the posters in there. Do you want me to babysit your thread?

Don't reply in this thread. The rest of you, leave him alone when it comes to him advertising his thread. Just let me know and that shit'll disappear.

Now, keep this shit on topic and stop pissing me off.

Vic Viper

07-07-2007, 09:13 PM

Xbox has a supposedly awful port of SSV, cant remember if it has online play or not

The only thing I found bad about the XBox port is the load times. One good thing about it is that the story and endings are translated. The silly thing about it is the english announcer.

Darkshine

07-07-2007, 11:33 PM

G.O.T

07-08-2007, 03:47 AM

Oh, and if you want to play SSV Special, you're going to have to be a bad person and emulate it, as there were only 1000 copies made for AES, and no console port has been announced.

Note: I in no way advocate the emulation of illegally acquired ROMs.

i see i dont as well. thnx for the info though. my boredom has been killing me so badly this year im picking new games to play. At first, i thought samsho was hella boring to watch but some of these vids entertain me during the slow part of my days. so hopefully pz will have an arcade hookup soon so I gan beast with me Galford-Kazuki

n8archer_XI

07-09-2007, 12:28 AM

Note: I in no way advocate the emulation of illegally acquired ROMs. nigga fuuuuuck; I am...

Are you gonna be playing SSV Special on Kaillera tonight?

Darkshine

07-09-2007, 11:42 AM

Weeeeeeeeel, since all of my emulators and ROMs were deleted when I restored my system, that would be a negative.

G.O.T

07-14-2007, 12:47 AM

bump. Can anybody give me some strat links or tips on using Yoshitora/Kazuki/Ukyo in Tenka? I will be importing Tenka soon. After watching more and more matches I want to play the crap out of this game now. But I'm sure I won't get no comp down here.:sad: It'll probably be two dudes at best down here.

kane_warhead

07-14-2007, 11:47 PM

Anyone have a movelist for SST?

I can't even understand the game

Festival6667

07-15-2007, 02:57 AM

movelist = game manual (but you obviously don't have the game manual or you wouldn't be asking for movelists) or gamefaqs

kane_warhead

07-15-2007, 03:48 AM

Theres nothing in game faqs... and I dont have a game manual.

Festival6667

07-15-2007, 04:47 AM

Okay my bad for gamefaqs but now that I think about it, why do you bother: the movelists are in the game, just pause the game and it's in the menu, all of them for all the grooves no matter who you are playing.

And now don't tell me you don't read japanese since these are all symbols ;)

kane_warhead

07-15-2007, 04:49 AM

.....

I can't even make out the grooves.

Festival6667

07-15-2007, 06:56 AM

.....

I can't even make out the grooves.http://www.guardcrush.net/forums/showthread.php?t=381

RECRUTA42

07-15-2007, 07:39 AM

Well..I just love all Samurai shodown related series, specially SS5Sp...I am also working on a game for mugen on it...that there is a beta around,...If any of you here is really interested in seeing how it is going...just download it at...

Suggestions are always welcomed as well...but plz...at least give a try!

http://www.4shared.com/file/17528140/d2e0f96a/SamuraiShodownProject003.html

Beast of Fire

09-09-2007, 01:26 PM

Bump for a specific question:

I was watching some SS2 stuff on YouTube and I noticed a combo video as well as a match where the ninjas (Galford/Hanzo) were able to somehow cancel their A+B slashes even on whiff and do close A+B slash from anywhere.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f6ZfL7RG5qA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ls795Gab0Ck

These are the two videos in question. Anybody know what's going on?

EDIT: Just read the comments on another video and I see now that they're using the Strike Heads/Mozu Otoshi to cancel the slashes, taking advantage of the fact that the grab has no whiff animation. That must be why they started giving these moves whiffs in later games. Too sweet.

Starcade RIP

09-14-2007, 08:10 AM

I'm trying to get into playing SSVS a bit more. I tried it out the other day and really dug it. Does anyone know where to find some advanced strategies/combos/tiers, etc for it? At first glance, the Samsho.com forums didn't seem up to the caliber of SRK. There doesn't seem to be a strat thread for SamSho in the other games forum here.

Syxx573

09-14-2007, 08:30 AM

did they add fatalities back into the game?

Starcade RIP

09-14-2007, 08:31 AM

Yeah, check this video!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tA9FmpXgHtY

ThrowTheDice

09-14-2007, 08:49 AM

Any tier lists/noteworthy matchups for Tenka? Particularly about Yoshitora. I just kinda dig his design in general (SEVEN SWORDS BITCH). I think he's been in a complete freefall in terms of strength. Just look at the poor damage he does in Tenka.

Daddyneptune

09-14-2007, 08:51 AM

Yoshi is the very bottom
SST-
S : Mina, Shizumaru, Amakusa, Iroha, Kazuki.

A : Galford, Mizuki, Cham Cham, Sogetsu, Gaoh, Zankuro,
Haohmaru, Ukyo,

B : Rera, Sieger, Hanzo, Yumeji, Rasetsumaru, Enja, Gen An

C : Andrew, Ocha-Maru,Yunfei,Kusaregedo, Sankuro, Suija, Nicotine,Rimururu, Gaira, Basara

D : Charlotte, Sugoroku, Kyoshiro, Jubei

E : Genjuro, Earthquake, Nakoruru, Wan Fu, Yoshitora

I swear the tier list is in this thread

Are_you_okay?!

09-14-2007, 09:16 AM

I thought Tam-Tam was in SST as well, maybe I got my games wrong.

Fadedsun303

09-14-2007, 11:06 AM

Yeah, check this video!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tA9FmpXgHtY

8:54 Fatality is twisted.

arstal

09-14-2007, 11:57 AM

Hate the removal of fatalities in tenka- it took away some strategy- the fatalities added a good bit of counter-issening and time management strat away from the game.

Dark Geese

09-14-2007, 12:44 PM

Tam Tam is in this game..he is bottom tier. I ust forgot to add him into that tier list.

Up to date/Revised Tier List for SST here-
http://forums.shoryuken.com/showpost.php?p=4083678&postcount=13

cain[e]

09-14-2007, 11:57 PM

Man I would buy a cab just for SSVsp shit's too good.

Razorfist

09-15-2007, 12:10 AM

Great series. I've been trying desperately to snag a copy of Samurai Shodown V because I've heard a vicious rumor that Gen-An is in it. Every time I bid on it, some jerk outbids me at the last possible second.

cain[e]

09-15-2007, 12:23 AM

Gen-An is in Tenka not so much in 5

Torn Apart

09-15-2007, 12:54 AM

SST WIKI PAGE

http://www.shoryuken.com/wiki/index.php/Samurai_Spirits_Tenkaiichi_Kenkakuden

anyone wanna help? Everything on that page was done by me.(which isn't much i know)

Dark Geese

09-15-2007, 09:09 AM

Thats really all you need to know in regardsto a wiki..

You need to ad Universal Deflect- which is in every groove which is qcf+E.

But other than that it looks solid for people to use to learn the game.

Ultima

09-21-2007, 09:39 AM

Wow, finding information on Tenka on the net is like pulling teeth. It's also annoying now that GUardCrush is down (AGAIN).

I've been trying to find character-specific info on Suija/Enja's new moves in Tenka. Seemingly the only FAQ is existence is Tigresa's own, which isn't even on GameFAQs because he/she/it plagiarize. Can anyone help? Thanks.

Dark Geese

09-21-2007, 10:06 AM

Ultima yes..Ill type up tuff on Suija and Enja today f I hve time. Okay?

Are_you_okay?!

09-21-2007, 12:24 PM

Tam Tam is in this game..he is bottom tier. I ust forgot to add him into that tier list.

Up to date/Revised Tier List for SST here-
http://forums.shoryuken.com/showpost.php?p=4083678&postcount=13

Crap like everyone I like is bottom tier lol. Fuck it, I'll go with Cham Cham.

cain[e]

09-21-2007, 12:27 PM

Crap like everyone I like is bottom tier lol. Fuck it, I'll go with Cham Cham.

yeah seriously my two mains are pretty low, actually one is Yoshi and the Other is basara who isnt too low but...well not great =\

Are_you_okay?!

09-21-2007, 12:29 PM

I understand, I like Jubei, Tam Tam, and Genjuro. All bottom, only one I like that is near top is Gen-An.

cain[e]

09-21-2007, 01:01 PM

Yeah, If i had to choose a top I would go with Ukyo...actually when this comes out to the states I'll learn him.

F.Y.C.N.

09-21-2007, 03:24 PM

we need more people playing this

Cowdisease

09-21-2007, 04:00 PM

For those of you who are Xbox 360 owners and Samurai Shodown 2 fans--good news!

SNK has announced (http://www.snkplaymoreusa.com/pr-9-21-2007.php) that SamSho2 will be coming to XBLA soon.

HuStLeMaN17

09-21-2007, 05:32 PM

ThePunisherXBL

09-21-2007, 05:36 PM

For those of you who are Xbox 360 owners and Samurai Shodown 2 fans--good news!

SNK has announced (http://www.snkplaymoreusa.com/pr-9-21-2007.php) that SamSho2 will be coming to XBLA soon.

Wow. I was wanting a good way to play SS with other people, and my wishes have come true.

Spoonman

09-21-2007, 05:38 PM

Acording to Gamespot.com a collection of SS games is coming for the PS2 and Wii stateside, aswell as the KOF orochi collection for Wii, PS2 and PSP and some other games

Ultima

09-23-2007, 10:49 PM

SS Anthology will be sex. But end of 2008? C'mon!

SS2 on Live? Good to hear I guess, though I expect dashing throws to be even more dominant than they are now.

Dark Geese:

Thanks. Eagerly awaiting that info.

Virtua_Leon

09-23-2007, 11:09 PM

For those of you who are Xbox 360 owners and Samurai Shodown 2 fans--good news!

SNK has announced (http://www.snkplaymoreusa.com/pr-9-21-2007.php) that SamSho2 will be coming to XBLA soon.

Better dust off your anti ukyo strats ZZZZZZZZZZZZ

I wish ps network would pull its finger out bring some games like this to it, nothing but pure rubbish on there

Ultima

09-24-2007, 08:36 AM

Anti Ukyo strats = Pick Nakoruru. :/

ThrowTheDice

09-24-2007, 04:16 PM

Just kind of a general Tenka question, does the spirit you pick make as big a difference as in, say, CvS2? Or do all the characters play fairly the same under the different grooves, but just get different bells and whistles?

Dark Geese

09-24-2007, 04:19 PM

Tenka is the CvS2 of Samurai Showdown..does that answer your question?

ThrowTheDice

09-24-2007, 04:36 PM

Actually, quite well.

Man, I wish I had SST.

CyberAkuma

09-24-2007, 06:01 PM

If you've waited this long to get SST (and SHAME on you for doing that to yourself), then you could probably afford to wait a lil while longer for the Samurai Spirits collection.

Not only will it have pretty much every game in the series (barring 5 Special), but that also includes Tenka...and it's planned to be released for both the Wii and PS2 in the States.

After that, you'll have no excuse NOT to have Tenka in your collection.

Meanwhile...so far, I'm liking the looks of SS SEN. If they can at least deliver on an experience similar or better to the SS64-2, I'll be happy enough. Bonus points would be rewarded if we can have a decent plotline, and maybe even a return of the stylistic violence from the first few games. I don't profess to be like Abster, but I did miss the some what stylish deaths. And if the 3D MKs have taught us anything, it's that doing this sort of thing is much easier in 3D than it is 2D. Plus K2 shouldn't be squeamish in the least (they developed the first few games in the SS series, as well as some Tenchu titles).

Are_you_okay?!

09-24-2007, 06:37 PM

I have some hope for the new SamSho, I just like my 2D to stay 2D. But the 64 games weren't bad and the team is great (Tenchu 1 and 2 was godly) so I'm optimistic. Now someone make Jubei, Genjuro or Tam Tam more powerful!

ThrowTheDice

09-24-2007, 06:41 PM

If you've waited this long to get SST (and SHAME on you for doing that to yourself), then you could probably afford to wait a lil while longer for the Samurai Spirits collection.

Not only will it have pretty much every game in the series (barring 5 Special), but that also includes Tenka...and it's planned to be released for both the Wii and PS2 in the States.

After that, you'll have no excuse NOT to have Tenka in your collection.

Whoa, the SS collection will have Tenka? I thought it was just 1-4, and was believing it, because just look at the road SNK's been going on:

"Yes, we're releasing King of Fighters XI and NGBC... but first Art of Fighting WOOOO!"

"Yes, we're releasing a Fatal Fury collection... Yoink! No Real Bout for you, you're paying 40$ for half of a two-decade old series!"

But if Tenka is on the collection... I won't have a penny to my name until 2009.

arstal

09-24-2007, 06:56 PM

Genjuro is powerful enough in SS. I don't think he's sucked in any SS game yet. Jubei and Tam Tam have.

Dandy J

09-24-2007, 07:10 PM

he sucks in tenka

CyberAkuma

09-24-2007, 07:39 PM

he sucks in tenka

Nah, it's just more along the lines that he hasn't changed THAT much, but a lot of the others have and gotten better, while he's still stuck with the same basic gameplan that has changed all that much since SS4.

In other words, like KOF's Iori. Iori hasn't changed all that much drastically in what makes his BnBs good since 96, it's just more along the lines that he's lost a few good tricks, while others around him have gained some good ones.

I have some hope for the new SamSho, I just like my 2D to stay 2D.

Normally, that would be the case for me too.

But, let's be honest, Tenka was both a blessing and a curse, in that it gave us pretty much the penultimate 2D SS game, but also pretty much boxed SNK into a corner of where else they can go from there. Obviously, with them already having a rather sizable undertaking with KOF XII (and maybe MOTW2?), it probably would have been too much to ask for them to try and get more people to do an updated 2D SS. Plus, what else could they add to the classic style without being overly redundant, based on what Tenka presented?

In that light, going 3D was probably the right move. SS64-2 pretty much showcased how there were plenty of things that could stand to be added to the game, such that the 2D realm could never have hoped to render such a field of play. I mean, such intricacies such as people being able to lose their footing were the type of things that I think could really enhance the gameplay. And sure, it may not be all that original any more, but being able to defenestrate people from high places and change the arena was always a nice thing too (and SS 64 actually did it first, before DOA thought it was cool).

So, yeah...in some respects, I'm looking forward to SEN a bit more than XII. But that's probably due to the fact that SS was really my first true introduction to SNK games (if we don't count Ikari Warriors for the NES :wgrin:).

Are_you_okay?!

09-24-2007, 08:12 PM

I agree, I'm curious how they will handle it. I wonder if new characters will be introduced as well, and how much of the old will be transplanted to the new 3D.

On a similar note, what is Genjuro's alignment? I always figured anti-hero or evil. Also does he have beef with Hoahmaru and/or Ukyo?

quiche

09-24-2007, 08:38 PM

<3 Galford/Poppy

...seriously.

Dandy J

09-24-2007, 10:03 PM

Nah, it's just more along the lines that he hasn't changed THAT much, but a lot of the others have and gotten better, while he's still stuck with the same basic gameplan that has changed all that much since SS4.
No, he just sucks. He lost his command throw, his dp sucks ever since 5, he's got no way to combo into super, he can only combo into his EX super in the corner from that stupid run slash move, his rekkas do shit damage, and his card projectile sucks. He sucks.

CyberAkuma

09-24-2007, 10:14 PM

On a similar note, what is Genjuro's alignment? I always figured anti-hero or evil. Also does he have beef with Hoahmaru and/or Ukyo?

Genjuro has never really had any allegiance/alignment beyond his own, really. Sure, there was a brief stint where he worked alongside Mizuki and Ambrosia's forces, as well as a time when he worked to help rid the world of the likes of Amakusa and Zankuro, but that was all mostly just a means to an end, so that he can find Haohmaru, challenge him to a match and then (ideally) kill him. That's all he really cares about; everything else that happens is just an accessory that may help/screw over some one else. And if some one pisses him off enough, he'd kill him or her without batting an eye.

Why does he hate Haohmaru so? Well, for two main reasons. One is that Haohmaru was the reason he was kicked out of Nicotine's swordsman class (of which he and Haohmaru were the only noted students). The two had what was supposed to be a friendly spar, but Genjuro, being the violent man he is, used his (at the time, at least) superior skills to get the upper hand in the fight, and was seconds away from KILLING Haohmaru. Nicotine stepped in, and after noticing (oh, now?) that Genjuro has no reservations about killing people (which goes against Nicotine's style), kicked him out. After a while, Genjuro never really cared about being kicked out of the class, so much that he wanted to settle the score and finish Haohmaru off.

The other reason is a more sublime thing that actually goes back to Genjuro's youth. Genjuro's Mama was definitely a slut (and he was a bastard child), so there wasn't too many nights that Genjuro had to go without seeing his Mom used as a plaything. One day, he snapped, and then he killed the man that his Mom brought home for the night. Guess what? That man some how resembled Haohmaru enough that Genjuro has all the more reason to kill him.

For the record: Ever wonder about that scar on Genjuro's back? Well, he got from his Mama! :rofl: But seriously, after he tried to leave he and his mother's house after the incident, Mom thought he was an abomination, and tried to kill him. But Genjuro fought back and ended up killing her instead. The scar that is one of his trademarks comes from that very incident.

Also...that ain't tea that he dranks from that bowl at the end of his matches...it's usually some form of "prohibited medicine" (re: drugs). :rofl:

F.Y.C.N.

09-24-2007, 10:22 PM

No, he just sucks. He lost his command throw, his dp sucks ever since 5, he's got no way to combo into super, he can only combo into his EX super in the corner from that stupid run slash move, his rekkas do shit damage, and his card projectile sucks. He sucks.

pretty much...

Are_you_okay?!

09-24-2007, 10:25 PM

Damn thanks a lot Cyber, Genjuro is even more badass in my opinion now. "What did I tell you Genjuro?! NO MORE HANGING SWORDS!!" Horrible pun but I was watching Futurama.

Has an Iori/Kyo feel to it. I'm pretty sure if there ever was an end fight Hoahmaru would win, but not kill Genjuro due to his beliefs. Genjuro will probably do himself in.

Even if he's shit in Tenka I'll try to make him work, here's hoping the new SamSho does him justice.

F.Y.C.N.

09-25-2007, 12:13 AM

sadly yes... Genjuro sucks in SST (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=43JIKwspivo)

purple Nak is a killer McDiller? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8pkryCuy1XM)

i guess Judgment would've been helpful here ;D (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJFIAIjn6QQ)

this is why i love/hate andrew (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_S8XljuL8I)

Haohmaru... the poor loli never stood a chance (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6lgaRUs6zTw)

Ukyo is not to be slept on... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJd3S2XRn4w)

Dark Geese

09-25-2007, 10:30 AM

Genjuro does just suck in Tenka..he lost some things that have always madehim good..he does just suck!

Genjuro is bottom tier for a reason!!!

Ultima

09-25-2007, 10:33 AM

Where are people getting SS Sen info from?

I thought the SS64 games were abominations. Well okay, I only played the first one, but it made me long for the sanity of Samurai Shodown 3. And the second one didn't seem to be much better, but I honestly don't know. Never heard anything good about it though. More like that = NO THANKS.

Festival6667

09-25-2007, 11:00 AM

Arcade SS64-2 is clearly worth playing if you ask me. Certainly not the best game ever but very far from being an abomination.

Rik

09-25-2007, 01:13 PM

arstal

09-25-2007, 01:40 PM

SSVSP is possibly the most balanced 2d fighter ever. Tenka is almost as good.

Festival6667

09-25-2007, 01:50 PM

SSVSP is possibly the most balanced 2d fighter ever. Arguable but quite true, though that's also because beside each character's movelist, you tend to play all of them the same, engine-wise. To some extent it's the same with Garou MotW: since the most damaging chains are more or less the same for everyone since they rely on feint cancelling which all characters share, the game is very balanced.

Nocturnal

09-25-2007, 04:05 PM

Arguable but quite true, though that's also because beside each character's movelist, you tend to play all of them the same, engine-wise. To some extent it's the same with Garou MotW: since the most damaging chains are more or less the same for everyone since they rely on feint cancelling which all characters share, the game is very balanced.

For the record Grant cannot feint cancel :).

Dark Geese

09-25-2007, 04:30 PM

Nocturnal- LOL, Thats true!!! :rofl:

Rik- SST yes is coming stateside to the Wii....

cain[e]

09-25-2007, 07:46 PM

SST seems to be considered the definitive SS experience, or at least thats the impression im getting from most of the folks here. So then i have two noob questions in that case. The first question is when we can expect a north american release. The second question is how bad is the balance in this game, like are the tiers as strict as CVS2 and MVC2.

Still gunna say that if you havent yet, play SSVSP "somehow" first if you haven't. The engines feel in that game-to me atleast- feels more familier to the samurai spirits of the past. Plus the system translates well into SSTenka's SSV groove, though all of them seem to without much modification to gameplay.

I am also very hyped for the 3D SS game. Each time I see some sort of teaser for it I go nuts XP.

@ Arstal: I don't know about that, I'd say GGXX:AC gives it a good run for it's money in that catagory though it only took SSV 2 rehashes to get it right instead of 5 XD.

F.Y.C.N.

09-25-2007, 09:03 PM

SST and SSVSP are monster games... we need a port of the latter...

Chozen1

09-25-2007, 09:28 PM

SST and SSVSP are monster games... we need a port of the latter...

I was able to play the latter at one point using kawaks however, now I'm lost as to what emulator will run it considering the new ones are out and would like to play it on my new computer i built. Any help would be appreciated and I apologize if this is not supposed to be posted. if so, I will delete it.

Festival6667

09-26-2007, 01:58 AM

For the record Grant cannot feint cancel :).You know I know that, and let's not talk about the fact that The Big Bird can feint cancel but has no feint cancel chains for obvious reasons:arazz::wink:

cain[e]

09-27-2007, 03:34 PM

I was able to play the latter at one point using kawaks however, now I'm lost as to what emulator will run it considering the new ones are out and would like to play it on my new computer i built. Any help would be appreciated and I apologize if this is not supposed to be posted. if so, I will delete it. PM me

Luigi-Bo 87

09-29-2007, 06:22 PM

subscribes to thread

F.Y.C.N.

09-30-2007, 04:49 AM

charlotte is not low tier in SST... just to let everyone know... shes A class at the very least... depending on the spirit you choose

arstal

09-30-2007, 07:25 AM

Never said she was low tier, just nerfed. She definitely is A tier in Special. Maybe S if there is an S tier (which I don't believe there is) My only experience with Tenka is some reluctant casuals with the Triad, who didn't care for Tenka at all. (They'd still rather play 2)

SSVSP is more balanced then GG, though individual matchups may not be as balanced. Think of it as Super Turbo Balance with the bottom and lower-mid tiers in that game buffed to mid status. You can win a tourney with any two characters in Special. There is a reason the Online tournies for Special have rules about pre-selecting characters (to prevent counter picking much) For example, I'd try to avoid putting my Charlotte against a Nakoruru, Haohmaru, or Basara, but would eat a Ukyo, Gedo or Enja up, and those latter three are generally considered better chars.

One question- for those with the PS port of 2, are the controls better then arcade- which has questionable controls (be it arcade or emulator?)

Azagtoth

09-30-2007, 08:33 AM

I wish ps network would pull its finger out bring some games like this to it, nothing but pure rubbish on there

...Tekken DR?

Just dropping by to say SST is the shit. VSpecial is dope too, but Rera/Shizumaru feel so much better in SST.

Virtua_Leon

09-30-2007, 10:04 AM

...Tekken DR?

Just dropping by to say SST is the shit. VSpecial is dope too, but Rera/Shizumaru feel so much better in SST.

Not out here yet, i thought the days of europe being treated like muppets was long gone, i guess not, but besides DR what else? calling all cars? SPACEDUST!! whatever the fuck it's called when xbl has ff special soon to be getting ss2, anyway enough of me going off topic.

I dont recall ukyo or enja minus his glitch ever being considered anything more than average gedo yes but those two?

SS5sp definently deserves alot more love, along ss4 with 2 completely end of the fighting game spectrum in the same series

F.Y.C.N.

09-30-2007, 12:53 PM

Festival6667

09-30-2007, 01:35 PM

charlotte is not low tier in SST... just to let everyone know... shes A class at the very least... depending on the spirit you chooseI'll have to disagree: movelist-wise Tenka Charlotte is the best Charlotte ever since for the first time a single version has ALL her moves. But her strongest point always were her pokes and all of them got nerfed in Tenka. B-class at most in the end

arstal

09-30-2007, 02:29 PM

Charlotte had all her stuff in Special as well, and her pokes, and her fireball was ST Ryu-good. Charlotte can keep non-expert Enjas at bay the whole match with just the fireball.

Dark Geese

09-30-2007, 04:09 PM

Yeah Charlottes pokes got hella nerfed make no mistake about it.

F.Y.C.N.

09-30-2007, 04:10 PM

I'll have to disagree: movelist-wise Tenka Charlotte is the best Charlotte ever since for the first time a single version has ALL her moves. But her strongest point always were her pokes and all of them got nerfed in Tenka. B-class at most in the end

her pokes are still good... its not like she has no range or priority plus meng depending on what spirit you use she has damage potential up the fuckin ass... in Ten spirit her A+B combos can do up to 30-35% easy.... and in Do Spirit because of the A+B Slash and Defense and Offense boosts a two hit combo does 50%:looney:

im telling you guys for those reasons alone shes A class

Dark Geese

09-30-2007, 04:14 PM

Do Charlotte eh? Interesting indeed.

F.Y.C.N.

09-30-2007, 04:20 PM

Do Charlotte eh? Interesting indeed.

oh yeah son... expect to be seeing her and a couple other characters for the next SST Tourney... you've been working on Ten Mina and that whorebag Amakusa... i've been fucking around with various spirits and characters to see whats really good... this game is ridiculously diverse i love it...

if we do the team exhibition then you'll definitely being seeing Do Charlotte... she's a killer

arstal

09-30-2007, 04:55 PM

F.Y.C.N.

09-30-2007, 06:04 PM

Charlotte has enough comboability basic to really not need meter , so I could see it working.

Her DM doesn't really add a whole lot to her game- since that is also pretty much a combo only move. I could see where it works. Risky, but could work.

it works meng, believe me it works... and whats funny is the risk is minimal thanks to low damage intake... its not like she is invincible or nothing but its harder to damage her in a way that would force you to play differently... in the end Charlotte doesn't need a super when shes a walking POW meter... pretty much anything i hit you with is gonna hurt...

Azagtoth

09-30-2007, 06:05 PM

Not out here yet, i thought the days of europe being treated like muppets was long gone, i guess not, but besides DR what else? calling all cars? SPACEDUST!! whatever the fuck it's called when xbl has ff special soon to be getting ss2, anyway enough of me going off topic.

You're talking about Super Stardust HD, and people actually love that game. None of the PSN games are actually "bad," they're just not known properties outside of Puzzle Fighter, Locoroco, MK2, and Tekken so people are less inclined to give them a shot, but yeah, off topic.

SS5sp definently deserves alot more love, along ss4 with 2 completely end of the fighting game spectrum in the same series

It just sucks that we're never going to see a port of VSP, so there isn't much more love we can give it outside of mame.

orochizoolander

09-30-2007, 07:54 PM

SS2 is the best 1 in the series no question.

I got SS5 for xbox so if any yall wanna get raped by my godly genjuro or hanzo hit me up sometime.

Azagtoth

09-30-2007, 07:56 PM

I got SS5 for xbox so if any yall wanna get raped by my godly genjuro or hanzo hit me up sometime.

If I had the game, I'd show you why Yoshitora is absurd.

orochizoolander

09-30-2007, 08:38 PM

Yeah i know it's a broken game but it's the only1 on xbl and everyone used yoshi, yunfei, and sankuro whos the most broken character by far! cuz his moves are unblockable if u don't anticipate them and if u press :qcf::hp: he gets back to almost 100% health:wasted:

I still raped everyone with genjuro cuz he deals alot of damage FAST! in SST i don't understand why they nerfed him so bad.

Dark Geese

10-02-2007, 09:46 AM

FYCN- Good....yes Amakusa's got some new tricks also lol. Man we need to get some casual matches in so I can play like ALL the cast next time!!!

F.Y.C.N.

10-02-2007, 02:27 PM

FYCN- Good....yes Amakusa's got some new tricks also lol. Man we need to get some casual matches in so I can play like ALL the cast next time!!!

yes i use everybody for the most part... thats kinda a bad thing... been trying to cut it down to like 5 main characters... but there are sooo many options its kinda ridiculous

Gen-An is a casual only char from now on... Ken Andrew has leveled up significantly... Ten and Rei Shizimaru are ready to rock... Ten and Do Ukyo are on FIYA!!! Ten and Rei Sogetsu has learned some dirty dirty shit... Do Charlotte has already been mentioned... Rei Gedo is BIG fuckin' PIMPIN'... Ten Yunfie is a killer... Im also fuckin with Ken Hanzo thanks to Wicked... Ten Kazuki is Dirt McGirt... and of course Ten Mina thanks to Tokidosan's causal tutorship... i've also found some interest in Orochamru in San groove... very strange character... lots of potential

Dark Geese

10-02-2007, 04:15 PM

Chozen1

10-02-2007, 04:46 PM

Yeah I had the same problem my first SST tourney..I had tooo many options...playing as Zankuro, Ukyo, Kazuki, Gaoh, all these characters...but after the first tournament I was able to decide who I would stick with...and thats Amakusa..and now tha I understand Ten Mina I use her and Ten Iroha possibly as yet another backup.

Yet I STILL can play like anyone in the game...

So I'd LOVE a low tier SST tourney!!! :lovin:

Soon my friend, very soon I am hoping they'd make samsho2 online compatible one of these days and I'm already looking forward to samshow collection. When that happens then I'd like to challenge you.

Dark Geese

10-02-2007, 06:29 PM

Chozen1- Excellent..I am verysure we will be able to play ALL the SamSho's in the future believe you me!! I look forward to it! :china:

Syxx573

10-02-2007, 09:36 PM

sadly yes... Genjuro sucks in SST (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=43JIKwspivo)

good lord what happened to his voice... it used to be like the coolest ever, now he sounds like a pussy

Dark Geese

10-02-2007, 09:37 PM

All voices pretty much changed oin SST.

F.Y.C.N.

10-03-2007, 12:55 AM

good lord what happened to his voice... it used to be like the coolest ever, now he sounds like a pussy

man fuck his voice... what happened to his character in general:sad:

WickedElement

10-03-2007, 03:11 AM

If you ever do that low tier SST tourney, i'm down for busting out my Genjuro or Wan Fu. :smile:

arstal

10-03-2007, 06:37 AM

Is there really a need for a low tier SST tourney? It's not like this is MVC2, or even 3S in terms of character imbalance.

Beast of Fire

10-03-2007, 07:11 AM

SSVSP is more balanced then GG, though individual matchups may not be as balanced.

You have absolutely zero basis for saying this.

Just felt like pointing that out.

Dark Geese

10-03-2007, 07:23 AM

Beast of Fire

10-03-2007, 07:28 AM

I was under the impression that Ten Kazuki was top tier.

Luigi-Bo 87

10-03-2007, 07:29 AM

I was under the impression that Ten Kazuki was top tier.

Really? I must be doing something wrong with him. What makes you think this?

Beast of Fire

10-03-2007, 07:39 AM

Something about using A+B combo starter as a super-easy long-range punisher into a 25-50% combo.

Luigi-Bo 87

10-03-2007, 07:41 AM

Something about using A+B combo starter as a super-easy long-range punisher into a 25-50% combo.

Oh, I got that down then.:rofl: I thought it was some super crazy shit I never heard of.

Beast of Fire

10-03-2007, 07:42 AM

Nope, Kazuki is pretty damn simple.

Luigi-Bo 87

10-03-2007, 07:43 AM

I wish he had some of his moves from SS4 though, him and Sogetsu.:sad: Is Sogetsu tops as well?

Dark Geese

10-03-2007, 08:21 AM

Ten Kazuki yeah I forget he is Top Tier..I was thinking A Class since he has been drifting from S to A pretty often in the early days.

Syxx573

10-03-2007, 09:37 AM

man fuck his voice... what happened to his character in general:sad:

it seems as though little boys with unbrellas do more damage than him...

arstal

10-03-2007, 01:54 PM

You have absolutely zero basis for saying this.

Just felt like pointing that out.

I actually play this game at a fairly high level. GG I don't, but I've read enough to know that game is balanced as well, however some characters are considered to dominate, even if it's by a slight margin. In Special, no character, not even Suija, is considered to dominate.

Also, SSVSP is simple enough to learn that you don't need to waste hundreds of hours practicing execution, unless you decide to go for Gedo or maybe Enja. You can spend the time doing something fun like enjoying the game instead. So the balance exists at all levels, not just "you must play this game as your primary" levels.

Beast of Fire

10-03-2007, 02:31 PM

I actually play this game at a fairly high level. GG I don't, but I've read enough to know that game is balanced as well, however some characters are considered to dominate, even if it's by a slight margin.

Reading and playing are two different things. And of course it's difficult to verify whether or not you actually play SP at a high level since the game is damn near impossible to come by and play in a public environment. Your performance in other games makes me doubt this claim.

Also, SSVSP is simple enough to learn that you don't need to waste hundreds of hours practicing execution, unless you decide to go for Gedo or maybe Enja. You can spend the time doing something fun like enjoying the game instead. So the balance exists at all levels, not just "you must play this game as your primary" levels.

Balance only matters at the highest levels because people who really want to compete will play at those levels. So this is more of an argument for which game you might prefer instead of which game is more balanced.

F.Y.C.N.

10-03-2007, 02:57 PM

Well true..but once people see the power of Ten Mina they will understand..lol.

Low tier tourney I'm busting out Kazuki, Zankuro, Gaoh, Ukyo, Yumeji, Charlotte, Mizuki, Galford, Jubei, Tam Tam, and plenty others.

damn fool like half those chars are mid high to top tier...

seriously DG its not the characters but the spirit you use that determines their tiers

arstal

10-03-2007, 03:07 PM

Well, first off- the performance you see is in games I only play there. I never practice those games. Therefore, I'm at a disadvantage. The only game you've seen me play in that I get any sort of practice in is ST, which isn't played much. I do ok in that.

Fact is, a lot of the games you play locally, I don't really care for.

As for balance- yeah, high level matters most, and I can see GG's balance in high level by sheer variety of characters played in high level. SSVSP has an equal variety of characters. Tenka is slightly worse in this regard then Special- but still has a very high level of balance. I would put GG between Tenka and Special. (and that is a compliment- I could not put any Capcom game in that category, not even ST)

Rik

10-03-2007, 03:26 PM

So then in SST, it is very possible for every character to compete. We dont have the same issues like we do with 3s, mvcs and cvs2 then. Could someone post the tiers for SST and SSVSP.

Beast of Fire

10-03-2007, 03:42 PM

As for balance- yeah, high level matters most, and I can see GG's balance in high level by sheer variety of characters played in high level. SSVSP has an equal variety of characters.

That would put them on an equal level of balance. Methinks you put SP up there because you like it more and have a better understanding of it than you do GG.

F.Y.C.N.

10-03-2007, 03:56 PM

So then in SST, it is very possible for every character to compete. We dont have the same issues like we do with 3s, mvcs and cvs2 then. Could someone post the tiers for SST and SSVSP.

the tiering in SST is really in flux... the tops are Mina, Amakusa, Iroha... so actually there is a top three in this game too... you have characters that can compete with the three but its still a battle (much like third strike)...

also we have to take into consideration spirit choice... match ups change significantly when this is added to the mix which is why i dont really agree with Arastal when he says the balance isnt as good as SSVS... we haven't explored every avenue of the game quite yet... there is alot to be said about spirit choice in SST...

Ten Mina is like the Chun li of SST but she has her weaknesses against Do Charlotte and Ten Iroha... Ken Mina has a better match up against Do Charlotte but loses straight up to Ten Sogetsu or Kazuki... its a lot harder to specify when it comes to tiers in this game... there is too much diversity

obviously there are crap characters like Genjuro... but we have yet to fully explore possiblities with him... im sure he will still be low tier but he wont suck completely like he does now

arstal

10-03-2007, 04:10 PM

That would put them on an equal level of balance. Methinks you put SP up there because you like it more and have a better understanding of it than you do GG.

I'll grant that, but also with the caveat that on Heavenly Spirits, people who are good in both state they think Special is more balanced.

Both games have a bit of system-fu in them. I do think the System stuff dominates less in Special then GG though- since you can really only system-fu once per match in Special. I think that also leads to some strategic depth, since picking the round to blow your meter in and when is important. A lot of the good players disagree on when to use stuff- and it is very character dependent. For example, playing against Yunfei can really screw up your strategy due to his DP+K grab. Haohmaru and Sogetsu's DM's being rageable also changes things. (that was removed in Tenka I think)

As for Tenka, the balance is not fully developed yet, but usually balance in games tends to get worse as knowledge gets increased, not better- but it's still early enough for nothing to be certain. Can't wait for the release of the set.

the tiering in SST is really in flux... the tops are Mina, Amakusa, Iroha... so actually there is a top three in this game too... you have characters that can compete with the three but its still a battle (much like third strike)...

I think the biggest reason Mina moved up in tier was the damage being vastly reduced in Tenka. Her whole game is based on whittling you down, in Special- the higher damage meant you could die in two hits/combos. In Tenka, it takes more, so beating Mina takes more work. She got upped in other areas as well which didn't hurt.

Comparing those 3 to 3s isn't fair. The countermatchups in Tenka are a lot nastier then 3S's- Iroha/Mina/Amakusa have to work a lot harder in their matchups then Chun/Yun/Ken do in 3s.

Dark Geese

10-03-2007, 04:14 PM

I wouldnt say Mina loses straight up to Kazuki at all..Kazuki has to get in..and a Mina played right wont let that happen.

F.Y.C.N.

10-03-2007, 04:28 PM

As for Tenka, the balance is not fully developed yet, but usually balance in games tends to get worse as knowledge gets increased, not better- but it's still early enough for nothing to be certain. Can't wait for the release of the set.

Comparing those 3 to 3s isn't fair. The countermatchups in Tenka are a lot nastier then 3S's- Iroha/Mina/Amakusa have to work a lot harder in their matchups then Chun/Yun/Ken do in 3s.

i was merely stating that there are three characters that can run through like 90% of the cast with little to no problem at all... but yes the character counter matches are easy to win in SST than in third strike... this isn't to take away from 3s as a game bc the same is true in that you can still win you just got to work harder for the win...

DG well ok its not a straight up loss but a good Kazuki will get in his range on A+B combos is like half screen and the combo moves him forward so its not like he has to try that hard... seriously the reason people eat Minas arrows so much is cause they try to run at her to trap her... patience is a virtue, just try walking up you've got all the time in the world.

Beast of Fire

10-03-2007, 05:24 PM

I'll grant that, but also with the caveat that on Heavenly Spirits, people who are good in both state they think Special is more balanced.

Like who? Seriously, there's maybe a handful of people in this country who know a whit about Guilty Gear.

Both games have a bit of system-fu in them.

If I ever see you say "system-fu" again, I will give you a wedgie the next time I see you.

Every game (and I mean EVERY GAME) is run by the system and the characters that either exploit it the best or can get around it. My suggestion would be to get over it. GG is like any other game; if the system completely ran it, there would be no point in picking different characters. Yes, you have to learn the system, yes there is a lot to it, but you exaggerate it to some ridiculous degree and the whole point of it is that by making the system robust enough to handle the kind of crazy shit that happens, you get to inject a lot more character variety.

arstal

10-03-2007, 06:41 PM

Some games the system affects the gameplay a lot more then others. Why do you think crap like customs and VCs are complained about so much. Whereas a game like ST or SSVSP, the system doesn't really affect things as much as the characters moves do.

I guess I'm a MOVEZ~! sort when it comes to fighters...

Capps Indigo

10-03-2007, 07:45 PM

Beast of Fire

10-03-2007, 07:56 PM

I guess I'm a MOVEZ~! sort when it comes to fighters...

I guess you didn't read the last part of that paragraph. A lot of the cool moves in GG are a consequence of the system; if certain system aspects were not in place, those moves couldn't be allowed because they would be way too powerful. But because of the presence of those system aspects, you can afford to put in something like that and it ends up making the game more interesting in the long run.

I for one prefer a robust system as opposed to a "moves" based fighter because the latter has way more room for creating character imbalances. System stuff is accessible to every character, for the most part. This is why stuff like CCs, while complained about, are usually not that big of a deal because everyone can do them, though there are a few exceptions.

There is nothing wrong with more stuff in a game as long as it adds to the experience without ruining the gameplay. But I think that's enough of that debate for this thread. Definitely will talk more about SS series when I can actually play it regularly (I'm not playing Tenka, I dislike it).

arstal

10-03-2007, 09:19 PM

The problem with universal system is that often some characters can abuse them way more then others. Take the Alpha system- if you took the Customs and Variables out, Bison would be a lot higher then he is, because outside of shit tier characters like Birdie, Bison's the only decent character who can't use the system well.

In systems- you have to take every characters use of the system into account, which means the imbalance potential is higher.

With a more character-based approach,you have the chance of one character ruining the game, but things can be evaluated more as a whole. I think Yuki gets the balance right though- they make a system, but limit its use enough to where it doesn't dominate.

F.Y.C.N.

10-03-2007, 09:21 PM

hey guys, i just got a copy of tenka in the mail yesterday. well, now i have the game, but i have no idea how anything works (button layout even). i checked the first post and was searching around and couldnt find any basic info. is there a "best place" for beginner stuff (and beyond)? (sadly: i even looked at gamefaqs and even they dont have an faq:sweat:)

the default button layout is as follows

square is weak slash
triangle is med slash
circle is Fierce slash
X is kick
R1 is Evade or dodge, depending on what spirit you choose

as for everything else go here (http://heavenlyspirits.net/forum/showthread.php?t=23)

P.S. to supplement what homeboy is saying about the spirit system Sword is the default spirit and every spirit he talks about goes in order moving to the right

Dark Geese

10-04-2007, 03:39 AM

I'm looking forward to playing these guys from heavenlyspirits..dont worry arstal I will start promoting there once my work schedule slows down...

Dandy J

10-04-2007, 04:00 AM

how does mina lose to kazuki, her 3b beats his ab ten groove combo starter clean

F.Y.C.N.

10-04-2007, 06:36 AM

how does mina lose to kazuki, her 3b beats his ab ten groove combo starter clean

was that a rhetorical question?

Kazuki is all about punishment sooo when i was referring to someone being patient i was referring to using the AB combo on punishment... which means not going head to head with Mina's 3B... i also hate that fuckin notation BS...

this means the Kazuki will be mixing up throws, low attacks and med pokes to bait the proper response... and if you ask "what if the Mina player decides to turtle?" my response to you will be "what good Mina doesn't turtle? Thats what the throw mix up is for"

P.S. sorry if this sounds biting but i just woke up and im going to school so im in a hurry

F.Y.C.N.

10-04-2007, 06:41 AM

I'm looking forward to playing these guys from heavenlyspirits..dont worry arstal I will start promoting there once my work schedule slows down...

why? are you planning to run a SSVSP tourney? cause from what i gathered they don't play SST...

Dandy J

10-04-2007, 07:25 AM

mina also has low attack, mid attack and throw

F.Y.C.N.

10-04-2007, 08:00 AM

mina also has low attack, mid attack and throw

and that negates my point how? If she tries to counter poke or throw which was the desired response BTW... she eats a AB combo...

shes really only a threat from a distance... up close shes a threat on wake up while in defensive crouch... if you're on the attack up close against a Mina you have the initiative...

I would also like to add that i was referencing Ken Mina vs Ten Kazuki and the reasoning behind (the Beef of it if you will) is bc Ken Spirit doesn't allow for POW burst which is really a disadvantage against you when someone can do a combo that will end your life with one simple and long poke... that may not sound like a huge disadvantage but it is especially in the clutch when its the final round and you've managed to whittle your opponent down to a fraction of life and you fuck up once there goes half you life and you're down to square one... POW burst would easily negate that... but you choose Ken Mina cause you loved that unblockable set up so much now you got to eat a 40% combo...

good day sir

Xorcist

10-04-2007, 08:18 AM

Not sure if this is news or not, but it's looks like Samurai Shodown has been added to the roster of SNKs USA releases. Can't wait to get my hands on the Anthology and SEN.

Read more here: http://www.snkplaymoreusa.com/pr-9-21-2007.php

arstal

10-04-2007, 08:29 AM

why? are you planning to run a SSVSP tourney? cause from what i gathered they don't play SST...

They don't play Tenka since they prefer Special netplay- due to getting better comp that way, but they would switch to Tenka for comp even if they don't like it as much. No one in that community hates Tenka- most of the hate is directed towards 3. A couple of the players are Chinese nationals going to school in the US, who play it offline over the summer- then raise the game a bit when they get back.

An other issue with the community is most of them don't play a lot of other games. SS players tend to really hate other fighters to the point of snobbishness at times- I remember that in the old Scrubcade days as well, so it's not a recent phenomenon.

I know one of the top guys said he'd hit Evo North if they ran Tenka. DG has also talked to Vansibel, who's considered the best player on the site.

F.Y.C.N.

10-04-2007, 10:30 AM

They don't play Tenka since they prefer Special netplay- due to getting better comp that way, but they would switch to Tenka for comp even if they don't like it as much. No one in that community hates Tenka- most of the hate is directed towards 3. A couple of the players are Chinese nationals going to school in the US, who play it offline over the summer- then raise the game a bit when they get back.

An other issue with the community is most of them don't play a lot of other games. SS players tend to really hate other fighters to the point of snobbishness at times- I remember that in the old Scrubcade days as well, so it's not a recent phenomenon.

I know one of the top guys said he'd hit Evo North if they ran Tenka. DG has also talked to Vansibel, who's considered the best player on the site.

i remember reading somewhere in the HeavenlySpirits forum that "Tenka is alright as a game itself, but utterly fails as a SamSho game"

LOL... whats funny to me is i can see the reasoning behind this, but i think that reasoning is also why i love this game so much... its soooo different from all the other SS games yet there is a sense of familiarity to it... i think the biggest complaint is how damage is meet... honestly SST feels more like a capcom game to me then a SNK game... and to me thats a good thing but i've always had love for the SS series since 2

Dandy J

10-05-2007, 12:45 PM

words
how does any of that matter specifically vs mina over any other character when she would have a option to beat both the mid he wants to land (ab) and dashing in to throw? the entire reason why kazuki is ever argued back to a tier is because of mina

arstal

10-05-2007, 12:59 PM

i remember reading somewhere in the HeavenlySpirits forum that "Tenka is alright as a game itself, but utterly fails as a SamSho game"

LOL... whats funny to me is i can see the reasoning behind this, but i think that reasoning is also why i love this game so much... its soooo different from all the other SS games yet there is a sense of familiarity to it... i think the biggest complaint is how damage is meet... honestly SST feels more like a capcom game to me then a SNK game... and to me thats a good thing but i've always had love for the SS series since 2

I can say that from talking to and playing this once with the Triad, they felt the same way. I enjoyed the game, but since I have no one to play it with, what's the point?

I'll say this- Yuki is probably given the success of their games critically, the best fighting game maker in the business right now.

Rik

10-05-2007, 01:18 PM

Why does it feel like a Capcom game though, iv'e been hearing that a lot as well but im not exaclty sure why it feels like a capcom game.

F.Y.C.N.

10-05-2007, 03:38 PM

how does any of that matter specifically vs mina over any other character when she would have a option to beat both the mid he wants to land (ab) and dashing in to throw? the entire reason why kazuki is ever argued back to a tier is because of mina

i cant tell by the way you quoted me you didn't even read my response...

go back and read why i said what i said... except this time read it

Return of Shiki

10-05-2007, 03:45 PM

I wonder what people would think about SS Tenka if only it didn't have the "SS" in the title...

F.Y.C.N.

10-05-2007, 03:48 PM

I wonder what people would think about SS Tenka if only it didn't have the "SS" in the title...

it wouldn't matter much to me its still a great game

Dandy J

10-05-2007, 04:49 PM

i cant tell by the way you quoted me you didn't even read my response...

go back and read why i said what i said... except this time read it
i guess you didnt read what i typed either

F.Y.C.N.

10-05-2007, 09:27 PM

and that negates my point how? If she tries to counter poke or throw which was the desired response BTW... she eats a AB combo...

shes really only a threat from a distance... up close shes a threat on wake up while in defensive crouch... if you're on the attack up close against a Mina you have the initiative...

I would also like to add that i was referencing Ken Mina vs Ten Kazuki and the reasoning behind (the Beef of it if you will) is bc Ken Spirit doesn't allow for POW burst which is really a disadvantage against you when someone can do a combo that will end your life with one simple and long poke... that may not sound like a huge disadvantage but it is especially in the clutch when its the final round and you've managed to whittle your opponent down to a fraction of life and you fuck up once there goes half you life and you're down to square one... POW burst would easily negate that... but you choose Ken Mina cause you loved that unblockable set up so much now you got to eat a 40% combo...

good day sir

since people need shit spelled out for them

Dark Geese

10-05-2007, 09:57 PM

I will comment on all of this once I get back from Mexico/El Paso..

F.Y.C.N.

10-06-2007, 12:37 AM

the tiering in SST is really in flux... the tops are Mina, Amakusa, Iroha... so actually there is a top three in this game too... you have characters that can compete with the three but its still a battle (much like third strike)...

also we have to take into consideration spirit choice... match ups change significantly when this is added to the mix which is why i dont really agree with Arastal when he says the balance isnt as good as SSVS... we haven't explored every avenue of the game quite yet... there is alot to be said about spirit choice in SST...

Ten Mina is like the Chun li of SST but she has her weaknesses against Do Charlotte and Ten Iroha... Ken Mina has a better match up against Do Charlotte but loses straight up to Ten Sogetsu or Kazuki... its a lot harder to specify when it comes to tiers in this game... there is too much diversity

obviously there are crap characters like Genjuro... but we have yet to fully explore possiblities with him... im sure he will still be low tier but he wont suck completely like he does now

i was wrong when saying it was a straight up loss, but the advantage shifts to Kazuki's favor... i mean its still Mina vs Kazuki but we have to take into consideration the pros and cons of Spirit choice that is the bulk of what i've been talking about... understand now?

Dandy J

10-06-2007, 04:18 AM

I agree with the point on spirit choice obviously, but Mina can do the 'unblockable' with regular arrows too, it's not like she absolutely has to pick Ken groove. My argument isn't really concerning the choice in spirits for Mina.

F.Y.C.N.

10-06-2007, 10:19 AM

well Dandy for the most part thats all i was talking about... spirit choice

F.Y.C.N.

10-08-2007, 12:26 AM

been playing with Ocha Maru in 3 spirit and shes pretty buff... range games seem to be an issue with her but when she gets in on you she has alot of options to stay on top of you... bc of the ability to block in the air and jump straight up then follow up with two different version of her kicks in the air she can stay on top of you on wake up very easily... on wake up standing kick beats throws and acts as a great tick into her command grab... which i found to be very tekken style... similar to King's combo grab (i dont know the name of the move) it does a fairly good amount of damage and is a good mix up with her fwd B which is hella fast and her strongest asset on wake up and makes for a decent anti air... her rekka moves have a command grab mix up which is cool but not great cause its fairly slow...

anyway just thought id through that out there to keep the thread moving

Virtua_Leon

10-08-2007, 09:47 AM

how much better would you think tenka would be with 5 specials wake up game?

skati

10-08-2007, 09:57 AM

I love the series, but suck at it...and kind of only recently came to a conclusion why. I've heard that this is a series that you can't really play offensively, not like SNK's other games. If that's true, I guess that's why I always get wrecked in it.

arstal

10-08-2007, 03:37 PM

There are a few chars you can be aggressive with.

Charlotte, Enja, Ukyo, Gaira, Kazuki off the top of my head.

F.Y.C.N.

10-08-2007, 06:58 PM

how much better would you think tenka would be with 5 specials wake up game?

SST has a variation of 5Sp wake up game in Rei spirit... i don't know tho i haven't jumped into the intricacies of SS5Sp to know too much about that.

care to elaborate on what you mean?

arstal

10-08-2007, 07:03 PM

The getup system in Special is almost identical to that in the Vampire series.

F.Y.C.N.

10-08-2007, 07:05 PM

The getup system in Special is almost identical to that in the Vampire series.

i didn't get deep into that system either

Dandy J

10-08-2007, 08:05 PM

The get up system in 5sp (and ss3 and ss4 and ss5) was you can hold left or right to roll in either direction, and the rolls weren't punishable. You could also delay getting up/rolling or hit a button/direction to roll/stand right away. Additionally in 4, you could hold down and mash slashes to gain some life back, but it took away your ability to roll or change the timing of getting up.

Originally I liked SST's wakeup game a lot, but in the end it became kinda dumb because a lot of characters have some setup they can do on reaction to to catch both techs and be read to pressure if it doesn't work.

The original idea of mixup between pounce or tech punish was good, it's just that missing a pounce is way too risky. So in the end everyone just doesn't tech, the aggressor does their little setup in case they do tech, or takes their bit of ground for free (or both), and it slows down the pace of the game.

F.Y.C.N.

10-09-2007, 02:20 AM

rolling in the corner is a bad idea all the time in SST...

skati

10-09-2007, 04:17 AM

There are a few chars you can be aggressive with.

Charlotte, Enja, Ukyo, Gaira, Kazuki off the top of my head.

Heh, Kazuki has always been my main since he first appeared...though I haven't had a chance to play the latest one yet. If not him, then I'd probably have to go with Galford, Rimururu, and Genjuro.

F.Y.C.N.

10-09-2007, 05:54 PM

Genjuro is just trash in SST... Kazuki is a killer so i say stick with your guns on this one...

Dark Geese

10-10-2007, 06:11 PM

If you all want a Mizuki Primer in SST I just wrote one in my thread..next is Haohmaru, Suija, Enja, and whoever else people have asked about.

Dark Geese

10-11-2007, 05:25 PM

Also I have posted up a Suija SST Primer and a Haohmaru Primer in my thread for those that have asked. Go a page or so back from the thread where it currently is and you will see it, I am working on the ENja one now.

Kyokugen

10-22-2007, 04:51 AM

Gaira. Gaira... all day long.

I can't seem to play him for anything in SS5sp though. His rdp command grabs seem to have much longer range than they actually do. He also has the weirdest '360' (as in big grab, not the actual motion) motion I've ever seen.

That being said I still try hard to play him. His super and fatality are kinda lame, too.

If you're still taking request, Geese, it'd be nice to find out about this dude.

Dark Geese

10-22-2007, 07:17 AM

Gaira has a broken pounce infinite in SST...I will type up something for him possibly today should I have time..

Also guys I'll put up a Suija, Enja, Yunfei primer in the Eye of the Ragin Storm II thread check the first page a little ways down to find it archived.

Kyokugen

10-22-2007, 07:18 AM

Thanks, Geese.

Enja looks pretty solid, too. Wtf, his fatality is WOW. He reminds me of a DBZ char.

Dark Geese

10-22-2007, 11:48 AM

Enja is very tough to use...if you master him though, beware, he's possibly besides Mina the deadliest person in the game arguably..

Gaira SST Primer I coming!

Dark Geese

10-22-2007, 02:20 PM

Gaira SST Primer I
-His Pounce Infinite is in the corner-(facing right) His command grab is[ up-back, up, up-forward+C, then once it hits and they hit the corner, pounce with df+C], repeat the brackets. This is not legal in tournaments BTW.
- To rotate his command Grab faster keep doing 360s on the pad/stick you are using until he drops the opponent.
-Anti Airs are his fireball, cr. C, Far St. C, and his Super if done right. Also DP+C can be used as an Anti Air as it has some autoguard on it.
-Gaira is like a grappler with a weapon and somewhat of a short fireball..play him like such, abuse the short fireball as it is very good and also make sure and use his Command Grab. Also His Pearl Pokes are good so use hose also, but keep in mind Gaira takes work to be playef effectively, but hes pretty much a grappler. I personally like EX Gaira better as he’s more of a grappler than regular Gaira is. But EX Gaira (Kim Chung) isn’t tournament legal. There really isn’t much to Gaira at all
- Aerial down+C crosses up and knocks down, good to use.
-Also his Forward+C move is good to use also for rushdown purposes and others. Use it!\

That’s enough for now, I use Gaira in Ten Groove personally.