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maxx

07-02-2007, 08:50 AM

This is purely dedicated to the love of the flash. All of them, though wally is by far the most broken of them all.

What are you guys hoping their gonna lead into..with the new flash series. I hope we get more speedforce stuff..it seems other writers beyond waid have no real connection to messing with the speedforce. Like they want to, but fear how they can fuck it up.

07-02-2007, 09:16 AM

Geoff Johns > Mark Waid. His Flash was just that much better. And he actually EXPLAINED the physics behind the Flash's powers. Mark Waid used the Speedforce because it's a cheap plot device for the Flash. And I really disliked Mark Waid's characterization in the old Flash stuff. It was kind of bland compared to Johns' writing. That, and Johns made the Rogue's Gallery cooler.

Definitely some of the reasons as to why I fear this Flash run. And yeah, here's hoping there isn't any Speedforce stuff being thrown around in every issue.

maxx

07-02-2007, 09:23 AM

waid is the reason i even became a flash fan. Speedforce is where its at.

Taichi

07-02-2007, 10:56 AM

I'm a Bart Allen Fan.

so, until we get Bart Back, I will not be buying Flash.

Unless it features Bart, natch.

maxx

07-02-2007, 11:05 AM

I'm a Bart Allen Fan.

so, until we get Bart Back, I will not be buying Flash.

Unless it features Bart, natch.

lol well theirs like..one loss.

i stopped buying flash til wally came back haha.

Taichi

07-02-2007, 11:15 AM

Well, it's not that I hate Wally, it's that I think Bart got a raw deal.

so, I ain't reading Wally's title, unless Bart is in it.

I don't care if Bart comes back as Kid Flash, or Impulse, just that he COMES BACK.

Sano

07-02-2007, 12:26 PM

The artist behind Flash's silver age costume Carmine Infantino is a pretty cool guy. Like he told me before, Flash's suit is classic, no one really messes with his design even to this day - it's still more or less the same outfit.

maxx

07-02-2007, 12:32 PM

i too enjoy bart but only as impulse and kid flash..kid flash was an approperiate maturation of the character. But then they sped him to adult age way too fast...its not bart's time yet...wally's only been the flash for a decade and a half.

ChairHome

07-02-2007, 02:33 PM

Waid is only writing 4 issues of the old/new Flash (http://www.comicbookresources.com/columns/?column=13)

07-02-2007, 03:01 PM

Waid is only writing 4 issues of the old/new Flash (http://www.comicbookresources.com/columns/?column=13)

That makes me happy.

Zephyranthes

07-02-2007, 03:04 PM

I haven't read much of Waid's Flash run. All I really know is that one crucial story of his, The Return of Barry Allen. That definitely opened up my eyes and showed me how cool the Flash can be. That story was one of the first things that got me into DC Comics. It's just a classic Wally West story.

But yeah, Johns' Flash is just crazy good. One of the best superhero runs I can think of. The way Johns built up the supporting cast, which included the villains, was pretty unusual for a superhero title. And the build-up to the Blitz story, and issue 200 was just- wow. Then that arc with the Alberto Dose art was an awesome continuation in a new direction. Whatever happened to Dose, anyway? His art reminded me of Risso's.

Flash got weak somewhere in the middle of Porter's run, and this recent volume of Flash with Bart was just ass. I just couldn't understand how anyone could like it. The writing sucked hard, the concept was pedestrian, and there was nothing to it. The fact that they killed Bart to satisfy the "real" Flash fans was just a pathetic waste of a character. There were a lot of garbage of One Year Later plotlines, but Flash got jacked the worst.

RockBogart

07-02-2007, 03:26 PM

People need to stop bitching about Superman being broken and look at the Flash.

maxx

07-02-2007, 03:56 PM

The makes me happy.

that makes me sad.

Zephyranthes

07-02-2007, 10:01 PM

07-03-2007, 09:32 AM

Oh, come on, Deathy. How bad can Waid on Flash be? I knew you were a Flash fan... I never pegged you for a Waid-hater. I just assumed anyone who likes Flash likes Waid's Flash. But, like I said, I never fully read Waid's run. So you gotta explain to me what was so bad about what he did with the Speedforce.

He gave us Cobalt Blue back in 1999. All leading up to issue #150. Quite possibly the worst Flash story ever. I like Waid, but I don't like him on The Flash. He writes too much involving the Speedforce and it ends up detracting from the characters that actually make the book enjoyable. I just really find his Flash dull and boring. There's no life to his stories as opposed to Geoff Johns' masterful run. Geoff let you know exactly what Wally was thinking and how he dealt with his powers on a daily basis. Knowing that he embodies the Speedforce and he lives faster than everyone else and at times he had to force himself to slowdown in order to live at a normal pace.

You don't see that kind of characterization with Waid. He'll throw in a couple of 'haha' jokes and a few villains and try to sell it. It's always been said that Waid's best comic book run was on Captain America with Ron Garney. And it was.

I guess it's because I like Geoff's theme for all of his works: Legacy. I really dig that aspect. You get a feel for these characters and you know they have to step it up to live upto their predecessor.

Just looking at the wiki for the Flash and it doesn't have Cobalt Blue listed AT ALL. That's how bad it was. And mind you, I own those issues. I'll have to dig them up and re-read them just to laugh at the horrendousness that was Cobalt Blue. Let's not forget that this was his second to last arc on the book when he was co-writing with Brian Augustyn.

Sano

07-03-2007, 10:32 AM

For whatever reason Speedforce made the Avenger/JLA crossover hella funny.

FLASH: CRAP! I can't run fast in the Marvel Universe! I can't access the Speedforce! TEH SPEEDFORCE! DOH!!!!

QUICKSILVER: CRAP! I can't run fast in the DC Universe! I can't access the Speedforce! TEH SPEEDFORCE! DOH!!!!

Well it was something like that, read it a while ago. :rofl:

nameingway

07-03-2007, 01:37 PM

yeah then flash got a battery for the marvel universe and started smoking quicknuts on his own terf. kind of stupid idea but funny still.

maxx

07-03-2007, 03:07 PM

He gave us Cobalt Blue back in 1999. All leading up to issue #150. Quite possibly the worst Flash story ever. I like Waid, but I don't like him on The Flash. He writes too much involving the Speedforce and it ends up detracting from the characters that actually make the book enjoyable. I just really find his Flash dull and boring. There's no life to his stories as opposed to Geoff Johns' masterful run. Geoff let you know exactly what Wally was thinking and how he dealt with his powers on a daily basis. Knowing that he embodies the Speedforce and he lives faster than everyone else and at times he had to force himself to slowdown in order to live at a normal pace.

You don't see that kind of characterization with Waid. He'll throw in a couple of 'haha' jokes and a few villains and try to sell it. It's always been said that Waid's best comic book run was on Captain America with Ron Garney. And it was.

I guess it's because I like Geoff's theme for all of his works: Legacy. I really dig that aspect. You get a feel for these characters and you know they have to step it up to live upto their predecessor.

Just looking at the wiki for the Flash and it doesn't have Cobalt Blue listed AT ALL. That's how bad it was. And mind you, I own those issues. I'll have to dig them up and re-read them just to laugh at the horrendousness that was Cobalt Blue. Let's not forget that this was his second to last arc on the book when he was co-writing with Brian Augustyn.

lol cobalt blue is odd cause it pretty much sets up the flash for the next 100 flashes lol. I mean we all know his daughter is the next to take up the mantle...but since flash deals alot with timetraveling..the death of bart is very odd. His death cannot be permenant at all.

But i'm curious to see if wally's son grows up to be the slacker he was in kingdom come universe..cause that would be awesome. a fucking slacker flash who abuses his power for his own means but not in a villain kinda way.

i like both geoff and waids run cause they gave me something different, at different stages in my life.

waid's run-introduced me to flash..and i was a kid so it gave me a fun flash that i didnt think too much of. He pretty much wrote wally as if he was spider-man with some sneakers on

geoff-i had matured and was ready to take on a more mature character where you wanted to know things..why things were done and what made things happen. I didnt need that as a kid cause as a kid i just wanna have a fun adventure without thinking too much.

both runs give me sumtin i need.

Taichi

07-03-2007, 09:04 PM

Okay, I do love and respect the Flash Legacy, and I do think Wally is the best Flash to wear the red suit. (We've been through this in the OLD Flash thread.) Jay is the best Speester period, though.

the thing is, Bart is my favorite character. Do I want him back as the Flash?, no, I didn't think it was time when he became the Flash, and I still feel that way.

do I want him back as Kid Flash, or better yet, Impulse?, that would be best.

I think Bart got screwed by Editorial, for no good reason. He died for nothing.

07-04-2007, 09:25 AM

I think Bart got screwed by Editorial, for no good reason. He died for nothing.

You know, after giving it some thought, it makes sense that Bart would die the way he died. Think about it. He always wanted to be a big hero. After all the ridicule he recieved as Impulse, and to a lesser extent, Kid Flash. He really didn't step his game up until he found out he was able to memorize everything he read.

And he never really faced off against the Rogues before. So, he didn't really know what to do. He's probably come across them once or twice with Wally and that's it. It sucks, yeah. But, that's how it goes. I do hope they bring him back, though. I'm sure Wally can be able to do it.

Kinda funny, too. Wally was never dead. And yet, Bart managed to get ALL of the Speedforce stuck in him becoming the embodiment of the Speedforce. I might have to look into that when I re-organize my stash and re-read some of the IC stuff.

maxx

07-04-2007, 10:13 AM

the whole living embodiment crap is bull. If that was ture, then he should be able to access the memories of all past speedsters and know how to deal with the rogues.

07-04-2007, 11:20 AM

the whole living embodiment crap is bull. If that was ture, then he should be able to access the memories of all past speedsters and know how to deal with the rogues.

That's what ended up happening. The writing for the first 9 issues were bogus. They really fucked it up big time.

maxx

07-04-2007, 03:13 PM

MARC GUGGENHEIM ON FLASH #13
http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=119421

07-04-2007, 03:52 PM

maxx

07-04-2007, 03:57 PM

Pretty good interview. He did actually turn the book around with just five issues. Good shit. I love the fact that someone on that forum mentioned Waid and Hypertime in the same sentence. They know what's up. lol

Anyway, I see Bart coming back by the end of next year. No one stays dead. No one. Especially when they have a loyal fanbase(i.e. Wally).

well especially if their a flash...the speedforce essentially makes it so they dont stay dead.

did barry's supposed 5 time limit come up? how he was gonna show up like 5 in crucial moments for wally?

Christ0pher

07-04-2007, 05:08 PM

Taichi

07-05-2007, 01:46 AM

"Bart is Jar-Jar?"

fucking blasphemy.

Wellman

07-06-2007, 11:21 PM

Bart got shafted. But a lot of people have been shafted by DC One Year Later. I am guessing that all that talk about having a plan for after IC was just bullshit for all their titles, except Superman. Seriously, Bart shouldn't have been that difficult of a character to take the Flash mythos in a different direction. It is just that DC didn't know what to do except try to force Bart to be another Wally and they gave him to some guys that didn't know what the fuck to do except bullshit a new origin.

maxx

07-06-2007, 11:41 PM

robin got just as shafted or more than bart..at least we know barts gonna come back sometime down the line...he's fuckin barry's grandson..hes not dead for long.

but robins dad is dead forever.

07-06-2007, 11:46 PM

robin got just as shafted or more than bart..at least we know barts gonna come back sometime down the line...he's fuckin barry's grandson..hes not dead for long.

but robins dad is dead forever.

Robin got shafted even harder because he lost two of his closest friends. He basically grew up with these guys when they formed Young Justice.

maxx

07-07-2007, 12:08 AM

Robin got shafted even harder because he lost two of his closest friends. He basically grew up with these guys when they formed Young Justice.

true dat.

Wellman

07-07-2007, 10:58 AM

Eh, but at least Robin still has his book, TT, cameos in Bat titles and just waiting on Wonder girl to give it up.

But yeah, doing the math, DC really is fucking Tim up. Thank god, for the bad writing that allows characters to ignore the pain of lose. It worked for Peter Parker when his first born and clone/brother were killed. Given time it will work for Tim.

maxx

07-07-2007, 10:22 PM

watched flash and substance and the season 5? finale of justice league unlimited again.

shits soo beastly even though they made linda into a ditzy blonde...she's more lois than lois is. If lois and linda ever got into a fight...my money's on the asian.

nameingway

07-18-2007, 02:58 PM

all-star was good shit, i need more.

nameingway

07-23-2007, 08:08 AM

i hate to double post, but has no one else read this? it basically adds a whole new level of broken to flash.

07-24-2007, 09:48 AM

I read it.

And as predicted, it was nothing but Speedforce-related stuff. It was cool what he did to Inertia. Made sense in the long run(pun!). But, the real clincher was when Inertia figured out why Bart lost his powers. That was the only good part that really stood out. The rest was alright.

Karl Kesel needs to be the regular artist for this book. Fuck all those other scrubs in that issue.

Time Treadmill EDIT! - I'm guessing the twins and Linda form a family superteam with Wally(thank you obvious last page with all that stuff). That's what it looked like to me, anyway.

But, what the fuck was up with that Bat-suit coming out of the ring?

nameingway

07-24-2007, 04:30 PM

And as predicted, it was nothing but Speedforce-related stuff. It was cool what he did to Inertia. Made sense in the long run(pun!). But, the real clincher was when Inertia figured out why Bart lost his powers. That was the only good part that really stood out. The rest was alright.

Karl Kesel needs to be the regular artist for this book. Fuck all those other scrubs in that issue.

Time Treadmill EDIT! - I'm guessing the twins and Linda form a family superteam with Wally(thank you obvious last page with all that stuff). That's what it looked like to me, anyway.

But, what the fuck was up with that Bat-suit coming out of the ring?

well... yeah, but that was the whole 'thing' with the entire volume 3 of the flash. bart had the entire speedforce, so of course wally is gonna be like, "i got that speed force!" one thing i wanted him to do to inertia was just go to town on his face for a little bit. if nothing else beat the shit out of his chest so nobody is wondering why a statue is bashed up.

art? yes, that was a very nice switchup. it's not too 'cartoony' to JLU (which isn't bad don't get be wrong) but it did have a cartoonish feel to it. please keep that fool on deck for the rest of the run.

the batsuit? yeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaah. between that and the batman pic on the last page of recent dc comics i have no fucking idea but hopefully we get some good shit and soon.

ChairHome

07-25-2007, 11:16 AM

Finally read All Flash and it was pretty nice

The art in those last two pages looked kinda weird, his son has super strength? The bat thing was really intriguing though. As far as Karl Kerschl goes, I've been saying make him a regular since he did issue 3 of the Flash series that just ended. Apparently he takes a long time to finish his work though, so its a no go :-(

Rengoku

10-27-2007, 01:04 AM

now i'm a flash fan

please suggest me any issue worth it, novels, comics whatever..since italy don't have any flash issue beside some collections i intend to pick american issues..

kane_warhead

10-27-2007, 01:59 AM

nameingway

10-27-2007, 05:09 AM

Actually, Quicksilver can run faster in the DC universe because of the speedforce.

wait, what? where did you see this? because in the jla vs avengers arc (which was canon i believe) he got dunced on by flash everywhere he went (until flash's "speedforce battery" ran out of juice lol).

kane_warhead

10-27-2007, 05:20 AM

wait, what? where did you see this? because in the jla vs avengers arc (which was canon i believe) he got dunced on by flash everywhere he went (until flash's "speedforce battery" ran out of juice lol).

Notice I didn't say that he outrun the flash in the dc universe. I just said Quicksilver was faster(than he is in the Marvel Universe) in the DC universe... but Flash is the speed force in DC.

I don't have the comic with me so take it with a grain of salt.

nameingway

10-27-2007, 05:28 AM

in that case i think you may be right, i do recall something along those lines in those books. my bad for the ass-crack of dawn reading failure lol.

edit: i quick scanned those 4 issues and i didn't him see his was running faster because of the speed force, only that he was trying to use it to run faster and it wasn't working. i could have missed something tho.