The New Arcana HYPE Thread - Asians split pot at NEC, Sabin allows it by no showing

[Luigi-Bo 87]

What is it???

[orka]

yoriko looks like she's giving a paizuri. i bet they did it on purpose too. nobody play maori cus she's the hardest to use (maybe aside lieselotte). :(

and fyi... kamui looks 16 but she's technically hundreds of years old. she just awakens whenever there is a dimensional rift.

[Luigi-Bo 87]

Whateva, just wait til she's 18.:lovin:

[orka]

you don't get it mang do you?

maori is only 14, and she's already DAMN... in 4 years she will be DAAYUMN

[Keits]

Better yet, wait till she is 60, and her once lovely big boobs are touching the floor in a wrinkled sagging mess that makes you puke on your bonerless dick every time you see them.

small tits stay PERKY and awesome FOREVER.

and are hot.

[orka]

Better yet, wait till she is 60, and her once lovely big boobs are touching the floor in a wrinkled sagging mess that makes you puke on your bonerless dick every time you see them.

small tits stay PERKY and awesome FOREVER.

and are hot.

:crybaby:

[Master Chibi]

Better yet, wait till she is 60, and her once lovely big boobs are touching the floor in a wrinkled sagging mess that makes you puke on your bonerless dick every time you see them.

small tits stay PERKY and awesome FOREVER.

and are hot.

you might as well be licking 2x4's and fucking anthills then.

:looney:

[Keits]

Awwww dont cry. Big bubz are great as long as your girl doesnt age :)

[NappyJin]

As long as they're not awkward looking small funbags. And their breasts can sag with they're 60. They'll probably be single by then because dudes are assholes.


I'll take my mopey loli antibubz any day.

[Anakron]

Konoha's 2b or 2c beats out Lillica's 2b, right?

[Keits]

WHAT DOES THAT HAVE TO DO WITH ANYTHING???

Nappy knows. loli antibubz ftw.

[Luigi-Bo 87]

Lol at all you chumps. I hope you like your new title Keits.:tup: It should fit.

[CrimsonDisaster]

and fyi... kamui looks 16 but she's technically hundreds of years old. she just awakens whenever there is a dimensional rift.

hawt

[HeartNana]

Konoha's 2b or 2c beats out Lillica's 2b, right?

What do you mean by "beats out"?

They're the same speed, im pretty sure, their 2B's. Lilica's 2B is faster than Konoha's 2C, so Lilica would win in that case. If Konoha and Lilica both do 2C (say after their 2B's clash), they'll both get tripped.

[orka]

hey rob... you know how you told me konoha is lilica's worst match up?

i was watching the sbo dvd and the announcer commented in one of the matches that lilica is generally considered to have slight advantage over konoha. he mentioned something about reach, but didn't go into it much more than that.

what do you think? o:

[Luigi-Bo 87]

Curse you for being able to understand that shit.:mad:

[Makoto Scrub]

Curse you for being able to understand that shit.:mad:
Thats right. Hate for him being better at you in something.

H8

[Luigi-Bo 87]

Hate, hate, hate, hate!

Can Saki make good use of fire?

[HeartNana]

hey rob... you know how you told me konoha is lilica's worst match up?

i was watching the sbo dvd and the announcer commented in one of the matches that lilica is generally considered to have slight advantage over konoha. he mentioned something about reach, but didn't go into it much more than that.

what do you think? o:

I think that every character has more range than konoha, cept maybe Liese w/out puppet...

Too many moves whiff over her that don't whiff over other characters, and she messes up combos cause she gets hit wierd.

Then again, i still have the pre-FULL mindset partly engraved into my thoughts on konoha. Maybe not now as much since she got toned, but before i def think so.

[orka]

hm, i see.

hey so... i don't know all of konoha's changes. but did she basically get weaker in full! because she can't easily loop hayatezuki as much as she did in the past? (much like kamui can't do midscreen loops using 41236a whiffs?).

luigi hates me because i'm a 300lbs otaku gamer.

[Luigi-Bo 87]

lol. you hide it well (no homo). i hate you because, you always dress all balla to tournies and make the rest of us look po' ass.

[P. Gorath]

i really need to play against some humans in this game

[Makoto Scrub]

lol. you hide it well (no homo). i hate you because, you always dress all balla to tournies and make the rest of us look po' ass.
Being black doesnt help much either....

[orka]

stop making up stories. i always wear anime shirts and never shave.

[Luigi-Bo 87]

??? How'd you know??:confused:

- Cut the bs Yosh. Stop trying to keep your internet rep.:rofl:

[Makoto Scrub]

??? How'd you know??:confused:
Cause I got it like that mai nukkya!

[BlackShinobi]

Everyone has a range advantage over konoha. She has to play very careful just outside of her 2B range or she will get fucked up. She really shouldn't be fighting it out on the ground with anyone.

[Shinto]

This thread derailed about ten times since I last posted :sad:

Fire Saki is like medium but Lightning Saki is tops, I think I'm gonna be picking water a lot now. the random factor is to strong.

Every time I play with Konoha it usually consist of my IADing all over the place...and then dropping combos (only on arcade).

What is the next big event?

[DS]

Everyone has a range advantage over konoha. She has to play very careful just outside of her 2B range or she will get fucked up. She really shouldn't be fighting it out on the ground with anyone.

She can, but she has to get within that range. There ARE characters with better air priority than her.

[Master Chibi]

This thread derailed about ten times since I last posted :sad:

Fire Saki is like medium but Lightning Saki is tops, I think I'm gonna be picking water a lot now. the random factor is to strong.

Every time I play with Konoha it usually consist of my IADing all over the place...and then dropping combos (only on arcade).

What is the next big event?

Water is such a fucking retarded Arcana.

God I better not start or else I'm going to go off on a rant.

:rofl:

[Luigi-Bo 87]

Madness Makoto.

Thanks for the fire advice

[Shinto]

Water is such a fucking retarded Arcana.

God I better not start or else I'm going to go off on a rant.

:rofl:

:rofl:

I know how you feel, I was playing Tian and he had water Kamui and all he was doing was taunting me and laughing as I keep hitting his Bubbles....Tian laughter:confused::sad:

Damn Fiona being so slow!

[orka]

fiona is a crippled child

little things could have made her better you know... like allow j2c to be super cancellable

then she could have been effective with gier, lightning and water

[BlackShinobi]

She can, but she has to get within that range. There ARE characters with better air priority than her.

Sure some characters have better air priority than her but EVERYONE has better range than her on the ground.
The air also gives her better use of her speed. and leads into her mixup game.

[Makoto Scrub]

Madness Makoto.
THIS IS ARCANAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[CrimsonDisaster]

hey so... i don't know all of konoha's changes. but did she basically get weaker in full! because she can't easily loop hayatezuki as much as she did in the past? (much like kamui can't do midscreen loops using 41236a whiffs?).

She's weaker because she takes like triple damage crouching (maybe it's only double I DON'T REMEMBER), less clash judgment on jB (ie. doesn't clash everything that had any hope of touching Konoha), kunai toned down, and uhhhh other people got better.

Also Konoha doesn't have that many problems getting in on the ground against most characters. Speed, good Arcana use. It's not like every ground-to-ground interaction is both of you pushing buttons at the same time from max range.
Still easier to attack from the air, though I guess that's why they toned her jB down lol.

[Shinto]

fiona is a crippled child

little things could have made her better you know... like allow j2c to be super cancellable

then she could have been effective with gier, lightning and water

In part 2 just give her more speed...plz.

also make it so she don't only have 1 combo.:sad:

[BlackShinobi]

THIS IS ARCANAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
:rofl::rofl::rofl:

[Keits]

I got a new title? i cant see it from my phone. what is it?

[woof]

kunai toned down,
air kunai lockdown was waaaaaaaay too good

im sure you remember those days lol

[CrimsonDisaster]

air kunai lockdown was waaaaaaaay too good

im sure you remember those days lol

I felt bad for Adam that one evening I first started doing kunai crap haha.

Dunno why I never got around to doing fire loops till right before I stopped playing.

[Fadedsun303]

Have you all seen this fan art?

http://www1.atword.jp/rsqkr936/wp-content/a1646.JPG

http://www1.atword.jp/rsqkr936/wp-content/a1645.JPG

[XAQshinor]

She's weaker because she takes like triple damage crouching (maybe it's only double I DON'T REMEMBER)

she doesnt take ANY extra dmg while crouching. i tested a few weeks
ago, so its either a port fuk up or we were lied to.

[Hyperhal]

Have you all seen this fan art?

http://www1.atword.jp/rsqkr936/wp-content/a1646.JPG

http://www1.atword.jp/rsqkr936/wp-content/a1645.JPG

Fanart of two gay guys? Do not want

[Makoto Scrub]

Fanart of two gay guys? Do not want
Dont hate on teh chicks who arent low tier witches.

:0

[CrimsonDisaster]

she doesnt take ANY extra dmg while crouching. i tested a few weeks
ago, so its either a port fuk up or we were lied to.

I'm pretty sure I've seen a pretty big jump in damage when I've been caught crouching, like Arturo's Lang-Gong Heart doing 80-90% to my Konoha off a crossup... with like one meter =[
Of course, it was Lang-Gong and Heart. Still.

[Sugarmilktea]

Konoha takes double dmg when in crouching stance. It's one of the changes from ah - ahf

[White Rob]

Hey would anybody in SoCal be interested in playin some console AHF this weekend? I have access to the game and a pretty sizable living room. PM ME if you're interested. I'm located at Mission Viejo.

[Tiggy]

Hey guys, wanna hear something funny? I was practicing loops and Flash Step combos with Lilica yesterday and Monday.....and I actually got angry.:lol: I've managed to connect one 5B in the Flash Step combo, and up to (count 'em) 4 hits for the loop. I'm getting stronger...!

[TitaniumBeast!]

wtf is up with this game's controls

seriously i'm getting so much random movement i don't want

fucking unwanted forward airdash into flamethrower supers makes me sick

arcana HATE indeed

btw chibi i'm still going to rape you at nec

[orka]

got vacation approved and plane tickets reserved

will be at nec

[Master Chibi]

wtf is up with this game's controls

seriously i'm getting so much random movement i don't want

fucking unwanted forward airdash into flamethrower supers makes me sick



yeah join the club

throw in the fact that arcana and hc button are one and the same and you just end up hoping your special edition of the game came with cyanide pills

also plz no rape

got vacation approved and plane tickets reserved

will be at nec

hay hay

made my day

[TitaniumBeast!]

if you know what's good for you, the first thing you'll do when you see me is run

and learn how to run backwards

[Hyperhal]

Hey guys, wanna hear something funny? I was practicing loops and Flash Step combos with Lilica yesterday and Monday.....and I actually got angry.:lol: I've managed to connect one 5B in the Flash Step combo, and up to (count 'em) 4 hits for the loop. I'm getting stronger...!

Get hype, get angry, stay hungry, step it up, don't forget the bodywash, etc.

EDIT: Wasn't Lilica in Eiken?

[orka]

i'll admit i've never watched eiken. those bubz are a bit too big even for me.

to me, perfect bubz size is what you see in witchblade. :lovin:

[XAQshinor]

I'm pretty sure I've seen a pretty big jump in damage when I've been caught crouching, like Arturo's Lang-Gong Heart doing 80-90% to my Konoha off a crossup... with like one meter =[
Of course, it was Lang-Gong and Heart. Still.

Konoha takes double dmg when in crouching stance. It's one of the changes from ah - ahf

when i tested it the numbers were EXACTLY the same, so like i said
either its a fuk up in the port or examu lied to us.

[someAzNdude]

err Xaq, did you check to see if Konoha was original AH or AHF when you tested it on her? Because the game would randomly pick between AH original and AHF characters for training mode... :/
Unless you picked Konoha first and then used the second character to beat on her...?

[Kryian]

I tested it with AHF Konoha, in both training and versus, and the damage is exactly the same both crouching and standing.

[XAQshinor]

err Xaq, did you check to see if Konoha was original AH or AHF when you tested it on her? Because the game would randomly pick between AH original and AHF characters for training mode... :/
Unless you picked Konoha first and then used the second character to beat on her...?

yea of course ken thats how i got the numbers that i needed to compare.
so idk wats up, niggas got lied to :\

[Makoto Scrub]

yea of course ken thats how i got the numbers that i needed to compare.
so idk wats up, niggas got lied to :\
At least they didnt make her hitboxes smaller.

:K

[CrimsonDisaster]

yea of course ken thats how i got the numbers that i needed to compare.
so idk wats up, niggas got lied to :\

or the console port sux

[Faight]

So with mei-fang, what bread and butter should I be aiming for? The wiki tells me one, but it seems like the opponent can flip out, and the one from the Arcadia articles requires that you be Japanese to execute it.

Halp plox.

[Nastrodamus]

welp i didn't know that she was double damaged in arcade.. damn...

anyways... will be At C3 for dat arcana so imma rool up there

also switch to fire again.... ressurecction of lang gong has begun

[Master Chibi]

or the console port sux

yessssss

[Tiggy]

[QUOTE=Hyperhal;4483575]Get hype, get angry, stay hungry, step it up, don't forget the bodywash, etc.


EDIT: Wasn't Lilica in Eiken?

:rofl: I'm still at four hits for the loop, but I FINALLY figured out how to do the a~C buffer for the Flash Step! All this time, I thought it was 214A, and then A+C, 5B. HA! I've done up to two hits, and I've managed to start the loop from it as well. I'm getting better! But I haven't been brave enough to dash forward after the Flash Step yet....

BTW, I've heard of Eiken once, but have never seen it before.

[Luigi-Bo 87]

Wait, is Eiken a series? I saw a movie of it once like a year ago on tv. It mad this girl with tiddies so bif she had to devote one arm just to holding them shits up.

[Hyperhal]

It's a three(or two) episode series, where most of the girls have tits to die for

I just remember one of them that reminded me of Lilica, but I haven't seen it in so long

[orka]

who wants to hang with me at nec? o:

be a pal

[Master Chibi]

meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee~

superfriends

[orka]

meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee~

superfriends

:wink:

[TitaniumBeast!]

sorry orka he's gonna be too busy running and guarding his cornhole to hang out with you

[Master Chibi]

sorry orka he's gonna be too busy running and guarding his cornhole to hang out with you

well played lex luthor

well played

[orka]

ugh, this rape thing is getting old... and gayer.

i need to cleanse your minds somehow. i should tell you guys my awesome idea for heart x saki and mildred x fiona doujinshi.

[Hyperhal]

ugh, this rape thing is getting old... and gayer.

i need to cleanse your minds somehow. i should tell you guys my awesome idea for heart x saki and mildred x fiona doujinshi.

Each one has a gay person raping a somewhat straight person :confused:

How about a Spike vs. AH cast doujin?

[CrimsonDisaster]

who is Spike I only know Mike

[someAzNdude]

I'll be your friend Orka, we can talk about dem miko bubz :)

[Hyperhal]

who is Spike I only know Mike

Thats Michaelangelo to you buddy

[purifyweirdsoul]

I'm going to NEC tooooo yayyyyyyy

[Makoto Scrub]

I'll be your friend Orka, we can talk about dem miko bubz :)
Wait......

so we're not Maori OG's ken?

=0

[orka]

i'm og bubz enthusiast

[Master Chibi]

me too

Man Rob / Art aren't going to like what we've made of this thread thus far :rofl:

[orka]

no worries, holmes. rob and i are like anime and bubz. we very tight.

no homo.

[TitaniumBeast!]

don't worry i still play this game

i intend to rape master chibi in this as well

and we will have our rematch in melty blood

but first, your ass is mine

[purifyweirdsoul]

check it out blake is typing without caps so he can be cool like orka and master chibi

[someAzNdude]

Can we plz stop with the homo talk...? :(

@MS: You don't even play enough to be considered OG... :(

[Master Chibi]

oddly enough I just noticed that

odder still is that I only do it when talking to orka

hey thats great

[Makoto Scrub]

@MS: You don't even play enough to be considered OG... :(
I dont play much now, but back when AH first came out and then the update, I was around for a while.

Then classes owned me.... D:

[Sabin]

me too

Man Rob / Art aren't going to like what we've made of this thread thus far :rofl:

thats why i havent been posting, i mainly stick to gameplay talk for this game:sad:
Maybe I'm not with the times, out of the loop, too old, too focused on mashing heads in, etc.

and you know when Kaneda gets back, hes gonna say "stop spamming my shit" or something like that...

damn yall must be bored. step it up. :sad:

[Master Chibi]

I'm older then you Art

no excuses

who would win in this match up:

you vs justin vs saotome vs rob

[TitaniumBeast!]

man i dunno what you're talking about art

this is important arcana business, this punk didn't make my avatar, therefore i cannot properly express my arcana-related hate

therefore i will rape-rape him, end of story

Actually, I had a question for you Art. Of the Saki players you saw in Japan, what were the most commonly-used Arcanas? I like using Bhanri, but I also like how the Arcana system can add flexibility to each character. Unfortunately, my own experiments haven't yielded much, so I was wondering if you could give me some expert input.

[orka]

you can be like WHITE and bust out plant in sbo semi-finals... and lose

[TitaniumBeast!]

lol waitaminute that was white? For some reason I thought he played Water Konoha. Maybe I have him mixed up with one of the other random HnK players who switched to this shit.

[Shinto]

thats why i havent been posting, i mainly stick to gameplay talk for this game:sad:
Maybe I'm not with the times, out of the loop, too old, too focused on mashing heads in, etc.


Your out of the loop! hah!:arazz:

[orka]

lol waitaminute that was white? For some reason I thought he played Water Konoha. Maybe I have him mixed up with one of the other random HnK players who switched to this shit.

WHITE is a saki player, i forgot the name of the konoha player that used to play hnk

[Sabin]

man i dunno what you're talking about art

this is important arcana business, this punk didn't make my avatar, therefore i cannot properly express my arcana-related hate

therefore i will rape-rape him, end of story

Actually, I had a question for you Art. Of the Saki players you saw in Japan, what were the most commonly-used Arcanas? I like using Bhanri, but I also like how the Arcana system can add flexibility to each character. Unfortunately, my own experiments haven't yielded much, so I was wondering if you could give me some expert input.

Lightning was unquestionably the #1 arcana used for saki, without a doubt. She doesn't have a great clash game (which can be used for braindead antiair) like Heart does, so she has to make use of the arcana system to make up for her deficiencies... (difficult to antiair without GC into flashkick/no braindead clash moves.)

Of course, mastering Bhanri requires good movement and good reflexes - getting used to outright DASHING into stuff just so you can antiair them, and doing 623+D on reaction to clashes. Not impossible, but to do it everytime requires some conditioning.

Oh, and youre probably having trouble mastering use of other arcanas because well, you're trying to cram what takes a few months of getting comfortable with the engine into one month XD. as you probably know by now, the game system is simple enough for vets but it has a lot of nuances that makes stuff difficilt...so give it time

Of course I don't play Saki at all, so this is just from what I see. It's hard to give advice about characters you dont play, which is why you don't see me/rob/Kaneda giving out tips for EVERY question, cause sometimes we just dont know the answer.

[Hyperhal]

Like if you ask a question regarding Yoriko, you get crickets

[Nastrodamus]

WHAT THE HELL HAPPENS to this thread? good lord...

to those that don't think fiona has rushdown game.. .the reason im winning against a lot of folks is becasue of that rushdown... if you really look at it.. she does have some mean ass mixup games.... she combo string her 2a into her 6b... her 6b into her 236a ( which can be canceled into safe supers like water 214214D, or seed super and the like.. or use even more mixup by doing rock stomp super..abeit risky but just adds that little bit of mixup)

with 5C... the cancel is mad late but you cancel out of 5C into a special or super....like someone is in the air the block your 5C then decide hey GC!!!...im thinking well...EXCALIBUR SUPER THAT HOE... i think this works...

[Master Chibi]

Fiona does not have a rushdown game Nas, you just listed like the entireity of her mix ups. You're better off fishing for counter hits really, but playing Fire arcana pretty much nets you free damage once you get shit into the corner anyway.

Which is why I play Wind anyway, fuck rushdown.

[Nastrodamus]

Fiona does not have a rushdown game Nas, you just listed like the entireity of her mix ups. You're better off fishing for counter hits really, but playing Fire arcana pretty much nets you free damage once you get shit into the corner anyway.

Which is why I play Wind anyway, fuck rushdown.


exactly sir!! fire fiona!!! BITCH... and yes i did but unlike most things i've seenn this game... you really have to fucking do some dumb shit to make shit overhead (saki flashkick HC into air flashkick super).....

dog it is a must against kamui.... the way i see it it's like yea let her be in that space and then it's like ugh.... trying to beat it... so pretty much getting these cats in the corner.. and do your thing.... and fishing for ch? what move specificallly.. cuse the most times i've seen to net myself chs are the move that really don't let me captialize the most... (btw J2c and 5C have been the most) ... at times that's dumb cuse then you have to figure out if the lay there/ tech... both go into your favor... meh theroy fighter sucks... but it's like fiona has way easier mixup game to her aresnal than most of the cast...but meh

and note: the times that one is because i did enough rushdown to suffice some nice ass damage...

SEIBAH WOULD BE PROUD AND EVERY OTHER FEMME KNIGHT OUT THERE

[TitaniumBeast!]

Thanks for your input Art. We will definitely have to get down in this shit at NEC if you're going. Money match?

I wanna play Time Kamui as well but I dunno where to start with her.

[woof]

fionas like really badly designed, theres so much shit that doesnt make any sense and shes really fucking bare with a lot of shit that everyone else has

its frustrating
you really have to fucking do some dumb shit to make shit overhead (saki flashkick HC into air flashkick super).....
that can be blocked on reaction due to superfreeze

[TitaniumBeast!]

This is correct, the only people who get hit by air super overhead are people who don't know they have to block it high.

[Makoto Scrub]

Match highlights:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IpK9EJpu9NY <-- Fire Fiona arpe
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HY525IPjhJw <-- Yooorikoooooo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZ_RlX1E7NU <-- More Fiona arpe
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1aJD80MUGo <--- LOL @ last round

[orka]

i actually kind of think fiona deserves to suck since she's scrubby as hell (i.e. slash order-sol). i'm not hating on her. she's my current secondary and i seriously feel this way.

yoriko on the other hand... well... tough luck to her

[TitaniumBeast!]

Just cuz a character is simple doesn't mean they have to suck. If you look at Sol throughout the GG series, the only games he's been top tier are in XX (arguable) and Slash. Simple and effective without being broken is quite achievable and something I actually prefer in comparison to stuff like Eddie or Yun (difficult to learn but borderline unstoppable once you do).

[Master Chibi]

That poison Kamui was comboing off of fucking everything, damn.

fionas like really badly designed, theres so much shit that doesnt make any sense and shes really fucking bare with a lot of shit that everyone else has

Word UP my NIGGA

its frustrating

aint that the truth

And yeah, simplicity in fighting games either means youre damn good (K CAMMY) or you're sucking algae.

yaup

[Sabin]

Thanks for your input Art. We will definitely have to get down in this shit at NEC if you're going. Money match?

I wanna play Time Kamui as well but I dunno where to start with her.

Yeah, I'll be at nec and sure I'm down for a money match. Just let me know.

Oh, and about the saki instant overhead stuff....she can still hit u off early 5a in the air, it instant overheads into flashkick super. of course u can block the super flash kick on reaction, but not her early 5a when she's staying on that ass, its hard to block sometimes.

About the Yoriko stuff, Hal, you don't utilize the fact that Yoriko's GC is airborne thus all low attacks WHIFF outright....its a little thing yeah, but knowing small ithings like that wins u matches.

about the fiona stuff, sure she sucks, but yeah, that just requires you to know the system more, since she still has the bs. gotta master max punishment off her fire/time/rock/gier arcanas (imo, i think those are the 4 best for her, but she can use lightning and a few others as well.

i can see where ppls frustration is coming from, but from what i see in ppls matches, ppl are laching game engine knowledge. i dont think american ah is at the point where tiers are going to start to come into play hardbody yet...give it a few months.

edit: 2 months of me playing AH in japan is probably the equivalent of playing arcana in america for at least 6 months, i feel...purely cause of the comp/matchup issue, so take that as you will. As with any game, you can't step up unless your comp forces u to step it up by getting out of your shit...so yeah. The main thing I learned in Japan was how to make my traps even more airtight/how to get out of stuff in creative ways/matchup exp..

Of course, doesnt mean you should get discouraged, as I wasn't when I went to SBO, but yeah, its a lot of work..

[Master Chibi]

i actually kind of think fiona deserves to suck since she's scrubby as hell

Everyone in this damn game is scrubby as hell. This entire game is centered around scrubby ass bullshit. So you either tolerate it and have fun, or you don't. Or you can be like me, complain about it, but still end up playing it and getting better anyway.

Go go Wind Fiona.

[Sabin]

Blake, heres the time kamui stuff that should give you a good start -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eCInGnCJdfc

even tho he messes up like everyone does and loses the match, his combos are really impressive to take it to that level. especially the 5a/2a madness while theyre stuck in time...hahaha.

for someone that looks so "braindead" the kamui user displayed a lot of skill in that match.

and for hal - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dCx_2l54n5E

This is the best Yoriko I've seen in vids or not. Theres a small flood of Yoriko vids under this guys name too.

[Master Chibi]

oh my god that guy makes time kamui loook so fuckin sexy

[woof]

This is the best Yoriko I've seen in vids or not. Theres a small flood of Yoriko vids under this guys name too.
wow that dudes a pro at mashin grab super

[Nastrodamus]

sorry if you get hit by 5C too much it's either... you suck... or that fiona player knows when you gonna come in stupidly...

and well sorry if i don't see that enough saki overhead super in match.... so ill be better prepare...


you can fucking complain about flaws and what not... im going to improve and not complain about shit!!!

Beast!!! im coming to see ya at NEC bring the goods sir!!!!

[Master Chibi]

Things I would change to Fiona:

You can combo from 5C.
Jump Cancelable j.2C.
Make everything she's got just a tiny bit faster.
And give her a damn shoryuken. Everyone should have one forever.

Oh and make her 20 years old and stupid hot.

And evil.

[Makoto Scrub]

Wishlist
All of that will happen in AH3: The College Years.

In other news, who's going to be at CF tomorrow?

:M

[woof]

And give her a damn shoryuken. Everyone should have one forever.
i hope noone decides to put you in charge of designing fighting games

[Master Chibi]

In other news, who's going to be at CF tomorrow?

:M

I will most likely, Michael.

:annoy:

i hope noone decides to put you in charge of designing fighting games

i hope noone decides to put you in charge of dinosaur exhibts at local museums

[Makoto Scrub]

I will most likely, Michael.

:annoy:
That sure as hell sounds like maybe, MICHAEL.

[Master Chibi]

That sure as hell sounds like maybe, MICHAEL.

It's still tentative Mĩĝuěl.

[Makoto Scrub]

It's still tentative Mĩĝuěl.
Well you'd better show up anyway, Michele

[TitaniumBeast!]

oh my god that guy makes time kamui loook so fuckin sexy

SHIIIIIT

Arturo just handed me the motherlode, thank you sir.

Nas, I will definitely see you at NEC!

btw still gonna rape chibi raperaperape

[Hyperhal]

Yoriko's DP needs a bigger hitbox

[CrimsonDisaster]

dude that Time Kamui's constant 6C barrage was awesome.

[Master Chibi]

Is there frame advantage on that, or was that Heart just playing extra safe?

[woof]

ok just came up with the greatest idea


drinking game for arcana, fiona players only
actually it shoudl be me vs chibi

every time you miss clean hit you drink


im gonna be so sober B7)

[Master Chibi]

no..

[Mizuki]

DOREN ADMITS HE SUCKS! LOOK AT MY SIG!

On another note, NorCal sucks at Arcana.

[tianyuan]

:crybaby::crybaby::crybaby:

Arturo, please go to CF destroy Ken's Maori for me!!! :bluu: That bleeping bitch kept doing 70+ hit combo on my Kamui! And Ken kept complaining why he can't do bleeping above 100 hits combo!!! :xeye: Xaq didn't even bother to play Arcana anymore because of that!!! :arazz: How come I am the only victim there?!?! Bleep Maori's stupid long combos! Bleep KEN!!! I HATE YOU!!! I HATE CHEATERS!!! I HATE ARCANA!!!

(Good job, Ken... I couldn't beat you because I sux... I am neither going watch any vids nor practicing on anything as usual, but I am going to beat you someday:razz:)

[XAQshinor]

who wants to hang with me at nec? o:

be a pal

ill be your bub buddy :3
:crybaby::crybaby::crybaby:

Arturo, please go to CF destroy Ken's Maori for me!!! :bluu: That bleeping bitch kept doing 70+ hit combo on my Kamui! And Ken kept complaining why he can't do bleeping above 100 hits combo!!! :xeye: Xaq didn't even bother to play Arcana anymore because of that!!! :arazz: How come I am the only victim there?!?! Bleep Maori's stupid long combos! Bleep KEN!!! I HATE YOU!!! I HATE CHEATERS!!! I HATE ARCANA!!!

(Good job, Ken... I couldn't beat you because I sux... I am neither going watch any vids nor practicing on anything as usual, but I am going to beat you someday:razz:)
nah thats not rly why i didnt play. i just didnt feel like playing arcana
yesterday, it was all about that GG :D. i wanted to play marn some more
though. oh wellz.

[someAzNdude]

:crybaby::crybaby::crybaby:

Arturo, please go to CF destroy Ken's Maori for me!!! :bluu: That bleeping bitch kept doing 70+ hit combo on my Kamui! And Ken kept complaining why he can't do bleeping above 100 hits combo!!! :xeye: Xaq didn't even bother to play Arcana anymore because of that!!! :arazz: How come I am the only victim there?!?! Bleep Maori's stupid long combos! Bleep KEN!!! I HATE YOU!!! I HATE CHEATERS!!! I HATE ARCANA!!!

(Good job, Ken... I couldn't beat you because I sux... I am neither going watch any vids nor practicing on anything as usual, but I am going to beat you someday:razz:)

:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:
I <3 you too tian :3

After you left I was hitting the whole loop with 100+ hits and Xaq was the witness to that and that was with Lightning :/ a little while later I showed Derrick the whole poison loop which I fucked up right at the end but the combo already did like 90% to Fiona :looney:

[Hyperhal]

Marn is in town?

For anybody that actually cares, we got Melty in a big cab with jap sticks, arcana is next.

EVERYBODY COME OUT ON MONDAY PLEASESESESE

[Shinto]

No.

CF has GG? what sticks?

[Alzarath]

No.

CF has GG? what sticks?

Yeah.. I think Sanwa sticks.

[XAQshinor]

Marn is in town?

For anybody that actually cares, we got Melty in a big cab with jap sticks, arcana is next.

EVERYBODY COME OUT ON MONDAY PLEASESESESE

ill let u kno by tomorrow, i rly do wanna come though.

[Saotome Kaneda]

Looking at the last 150 or so posts makes me want to delete this thread. =(

[kenmastersX]

Yeah.. I think Sanwa sticks.

Hey, could you tell me if the gates are octagon or square in the GG cabinet? Or anyone in New York for that matter?

[XAQshinor]

they are square.

[tianyuan]

I <3 you too tian :3



Good, since we love each other let's get married then:blush: Municipal building is just a couple blocks away:cybot: We can name our future child Arcanian:pleased:

Serious though, any regular AH player in CF besides you, art(?), andre, and derrick? Any new players?

[BlackShinobi]

This is why everyone keeps asking the same questions over and over, because you have to go through 3 pages about bubz between each posted combo or strat and people are like fuck it I'll just post the question instead of looking for the answer.

Anyway how much damage does a 100 hit Maori combo take?

[Hyperhal]

Sorta why guardcrush exists. know what I mean?

[someAzNdude]

This is why everyone keeps asking the same questions over and over, because you have to go through 3 pages about bubz between each posted combo or strat and people are like fuck it I'll just post the question instead of looking for the answer.

Anyway how much damage does a 100 hit Maori combo take?

it depends, like around 50-60%

[Tiggy]

Looking at the last 150 or so posts makes me want to delete this thread. =(

Sorry Saotome...but at the very least I try to keep my posts directed toward some aspect of learning the game. Generally speaking though, it's good to chat with people who are very knowledgable, play, and simply love the game.

This is why everyone keeps asking the same questions over and over, because you have to go through 3 pages about bubz between each posted combo or strat and people are like fuck it I'll just post the question instead of looking for the answer.

Fortunately for me I don't have many questions right now!:rofl:

[darksoul173]

Kamui time combos you got them i want them har har... plz oh and how does saki works with time?

[Tiggy]

Kamui time combos you got them i want them har har... plz oh and how does saki works with time?

http://youtube.com/watch?v=9dd7n44ewgg

I'm actually a little embarrassed for posting this link. The combo is at the end of the video.....the setup for the Saki time combo is ridiculous, and very impractical in a match. There is a basic link up from the 236 A+B Super into the Time Arcana Super however (don't know the command, cause I don't use the Time Arcana). It is very advanced (I don't understand the requirements myself), but you could just use a basic link-up super or 6C and air combo....... or something. The Time Arcana is very technical, and takes a lot of practice and conditioning to get used to.

On the other hand, you could try the Bhanri (lightning) loop that's in the video too.....but that one's hard as well:amazed:

Here's another cool video I just found. Don't know if anyone else has seen it or not, but I just watched it for the first time:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VCJSVE_Xg04&NR=1

Mad technical stuff my brain can't comprehend:wow:

[darksoul173]

Ill watch the vids when ill get home thx
and im using lighting Saki as my main now but she is realy easy so i want to learn another char (thinking about time kamui) or atleast another arcana (time)

[Hyperhal]

http://forums.shoryuken.com/showpost.php?p=4491286&postcount=1176

[Angelic Diablo]

:wonder: Have the videos from SBII been released yet? :wonder:

[ryu-bi]

is there some good way to do 6d -> 5b with konoha, or just everybody?
most of the time 5d or 6b comes out and messes up the combo...

[woof]

go to neutral immediately after tappin forward?

[BlackShinobi]

I don't know what to make of that last vid. It shows there is still alot more for me to learn technically, but most of those combos only took like 8000 damage.

[Akuma4Real]

OMG.. I know quite a few of you have already seen Time Lilica, but damn I have to link it for everyone to see this continue. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T86JDUUYt8Q

The Heart player (Pincho??) is really good, but that Lilica is just wayyyy ahead of the game. It's soo crazy that the sound goes BEEEEEEEEEP after awhile cuz you know someone watching just cussed!

[Mr. Mamation]

yo zach!
this guys was mashing buttons with mei-fang against eli and gave us this great idea. Dont know if you do it or not but in a block string you can 214A or B and boost forward and upwards for an instant overhead. Can go strait into a combo if you would like so it isnt that bad. Went in training and after people get used to that you can mix it up with a throw and shit. Didnt know you where already in the air when doing 214A/B

[Mr. Mamation]

oh yeah
i'll see if i can come down to CF this weekend to play some gg

[gemdoom]

ggs to chibi lol. game is not that bad

[Master Chibi]

Someone tell me how the fuck I canceled an air move that knocks down into Wind Beam.

This game is so stupid.

:looney:

[CoosCoos]

I need some help finishing a Fire Konoha combo. This is what I'm doing in the corner.

2abc xx dp b, HC6, 5a 5b, iad. b, dj. c xx fireball, j. b xx fireball....

What can i end that with? I tried j. a xx a kunai, air combo, or something, but I don't really like that too much.

[Capps Indigo]

sb2 ahf (http://forums.shoryuken.com/showpost.php?p=4493123&postcount=210).. finals go up tomorrow~

[kenmastersX]

sb2 ahf (http://forums.shoryuken.com/showpost.php?p=4493123&postcount=210).. finals go up tomorrow~

I appreciate you uploading those. :)

[someAzNdude]

good shit capps :)

[NappyJin]

Holy fuck, that's a lot of Kamui. @_@

orka, if I make it to NEC, we'll hang out and shit. I can tell you about the wonders of flat chests and you'll have no choice but to listen. Because I'll hijack your brain.


Who else wants to hang out and shit? I'm normally bored and off in a corner in between matches at tourneys. I'll bring Guess Who if someone wants to play.

[Superking]

Sorta why guardcrush exists. know what I mean?

I like how you think.

:rofl: @ Akuma taking a dump.

[Shinto]

Kamui on da rise....

Tiggy....why....plant, especially on Lies :sad:

[orka]

nappy, now it all figures... your gf... a.b.a... pikachu

D: !!

[NappyJin]

Well, my gf has bubz. I love breasts, don't get me wrong. I dunno. Something about a flat chest. It doesn't make any sense to me, either. @_@


Let's all get milkshakes at NEC, guys. Or fries. With some kind of topping.

[Master Chibi]

In that match with Arturo vs J1N, around 3:08, Arturo comes in with iad j.c, and j1n wakes up with 623+AB, but he does it with his back facing to Art.

What the FUCK. God that doesnt' even begin to make sense. Fuck you Arcana Heart.

If that shit happened to me in a tournament match I would have gotten up and kicked the fucking screen and thrown my stick at you Art.

Damn.

[NappyJin]

LOL Chibi fucking despises this game, apparently?


Your hate has earned you a can of cheap soda from me if I make it out to NEC.


MOUNTAIN FROST.

[Master Chibi]

I don't hate it (maybe), but lately I've been coming across some REALLY stupid shit (bugs and otherwise) that really take away from me enjoying the game. The above example really has me scratching my head, I can't even begin to understand why that happened.

:looney:

XAQ, what's your combo against Konoha?

I'm doing 2abc,623b, 5ac, iadjc, dash 5ac, and then I try and do iadj.aj.c but the iadj.a never connects. What's going on?

GOLDEN BUBZ

[NappyJin]

Try spinning around until the bugs and whatnot all make sense. Then everything will be alright.


DOCTOR THUNDER.

[Master Chibi]

I'm probably going to play Arcana drunk at NEC, that would likely help me out a great deal.

SILVER BUTTOCKS

[TitaniumBeast!]

you have silver buttocks?

all the more fun to plow

[NappyJin]

I'm probably going to play Arcana drunk at NEC, that would likely help me out a great deal.

SILVER BUTTOCKS


Drink and then spin around until things make sense...


And then rape, apparently. @_@

[Mr. Mamation]

I don't hate it (maybe), but lately I've been coming across some REALLY stupid shit (bugs and otherwise) that really take away from me enjoying the game. The above example really has me scratching my head, I can't even begin to understand why that happened.

:looney:

XAQ, what's your combo against Konoha?

I'm doing 2abc,623b, 5ac, iadjc, dash 5ac, and then I try and do iadj.aj.c but the iadj.a never connects. What's going on?

GOLDEN BUBZ
its tighter against konoha. In the corner i'll just not dash forward after IAD jA>jC and it will keep her higher making it easier. At midscreed i dont dash forward either but i also have to end the combo early. It still does good damage though.

[BlackShinobi]

I need some help finishing a Fire Konoha combo. This is what I'm doing in the corner.

2abc xx dp b, HC6, 5a 5b, iad. b, dj. c xx fireball, j. b xx fireball....

What can i end that with? I tried j. a xx a kunai, air combo, or something, but I don't really like that too much.

Konha's fire loops are mostly based on height but after you get that you can pretty much do whatever you want. I've got a bunch of variations of that combo now.

1. using 5a and 5b after the HC6 is going to take them higher than just using 5b.
2. how long you wait to attack after you double jump affects you height too, it doesn't really matter what combo you use as long as you figure out how to get them low enough when you land to hit them again.
3. the last hit before you hit the ground shouldn't be a fireball or they will be able to recover before you can continue.

[Tiggy]

Kamui on da rise....

Tiggy....why....plant, especially on Lies :sad:


http://youtube.com/watch?v=ab0On95sOWs

This match vid is my inspiration for using Plant Lieselotte, mainly in the last round.

[CoosCoos]

Konha's fire loops are mostly based on height but after you get that you can pretty much do whatever you want. I've got a bunch of variations of that combo now.

1. using 5a and 5b after the HC6 is going to take them higher than just using 5b.
2. how long you wait to attack after you double jump affects you height too, it doesn't really matter what combo you use as long as you figure out how to get them low enough when you land to hit them again.
3. the last hit before you hit the ground shouldn't be a fireball or they will be able to recover before you can continue.

That makes sense. I probably had them way too high. I usually use wind nowadays, and the b&b for wind is really high up and stuff.

I have like variations if they are like high in the air, and are at the corner, so that'll really help a bunch. Appreciate it.

[BlackShinobi]

That makes sense. I probably had them way too high. I usually use wind nowadays, and the b&b for wind is really high up and stuff.

I have like variations if they are like high in the air, and are at the corner, so that'll really help a bunch. Appreciate it.

Wind is fun, I'm still debating which is her strongest offesive arcana. I'll probably end up back on wind for a while after NEC.

[CrimsonDisaster]

In that match with Arturo vs J1N, around 3:08, Arturo comes in with iad j.c, and j1n wakes up with 623+AB, but he does it with his back facing to Art.

It looked like it had something to do with Gier popping up from behind Fiona.

[CoosCoos]

Wind is fun, I'm still debating which is her strongest offesive arcana. I'll probably end up back on wind for a while after NEC.

With fire, it's pretty easy mode damage and all I've found out. Easy 10-12k combos and stuff. You also get a wake up super that you can HC out of easily that leads to even bigger damage.

Wind though, I really like it because of how much more mobility you get. It makes her airdash games more buff because of the multiple air dashes and jumps.

And even though you need meter to do this, you can do a high damaging combo in wind as well that does I think about 65%. It's harder to use though, cause it seems to be hard to control all the air dashes and jumps. But the mobility is super great for her.

I use 4 arcanas(fire, water, wind, gier), depending on the matchup/playstyle of the opponent pretty much. I am going to start playing with love again though. I really like having fun with that arcana.

[CrimsonDisaster]

Lightning and water are really silly for Konoha in terms of making her even harder to hit.

[orka]

isn't water generally regarded the best for her?

water konoha mirror match is really irritating to watch, though :(

[Tiggy]

sb2 ahf (http://forums.shoryuken.com/showpost.php?p=4493123&postcount=210).. finals go up tomorrow~

Thanks for posting the match vids up! I have the match of me and J. Wong on my MySpace page, which is littered with Arcana Heart:bgrin:

Water Konoha...while I have not fought against one myself, she seems to be extremely annoying. She's already hard enough to fight against, being the fastest character in the game. The times you DO manage to hit her though, the water orbs take the hit.:lame: It's not the worst Character/Arcana combination to go against (Kamui: 5B>5C>Stone Fist/Anal Beads:crybaby:), but it still is a tough one to beat.

Who thinks I should ditch Moriomoto (statistically the worst Arcana) and start using another Arcana with Lieselotte? I might try Gier, but who knows? My Lilica is still working on Fruit Loops and Flash Step, so I'm not working on Arcana strats with her yet.

[tsukihimeblood]

Who thinks I should ditch Moriomoto (statistically the worst Arcana) and start using another Arcana with Lieselotte? I might try Gier, but who knows? My Lilica is still working on Fruit Loops and Flash Step, so I'm not working on Arcana strats with her yet.

i've been using dieu mort with lieselotte. but do whatever works for you. i think most people go with fire or gier. dieu mort is just loads of fun though

[orka]

one thing people always seem to forget about why plant is so bad is that aside from the shitty specials, you gain no meter for taking damage

[Tiggy]

one thing people always seem to forget about why plant is so bad is that aside from the shitty specials, you gain no meter for taking damage

.....................Word? Well then...I think I'll have to work three times as hard with Moriomoto then:bgrin: I know it's the worst Arcana to use, but I just have so much fun planting seeds and vine whipping people into (attempts at) Lise loops. You're supposed to be having fun when you play video games, right? Am I right? *Thinks back to EVO 2004* Nah, you're supposed to be all serious-faced and talking trash about how much people suck.

With that being said, I'll experiment with other Arcana in Arcade Mode and see where it goes from there.

But no meter when taking damage?!? Thanks a lot plant cells.

[woof]

one thing people always seem to forget about why plant is so bad is that aside from the shitty specials, you gain no meter for taking damage
dont get hit :wonder:

[Faight]

Any tips for Mei-Fang versus Kamui? I'm having trouble with the match.

[bisquit_man]

Does anyone have a 100% PS2 save file for this game?

With all of the art , endings and extra character?

Codebreaker or AR Max file types would be awesome.

I won't be an ass and post it on Gfaqs as my own like other jerks.

[Tiggy]

Any tips for Mei-Fang versus Kamui? I'm having trouble with the match.

I'm not an expert with Mei-Fang, but have practiced with her a little. The one thing Mei-Fang (and every other character) has to be weary about is Kamui's 5B> 5C, and 3B (when you're airbourne, as it's unblockable). Mei-Fang's 2A is good for rush-down start-up, but look out for counters and Kamui's 2B during pushback. You could try zoning with Arcana to pressure at a distance (i.e. Lang-Gong fireball, Bhanri lightning). In the air, j.C is your best bet. If you don't land a hit, the least you can hope for is a clash (maybe). Don't forget about j.C crossovers.

And this is one thing I CANNOT stress enough: Guard Cancel. Looking back on my match with J. Wong at SB II makes me realize this. Kamui's range and speed mix-ups leave you in positions where you can only block and have no hope of going offensive. If you have meter, Guard Cancel to avoid 6C unblockables and the like, and 4C to back away from pressure. It's also extremely helpful against Kamui's 3B, which is her main staple for air combo starters in high level gameplay.

I hope this helps a little. I very well may be wrong, as I'm still new to the game.

[D'Nyc3]

So yea can anyone give me some good defence tips using Kamui and/or Heart?

Seems like im having trouble being defensive in this game..

[CrimsonDisaster]

With Kamui-
umm jB, if they block it relatively low to the ground, do jC/2C, land, 3B unblockable. lawlz.
Seriously though, you have a sword. Zone them out. jB and 5B are both really good, 2B is pretty decent as well. While you're getting rushed down... block! Smart GCs are always good, practice what can be punished with either GC6 throw/2A or whatever, or what you can make whiff with GC4 and the appropriate punish (GC4 to air slash/super or ground string, depends!)
You have to counter every now and then. Just don't be stupid about it.

With Heart-
5A, 6B, and 5B are your best friends because of clash frames and general safety when thrown out. In ground-to-air clash situations, you can probably just keep hitting 5A lol. In pretty much any clash situation, you can just DP then homing into whatever. Clash-confirm-DP is kinda hard to get used to at first, but it's a big part of what makes Heart stand out.

[kenmastersX]

In that match with Arturo vs J1N, around 3:08, Arturo comes in with iad j.c, and j1n wakes up with 623+AB, but he does it with his back facing to Art.

What the FUCK. God that doesnt' even begin to make sense. Fuck you Arcana Heart.

If that shit happened to me in a tournament match I would have gotten up and kicked the fucking screen and thrown my stick at you Art.

Damn.

I dunno why you're stressing this man, this shit happens in random fighting games all the time.

You just like to complain all the time, and it's really annoying instead of living with it.

[Keits]

Orka, did our AC match at SB2 not get recorded? Everyone thought it was epic, and I was the only Kira player there :(

[Capps Indigo]

http://forums.shoryuken.com/showpost.php?p=4493123&postcount=210

ah finals (wf, lf, gf) are up. 3s finals also. enjoy!~


... ... too much kamui... bleh...

[Shinto]

Any tips for Mei-Fang versus Kamui? I'm having trouble with the match.

Plug out the Kamui player controller then proceed to smack the fuck outta them with your stick or pad....Having a Xbox Controller would give you a .0521 boost in dmg.


Soft Ban on Kamui!!!!!!!:razz:
Ponder on DAT!

And IM OUT!!!!!!!

[DS]

Plug out the Kamui player controller then proceed to smack the fuck outta them with your stick or pad....Having a Xbox Controller would give you a .0521 boost in dmg.


Soft Ban on Kamui!!!!!!!:razz:
Ponder on DAT!

And IM OUT!!!!!!!

You don't even play this game.

[Biolink]

So who's going to be on which teams?

Philly-
DemonHyo
?
?
?
?

NYC-
Sabin
Deathscythe
?
?
?

Man,this is going to be tiiiiiiiiiiight

[DS]

So who's going to be on which teams?

Philly-
DemonHyo
?
?
?
?

NYC-
Sabin
Deathscythe
?
?
?

Man,this is going to be tiiiiiiiiiiight

I'm not on the NY team. Honestly, there are better players. And to be honest, Philly hasn't mentioned ANYTHING about it ever since. At the end of the day, if they make it to Arturo, they lose anyway.

[woof]

how about team NY vs team not NY

[Shinto]

how about team NY vs team not NY

I say Team NY vs "Whoever wants to fill in the holes of" Team Philly.:bluu:

[Hyperhal]

Team Philly won't have enough money by the time NEC comes(at least I won't), but I guess it'd be like Brandon Nas Eric Justin and Dave?(am I forgetting someone?)

Anyways today was hype but in the wrong way. A lot of hype was focused on Melty Blood being ghetto rigged and on dat Marvel cab, we even had people from mbread come in to play. Barely anybody wanted to touch Arcana for the fact that the sticks are sooo bad after playing on jap sticks(going from melty to arcana is the worst transition ever). I proved my point that I could do pents consistently and that was really all I wanted to prove. Pents make winning so much easier, although I still need to work out what to do in pent mode. I can say that I was extremely satisfied with the way I played today, sad thing is that Ken was picking Kamui because Maori doesn't work on those sticks for the most part.

I'd say that the welcoming of Melty guarantees that Arcana'll get ghetto rigged, although I'm wondering if its worth it or not seeing as how AH2 comes out so soon and people have AH at home to play.

If anything, if we end up getting AH2(which I'm sure of), then its a definite yes that the machine is getting ghetto rigged.

Ken was on 3s most of the day, and Kayin got his GGAC matches in, all is well and Ken is on the bus back.

[CoosCoos]

isn't water generally regarded the best for her?

water konoha mirror match is really irritating to watch, though :(

Water is pretty much the best for her IMO.

Bubbles generally keep anyone from counter poking her, and leads to more annoyance stuff, which leads to more bubbles.

And it is a LOT easier to tick 360 than it is to tick flashkick.

[orka]

dont get hit :wonder:

then it wouldn't matter what arcana you pick cus you'd win every time anyway. D:<

Orka, did our AC match at SB2 not get recorded? Everyone thought it was epic, and I was the only Kira player there :(

uhhh... i seriously would rather not have any of my vids uploaded, but i'll allow andy to do it if that will make you happy.

i did not hit combos, but at least i asserted the supremacy of luscious, over-sized teenage breasts over preteen ironing board.

i'm a unsung hero. why nobody congratulated me after the match is beyond me.

seriously, where the fuck was the champagne and troupe of strippers? *shakes head*

EDIT: i would have totally hit on that girl behind the counter if her boobs were like 2 cups sizes bigger.

[Tiggy]

uhhh... i seriously would rather not have any of my vids uploaded, but i'll allow andy to do it if that will make you happy.

Uhh...did you see what Justin Wong did to me?

[Master Chibi]

Ok people have to realize KAMUI ISN'T TOP TIER anymore. How many Kamui's were at SB?

Damn. My Fiona is going to rape the lot of you sorry fucks at NEC.

[NappyJin]

Ok people have to realize KAMUI ISN'T TOP TIER anymore. How many Kamui's were at SB?

Damn. My Fiona is going to rape the lot of you sorry fucks at NEC.


Of course, now that you've said that, you're going to get perfected every time you lose a round at NEC.


=3

Or maybe not.

[Master Chibi]

We'll see. Right now there's only 1 Kamui I'm afraid of, and he'll be sitting pretty waiting for everyone else at the top.

[orka]

everybody wants to play kamui first because she's the hottest

and has 5b > 5c > super

[Shinto]

everybody wants to play kamui first because she's the hottest

and has 5b > 5c > super

BC Super is so sexy, makes me wanna learn dat.

[Luigi-Bo 87]

then it wouldn't matter what arcana you pick cus you'd win every time anyway. D:<



uhhh... i seriously would rather not have any of my vids uploaded, but i'll allow andy to do it if that will make you happy.

i did not hit combos, but at least i asserted the supremacy of luscious, over-sized teenage breasts over preteen ironing board.

i'm a unsung hero. why nobody congratulated me after the match is beyond me.

seriously, where the fuck was the champagne and troupe of strippers? *shakes head*

EDIT: i would have totally hit on that girl behind the counter if her boobs were like 2 cups sizes bigger.


:rofl: I was NOT ready for that shit.:rofl: I wanted to hit on like two girls behind dat counter myself. The one in the black shirt was FINE!!!!!

EDIT- Still waiting for Kamui to turn 18.

[CrimsonDisaster]

dude she's like 100

[Sabin]

stop jumping on the kamui bandwagon and play other chars :lol: tier whoring in this game doesnt work. good players can fight kamui.

Heart is the shit though :lovin:

thanks to capps for posting the vids

[NappyJin]

SO MUCH KAMUI.


Thank you for playing Heart in the finals, Sabin. That would have been unbearable to watch if it was Kamui mirror.


EXERCISE VARIETY!


gogogogogo


Anyone else wanna throw down for a buck at NEC?

[Master Chibi]

I finally got that fucking combo down with Mei-fang against Konoha.

Damn that little bitch. Had to add a 5B in the second part to keep her at the right level.

FUCK YOU KONOHA

[NappyJin]

I finally got that fucking combo down with Mei-fang against Konoha.

Damn that little bitch. Had to add a 5B in the second part to keep her at the right level.

FUCK YOU KONOHA

I challenge you to the Crag.

Let's do this.

[someAzNdude]

So yeah, I'm back from free play day in philly
Put people into dat poison loop and then the sticks got gay on me, so I went and played 3S and even House of the Dead 2 :/

[CoosCoos]

stop jumping on the kamui bandwagon and play other chars :lol: tier whoring in this game doesnt work. good players can fight kamui.

Heart is the shit though :lovin:

thanks to capps for posting the vids

Do you just use fire with Heart? Or do you use more than that?

I've never seen a Fire Heart user before, so it's got me intrigued.

Actually I use either Love, Lightning or Plant(yes plant) with her. I am thinking of using Earth, but I haven't gotten to try it out yet.

I am probably gonna put some work on the Konoha wiki in terms of combos eventually.

http://www.youtube.com/user/desperete0083

This link will take you to some creative ways to combo into Plant and Love Arcanas. Enjoy, and there are some pretty damaging combos as well.

[CrimsonDisaster]

stop jumping on the kamui bandwagon and play other chars :lol:

There's not exactly many other options :bluu:

[F.Y.C.N.]

is there like a tier list for the Arcanas? or is it a character specific thing?

[Faight]

Kamui is a dirty whore and any one who plays her will automatically get the AIDS.

[Renegade]

So after playing Arcana with Faight for about a week straight... I like this game.

Positives:

Arcana system: super neat and innovative
Homing Cancel (defensive): Makes almost every move useful and usable
Arcana Burst: tones down the combo fest

I do have a couple of problems with it, though.

-It's just too combo heavy. Like, literally 50% of any fight is one player comboing another for over 10 seconds, effectively removing them from the fight. This shit is getting old.

-Serious lack of ranged characters. Kamui's the only decent character with a good range... hence why everyone's using her. Kira doesn't really qualify since she wants to grab you, and Fiona's just too damn slow. I guess Maori sorta counts... but not really. That's just stall tactics.

-Free Arcana bursts every round. I know it uses up all of your meter, but if you don't have much meter and you're about to lose the round... GET OUT OF JAIL FREE! No drawbacks to using arcana there at all. Which is stupid imo, and needlessly prolongs a fight. The arcana burst is a good thing, don't get me wrong... but it should be tweaked just a tad... like maybe you need 1 or 2 meters to do it.

Anyway... I can see why the Kamui bandwagon is getting so big... She's like cable.. can shut you out, does great damage from huge effective ranges, and has a relatively weak up close defense against rushdown.

Cable DOMINATED early MvC2.

American players like easy, cheap, and effective. That's Kamui. She's like chun.

I just whore B all day, jumping standing, crouching, and when I hit, go into a combo, knockdown, gier mixup.

All. Day. Long.

WHOOOO!

[CoosCoos]

is there like a tier list for the Arcanas? or is it a character specific thing?

Nah. Some arcanas are better than others for different characters, but you can play any of em effectively on any character. Just be really creative, because this game allows for that.

As for the Kamui stuff, It's not like she can't be beaten or anything, however her options for damage are just that much better than anyone else's. And being able to outrange all the cast doesn't help.

It would be fun to see more characs though. Variety is too fun.

-Free Arcana bursts every round. I know it uses up all of your meter, but if you don't have much meter and you're about to lose the round... GET OUT OF JAIL FREE! No drawbacks to using arcana there at all. Which is stupid imo, and needlessly prolongs a fight. The arcana burst is a good thing, don't get me wrong... but it should be tweaked just a tad... like maybe you need 1 or 2 meters to do it.

That isn't the only reason to activate Arcana Force. It is the most obvious reason though, and now players will bait this type of activate and punish it. You can activate and extend a combo, for more damage. Because when you activate, your homing stocks are automatically replenished. So it can lead to more damage. Also, you can see people combo into Arcana supers. Best example is to look at a Rock Kira.

[orka]

arcana force isn't get-out-of-jail-for-free-card

much like how almost everybody in gg has anti-burst combos, almost every character in arcana heart has anti-arcana force combos

if you get baited, you will get hit by a combo again or get air thrown (which can lead to a longer combo for some characters)

EDIT: i say "almost" because i don't know if everybody does for sure... but most the chars. that i have practiced and looked up combos for (maori, kamui, yoriko) do. the only one that don't seem to have a sure way to bait arcana force is fiona.

[Kayin]

So yeah, I'm back from free play day in philly
Put people into dat poison loop and then the sticks got gay on me, so I went and played 3S and even House of the Dead 2 :/

I was like wtf when you pulled a 100+ hit combo on those sticks. :rofl:

[peskypurple]

If we do that 5 v 5 philly vs ny. I'm down. Granted I haven't played anyone from NY 'cept XAQ but I ain't worried. I'm quite sure Philly will hold our own by time NEC rolls around.

[Nastrodamus]

man thanks for that good bye ken... asshole....


yea... i think my fiona is just fine.... i just gotta work the extra kinks.... yes you got peeps in tha loop... but trying doing that same shit in tourney... ARE YOU READY? lol

and arcana burst is defenitely not a get out of jail free card.... doing on the ground is bad cuse if they bait that burst... it's like "come and destroy me!!!" doing in the air isn't the greatest then you just get airthrown..and the like... it's more like you want to pinpoint those bursts... during slow ass recovery moves... so that you can counter attack... and the like.... people do get fucked for doing bursts incorrectly

[Sabin]

Do you just use fire with Heart? Or do you use more than that?

I've never seen a Fire Heart user before, so it's got me intrigued.

Actually I use either Love, Lightning or Plant(yes plant) with her. I am thinking of using Earth, but I haven't gotten to try it out yet.

I am probably gonna put some work on the Konoha wiki in terms of combos eventually.




Yeah, the versions of hear i play are more generic versions of heart (fire and gier.) my combos are just staple combos nothing too fancy, which is why i pick those 2 arcanas (fire for damage, gier for setup into setup into setup.) im still not doing any of the real real advanced stuff though. Like there s a combo with Gier Heart that involves her dropping her aircombo early (to OTG with 2c) into gier super, run up 3c let go repea. Theres also a Fire combo with Kamui that involves launching off 3c in the corner, then you can leep them in the staple corner fireball loop for hella reps until they fall close to the floor, then you can go into the iad loop again. sorry i dont know the notations, as ive only seen it once (a japanese player i played against die it to me :lol:) but its similar to mei-fang extended fire loop in the corner off her charged 3c.

All those arcana choices you listed are good. Though Love (IMO) doesnt have anything that stands out too much. Rock has beast damage, just gotta change your combos. Plant has the unblockable setups going on, but its just ass in every other aspect, lol.

Renegade: Burst actually make the round go faster sometimes, seriously, since you can get fucked up worse.

Kamui the Chun-Li of Arcana? Not at all. her damage output is ass compared to the rest of the cast, unless you actually put in the time and practice to learn her more advanced combos, which are not easy at all (which is why i dont mind the combos that keep you in loops for 10+ seconds, they actually take a fair amount of skill to pull off). She gets rushed down. BC super does not equal chuns low mk super. cant even compare the two. third, shes not all that popular in japan anymore...the main people that are still playing her really really know her shit and are good enough to win tourneys..while the bandwagoners went somewhere else with the character. Not to say she's bad because she's still really good (imo, shes in the 2nd tier,) you just need to know wtf youre doing when you play her.

Also, Kira doesn't have to always grab you to do damage. Most of the reason why she gets her damage is that people are constantly in fear of her grabs that she opens up ppl free due to conditioning the opponent.

CrimsonDisaster: true...well i just thought people would be jumping on the heart bangwagon instead, shes a way better character on paper, with infinitely better clash game. better damage output too and her combos are pretty easy.

peskypurple: Yo, if Philly is really gonna do this thing, when are you guys gonna have your team ready? its less than a month before nec

[Shinto]

Yeah, the versions of hear i play are more generic versions of heart (fire and gier.) my combos are just staple combos nothing too fancy, which is why i pick those 2 arcanas (fire for damage, gier for setup into setup into setup.) im still not doing any of the real real advanced stuff though. Like there s a combo with Gier Heart that involves her dropping her aircombo early (to OTG with 2c) into gier super, run up 3c let go repea. Theres also a Fire combo with Kamui that involves launching off 3c in the corner, then you can leep them in the staple corner fireball loop for hella reps until they fall close to the floor, then you can go into the iad loop again. sorry i dont know the notations, as ive only seen it once (a japanese player i played against die it to me :lol:) but its similar to mei-fang extended fire loop in the corner off her charged 3c.


I felt hyped then unhyped at the end of this response.

[CrimsonDisaster]

The real question is why are so many people playing Saki when Heart is like the same character but better in every way ;(

That's not entirely true, I guess. Saki has a divekick?

[Nastrodamus]

Team Philly won't have enough money by the time NEC comes(at least I won't), but I guess it'd be like Brandon Nas Eric Justin and Dave?(am I forgetting someone?)

Anyways today was hype but in the wrong way. A lot of hype was focused on Melty Blood being ghetto rigged and on dat Marvel cab, we even had people from mbread come in to play. Barely anybody wanted to touch Arcana for the fact that the sticks are sooo bad after playing on jap sticks(going from melty to arcana is the worst transition ever). I proved my point that I could do pents consistently and that was really all I wanted to prove. Pents make winning so much easier, although I still need to work out what to do in pent mode. I can say that I was extremely satisfied with the way I played today, sad thing is that Ken was picking Kamui because Maori doesn't work on those sticks for the most part.

I'd say that the welcoming of Melty guarantees that Arcana'll get ghetto rigged, although I'm wondering if its worth it or not seeing as how AH2 comes out so soon and people have AH at home to play.

If anything, if we end up getting AH2(which I'm sure of), then its a definite yes that the machine is getting ghetto rigged.

Ken was on 3s most of the day, and Kayin got his GGAC matches in, all is well and Ken is on the bus back.

umm.... why not ghetto rigged AH.. and then when AH2 comes out buy the kit... simple right?

also..... if the teams were to go (if hal dosen't have money) then it would the team he mention... if you guys were smart a looked through pages (instead a spam every fucking time) then i could've told you the teams for philly and what i think the team for NYC would be... and good job DS.. way to underestimate.... i like arturo... but this "ARTURO IS GOD" is making me annoyed sometimes.... but in the end will be having dinners and eating.... so maybe i shouldn't stress it too much... i kinda figure that would happen after art got back from japan...which is fine... to many people sleeping


on that saki question... she's way more easy street... imo has better mixups than heart...(not saying heart has none cuse she does)... saki has easier mixups.. and look at this: were in america so most americans go the easiest shit possible: i.e. kamui, saki, shit even fiona... (5C is like god easy for people to do, easy combos and all that.. and i play her lol)

[orka]

The real question is why are so many people playing Saki when Heart is like the same character but better in every way ;(

That's not entirely true, I guess. Saki has a divekick?

heart does have a dive kick

people should yell "inazuma kick" whenever they do that with lightning arcana

*gunbuster reference*

also... saki's sprite randomly turns ugly at times, like during her win poses

[Shinto]

The real question is why are so many people playing Saki when Heart is like the same character but better in every way ;(

That's not entirely true, I guess. Saki has a divekick?

Cause she has blue hair, who wants to play with a red hair chick that has a ribbon on her arms? Come on now.

[TitaniumBeast!]

i play saki cuz i like to kick things

also because she has such sexy legs

[Sabin]

I felt hyped then unhyped at the end of this response.

Do you even play AH anymore? :sad:

umm.... why not ghetto rigged AH.. and then when AH2 comes out buy the kit... simple right?

also..... if the teams were to go (if hal dosen't have money) then it would the team he mention... if you guys were smart a looked through pages (instead a spam every fucking time) then i could've told you the teams for philly and what i think the team for NYC would be... and good job DS.. way to underestimate.... i like arturo... but this "ARTURO IS GOD" is making me annoyed sometimes.... but in the end will be having dinners and eating.... so maybe i shouldn't stress it too much... i kinda figure that would happen after art got back from japan...which is fine... to many people sleeping


im not god, i know where i stand, ive just had more actual in game time vs beasts than any other foreigner, save for one or two people, and besides, i got fucked up in japan quite a bit, so i know where i stand on the totem pole...so i know that i can lose just like anyone else if dudes step it up enough...but on the flip side...ppl thinking im god will make ppl wanna play to beat me...which will be good for everyone...well hopefully thats the plan...haha.

What's Rob been up to these days hes been mad quiet...probably practicing those time loops like mad at home haha...i wanna hop on time kamui, but i dont have a working console to practice on right now, and that stuff might be too technical for me...but the better you get in this game, the less impossible combos seem to be

[fLoE]

D but i dont have a working console to practice on right now, and that stuff might be too technical for me...

honestly im suprised u can even handle 4 buttons =P

[CoosCoos]

Yeah, the versions of hear i play are more generic versions of heart (fire and gier.) my combos are just staple combos nothing too fancy, which is why i pick those 2 arcanas (fire for damage, gier for setup into setup into setup.) im still not doing any of the real real advanced stuff though. Like there s a combo with Gier Heart that involves her dropping her aircombo early (to OTG with 2c) into gier super, run up 3c let go repea. Theres also a Fire combo with Kamui that involves launching off 3c in the corner, then you can leep them in the staple corner fireball loop for hella reps until they fall close to the floor, then you can go into the iad loop again. sorry i dont know the notations, as ive only seen it once (a japanese player i played against die it to me :lol:) but its similar to mei-fang extended fire loop in the corner off her charged 3c.

All those arcana choices you listed are good. Though Love (IMO) doesnt have anything that stands out too much. Rock has beast damage, just gotta change your combos. Plant has the unblockable setups going on, but its just ass in every other aspect, lol.

Renegade: Burst actually make the round go faster sometimes, seriously, since you can get fucked up worse.

Kamui the Chun-Li of Arcana? Not at all. her damage output is ass compared to the rest of the cast, unless you actually put in the time and practice to learn her more advanced combos, which are not easy at all (which is why i dont mind the combos that keep you in loops for 10+ seconds, they actually take a fair amount of skill to pull off). She gets rushed down. BC super does not equal chuns low mk super. cant even compare the two. third, shes not all that popular in japan anymore...the main people that are still playing her really really know her shit and are good enough to win tourneys..while the bandwagoners went somewhere else with the character. Not to say she's bad because she's still really good (imo, shes in the 2nd tier,) you just need to know wtf youre doing when you play her.

Also, Kira doesn't have to always grab you to do damage. Most of the reason why she gets her damage is that people are constantly in fear of her grabs that she opens up ppl free due to conditioning the opponent.

CrimsonDisaster: true...well i just thought people would be jumping on the heart bangwagon instead, shes a way better character on paper, with infinitely better clash game. better damage output too and her combos are pretty easy.

peskypurple: Yo, if Philly is really gonna do this thing, when are you guys gonna have your team ready? its less than a month before nec

That's really interesting stuff. I'm probably going to start using Love with my mains more to see if I can get more potential out of it. I know now from the link I posted earlier that you can combo the beams, and from a match vid you can combo the puffballs with Heart. I am going to see what I can come up with.

I need to start traveling though and play with you guys and stuff, I'd like to see how I'd fair against some of you.

[someAzNdude]

man thanks for that good bye ken... asshole....


yea... i think my fiona is just fine.... i just gotta work the extra kinks.... yes you got peeps in tha loop... but trying doing that same shit in tourney... ARE YOU READY? lol

and arcana burst is defenitely not a get out of jail free card.... doing on the ground is bad cuse if they bait that burst... it's like "come and destroy me!!!" doing in the air isn't the greatest then you just get airthrown..and the like... it's more like you want to pinpoint those bursts... during slow ass recovery moves... so that you can counter attack... and the like.... people do get fucked for doing bursts incorrectly

Oh shit, I didn't say good bye to you Nas? I'm seriously sorry dude D: I thought I did but I guess I didn't. My sincere apologies :(
If it wasn't for you I wouldn't have went and again I'm sorry about that.

[Hyperhal]

Judging by how good I got with one hour of training mode to myself, I REALLY need dat ps2 + stick combo to even stand a chance at NEC. :(

Oh well, its all fun and games right? Everyone whos ever touched AH before on the EC should be down in Philly for NEC, or you're a lamer

I'm looking at you, Shinto :(

[Guardian]

I picked up and dropped Kamui in 3 days lol.

I'm dropping Saki because I don't have any fun using her.

I'm keeping fire mei-fang because I love combos.

That just leaves....Lieselotte. I'm having a hard time thinking that the doll is good for anything, because all it seems to do is get hit. Even if I have 421 orbs out right in front of my face, people still jump in/iad and hit it, and that same hit still puts me in blockstun. It's almost like the doll isn't even there.

When I try pressure, I summon the 421 and 214 orbs right on top of them, and after blocking one of the hits, they just throw out a poke and I'm CH if I try 2b, 5b, or an arcana special. AND the doll gets hit. I've found that using the 22 orb summon can setup unblockables, but no one ever bothers to block (if I can get a KD at all).

It's also a real bitch trying to pick the doll back up after it's been hit 3 times. If my hitbox isn't in the EXACT right spot, it doesn't go into the suitcase.

I hear all this talk of her being upper mid/top tier, but outside of SBO, every time I see a lies match she's getting her ass kicked. BY EVERYONE. I understand that she's a hard character to play and get used to, but my day one kamui could beat the people I play whereas my 3 week old lies could not. What's the damn deal?

[CrimsonDisaster]

heart does have a dive kick

people should yell "inazuma kick" whenever they do that with lightning arcana

I actually have contemplated doing that on occasion. Not enough anime nerds playing AH in Austin to understand it though (wtf how can you play AH and not be an anime nerd omg :looney: )

[HeartNana]

What's Rob been up to these days hes been mad quiet...probably practicing those time loops like mad at home haha...i wanna hop on time kamui, but i dont have a working console to practice on right now, and that stuff might be too technical for me...but the better you get in this game, the less impossible combos seem to be

Ive been busy...

Besides, you're the god. I can't beat a god.:pray: Im hoping to even place top 10 at NEC.

[XAQshinor]

hyperhal isnt just talk, he was doing jpn-speed pents last
time we played :x.

[Shinto]

Do you even play AH anymore? :sad:

God yall niggas is horrible :rofl:


I'm tryin to train a nigga ova here so maybe he can come with me to NEC...

Ive been busy...

Besides, you're the god. I can't beat a god.:pray: Im hoping to even place top 10 at NEC.

Oh Plz.

[Farpenoodle]

The real question is why are so many people playing Saki when Heart is like the same character but better in every way ;(

That's not entirely true, I guess. Saki has a divekick?

I've actually been saying this for a while. Even though I play her. :looney:

True she probably has better mixups, but Heart is simply way more solid. I play her mainly because my inputs suck. Lol.

Also everyone loves generic tsundere bitches.

[Kayin]

hyperhal isnt just talk, he was doing jpn-speed pents last
time we played :x.

At UP on monday I didn't see him drop a single pent.

[orka]

my pink sanwa buttons and pink sanwa balltop came in today... so i was gonna stick them in the arcana stick

but my worst fear turned out to be true: the arcana heart hrap has buttons soldered to the pcb

[Luigi-Bo 87]

Shitty.:sad: Sorry to hear that. Hopefully you can return them shits.

[orka]

hori gotta seriously stop doing that with some of their sticks

[Luigi-Bo 87]

Word. I was all hype to mod my t5 and then...... I got shit on.:wasted:

[ryokoalways]

heart does