The New Arcana HYPE Thread - Asians split pot at NEC, Sabin allows it by no showing

[nekohime]

Thanks for the info, I don't know many fighting game players in general but if I come across any 3s Yun players I'll try to get them to play AH.

Sadly no Kira players yet. You'll see names in the videos so I'll go ahead and use them here. I played Heart, Randy (doesn't have a handle so he's using his real name) played Lilica, Surllio played Maori and for one round played Mei Fang, Azure is the newcomer and hasn't picked a main yet so he tried out Heart, Fiona, and Konoha.

Edit: Videos are up. Enjoy!

Azure (Heart) vs Surllio (Maori) part 1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=45zGzPs5bog), we had to restart this one to fix Surllio's button mapping.
Azure (Heart) vs Surllio (Maori/Mei-Fang) part 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=evyph9eU0l0)
Randy (Lilica) vs Surllio (Maori) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QnpN9RUq-1M)
Me (Heart) vs Randy (Lilica) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gyK_i_kOcYA)
Me (Heart) vs Azure (Fiona) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2iT92YjB01k)
Me (Heart) vs Surllio (Maori) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kvEAJQlFYKI)
Azure (Konoha) vs Randy (Lilica) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1cNmrDydyCg)

This time the subtitles are a lot more visible and most of the black border is gone, I'm also considering getting a wind muff for the microphone. I still need to do some slight adjustments on the mixer volume settings and I'd honestly like to get a second microphone too.

[Tiggy]

Nice job on the vids. A few comments:

-Randy's Lilica is coming along A LOT faster than mine did. I wasn't even brave enough to pick Time Lilica until I was five months into learning the character. THEN it took another five months or so to learn Time Lilica...and I'm still learning her.

-Surllio's Maori is better than mine, that's for sure. I can't play her beyond keep-away game and basic 5A 5B > 6B > 5C > 623B.

-Nice job on snagging another one for the AH scene (*looks at Azure*)

-And for you nekohime, just hardbody dat stick execution in training mode like you have been. Once dashing mid-combo becomes more natural and committed to your muscle memory, it'll be so :lovin:

[NappyJin]

Boo. Time Lilica. =[


Tiggy, I'll be in town on like, Friday night, I think. I wanna get some practice in before the tourney.

[Twisted)Jago]

I have nobody here in Brooklyn to play in AHF man, no comp at all, anyone having a AHF get together for practice. i would play jwong but he's to lazy plus i need different comp cant be facing the same opponent over and over again.

[Bill307]

Doesn't New York have the highest concentration of Arcana players outside of Japan? I think you've got better comp than anyone outside of NY. :wink: Especially if you can convince Justin to play. :looney:

[Bill307]

Checking out some of the vids now...


Azure (Heart) vs Surllio (Maori) part 1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=45zGzPs5bog), we had to restart this one to fix Surllio's button mapping.
I can tell I'm gonna enjoy the commentary on these vids ^^.

"long-ass loading screen" - I suggest doing an HD mod on a PS2 and then putting AH on the HD. Then you can skip the loading screen about 3 seconds in. :lovin:


Azure (Heart) vs Surllio (Maori/Mei-Fang) part 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=evyph9eU0l0)
You guys should teach Azure:
1. Block.
2. 2ABC.
3. 2ABC 236A 236A+B.


Randy (Lilica) vs Surllio (Maori) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QnpN9RUq-1M)
As a start, Randy should learn:
2ABC > 236A+B (1 hit) > 1HC (after 1st hit) > heel drop loop

It's an easy way to go into the heel drop loop off of 2ABC when you're using Time/Earth. There's probably a better way, but I don't know it: ask Tiggy. :sweat:



Me (Heart) vs Randy (Lilica) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gyK_i_kOcYA)
Me (Heart) vs Azure (Fiona) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2iT92YjB01k)
Me (Heart) vs Surllio (Maori) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kvEAJQlFYKI)
Awww, I was hoping to see that long Heart combo you've been practicing. At least you've got the first IAD down 100%, it seems. :tup:

IMO, you should work on your okizeme (what you do on your opponent's wake-up). Being confusing with that j.214x attack is a good start. I'd also try to figure out crossups you can do with her j.2C after a knockdown, i.e. to learn the spacing and timing for it. And there's the sneaky whiff-air-attack-then-hit-low tactic as they're getting up.

In addition, you can try to do a meaty, unblockable 3[C] with Fire, but that'll probably make your friends quit if they can't wake-up super or 4D out of the way. <_<


Azure (Konoha) vs Randy (Lilica) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1cNmrDydyCg)
Seems like Azure was the first guy to block Lilica's cross-up with 6[C] and 6D, although I'm not sure if it was intentional ^^. He's also bursting at much better times.

... Hey, I didn't know you could "kill" the 6[C] clones by hitting them! :O

Nice 236A+B by Randy after the clash at the end of the video. My friend is starting to do that super on reaction to clashes and it beats almost everything, so Randy should definitely do it more often. :smile:

[CoosCoos]

Thanks for the info, I don't know many fighting game players in general but if I come across any 3s Yun players I'll try to get them to play AH.

Sadly no Kira players yet. You'll see names in the videos so I'll go ahead and use them here. I played Heart, Randy (doesn't have a handle so he's using his real name) played Lilica, Surllio played Maori and for one round played Mei Fang, Azure is the newcomer and hasn't picked a main yet so he tried out Heart, Fiona, and Konoha.

Edit: Videos are up. Enjoy!

Azure (Heart) vs Surllio (Maori) part 1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=45zGzPs5bog), we had to restart this one to fix Surllio's button mapping.
Azure (Heart) vs Surllio (Maori/Mei-Fang) part 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=evyph9eU0l0)
Randy (Lilica) vs Surllio (Maori) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QnpN9RUq-1M)
Me (Heart) vs Randy (Lilica) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gyK_i_kOcYA)
Me (Heart) vs Azure (Fiona) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2iT92YjB01k)
Me (Heart) vs Surllio (Maori) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kvEAJQlFYKI)
Azure (Konoha) vs Randy (Lilica) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1cNmrDydyCg)

This time the subtitles are a lot more visible and most of the black border is gone, I'm also considering getting a wind muff for the microphone. I still need to do some slight adjustments on the mixer volume settings and I'd honestly like to get a second microphone too.

Oh wow. I'm actually getting back into this game so I might have to hit you up with some friends whenever we get back on par so we can come up and play sometime.

Great vids as well.

[HeartNana]

As a start, Randy should learn:
2ABC > 236A+B (1 hit) > 1HC (after 1st hit) > heel drop loop

It's an easy way to go into the heel drop loop off of 2ABC when you're using Time/Earth. There's probably a better way, but I don't know it: ask Tiggy. :sweat:
I'm not tiggy, but hopefully I can help.

When playing Time Lilica, learning the timing of 5C into 236a~B 236C is essential. The 5C will hit most of the time except at max range when 2C will hit instead. 5C is much safer than 2C anyways. Yeah the mixup is nice after knockdown, but if you can get much more damage right off the bat into wakeups AFTER that combo, then you should go for that imo.

After you hit 5C 236a~B 236C, just 2D into 5B 236a~C 236B 236C 236B 236C, at this point you can end it however you want to, hc2 and do more heel kicks, or 236A j.B dj j.BC, etc.

I also think that learning time loop is essential, but no rush for that. Doing her general B&B without time loop is still important. The 5C 236a~B link isn't as hard as it seems. It's strange timing, but after doing it enough, your fingers should get used to it and you'll learn the timing.

And Konoha can just duck under Lilica's 6C or 6[C] clones. You have to do 3[C]'s against her.

But anyways, Bill is right that an easy way is indeed 2A 2B (2C) 236A+B 2D Heel kicks. I prefer not to use Meter and save it for time loops, haha.

[Tiggy]

Boo. Time Lilica. =[


Tiggy, I'll be in town on like, Friday night, I think. I wanna get some practice in before the tourney.

PM me your cellie. At some point during SB3 weekend, I want to record some matches at the hotel everyone is staying at, NEC8 style :bgrin:

... Hey, I didn't know you could "kill" the 6[C] clones by hitting them! :O

Yoriko can 2A through them Melty-style, and Mei-Fang can just dp and make it go away. I believe others can do it (I know Kamui can 2A as well). There is a mind game involved with the clones sadly.

I'm not tiggy, but hopefully I can help.

"hopefully I can help" my ass :rofl: Everything I know about Lilica I learned from you.

nekohime, make your friends get SRK accounts if they don't have one already and make them post here in the AH thread. We need more ppl to revive the hype!

[nekohime]

Nice job on the vids. A few comments:

-Randy's Lilica is coming along A LOT faster than mine did. I wasn't even brave enough to pick Time Lilica until I was five months into learning the character. THEN it took another five months or so to learn Time Lilica...and I'm still learning her.

-Surllio's Maori is better than mine, that's for sure. I can't play her beyond keep-away game and basic 5A 5B > 6B > 5C > 623B.

-Nice job on snagging another one for the AH scene (*looks at Azure*)

-And for you nekohime, just hardbody dat stick execution in training mode like you have been. Once dashing mid-combo becomes more natural and committed to your muscle memory, it'll be so :lovin:

Heh, I'm sure both Randy and Surllio would be surprised to hear that. Since we haven't had a chance yet to play people outside of our small group all we've really had to compare ourselves to are what we see in match vids. None of us really hold ourselves in very high regards so it's interesting you should say that. Azure still doesn't have a copy of AH to practice on yet but I'm hoping he'll take enough interest to be willing to learn to play seriously. As for me, I haven't actually played AH since saturday when those videos were made. I spent Sunday reading up on and practicing a few things with Hibiki in CvS2 since I was sucking so horribly in that after our AH matches Saturday night. Then yesterday another friend was over who wanted to play GG (even though the only version I have is vanilla GGXX for PS2). I couldn't play that worth a damn either. Apparently a nasty side effect of not playing any fighting games for a few years and then playing nothing but AH when I did get back into them was that I completely lost all ability to play anything else :rofl: So I'll be branching out a bit more now but don't worry, AH is still my primary love.

Checking out some of the vids now...


I can tell I'm gonna enjoy the commentary on these vids ^^.

"long-ass loading screen" - I suggest doing an HD mod on a PS2 and then putting AH on the HD. Then you can skip the loading screen about 3 seconds in. :lovin:

You guys should teach Azure:
1. Block.
2. 2ABC.
3. 2ABC 236A 236A+B.

As a start, Randy should learn:
2ABC > 236A+B (1 hit) > 1HC (after 1st hit) > heel drop loop

It's an easy way to go into the heel drop loop off of 2ABC when you're using Time/Earth. There's probably a better way, but I don't know it: ask Tiggy. :sweat:

Awww, I was hoping to see that long Heart combo you've been practicing. At least you've got the first IAD down 100%, it seems. :tup:

IMO, you should work on your okizeme (what you do on your opponent's wake-up). Being confusing with that j.214x attack is a good start. I'd also try to figure out crossups you can do with her j.2C after a knockdown, i.e. to learn the spacing and timing for it. And there's the sneaky whiff-air-attack-then-hit-low tactic as they're getting up.

In addition, you can try to do a meaty, unblockable 3[C] with Fire, but that'll probably make your friends quit if they can't wake-up super or 4D out of the way. <_<

Seems like Azure was the first guy to block Lilica's cross-up with 6[C] and 6D, although I'm not sure if it was intentional ^^. He's also bursting at much better times.

... Hey, I didn't know you could "kill" the 6[C] clones by hitting them! :O

Nice 236A+B by Randy after the clash at the end of the video. My friend is starting to do that super on reaction to clashes and it beats almost everything, so Randy should definitely do it more often. :smile:

We've had a lot of fun doing commentary on these. One unexpected benefit I've noticed is that it adds some comic relief and gives a more positive atmosphere to the room. This seems especially helpful for people who get frustrated by losing to help them calm down, have a good laugh, and start having fun again.

We'll do what we can to teach blocking but that's really something you just have to figure out through experience. I don't think he's decided yet who he wants to main but when he does I'll point him to the guardcrush wiki to look for some BnB's and general tactics to get him started.

I'm still working that long Heart combo so it might be a while before you see it. At 2:57 on my match against Surllio you can see all of the "battle ready" combo that I've managed to put together (2ABC, 236A, 6HC, IAD, j.A, j.C, land 3C, HC, j.ABC, Fire Super, jump cancel j.2C). It's not great but it will hold me over in matches until I have something better. Also I noticed that I had been messing up the ending a lot by doing j.ABC too fast. If you watch you'll see that a lot of times j.B gets skipped so j.C doesn't knock them up high enough and Fire Super whiffs.

Oki, meaties, and reversals (reversals are things like instantly doing a special on wakeup or wall techs and such, right?) are some of my major weak points right now. I finally learned to keep a spare homing meter for ground and wall teching which has greatly reduced the number of times I get hit by Randy's Time 6[C] on wakeup but I still have a hard time dealing with those when he manages to catch me without one. The fact that my primary offensive combo eats two homings really hurts in that sense so I know I need to work on getting rid of that 3C.

I'm pretty sure Azure's blocking the 6[C] 6D crossup was accidental but he wasn't the first to stop it. If you notice, every single time Randy knocks someone down he goes for that crossup. After a losing many many matches to those I finally figured out how to ground tech and not be there when he tries it. If I recall the one time he actually did hit me with 3[C] he jumped to try and catch me on my (failed) escape. Of course I went flying into the corner but by the time he realized what had happened he was in no position to follow up and I was able to start fighting again.

Oh wow. I'm actually getting back into this game so I might have to hit you up with some friends whenever we get back on par so we can come up and play sometime.

Great vids as well.

Thanks, win or lose I'm always looking for people to play with :bgrin: If you're in GA you should definitely go to Impact Clash II in Atlanta on 10/11. I'll be there and hopefully the others will come too so it would be a good chance to get some games in.

I'm not tiggy, but hopefully I can help.

When playing Time Lilica, learning the timing of 5C into 236a~B 236C is essential. The 5C will hit most of the time except at max range when 2C will hit instead. 5C is much safer than 2C anyways. Yeah the mixup is nice after knockdown, but if you can get much more damage right off the bat into wakeups AFTER that combo, then you should go for that imo.


After you hit 5C 236a~B 236C, just 2D into 5B 236a~C 236B 236C 236B 236C, at this point you can end it however you want to, hc2 and do more heel kicks, or 236A j.B dj j.BC, etc.

I also think that learning time loop is essential, but no rush for that. Doing her general B&B without time loop is still important. The 5C 236a~B link isn't as hard as it seems. It's strange timing, but after doing it enough, your fingers should get used to it and you'll learn the timing.

And Konoha can just duck under Lilica's 6C or 6[C] clones. You have to do 3[C]'s against her.

But anyways, Bill is right that an easy way is indeed 2A 2B (2C) 236A+B 2D Heel kicks. I prefer not to use Meter and save it for time loops, haha.

Thanks for the advice Rob, I'll definitely pass that along.

nekohime, make your friends get SRK accounts if they don't have one already and make them post here in the AH thread. We need more ppl to revive the hype!

I'll see what I can do about that.

[orka]

2 more weeks

Are you scared? Are you horny? Perhaps both?

God, I hope so

[Tiggy]

2 more weeks

Are you scared? Are you horny? Perhaps both?

God, I hope so

No homo...? :confused:
I'm actually feeling pretty confident for once in my life. Now let's hope that holds up when I get on the sticks.

Also, I heard from fugee that Justin Wong said that Sp00ky is bringing the AH2 board. We're just waiting for Sp00ky to post in the SB3 thread so fugee can confirm everything.

[orka]

If you're scared, it got the job done

[Bill307]

PM me your cellie. At some point during SB3 weekend, I want to record some matches at the hotel everyone is staying at, NEC8 style :bgrin:
Can I get details on this? Like which hotel, and are you guys all sharing a room or just using one room for casuals and then going your separate ways to sleep?

E.g. if I get a ride down with some guys from Canada, then I'd like to know whether I can come for the casuals and then go back to their hotel room (if the hotels are the same or close to each other), or whether I'd have to share a room with some of you guys.

I'm hoping to finalize my schedule for SB3 by next week. :smile:

[NappyJin]

I don't have a cell phone. Just PM me your cell number and I'll hit you up when I'm at the hotel.

I'll have to post up again when I know exactly what hotel I'm going to be staying at. @________@

[filbert]

does anyone know how to use mei-fang? i know how to do some simple basic combos but i want to start learning how to do some technical shit.

[nekohime]

Can I get details on this? Like which hotel, and are you guys all sharing a room or just using one room for casuals and then going your separate ways to sleep?

I'll probably be staying in a cheaper hotel and driving to and from SB3 so I would definitely have to go my separate way to sleep. I'd still be game for casuals in the nearby hotel rooms if that's what you guys are planning.



does anyone know how to use mei-fang? i know how to do some simple basic combos but i want to start learning how to do some technical shit.

I don't play Mei-Fang so I can't give any personal advise, but you should check her page on Guardcrush (http://www.guardcrush.net/wiki/index.php/Main_Page) if you haven't already.

[filbert]

I'll probably be staying in a cheaper hotel and driving to and from SB3 so I would definitely have to go my separate way to sleep. I'd still be game for casuals in the nearby hotel rooms if that's what you guys are planning.





I don't play Mei-Fang so I can't give any personal advise, but you should check her page on Guardcrush (http://www.guardcrush.net/wiki/index.php/Main_Page) if you haven't already.

thanks. i picked up some combos of that site.

[Tiggy]

Can I get details on this? Like which hotel, and are you guys all sharing a room or just using one room for casuals and then going your separate ways to sleep?

E.g. if I get a ride down with some guys from Canada, then I'd like to know whether I can come for the casuals and then go back to their hotel room (if the hotels are the same or close to each other), or whether I'd have to share a room with some of you guys.

I'm hoping to finalize my schedule for SB3 by next week. :smile:

I think the last godlike casual setting at NEC8 was in Chicago's hotel room....not to put everything on them, but it would be fitting to do it there again. Otherwise we'll have to do it or something similar at MoMo's, or just do random ass casuals like SBII last year. We can all go over details on like, Saturday during casuals or something. I know Sunday is a definite no-no, since people will need to start packing that night, some may be leaving that night.

[orka]

Bill is coming? Cool

Also uhm... when is AH1 tourney actually planned for?

[Tiggy]

The only Arcana game on the schedule at the moment is Arcana Heart 2. AH1 as of now is not a tourney, unless I decide to take the reins and conduct my own. If that happens, I'll do it Saturday. It's up to you guys whether or not we do an AH1 Saturday tourney. I'd just make it $5 a head.

And I want to meet Bill. He needs to show me why Canadian AH is so beasty when he's on da sticks.

[Master Chibi]

guys, i really dont think spooky is going to sb3

just so you know
:F

[HeartNana]

I think the last godlike casual setting at NEC8 was in Chicago's hotel room....not to put everything on them, but it would be fitting to do it there again. Otherwise we'll have to do it or something similar at MoMo's, or just do random ass casuals like SBII last year. We can all go over details on like, Saturday during casuals or something. I know Sunday is a definite no-no, since people will need to start packing that night, some may be leaving that night.
The thing about NEC was that it was strictly a 4 people hotel room. Me, Orka, Capps, and Part 2. Part 2 went off and played some 3S in another room, and that left 3 arcana players in one room, with nobody else there. If Chicago goes again, the chances of that happening (where its only 4 people, and the first priority game is arcana) is prolly a lot lower than it was for NEC.

Not to shatter your dreams, but I dunno if Capps/Yosh would even want to volunteer theirs/their roommates room, much less be forced to have it there like last time.

Truthfully, at NEC, I kinda said that I didn't want a ton of people in our room, but as we invite one or two, they invite 3-4, which in turn leads to a whole room full of people. It was fun, so im not complaining, but I don't like being in charge of "chaos", and neither Capps nor Orka seem like that type.

[Tiggy]

The thing about NEC was that it was strictly a 4 people hotel room. Me, Orka, Capps, and Part 2. Part 2 went off and played some 3S in another room, and that left 3 arcana players in one room, with nobody else there. If Chicago goes again, the chances of that happening (where its only 4 people, and the first priority game is arcana) is prolly a lot lower than it was for NEC.

Not to shatter your dreams, but I dunno if Capps/Yosh would even want to volunteer theirs/their roommates room, much less be forced to have it there like last time.

Truthfully, at NEC, I kinda said that I didn't want a ton of people in our room, but as we invite one or two, they invite 3-4, which in turn leads to a whole room full of people. It was fun, so im not complaining, but I don't like being in charge of "chaos", and neither Capps nor Orka seem like that type.

Thanks for the info man. I wasn't totally sure, but I figured the situation would be something like that. I'll figure out something as far as casuals go. I'm gonna kick people off the station when it's time for an MM :bgrin:

I already know that the chances of Sp00ky attending SB3 are nonexistant, but fugee insisted that we hear it from him. I already sent him a PM, and now I'm just waiting for a response.

[Capps Indigo]

tiggy, none of this 'if' arcana 1 happens. theres plenty of ppl that want to enter the tourney. i did take a look at the schedule and it looks like sat night will be the best time for the ah1 tourney, if ah2 is still run on sun. id say that we start ah1 on sat sometime after ~dinner. so signups 6:30-7:15ish, make brackets, tourney starts at 7:30. as for running it, dont worry, ill run it. i dont think the tourney will take too much more than 3-4 hours. entry fee is up to the thread i think. so everyone, post some input on that. also, post if you can bring an ah1 setup for the tourney. tiggy's said he has one, ill be bringing one as well. 2 more would make for an excellent tourney/casual situation sat night. XD and if ah2 isnt run, ah1 can still be sat night or take over the sunday slot (im not sure which is better at this point).

and as for casuals.. i'll talk w/ my roomies and we'll see what happens. like rob said, it almost/kind of turned into something else last time. i think ppl had the expectation that it was going to be an all-night-not-going-to-sleep sort of thing at nec. i definitely like to get some sleep before tourneys, so that was never going to happen. in any case, we'll see what happens and go w/ the flow. casuals, unlike tourneys, dont need to be scheduled.

[DS]

That was pretty fun. The commentary was too good. The problem is that all happened on pure chance.

All I know is, if woof goes again, he better bring his custom mix AH1.

[meta]

I personally don't really care much for the tourney, I just want to play people and hang out. Not that I don't want a tourney. I just want to a play a bunch of matches against people... and destroy someone named Tiggy.

[nekohime]

I can bring an AH1 setup and my recording equipment. I'll just need to get a more portable TV (probably a cheap or 19 inch or something) and my own dvd recorder (don't think my roommate will appreciate me taking his to Ohio) but I've been meaning to do that anyway so this is a good excuse.

[meta]

Oh man, with rob and art gone, I'm winning the tourney. I call it.

[NappyJin]

Oh man, with rob and art gone, I'm winning the tourney. I call it.

Sorry, you can't win. I'm going to stop you. =P

[meta]

Sorry, you can't win. I'm going to stop you. =P

Who are you? Oh right, you're the guy that I'm getting free money from when I beat you with Fiona in our moneymatch.

*ZING*

[Necrosis]

I'll be there.

I'll settle for "win a match in this tournament" and stuff.

[Tiggy]

tiggy, none of this 'if' arcana 1 happens. theres plenty of ppl that want to enter the tourney. i did take a look at the schedule and it looks like sat night will be the best time for the ah1 tourney, if ah2 is still run on sun. id say that we start ah1 on sat sometime after ~dinner. so signups 6:30-7:15ish, make brackets, tourney starts at 7:30. as for running it, dont worry, ill run it. i dont think the tourney will take too much more than 3-4 hours. entry fee is up to the thread i think. so everyone, post some input on that. also, post if you can bring an ah1 setup for the tourney. tiggy's said he has one, ill be bringing one as well. 2 more would make for an excellent tourney/casual situation sat night. XD and if ah2 isnt run, ah1 can still be sat night or take over the sunday slot (im not sure which is better at this point).

and as for casuals.. i'll talk w/ my roomies and we'll see what happens. like rob said, it almost/kind of turned into something else last time. i think ppl had the expectation that it was going to be an all-night-not-going-to-sleep sort of thing at nec. i definitely like to get some sleep before tourneys, so that was never going to happen. in any case, we'll see what happens and go w/ the flow. casuals, unlike tourneys, dont need to be scheduled.

I'm sorry Capps :sad: We will have an AH1 tourney on Saturday night then! I wouldn't worry about AH2's slot on Sunday. $5 is a good entry fee, considering the venue fee and any additional games anyone else might be entering. I'll run it by fugee just so he knows, but he won't say no (cause he's so cool). I'm bringing set-ups for two other games, and an extra TV. He's more than appreciative of my contribution. My only concern is getting my Wii and/or PS3 stolen or damaged.

About the casuals, don't worry about it man. MoMo's, now that I think about it, is a good a spot as any. The game needs more exposure so we can rag on ignorant gamers who refer to Arcana as 'that fucking loli fighter'. I'll definitely have my own set-up....lag-free this year, same TV, with my custom soundtrack that is tested and works perfectly.

That was pretty fun. The commentary was too good. The problem is that all happened on pure chance.

All I know is, if woof goes again, he better bring his custom mix AH1.

If woof somehow does show up and brings his custom soundtrack, that'll be two custom AH1 mixes :lovin:
I purposely left out the remaining stages on my videos, just so everyone would have something to look forward to SB3 weekend. *wink*

I personally don't really care much for the tourney, I just want to play people and hang out. Not that I don't want a tourney. I just want to a play a bunch of matches against people... and destroy someone named Tiggy.

...you do know that currently I'm statistically -- based on tourney results -- the worst player with experience, right?

Oh, whatever. BRING IT ON!!!!!!!!

I'll be there.

I'll settle for "win a match in this tournament" and stuff.

Ditto

[Sabin]

I think that either Justin or Andre will win it. 1-2 sweep. If not, I'll be pleasantly surprised (and impressed.)

The real challenge: Who will be abl eto beat Noel?!?!?! Noone outside NY has done this yet :sad:

[Master Chibi]

wish i could go just to crush you people in this game

i really want to too~

i love running away in this game sooooooo much

[HeartNana]

I think that either Justin or Andre will win it. 1-2 sweep. If not, I'll be pleasantly surprised (and impressed.)

The real challenge: Who will be abl eto beat Noel?!?!?! Noone outside NY has done this yet :sad: I've either never beat Noel or I'm not outside of NY...

But yeah, i think people should focus on not losing to Noel, lol.

[Sabin]

I've either never beat Noel or I'm not outside of NY...

But yeah, i think people should focus on not losing to Noel, lol.

Obviously me and you are exempt from the "not losing to Noel" discussion :looney:

[meta]

Actually I lied, I think Tiggy will take it all.

[Tiggy]

i just played through Story Mode with Heart, and I couldn't do a single combo with her :sad:

I got a response from fugee, and he said it's fine if we start an AH1 side tourney Saturday night, as long as they knock out the single elims to at least semi-finals...which they better, since the staff will be using my laptop to make brackets.

meta - I'll do my best, but please don't make any bets on me.

Sabin & HeartNana - I used to consider you guys my #1 challenge to beat at tourneys, but reality set in once I started to get beat by people I've never even heard of :rofl: I've long since learned this lesson, but I realized that you have to start from the bottom and work your way up to the top of the pagoda. lol I don't know if I can beat Noel where I stand now, but he won't just walk all over me this time around.

[meta]

i just played through Story Mode with Heart, and I couldn't do a single combo with her :sad:

I got a response from fugee, and he said it's fine if we start an AH1 side tourney Saturday night, as long as they knock out the single elims to at least semi-finals...which they better, since the staff will be using my laptop to make brackets.

meta - I'll do my best, but please don't make any bets on me.

Sabin & HeartNana - I used to consider you guys my #1 challenge to beat at tourneys, but reality set in once I started to get beat by people I've never even heard of :rofl: I've long since learned this lesson, but I realized that you have to start from the bottom and work your way up to the top of the pagoda. lol I don't know if I can beat Noel where I stand now, but he won't just walk all over me this time around.

If I bet on you and nappy to win our money match and you win, do I get all my money back? I don't know how busy you are the whole weekend, but I'd be interested in sitting down with you and playing a ton of matches.


I love how everyone shits on Noel, he's not THAT bad, you guys just like shitting on him.

[Tiggy]

If I bet on you and nappy to win our money match and you win, do I get all my money back? I don't know how busy you are the whole weekend, but I'd be interested in sitting down with you and playing a ton of matches.


I love how everyone shits on Noel, he's not THAT bad, you guys just like shitting on him.

1) So you can throw the match? Hell no.

2) I don't know how busy I'll be either, but play a ton of matches we will :bgrin:

3) Noel is pretty solid. *Stone Arcana pun* :rofl: Seriously though, I still haven't been able to beat him...or ANYONE at a tourney, for that matter. So I really can't shit on him. At all.

[Sabin]

I love how everyone shits on Noel, he's not THAT bad, you guys just like shitting on him.

You guys just need to set a higher standard for yourselves. The fact that Noel is one of the best in US Arcana despite not being able to do combos is well... :shake: He's always been he deciding factor (at least in the USA) to decide if you are truly good at Arcana or not. Anyone whos really good should smash him with no problems, while average players will struggle/cant beat him period. Step your game up.

Nothing to do with "shitting on him" as a player, it's really how it is!

[meta]

I'm not good then D:

Edit: Does NY even care about AH1 anymore?

[orka]

Reminder to Tiggy and Nappy again (http://leaf.aquaplus.jp/product/th2ad/characters2.html)

EDIT: I need to do 100+ hits in a tourney match... Haven't done that yet

[NappyJin]

Under that rule, I'm not good, either.


Thanks for the reminder. Here's one for you.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ScXLHgPcZuc

[orka]

Under that rule, I'm not good, either.


Thanks for the reminder. Here's one for you.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ScXLHgPcZuc

OK, that was godawful. Now I know I must win the match at all cost.

Must cleanse my ears with Nujabes...

[Sabin]

I'm not good then D:

Edit: Does NY even care about AH1 anymore?

dont give up, as you know myself/Rob been humbled here in Japan too (but getting better!) I didn't really say it as a downer per se, and its hard to get good without comp to play against. I think its pretty safe to say that I wouldnt be able to do anything if I ever played Liz :(

[Tiggy]

You guys just need to set a higher standard for yourselves. The fact that Noel is one of the best in US Arcana despite not being able to do combos is well... :shake: He's always been he deciding factor (at least in the USA) to decide if you are truly good at Arcana or not. Anyone whos really good should smash him with no problems, while average players will struggle/cant beat him period. Step your game up.

Nothing to do with "shitting on him" as a player, it's really how it is!

From this moment on, Tiggy will be known as the best Lilica player in Columbus.

Reminder to Tiggy and Nappy again (http://leaf.aquaplus.jp/product/th2ad/characters2.html)

EDIT: I need to do 100+ hits in a tourney match... Haven't done that yet

You and this wheelchair chick....

Under that rule, I'm not good, either.


Thanks for the reminder. Here's one for you.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ScXLHgPcZuc

I'm not even a part of that MM, and I'm scared after hearing the lead singer open his mouth.

After practicing a little earlier this morning, I have come to the conclusion that I am godlike compared to a year ago. I still need work mind you, but now I know what I'm doing for once. I haven't been able to do Time combo in a match yet, but I haven't played against a human since before I could consistently do it in Training Mode. I' should be able to at least manage the Time combo in a match now...Time loop is another story. With that being said, watch out for my Lilica :bgrin:

[Bill307]

Here's a playlist with some casuals we played 2 weeks ago. Featuring:
* myself (Kamui)
* baod (Kamui) - MBAC player who has played AHF a handful of times before, but has no real experience vs Maori and Yoriko...
* MDK (Yoriko and Maori) - Has been playing AHF for a long time, but not very often.

http://ca.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=CB26EE9A4E0C9AC

Favourite games:
MDK (Poison MA) vs Bill307 (Dark KA) #1 (http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=HRLeIfkFYrM)
MDK (Poison MA) vs Bill307 (Bolt KA) #1 (http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=0LCLdH5uDtw) - Match starts at 0:45. Funny thing happens when Kamui's 5B and Maori's 421C hit each other... :razzy:
(and here's one where I lose: MDK (Poison MA) vs Bill307 (Bolt KA) #2 (http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=Dx-mLtvgI5I))

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Last night I introduced a guy to fighting games for the first time (he plays StarCraft and Guitar Hero III, and has never touched a fighting game before). So I got him started in Arcana Heart, of course. :wink: I'll upload one of his matches soon, vs an experienced 3s player who has played AHF once before.

I also played a bunch of games as Kira and went 9-2 vs my friend strakka (Bolt Lilica). He's been learning since May and in the last month he's finally started to take games off of my Kira and beat my Kamui 50% or more. :smile: Unfortunately, the games were all out of focus, so I probably won't upload them, at least not on Youtube. (Coincidentally, we were talking about how I "never" upload games where he wins. :razz:) But we're supposed to play again tonight, so I'll make sure I capture our games in-focus this time.

If anyone wants to see the out-of-focus games, let me know. I finally started using Kira's air grab super and practicing 3[C] > clash > 720 super, and finally had to start changing up my Kira BS because strakka has adapted to most of my tricks by now. :wink:

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You guys just need to set a higher standard for yourselves. The fact that Noel is one of the best in US Arcana despite not being able to do combos is well... :shake: He's always been he deciding factor (at least in the USA) to decide if you are truly good at Arcana or not. Anyone whos really good should smash him with no problems, while average players will struggle/cant beat him period. Step your game up.

Nothing to do with "shitting on him" as a player, it's really how it is!
So I guess everyone at SB3 is going to have to play at least once vs Noel, now. :looney: I've never played vs him myself, actually.

I dunno how my Kamui compares to his, but if it's good enough then I can use her vs anyone who wants experience vs Kamui in order to beat Noel, since I figure he might not be around to give everyone lots of games. (chickenfat might be able to help, too)

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Hmm I gotta use Kamui tonight, too. Gotta try to use her "ABC-Uruma loop" in a real match now that I know how to do it:

2A 2B 2C 41236A > { 6HC > 2A (asap*) 5B 5C 41236A (whiffs) > 2A 5B 41236A } x 0-3 times > ...

To end it, you can either do 6HC 3B into whatever, or cancel Uruma into the Gier super.

* If 2A isn't done asap after the homing cancel, then Uruma will not whiff.

[orka]

You and this wheelchair chick....

Just staying true to our roots

TEAM WHEELCHAIR (http://www.kotobukiya.co.jp/item/page/pvc_th2_ikunoB/index.shtml) @ MWC 2008, SB3, and forever

[Bill307]

It's 4 am and I'm dead-tired from casuals, but I'd just like to say Arcana Heart is the best fighting game ever. :smile:

Oh, and I'm falling in love with Wind Puppy, now. :blush: (My apologies to Thunder Cat.)

I'll upload tonight's games in a couple of days.

[nekohime]

It's 4 am and I'm dead-tired from casuals, but I'd just like to say Arcana Heart is the best fighting game ever. :smile:

Hell yeah it is! :rock:

[meta]

Tiggy, Nappy thinks you're a liability and that he feels he must take us on by himself. Some partner you have huh. I think you should lose your match to teach him a lesson that he can't do it by himself.

[DS]

I like Nappy > Team Wheelchair.

[meta]

I like Nappy > Team Wheelchair.

I like you in a wheelchair.

[DS]

I like you in a wheelchair.

.........No homo?

[meta]

.........No homo?

Oh, you know the answer to that one already.

We're having Lilica vs Lilica matches right?

[DS]

Oh, you know the answer to that one already.

We're having Lilica vs Lilica matches right?

Sure, why not. I just need to get the rust off.

[NappyJin]

Tiggy, Nappy thinks you're a liability and that he feels he must take us on by himself. Some partner you have huh. I think you should lose your match to teach him a lesson that he can't do it by himself.

!_! Gadzooks!

[Tiggy]

Tiggy, Nappy thinks you're a liability and that he feels he must take us on by himself. Some partner you have huh. I think you should lose your match to teach him a lesson that he can't do it by himself.

....I don't think so. My Lilica is getting so much better, so I don't think I'm that much of a liability.

Stop trying to put us Lilica players against each other! We gotta stick together.

!_! Gadzooks!

We are gonna have, like, the sickest Lilica team ever! Water Lili and Time Lili FTW

[nekohime]

I got one more person to play AH tonight and I think he's going to keep playing, so then there will be 5 scrubs duking it out in north GA! :woot:

Even though we're nowhere close to high-level play I'm happy with how well my friends have responded to the idea of getting together and playing fighting games on saturday night. Hopefully enough people will stay interested long enough to get good because I would love to see this group grow in both skill and number.

We did record tonights matches but personally I just wasn't feeling it as far as commentary goes. I'll post them if anyone really wants to see them but I probably wont be doing any more videos until we get a bit better and there's actually stuff to make comments about.

[Sugarmilktea]

post them nekohime i'll like to see them

[Frank the Tank]

I want a FT5 for 20 against Noel at SB3. For real.

Anybody else want MMs in Arcana?

[Tiggy]

nekohime - Post vids plz

Frank the Tank - Your Kira is gdlk. I'll see about the MM once I see where my money is SB3 weekend.

[Sabin]

I want a FT5 for 20 against Noel at SB3. For real.

Anybody else want MMs in Arcana?

Frank the Tank is GDLK and listened to my advice mid tourney and hit me with the advice I gave him :looney:. I like him over anyone not named Justin or Andre ATM. :hitit:

[Master Chibi]

I want to see FTT play against Ken.

I'd love to play him again too, damn Kira, our matches at EVO were too close.

>:|

[orka]

Hey Frank, lets MM $5 FT3

I wanted to play against you more when we were in Atlanta :wgrin:

[nekohime]

I haven't had a chance to edit the videos yet but I'll get on that now. Might take a couple days to get them uploaded since I'm gonna be pretty busy this week preparing for Impact Clash.

[Bill307]

I want a FT5 for 20 against Noel at SB3. For real.

Anybody else want MMs in Arcana?
I'd like to MM you with both Kira and Kamui. How about something like:
FT3 for $5, Kira vs Kira
FT3 for $5, Kamui vs Kira

I've never played vs Kira before and I really want to know what it's like to be in my opponents' shoes for once. :wink:

[meta]

Orka, my Maori vs your Maori for ft3 for 2 dollars?

[Frank the Tank]

Yes to Orka and Bill.

[someAzNdude]

SB sounds like so much fun :(

I would love to do a Kira vs Kira against Frank, though my AH1 Kira is hella rusty.

[Sabin]

I want to see FTT play against Ken.

I'd love to play him again too, damn Kira, our matches at EVO were too close.

>:|

I would have included Ken to that list maybe since hes one of the OG's, but he never travels anywhere, so I didnt add him to that list (of who are the ONLY ppl that I like over Frank.)

btw, damn, everyone coming out and MM'ing Frank, but noone wants to MM andre when he asked :looney:

[HeartNana]

btw, damn, everyone coming out and MM'ing Frank, but noone wants to MM andre when he asked :looney:
Who is Andre? :lol:

[BB Hood01]

nekohime - Post vids plz

Frank the Tank - Your Kira is gdlk. I'll see about the MM once I see where my money is SB3 weekend.

Hey Tiggy. I'm gonna be comming up to SB3. I wanna see how much better you've gotten since last time I played you, so you say.:wink:

[Twisted)Jago]

Who is Andre? :lol:



Lmao the midwest originated joke i gotta admit its pretty funny

[orka]

Yoo Andre, I didn't forget you. $5 FT3 if you wish.

[Tiggy]

Hey Tiggy. I'm gonna be comming up to SB3. I wanna see how much better you've gotten since last time I played you, so you say.:wink:

My inspiration for training after FRXI was because of the loss you and the other Lilica player dealt me. I'm not gonna lie, it was my worst tourney performance in a fighting game EVER....even worse than Guilty Gear and 3S, and I SUCK at those games. I was almost ready to quit man! But compared to then, there really isn't a comparison. I'm not Sabin gdlk, but I can hold my own.

Lmao the midwest originated joke i gotta admit its pretty funny

DS was saying it at MWC too, and you weren't even there :rofl:
I'll do a FT3 for $5, same goes for Frank the Tank. I should be good on $5 bills week after next. lol

[Twisted)Jago]

Yoo Andre, I didn't forget you. $5 FT3 if you wish.

Whats sup okra, kens so gay i was trying to go to Midwest challenge but had no housing so i told ken to ask you, but i guess it slipped his mind (KEN!!!!!!! ARGGH).

sure we can money match okra
if anybody else wants to I'll money match them also

good to hear from you again too man

[someAzNdude]

Whats sup okra, kens so gay i was trying to go to Midwest challenge but had no housing so i told ken to ask you, but i guess it slipped his mind (KEN!!!!!!! ARGGH).

sure we can money match okra
if anybody else wants to I'll money match them also

good to hear from you again too man

Oops :sweat:

[Twisted)Jago]

Oops :sweat:


Nah its cool , but you should have been there friday where andy and noel went back and forth for 3 hours on AH2 money matching only for Andy to win 30 dollars in the end!!!!!! lmao noel hit the machine so hard!.
no more b, c rock srubbynest

[BB Hood01]

My inspiration for training after FRXI was because of the loss you and the other Lilica player dealt me. I'm not gonna lie, it was my worst tourney performance in a fighting game EVER....even worse than Guilty Gear and 3S, and I SUCK at those games. I was almost ready to quit man! But compared to then, there really isn't a comparison. I'm not Sabin gdlk, but I can hold my own.

Haha! Well I'm glad I inspired you to get better man. Can't wait till next Saturday rolls in. This will be my first time going to Ohio and I'll be turning 21 by next Wednesday so I'll be able to have some REAL fun after gaming!

[NappyJin]

Andre, FT3, $5? Frank, same thing sound good?

I can do a few more for $5.

[Twisted)Jago]

Andre, FT3, $5? Frank, same thing sound good?

I can do a few more for $5.


Hay no problem Nappy jin we can all some MM make things fun and interesting.

So i got orka and nappy jin anybody else wanna MM

lets get hype people.

Is arcana heart 2 gonna be there

[Tiggy]

This is my current list of MMs at SB3, mostly which are in Arcana (OBVIOUSLY). This will be my first time doing MMs, so I'm excited. Frank & Andre are listed as "PENDING", simply because they haven't accepted in previous posts.

Demon Hyo
MvC2; my low-tiers vs. whoever you pick (FT3, $10)

Humbag
Melty Blood; My W. Len vs your Wara (FT3, Watermelon Smoothie-thingie)

orka & meta
Arcana Heart; vs. myself & NappyJin; Midwest Lilicas vs. Midwest Fionas, $5 a head, Japanese-style elim.

Frank the Tank
Arcana Heart (FT3, $5) PENDING

Bill307
Arcana Heart (FT3, $5)

Twisted)Jago a.k.a. "Who is Andre?"
Arcana Heart (FT3, $5) PENDING

chickenfat (You don't have a choice)
Arcana Heart (FT3, $5)

No one knows for sure right now, but chances are likely that AH2 won't be there. We're going to be running an AH1 tourney Saturday if all the main games reach semi in time.

And props to nekohime for bringing Randy along. He'll get to see at least one U.S. Lilica that doesn't drop combos. *points to Nappy*

EDIT: Hyo won't play AH1, Nappy is going to drop every combo, and DS comes in with the knowledge assist.

[NappyJin]

I'll drop every combo on purpose now, lol.

[DS]

Is arcana heart 2 gonna be there

For the last time, no.

[Sabin]

Nah its cool , but you should have been there friday where andy and noel went back and forth for 3 hours on AH2 money matching only for Andy to win 30 dollars in the end!!!!!! lmao noel hit the machine so hard!.
no more b, c rock srubbynest

looooooooooool:rofl:

[Twisted)Jago]

looooooooooool:rofl:


every time noel did B C and Andy saw rock he homing backed and did Saki's super kick raw!!!! Andy scrubbed a scrubbed.

[nekohime]

Just got finished playing with Randy for about 2 hours. While I'm still dropping my IAD combo left and right I've made progress in a few other areas. I finally managed to reversal DP on oki and on the air-throw tech punish he goes after the super in Lilica's air bnb. Still not great at it but at least I'm not as punishable. I started hitting with meaty 3[C], which was nice but if Randy had meter he could 4HC out. In general I think I'm playing a little smarter, blocking more and GCing during blockstrings instead of waiting for them to end and dashing in, paying more attention to when I'm likely to get attacked after a whiff and blocking/dodging instead of trying to get another hit off first. I still do a lot of dumb things though, like going for 2C when 2B or even 5A would be a lot more likely to hit.

Also, on a whim I decided to try just dashing back and forth for a while. Now I've read over and over about the "sweet spot" and how higher level players will hide the exact location of it by constantly moving around it but I've never thought I was good enough to pull that off myself. Low and behold, just dashing back and forth (with fire arcana mind you, so no shadows or extra clash frames to help) landed me more 2ABCs than anything else I've tried so far. I'm sure there's much better ways to go about it, but hey, it's a start.

So will Tiggy's AH setup be enough for all the casuals and MMs? If needed I can bring a setup. I'd love to get as many casuals in as possible but I don't think I'm ready to bet money on my skills yet.

[Master Chibi]

every time noel did B C and Andy saw rock he homing backed and did Saki's super kick raw!!!! Andy scrubbed a scrubbed.

Yeah that shit was hilarious, I stopped playing everything just to watch it.

:rofl:

[Tiggy]

Also, on a whim I decided to try just dashing back and forth for a while. Now I've read over and over about the "sweet spot" and how higher level players will hide the exact location of it by constantly moving around it but I've never thought I was good enough to pull that off myself. Low and behold, just dashing back and forth (with fire arcana mind you, so no shadows or extra clash frames to help) landed me more 2ABCs than anything else I've tried so far. I'm sure there's much better ways to go about it, but hey, it's a start.

So will Tiggy's AH setup be enough for all the casuals and MMs? If needed I can bring a setup. I'd love to get as many casuals in as possible but I don't think I'm ready to bet money on my skills yet.

I've never heard of the "sweet spot". Hiding 'what'?!?

I will have a setup, as will Capps. I don't know if we can get a third setup in the venue as of yet, but it wouldn't hurt to bring it...I'd just leave everything in your hotel room if that's the case.

And just to clarify, I honestly should be getting more experience, rather than betting my money on matches that my experience dictates I shouldn't be able to win :bgrin: One $5 MM against an experienced player won't hurt you, only make you better, if you make it worthwhile.

[someAzNdude]

D:

I should have went to CF on friday. FUCK! :sad:

[NappyJin]

I'll bring a PS2/AH/TV as well. I'm staying at the Red Roof...is anyone else going to be staying there? If so, we should probably get some casuals going the night before so I can get some practice in. I'm not using Water this time around...I haven't decided yet.


SHOT MATCHES!!!!

[orka]

For the record, I did offer Ken housing at MWC... never heard that you want to tag along with him, though, Andre.

But yea minor issues aside, you gotta travel more Ken. D:

[someAzNdude]

If I wasn't broke, I would :sad:

[nekohime]

I've never heard of the "sweet spot". Hiding 'what'?!?

I think it's also referred to as positioning, but David Sirlin gives a nice explanation of it in his book Playing to Win (http://www.sirlin.net/ptw/).

Even in a game of complete information such as a fighting game, you can conceal your current and intended positions. In these games, there is usually a “sweet spot” range, a range where the moves of your character work the best but the moves of the opponent are ineffective. For example, in all five versions of Street Fighter 2, when Ken and Ryu fight, there is a sweet spot of positioning just beyond the reach of the opponent’s low roundhouse sweep. If Ryu stands at this distance without blocking (this makes him smaller than if he were crouching), Ken’s low roundhouse sweep will miss him. If Ken’s sweep misses, Ryu can easily sweep Ken in retaliation or even throw him. Also from this distance, Ryu can easily block Ken’s projectile on reaction, and he can easily counter Ken’s jump attack with a dragon punch. In short, a wide variety of Ken’s most common moves are not effective at this very specific range. The exact location of this sweet spot, of course, varies by character matchup and by game.

The best players are well aware of this nuance of positioning and fight hard to position themselves favorably. The weaker player, though also “fighting hard” in some sense, probably doesn’t even know he should be fighting for this exact distancing, so the expert player is easily able to occupy it. And from this catbird seat, the expert is in control.

Commonly, the expert will conceal the very existence of this sweet spot. He’ll do a variety of safe moves in quick succession. He’ll maneuver back and forth across the sweet spot in an elaborate dance designed to hide the true advantage he holds. Mysteriously, whenever the weaker player tries to attack, he’s always barely out of range and gets hit back for his attempt. In frustration, he makes even bigger mistakes and soon falls completely apart. He is not unlike a deaf person trying to read the lips of someone doing an impression of a poorly dubbed Kung Fu movie; the real movements are too masked by the false movements to make sense of any of it.

The expert player is also aided by the “fear aura” around him. If, during his elaborate dance, he does a certain move or series with great intensity and purpose, the enemy cannot help but believe the tactic is valid. Often, it’s just an illusion—a diversion—to waste time until the weaker player takes the bait and falls into the positional trap.

[Bill307]

Nekohime: I meant to say this earlier, but even if you and your friends aren't very good right now, the fact that you have a small community playing together means you'll all improve dramatically as time goes on. :smile:

That excerpt you just posted is interesting. Personally, I'm pretty inexperienced when it comes to spacing in general. I've certainly never thought about hiding sweet spots. And I'm pretty sure I don't have any elaborate "dances" to try to set up a favourable position. :sad: I think positioning and spacing must be one of my weakest fundamentals when it comes to fighting games, but I think I am slowly starting to appreciate it now. Thanks for posting that.

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So I was practicing Kira and Konoha today. For Kira, I've almost figured out the subtle timing to do boot x2 HC boot x2. Here's what I do:

5B > hit confirm 6HC
> 2A short delay j.A j.C > 669 while landing (land-dash-jump) > j.A j.C > 6[HC] (hold D until j.A)
> j.A short delay djc short delay dj.A* short delay dj.C > land > j.A** j.C > land > 5A (1-3 times) > 623A > etc.

* this dj.A tends to whiff, esp. vs Konoha

** this j.A is the one that's really hard to connect (unless the opponent isn't mashing :wink:)

It seems like getting that dj.A* to connect involves keeping the opponent as high off the ground as possible. I haven't figured out what kind of timing I need earlier in the combo to accomplish that, though. But whenever I get that delayed dj.A* to connect, I can usually connect the j.A** after it.

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Now on to Konoha: I learned a variant of Tokihito / Time Man's bnb (example at 0:13 (http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=FRRiiRliiAQ)) which inflicts about 8000 damage. Here's what I do:

2A 2B 2C 623B > 6[HC] > (delay as long as possible) 5A 6B > jc short delay j.B* > djc delay dj.B dj.C (optional dj.2C whiffs) > land superjump > j.A j.B dj.A dj.B dj.2C

* this j.B should hit them as high on their spirte as possible.

This combo is easiest to perform against tall characters and *must* be modified vs Konoha. For shorter characters, do this instead:
... 5A 6B > jc j.B > djc delay dj.C ...

Even though it has some strict timing, I find this combo easier than Konoha's usual bnb because I have a lot of trouble doing the 623B 6HC 5B part. :xeye:

[Necrosis]

Hey Tiggy, MM in your game of choice? I pretty much play anything, so go ahead and pick a game. Just for fun and like $1 or something.

[Bill307]

So i got orka and nappy jin anybody else wanna MM
me, FT3 for $5?

Also, anyone else interested in MMing with me?

So right now I've got guaranteed MMs with:
* Tiggy, FT3 for $5
* FrankTheTank Kira mirror, FT3 for $5
* FrankTheTank Kira vs my Kamui, FT3 for $5

Chickenfat, how about a grudge MM for eliminating me @ C3? :wink:

[orka]

Bill, let's do $5 FT3 :wgrin:

[NappyJin]

Bill, I'm in. FT3, $5.

[Bill307]

Accepted x2!

We're gonna need a lot of $5 bills at SB3. :lol:

[Tiggy]

Hey Tiggy, MM in your game of choice? I pretty much play anything, so go ahead and pick a game. Just for fun and like $1 or something.

Arcana obviously :bgrin:

nekohime - That stuff about the 'sweet spot' kinda went over my head. I'll just play to win, kk thx.

OK, I do understand it...spacing and whatnot, but I'm terrible with character match-ups though. Meh, I'll just stick to playing to win and not dropping combos to myself. lol

And Bill, stop learning this game so well! You're leaving this console OG WAAAYYY behind :looney:

[Bill307]

Eh, I'm just lucky to have some regular competition around here. :sweat:

Btw, random factoid: when you pick Gier as your Arcana, your character loses her shadow.

[Frank the Tank]

Tiggy, Nappy, those MMs sound good to me. So at this point I've got FT3 for 5 vs. Orka, Tiggy, Nappy, Bill (KI and KA). Did I forget anyone?

I want one vs. Andre as well. I haven't played him since NEC before I knew shit about the game, and in those few matches I learned quite a bit.

[nekohime]

Nekohime: I meant to say this earlier, but even if you and your friends aren't very good right now, the fact that you have a small community playing together means you'll all improve dramatically as time goes on. :smile:


That's the general idea. Even though our group is small and scrubby I'm really happy to have them. For the first couple months I had no one to play with at all, then I got two others in which was awesome but still felt like we were kind of stagnating. Then two more were like "that sounds cool" when I said I wanted to get something resembling a scene going so that whoever wanted to improve their fighting skills could have regular competition. So yeah, I'm pretty happy with the way things are going now.

nekohime - That stuff about the 'sweet spot' kinda went over my head. I'll just play to win, kk thx.

OK, I do understand it...spacing and whatnot, but I'm terrible with character match-ups though. Meh, I'll just stick to playing to win and not dropping combos to myself. lol

Playing to win is a noble endeavor, sir. Which is why I would recommend reading the book "Playing to Win" at least once. After all, it's free to read online at his website and even if it doesn't directly improve your game it might at least give some interesting stuff to think about and watch for next time you see the experts duke it out. Besides, anything that draws correlations between Sun Tzu's "The Art of War" and video games is bound to be entertaining at the very least :smile:

Also I've been thinking about the whole money matches thing and even though I still don't consider myself very good, a few MMs against people better than me would only result in me getting better. Either by doing better simply by needing to win (I'm sure the thought of $5 escaping my wallet if I lose will drive me to play my absolute best) or by inspiring me to step it up so that I can win my money back next time. So yeah, I'll be bringing a bunch of $5 bills if anyone wants to take them from me, plus an AH setup and recording equipment just in case.

[orka]

nekohime, FT3 $5

Any characters or Fiona mirror... take your pick

[Tiggy]

nekohime - FT3 $5, Gier Heart mirror. I'll take a look at that, cause it sounds like something that I'd quote for a sig :rofl:

orka - Maori is hard to use, harder than Lilica (which is hard to believe)

Frank the Tank - Plz amaze me with Kira, cause she is the one character besides Maori that I don't understand fully and enjoy watching at a high level

[Master Chibi]

Tiggy, Nappy, those MMs sound good to me. So at this point I've got FT3 for 5 vs. Orka, Tiggy, Nappy, Bill (KI and KA). Did I forget anyone?

I want one vs. Andre as well. I haven't played him since NEC before I knew shit about the game, and in those few matches I learned quite a bit.

Are you going to NEC?

:V

[Frank the Tank]

Planning on it, Chibi.

[nekohime]

nekohime, FT3 $5

Any characters or Fiona mirror... take your pick

Ok, but since my Fiona skills have fallen back to scrub level from lack of use (I can't do much more than abuse 5C anymore:sad:) I'll be playing Heart. You play whoever you feel like.

nekohime - FT3 $5, Gier Heart mirror. I'll take a look at that, cause it sounds like something that I'd quote for a sig :rofl:


Hmm. I'm game for a Heart mirror, but do I have to use Gier?

Edit: I finally pulled off the Heart combo I've been practicing (2ABC, 236A+B, 6CH, A, 6B, IAD, j.A, j.C, dash A, j.ABC, Fire Super, jc, j.2C) in an actual match. Against Randy no less, who out of our group I have the hardest time starting that combo. :woot:

[Master Chibi]

Planning on it, Chibi.

Awesome, I'd love to play you again.

I hope alot of you plan on going to NEC, you won't regret making the trip out, I promise.

I want to play all of you :3

[nekohime]

If I can get off from work for it I'll be at NEC, I wanna play all of you too.

[NappyJin]

I'll try to make it to NEC if at all possible. But there'd better be cake.

[Tiggy]

Ok, but since my Fiona skills have fallen back to scrub level from lack of use (I can't do much more than abuse 5C anymore:sad:) I'll be playing Heart. You play whoever you feel like.



Hmm. I'm game for a Heart mirror, but do I have to use Gier?

Edit: I finally pulled off the Heart combo I've been practicing (2ABC, 236A+B, 6CH, A, 6B, IAD, j.A, j.C, dash A, j.ABC, Fire Super, jc, j.2C) in an actual match. Against Randy no less, who out of our group I have the hardest time starting that combo. :woot:

GS on getting dat combo!

Nah, you don't gotta use Gier...but I thought you used Gier at one point. Blame my terrible memory.

Awesome, I'd love to play you again.

I hope alot of you plan on going to NEC, you won't regret making the trip out, I promise.

I want to play all of you :3

I wanna go, cause the drive won't be a long one. But just as nekohime said, I'll need to get time off work first. After being to two anime cons and three toruneys this year alone, it'll be a miracle if I make NEC.

[nekohime]

GS on getting dat combo!

Nah, you don't gotta use Gier...but I thought you used Gier at one point. Blame my terrible memory.

Thanks, and I did use Gier for a bit when I first started learning Heart but I missed my fireballs too much so I switched.

[Bill307]

So I'm still trying to find a place to stay for SB3.

Does anyone here have some extra space in their hotel room? I'm okay with sleeping on the floor, as long as I get one of those thick comforters to lie on. (Or I could bring a sleeping bag.) But I heard at least one of the hotels nearby has a limit on how many people can stay in a room. >_<

[Capps Indigo]

So I'm still trying to find a place to stay for SB3.

Does anyone here have some extra space in their hotel room? I'm okay with sleeping on the floor, as long as I get one of those thick comforters to lie on. (Or I could bring a sleeping bag.) But I heard at least one of the hotels nearby has a limit on how many people can stay in a room. >_<

bill, we may. i will discuss it w/ my roomies and get back to you. ^_^


edit: vv im pretty sure we are.

[NappyJin]

No one ever got back to me about whether or not they're staying at the Red Roof as well. =[

I just wanna know because I'll be damned if I'm confined to my room with no kinda practice the night before.

[Bill307]

bill, we may. i will discuss it w/ my roomies and get back to you. ^_^


edit: vv im pretty sure we are.
You guys have got room? That's great! :smile:

Which hotel are you guys in? *hopes it's one of the ones within walking distance of the venue, so that he can get more AH casuals in* :wonder:

I only need to stay over Saturday night, by the way.

[orka]

We're staying at Red Roof

[NappyJin]

Sweet. Now I won't have to go too far to hang out the rape cookies.

[Tiggy]

10/10/08

Today marks my one-year anniversary of playing PS2 Arcana Heart!! :lovin:

[Bill307]

Most of the hotels are within walking distance of the venue, right? ('cept the Days Inn) So that means they're all within walking distance of each other. :bgrin:

Capps, thanks again for the hotel assist. I'll PM you my contact info now so we can go over the details.

Edit: Tiggy: Happy Arcana Day! Important SB3 beverage question: does the venue sell milk? I need it to power-up. :wink:

[nekohime]

Ok, I finally got the videos from Saturday up. Playlist is here (http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=FA6ACDFFA54ABBFF). Enjoy!

[Bill307]

Here's a video from last week featuring:

* Wilson (Fire Mei-Fang) - His 2nd time playing AH. He's also been training at home.

* Jesung (Bolt Heart) - His 1st time playing AH and his first time playing any fighting game! This is his ~5th match, iirc. We gave him 1-2 hours in training mode first to get used to the joystick and to learn some simple combos.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mmWUxH06J_0

You'll notice that the first thing we taught Jesung was to block. :wink: He had a pretty easy time with Heart because he could just mash 2A out of Wilson's pressure strings, and because she has that really simple 2A 2B 2C 236B 236A+B combo.


On a different note: OH MY GOD, I JUST REALIZED KIRA RECOVERS/JUMPS FASTER IN HER COMBOS IF YOU DO A LAND-DASH-JUMP!! :wow: Her boot-boot-HC-boot-boot combo just got SO MUCH EASIER now that I'm dashing both times that I land! :bgrin:

Previously, I used to dash the 1st landing only because I thought it was just to get you closer to the opponent, and I figured the dash would slow down her jump, not make it faster.

[NappyJin]

I feel all left out and shit. I don't have anyone to play against and record matches with.


Oh, well. We'll have to record lots at SB. I look forward to beating you all. Especially orka.:tup::rock:

[nekohime]

Bill, good job getting some more people to play AH and very nice job of teaching Jesung basics.:tup: I hope they both stick with it, I look forward to seeing some good matches from you guys.:wink:

[orka]

nappy, you're scared

team wheelchair > you

[NappyJin]

nappy, you're scared

team wheelchair > you

You crazy, dawg. I fear nothing but Sunday morning television.

[nekohime]

Well I made my tourney debut today at Impact Clash II in Atlanta, GA. Randy had some family issues come up and couldn't make it so from our group it was just me and Surllio who went. Since I had gotten the starting times confused with SB3 we wound up being there very early. We got there at 10 AM but the event wasn't scheduled to start till 12. Also, I apparently missed the post where they said they changed rooms, so we sat in the wrong place till about 11:15 wondering where everyone was at. Someone who worked there saw us and told us it had been moved two floors up and to the other side of the building.

We get there and they're setting up while people play casuals and MMs. Of course no one was playing Arcana, but I wasn't expecting everyone to be playing Smash. Seriously, there were 13 setups and 7 of them were running Smash all day. I'm not really sure why but getting everything setup and registrations done took way too long. The first round of tourneys was supposed to start at noon with the second round starting at 3:00. The first Tourneys ended up starting at 3:00, and since Arcana was a second round tourney and there wasn't a setup for casuals Surllio and I both ended up doing a whole lot of nothing the majority of the time we were there. Fortunately we both brought our DSs and we played Tetris multiplayer for about an hour, we even had one other guy join for some 3-way verses for a while.

At about 5:30 they took a setup away from CvS2 casuals to run the Arcana tourney which ended up with 9 people. I did about as well as I expected to, which is to say I played absolutely terribly. Between never really having to play under pressure before and not even having any pre-tourney casuals to warm up on, coupled with the negativity of having more or less wasted seven and a half hours just waiting to play I was completely unable to do even the most basic shit once match-time came around. I only won my first match because it was against Surllio who was in the exact same boat as I was. After that I played D.A.H (who I think won the AH tourney at the first Impact Clash) who had a very solid Fiona. None of that "spam 5C because I don't know anything else" crap, he actually knew how to combo with her, did well on his spacing and punishes, and never dropped anything. I somehow managed to squeeze a KO on the first round of our first match, and I may have been able to beat him if I were in top form, but right then and there the difference in our ability to play was just too great and he moped the floor with me after that. My third match was against another Fiona but this one was a little more my speed. By that time I regained some ability to play, but the only combo's I could get off were 2C, OTG 236A+B and meaty 3[C], HC, j.ABC, fire Super, JC j.2C. I lost that match 2-1 but it was really close. I think all 3 matches went all 3 rounds, and the last round came down to like the last 5% health for both of us. Even though I wasn't playing well (the other guy probably wasn't either) it was an awesome match to be in because we both knew it could go either way and we were both really hyped about it. Surllio lost his second round in a mirror match against another poison Moari who said he had watched the match vids I've been posting. The guy said Randy was awesome, which is pretty cool that someone thinks someone in our humble group is awesome. It made me just a little sad that he didn't say I was awesome too since I've beaten Randy in all of our recorded matches (I have lost a lot of unrecorded matches though) but given how badly I was playing there I wouldn't have deserved any praise anyway.

After the tourney Surllio and I actually got to talk about Arcana with people since we knew who some of the players were (no one was really willing to talk about Arcana before the tourney) and got a few people who want to play our group which is really cool. Hopefully we can get something set up in the future with them.

I'm not really sure what to think of the overall experience. The whole event seemed poorly organized and I was incredibly bored for the majority of the day. The tourney itself was fun even though I did horribly and it was a good experience for me. It did kind of feel like a ripoff to drive 2 hours and pay $30 to play just 3 tourney matches and no casuals, but I got to meet some other players and got my first taste of tournament play so it wasn't a complete waste.

On the way home Rumble texted me asking if we were doing our fighting game night. I told him we were about an hour and a half away from home but if he wanted we could play when we got back. He said sure so Surllio called Randy to give him the rundown of what he missed and ask if he wanted to play too. Randy said yes too so about 9:00 we picked up Randy and met Rumble at my house and we played Arcana for a couple more hours. Since it was late and Surllio and I were both pretty tired we didn't bother breaking out the recording equipment and just played. Now that we were back in our familiar element Surllio and I were both playing a lot better than we did in the tourney, but Randy was on fire. I'm not sure if it was him playing a lot better than usual, if I was still playing badly as a result of my poor showing earlier, or if I was just plain too tired to play well but he was a beast tonight. I managed a few wins and I was actually able to do my combos right but I was constantly losing on pokes, clashes, gaurd cancels, and setups. You know, the stuff you have to do in order to have the opportunity to use your combos.

Anyway, I'm gonna try and get as much practice in as I can this week. I've got high hopes that SB3 will be a lot more fun than today was since Arcana will be available all weekend. Hopefully getting to play casuals and MMs with you guys before the tourney will help take the edge off the pressure and nervousness and I'll be able to play closer to my best.

[Tiggy]

nekohime, welcome to the AH scene in the US.
It sucks. lol

I will do everything I can at SB3 to make sure we get Arcana up and running. I know for a fact that we'll have a setup for it all weekend, so that won't be a problem. And about your performance at ICII, I wouldn't be too depressed about it. I know all too well about pressure and tourney jitters and the like. Just have fun with it, cause that's what I plan on doing (for the first time ever lol). After this coming weekend, you'll be :lovin:

[nekohime]

As part of my path to AH excellence I've made it a point to never get depressed about losing a match, but rather view each loss as a reminder of what I still need to work on improving. Even though I performed poorly today I learned a lot about myself as a player and what it's really like to play seriously. If there's anything to be depressed about IC2 it's that I was in that building for 9 and a half hours and played a grand total of 3 matches. From now on whenever I go to a tourney for AH I'm gonna make damn sure there's a setup to play casuals on and someone to play with, even if I have to bring both myself :bgrin:

[StyleTime]

Hey Nekohime, it's me the Maori player. I hope this ICII didn't discourage you from attending another one. This isn't how the tournament usually is. There were are couple of problems that the organizers ran into. Our room got forcefully switched to a much, much smaller venue at pretty much the last minute. That alone was enough to throw everything out of wack. It greatly reduced the number of televisions we got to use. In addition to that, we had more people this time so the tournaments took far longer, we started much later, and casuals were completely absent unless you went to the after party or played Smash/MVC2. Last time, pretty much every game on the list got a good 2-3 hrs of casuals before the tournaments started and casuals were run throughout the day since we had plenty of room and stations.

I was late this time and couldn't snag a tv to set up at when I arrived. Usually, I try to get there early and make sure Arcana Heart gets a station so people can have casuals. Playing cold like we had to do just sucked. It's even worse for Soul Calibur IV. I've only played that on 360 and had to play on a PS3 controller with no warm-up whatsoever.

Good games to everyone that was there. I never got to play Neko, but hopefully we can meet up and support the AH scene down here. Videos and results should be up soon.

[nekohime]

Don't worry, if they hold another one I'll be there with my own setup specifically for AH so even if we have to play on the floor it will be available. I'll even still pay the entry fee just just to keep them from using it for anything else. Gotta support the AH scene if we want it to grow, ya know? Plus I'd love to play you and a lot of the other people who were there, and I really need a rematch with Nicaboy. Even though I lost that match was one of the biggest rushes I've had playing fighters, seriously good shit.

[orka]

You crazy, dawg. I fear nothing but Sunday morning television.

After I beat you, you will seeking god through televangelists. Truly a low-point in your life. :shake:

[psychochronic]

Bill307 at my house on 10-11-08:
http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=51D67A181DFD496D

Keep in mind that this is Jesung's second time playing AH and Fareed's first time playing AH as this was also an ST casual. Psychochronic and Bill307 on commentary.

[NappyJin]

After I beat you, you will seeking god through televangelists. Truly a low-point in your life. :shake:

Hmm...that makes me reconsider winning.

We need to record and have Webster commentary.

[Bill307]

So apparently Lilica's 623C has invincible start-up. :O (but no invincible active frames, from what I could see)

[meta]

So apparently Lilica's 623C has invincible start-up. :O (but no invincible active frames, from what I could see)

No way, what are you trying to hit it with?

[orka]

I think there was a vid on youtube proving this a while back

[meta]

I think there was a vid on youtube proving this a while back

Actually hmm, nevermind. That makes sense, if it's anything like SF2's Ryu's dragon punch, or probably even like Heart's uppercut.

Was thinking you could like flashkick through like Fiona's excalibur, but excalibur is on the screen for bunch of frames- well, right next to her anyway, dunno about the tip of it.

[orka]

Wait... 623c = heel kick? (I don't play Lilica D:)

Nevermind, I didn't know about that. I assumed you guys were talking about Accel Slide.

[meta]

Wait... 623c = heel kick? (I don't play Lilica D:)

Nevermind, I didn't know about that. I assumed you guys were talking about Accel Slide.

623c is uppercut, the one where you float in the air and move vertically up the screen. Accel slide heelkick is 236a~C.

If 623c does indeed have invincible startup, that's pretty broke for a move with that much range, imo. I could understand having lower body invicibility since it floats you, and then a hit/clash hitbox right in front of it, but behind that and above the float should be a hitbox.

[orka]

Damn, is it that freeee? [/arturo]

EDIT: Actually, now I understand why I sometimes see Lilica players randomly heel kick out of the corner and run away to the other side of the screen

[meta]

Damn, is it that freeee? /arturo

yes, just like nappyjin and tiggy this weekend...

OH SNAP~ :amazed:

BOOM. :rock:

[Tiggy]

......?

623C has invul frames on startup? The only thing more surprising than that is the fact that Bill was using Lilica :looney:

And meta, leave me and Nappy alone!!!! Us Lili players gotta stick together! All 3 of us :rofl:

[NappyJin]

Garbage.

[Bill307]

Watch at 1:03 to 1:08 and at 2:08 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xWGaoDZzH3I&feature=PlayList&p=51D67A181DFD496D&index=13) - Heart's 236C trades with and/or goes right through Lilica's 623C. The last trade at 2:08 makes it 100% clear that 623C has invul until its first active frame.

In addition, I think its first active frame doesn't clash, just like her 623A+B (clash-war winner), otherwise it should've clashed with Heart's punch.

Lastly, in that match I learned that if you SJC-block after clashing with someone's 3[C], then you can block it as long as it hits you while you're still on the ground. (But if it hits you just after you leave the ground, then it'll probably air-unblockable you.)

PS: Lilica is fun. :sweat:

[orka]

yes, just like nappyjin and tiggy this weekend...

OH SNAP~ :amazed:

BOOM. :rock:

Werd!? [/arturo]

[Bill307]

Huh, the move's invincibility isn't mentioned on Guardcrush, either.

Here's another use for it: escaping Lieselotte's Lightning unblockable in the corner (http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=kbWJE9Uw6Ew) (at 1:48). Kanta escapes Ao's unblockable completely unharmed. :wow:


Edit: nekohime: that sounds like my experiences with AH at C3 and T9. :sad: At T9 I got only a handful of casuals in before the MMs and tournament (which started too late to finish), and at C3 I got exactly one casual game the day after the tournament (which again started too late to finish). :shake:

You know your game is neglected when it has to wrestle a station away from CvS2 casuals.

I'm REALLY glad SB3 is 100% going to have dedicated stations for AH. :lovin: We just need to make sure we start the tourney early enough for it to finish.

[meta]

Huh, the move's invincibility isn't mentioned on Guardcrush, either.

Here's another use for it: escaping Lieselotte's Lightning unblockable in the corner (http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=kbWJE9Uw6Ew) (at 1:48). Kanta escapes Ao's unblockable completely unharmed. :wow:.

Pssh, that's not invincibility on 623c, that's Lilica techbouncing, then reversaling at the peak of the tech bounce so that 6[c] and 5b doll completely whiff, then 4d homing cancelling (which does have hit invincibility for a split second) to dodge the lightning.

On the other video. You're mistaking the invincibility for the moving of the hitbox. The hitbox moves upward, out of where heart's attack is. Since Lilica goes into the air, the area below her isn't part of Lilica's hitbox anymore, therefore there's a "lower body invincibility" if any at all, but definitely not full body invicinbility. If there was completely invincibility, heart's 236a's should get completely stuffed and not trade at any time.

complete invincibility is lilica's 236a+b, I'm pretty sure.

And meta, leave me and Nappy alone!!!! Us Lili players gotta stick together! All 3 of us

Word, I'm hanging out with the Lieselotte players, all one of me.

But can I join your club? I play Lilica too.

[Tiggy]

Pssh, that's not invincibility on 623c, that's Lilica techbouncing, then reversaling at the peak of the tech bounce so that 6[c] and 5b doll completely whiff, then 4d homing cancelling (which does have hit invincibility for a split second) to dodge the lightning.

On the other video. You're mistaking the invincibility for the moving of the hitbox. The hitbox moves upward, out of where heart's attack is. Since Lilica goes into the air, the area below her isn't part of Lilica's hitbox anymore, therefore there's a "lower body invincibility" if any at all, but definitely not full body invicinbility. If there was completely invincibility, heart's 236a's should get completely stuffed and not trade at any time.

complete invincibility is lilica's 236a+b, I'm pretty sure.



Word, I'm hanging out with the Lieselotte players, all one of me.

But can I join your club? I play Lilica too.

meta is too pro with dat knowledge :looney:
You could join the club, I guess...then again, that's not for me to decide since my A-tier character is low-tier when I play her.

[meta]

meta is too pro with dat knowledge :looney:
You could join the club, I guess...then again, that's not for me to decide since my A-tier character is low-tier when I play her.

Who decides? D:

Don't tell me it's NappyJin... srsly, who does that guy think he is?

[Bill307]

Pssh, that's not invincibility on 623c, that's Lilica techbouncing, then reversaling at the peak of the tech bounce so that 6[c] and 5b doll completely whiff, then 4d homing cancelling (which does have hit invincibility for a split second) to dodge the lightning.

On the other video. You're mistaking the invincibility for the moving of the hitbox. The hitbox moves upward, out of where heart's attack is. Since Lilica goes into the air, the area below her isn't part of Lilica's hitbox anymore, therefore there's a "lower body invincibility" if any at all, but definitely not full body invicinbility. If there was completely invincibility, heart's 236a's should get completely stuffed and not trade at any time.

complete invincibility is lilica's 236a+b, I'm pretty sure.
I've gotta disagree with you on both counts.

For the Ao vs Kanta match, Kanta got OTG'd by the doll so he couldn't tech-bounce, then Liese's attack and the doll's attack both went right through Kanta's 623C. And yeah, he dodged the lightning because of 4HC.

And for my match vs Fareed, at 2:08 in particular you can see Heart's punch is waaay deep inside of Lilica when the two moves trade. If 623C had no invincibility then it would've gotten stuffed for sure. Also, the reason they trade is because 623C loses invincibility on the first active frame, like I said earlier. Moves can have complete invincibility on start-up without being invincible during active frames. =P

Lilica's 623A+B also has complete invincibility on start-up, and its first active frame(s) won't clash, so it can be used to win clash wars. But unlike 623C, it has invincibility during its first active frame(s), too.

Maybe 623C has lower-body invincibility only, but that's still very useful. Referring back to 2:08 in my match, though, I'm leaning towards full invul over lower-body invul, because I believe Heart's 236C would've stuffed it in that situation if the move was lower-body invul only.


Edit: you can actually pause the Ao vs Kanta video on a frame where Lilica is "crouching" on the ground during the start-up of 623C, and the doll's claws are overlapping her sprite. Yet Lilica doesn't get hit. If that's not invincibility, then I don't know what is. :looney:

http://img520.imageshack.us/img520/50/tornadoedgeinvulmt7.png

[meta]

I've gotta disagree with you on both counts.

For the Ao vs Kanta match, Kanta got OTG'd by the doll so he couldn't tech-bounce, then Liese's attack and the doll's attack both went right through Kanta's 623C. And yeah, he dodged the lightning because of 4HC.

And for my match vs Fareed, at 2:08 in particular you can see Heart's punch is waaay deep inside of Lilica when the two moves trade. If 623C had no invincibility then it would've gotten stuffed for sure. Also, the reason they trade is because 623C loses invincibility on the first active frame, like I said earlier. Moves can have complete invincibility on start-up without being invincible during active frames. =P

Lilica's 623A+B also has complete invincibility on start-up, and its first active frame(s) won't clash, so it can be used to win clash wars. But unlike 623C, it has invincibility during its first active frame(s), too.

Maybe 623C has lower-body invincibility only, but that's still very useful. Referring back to 2:08 in my match, though, I'm leaning towards full invul over lower-body invul, because I believe Heart's 236C would've stuffed it in that situation if the move was lower-body invul only.


Edit: you can actually pause the Ao vs Kanta video on a frame where Lilica is "crouching" on the ground during the start-up of 623C, and the doll's claws are overlapping her sprite. Yet Lilica doesn't get hit. If that's not invincibility, then I don't know what is. :looney:

http://img520.imageshack.us/img520/50/tornadoedgeinvulmt7.png

Alright, lower body invincibility I'll take, which makes complete sense. I mean, you could make the argument that he was still OTG recovering (where he's still invulnerable) and that's the frame you see the doll pass through, and since it's 'reversal' flashkick during the video and the snapshot you took doesn't say reversal, so that means the move wasn't done yet.

Full body I will forever refuse to believe. :rofl:

[Bill307]

Oh but it does say reversal in that snapshot: it's the green line below Lilica's portrait. :wgrin:

[Tiggy]

Bill, you don't even main Lilica. lol But that is interesting....I'll prolly forget to do that on wakeup though. I'll stick to time bullshit, thx.

meta, I unno. Let Nappy decide, since he really is a better player than I am :razz:

[meta]

Oh but it does say reversal in that snapshot: it's the green line below Lilica's portrait. :wgrin:

lol, there was absolutely no way i would've seen that on my own. I went 'wait what?' and I literally had to take like 20 seconds to look for it and realize why it would be a line. So that establishes that there's lower body invincibility. As far as if there's upper body invincibility also, I'm almost thinking it's a moot point since there's no attack frames on the screen anyway like you said, and you'll probably trade attacks at best.

I'm 99% sure that heart's dp is invincible on startup, and 100% invincible if it hits you, but if the upper body portion of lilica's sprite is invincible too like heart's dp, then that move is super brokesauce. I'm pretty sure it's not that broken though, since I think lilica's attack clashes instead of clean beats out your attacks. It's been like 5 months since I played against lilica so I can't remember, and it was time lilica so instead of uppercuting and risking me anticipating that and 4d'ing that, she would just backdash which is the infinitely safer option.

edit: The reason why I kinda care, is if I meaty 3[c] with Fiona, can lilica just bust out 623c and completely avoid it?

Tiggy: I challenge you to a FT3 Lilica vs Lilica mirror to establish myself as a legitimate Lilica player (so I can join da Lilica club) :wgrin:

[Tiggy]

Bill, you don't even main Lilica. lol But that is interesting....I'll prolly forget to do that on wakeup though. I'll stick to time bullshit, thx.
meta, I unno. Let Nappy decide, since he really is a better player than I am :razz:

It's been like 5 months since I played against lilica so I can't remember, and it was time lilica so instead of uppercuting and risking me anticipating that and 4d'ing that, she would just backdash which is the infinitely safer option. So meh, iono.

Tiggy: I challenge you to a FT3 Lilica vs Lilica mirror to establish myself as a legitimate Lilica player (so I can join da Lilica club) :wgrin:

:rofl:

I never said you weren't a legitimate Lilica player....9 times out of 10 you're more fit to main her than me anyways. But I accpet your challenge! I just can't wait for this weekend to roll around!!! :mad:

[meta]

:rofl:

I never said you weren't a legitimate Lilica player....9 times out of 10 you're more fit to main her than me anyways. But I accpet your challenge! I just can't wait for this weekend to roll around!!! :mad:

lol, I know. I just wanted an excuse to challenge you. :rofl:

[nicaboy]

who said nicaboy :rofl:
sup guys

@nekohime man look you have a very nice heart. for that being your 1st tourney you did very well. in all honesty that was mine too except for the fact that i have played JTO(he won both impact clashes) several times and i have beaten his kaumi with fiona several times as well. as a matter of fact he convinced me to enter the tourney. anyway i was no where near my original skill level i dont even own the game any more i sold it thinking no one even plays this but now i want it back so bad lol im going to pick it up later this week. i was surprised not one person played lilica who is a beast in that game.any way i look forward to the next arcarna heart tourney as well as playing # 2 in the near future. i lucked out on my 1st match since the guy didnt know what he was doing and told me i was probably going to win and after that it got tuff lol. regardless nekohime our match was close i thought it was over for me you simply had better execution and punish me for everything i fucked up on(like when i didnt homing cancel my standing c's)
gg man it was close but their is no doubt you will be a beast in this game. we need to get together and play some time you heart is really nice man. GOOD SHIT

EDIT fiona is suppose try and hit with her c's man but definatly not spam :rofl::rofl:them:rofl::rofl::rofl:

[NappyJin]

I don't make any decisions. I just dol a heel kick and pray that it hits. =3


I have to say though, I give props to meta for sticking with Liese. I tried and I don't have the patience to pratice mid-screen loop.

I'm hoping someone's there on Friday night cuz my Wind Konoha is aching to put it in someone. =)

[Capps Indigo]

.... the next arcarna heart tourney ....

... is this weekend in cbus. ^_^

bill/nappy, i wont know which room ill be in till our car gets to red roof on friday. hopefully we will all be there sometime between 8-10pm. my cell, for anyone that needs to contact me this weekend is 847-772-0848. txts are ok, sometimes preferred.

bill/nekohime, i dont really do money matches in general. i like tourney matches and regular casuals. that said, you guys both happened to pick the same heart color that ive been using since day 1. so, my challenge.. not a MM but a color match. ft3 or ft5 is fine w/ me. heart mirror matches to both of you. for the right to use that color in this tourney and from now on (in ah1). ^_^

to everyone else, ill play casuals w/ anyone so long as im not playing in tourney or recording tourney matches at the time. if anyone wants to play w/ something on the line, ill do $1 matches, but meh.


ps. tiggy, no ah2 at sb3 right? im pretty sure this is confirmed. so lets move the ah1 tourney to the ah2 slot, sunday 12pm signup/setup/warmup, 1pm 1v1 tourney starts. also, im up for a 2v2 tourney as well if ppl are interested.