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Bill307

10-20-2008, 10:46 AM

Easily the most popular station at SB3 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v211/Roseo_Chopper/DSC02001.jpg)
:rofl: This might explain why Tiggy got so many of dem Time Supers in his match vs Noel. :wink:

Alright, back home now and going to start compressing vids.

Nas: really wish I'd gotten those MMs with you and NappyJin, too. You both look like good players. Your Plant Kamui is hot. I think it's really neat that you stick with Plant rather than tier-whoring with Gier Kamui like I do. :looney:

Frank: I think I've figured out a way to make Kira vs Kira tolerable. See, when I was playing against you, I had the rather silly gameplan of "hit him before he hits me". :sweat: But now that I've thought about it some more, the main problem I had with that matchup was that I had no good "get off me" type moves. So if I ever have to play that matchup again, I'm going to pick either Wind Kira or Fire Kira. Although I lose the Lightning setups, I think they're less useful vs Kira because you've gotta watch out for her 720. In addition, hopefully with Fire I can use the Explosion super as an option to get out of those really scary situations, or with Wind I can just pushblock my opponent away whenever they get in on me, making it a lot harder for them to pressure me.

Now I just need to convince someone to play Kira around here so that I can test it out. (Story of an AH player's life. :rolleyes:)

Actually, I might try out Wind or Fire Kira anyway, since imo Kira is lacking in the get-off-me department against most of the cast. I bet Kira is also pretty strong with Plant, because vs you I found it hard to avoid getting jumped on over and over, meaning it should be easier to catch people with Plant unblockables. (And Plant unblockables aren't vulnerable to 720s, either.) However, I think Lightning Kira is better because the Lightning setups are very strong, and it gives her the clash dagger and better follow-ups to 3C (even on guardbreak) and accidental 623A across the stage :looney:. Moreover, Lightning builds meter when you're getting hit whereas Plant doesn't. :arazz:

Necrosis

10-20-2008, 01:11 PM

Rob, I didn't actually play noel, I left before I got to play that match. I really wanted to though, just to see how I'd do at least. I did have my next match against him, so more or less accurate anyway.

I really want the vids of me vs skisonic up just for that gier setup in I think match 1 that won it for me, where he clashed gier and I threw him? I felt REALLY good about that after I did it, heh (added: I'd been trying to do that setup the whole weekend, it was the first time it worked). The "rinse and repeat" nonsense, I felt good about too, but that throw was what made that match great for me.

Bill307

10-20-2008, 01:58 PM

I really want the vids of me vs skisonic up just for that gier setup in I think match 1 that won it for me, where he clashed gier and I threw him? I felt REALLY good about that after I did it, heh.
Woah, that's pretty sick. It's like how in Third Strike you can grab people out of parries, but if they block or get hit then your grab will whiff.

Capps Indigo

10-20-2008, 02:09 PM

shoutoutz:

big thanks to tiggy for everything. basically, you made it happen for the ah community this weekend. cant thank you enough. and your lilica is much improved. i didnt see you play your secondaries at all, so no comment there.

meta- <3.. and <3 again. ^_^

orka- <3, pleasure as always (i see you too often for shoutoutz =P)

bill- it was really nice to meet you. you looked like a real solid player. sorry that you couldnt enter the tourney, i think you wouldve done well.

ds- glad you found a way to make it to the tourney. pleasure seeing as always. it was funny watching you play meta in st.

ski- you were really busy the whole time. nice seeing your konoha again.

nas- im really glad we got to play. if it wasnt in tourney, it prolly wouldntve happened at all this weekend. we'll try to get some more matches in the next time i see you!!~

nappy- our matches are too fun. ill make a trip to WI sometime so we can play some more. ^_^

'frank'- kira is scary.

noel- does he read srk?

justin- prolly doesnt read this thread but.. too good.

nekohime/randy- nice meeting you guys. and good job w/ the scene you have over there.

chopa- cool meeting you, im glad you had a good time.

necrosis- glad you got to play as much as you did before you had to leave.

and a general 'gg's' to everyone. it was fun meeting everyone and playing some games.
..

other stuff: the brackets were entirely random. i used the quarter method to make the brackets.if youre intersted in how that works feel free to ask. =P ill be working on vids and stuff this week and etc.. thx to <37 for posting the results, too fast for me. pics of the brackets were posted, but ill also post the full brackets eventually too.

Tiggy

10-20-2008, 02:45 PM

Easily the most popular station at SB3 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v211/Roseo_Chopper/DSC02001.jpg)

If I may say so....
FUCK YOU JASPER :mad:
You should've taken a pic during Saturday and Sunday BEFORE the tourney was over. lol The station wasn't Mahvel popular, but there were at least seven heads at a time. I even saw some people who didn't even play Arcana. Some people were even asking what the game was :sad:

:sad:

Good shit to Tiggy, Capps, and others for helping to hold down that Arcana station at least during all of SB3. I have to admit I was a little worried that Arcana would be able to get ran so good shit.

You guys should be thanking fugee for letting me have the setup. lol I just made sure he knew that I wanted the setup (cause he understands the whole thing about AH having a small community), and he gave me the ok. Really cool dude.

:rofl: This might explain why Tiggy got so many of dem Time Supers in his match vs Noel. :wink:

Alright, back home now and going to start compressing vids.

For your information, that pic was taken AFTER the tourney was over, when Chicago left and NY went on to conquer other gamez. Grr :mad: I was just trying to show Randy the Time combo, and was almost successful once. lol

Oh, and once you show me the correct method to Vdub compressing (cause I'm 99% sure I'll screw it up somehow), then I'll do that as I'm doing my homework today.

shoutoutz:

big thanks to tiggy for everything. basically, you made it happen for the ah community this weekend. cant thank you enough. and your lilica is much improved. i didnt see you play your secondaries at all, so no comment there.

other stuff: the brackets were entirely random. i used the quarter method to make the brackets.if youre intersted in how that works feel free to ask. =P ill be working on vids and stuff this week and etc.. thx to <37 for posting the results, too fast for me. pics of the brackets were posted, but ill also post the full brackets eventually too.

And thanks to you for making the brackets for the tourney. I have zero experience at doing it so far. You may have not seen it as a big deal, but I don't know if anyone else knew how to do good brackets...if you hadn't of stepped up, I probably would've tried to use the Tournament Maker and screwed it up somehow. lol So once again I thank you from the bottom of my Arcana-filled heart :lovin:

My Lilica on the other hand is a little better, especailly compared to FRXI. But I still managed to make last place four tourneys in a row, not counting ACen :rofl: Nas told me that I need to be more patient, and Bill told me that I need to work on mixups. I really don't know how to improve either of those with my current situation, but I'll start by making the training mode dummy BLOCK.

Oh, and to Rob....
I'm finally ditching my Christmas Lilica color for L1+O in US version :bgrin:

HeartNana

10-20-2008, 06:21 PM

10-20-2008, 06:24 PM

Chicago crew: I love you guys. I really do. You guys are definitely the only reason I play AH. You guys level up every time compared to me, it's ridiculous.

I hate Capps' Heart, but at the same time, I have to love it. His practice is paying off and his Heart is basically as creepy as Art's.

All I know is: I bodied Meta's Lilica. Forced him to run Liese in tourney against me.

@Tiggy: I don't hate Examu's products, it's just that I'm a reactionary player and I like to block a lot. I mean, I hadn't touched the game in like, months and it was pretty aggravating seeing myself dropping combos time and time again. But I managed to gain my muscle memory for Heel Kick loop and her air combo.

I think Liese makes me hate the game since her mechanics are pretty busted. And since I hate Eddie in GGAC, then I'll hate his daughter in AH.

Tiggy

10-20-2008, 06:33 PM

Lol, that's cool, Tom. I would even let you use my Valentine's day Lilica if you really wanted to. ;)

But yeah, nice job for basically making arcana happen at SB3. The community owes you, nice work. <3

OH NO, I don't want to deface your color with my current Lilica :shake:
And where do you get all these names from? lol
But it was no problem with the setup, I'm just glad fugee let me have it. I swear, he is so cool for letting me do that. Sunday when I came in at 12:30pm or so, he already had my huge ass TV set aside just for Arcana. He's too pro.

Chicago crew: I love you guys. I really do. You guys are definitely the only reason I play AH. You guys level up every time compared to me, it's ridiculous.

I hate Capps' Heart, but at the same time, I have to love it. His practice is paying off and his Heart is basically as creepy as Art's.

All I know is: I bodied Meta's Lilica. Forced him to run Liese in tourney against me.

HA HA oh shit. That's funny how you describe his Heart. lol
Ok, thanks for clearing that up DS. So you still love the loli?

I am going to try and start compressing the vids from Saturday casuals now. I plan on doing it until about 12am-1am this morning so I can make some type of progress cause I got a long way to go. lol

And I never got an answer from DS, Capps, and meta...how come you guys didn't like my desktop background? I like it. If it were Lilica there, I swear I'd go crazy.

10-20-2008, 06:43 PM

I still like the game. Lilica is the main draw for me. Heel kick loop is success with each hit.

AlterGenesis

10-20-2008, 06:44 PM

Sounds like it was pretty hype. Well, played people.

I don't know if I was supposed to laugh at the AH picture or not. :shake:

Farpenoodle

10-20-2008, 06:47 PM

Looks like even with all the drama surounding the other tournies you guys managed to hold what sounds like a pretty successful one for AH. Good shit.

NappyJin

10-20-2008, 07:01 PM

My match with Capps was fucking epic. The video will prove this.

Next time there will be more 360s for everyone, goddammit. >=[

meta

10-20-2008, 07:47 PM

GG's to everyone.

I'm not gonna lie, I'm pretty disappointed in myself about this weekend in the tourney. The two matches I knew I was going to have trouble with, I didn't come out on top. Fighting Kira feels like everything is a complete guessing game. I thought I played my Fiona perfectly against Frank's kira, but I found out she's either balls slow or just my reaction wasn't good enough to deal with the clashes into grabs, or insta 6d guard cancels into grabs. I thought I had a chance at air to air battles, but I found out that Kira can go into the air miles higher than Fiona can.

People were telling me that I should've used Liese. I have to say that that matchup is such a nightmare for Liese because she lacks range. So the way you'd have to deal with her is getting literally right next to her and spamming pokes or iad'ing j.a, but it's so risky because she can insta guard cancel forward and grab you or if not, insta guard canceling forward and 2b'ing right when you jump. Jumping in is the same scenario also. If I jump in j.a, Kira can force clash and you pretty much end up getting lightning daggered, grabbed when you land, or 2b'd if you decide to react to clash and homing in any direction. Frank's lightning dagger was on point the whole weekend, and would've probably been enough to deal with me. Liese's midscreen combo doesn't work on Kira either, so that's also a minus. After I played Frank with my Lilica, I can see why he hates that matchup. Homing j.b crossup is way too good and will allow you to avoid any of the problems you'd have with other characters because it completely disorients the Kira player and Lilica's normals like 2a spam can also prevent the Kira player from getting her 360 in, not to mention 2b and 2c have insane range that can allow you to 4d safely on reaction after seeing a 6d from Kira.

As for Kamui, jesus christ. Just turtle and j.a or j.b. That's all you need (well to beat me anyway). If you see someone coming in on you for a jump in, just jump up and j.b them into a beefy combo into a stupid knockdown. My match with Noel after he chose wind was a turtlefest. Kamui definitely has more range than Liese (with doll out) and he was reading all my random orbs perfectly. The times I did get hits in were when my doll was not in a perfect position, so I wasn't able to do any real damage. The last round went to him because I was slightly down on life and when I saw 6 seconds left on the clock, I had to attack him since I would've lost if I didn't. I think I died homing after him in the air, blocking his j.b which has infinitely more range than my j.a, and after I landed on the ground, it was game over because I wouldn't have had any time to do the amount of damage I needed to to win in time.

To the people I did beat Liese with in the tourney, the only reason I won was because you weren't used to dealing with her bullshit, so it froze you whenever you were trapped in the corner which allowed me to do whatever the hell I wanted. I know a couple of you guys play AH2, but she can do the exact same thing, but with less damage. Her damage and midscreen are weak, that's why she's bottom tier in AH2, but once you get in that corner, it's a guessing game. But, if anything, look for the opportunity where I force you into block, if you see me charging 6c then guard cancel forward and either throw or super. I can 4d at the right time to maybe get out of it, but if you catch me off guard, that's one of your best bets (or if you're Kamui just BC super me).

Capps, gg's the whole weekend. You were bodying me legitly at the beginning of the weekend that I was actually angry. Good job getting 2nd, you prevailed where I did not.

Orka, work on those tourney nerves. I swear to god you had DS beat, but you kept dropping your Maori's whip into death combo. I think in our Fiona vs Fiona series, you were coming out of top this time, you somehow started to read my Lilica correctly, so good job adjusting to that. Team wheelchair for life.

Nappy, good seeing you again. Your Lilica looked insanely scary during tourney. If you played like that during our Fiona vs Lilica mm, then you def woulda won. Luckily we had that mm when you were focused on the tekken tourney. lol.

Tiggy, good stuff with having AH available all weekend. Your mix was pretty good, I definitely liked the character select and vs splash screen music. Some of the stage music was pretty soft. I think me and orka came to a concensus that your mei-fang is definitely your best character. You had some crazy 70% dmg fire combo down perfectly. And she seemed way more consistent than your Lilica. All you need is 3 of those and you win the round (1 is burstable). As for when you use Lilica, abuse homing more. You get way more mileage than regular jumpins and air dashes. But you have to be careful with time though because you don't get homing back as fast as you would with a different arcana.

Nas, good shit. You proved to me that Fiona vs Kamui is an impossible matchup for Fiona. Fiona's strength is that she has range on her attacks, but Kamui completly matches up to it and does it 10x better. There were some times that I thought I had you, but that stupid plant vine came out of nowhere and grabbed me, lol.

DS, what the hell? Where'd those Lilica combos come from? I think my Lilica could take yours on if I did my combos properly, but I'll concede and say that yours is better for now. Good matches in ST.

Bill, good matches. Good job setting up a recording. Didn't get to play you with my Liese all weekend, sorry about that. I was having way too much fun with Fiona and Lilica on Saturday during casuals. I really wasn't feeling it with my Liese at the time.

Neko, gg's. Sorry I didn't play you with Liese either when you asked. I really wanted to play guilty gear at the time. Work those combos.

Noel, you probably don't read this, but you know what's up. lol. Good shit all around. You were probably the best person in dealing with Liese's doll, and definitely the only person I had to put the work in to figure out how to revive it. Your rock Kamui is complete garbage though, me and capps owned it for free. a different arcana makes your kamui 10x better.

Frank, I hate you with <3. I seriously learned Fiona just for that matchup alone. I know you suggested that my Liese would do better, but dunno. I really hate any match vs Kira. GJ on the amazing abuse of clash.

Necrosis, good stuff. Me and Orka came to the consensus that your Konoha leveled up a lot. Good job on learning that Gier bullshit. I think we also thought that if you learned Konoha's better combo, you would do much better. You'd have to ask Orka which combo that is though.

Justin, good shit winning the tourney. Too bad we didn't get to play, but I swear to god I had no idea what was going on when you were playing. Your Kamui looked stupid fast.

But guys, let's be serious for a moment. Forget this 'who is Andre?' business, it should be who is Ken? :rofl:

Capps Indigo

10-20-2008, 08:05 PM

^ omg, this totally destroys my shout out post. sorry guys, im no good at those. =P good stuff meta

someAzNdude

10-20-2008, 08:12 PM

But guys, let's be serious for a moment. Forget this 'who is Andre?' business, it should be who is Ken? :rofl:

:sad:

Why so srs?

orka

10-20-2008, 08:13 PM

Ken is still da best in my book

Also yea... tourney owns me; what's good?

Necrosis

10-20-2008, 08:19 PM

Necrosis, good stuff. Me and Orka game to the consensus that your Konoha leveled up a lot. Good job on learning that Gier bullshit. I think we also thought that if you learned Konoha's better combo, you would do much better. You'd have to ask Orka which combo that is though.

You have no idea how awesome it is to hear that, by the time I went to the hotel saturday I felt like I was going nowhere. I felt a lot better come tournament time on sunday but I was seriously considering giving up until AH2 after this tourney for a little while there.

Actually, funny story, I was going to learn the better combo earlier today. I haven't done that because I came up with my own combo while I was still TERRIBLE at IADs (before picking up Saki secondary and being forced to learn them), then learned Gier WITH that combo. I still don't know if my gier setup even works with the better combos. I'm literally looking it up once I finish posting this, gonna go learn it tonight if I can, too.

Bill307

10-20-2008, 08:51 PM

So I watched my MMs with Frank over again, and my god I was making a lot of big execution mistakes with Kira. :shake: So many air and ground grabs that never came out.

Then with Kamui, I kept doing the same small set of "mixups" over and over, instead of the wider variety that I stole from Arturo's match vids. :wink: At the very least, I should've stopped summoning Gier after a throw, and instead used the crossups I'd practiced over the previous week. But I think when Frank did 4D 720A+B vs one of my attempted crossups, that really shook me up and made me afraid to try it more frequently. >_< Also, I had numerous opportunities to land the Kira-specific combo I'd been practicing for hours specifically for that MM, but whenever I got an opening I always panicked and did B C super, even if I was standing right next to Kira. :shake:

Similar mistakes probably happened in my MM with Noel, too. In fact, I remember dropping every single combo I tried to do with Kira after only 4 hits. :sad: MM nerves FTL. Thankfully I got to rematch him in a casual bo3 right before the tourney (thanks for letting us, Capps), where I could finally relax and play a lot better. I got to catch Noel with my dropped boot loop tech bait, and Noel finally landed Kamui's level 3 counter super on someone. :razz:

meta: I totally know where you're coming from. By the way, there are even more reasons why Lilica is great vs Lightning Kira:
* Her 2B and 2C go under the clash dagger and often beat it clean!
* Lilica's 2B is fast, has great range, and doesn't clash with Kira's 5B.
* If she crosses up with j.B, a clash xx clash dagger will miss her.
* The blockstring 2A 2B jc IAD j.B with the right timing will randomly cross-up Kira's fat blob. You can do the j.B so early that Kira can't even 5A you out of it.
* 236A+B wins any clash war or 6GC attempt, unless Kira does a clash dagger. It even beats Kira's j.A in a clash war.
* 236A+B beats splash clean.

The only real disadvantage, IMO, is that Kira can burst just before a heel drop to get a free 720.

I think Lilica vs Kamui is also a pretty good matchup against Kamui. 2B beats almost all of Kamui's pokes (including 5B and 5C), 5B clashes with almost all of them, 2A needs a mid counter whereas 2B needs a low counter, and again the blockstring 2A 2B jc IAD j.B can randomly cross up Kamui. But, like Kira, Kamui can burst before a heel drop for an easy 421A+B super, or with precise timing a free 236A+B+C. Then again, I'm sure the free 421A+B after a well-timed burst applies to almost every character's combos against Kamui.

Bill307

10-20-2008, 09:00 PM

You have no idea how awesome it is to hear that, by the time I went to the hotel saturday I felt like I was going nowhere. I felt a lot better come tournament time on sunday but I was seriously considering giving up until AH2 after this tourney for a little while there.

Actually, funny story, I was going to learn the better combo earlier today. I haven't done that because I came up with my own combo while I was still TERRIBLE at IADs (before picking up Saki secondary and being forced to learn them), then learned Gier WITH that combo. I still don't know if my gier setup even works with the better combos. I'm literally looking it up once I finish posting this, gonna go learn it tonight if I can, too.
The combo almost everyone does goes like this:

2A 2B 2C > 623A > 6HC > 5B > jc IAD j.B > djc delay dj.C > land > (super?) jump > j.A j.B etc.

And the combo I use (because I'm terrible at the 6HC 5B part, and my IADs after the 5B aren't the greatest) is:

2A 2B 2C > 623B > 6[HC] hold D > delay as late as possible 5A 6B > jc j.B > djc delay > (dj.B vs bigger chars) dj.C > land > sj > j.A j.B etc.

Basically the same damage or a tad more, but avoids the need for an IAD or 6HC 5B. The downside is that the timing is pretty tricky, and I dropped this combo more often than not last weekend. :xeye:

Tiggy

10-20-2008, 09:41 PM

Tiggy, good stuff with having AH available all weekend. Your mix was pretty good, I definitely liked the character select and vs splash screen music. Some of the stage music was pretty soft. I think me and orka came to a concensus that your mei-fang is definitely your best character. You had some crazy 70% dmg fire combo down perfectly. And she seemed way more consistent than your Lilica. All you need is 3 of those and you win the round (1 is burstable). As for when you use Lilica, abuse homing more. You get way more mileage than regular jumpins and air dashes. But you have to be careful with time though because you don't get homing back as fast as you would with a different arcana.

But guys, let's be serious for a moment. Forget this 'who is Andre?' business, it should be who is Ken? :rofl:

Soft as in couldn't hear it, or soft as in it didn't fit the fighting game genre? I understand if it's the latter.
First Bill tells me that my Saki is infinitely better than my Lilica, then orka and yourself tell me that my Mei-Fang in my best character. Necrosis tells me before my losers' match that I should stick with Lilica because compared to the first time we fought I have gotten so much better. I honestly want to play all three (and more), but Lilica is definitely my worst character, even with all the work I have put in. Decisions, decisions......

Also, I MUST meet and play Ken before I'm 30. lol

The combo almost everyone does goes like this:

2A 2B 2C > 623A > 6HC > 5B > jc IAD j.B > djc delay dj.C > land > (super?) jump > j.A j.B etc.

And the combo I use (because I'm terrible at the 6HC 5B part, and my IADs after the 5B aren't the greatest) is:

2A 2B 2C > 623B > 6[HC] hold D > delay as late as possible 5A 6B > jc j.B > djc delay > (dj.B vs bigger chars) dj.C > land > sj > j.A j.B etc.

Basically the same damage or a tad more, but avoids the need for an IAD or 6HC 5B. The downside is that the timing is pretty tricky, and I dropped this combo more often than not last weekend. :xeye:

Necro and Bill, here's the combo you two should be doing, in video form:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F2V8bdujPMw (0:12)

Not sure if the air combo ender still works the same if you're doing the entire thing in the corner, nor do I really care. lol I rather dislike Konoha's character :wgrin:

I'm halfway done compressing vids, but currently cannot upload any to YouTube due to site maintenence. Gah.

nekohime

10-20-2008, 10:09 PM

Good games to everyone guys, I'm glad I came up there it was definitely worth the trip. You guys are all cool as hell and playing with you was a great experience. Had a lot of fun and learned a lot too.

Sorry I didn't get to make any vids, I brought my recording equipment but there weren't enough outlets to use it. Both the DVR and sound mixer for the mic require outlets and using 4 outlets for one station just wasn't gonna happen. Bill did ask me to provide commentary on his camera so I got to give commentary on a few matches, including both of his MMs with Frank.

As a couple people have already mentioned, halfway through my MM with Orka some random guy asked me to do a $5 MM. I was like, sure whatever after all it's just $5. When we started our match and Bill (who was recording) started calling him Justin I kinda got the feeling that I might be screwed:rofl:. After the match I asked Bill if that was the Justin Wong and when he said yes I was like HOLY SHIT! I remember Orka asked why I agreed to the match and I just said I didn't know who he was. Anyway it was fun and like Tiggy said a couple weeks ago, $5 to play a serious match with a much better player can only equal good exp for me so it was cool.

Okay I'm gonna try some shout outs here, deepest apologies if I forget anyone.

Tiggy- Like everyone else has said, thanks for making sure we has a secure setup for the weekend. What I was able to hear of your custom mix was good, but sadly there was too much noise to hear much when I was standing back watching. While I was playing I only really heard the character select and loading music (which were both good) but once the matches start I always tune out everything but the character sprites. Also I should have MMed your Time Lilica instead of your Gier Heart:lol:. I think your Heart really was better than mine, but I think having played Randy's Time Lilica so much gave me a little bit of an advantage in that matchup.

Bill- Thanks for the advice and encouragement. Even giving me some mid-match coaching during my MM with Justin. I didn't play your Kira (I think you were taking it easy on me playing random chars but thats ok) but it was a lot of fun. Was also really nice of you to listen to me ramble on all weekend as I was kind of in sensory overload from from having so much Arcana with such great comp. Hope you enjoy the commentary on your MMs.

Capps- I didn't really get to talk to you much but I want to say that watching you play Heart was really inspiring. I've seen you play in videos so I already knew your Heart was great but seeing it live was just awesome. I did notice that you played pink Heart this weekend instead of your usual color. I hope your not switching just because of me and I'm really sorry if I offended you with my response to your color match challenge. Also it was too bad our match got interrupted halfway, hopefully we can finish it at the next tourney:wink:.

Nas- I think you were the first person I played Saturday. I don't think I've ever seen Plant Kamui before so that was really interesting. Sorry I don't have much else to say except I look forward to playing you again and it was good to meet you.

Necrosis- I don't think I got to play you this weekend, we gotta fix that next time!

Orka- Those Maori combo's you got on me were beautiful man. When you were playing Time Maori and you went into her time combo I just couldn't bring myself to activate out of it because I wanted to see the whole thing. Good stuff man, good stuff.

Meta- Your Fiona beat me worse than anyone has ever beaten me, including Justin's Konoha. Seriously there were a couple rounds where I was so dumbstruck I didn't even activate, at least against Justin I tried to put up a fight. I also wanted to play your Lies since that was the only character (aside from Yoriko, whom nobody touched) I didn't get to play against. Maybe next time I'll get to take my turn being juggled in the corner by a suitcase and a doll:wink:.

BBHood- I don't remember if I played you or not, but I did see you session with Randy for a bit Sunday after the tourney. I know he had fun with that and probably learned a few things that I'll have to deal with next time I play him:smile: Anyway your Lilica is really good, keep it up.

Noel- I've seen a lot of jokes about you here on SRK but you're really good. Your Mei-Fang was really fun to play against, maybe next time I'll be worthy of your Earth Kamui.

NappyJin- I don't think I played you either but watching you pull those Lilica combos on pad was awesome.

DS- I only played you in the Tourney but good games man. I know you'd rather have been playing AH2 but I'm still glad I got to play you.

Radicaleward101- Hey, you were the guy who was asking me about AH while we were in line Saturday morning. Sorry you didn't get to try the game out this weekend but I'm glad to here you're interested in it. More people who like AH is always a good thing :tup:

Justin- good stuff man. That MM was fun even though I had no idea what I was getting myself into.

Once again it was an awesome weekend. I'm hoping I can make it to NEC but if not I hope to see you guys again at Final Round. Either way I'm gonna try to get more of my friends to come with me next time.

10-20-2008, 10:11 PM

DS- I only played you in the Tourney but good games man. I know you'd rather have been playing AH2 but I'm still glad I got to play you.

Eh, I'm on the fence with AH2 right now. I don't have a favorite character in the game, to be honest. I had a lot of fun playing AH1 this past weekend. Good stuff, though. It was fun seeing new faces joining the AH community. I just wish America wasn't so big so we could play each other every day.

HeartNana

10-20-2008, 10:44 PM

So good. Arcana players are awesome, you guys are all <3<3<3 and not like "fuck u man, i should have won dat, u suck, scrub" etc.

Glad to hear that everyone seemed to have such a good time. I havent really been to any tourneys here that I particularly enjoyed, so to see awesome tourneys still going on makes me realize that they do exist still, haha.

Bill307

10-20-2008, 11:13 PM

Bill did ask me to provide commentary on his camera so I got to give commentary on a few matches, including both of his MMs with Frank.
I noticed that, and I think it makes the videos a lot better. Thanks. :tup:

Anyway it was fun and like Tiggy said a couple weeks ago, $5 to play a serious match with a much better player can only equal good exp for me so it was cool.
I agree with this. After Arturo smashed me at C3 in May, I learned what it feels like to play against a top non-Japanese player like that, and now when I play Kamui I aim to put my opponent into the same position that Arturo put me into back then. E.g. Arturo somehow managed to stay just out of range of all my pokes and grabs as Kira, so I tried to do the same thing in my MM with Frank and it seemed to work really well.

I should've asked whether you wanted to face one of my best chars (Kira/Kamui) or one that I play casually only. I was kind of curious to see how you guys would do vs my other characters like Saki, Heart, Lilica, Liese, and Maori, though, so that I could compare it to how some of the guys here in Canada play against those chars of mine. Whenever I lost a match with one of those characters (or Konoha, who's my "semi-serious" character), I was pleasantly surprised. Even though I'm not good with those characters, don't think I didn't go all-out with them to win. :wink:

On a random note, I've noticed lots of people compliment my Kira but never say anything about my Kamui, lol. Is it actually significantly worse than my Kira, or does everyone just hate Kamui (which I totally understand)? :wink: 'Cause unlike my experience at T9 in July, this time my Kamui helped me out, vs Noel's Mei-Fang and vs Frank's Kira. I've noticed that I'm significantly better at Kira vs Lilica than Kamui vs Lilica, but other than that, I don't think there's such a big gap between the two. o.Oa

Orka- Those Maori combo's you got on me were beautiful man. When you were playing Time Maori and you went into her time combo I just couldn't bring myself to activate out of it because I wanted to see the whole thing. Good stuff man, good stuff.
Oh my god, that reminds me: when I saw Orka pick Time vs Frank in their MM, I thought to myself, well he has some really good Time Maori gimmicks, but he's losing his BnB because of the different 6HC. Then... I don't remember it exactly, but he did a rope, then a 6HC teleport, then a sister drop and it WORKED and I was like, "OMFG!" because I'd never seen that before. Too pro. :pray:

Edit:

Necro and Bill, here's the combo you two should be doing, in video form:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F2V8bdujPMw (0:12)
Here's the alternative combo I mentioned:
http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=FRRiiRliiAQ (0:13)

By the way, I was just watching your tournament match vs Noel, and at one point you had him in the corner just above the ground, and you were hitting him with 6[C] clones. If you'd done a normal 6C, it would've air-unblockabled him. You'll see what I mean when you see it. (too bad Youtube's under maintenance today =/ )

AlterGenesis

10-20-2008, 11:53 PM

When you play me don't use Kira. That will be good against my out of practice scrub self. ;)

chopa

10-21-2008, 07:15 AM

Yea the pic came from like the last 2 hours of the entire event. I got more but will upload em later, I basically just slept all day yesterday.
running a 16 man tourney on 2 tvs is much more doable than a 90 man on 2 tvs.
The vid I upped is from the tournament.

Hyperhal

10-21-2008, 07:47 AM

Chicago crew: I love you guys. I really do.

:amazed::woot::amazed::amazed::shake::confused:

Tiggy

10-21-2008, 08:10 AM

Here's the alternative combo I mentioned:
http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=FRRiiRliiAQ (0:13)

By the way, I was just watching your tournament match vs Noel, and at one point you had him in the corner just above the ground, and you were hitting him with 6[C] clones. If you'd done a normal 6C, it would've air-unblockabled him. You'll see what I mean when you see it. (too bad Youtube's under maintenance today =/ )

Oh ya, that combo is hawt, even for Konoha.
And regarding my match with Noel....rly?

Hal - I'm sorry for saying this, but that av is ugly yo :rofl:

The first vid from Saturday casuals is up:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Na8i5sgPDrA

Just keep checking back on my page, or recently uploaded vids in the search and you should see the others pop up.

EDIT: More vids:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJmf3-e9eCk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMcwM36qGEo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QeBujE7B7q4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lSvAmG6vPF4

I'm going to try and upload more before I go to work. I might have to compress more vids at work during my lunch break.

10-21-2008, 10:42 AM

I hope you guys got good vids of me doing combos. :sad:

Hyperhal

10-21-2008, 10:56 AM

I kinda wish I showed up, still hate AH1 though :arazz:

Tiggy its only showing an ugly character!

nicaboy

10-21-2008, 11:14 AM

good stuff guys cant wait for more vids im still waiting on the ones from the tourney i entered lol

nicaboy

10-21-2008, 11:20 AM

Here's the one vid of Arcana I took, as most were I believe captured by capps
JWong vs. Nekohime (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2CpeHYwYw9U)
shakey cam and all that, but not everyone gets the pleasure of a tripod.
EDIT: I played Mei Fang, badly.

yo neko you aint do half bad man good shit

Nastrodamus

10-21-2008, 11:26 AM

yea there vids running rampant everywhere.. major props to Cappa and bill for getting alot of matches

im gonna work on plant kamui.. (due to this giving me ideas for plant in AH2)

meta- the only time i even play that matchup was when long island joe played liese

and i think i was pretty even with him...but i think i have the idea on how to play that matchup... also on the fiona... i felt you that shoulda use more jb and J 2C... i don't think playing the ground game with fiona vs. kamui is great idea.... kamui's ground game is vastly superior to fiona... i think the air is a little better for her.. as jump 2C covers people on the ground very well... and jb is very good air to air move..

also i believe to me at least (japs are always gonna prove me wrong) but if you do manage to get random string on me.. like 2a or 2b.. you should try using 2b IAD ja jb... i know this helped alot against some kamui's plus leads to her bnb...

but yea fiona is alright... but it's like mostly an uphill battle for most matches... but it's diffiently winnable... shit my first start with AH1 was fire fiona.(thanks rob lol).. i felt i did play very well with her... but keep in mind it's mad rough for her in most fights ...

whew..

and BB hood is really solid... people tend to forget about him... but yo... he's mad solid in every game i've seen em play.. and AH is no different

im glad i got solid matches in with everyone... hopefully everyone steps the game up more ( like me :) )and comes to NEC.. if not .. ill be there to own up at ya'lls major lols

Neko. gots some good shit.. i saw him practicing after seeing what Andy did... GET HUNGRAY!!!!!

ANDRRRRRREEEEEE... WHY YOU SO FRAY!!? lol

EDIT: also if andy sees this.. GET ON DAT SHIT MANG.. YOU KNOW IM ALWAYS DOWN!!!

meta

10-21-2008, 11:48 AM

yea there vids running rampant everywhere.. major props to Cappa and bill for getting alot of matches

im gonna work on plant kamui.. (due to this giving me ideas for plant in AH2)

meta- the only time i even play that matchup was when long island joe played liese

and i think i was pretty even with him...but i think i have the idea on how to play that matchup... also on the fiona... i felt you that shoulda use more jb and J 2C... i don't think playing the ground game with fiona vs. kamui is great idea.... kamui's ground game is vastly superior to fiona... i think the air is a little better for her.. as jump 2C covers people on the ground very well... and jb is very good air to air move..

also i believe to me at least (japs are always gonna prove me wrong) but if you do manage to get random string on me.. like 2a or 2b.. you should try using 2b IAD ja jb... i know this helped alot against some kamui's plus leads to her bnb...

but yea fiona is alright... but it's like mostly an uphill battle for most matches... but it's diffiently winnable... shit my first start with AH1 was fire fiona.(thanks rob lol).. i felt i did play very well with her... but keep in mind it's mad rough for her in most fights ...!

Yea, I think the Fiona has to play perfectly though. I was running j.2c's throughout the match. I had to be at the perfect distance when I jumped in on you though otherwise you just jumped up and j.b'd me in the face if I was too close. If it clashed, I had to homing cancel forward over you otherwise I eat 3b. I didn't realize until a couple matches that Kamui pretty much eats Fiona alive on the ground, you whiff 3c or 5c, you get punished with Kamui's dash in, BC super. I think Kamui is the only character that can punish that fast from that distance (maybe lilica with dash in 2b 2c also). I tried to stagger some 2b strings in there, but your 5b just straight up beat mine out for that counter.

lol, you and your pixel of life left rounds, the game hates me.

Bill307

10-21-2008, 01:01 PM

Woah, Tiggy's uploaded a LOT of SB3 vids so far, in addition to the 5 he's linked us to here. :wow: I'm adding them all to a single playlist for AHF at SB3 here:

http://ca.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=7C4125DB41FC929B

I've also started uploading the vids I captured on Sunday.

chopa

10-21-2008, 01:30 PM

Sweet the game and a half where I mashed the wrong buttons to burst.

StyleTime

10-21-2008, 02:18 PM

I really wish I could have gone.:sad: It seems like you guys had so much fun and there's so many of you I want to play. Nekohime, we definitely need to meet up and play when you can. I hate that I didn't get to play you at IC2.

chopa

10-21-2008, 02:52 PM

My sb3 album. (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v211/Roseo_Chopper/SB3/?start=all)
pass is beatings3 if it asks

Nastrodamus

10-21-2008, 04:45 PM

Yea, I think the Fiona has to play perfectly though. I was running j.2c's throughout the match. I had to be at the perfect distance when I jumped in on you though otherwise you just jumped up and j.b'd me in the face if I was too close. If it clashed, I had to homing cancel forward over you otherwise I eat 3b. I didn't realize until a couple matches that Kamui pretty much eats Fiona alive on the ground, you whiff 3c or 5c, you get punished with Kamui's dash in, BC super. I think Kamui is the only character that can punish that fast from that distance (maybe lilica with dash in 2b 2c also). I tried to stagger some 2b strings in there, but your 5b just straight up beat mine out for that counter.

lol, you and your pixel of life left rounds, the game hates me.

i notice that too..

all the vids of me besides the rapage (or the new word ARPAGE) from bill.. all my casuals and the MM with tiggy were like my life was like barely a pixel.. who do i thank for that.. PLANT SON!!!! LIFE REGEN FTW

i hope more players start getting into it... AH1 GET HUNGRAY!!!

Bill307

10-21-2008, 05:08 PM

So good. Arcana players are awesome, you guys are all <3<3<3 and not like "fuck u man, i should have won dat, u suck, scrub" etc.
I think we all made a lot of mistakes last weekend that we regret. :sweat:

But at the same time, I think we all had some moments that we can be proud of, too. :smile: Most recently, I was watching Tiggy's MM vs Nas (http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=lSvAmG6vPF4): not only did Tiggy get a perfect with Saki in the 1st round, but at the end of the round he did a 214214D Lightning super and released it perfectly to zap Nas in the middle of Kamui's 41236C slide. :wow: That was really sick: I don't know if I would've been able to do that in his situation. :O

Bill307

10-21-2008, 05:16 PM

i notice that too..

all the vids of me besides the rapage (or the new word ARPAGE) from bill.. all my casuals and the MM with tiggy were like my life was like barely a pixel.. who do i thank for that.. PLANT SON!!!! LIFE REGEN FTW

i hope more players start getting into it... AH1 GET HUNGRAY!!!
:rofl:

Reminds me of this match, 4th round: http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=cIYGbHmJaWI (watch 5:00 - 5:10). Last round was pretty epic, too. :O

Edit: all the videos I recorded on Sunday are up, now:

http://ca.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=Bill307fighting

I also have the first 1.5 rounds of Jasper vs Justin Wong. I plan to delete it but Jasper, if you want me to upload it to sendspace.com or someplace for you to download then let me know.

orka

10-21-2008, 06:27 PM

Hey guys. I would liked to have done this earlier, but was just in no mood.

First, the bad stuff: I wan't feeling Maori at all. I didn't have much problem with zoning, but my combo just wasn't there. As a Maori player, when you get the dry spell of not being able to feel the clean hits, you're pretty much doomed. It's a bad news when you have trouble doing it on Lilica (who is one of the hard chars to do it on), but you know something is wrong when you're not consistently clean-hitting characters like Kamui and Mei-Fang. That's part of the reason why I played Fiona during most of the weekend.

I have a tendency to shrink during tourneys, but couple that with the fact that I just wasn't feeling it with Maori, it just went downhill from there. All props to Nappy and DS, though, who both I think played really solid against me during our tourney matches.

I joked it off the past two days, but in reality I was hurting pretty bad. :rofl: :shake:

Anyway, enough with my rant.

Capps - The way you played on Sunday was amazing. I didn't expect any less of you, but how you stepped up under pressure says a lot about your progression as a player. Much congratulations getting second!

meta - Team Wheelchair for life. Good job getting 4th, and don't be too hard on yourself. I think we had a chat about his couple of times over the weekend; much like my Maori, your Lieselotte somehow becomes a lot weaker at tourneys. Things would be much easier if our characters needed less micromanagement. :p

Tiggy - One of my favorite Midwest players. Thanks for manning the Arcana station all weekend! I was really impressed with your Lilica. You definitely improved your game since MWC. Your combos are better, and you had some new Time mix-ups up your sleeve. Looking forward to hanging out with you again.

DS - The only games we got in was during the tourney (in which you held your own really well), but we got to hang out a lot so that's what all matters to me. You were one lucky man: You got free combo at Raising Cane's, last minute hotel room, and top 8 in ST... What could you ask more for? :lol:

NappyJin - America's only (maybe the world's only) Lilica with the patented waterfall setup. That stuff works like magic, and your water grabs are always followed by a chorus of 'ohhhhhh' from the crowd and a cry of 'fuck you' from the player. And your real name is 'Chris'? wtf

Bill - It was nice meeting you, and it was good getting some games in with you. Your Kira is very good, and your Kamui was solid as well. I'm fucking scared of Kira, but it was definitely fun to watch you and Frank tear some matches up. Keep going what your guys have in Canada! You're the community's hope there. We shall meet again in the future.

Frank the Tank - Your Kira never ceases to amaze me! Ironically, I think I had some of my brighter moments with Maori during our MM. I thought I had shit in control at one point, but you came on top at the end. And now I know your weakness: custom soundtracks. :wink:

Nas - I'm not sure if I got to play with you a single game, but it was good seeing you nonetheless. Always a great sport, and got a unabashed enthusiasm for the game more than anybody else. I was surprised at how good your Kamui looked, since I hear you man Zenia in AH2. Much respect.

BB Hood01 - You're a cool man, and definitely loved the Lilica you got! We got front row seats during top matches in the tourney, and also got to play casuals at the same time!! You know, a year ago people used to say Rob was the only good Lilica in the States. Now we got all these solid Lilica players including yourself. It just says something about how we progressed as a community, regardless of how small we are.

Justin - Yea um, I love you but... you're a douche for hustling a unsuspecting newcomer for quick buck. As if you needed extra $5, lol. Your Kamui is always amazing to watch. Why so gdlk?

Noel - You thought you could run Mei-fang on us huh? Hurhur. Anyway, your Kamui looked great as usual. But like meta said, I think you were a lot better when you played Wind. I think a lot of people caught up to the Rock bullshit. I loved when you did 6[c] > Tempesta laser. That was heat. :tup:

Necrosis - You definitely stepped your game up, no joke. The stuffs you do seem relatively simple, but you have that mechanical consistency that make your Gier setups menacing. And like meta says, you really should get Konoha's IAD bnb down. Those will definitely win you more matches.

nekohime - My man nekohime, rocking the Henrietta shirt.You're definitely on the right path with the game, I think. Once you get your bnb with Heart down more consistently, and get some more player EXP, you could really go somewhere.

chopa - It was a pleasure meeting you! Sorry that I didn't know your name until late Sunday, haha. Sorry for playing cheap during casuals... with Maori, that cannot be helped. And thanks for the pics!

sumAzNdude - Sorry, I just didn't have the juice this weekend. :(

HeartNana - I love you for sending me doujinshi and ToHeart2 goods. :lovin:

SK - Sand.

Girl working at Raising Cane's - You make me more Cane sauce and I make you love.

Sabin - Srsly, who is Arturo? :amazed:

There was another Lilica player, but I couldn't remember your name. You definitely had some nice stuff, though.

In the end, I think what made this tourney in particular stand out from the other AH majors so far is the crop of new players that I saw. Regardless of how we're often seen as a small group, it definitely shows that the game can still grow in the States. I am definitely looking for better things to come once AH2 hits the consoles.

--

As for the Time Maori... yes, she gains new loop combos to compensate for her normal bnb. However, they're much harder and less consistent.

And I think nekohime was specifically referring to the Time freeze combo I did to him during casuals. I don't know how many people saw that, but I didn't play Time as much as I originally intended to.

Anyway, if anybody ever wants Maori tips, I will always be there to help (if you don't mind it coming from a scrub like me :p).

chopa

10-21-2008, 06:40 PM

Upload that shit, mostly as it I don't recall playing JWong?!
is it vs. a konoha?

Capps Indigo

10-21-2008, 08:58 PM

man, orka's shoutoutz also owned mine. =P ill work on them, and theyll be better next time, i promise. ^_^

neko, about the color thing. no need to worry about it. as far as im concerned the matter is settled. i did switch colors b/c i like PINCHO's color and i didnt want/need any more conflict from that issue. consider it a gift. =P it looks like bill switched to yellow ribbon heart. so we each have our own colors now. =P =P

ps progress is being made on the vids.

pps omg, my computer froze twice while typing this.. it took like 30 min just to make this post.. lol

Tiggy

10-21-2008, 09:17 PM

I kinda wish I showed up, still hate AH1 though :arazz:

Tiggy its only showing an ugly character!

Ha ha, ain't dat the truth!!

i notice that too..

all the vids of me besides the rapage (or the new word ARPAGE) from bill.. all my casuals and the MM with tiggy were like my life was like barely a pixel.. who do i thank for that.. PLANT SON!!!! LIFE REGEN FTW

i hope more players start getting into it... AH1 GET HUNGRAY!!!

I would anti-hype you, but I cannot even begin to hate. You've earned the right to say whatever you want after the ARPAGE you gave me this past weekend. And I hope AH1 will be like Street Fighter Alpha 3 in the future, where people will be playing SF4 and 3S, but they will still come back to play Alpha 3 once in a while.

I think we all made a lot of mistakes last weekend that we regret. :sweat:

But at the same time, I think we all had some moments that we can be proud of, too. :smile: Most recently, I was watching Tiggy's MM vs Nas (http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=lSvAmG6vPF4): not only did Tiggy get a perfect with Saki in the 1st round, but at the end of the round he did a 214214D Lightning super and released it perfectly to zap Nas in the middle of Kamui's 41236C slide. :wow: That was really sick: I don't know if I would've been able to do that in his situation. :O

To tell the truth, I was like, "WTF that actually hit him?!? Oh well, random air hits into 623C into 236A+B supa!"

Oh yeah, and thanks for organizing the vids into a playlist! I had absolutely no intention of doing that! lol I still have more to upload, believe it or not.

Hey guys. I would liked to have done this earlier, but was just in no mood.

First, the bad stuff: I wan't feeling Maori at all. I didn't have much problem with zoning, but my combo just wasn't there. As a Maori player, when you get the dry spell of not being able to feel the clean hits, you're pretty much doomed. It's a bad news when you have trouble doing it on Lilica (who is one of the hard chars to do it on), but you know something is wrong when you're not consistently clean-hitting characters like Kamui and Mei-Fang. That's part of the reason why I played Fiona during most of the weekend.

I have a tendency to shrink during tourneys, but couple that with the fact that I just wasn't feeling it with Maori, it just went downhill from there. All props to Nappy and DS, though, who both I think played really solid against me during our tourney matches.

I joked it off the past two days, but in reality I was hurting pretty bad. :rofl: :shake:

Anyway, enough with my rant.
Tiggy - One of my favorite Midwest players. Thanks for manning the Arcana station all weekend! I was really impressed with your Lilica. You definitely improved your game since MWC. Your combos are better, and you had some new Time mix-ups up your sleeve. Looking forward to hanging out with you again.

There was another Lilica player, but I couldn't remember your name. You definitely had some nice stuff, though.

Anyway, if anybody ever wants Maori tips, I will always be there to help (if you don't mind it coming from a scrub like me :p).

Where to start:

- I was fucking disgusted with myself not being able to hit FS completely. After I lost to Nas in the tourney, I was really upset, thinking after all that practice, I still managed to make dead last four tourneys in a row. But after thinking about it, you don't win tourneys through persistence and "the most improved player recognition award". You win by practicing, improving your areas of weakness, and learning to truly focus on what you're pressing. Which I cannot seem to do with Lilica :mad: We are all in it to win it when it comes down to it, and I can't seem to win with Lili. More on this at the end of my post.

- No problem on the setup! I was determined to get at least that for the weekend. Yes, my Lilica has improved drastically. I remember Necrosis telling me that I have come such a long way with Lili...if he's thinking about the first time we met back in January at Ohayocon, then YES, my Lilica now is Rob-like comparable to that point and time. lol

- The other Lilica player you're referring to is Kyle. He was at SB2 last year and just played Saki. I saw a little of your match with him and was like, "Fuck, everyone can just pick up Lilica and perform well except me." lol

- You're not a scrub, you understand the game the best among those that don't have Japan experience, which is A LOT of us.

OK, now time for my little rant:
After thinking about what Necrosis said (about my Lilica coming a long way), Bill (about my Saki), and orka and meta (about my Mei-Fang)...I have ultimately decided that the whole "character love" theory doesn't apply to me when I pick Lilica. I have tried very hard to improve on her, but I just cannot seem to get it down. I even have a couple of vids of me doing the hardest Lili combos I could think of. It's just that consistency is just not going to happen with her. I focus very very hard when trying to do FS and such, but it just doesn't happen. Therefore, I think I'm going to have to take a "break" from Lilica for a while, and practice Saki and Mei-Fang, my quote-unquote "best characters". It usually goes against my aesthetics to use a character just because they're easy or do big damage easily, but like I said before, we're ultimately in it to win it. If I go to NEC (which I'm going to try very hard to do), I'll just use those two in the AH1 tourney if it happens, and see if I can break my curse of dead-last. I may still use Lilica in casuals, but that's as far as it goes.

OK..now that that's over, I'm going to spend about an hour uploading and compressing the remaining vids before I go to bed. I apologize for the ultra long post.

Master Chibi

10-21-2008, 09:28 PM

chopa

10-21-2008, 09:37 PM

Does anyone have the vid where lilica supered outta ( I wanna say it was Noel's) Kamui counter super?
cause that was the best thing I saw all weekend after Fist or Twist.

Hyperhal

10-21-2008, 09:43 PM

Pick up Yoriko

Bill307

10-21-2008, 10:27 PM

Upload that shit, mostly as it I don't recall playing JWong?!
is it vs. a konoha?
Hmmm actually, I'm not sure whether this Mei-Fang is Justin Wong or you. The matchup is Dark ME vs Dark KO. The Konoha is definitely Necrosis since he did Necrosis's combo.

http://www.sendspace.com/file/r729sz

Does anyone have the vid where lilica supered outta ( I wanna say it was Noel's) Kamui counter super?
cause that was the best thing I saw all weekend after Fist or Twist.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Q6-CPK89Dc (at 6:30)

Note that after Kamui gets a counter on the ground, she can cancel it into either of her ground supers or into the level 3 super. I've seen a cancel into 236A+B before, and the level 3 counter super, but Noel went for the level 3 and somehow got Kodama (63214A+B) instead, which was pretty much useless. :lol:

... Now that I think about it, I don't know if you can cancel her air counters into j.421A+B, but I imagine you can.

10-21-2008, 10:30 PM

I gotta stop losing to skisonic in tourney. :sad:

Bill307

10-21-2008, 10:51 PM

After thinking about what Necrosis said (about my Lilica coming a long way), Bill (about my Saki), and orka and meta (about my Mei-Fang)...I have ultimately decided that the whole "character love" theory doesn't apply to me when I pick Lilica. I have tried very hard to improve on her, but I just cannot seem to get it down. I even have a couple of vids of me doing the hardest Lili combos I could think of. It's just that consistency is just not going to happen with her. I focus very very hard when trying to do FS and such, but it just doesn't happen. Therefore, I think I'm going to have to take a "break" from Lilica for a while, and practice Saki and Mei-Fang, my quote-unquote "best characters". It usually goes against my aesthetics to use a character just because they're easy or do big damage easily, but like I said before, we're ultimately in it to win it. If I go to NEC (which I'm going to try very hard to do), I'll just use those two in the AH1 tourney if it happens, and see if I can break my curse of dead-last. I may still use Lilica in casuals, but that's as far as it goes.
(Btw, I didn't see any/many of your Mei-Fang games, so I'm not sure how it compares to your Saki.) I agree with Chibi that Mei-Fang is boring to use, personally, but I think Saki is pretty fun on the offensive. (*thinks about how many wake-up flashkicks he ate in one of our casuals...* :lol: :sweat:)

Anyway, if you're playing to win, then IMO you should just stick to Lilica's heel-drop loop for big damage, and create an easier version of her time bullshit. I mean, you don't need to do the perfect flashkick + OTG + time ball setup to get a free combo off the time super. If I were you, I'd just heel drop them a few times and knock them into the corner, then block for a few extra seconds until the rest of the timer runs out. You'll probably have to practice hitting them with j.C when they freeze in the air, then continuing the combo with 5A, etc. on the ground, but that's probably a lot easier to do than all those flash steps.

It's one of the reasons why I prefer AH over 3s, actually: the fact that combos aren't "all or nothing" like hit-confirming supers in 3s. That is, if you can't execute the best combos reliably, then you can always invent your own easier combos and use those when you're playing to win. In fact, I think inventing your own combos is part of the fun of learning Arcana Heart. :smile:

Heck, it's probably the biggest reason why my friend strakka loses so many games against me: he insists on trying to do that FS combo every time, when if he settled for a heel drop loop he'd get an easy 50% on me instead of the 15% or so he tends to get before dropping the FS combo. (Not to mention that sometimes when he drops it, I get a free 720 on him...)

Anyway, since you've spent so much time playing with Lilica, I suggest taking a temporary break from her for a bit and using Saki and Mei-Fang in casuals instead. Even the best of lovers need time away from each other on occasion. :wink: But I would not suggest dropping her for tournies and MMs. Honestly, I bet if you learned and used some easier combos with Lilica, then she'd be much better than your Saki and your Mei-Fang, because your damage output with Lilica is the main thing holding her back imo, and you have much more experence with her compared to the others (not to mention the extra character love!). Although I must admit, I found your mixups and rushdown with Saki to be better than your mixups and rushdown with Lilica.

Tiggy

10-21-2008, 11:51 PM

Man, fuck Saki and Mei-Fang, those two damn characters play so alike in AH1 it'll bore you to death.

Suck it the fuck up and stick to Lilica. Don't bitch out because of a few tournaments. You've shown improvement, so keep going forward. Running to brain dead, boring ass characters like Saki or Mei-Fang is only going to hold you back and not garner you anything in the long run if you aim to continue getting better in this game.

I play wind Fiona for fuck sakes, I lose at the god damn character select screen, and I still like me over everyone.

Just keep at it.

:lovin:

I was worried until I saw the :lovin: at the end.

Pick up Yoriko

I can't do her Love Laser combo to save my life, or any Yoriko combos for that matter. But at least I can do pents sometimes. lol

(Btw, I didn't see any/many of your Mei-Fang games, so I'm not sure how it compares to your Saki.) I agree with Chibi that Mei-Fang is boring to use, personally, but I think Saki is pretty fun on the offensive. (*thinks about how many wake-up flashkicks he ate in one of our casuals...* :lol: :sweat:)

Anyway, if you're playing to win, then IMO you should just stick to Lilica's heel-drop loop for big damage, and create an easier version of her time bullshit. I mean, you don't need to do the perfect flashkick + OTG + time ball setup to get a free combo off the time super. If I were you, I'd just heel drop them a few times and knock them into the corner, then block for a few extra seconds until the rest of the timer runs out. You'll probably have to practice hitting them with j.C when they freeze in the air, then continuing the combo with 5A, etc. on the ground, but that's probably a lot easier to do than all those flash steps.

It's one of the reasons why I prefer AH over 3s, actually: the fact that combos aren't "all or nothing" like hit-confirming supers in 3s. That is, if you can't execute the best combos reliably, then you can always invent your own easier combos and use those when you're playing to win. In fact, I think inventing your own combos is part of the fun of learning Arcana Heart. :smile:

Heck, it's probably the biggest reason why my friend strakka loses so many games against me: he insists on trying to do that FS combo every time, when if he settled for a heel drop loop he'd get an easy 50% on me instead of the 15% or so he tends to get before dropping the FS combo. (Not to mention that sometimes when he drops it, I get a free 720 on him...)

Anyway, since you've spent so much time playing with Lilica, I suggest taking a temporary break from her for a bit and using Saki and Mei-Fang in casuals instead. Even the best of lovers need time away from each other on occasion. :wink: But I would not suggest dropping her for tournies and MMs. Honestly, I bet if you learned and used some easier combos with Lilica, then she'd be much better than your Saki and your Mei-Fang, because your damage output with Lilica is the main thing holding her back imo, and you have much more experence with her compared to the others (not to mention the extra character love!). Although I must admit, I found your mixups and rushdown with Saki to be better than your mixups and rushdown with Lilica.

I have been thinking about Xlenz's suggestion to use 236A > A+C, now that I finally understood what he meant. I will try it next time I practice. But if that doesn't work out for me -- being the stubborn idiot I am -- I'll continue to do things the hard way. :sad:

Currently, I'm multi-uploading about 15 vids or so. There are only 11 more vids left after these, thank God. Included in those are the long-awaited Team Wheelchair VS Team Midwest Lilica matches, and the only recorded match that chickenfat played. Stay tuned!

nekohime

10-22-2008, 05:29 AM

Tiggy- Play who you want, your char is your choice and I don't think anyone will stop you if you decide to switch. If you do stick with Lilica, then I would do as Bill suggested and learn some easier combos while you work on the Time loop. No offense to HeartNana (cause he's awesome:lovin:) but there may be a chance that watching what he does with Time Lilica puts pressure on other Time Lilica players to focus too much on that Time combo. It's a really good combo and I respect anyone with the dedication to learn and if you keep practicing long enough you will be able to do it in a match... eventually. In the meantime your probably going to play a lot of matches, both casual and tourney. When it comes to those matches you need something that you can do consistently and a completed simple combo will give you a much better chance at winning than a dropped advanced one. So keep practicing that time loop, but have a backup to use until you master it.

orka

10-22-2008, 06:31 AM

Was my MM with Frank recorded?

chopa

10-22-2008, 07:42 AM

If that mei fang is winning and hitting combos its not me, pretty sure it was either noel or Justin.

Tiggy

10-22-2008, 08:25 AM

nekohime - Once I hook up my PS2 again and decide to practice, I'll work on altering dat combo and see if it helps. As of right now though, I think I may be too busy to actually sit down and play. Like right now, I need to start getting ready for school. lol

orka - Yeah, I just haven't uploaded it yet.

Frank the Tank

10-22-2008, 08:35 AM

I'm gonna have to cite Rob's "Character love" argument here in advising Tiggy (and everyone else; meta, I'm looking at you) to play who you love to play. It's truly the only reason I went to Kira in the first place, and I was a couple of bad plays away from knocking Justin into losers on Sunday. This game is built to the point where player skill matters much more than character ranking, so as long as you learn your character and your matchups you should be okay. Learn clashes, as well. Chibi is proof of how important that they can be; he knows clashes very, very well.

All in all, good shit to everyone at SB3. This tournament was too much fun, and there were people playing Arcana at all hours. I'll give more detailed shouts when I get done playing this hellish game of catchup with school I've gotten myself into.

meta

10-22-2008, 09:30 AM

You can love multiple characters. I've been using Fiona for quite a while after FR, so I'd say she legitly has my love. Orka and Capps can attest to that. Lilica is a whore, so over the past two weeks we had some fun in training mode. I was actually planning on using Fiona for the tourney, but I got knocked into losers and risked getting beat by DS, so I couldn't have that.

Anyway, some matchups are definitely harder than others. Take for example my Fiona. I really really like using Fiona, but no matter what I did when I played against Rob's Time Lilica, it was literally impossible to win. If any one of her moves gets backdashed, you eat full life bar time combo and die. But that's a pretty extreme example.

But stuff like learning how to use Liese against your Kira, when I think about the gameplan, it seemed really hard and a million things could go awry in your favor. One of the biggest problems is that I used lightning, and I think clashes would be in your favor. I don't really have a Kira to play against so I don't know the matchup too well, but when I watched vids of Liese vs Kira, I'm like :sad:.

The gameplan I thought about for Fiona seemed pretty solid to me. Run away j.2c, j.b, 623 whenever I thought you would grab or see a guard cancel foward, jump up and attack you when you body splash or fire explode if you come down on me when you body splash. There were a couple things that happened that I didn't expect, like a million clashes when I jumped in and attacked or that I wouldn't be able to jump as high as you in the air so I ended up always below you.

My whole gameplan for Liese is put the opponent in blockstun, set orb. The problem with this (which got me raped by you at FR), was you just guardcanceled forward and grabbed me because Kira has ridiculous throw range. Even if I 4D'd to dodge the grab, I'd still get grabbed. If I want to jump, well then you'd start feeling that out and start doing air grab. What's nice with other characters is that Lilica can uppercut when she things Kira will grab, and Kamui can 4D circle slash thing if she thinks you can grab. Liese doesn't have options like those (well 4D orb, but the doll gets owned anyway). Anyway, in order to fight Kira, I'd have to completely change how I play Liese, which I think I know what to do with her. I don't have a Kira to regularly practice against and it's not like there's a bunch of people who play this game anyway, (I fight against a Kira what? 2 days out of the year? (the number of major I attend) so instead of doing that and learning that matchup, I just thought I'd use Fiona and the playstyle I use with her applies to most characters. I'm also stuck in nowhere country right now for school and have absolutely no one to play with so meh.

Dunno, if we ever meet again we should get mad casuals and you can watch me scream in anguish as I try to figure it out. Who knows, maybe it's stupid simple for me and I'm just being a moron avoiding the fight.

As far as which character Tiggy should use. I was just going on principle of whatever character he was most consistent with. When I played him, he didn't drop any combos with Mei-Fang. If he really really likes Lilica, then there's no other option, he should play Lilica. I think Rob mentioned that he was winning a lot more with Mei-Fang in Japan when he first started playing, but he really liked Lilica as a character, so he figured stuff out and did pretty awesome.

Word.

Hyperhal

10-22-2008, 09:38 AM

american ah1 tier lists as of sb3

SSSSS:kamui,
a: heart, kira, fiona, saki
b: liese, konoha, character love
c: maori, lilica, meifang
not on character select screen: yoriko

this is an accurate list compiled from recent tourney results and overall character usable

orka

10-22-2008, 10:03 AM

meta is pretty much right on target with Fiona with past several posts of his.

Not gonna go into specifics since I'm at work right now, but with Fiona you pretty much don't have the luxury of running your game. It's more so a matter of looking for flaws in the opponent's game and exploiting them if they match any of Fiona's strengths. And when I refer to 'game,' I'm talking about the way they play; character-to-character Fiona definitely loses to the entire cast with maybe exception to Yoriko.

I won a lot of matches playing Fiona over the weekend, but note that I was exploiting specific weaknesses that I noticed in people. Most of the games still took me significant amount of concentration, and certain match ups like Kamui and Lilica feel nearly impossible at times. meta and I play slightly differently, but pretty much follow the same strategy and mindset.

And yea, aside from few execution mishaps, I would say that meta that all he could to fight against Frank's Kira in the tourney. Kira just turns out to be vastly superior, even in a low-tier vs. low-tier match up like that.

Sabin

10-22-2008, 10:09 AM

Bill307

10-22-2008, 10:12 AM

Tiggy beasting with those video uploads. :wow:

Who's Yoriko?

meta

10-22-2008, 10:51 AM

Lieselotte is still by far the best char in the game, though :/ Ony thing is, shes a thinking mans character, which is why some matchups like Kira:s seem difficult. You always gotta think 3 steps ahead whereas Kira usually has that 0-level yomi with her command grab.

I will say, and I should've been saying this otherwise Arturo will keep thinking I'm a scrub for making it sound like Liese is at disadvantage when I say stuff, but I agree that Liese is def the best char in the game (yes, way better than Kamui and Kira even though I complain about them). My complaints are just me thinking out loud at my scrub Liese level. This is a good thing cuz then people can give me tips and whatnot (not that anyone else plays Liese anyway to help me out or that there's any real discussion on this board or IRC). I know there's a crazy shit ton of things I can change in my game to make my Liese better and plenty of things I've seen Liese do that I can't do yet in jp vids. So my Liese is definitely not at beast level yet.

And I really do think it comes down to, like Frank said, knowing your character really well and matchups pretty well too which comes with fighting other people and/or watching lots and lots of video.

10-22-2008, 10:57 AM

All I know is, I forgot how to fight Konoha this tourney and ski managed to squeak one out. GRRRRRRRRRR, ski! :mad:

meta

10-22-2008, 11:15 AM

Since I was bored sitting in the computer lab waiting for my next class, I checked out youtube for Liese vs Kira vids and found some vids of Liese owning Kira. I was like 'oh man, I want to try this', then I realized that I won't get to play against a Kira for like half a year and I probably won't care anymore. And maybe by then AH2 will drop on console and no one will give a crap about AH1.

So sad. :sad:

Bill307

10-22-2008, 11:52 AM

Honestly, I wouldn't mind travelling to Windsor/Detroit next month for a weekend of Arcana. But anything farther than that is when price and especially travel time start to get uncomfortably high (since I don't drive and take trains or buses).

Price is about $100 for a Greyhound ticket round trip to/from Detroit, though I'll see if I can get a student discount on that. Time is about 5 hours each way. Sounds costly, but it's really about the same as 2 trips to and from Toronto for me, so I'll just have to skip going there for a while (sorry altergenesis and MDK: you guys are welcome to come to Waterloo, tho :wink:).

Unfortunately, I still won't have any Kira players to play against there. =/

Edit: it'd be so awesome if we could get a car of Canadian AH players there, but I don't know any (active) AH players who drive. :sad:

nicaboy

10-22-2008, 12:33 PM

Pick up Yoriko

why do i love this guy avatar
edit yoriko:rofl: i play her a lil bit she is fun

FaceMeAndBeBroken

10-22-2008, 12:44 PM

The AH guiys at SB3 seemed to be quite douchebags. I guess recording every match between the same 4 people was more important than letting people in. Good way to keep interest in the game.

Nastrodamus

10-22-2008, 12:53 PM

The AH guiys at SB3 seemed to be quite douchebags. I guess recording every match between the same 4 people was more important than letting people in. Good way to keep interest in the game.

um you coulda just ask who was next and jumped right in...i dunno what happen in your case... but i know they are good people and woulda let ya jump in... you obviously didn't say anything on the matter or else it would've been brought up...

SAY NEXT!!! that's all you would've had to say.. or ask for the rotation... like damn is it really that hard?

:confused:

nicaboy

10-22-2008, 12:58 PM

orka

10-22-2008, 01:17 PM

The AH guiys at SB3 seemed to be quite douchebags. I guess recording every match between the same 4 people was more important than letting people in. Good way to keep interest in the game.

In all seriousness, it's nobody's fault but your own if you're too shy to ask for games during casuals. Many people spectate around various games that they don't play... and we have no way of telling if you want to play or not.

I'm personally all about letting new people play each other. I repeatedly gave up my seat over the weekend when I was the winning player, just so certain people can play each other.

Then again, I don't know who you are and not sure if I was by the Arcana station when you were around.

10-22-2008, 02:04 PM

Tiggy

10-22-2008, 02:45 PM

The AH guiys at SB3 seemed to be quite douchebags. I guess recording every match between the same 4 people was more important than letting people in. Good way to keep interest in the game.

I regulated casual rotation for a little bit Saturday, then let everyone do their own thing after a while. I let newcomers or people who hadn't played yet ahead of those who had played already, and there were no complaints. Just as orka, I let people in front of me. And just as Nas said, all you have to do is open your mouth and ask about rotation, or ask if you can play since you haven't played yet. We in the AH community are open people, and nice in general. But you'll make us Kira angry with posts and negativity such as this.

And those recorded matches BTW were GDLK and EPIC :looney:

In regards to what Frank and meta said, I will still practice Lilica obviously. I'm still gonna take that 'break' I mentioned, but that doesn't mean me and Lili are done with training mode.

And thank you for that American AH1 tier list Hal. I didn't know character love was B-Tier.

After I get done eating, I'll put the remaining vids from Saturday up on YT for all to enjoy.

Bill307

10-22-2008, 02:47 PM

The AH guiys at SB3 seemed to be quite douchebags. I guess recording every match between the same 4 people was more important than letting people in. Good way to keep interest in the game.
Did you ask to play? Or even speak to anyone at the station?

I'm going to assume you never spoke to any of us, since you're here calling us douchebags...

<end Kira rage>

By the way, I predict Lilica becoming S tier in America soon. I think she has a lot of potential that we haven't even begun to tap yet ('cept for maybe Rob). :looney: She's just low-tier right now because her combos are so much harder.

Capps Indigo

10-22-2008, 03:16 PM

Master Chibi

10-22-2008, 04:18 PM

Learn clashes, as well. Chibi is proof of how important that they can be; he knows clashes very, very well.

I'm the fucking clash king :lovin:.

EXCEPT WHEN I PLAY AGAINST KIRA

Hey Frank, Fiona wise, who you like best?

Me? Meta? Orka (pffft)?

:3

Tiggy

10-22-2008, 04:33 PM

lol guys.. why are you taking hal's 'tier list' so seriously. he didnt even put what he was basing if off on. 'recent tourney results'? the only recent tourney was sb3.. maybe evo. plus theres only been a handful of tourneys total period.

as for char choice. it's all up to the player to decide who he plays. basically, play who you want to play. that by itself is the definition of char love. go ahead and listen to what other ppl have to say, but in the end, play the char you want to play, and for whatever reason.

lol All I said was I didn't know that character love was B-tier.

I'm the fucking clash king :lovin:.

:rofl: GOLD

Alright peeps, the one you were waiting for:
Team Midwest Lilica VS Team Wheelchair

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8AxqEivXi4 (Tiggy VS orka)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zeg2Borj2C4 (NappyJin VS meta)

meta

10-22-2008, 04:47 PM

I'm the fucking clash king :lovin:.

EXCEPT WHEN I PLAY AGAINST KIRA

Hey Frank, Fiona wise, who you like best?

Me? Meta? Orka (pffft)?

:3

:shake:

We don't even play the same character. You play wind, I play fire, and orka uses Gier. Compleeeettely different.

I spam 3c unblockables, orka sits in one spot with gier right below him, and you probably jump around like a foo with them double dashes and j.b and j.2c spam.

lol All I said was I didn't know that character love was B-tier.

:rofl: GOLD

Alright peeps, the one you were waiting for:
Team Midwest Lilica VS Team Wheelchair

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8AxqEivXi4 (Tiggy VS orka)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zeg2Borj2C4 (NappyJin VS meta)

Nice, Nappy dropped every single combo. My Fiona was too hot to handle. I so should've lost. Team Wheelchair too much.

someAzNdude

10-22-2008, 04:55 PM

Good shit to Team Wheelchair, that was freeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

Tiggy

10-22-2008, 05:04 PM

Nice, Nappy dropped every single combo. My Fiona was too hot to handle. I so should've lost. Team Wheelchair too much.

Wait...what? You should've lost? Buh? I noticed Nappy dropping those combos too. I'm beginning to think that his comment about dropping every combo on purpose wasn't a joke after that match. lol

Good shit to Team Wheelchair, that was freeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

:sad:
If Rob had've used PayPal and sent me his skillz, we wouldn't of been in that predicament. But NNNOOOOOOOOO, I had to improve on my own. lol

All vids from Saturday are up, with the exception of one because it was super blurry (Kyle VS Bill). Bill, PM me the matches you want me to send you so I can hurry up and free up my hard drive space. lol

10-22-2008, 05:14 PM

Team Wheelchair is bunz.

citiofbrass

10-22-2008, 05:28 PM

man watching lilica lose so much like that juss pissed me off >: - O

practice the skiing guys

Bill307

10-22-2008, 05:39 PM

Tiggy, is that all the matches? Assuming it is, this playlist now has everything I recorded on Sat + Sun:

http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=7C4125DB41FC929B

77 videos.

I'll add Capps's videos to it as well once he starts uploading them (Frank vs Noel FT5 for $20, and the tournament).

I'm really glad we had THREE potential video recorders plus Tiggy's laptop for extra space, so we wouldn't be stuck with the question of deleting casuals and MMs for tournament matches or keeping the casuals only.

Nice, Nappy dropped every single combo.
Sounds like the combo I used in my MM vs Noel:

5B > 6HC > 2A j.A j.C > forget dash-jump timing > drop soap

Every. Single. Time. :shake:

Just thankful Capps let me rematch him in casuals on Sunday.

Tiggy

10-22-2008, 05:43 PM

koolaidsmile - Nappy doesn't need too much practice. He was more focused on Tekken when we did that Team MM. I, on the other hand, am just too free :rofl:

Bill - With the exception of the match bewteen you and Kyle (it was mad blurry), all vids are FINALLY uploaded. Uploading vids to YouTube is NOT fun.

This, by far, is my favorite vid of the MMs:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7CcA65jDR4

I just got done laughing. No, wait...I'm still laughing.

orka

10-22-2008, 06:46 PM

:shake:

We don't even play the same character. You play wind, I play fire, and orka uses Gier. Compleeeettely different.

I spam 3c unblockables, orka sits in one spot with gier right below him, and you probably jump around like a foo with them double dashes and j.b and j.2c spam.

This is true.

I love me some super Gier guard crush set ups and 623d into air combos also... and last but not least, chopping foos after super Gier grab for cheap damage. :)

Team Wheelchair is bunz.

Shut yo ass up.

This, by far, is my favorite vid of the MMs:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7CcA65jDR4

I just got done laughing. No, wait...I'm still laughing.

Thanks. One of the few vids where my Maori doesn't look like complete ass. I actually had a lot of fun that match.

I think I was in control, and I regret switching to Time after I lost one game. Gimmicks didn't work as well as I expected, and I had trouble hitting my combos. Shoulda gone straight to Diu Mort or Gier.

NappyJin

10-22-2008, 07:01 PM

If I had known that I wasn't going to be called up to play my next Tekken match in over three hours, I would've raped both of you and given the money back out of pity.

But that didn't happen. Oh, well. My tourney play was satisfactory enough, as far as I'm concerned.

Also, yeah, orka I have a white guy name, lol.

Bill307

10-23-2008, 01:06 AM

Learned two things tonight:

1. Lilica's 623C has lower-body invincibility only: air attacks beat it.

2. There's a bug with Wind Kira where, if you do 623x to toss them from one side to the other, then do the 236236D Wind super, the super will end all of a sudden after only 2-3 sonic booms. o_O

AlterGenesis

10-23-2008, 07:40 AM

:rofl:

Time Maori is so scammy.

I call Fiona for S-Tier. wwwwwwwww

nicaboy

10-23-2008, 12:43 PM

:rofl:

Time Maori is so scammy.

I call Fiona for S-Tier. wwwwwwwww
so im not the only one eho plays her yes :rofl:

nekohime

10-23-2008, 01:31 PM

so im not the only one eho plays her yes :rofl:

Fiona's I've played against include you, D.A.H, and Meta. I saw Orka play Fiona at SB3 and Master Chibi also plays her. She was my first char before I switched to Heart. If I recall altergenesis subbed Fiona and posted a fire combo a while back that I used, I think it was 3C in the corner, HC, j.C, 236D, j.C, 236D, j.C, 632146D, jump cancel, j.2C.

Hyperhal

10-23-2008, 01:34 PM

I call Fiona for S-Tier. wwwwwwwww

Fiona would've been higher but there aren't enough people scrubbing out with her in the US

orka

10-23-2008, 01:43 PM

Fiona is shit tier in the U.S. as well. If she actually racked up enough wins for consideration of S, that would show that we don't know how to play the damn game.

That final Arcadia tier from February 2008 was well-written. I pretty much agree with the order in that one, and I think enough people in the States have sufficient understanding of the game by now to agree with that list.

If any adjustment was to be made based on player performance in the U.S., the only difference would be Kira moving up to around high B maybe (just because a lot of people don't know how to deal with her).

meta and I winning a lot of games with Fiona over the weekend don't really mean much. Because we actually take the character very seriously and have looked in depth about how to be competitive against the rest of the cast.

And because we have studied her a lot, we both definitely see how much weaker she is compared to other characters. She's definitely at disadvantage in all match ups, maybe except Yoriko - who I think she has even or better odds against. Characters in tier A and above (Lieselotte, Kamui, Lilica, Heart, Mei-Fang) should pretty much destroy Fiona almost every time.

So yea, lemme hear some respect for Team Wheelchair!

Hyperhal

10-23-2008, 01:56 PM

Nah, Chibi got top 3 at Evo with her

Character HAS to be good for something like that to occur

Nastrodamus

10-23-2008, 05:40 PM

Nah, Chibi got top 3 at Evo with her

Character HAS to be good for something like that to occur

um no... that means you just sucked to let that happen lol...

fiona is justt.... bad... but she has her light... but yea against a good player that knows the matchup..it's hard... i think i didn't lose to any fionas at sb (except maybe meta once) but pretty much for Kamui... it's FRAY... like she can literally almost have her way... so it sucks for fiona

Master Chibi

10-23-2008, 06:33 PM

um no... that means you just sucked to let that happen lol...

I like me over you and every other Fiona in this thread guy.

But you don't play this game anymore anyway.

Keep the shit talking about Evo out of the thread btw, there were plenty good people there, and that shit was not free for me at all.

Of course Frank is still the only one who bloody understands this.

someAzNdude

10-23-2008, 07:35 PM

My Time Fiona > You :lovin:

Master Chibi

10-23-2008, 07:57 PM

My Time Fiona > You :lovin:

You are literally the reason I still play AH / AH2, seriously.

:lovin:

H-F Blade

10-23-2008, 08:37 PM

I competed in the Evo AH tourney. :X

chickenfat

10-23-2008, 09:34 PM

had a great time at sb3!nice meeting a few of you.sucks i only got to play arcana like 5 minutes,lol.thanx guilty gear:( playing some of you guyz definetley put some interest back in the game for me.thank you.bill,your kira is nasty dude.keep it up.thomas....you already know.lilica combos ftw.lol.

Capps Indigo

10-23-2008, 09:35 PM

First batch of tourney vids:

SB3 - AHF - Nekohime v Chopa (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wsSz09_ZHsQ)
SB3 - AHF - orka v NappyJin (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6CsYXwYwqsE)
SB3 - AHF - FranktheTank v BBHood (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SktZdV2C0w4)
SB3 - AHF - Capps v Nas (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTr7IxU921k)
SB3 - AHF - Chopa v Necrosis (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pxOU1-FYrM4)

meta

10-23-2008, 10:18 PM

Hey Chibi, what's Fiona's time combo? And her time BNB's since you don't got 6d homing? If you still remember.

Fire is getting boring, and maybe a bit too basic.

Master Chibi

10-23-2008, 10:29 PM

236A, time ball, 623A, 4HC, j.B, very late j.C, land, sj.a, j.b, j.b, j.c, 214A.

Then do it again. And again, and again.

:3

someAzNdude

10-23-2008, 10:46 PM

236A, time ball, 623A, 4HC, j.B, very late j.C, land, sj.a, j.b, j.b, j.c, 214A.

Then do it again. And again, and again.

:3

fuck is joo talkin about, you forgot the 5B in that combo :mad:

Time combo is w/e into 236a > 236236D > 623a > 4D > 5B > jB delay jC > land > super jump jA jB > dj.B dj.C > 214C (opponent should freeze when they get up)

then do jC or j2C when they are frozen so they're in hit stun when they get out of time freeze so you can follow up.

Fiona's BnB when using time is the simple stuff you already know...
2A 2/5B 2C 5C
2A 2/5B 3C 5D jA jB djB djC 214C
2A 2/5B 236A 236B 236C clean hit
2A 2/5B 214AB (not recommended, if you got the meter just go for the time combo, unless they're gonna die from it...)

or you can do the delay combo (time combo w/o 236236D) when you hit with a random dp, if you're close enough that is. If you're too far super jump jA will whiff.

Man, I miss playing AH1 with people :sad:

Master Chibi

10-23-2008, 11:07 PM

I knew I forgot somefing~

I'll still play AH1 if anyone wants to~

Bill307

10-23-2008, 11:24 PM

So what's the plan for Arcana Heart 1 at NEC9? E.g. will there be a way to guarantee AH1 casuals for most or all of Saturday?

someAzNdude

10-23-2008, 11:31 PM

There were plenty of casuals going on NEC8, so I don't see why we wouldn't do the same this time around :tup:

Master Chibi

10-23-2008, 11:33 PM

Yes, there will be AH1 at NEC, I'll make sure of it.

Nastrodamus

10-24-2008, 02:24 AM

I like me over you and every other Fiona in this thread guy.

But you don't play this game anymore anyway.

Keep the shit talking about Evo out of the thread btw, there were plenty good people there, and that shit was not free for me at all.

Of course Frank is still the only one who bloody understands this.

sure bet it.. and what do you mean i don't play it anymore...are you fucking dumb or something... cuse i distinctly playing it anytime it was around( just because i don't post in here dosen't mean i don't play it) but yea i do like my fiona over yours...

i guess you forgotten that i did play fiona as my first charcter.. and for a good while too

I LIKE IT!!! WORD ON THAT SON!!! which one you want.. fire, time(yes i can do the loop),Rock, plant..

HAHAHA i do like the fact.. since i don't mention AH1 it means i don't play it... but of course this is moot..because it's obvious i played at SB3.. but w/e just let me know when want to run that fiona mirrior

EDIT: and i really don't care about evo results...but the fact your calling out FIONA of america ( like who cares for that title).. then sure im up to take your little crown that you want to keep so badly

im sorry you don't have will of your own to play AH1/ AH2... i mean im glad ken keepin it alive for you and shit... but come on... do you really need ken to keep you playing seriously... i don't see you in any other game talking about " i need so and so to keep my intrest".... just don't play the game if you don't have a drive for it... or remotely have fun with it..

then what happens when i win this mirrior.? im sure you'll bitch... but hey that's what you do... but i guess ill see you saturday showing my support for your game ( which you wouldn't care anyway.. since i don't play it anyway do i?.. mine as well throw tekken in there and SC4 cuse i don't play those either lol)

Master Chibi

10-24-2008, 05:04 AM

someAzNdude

10-24-2008, 10:09 AM

Ahh... how nostalgic, reminds me of the OG AH1 days when everyone was at each others throats. :shake:

But seriously, relax guys... :sad:

AlterGenesis

10-24-2008, 10:22 AM

Perhaps MAHVEL hype will rejuvenate AH.

Please believe!

nicaboy

10-24-2008, 11:02 AM

Fiona's I've played against include you, D.A.H, and Meta. I saw Orka play Fiona at SB3 and Master Chibi also plays her. She was my first char before I switched to Heart. If I recall altergenesis subbed Fiona and posted a fire combo a while back that I used, I think it was 3C in the corner, HC, j.C, 236D, j.C, 236D, j.C, 632146D, jump cancel, j.2C.
DAH fiona was preety nice i could learn a thinkg or two from him but does he not play kaumi?

as for fiona good god she is a bad characer but a wise man once said you are playing the person not the charcter and in a sense its true. i remember geting into an arguement wit some folk at ic2 about her being a bad chracter but they clamied she was good because they saw me win some bracket matches with her lol

Sabin

10-24-2008, 11:22 AM

ooo drama!

nicaboy

10-24-2008, 11:34 AM

@capsindigo yo do you play melee?

Nastrodamus

10-24-2008, 11:36 AM

Son, I beat you at NEC last year, back when this game was still hot on the grill, and Evo means as much for tournament placing as SB3, but I don't see your name anywhere near top 3 there either, at least not with my character.

I just don't like people dismissing the competition I had to go through at Evo, like H-F Blade, so if you want to talk shit about it, do it somewhere else.

And yes, Ken continues to keep me hype for this game because noone else at CF plays it, and it's the only thing I was playing on a weekly basis before MBAA came out. I KNOW I got better in AH2 thanks to him. That's why I'm getting cocky, because I really do like playing this game now, and Ken > most of the people in this thread (including you) anyway.

:rofl:

haha that's fine... and way to put a year ago out there...

and no im not dissing any comp out there.... i honestly i don't care where you placed in evo......you said your fiona owns every fiona in the US..? (not like it matters...) but i don't mind taking it off so that way... you don't feel high and mighty about your fiona...

and im glad you do play this game alot more seriously...but why now? when everything seems stangnant.. why do you wait now to decide oh im going serious now!! you couldn't do this when everyone was around and the comp was alot more fluid..?

and i can care less about placing in SB3...im pretty sure if you made it...you wouldn't got past me at all... so whatever...

if you want to feel yourself on that fiona like a year ago...then that's okay... im putting my challege up there.. but see... i can see it now... if i do win.. it'll never count cuse "IT WASN"T HOT OFF THE GRILL" and which is fine... ill just play AH2 and show ya then... lol

well let me know chibi...

you can talk to me saturday when im playing MBAA

ill leave it as it is.. cuse honestly i don't want to derail a perfectly fine tourney at SB3 for arcana (and it was alot of fun) and hopefully at NEC it will be no different

ALSO MASTA BILL- imma bring a setup and make sure DAT AH1 HAPPENS SIR!!! gotta respect the BOSS that tiggy and having the entire setup the whole weekend..hopefully we can do the same ( also my friends DE wouldn't mind bringing a setup for it so it wouldn't be a problem with Big E)

nica- yea in some senses your right...i've see some crazy fiona play... but we talking maybe less then 1% of the people though... meta had it top notch on why fiona is so uphill against kamui... Kamui just simply has the range +plus combos.. and she really isn't as slow as fiona... and easy enough damage that anyone can do ( OH SNAP THAT BC SUPER), pretty damaging combos even for basic bnb.. and can work with about all the arcanas in there

but fret not.. .you got that yomi... then you can own with fiona... but just keep in mind it's a very uphill battle for her... so GOD SPEED TO YOU!!!

alter- we tried that.. lol... i think that shit just works for marvel only... like no one will be at each other's throats.. or have personal vendettas against each other;... hell i wouldn't be suprised if the mob was out in force in marvel with all the sidebetting going on in that game...
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works for marvel- Sure.. does it work for AH- not really..