!!Spoilers Abound!! Official Discussion of HP and the Deathly Hallows

[Jimmy the Hand]

No other threads revealed from performing a search of GD, so official it is!! Unless a mod decides not of course..

Ok, so it is Saturday and per the sticky it is ok to talk about this now. Shit was great!

Didn't see it coming that Harry was a Horcrux.

Harry dies!

Harry lives!!

Best line in the book," GET AWAY FROM MY DAUGHTER, BITCH!!!!".

I read this book straight through from 12:30am-8:00am. I couldn't stop, I didn't want to stop, and it was a very rewarding experience in my opinion.

Neville pimped some shit!

Ron didn't die. :(

I hate Ron.

Need to go sleep now, will post more later.

[TrueSephiroth]

Wtf, lol, cool, hopefully you'll spill more of what happened if this indeed true, since I'll never bother to read the books anyhow, so yeah, post up when ya can...hahaha.

[DaDesiCanadian]

damn it dobby...

i called snape from the second book!!

[DaFlipMastaXV]

I read it so quickly i missed Lupin/Tonks death the first time, had to double back when he was in the resurrection stone.

There was something so fishy about Mad-Eye's death that I thought he was on Polyjuice again or legitimately helping out the DEs. Was waiting for something sick like in GoF to happen

I expected to have a ton of questions after I read it, but I dont have many. All I can say was that it was beastly.

[DaDesiCanadian]

Lupin/Tonks HAD to die. You can't have a newly born kid and expect to survive in the potter world.

[Jedi W.]

Read it straight though. Fucking awesome read. I'm more or less happy with the way everything turned out.

I fucking called the Snape <3 Lily thing. It was just too damn obvious.

The epilogue was so horribly cheesy... ...I loved it.

I gotta go re-read all the other books again.

--jedi\/\/.

[DaDesiCanadian]

The epilogue was so horribly cheesy... ...I loved it.

--jedi\/\/.

:rofl:

Yeah... it's so corny.... and everything you want.

I didn't see severus/lily coming at ALL. I didn't even bother to think about why Snape was trying to help at all. I did realize that Dumbeldore's death was planned though, and that Snape was doing it out of obligation to Dumbledore, not Draco. The thing that's confusing is the timeline...in HBP it made it seem that Snape made the unbreakable vow with Narcissa very early on, but in DH it's clear that he made it after Dumbeldore told him.

Best two lines were:

"Not my daughter, you bitch!"

"You'd be surprised, it's not all about wandwork either!"- Ron talking about how to get girls.

[Azrael]

It's almost 8AM now, and I just finished the book after reading all night. Damn.

Surprised/relieved the big three survived. The pheonix down for Potter was a nice call.

[DaDesiCanadian]

It's almost 8AM now, and I just finished the book after reading all night. Damn.

Surprised/relieved the big three survived. The pheonix down for Potter was a nice call.

I was so convinced that one of them was going to die. I guess Potter did in a way. The death that hit hardest for some reason was Fred. She set up that one really really well. I thought it was going to be Percy sacrificing himself for sure, so Fred dying was really weird. Especially as he's a twin.

[DaFlipMastaXV]

Needed a bigger epilogue. Now I wanna know whos headmaster, what are the three doing if they arent teaching at hogwarts, whos Minister, etc :(

[FallingEdge]

Needed a bigger epilogue. Now I wanna know whos headmaster, what are the three doing if they arent teaching at hogwarts, whos Minister, etc :(

That's what fanfiction is for :tup:

YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH![/Jacky]

[DaFlipMastaXV]

That's what fanfiction is for :tup:

YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH![/Jacky]

I don't like Potter that much.

[Tafokints]

i wonder how this book is going to be portrayed in movie form to a "family audience"

[TornadoFlame]

It was interesting the way it answered everyones question lol. Does he live or dies he die? Good read, it really passed the time at work last night.

[thraaaaa]

"gleam of triumph in his eyes"

[Renegade]

Flippin sweet. I really didn't like "the wandering" portion of the book... but it REALLY picked up when Ron came back.

Thing that still pisses me off is Hedwig.

Why Hedwig, JK? She's just an owl! Damn yooooooooou!

[Demon Dash]

i wonder how this book is going to be portrayed in movie form to a "family audience"
Could someone elaborate on this a little?

[Mystic_bash]

This book is very violent, And the movies themselves are supposed to be suitable for a family audience.

[Taichi]

Draco named his kid "Scorpius"

someone hates the little runt.



Especially as he's a twin.

Not anymore he ain't!

[SkyeElemental]

This book is very violent, And the movies themselves are supposed to be suitable for a family audience.

Iunno....I mean, the last movie hit PG-13. I don't think they are that family suitable.

[pr0k]

Dumbledore turning out to be kind of an asshole really made my day.

Finally a little bit of character shows from him.. instead of the typical stereotypes.

[Khaotika!]

Didn't see it coming that Harry was a Horcrux.

Best line in the book," GET AWAY FROM MY DAUGHTER, BITCH!!!!".


I saw it coming. It was pretty much the only thing I knew would happen other than: Aberforth being a major player, Snape's death, Dumbledore staying dead.

Agree with you and DaDesiCanadian, that was the best line in the book. I was laughing for 5 straight minutes. :rofl:

Renegade: I thought Hedwig's death was stone-cold cruel.

Dobby's death pissed me off too. I was also surprised by Moody's death, but it kinda fits. That eye of his saw something through Fletcher, but he ignored it.

Is it just me or could the book have been called Harry Potter and The World Tour Of Magic? Seriously, they revisted just about every damn location in all the previous books. The only character off the top of my head that Rowling didn't write in the last book or at least namecheck was the headmistress of Beauxbatons.

The ending + epilogue was a bit cliche, but otherwise the book was alright. Phoenix is still my favorite. Kreacher was great in this one, though.

I wonder if Scorpius is going to invite John Crichton over for pizza and margarita shooters. :lol:

[Taichi]

I don't think it was as big a World Tour as the fifth one was, really.

where did they go in Deathly Hallows, besides Godric's Hollow, that they didn't visit in the first six?

besides, I knew the whole time that the seventh was gonna be a buncha Fetch Quests, that tied up the loose ends, with some wholesale carnage in the end.

most of my predictions were close to the mark, though some were way off.

[Renegade]

When the book started... and Harry got the objects from Dumbledore's will.. i thought it was gonna be like

"Harry Potter and The Dumbledore Code"

Where Harry goes and fetches a bunch of stuff. I'm really glad it didn't really work like that, because the wandering/forest part was just terrible.

Epilogue was just really weak. I spent half the time trying to find out whose name was what, with so many recycles in there. What's the point in flashing 19 years if you don't tell the readers anything about what's going on? Even a character by character one liner would have been better, IMO.

Love how mrs weasly uses the killing curse on belletrix, but doesn't actually SAY "Avada Kedavra"

Also, I think JK copped out on alot of things:
-everyone who was kind of a "foil" to Harry in the series turned out to be ok or somewhat good... i.e. Dudley, Scrimgouer, Snape, Malfoy, Lucius, Percy.
-Harry being a Horcrux is a cop out.
-Snape being "in on it" from the beginning was a cop out, but his love for Harry's mom was a good move. I liked that.
-The characters that died weren't as bad as people thought. We lost a weasley twin (who basically peaked in book 5), Moody (who was old and fucked anyway), and Remus and Tonks (tonks never really being a major character and remus just background.

Although, it sucked that moody died "off screen", we don't know who killed fred, and remus and tonks died "off screen" as well and got basically a one liner. I had to reread that they died twice.

Apparently having a newborn is terrible luck in the wizarding world.

Also... I have a rant.

Wizard battle is dumb.

If killing curses are like bolts of light that can be dodged or blocked, why doesn't anyone use charms to make themselves smaller or faster to dodge them? Why doesn't anyone summon up bits of wall or something to bounce them away? If stupid ass crabbe can do the lake of fire spell, why couldn't anyone else do something equally as destructive? Flood, walls of ice, earthquake, etc etc.

It just seemed Rowling got kinda lazy w/ spells. Harry's still really only using patronus, stunning spells and expelliarmus? I'm not expecting him to cast Meteo or anything... but damn.

Any why don't wizards use cell phones? Seemed like keeping in touch was a big problem.

[Azrael]

-everyone who was kind of a "foil" to Harry in the series turned out to be ok or somewhat good... i.e. Dudley, Scrimgouer, Snape, Malfoy, Lucius, Percy.
I wouldn't call them "good"...just "not quite that evil."

Like, I don't think the Malfoy's are decent, respectable people, but in the end they cared more about their own son than seeing Voldemort's plans come to fruition. Especially after he tried to sacrifice Draco. Same goes for Scrimgouer - all he really did was not rat out Harry, which was in the best interest for everyone who wasn't a Death Eater.

Snape...ultimately, he was protecting Harry, but I don't think that makes him any less vicious/condescending. Had Voldemort not killed Lily, he'd probably still be a full-fledged Death Eater.

-The characters that died weren't as bad as people thought. We lost a weasley twin (who basically peaked in book 5), Moody (who was old and fucked anyway), and Remus and Tonks (tonks never really being a major character and remus just background.
Yeah. With the sheer number of Weasley's you figure at least one at to bite the dust.

At the same time, I'm glad she didn't go the "must kill a major player for dramatic effect!" route. I think she did a pretty good job of getting enough secondary characters to show that this was a war and allies do fall, but not touching any favorites to leave a bittersweet taste in anyone's mouthes.

[Mystic_bash]

Iunno....I mean, the last movie hit PG-13. I don't think they are that family suitable.
Well I mean, Most people who read harry potter are over the age of 13.

[Scorpio_G]

I just finished the book and...OMG it's so epic on so many levels. This is by far the best book in the series. And yeah the epilogue is a little corny but I believe it was necessary to reassure kids that Harry is alright.

[Khaotika!]

we don't know who killed fred,

Also... I have a rant.

Wizard battle is dumb.

If killing curses are like bolts of light that can be dodged or blocked, why doesn't anyone use charms to make themselves smaller or faster to dodge them? Why doesn't anyone summon up bits of wall or something to bounce them away? If stupid ass crabbe can do the lake of fire spell, why couldn't anyone else do something equally as destructive? Flood, walls of ice, earthquake, etc etc.


I assumed it was Bellatrix, since she was laughing about it so much.

Your rant makes sense. I was expecting all the hardcore shit to be pulled out, but...

[Pained Auron]

i'm still waiting on mine to arrive. but i gotta know one thing. did neville get revenge for his parents?

[Jedi W.]

i'm still waiting on mine to arrive. but i gotta know one thing. did neville get revenge for his parents?

Not directly, as Mrs. Weasley got the honor of offing Bellatrix. He did get to be a FUCKING BAD ASS by the end of the book, so no worries.

Seriously, the last few chapters of the book are fuck all epic.

--jedi\/\/.

[Bullet Tooth]

I just finished reading it at around 1:00 am today. Great book. Couldn't really put it down.

I kinda didn't really like some of the random deaths one- liners.

And the last final chapters are indeed epic.

[Kyoujin]

I agree, I wanted a longer epilogue; it would have been nice to know what happened to the rest of the characters (Harry's friends/family of friends)
I really liked the book though; fantastic read!

[Taichi]

At the same time, I'm glad she didn't go the "must kill a major player for dramatic effect!" route. I think she did a pretty good job of getting enough secondary characters to show that this was a war and allies do fall, but not touching any favorites to leave a bittersweet taste in anyone's mouthes.

Well, Fred, George, and Dumbledore were my favorite characters.

the only one who survived, was George, and he didn't survive unscathed.

alas, I'm still pleased with the ending.

[beatsofdevil]

voldemort flying...WTF!? that's some shit right there. just floating like smoke

[Pimp Willy]

Snape flying is more WTF

Was he a bat animagus?

Did he learn from Voldy?

Was he a vampire?

[elitericerocket]

Book was good, although I thought the ending seemed a bit rushed. No Harry/Ginny get together before epilogue? Wtf...

[Humcast]

The book is too good yo...............Epilogue is pretty good also I finished it this morning.........

[angryliberal]

just finished now. awesome book. i thought some parts were slow, and some parts rushed, but overall, i greatly enjoyed the book. i'm going to start a second reading here soon, one where i can relax more through it. most the stuff that happened i pretty much predicted. shear number said one weasly would die, the twins were the most likely to be hit. harry being the seventh horcrux, i thought about that one the moment i read what a horcrux is and how it's created. dumbledore having a dark past was a nice touch. i am overall pleased with the book, and even enjoyed the cheesiness of the epilogue...longbottom becoming prof of herbology, that wasn't a predictable step...

[Wild Kitty]

finished about a half hour ago, just finished eating supper.

Anyway, it was a good read and I feel like everything was wrapped up nicely, although a bit rushed. I don't think I could agree that the last chapters were very epic. They were by far the most predictable of almost everything in the book. I never expected Harry to die, but when he did, I didn't expect him to come back. That part was a little upsetting or confusing or something, it just felt like she tore a page out of the Marvel Universe and brought back Harry when he shouldn't have died in the first place,if he was even really dead. It was like a kind of purgatory or limbo or something, but there'd been no real mention of such a place in the past and how could Dumbledore have appeared there to give him advice, if it was only in Harry's head?

I dunno, the ending just seemed kind of thrown together and rushed. The epilogue was too short and corny, like most of you have said. I would've liked a little more information and all the kid's names at the end got kind of muddled together I think.

Anyway, enough ranting, it was a good read and closed everything out I just feel she couldn't done a better job.

By the way, anyone notice that there is a continuity editor listed at the end of the book? As if Rowling didn't know her own story well enough to write it without stepping on her own toes, which I actually believe she did at one point.

Supposedly one cannot conjure food, but Dumbledore seemed to be able to do that during the sorting ceremony at the start of every year, unless like said he simply multiplied a small portion of food that was on each table. If someone cares to go back and look at where the food came from in the Great Hall, feel free to let me know because I don't feel like looking. It was just something that came to mind when Hermione was talking about those 5 laws or whatever.

[pr0k]

Snape flying is more WTF

Was he a bat animagus?

Did he learn from Voldy?

Was he a vampire?

Snape didn't fly. He jumped out the window and used some sort of cushioning charm to fall without hurting himself.

I feel myself getting unlaid the more I explain things.

[Bullet Tooth]

finished about a half hour ago, just finished eating supper.

Anyway, it was a good read and I feel like everything was wrapped up nicely, although a bit rushed. I don't think I could agree that the last chapters were very epic. They were by far the most predictable of almost everything in the book. I never expected Harry to die, but when he did, I didn't expect him to come back. That part was a little upsetting or confusing or something, it just felt like she tore a page out of the Marvel Universe and brought back Harry when he shouldn't have died in the first place,if he was even really dead. It was like a kind of purgatory or limbo or something, but there'd been no real mention of such a place in the past and how could Dumbledore have appeared there to give him advice, if it was only in Harry's head?

I dunno, the ending just seemed kind of thrown together and rushed. The epilogue was too short and corny, like most of you have said. I would've liked a little more information and all the kid's names at the end got kind of muddled together I think.

Anyway, enough ranting, it was a good read and closed everything out I just feel she couldn't done a better job.

By the way, anyone notice that there is a continuity editor listed at the end of the book? As if Rowling didn't know her own story well enough to write it without stepping on her own toes, which I actually believe she did at one point.

Supposedly one cannot conjure food, but Dumbledore seemed to be able to do that during the sorting ceremony at the start of every year, unless like said he simply multiplied a small portion of food that was on each table. If someone cares to go back and look at where the food came from in the Great Hall, feel free to let me know because I don't feel like looking. It was just something that came to mind when Hermione was talking about those 5 laws or whatever.

It was supposed to come from the kitchen under the great hall where the house elves were. They kinda explained it in The Goblet of Fire. Pretty sure thats it. Dumbledore just made it come up.

And the whole limbo thing. When harry is talking to dumbledore in his head, or whatever, he says he wasn't sure because they were venturing in magic never used before. But he was usually good at guessing the outcome so he had somewhat of an Idea what was happening.. I need to go back and make sure though. Im' going to read the last couple of chapters over to clear things up.

[Harem]

Fred and George are masters of the pun.

That is all.

[TurkeyFried]

I'd just like to say that Ron is the ultimate cockblock.

[DaDesiCanadian]

I'd just like to say that Ron is the ultimate cockblock.

Wow, first thing I thought too. :rofl:

[Pained Auron]

fucking ups left my book outside the front door of my job sat morning. someone ended up with a free DH book. goddamned scholastic and their policy to leave the books at the front door if no one was there. oh well, amazon should be sending me a replacement tomorrow.

[Wild Kitty]

It was supposed to come from the kitchen under the great hall where the house elves were. They kinda explained it in The Goblet of Fire. Pretty sure thats it. Dumbledore just made it come up.

And the whole limbo thing. When harry is talking to dumbledore in his head, or whatever, he says he wasn't sure because they were venturing in magic never used before. But he was usually good at guessing the outcome so he had somewhat of an Idea what was happening.. I need to go back and make sure though. Im' going to read the last couple of chapters over to clear things up.

Yea, you're right about the food. I remember that now that you mentioned it. I remember all the house elves running around preparing food and dumbledore probably just moved it from the kitchen to the tables and it was multiplied if needed.

I just don't like things left unexplained like that. I had just finished reading when I posted, although I had read the last few chapters in a bit of a haste, wanting to get to the end, I can't say I didn't reread a few parts because I wasn't quite sure what was going on. It just seemed all deus ex and shit to me (Rowling is quite notorious for putting deus ex's in the HP books). Didn't really make sense, felt unexplained and a cop out. I just feel it would have been more appropriate if the last killing curse destroyed the scar/last horcrux, because Voldemort's magic was more powerful than Harry's, and Harry was simply knocked unconscious for some time or something along those lines.

Just felt like a cop out to me.

[Mr PH]

Finished it on Sunday, apparently none of my friends liked that Snape was good in the end. /typical.

I liked Dumbledore's dark past and the part around where they talked about the Deathly Hallows.

Overall, one of the better of the HP books.

[Jimmy the Hand]

Snape didn't fly. He jumped out the window and used some sort of cushioning charm to fall without hurting himself.

I feel myself getting unlaid the more I explain things.

And getting them wrong? What part of "batlike figure flying away" conjures up a cushioning charm in your mind? Or it being remarked that he can fly and obviously learned some new tricks from his master?

[Wild Kitty]

And getting them wrong? What part of "batlike figure flying away" conjures up a cushioning charm in your mind? Or it being remarked that he can fly and obviously learned some new tricks from his master?

I think he was confusing it with the cushioning charm cast earlier in the book.

[Taichi]

Voldemort flew, because he was fucking badass.

Fred was killed by Rookwood, when he blasted the wall apart.

[Jimmy the Hand]

Kind of funny on Voldy flying though, everyone thought that it was newsworthy, but it almost seemed like they didn't care how he did it.

[Jeesup]

finished reading it this morning from 12am-7am

-.- anyone else feel really cheated by the ending/epilogue? it felt really hurried... there wasn't enough time to kinda wrap up everything/ let all the events and deaths sink in

and wtf @ some of the deaths in the book. i understand people gotta die but... i felt some were unnecessary. fred? hedwig? was it really necessary to kill them? and tonks/lupin's death was fucking pathetic. not even an onscreen death for such developed characters... totally unnecessary


meh, maybe i'm just bitter cause there were no sex scenes between harry/ginny and ron/hermione :[

[Wild Kitty]

finished reading it this morning from 12am-7am

-.- anyone else feel really cheated by the ending/epilogue? it felt really hurried... there wasn't enough time to kinda wrap up everything/ let all the events and deaths sink in

and wtf @ some of the deaths in the book. i understand people gotta die but... i felt some were unnecessary. fred? hedwig? was it really necessary to kill them? and tonks/lupin's death was fucking pathetic. not even an onscreen death for such developed characters... totally unnecessary


meh, maybe i'm just bitter cause there were no sex scenes between harry/ginny and ron/hermione :[


Nah, I feel the same way man. I felt that the whole last few chapters was just very anti-climactic and unexplained. I agree about the deaths. Sure, people have to die, but it would have been nice to see them go out valiently in a fight and do some damage themselves. I was especially fond of Tonks and Lupin as characters, so that might be why I was kind of upset at them being done no justice. Mad-eye was also one of my more favorite side characters, but not nearly as much as Tonks/Lupin.

Hedwig dying seemed unnecessary, but whatever, like someone said before. Why are they fucking using owls, I guess trying to keep modern technology out of the wizarding world is a good route to go by, but there really has to be a better way. Hedwig was never really a character in my eyes, but simply more of just a way to pass information. You can't really develop an animal's personality too much, especially something like an owl that is not normally kept as a pet. If they were like, teleporting dogs, then yea I would be a little more upset.

I felt that Dobby was done justice in the way he died, atleast we know what happened to him and that he died for a purpose.

Lots of unexplained shit, the whole being in limbo/his head/purgatory/whatever the fuck it was seemed like just a way for her to cop out because bringing Harry back was the only way to lead Voldemort down into the crowd of people to ultimately finish him off. I hate the whole cliche good guy/bad guy trading of words at the end. Been done before, think of something new, authors of tomorrow. Get the conversation out beforehand or something and just get right to it, in a real situation (which is something I think we would love to connect with as readers) that exchange would not happen. Especially on Voldemort's end when the person he supposedly had jsut killed magically rose from death, or whatevr it was. And I'm pretty sure if most people were Harry, there would be no problem in deciding who to attack or to save. Kill Voldemort, get it over with before it's too fucking late. I hate that shit.

So much was left unexplained. Harry/Ginny, Ron/Hermione, Draco, Neville.. that's all you hear about in the last 9-10 pages or whatever.

10 years and 5000 pages of reading and we're left with 3 pages of the final chapter and a 6 or 7 page epilogue (sorry, I can't bear to even open that book again to check) with no real discussion of how the wizarding world continued out, who is in control and what the practices are like, what happened in those 19 years, what Harry and co. are actually doing with their lives, the ministry of magic, explanation of all the muggle deaths at voldemort's hand to the muggle world. Perhaps the wizarding world finally came out to the muggles and they lived in harmony since Voldemort is finally out of the picture and live on to help each other out? Something Rowling... something....

A very, very predictable, anti-climactic and unsatisfying ending to the story, Rowling. A great and grand adventure you have took us on. In the end, however, we are left with nothing but a sour taste in our mouths and no information as to the world beyond that battle in the Great Hall.

Fuck You

EDIT: On a side note. I did enjoy the explanation of Dumbledor's sketchy past and although also predictable, Snape's love for Lily Potter. There were some positives to the rest of the story that was revealed, but overall, very unsatisfying and disappointing. :(

[Stabby]

She said she might write more to the universe after this book.

But that chick is a billionaire, so she doesn't have much of an incentive.

[Wild Kitty]

She said she might write more to the universe after this book.

But that chick is a billionaire, so she doesn't have much of an incentive.

I guess if you have a cash cow you might as well milk it. If she does, I will reluctantly buy the book because it should have been covered in this one.

Blah, I really don't want to see that. Just leave it be.

Thought she stated in a PR thing that this was indeed the last book. Maybe she just meant for the Harry Potter story. Whatever, it's just irritating now.

[voodazz]

How did Snapes die?

[Jedi W.]

How did Snapes die?

Snape was killed by Nagini. Either through asphyxiation or poinsoned through snake venom.

--jedi\/\/.

[beatsofdevil]

"but you're supposed to learn occlumency!"

jeez hermione....shut the fuck up with that already.

[Pimp Willy]

QQ


I think you're just sad that it's over. Why dont we get a longer epilogue, to find out about each of the dozens of characters individually in their own short story, to see the death of EVERY character who died and have it explained?

Because it doesnt matter.

The story was one of Harry Potter growing up, coming of age, accepting his destiny, and fulfilling it. Nothing else matters. Not what draco does in the next 19 years, not how Lupin and Tonks died trying to protect each other, not whether or not luna and neville get it on, or what was going on with snape the entire book, or what kreacher was doing the entire length from when harry goes missing to the final battle, or what Draco was showing to Borgin since he indeed doesnt have a dark mark, or any of the NUMEROUS things that don't need to be explained.

Outside of Voldy and Harry, nothing else mattered. If you had it your way, the story would never end. The way she ended it was perfect, and she got across all that mattered: Harry lived happily ever after.

[Jedi W.]

I think you're just sad that it's over. Why dont we get a longer epilogue, to find out about each of the dozens of characters individually in their own short story, to see the death of EVERY character who died and have it explained?

Because it doesnt matter.

The story was one of Harry Potter growing up, coming of age, accepting his destiny, and fulfilling it. Nothing else matters. Not what draco does in the next 19 years, not how Lupin and Tonks died trying to protect each other, not whether or not luna and neville get it on, or what was going on with snape the entire book, or what kreacher was doing the entire length from when harry goes missing to the final battle, or what Draco was showing to Borgin since he indeed doesnt have a dark mark, or any of the NUMEROUS things that don't need to be explained.

Outside of Voldy and Harry, nothing else mattered. If you had it your way, the story would never end. The way she ended it was perfect, and she got across all that mattered: Harry lived happily ever after.

Yeah, I tend to agree. This isn't Tolkien. Tolkien set out to create an entire world for his characters to run around in. He flushed out a tremendous amount of content to that degree in order to make Middle Earth a living, breathing world. The story you read in LOTR revolves around the world itself, really.

The world of Harry Potter is completely centered around the protagonist. The world is just his stage, and as such, the side stories are there to give life to the world, not necessarily define it.

--jedi\/\/.

[voodazz]

Hmmm... I wonder if Rowling will pull a George Lucas and continue to milk and rape the Potter franchise until there's nothing left but a drained and bloated corpse.

[Jeesup]

I think you're just sad that it's over. Why dont we get a longer epilogue, to find out about each of the dozens of characters individually in their own short story, to see the death of EVERY character who died and have it explained?

Because it doesnt matter.

The story was one of Harry Potter growing up, coming of age, accepting his destiny, and fulfilling it. Nothing else matters. Not what draco does in the next 19 years, not how Lupin and Tonks died trying to protect each other, not whether or not luna and neville get it on, or what was going on with snape the entire book, or what kreacher was doing the entire length from when harry goes missing to the final battle, or what Draco was showing to Borgin since he indeed doesnt have a dark mark, or any of the NUMEROUS things that don't need to be explained.

Outside of Voldy and Harry, nothing else mattered. If you had it your way, the story would never end. The way she ended it was perfect, and she got across all that mattered: Harry lived happily ever after.

ugh, you're probably right.

i'm just bitter, you know? i mean you read book after book anticipating the next and by the time the last one rolls around you think to yourself "man, it's gonna be the greatest ending ever." but it's not... even if it WAS a perfect ending i don't think i could accept it cause deep down i'm just sad the series is over :sad:

i still think the ending was poorly done... and i can't help but feel frustrated over the whole thing. again, i'm just oh so bitter.

/emo

[Pimp Willy]

If it makes you feel any better...


http://www.jkrowling.com/textonly/en/faq_view.cfm?id=24

[GreyFoxx]

Finished it this morning wow....the last chapters were epic and i can't wait too see this in the theaters!!! Kinda hated the last bits no reflection on the deaths and such could have been atleast fleashed out alittle more. But man good read!!!

[Wild Kitty]

Sad it's over?

No

More like, Glad it's over. I've been waiting nearly a decade for the end of these novels, the end of this story. I am just REALLY REALLY f'ing disappointed that the end was just such a big letdown. You can't involve us so much in the surrounding world and end with "Voldemort's dead, Harry lives, go find something else to read"
and feel good about it in my mind.

The ending just sucked. It should've been gripping, something fun, entertaining, like the rest of the series. It was just..bland, boring.

I SIMPLY DIDN'T GIVE A SHIT ANYMORE

Just very disappointed, all that time for such a mediocre and predictable ending... what a fucking waste of time.

[Pimp Willy]

You said the ending was predictable, but then complain the reason it sucked was because all your favorite characters dont get enough page time.

The story isn't called "Remus Lupin and his wife Tonks: First Born Child," they got enough page time from my perspective. Does it annoy you that such characters die for seemingly no reason, that they didnt get done justice? Good. Thats the point of all this death, in a war situation, people die for stupid reasons that don't deserve. It makes you angry? Good. Then she succeeded in what she set out to do.

Moody died for a good reason, he KNEW that he would be first targeted, which is why he put Mundungus with him (good sacrifice). He was willing to die, hands down, for harry. That's the type of character he is.

Hedwig was more than just a way to deliver messages, she was harrys only real connection to the magical world for all those years locked away at pivet drive. He loved hedwig, she is what helped him through all those lonely times... then BAM, shes gone, this shit is getting real. Thats what hedwigs death accomplished. (as far as passing messages... patronuses get the job done fine).

However, the fact that anybody would complain that a series that started off as a CHILDRENS BOOK ends with a HAPPY, PREDICTABLE ENDING is the one that has the problem, not the story itself. You can enjoy it for what it is, or hate it for what it is, but not for what you somehow though it should have been.

[Wild Kitty]

Well, that's fine and all that you feel the way you do. If you were satisfied, then fine, but I know more than a handful of people alongside myself are severely disappointed with this.

It wasn't the "meaningless" deaths, which I didn't mean to call them if I did, that bothered me. I have no problem with characters dying. I have a problem with allowing people to develop relationships with characters and then simply wiping them out of the story without explaining how. Just **poof**, they're gone.

And as for hedwig.. sorry, I just don't buy it. I never got that connection nor hhad it held much significance. Would've been much more significant if she had died some other point in time if Rowling wanted us to actually witness that connection broken if it was so important. Harry was involved with the wizarding world throughout the rest of the story, so Hedwig's absence did not leave some gap there where he did not have some connection there. I already stated that I don't care about her death, it was just random as fuck, came out of left field and I was like "okay whatever."

It doesn't matter if it started off as a children's book. Been Trying to explain this for quite some time to people. Rowling did not expect her audience to immediately abandon the series after they outgrew it's intended reading audience. Atleast I hope not, or that would upset me even more. Harry, along with the characters and situations in the story, grew alongside the readers as we all became older. I started when I was 13... 23 now. I just expected a little bit more.

I really couldn't care less about your opinion. Some people are going to be satisfied with the ending, others are not. I am one of those who are not. Does that mean that you can't be satisfied with the end? No, it doesn't. If you're happy with how it ended, fine, but I wanted a little bit more after spending that much time and energy reading alongside Harry and all the other characters. I feel like the end was rushed, unexplained, and very disappointing. It felt like there was no fucking heart put into the end of the story at all. I feel gipped, robbed, I just simply didn't fucking like it.

That's it

[AlphaDragoon02]

I agree that the ending screamed "cheap copout to make little kids happy". Everyone in the core group walks away happy and married with wee ones and "all was well". I mean come the fuck on, MALFOY lived through it?!

After the other books were pretty much nobody was safe, I felt it was kinda like she took the safe route to avoid pissing off any of the fanboy/fangirl sets.

[Azrael]

I remember a few months ago Rowling said she revised the ending a bit, which spared one character but offed two more. I'm guessing the unlucky two were Tonks and Lupin, but I wonder who the spared character was?

[Wild Kitty]

I would place my bets on Hagrid. I was pretty sure when the spiders were carrying him away that he was gonna be done for. If it wasn't him, a part of the book was omitted because there was not much indication that outside another random death during the battle someone could have died.

[DaFlipMastaXV]

o no the debates have begun.

[Khaotika!]

I remember a few months ago Rowling said she revised the ending a bit, which spared one character but offed two more. I'm guessing the unlucky two were Tonks and Lupin, but I wonder who the spared character was?

It was Mr. Weasley, he was supposed to die all the way back in "Phoenix".

[box]

Just read the book.

Great read... especially the battle of hogwarts. Nice to see all the old characters showing up. Everyone's got a favorite in there somewhere.

I don't really like how the elder wand switched allegiances from Draco to Harry. Mainly because when Draco was defeated... he wasn't using the elder wand at the time. One would think that he'd have to be defeated by using the elder wand in order for it to switch allegiances. But since Rowling decides the rules though so who am I to argue.

Nice to see Neville pull the sword out of the hat and take out Nagini.

I kinda wished Tonks survived though but oh well.

[beatsofdevil]

I think you're just sad that it's over. Why dont we get a longer epilogue, to find out about each of the dozens of characters individually in their own short story, to see the death of EVERY character who died and have it explained?

Because it doesnt matter.

The story was one of Harry Potter growing up, coming of age, accepting his destiny, and fulfilling it. Nothing else matters. Not what draco does in the next 19 years, not how Lupin and Tonks died trying to protect each other, not whether or not luna and neville get it on, or what was going on with snape the entire book, or what kreacher was doing the entire length from when harry goes missing to the final battle, or what Draco was showing to Borgin since he indeed doesnt have a dark mark, or any of the NUMEROUS things that don't need to be explained.

Outside of Voldy and Harry, nothing else mattered. If you had it your way, the story would never end. The way she ended it was perfect, and she got across all that mattered: Harry lived happily ever after.sorry, but your wrong! lol but really...it wouldn't have mattered is Rowling didn't develop the characters/relationships/places/etc. as much as she did. she did all of that and then finished it cheaply. It would've been allright if they didn't seem that important in the series...but they did.

it was bad ending because of that

[angryliberal]

i look at it this way, there was no way to complete this series properly. she said on the onset that some people will loathe this book while others love it. it's the nature of the beast. it's nigh impossible to complete a series this massive without making some sacrifices. she did waste some time in the middle while speeding through the ending, but i'm ok with it. overall, it was not a bad story. the exciting parts were exciting, the depressing parts were depressing and we got a small glimpse of the future.

for those who want more, jo is working on an encyclopedia of all the information she couldn't fit into the book.

[Pained Auron]

so i'm up to the part where they are hiding in a farm. book is great. too bad there's this thing called "work" that i have to do that keeps me from reading more. :bluu:

[kof4life]

Personally, I thought it was a great read. I was enthralled throughout. When Harry was hit with Avada Kedavra, I was like "OMG! She's really gonna kill him!"And when he came back, and I flipped the page to see"The Flaw in the Plan", with Hagrid carrying Harry's body, it made me think that he might end up dying anyway. True, it did end up being the near-perfect ending and all, but the way it was led up to was great, IMO.

[box]

So if Dumbledore was master of the elder wand... and the elder wand is extremely powerful when coupled with its true master...

then how come in Book 5, Dumbledore with elderwand wasn't doing much damage to Voldemort? A simple Expelliarmus or stupefy spell would have ended the whole thing.

[Taichi]

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/19935372/


she's basically confirmed the encyclopedia.

[Jimmy the Hand]

Unfortunately when she says that there may be a wait, that is a damn problem...I see the encyclopedia coming out in 2011......too damn long to wait.

[guado]

yeah it was a good book, the only thing is i don't see why she had to kill off so many people, i mean i can understand killing off some for dramatic effect but she just went kinda overboard with it, as a matter of fact looking back at it, none of the characters deaths were necessary and could have just been left out.All of them were really random and made me go wtf. none of em went out like g's. i really didnt care for many of the characters she killed off but tonks, lupin and fred shouldnt have died.

but still looking back from the first book to the end it was a good story overall, the ending of deathly hollows was kinda cheesey and she coulda done without some of the scenes in the book and drawn out the end, giving more detail about certain aspects but overall i liked it

aside from the story though i wounder how she wrote all of them, did she do it sequentially or did she already have the story planned out in her head and fleshed it out. She must be caking ridiculous from all these books, almost makes me want to become an author

[Wild Kitty]

yeah it was a good book, the only thing is i don't see why she had to kill off so many people, i mean i can understand killing off some for dramatic effect but she just went kinda overboard with it, as a matter of fact looking back at it, none of the characters deaths were necessary and could have just been left out.All of them were really random and made me go wtf. none of em went out like g's. i really didnt care for many of the characters she killed off but tonks, lupin and fred shouldnt have died.

but still looking back from the first book to the end it was a good story overall, the ending of deathly hollows was kinda cheesey and she coulda done without some of the scenes in the book and drawn out the end, giving more detail about certain aspects but overall i liked it

aside from the story though i wounder how she wrote all of them, did she do it sequentially or did she already have the story planned out in her head and fleshed it out. She must be caking ridiculous from all these books, almost makes me want to become an author

The problem with your view on the supposedly "random" deaths, is that in a big massive battle where so many people are invovled, there are going to be casualties with characters who had more influence on the story. You can't say that neither Fred, Tonks, Lupin, Mad-eye would've died in the battle. It was kinda disappointing that you didn't really get to see a bunch of chars die "on screen" and that's probably what you meant by not going out like a "g". That's the part that upset me. Not the fact that they died, but the fact that you were given no explanation as to how they died. Atleast give a snippet saying that Tonks and Lupin were fighting side by side and they died tried to save a group of first years who got lost or caught up or something and couldn't make it out in time. Give us something.

And to Jimmy the Hand: You have to give her some time to rest man. She started writing the books in 1990, that's 17 years of Potter dude. Sure, she isn't writing constantly and takes a short break between each book, but I'm sure she's doing some outlining and plotline stuff when she's not actually writing. Add on top of the fact that there are still 2 more movies to come out, which she is pretty well involved in, that's even more time she has to dedicate to the series.

She wants a break, so would I, so would you. It's been a hell of a trip for her and she just wants some time off to really enjoy the wealth her stories have brought her. Plus she has to write it all and come up with some other information that I'm sure she'll know the readers want. It'll come out in due time and won't be too far off. Just give her a little bit of a break, man.

[Azrael]

It was kinda disappointing that you didn't really get to see a bunch of chars die "on screen" and that's probably what you meant by not going out like a "g". That's the part that upset me. Not the fact that they died, but the fact that you were given no explanation as to how they died. Atleast give a snippet saying that Tonks and Lupin were fighting side by side and they died tried to save a group of first years who got lost or caught up or something and couldn't make it out in time. Give us something.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't almost the entire book written from Harry's POV? In fact, the whole series - only the opening chapters of DH and HBP are not written from Harry's POV.

So unless Harry was there to see it happen specifically, neither do we.

[Wild Kitty]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't almost the entire book written from Harry's POV? In fact, the whole series - only the opening chapters of DH and HBP are not written from Harry's POV.

So unless Harry was there to see it happen specifically, neither do we.

Then she should've made it so he WAS there, or atleast passed by or something. I was just really agitated at the fact that there was no explanation other than "Tonks and Lupin are dead." I don't remember mad-eye's death, if it was given in any detail, but I think it was. I'm pretty sure it was explained in some way or another. I was just really upset at the fact that they were just dead and no explanation was given.

But yes, I do believe you are correct.

[Jimmy the Hand]

And to Jimmy the Hand: You have to give her some time to rest man. She started writing the books in 1990, that's 17 years of Potter dude. Sure, she isn't writing constantly and takes a short break between each book, but I'm sure she's doing some outlining and plotline stuff when she's not actually writing. Add on top of the fact that there are still 2 more movies to come out, which she is pretty well involved in, that's even more time she has to dedicate to the series.

She wants a break, so would I, so would you. It's been a hell of a trip for her and she just wants some time off to really enjoy the wealth her stories have brought her. Plus she has to write it all and come up with some other information that I'm sure she'll know the readers want. It'll come out in due time and won't be too far off. Just give her a little bit of a break, man.

I can totally see all that, but the epilogue was weak in the respect that it only implied that everyone lived happily ever after. Thus additional details are needed. I would think that about 100 pages would cover it.

I understand the need for a break in some respects, but it's not like this was a book every year deal. Hell, Dean Koontz does a book almost every 6 months, granted it usually follows a formula that he has developed previously and thus is predictable in many ways, but it's there if you enjoy his style of writing.

I am just of the opinion that when you author a successful series, you have a responsibility to your reading audience to give them what they want.

[Xyth]

So i just finished the book and the only thing that i wish that was in there was some details on what harry's profession became.

[Wild Kitty]

I can totally see all that, but the epilogue was weak in the respect that it only implied that everyone lived happily ever after. Thus additional details are needed. I would think that about 100 pages would cover it.

I understand the need for a break in some respects, but it's not like this was a book every year deal. Hell, Dean Koontz does a book almost every 6 months, granted it usually follows a formula that he has developed previously and thus is predictable in many ways, but it's there if you enjoy his style of writing.

I am just of the opinion that when you author a successful series, you have a responsibility to your reading audience to give them what they want.


Now, I could be wrong bcause I don't read Dean Koontz stuff. I'm pretty much more of just a fantasy type person... But, I don't think Koontz' novels are 700 pages in length (the first 3 books were actually released in a much timlier fashion than the last few). Dean Koontz also does't have to make up an entirely new world in which his characters function like Rowling does. He's using atleast semi-realistic places, maybe a made-up town or something, but it's still based off the world we know.

Fantasy is a lot harder to write because you have to develop a completely different, brand new world with new creatures, new people, new ideas...that's why it's called fantasy. At the same time, you still have to make it believable.

Sci-fi also follows this same general principal.

Also with fantasy/sci-fi, you have to make sure it's very noticably different from other things done in the genre. If it is too similar, people are not going to want to read it because it's been done before and in their mind, probably better. It won't get read.

Fantasy and sci-fi are tough to write. Not saying that thrillers/spy/horror/drama books are easy to write, but you don't have nearly as much shit to deal with. Most of those authors already have a working formula as well, like you said. It's just an entirely different beast to tackle.

Not trying to take credit away from Koontz and other authors, but fantasy/sci-fi is not easy to write and make it readable without feeling like it's been done before. Just want you to understand the process and what goes into fantasy/sci-fi books, it's a lot tougher than other genres.

[Jimmy the Hand]

No, I completely understand what you are saying, plus I already credited that by stating that he uses a formula that works for him.

I would love to have books come out faster that are in a series. Main reason why I like "discovering" new series.

Raymond Feist
Jim Butcher
Laurell K Hamilton

All fantasy type authors, but usually manage to give up the goods at least once a year. I do understand the process, however I am selfish and want to know what's up.

[Wild Kitty]

Yea I know where you're coming from. It is a pain to be excited about a book and read through 700 pages in one or two days and realizing that the next installation is going to be like two years away.

It does suck, unfortunately, it's something we have to deal with. I think we can partially blame the movies for this since I know Rowling is somewhat involved in them, so that can bog her down a bit. She does write slow though, or atleast takes a while to get started. I'm sure she already had most of the 7th book outlined and/or set in her head, but I remember reading something that she didn't even start writing the book until this past december/january or something like that. A year and a half after book 6 was released before she even started writing the 7th? Yea, that is a bit unacceptable.

[Azrael]

A lot of people are like "She wrote 800 pages, surely she could have written 100 more!" But honestly though, you write 800 pages, and then tell me you aren't itching to end the damn thing even one word as soon as possible.

Yeah, the final chapter is really, really brief, but it does pretty much answer all the major questions.

[DaDesiCanadian]

I do agree about the abruptness of the deaths, especially Remus. The deaths of Padfoot, Wormtail and Prongs are all detailed, Moony got the shaft heavily.

[Akelexre]

--Rowling's prose is still mediocre. She's not a bad writer in terms of word choice, images, etc., just not a good one.

--Harry/Ginny is lame. WTF do they see in each other again? What real, deep and sustained interactions have they had? Rowling NEVER sold them to me as a couple.

Personal aside, I always thought he and Luna would make a good couple. She can provide a serenity and levelheadedness to Potter that he honestly could have used over the last few books. They have the experience of losing parents in horrible ways at an early age. Not much, but at least it would be a starting point to develop something. Unfortunately Rowling was usually too busy making Luna's character into an empty-headed, hippie laughing stock while only providing hints of her intelligent and empathy. I always felt that Rowling thought Ginny was the, "safe" choice option for a Potter romance; a normal, uninteresting, and unhatable character for the posterboy who won't be at risk to overshine the books main star in terms of personality, background and character development.

Luna was the one woman in this series I LIKED. Everyone else was either annoying (Hermoine, Mrs. Weasly), an unlikable villan (Beatrix) or too irrelevant and/or underdeveloped to care about (Tonks, Ginny).

--Harry playing possum was gay. One of the best wizards mankind has ever produced (Vol) can't figure out someone is still fucking breathing? Your BLOOD enemy who has stood in your way for almost 2 decades and you're not going to DOUBLE CHECK to make he's dead before you go take over the world? The fuck outta here.

--I liked the chaos at the end of the book. That was fun. I was expecting more in terms of magic, however. I recognize the magic system in the HP universe isn't nearly as deep as a, "Real" fantasy series (for example, see Robert Jordan's, "Wheel of Time" series, or L.E. Mondesitt's, "Saga of Recluse" series, or even for the sheer mystery and wonder behind it, George R. R. Martin's, "Song of Ice and Fire"), but I was expecting a few more tricks and surprises then the same old combat spells we've seen in the previous 6 books.

--We deserved more in the epilogue. A hell of a lot more.

[angryliberal]

i liked the book, but my major gripe about the whole thing is lupin getting killed off camera. that was cheese and not a worthy death of my favorite supporting character. snape and lupin were probably my fave characters in the books, and both died pretty unceremoniously, but at least we got to see snape die...

[beatsofdevil]

--Harry playing possum was gay. One of the best wizards mankind has ever produced (Vol) can't figure out someone is still fucking breathing? Your BLOOD enemy who has stood in your way for almost 2 decades and you're not going to DOUBLE CHECK to make he's dead before you go take over the world? The fuck outta here.

but that's how voldemort is....too confident in himself...it was a fucking killing curse anyway...he shoulda been dead. I think him casting crucio was how he tested...if the person was alive he surely would've noticed...but crucio didn't affect him.

and no, the book was not written from harry's POV

[Scorpio_G]

but that's how voldemort is....too confident in himself...it was a fucking killing curse anyway...he shoulda been dead. I think him casting crucio was how he tested...if the person was alive he surely would've noticed...but crucio didn't affect him.

and no, the book was not written from harry's POV

It's kind of ironic because in the 3rd chapter when Harry cuts himself on accident he comments on how being in the wizarding world made him less knowledgeable of basic human needs/fuctions like bandaging a wound. Its obvious that with Voldemort he's so out of touch of being human that he doesnt know about pulse or basic vital signs of a human.

Well, that's just my theory of it. I gotta go to work.

[box]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19959323/

Rowling gives details on events after book's final epilogue.

Harry and Ron are Aurors. Hermione is high up in the department of magical law enforcement.

She still hasn't explained anything about why the Elder wand wasn't doing much good during Dumbledore's fight against Voldemort in book 5.

[BBCampbell]

Favorite line: "As Harry drank the whisky a warm sensation filled him not unlike courage..." (Or something like that, I don't have the book in front of me...)

LOL @ Liquid Courage!!!

Harry Potter FTW!!!

There's absolutely no way the movies can do Half-Blood Prince and Deathly Hallows justice. None. Unless they do a trilogy called Harry Potter and the "Half-Blood Prince's Deathly Hallows" or something.

I can see both books being done in three movies, but not two.


Oh, and by the way, even Rowling loled @ "Snape kills Dumbledore".

[DaDesiCanadian]

I think you guys are forgetting that in the end, it's a childrens book, and her only pieces of serious prose, which is an incredible achievement. The fact that she's put so much depth and detail into a childrens book is amazing. Her "wizarding" world has so much thought put into it, and yet never delves into boring details like Tolkien. So yeah, you'll get some stupid archetypes like Luna and Harry/Ginny, but it's only to be expected. The books were long enough as it is, and Ginny's character was pretty well developed over the series imo. In the end it was either her or Hermione. Cho was obviously always an infatuation.

[beatsofdevil]

I feel the whole Ginny thing just popped outta nowhere...didn't make much sense...Cho made more sense..but whatev.

[Scorpio_G]

Favorite line: "As Harry drank the whisky a warm sensation filled him not unlike courage..." (Or something like that, I don't have the book in front of me...)

LOL @ Liquid Courage!!!

Harry Potter FTW!!!

There's absolutely no way the movies can do Half-Blood Prince and Deathly Hallows justice. None. Unless they do a trilogy called Harry Potter and the "Half-Blood Prince's Deathly Hallows" or something.

I can see both books being done in three movies, but not two.


Oh, and by the way, even Rowling loled @ "Snape kills Dumbledore".

" Snape kill(ed) Dumbledore" was in the book. I loled. :rofl:

[catchafire]

I think you guys are forgetting that in the end, it's a childrens book, and her only pieces of serious prose, which is an incredible achievement. The fact that she's put so much depth and detail into a childrens book is amazing. Her "wizarding" world has so much thought put into it, and yet never delves into boring details like Tolkien. So yeah, you'll get some stupid archetypes like Luna and Harry/Ginny, but it's only to be expected. The books were long enough as it is, and Ginny's character was pretty well developed over the series imo. In the end it was either her or Hermione. Cho was obviously always an infatuation.

It's not a Children's book if you ask me... Death has been the main theme through out the whole series. It's only marketed as a Children's book, when in reality it isn't.

[kof4life]

I feel the whole Ginny thing just popped outta nowhere...didn't make much sense...Cho made more sense..but whatev.

True, it was kind of out of the blue. But then again, Harry was Ginny's first crush and all, and I guess Rowling decided to revisit that. And for some reason, I always felt Ginny's jumping around from guy to guy, coupled with her attitude towards Harry, kind of showed that she was trying too hard to get over him.

[orochi_shin]

You know I understand why so many main and supporting characters died. I mean this is supposed to be a war, and I actually kind of liked the way she handled it. In war your best friend might die next to you the next day you know, I admit I didn't see the Lupin/Tonks death coming, I really thought Ron and Hermoine were gonna bite the big one.

But I still enjoyed the fuck outta the book, read it all in one sitting, couldn't stop reading it. I know Rowling's got plans on explaining the Potter universe, hopefully she'll concentrate more on the whole 19 years later thing.

[Jimmy the Hand]

Nice!!!! from: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19959323/

Harry, Ron and Hermione
We know that Harry marries Ginny and has three kids, essentially, as Rowling explains, creating the family and the peace and calm he never had as a child.

As for his occupation, Harry, along with Ron, is working at the Auror Department at the Ministry of Magic. After all these years, Harry is now the department head.

“Harry and Ron utterly revolutionized the Auror Department,” Rowling said. “They are now the experts. It doesn’t matter how old they are or what else they’ve done.”

Meanwhile, Hermione, Ron’s wife, is “pretty high up” in the Department of Magical Law Enforcement, despite laughing at the idea of becoming a lawyer in “Deathly Hallows.”

“I would imagine that her brainpower and her knowledge of how the Dark Arts operate would really give her a sound grounding,” Rowling said.

Harry, Ron and Hermione don’t join the same Ministry of Magic they had been at odds with for years; they revolutionize it and the ministry evolves into a “really good place to be.”

“They made a new world,” Rowling said.

The wizarding naturalist
Luna Lovegood, the eccentric Ravenclaw who was fascinated with Crumple-Horned Snorkacks and Umgubular Slashkilters, continues to march to the beat of her own drum.

“I think that Luna is now traveling the world looking for various mad creatures,” Rowling said. “She’s a naturalist, whatever the wizarding equivalent of that is.”

Luna comes to see the truth about her father, eventually acknowledging there are some creatures that don’t exist.

“But I do think that she’s so open-minded and just an incredible person that she probably would be uncovering things that no one’s ever seen before,” Rowling said.

Luna and Neville Longbottom?
It’s possible Luna has also found love with another member of the D.A.

When she was first asked about the possibility of Luna hooking up with Neville Longbottom several years ago, Rowling’s response was “Definitely not.” But as time passed and she watched her characters mature, Rowling started to “feel a bit of a pull” between the unlikely pair.

Ultimately, Rowling left the question of their relationship open at the end of the book because doing otherwise “felt too neat.”

Mr. and Mrs. Longbottom: “The damage is done.”

There is no chance, however, that Neville’s parents, who were tortured into madness by Bellatrix Lestrange, ever left St. Mungo’s Hospital for Magical Maladies.

“I know people really wanted some hope for that, and I can quite see why because, in a way, what happens to Neville’s parents is even worse than what happened to Harry’s parents,” Rowling said. “The damage that is done, in some cases with very dark magic, is done permanently.”
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Rowling said Neville finds happiness in his grandmother’s acceptance of him as a gifted wizard and as the new herbology professor at Hogwarts.

The fate of Hogwarts
Nineteen years after the Battle of Hogwarts, the school for witchcraft and wizardry is led by an entirely new headmaster (“McGonagall was really getting on a bit”) as well as a new Defense Against the Dark Arts teacher. That position is now as safe as the other teaching posts at Hogwarts, since Voldemort’s death broke the jinx that kept a Defense Against the Dark Arts professor from remaining for more than a year.

While Rowling didn’t clarify whether Harry, Ron and Hermione ever return to school to finish their seventh year, she did say she could see Harry popping up every now and again to give the “odd talk” on Defense Against the Dark Arts.

[Wild Kitty]

I think people are still misunderstand what lots of people are saying about us being upset with the way people died in the book.

It's not the fact that they died, we knew people were going to die, some main or supporting characters were bound to die. It was such a long series and the only real significant death we had was Cedric's. What we are upset about is the fact that they were just dead. This applies mainly to Lupin and Tonks. Atleast we saw Fred get hit with the spell and laying there dead.

Lupin and Tonks, who I think Rowling knew were some of people's more favorite characters (I'm basing this on the fact that Lupin was just a misunderstood werewolf and Tonks' eccentricity was very amsuing), were done no justice in the way they died. I have no problem with the fact that they died, but just give us a little more info or something. She goes through all this trouble and all we get is Harry walking into the Great Hall and sees their bodies laying there next to Fred's. I guess we were supposed to feel the same shock that Harry felt when he saw them there, but I dunno, it just seemed like "Okay, I need some more people to die. Tonks and Lupin it is... I'm not even gonna bother writing it in, Harry can just walk in on them after the first wave of battle" to me.

Yes, I am still bitching about this

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Nice!!!! from: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19959323/

Already posted.

[Jedi W.]

It's not a Children's book if you ask me... Death has been the main theme through out the whole series. It's only marketed as a Children's book, when in reality it isn't.

I don't think death makes it not a children's book. Only in today's society do we consider death taboo. I got reads lots of stories as a kid that were Thai and Chinese in origin that had no problem with death.

I will concede that these books were meant for younger people, whether younger by age or younger at heart.

--jedi\/\/.

[DaFlipMastaXV]

I think people are still misunderstand what lots of people are saying about us being upset with the way people died in the book.

It's not the fact that they died, we knew people were going to die, some main or supporting characters were bound to die. It was such a long series and the only real significant death we had was Cedric's. What we are upset about is the fact that they were just dead. This applies mainly to Lupin and Tonks. Atleast we saw Fred get hit with the spell and laying there dead.



I'm pretty sure there were 2 significant deaths, one in OotP, and the other in HBP. One was Harry's only "real" family, the other was only the best wizard in the world.

[Wild Kitty]

I'm pretty sure there were 2 significant deaths, one in OotP, and the other in HBP. One was Harry's only "real" family, the other was only the best wizard in the world.

Haha, I wasn't even thinking about those guys. Completely slipped my mind...

my bad

[angryliberal]

i've voiced my opinions many times about the lupin/tonks issue, and i don't think it's ever going to set right with me. lupin was hands down, my favorite order emmber and favorite character in the books. i know we didn't get to see much of him, but i always loved him. tonks is whatever to me, but lupin should have gone out like a warrior, not as an aside...

[DaDesiCanadian]

It's not a Children's book if you ask me... Death has been the main theme through out the whole series. It's only marketed as a Children's book, when in reality it isn't.

Umm, it's a childrens book. It's just that you silly American's are pretty sheltered. British literature is usually much darker.

[Pained Auron]

finished the book last night. fred's death was the only one that got to me. i nearly started screaming when i got to the part about mrs weasley and bellatrix. can't wait to see this in action when the movie is released in 2010

[Irennicus]

The fact that Mrs. Weasley took out Bellatrix fucking Lestrange was absolutely absurd. Bellatrix is well-established to be a very powerful and maniacal witch. In my opinion it would've taken an extremely gifted Witch/Wizard to take her down (someone along the lines of McGonnagal, Shacklebolt, or Flitwick).

I thought the writing around Fred's death was absolutely astounding. "His last laugh etched upon his face", that got to me for sure.

I loved Snape's chapter. Severus was my favorite character in the series by a fucking mile and the way his story was told was just phenomenal.

Neville&Hermione were probably the two most useful characters in the whole fucking book. Hermione was constantly like, "Oh, I remembered to bring this", "Oh, I read this in a book somewhere", "The answer is this", "You need this", Harry would've been fucking lost without her. And Neville fucking kept Dumbledore's Army going like a champ. Hail Neville and Hermione.

[elitericerocket]

The fact that Mrs. Weasley took out Bellatrix fucking Lestrange was absolutely absurd. Bellatrix is well-established to be a very powerful and maniacal witch. In my opinion it would've taken an extremely gifted Witch/Wizard to take her down (someone along the lines of McGonnagal, Shacklebolt, or Flitwick).

I thought the writing around Fred's death was absolutely astounding. "His last laugh etched upon his face", that got to me for sure.

I loved Snape's chapter. Severus was my favorite character in the series by a fucking mile and the way his story was told was just phenomenal.

Neville&Hermione were probably the two most useful characters in the whole fucking book. Hermione was constantly like, "Oh, I remembered to bring this", "Oh, I read this in a book somewhere", "The answer is this", "You need this", Harry would've been fucking lost without her. And Neville fucking kept Dumbledore's Army going like a champ. Hail Neville and Hermione.

Yeah, I was hoping Neville would have fucked up Bellatrix.

[DaDesiCanadian]

The fact that Mrs. Weasley took out Bellatrix fucking Lestrange was absolutely absurd. Bellatrix is well-established to be a very powerful and maniacal witch. In my opinion it would've taken an extremely gifted Witch/Wizard to take her down (someone along the lines of McGonnagal, Shacklebolt, or Flitwick).

I thought the writing around Fred's death was absolutely astounding. "His last laugh etched upon his face", that got to me for sure.

I loved Snape's chapter. Severus was my favorite character in the series by a fucking mile and the way his story was told was just phenomenal.

Neville&Hermione were probably the two most useful characters in the whole fucking book. Hermione was constantly like, "Oh, I remembered to bring this", "Oh, I read this in a book somewhere", "The answer is this", "You need this", Harry would've been fucking lost without her. And Neville fucking kept Dumbledore's Army going like a champ. Hail Neville and Hermione.

The Weasleys are both immensely gifted/powerful, read between the lines. Here are my reasons for thinking so:

Wizarding scrubs would never be allowed into the OOTP. The Weasleys have always been portrayed as the "good" counterparts to the Malfoys. They're just as powerful, but instead of being greedy and ambitious, they're happy with the life they have, and put their family ahead of power. Mr. Weasley has always been described as being worthy of promotion, but he's the one who doesn't want to move from the muggle artefacts or w/e his job position is. Mrs. Weasley is always using powerful magic, just to do household tasks. It's not hard to extrapolate from there. And the most important part, it was the Weasley's house that was chosen to hide Harry.

And yeah, as I said, I think Fred's was easily the most powerful death in the book, if not the series.

[Jimmy the Hand]

The Weasleys are both immensely gifted/powerful, read between the lines. Here are my reasons for thinking so:

Wizarding scrubs would never be allowed into the OOTP.

I do not think that that is true to an extent. Look at Mundungus Fletcher, although it was explained that he had certain connections that they could exploit. Plus I don't think they would exclude anyone, although they would more likely offer them protection than membership, but I do agree with your opinion that the Weasleys are powerful.

Also other magical scrubs in the Order are:

Hagrid
Peter Pettigrew - defected obviously
Arabella Figg - a squib

[DaDesiCanadian]

I do not think that that is true to an extent. Look at Mundungus Fletcher, although it was explained that he had certain connections that they could exploit. Plus I don't think they would exclude anyone, although they would more likely offer them protection than membership, but I do agree with your opinion that the Weasleys are powerful.

Also other magical scrubs in the Order are:

Hagrid
Peter Pettigrew - defected obviously
Arabella Figg - a squib

Thats partly true, although the rest of my stuff still stands. Arabella Figg is the only scrub in that list. Hagrid is definitely not a scrub, i'm not sure where you got that from. He can't do magic that well, but he still rapes. Every single fight he's been in, he's pretty much come out top. Spells don't work well on him, and the motherfucker TACKLED VOLDEMORT. In the air!!!

Peter and Mundungus are both cowards, but not scrubs. Peter is an animagus, blasted 33 people, managed to escape, blame it on someone else, brought Voldemort back to power, and became his personal assistant.

[Jedi W.]

The Weasleys are both immensely gifted/powerful, read between the lines. Here are my reasons for thinking so:

Wizarding scrubs would never be allowed into the OOTP. The Weasleys have always been portrayed as the "good" counterparts to the Malfoys. They're just as powerful, but instead of being greedy and ambitious, they're happy with the life they have, and put their family ahead of power. Mr. Weasley has always been described as being worthy of promotion, but he's the one who doesn't want to move from the muggle artefacts or w/e his job position is. Mrs. Weasley is always using powerful magic, just to do household tasks. It's not hard to extrapolate from there. And the most important part, it was the Weasley's house that was chosen to hide Harry.

And yeah, as I said, I think Fred's was easily the most powerful death in the book, if not the series.

I seem to remember somewhere that the female line that family is ridiculously powerful. Take Ginny, who tends to blow shit up. All the other Weasleys are quite gifted. It's just that we have to see Ron all the time, who's probably the weakest link, really.

I was still hoping Neville would have gotten the chance to take the bitch out, though.

--jedi\/\/.

[Pained Auron]

I was still hoping Neville would have gotten the chance to take the bitch out, though.

--jedi\/\/.

you and me both. but it was still good nontheless.

[angryliberal]

the weasleys are definately an insanely powerful family. everyone dismisses how much magic she commands all the time, just in cleaning the house. now, does that translate to powerful dueling? no, but she was in the og order, she is in the new order, her magic casting is very proficient - bellatrix is like 10-11 years without magic. her defeat of sirius was more his arrogance than her skill. i liked that molly got to show her power for once. also, this woman almost killed her only daughter. look how she is with her kids, she goes crazy if anything threatens them. her biggest fear is losing her family as shown by the boggart in phoenix, so the emotion and rage was there...i think bellatrix was beaten before she started...

[DaDesiCanadian]

I seem to remember somewhere that the female line that family is ridiculously powerful. Take Ginny, who tends to blow shit up. All the other Weasleys are quite gifted. It's just that we have to see Ron all the time, who's probably the weakest link, really.

I was still hoping Neville would have gotten the chance to take the bitch out, though.

--jedi\/\/.

the weasleys are definately an insanely powerful family. everyone dismisses how much magic she commands all the time, just in cleaning the house. now, does that translate to powerful dueling? no, but she was in the og order, she is in the new order, her magic casting is very proficient - bellatrix is like 10-11 years without magic. her defeat of sirius was more his arrogance than her skill. i liked that molly got to show her power for once. also, this woman almost killed her only daughter. look how she is with her kids, she goes crazy if anything threatens them. her biggest fear is losing her family as shown by the boggart in phoenix, so the emotion and rage was there...i think bellatrix was beaten before she started...

Yep, everything I was trying to say. Ron = failure weasley.

[BBCampbell]

Yep, everything I was trying to say. Ron = failure weasley.

Failure at spells (and a whole lot more), but he's darn good at Quidditch and lest we forget from the first book, chess, which both could mean a master tactician.


...That is, when he's not doing his Shaggy from Scooby-Doo/Costello impression...

[Scorpio_G]

Ron is the kid in your class who was in the Learning Disabled class before he went to Middle School. He get's C's in all the subjects but if he's doing one subject he's really good at or tries really hard at something he does spectacular stuff, and he's a nice guy.

That's why I like Ron. :)

[Pimp Willy]

New updates with JK answering questions. Clarifies a bit about Lupin and Tonks:

http://www.mugglenet.com/app/news/full_story/1156

Lupin killed by Doholov.
Tonks killed by Bellatrix (big surprise here).

[Digitalbooty]

Ron is the kid in your class who was in the Learning Disabled class before he went to Middle School. He get's C's in all the subjects but if he's doing one subject he's really good at or tries really hard at something he does spectacular stuff, and he's a nice guy.

That's why I like Ron. :)

Sounds like my dumb ass.

[gunners]

I wouldn't really call Ron useless, he received Es for the majority of his subject at OWL level and went on to be an aura. He just can't shine because he is around Harry and Hermione.

Lupin and Tonks death I don't think was poorly done, it's a war where people die. The fact that Harry wasn't present at the death highlights the realism of it all. If he was present at the death of every major character it would seem false. Them being dead side by side is good enough. I was hoping that Fred would come out the stone and his owl would guide him though.

[Biolink]

E is the top marks right?

Anyway I just finished the story yesterday,and I thought the ending was very well done.At least she had the courtesy to give some fan-fare into what happend once everything was over.I also wish people would stop calling Ron low-tier.He may act like a retard most of the time,but the guy's probably a genius.We hear all of this stuff about him having the presence of mind to speak Parsel tongue at the Chamber of Secrets,and as a duelist he actually became pretty formidable.


The one bit that confused me though was that somehow Draco became the owner of the Elder Wand,but he never killed Dumbledore,and then when Harry forced Draco to give his wand up,it changed owners?

That didn't make sense.

I understand that Dumbledore was aiming for a loophole in the system so that technically he could never be defeated,because he had already planned his own death.That did not make it any less confusing.

[beatsofdevil]

E is the top marks right?

Anyway I just finished the story yesterday,and I thought the ending was very well done.At least she had the courtesy to give some fan-fare into what happend once everything was over.I also wish people would stop calling Ron low-tier.He may act like a retard most of the time,but the guy's probably a genius.We hear all of this stuff about him having the presence of mind to speak Parsel tongue at the Chamber of Secrets,and as a duelist he actually became pretty formidable.


The one bit that confused me though was that somehow Draco became the owner of the Elder Wand,but he never killed Dumbledore,and then when Harry forced Draco to give his wand up,it changed owners?

That didn't make sense.

I understand that Dumbledore was aiming for a loophole in the system so that technically he could never be defeated,because he had already planned his own death.That did not make it any less confusing.ownership didn't have so much to do with death, but with taking it forcefully.

harry took it forcefully.

dumbly's plan was for snape to kill him and take the wand...but none of it would've been forceful so then it would be null

but draco took it forcefully which dumbly didn't expect...but it worked out in the end didn't it?

just is that usually when the wand was takin forcedully before..the owner died due to battle

[Biolink]

Thanks for clearing that bit up.

[DaDesiCanadian]

E is the top marks right?

Anyway I just finished the story yesterday,and I thought the ending was very well done.At least she had the courtesy to give some fan-fare into what happend once everything was over.I also wish people would stop calling Ron low-tier.He may act like a retard most of the time,but the guy's probably a genius.We hear all of this stuff about him having the presence of mind to speak Parsel tongue at the Chamber of Secrets,and as a duelist he actually became pretty formidable.




The Ron speaking parseltongue seemed more deus ex than anything else.

He always struck me as the person in the group with the weakest strength of character, but someone who really represented the friendship/loyalty aspect. As Harry said, it's not important that Ron left, but it's more important that he came back.

[DaFlipMastaXV]

I believe O, Outstanding is best, then E, Exceeds Expectations

[MegamanDS]

Just finished the book tonight and read this thread. I agree with you guys on the epilouge. Pretty short and confusing with all the names.

I just have a few questions...

1. How did draco become the true owner of the elder wand? I dont remember him defeating dumbledore.

2. Who was the baby crying during harry and dumbledores talk?


And all the stuff that JK is answering online and stuff about the deaths, why not just put it in the book. I dont want to go online searching for stuff about the book. Did she forget and fans were asking and bugging her so she just made stuff up?

Also, R.I.P. sorting hat, that was the most painful death. brought a tear to my eye :sad:

EDIT: Also, why was the number 7 so important? 7 books, was suppose to be released on 7-7-07, 7 weasly kids, 7 people killed my voldemort that was important etc...

[eks]

Just finished the book tonight and read this thread. I agree with you guys on the epilouge. Pretty short and confusing with all the names.

I just have a few questions...

1. How did draco become the true owner of the elder wand? I dont remember him defeating dumbledore.

2. Who was the baby crying during harry and dumbledores talk?


And all the stuff that JK is answering online and stuff about the deaths, why not just put it in the book. I dont want to go online searching for stuff about the book. Did she forget and fans were asking and bugging her so she just made stuff up?

Also, R.I.P. sorting hat, that was the most painful death. brought a tear to my eye :sad:

1. disarmed him

2. the very little left of voldemorts fucked up soul or similar

[MegamanDS]

1. disarmed him

2. the very little left of voldemorts fucked up soul or similar
1. when did that happen?

2. you guessing?

[Bullet Tooth]

the sorting hat is ok as they mention it in the epilouge.

and draco disarmed dumbledore in the sixthed book right before he was killed.

[pr0k]

1. when did that happen?

2. you guessing?

Draco disarmed Dumbledore, which made him the owner of the Elder wand. That plays into the fact that Voldemort doesn't understand the fact that disarming someone can be as powerful as killing them.

And it's well known that the thing crying in Harry's mind while him and Dumbledore converse is Voldemort. It's the broken, single piece of Voldy, and is actually no threat to Harry. At this point, Harry has surpassed Voldemort, due to destroying the Horcux part of him, and Voldemort "is nothing we should worry about" at this point, to quote Albus.

Reread it another time, and I will bet you catch the small details hinting at this.

[Biolink]

J.K. Rowling has incredible foreshadowing abilities