wtf itagaki? DOA4 the premier fighting game?

[Cryptlord]

Our goal with Ninja Gaiden 2 is to create the world's premier action game, just as DOA4 was the premier fighting game when it was released at the 360's launch and remains the premier fighting game today. I know that a lot of our fans played the first NG as being a masterpiece and being flawless. However, as a team, we don't necessarily agree all the time.

I understand promoting your game but that's just a really bad lie. Fans thought NG was flawless but we didn't? NG had a pretty horrible camera angle to me. I'll give him some credit for making NG and milking it as much as he could but DOA4...

[purifyweirdsoul]

Well, it is the most successful and sees the most publicity by far, being featured along with the other big games at WCG, MLG and whatever. I imagine that more people casually play DOA4 than the entire Street Fighter scene altogether.

[BEWD]

I understand promoting your game but that's just a really bad lie. Fans thought NG was flawless but we didn't? NG had a pretty horrible camera angle to me. I'll give him some credit for making NG and milking it as much as he could but DOA4...

Trust me man, this isn't news, Itagaki's been saying stupid shit since day one. We all know this as well as we know that he needs an acid facial. Just enjoy Ninja Gaiden and you'll be fine.

[Corner-Trap]

I'm pretty sure Tekken beats DOA in overall popularity.

[Overworld]

You expect him to say otherwise? In a world where every movie is the number one movie of the year/summer/insert time frame, you're surprised that Itagaki would say one of his own creations was flawless. (Or well put the words in our mouths.)

What I'm surprised at, is that he somehow failed to manage a shot at Tekken in there.

[Tigerboi]

purifyweirdsoul: Smash. I'd say that EASILY has a bigger casual scene than DOA.

dude, he's very arrogant. All that sounds like things he would say. nothing suprising here.

And the NG community all has thier complaints about NG. Nobody thought it was perfect.

[NykkoMT]

I liek DoA4...

But srsly, DoA is a good fighting game[well, to me at least]
But theres more indepth/better fighters to play.

My 2 cents.

Lei-fang FTW!!!


*runs*

[Tigerboi]

Let me ask this: Does anybody actually care?

[goodm0urning]

Anybody who is even passingly familiar with this guy's interviews knows that he lives with his head up his ass. Take what he has to say with a grain of salt.

[polarity]

itagaki is the fighting game scenes greatest troll, hes my role model

[Tigerboi]

Let me ask this: Does anybody actually care?

I mean, seriously.

[DietSoap]

I'm pretty sure Tekken beats DOA in overall popularity. Indeed. DOA releases always hover around 1 million sold marks (Excellent), but Tekken typically gets multi million.

Tekken 5 particularly sold 4.3 million.

[Tigerboi]

I 've never known if it'd be proper to call him a troll or a hater.

Leaning more towards the latter.

[tl613]

Maybe he just meant on the 360? Because after all that is the only fighting game on that system.

[Tigerboi]

Maybe he just meant on the 360? Because after all that is the only fighting game on that system.

He used the the word "World's" at the start of the statement.

[goodm0urning]

Maybe he just meant on the 360? Because after all that is the only fighting game on that system.Nah, he definitely meant premier fighting game, period. For a long time, he's had a serious hard-on for attacking other fighting games in order to promote the DOA series. Tekken is one of his favorite targets.

[tl613]

Nah, he definitely meant premier fighting game, period. For a long time, he's had a serious hard-on for attacking other fighting games in order to promote the DOA series. Tekken is one of his favorite targets.

I know. I was being sarcastic. I guess I fail at sarcasm :confused:

[Return of Shiki]

Tekken 5 particularly sold 4.3 million.

...the fuck did you get THAT number from?

[BEWD]

I 've never known if it'd be proper to call him a troll or a hater.

Leaning more towards the latter.

Well, he has the troll looks down. :angel:

[Shadowcuz]

dam i just had to post this..

http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/3708/oatmealcookiealmost1sf8.jpg

[orka]

o noes! itagaki called doa4 the best fighting game on earth!! omgwtfbbq. rock paper scissors rofl. where's magneto. lol vf is better.

most of srk don't play doa4, and most of srk already know that itagaki has a ego problem.

so it's rather silly for people to make these threads every time they read a article quoting itagaki, don't you think?

[Tigerboi]

thank you.

[laugh]

This is exactly the reason why I didn't say a word to him when he was standing right next to me at LAX.

[NykkoMT]

I wonder, if DoA were to be more in depth and stategized, would srk stop talkin shit about it?

[The Epidemic]

^if srk talks shit about 3s...i dont see the doa hate stopping anytime soon

[Tigerboi]

Overall depth < Fun factor.

I just don't think DOA gameplay is that fun, no matter how "deep" it gets.

[EvilSamurai]

If DOA did not have boobs then it would be worse than Primal Rage.

[ParryAll]

I understand promoting your game but that's just a really bad lie. Fans thought NG was flawless but we didn't? NG had a pretty horrible camera angle to me. I'll give him some credit for making NG and milking it as much as he could but DOA4...

Umm what do you expect Itagaki to say?

Whether you agree with him or not is up to you. I agree that Ninja Gaiden is the worlds premier action game, but I disagree about DOA4. Whatever.

Oh and yes this totally deserves its own thread. This is like, teh biggest deal evar oh my god.

[Sonichuman]

Nah, he definitely meant premier fighting game, period. For a long time, he's had a serious hard-on for attacking other fighting games in order to promote the DOA series. Tekken is one of his favorite targets.

And he likes to attack Devil may Cry to promote NG. Imo on that note...there's no doubt that NG is good...but comparing it to devil may cry's system ESPECIALLY 3's is complete bullshit.

[NykkoMT]

^if srk talks shit about 3s...i dont see the doa hate stopping anytime soon



Eh, true.
Hate it or love it, I guess.

[Tigerboi]

If DOA did not have boobs then it would be worse than Primal Rage.

like other fighting games don't have overexaggerated and often unrealistic depictions of women?

[Henaki]

like other fighting games don't have overexaggerated and often unrealistic depictions of women?

they dont make games about their female fighting game characters in bikinis eatings strawberries and cream off eachother

[Tigerboi]

they dont make games about their female fighting game characters in bikinis eatings strawberries and cream off eachother

Ok, but they still have overexaggerated and often unrealistic depictions of women, right?

[Murt!]

Ok, but they still have overexaggerated and often unrealistic depictions of women, right?

While it's true that they do, DOA takes it to a whole other (jiggly) level.

[Virtua_Leon]

With the exception of doa 1 i didn't think it was jiggly at all.

Let the guy say what he likes, whatever helps him sleep at night

As for NG "masterpiece" and "flawless" are not exactly words i'd use to describe it

[Knapstar]

I'm pretty sure Tekken beats DOA in overall popularity.

I am sure it does but I am sure the T/A sure as hell make it close. I know of many gaming purists that don't take DOA seriously because of the emphasize on the visuals and not the game play which in my opinion doesn't compare to VF, SF, SC, or Tekken overall. At least it is consistently the best looking game, DOA3 had the title as the best looking game most people ever seen for a while until DOA4 took that title from it when it released on the 360 passing the torch from one game to another in the same series.

[Helter Skelter]

I did a bit of research on Itagaki, for an article about ' Hype in Games' (isn't finished) a while back.
I haven't played too much of DOA4 (I play and prefer other games). However, it does seem to have some ACTUAL depth in it.


Anyway, I what baffles me is. The way gamers use the whole 'Tits & Ass', thing, as a negative towards the series. And not really anything, in regards to the gameplay.

This is supposedly, a direct quote from Itagaki himself.

"I wanted to do something that would attract people's attention as I worked on the DOA game. Of course, DOA is known for its bouncing breasts. Well, I didn't come up with that idea originally. I actually got the idea from one of SNK's 2D fighting games Garou Densetsu. Of course, when I applied it to a 3D game, it was almost too much for people.

Its weird, that no other game with various nods to fandom, get shot down.
I dunno. I can name many fighting games, with 'Tits & Ass' that preceed, DOA.
Killer Instinct, Garou Densetsu, the Vampire games, Mortal Kombat , etc.

I think (this is an assumption). that most players here. Don't even know why they hate the series. lol.


Also, yes. Ninja Gaiden is CONSIDERABLY better than the DMC series.
However, without DMC. It would have probably not been, what it is now.

[cain[e]]

Boring gameplay, stupid counter system, feels sluggish

[Bob Poundmax]

More threads about Itagaki not knowing when to shut the fuck up.

[Chipp Zanuff v5]

Let me ask this: Does anybody actually care?

nope

[BEWD]

Umm what do you expect Itagaki to say?

Whether you agree with him or not is up to you. I agree that Ninja Gaiden is the worlds premier action game, but I disagree about DOA4. Whatever.

Oh and yes this totally deserves its own thread. This is like, teh biggest deal evar oh my god.

qft, talking about it is EXACTLY what pizza-face wants, bad publicity is still publicity, just let it fly.

[Rick_Son]

DOA4? Premier Fighting Game?

:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

To Me it would be

1. Virtua Fighter 5
2. Tekken 5 DR
3. Dead or Alive 4

[TornadoFlame]

DOA4? Premier Fighting Game?

:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

To Me it would be

1. Virtua Fighter 5
2. Tekken 5 DR
3. Soul Calibur
4. Soul Calibur 2
5. Virtua Fighter 4EVO
6. Street Fighter EX3
7. Tobal 2
8. Battle Arena Toshinden
9. Ehrgeiz
10. Bloody Roar 4
11. Dead or Alive 4

:rofl: Fixed for Teh Funniez

[Rick_Son]

:rofl: Fixed for Teh Funniez

Thanks for fixing that list for me :rofl::rofl:

[Virtua_Leon]

I did a bit of research on Itagaki, for an article about ' Hype in Games' (isn't finished) a while back.
I haven't played too much of DOA4 (I play and prefer other games). However, it does seem to have some ACTUAL depth in it.


Anyway, I what baffles me is. The way gamers use the whole 'Tits & Ass', thing, as a negative towards the series. And not really anything, in regards to the gameplay.

This is supposedly, a direct quote from Itagaki himself.

"I wanted to do something that would attract people's attention as I worked on the DOA game. Of course, DOA is known for its bouncing breasts. Well, I didn't come up with that idea originally. I actually got the idea from one of SNK's 2D fighting games Garou Densetsu. Of course, when I applied it to a 3D game, it was almost too much for people.

Its weird, that no other game with various nods to fandom, get shot down.
I dunno. I can name many fighting games, with 'Tits & Ass' that preceed, DOA.
Killer Instinct, Garou Densetsu, the Vampire games, Mortal Kombat , etc.

I think (this is an assumption). that most players here. Don't even know why they hate the series. lol.




you bring up some very good points there is alot of double standards I dont remember anybody complaining about pai and durals added jiggle in vf4.
As for knowing the reason for actually hating the series i think the first time i played doa2 and lost half a bar because of a counter by a stunned opponent whilst going for a combo put me right off, not to mention the massive window.
I dont think i've ever met anybody that hates doa because of a few scantily clad girls, the vast majority of people i know just hate the counter system.

I think doa has potential but it's up to itagaki to stop with stupid vollyball/ minigame teenage boy wet dream games which i belive actually hurt doas allready fragile reputation, i think he also has to realize that the whole thing that made doa so "special" (in his warped mind at least) the whole counter system just does not work.

Before any doa fanboys come and spout how many millions it's sold how it has been a tourneyment game and all that other bollocks ask yourself a question, remove all the girl characters all bar say 1 or 2 and replace them with beefy men named sven and mohammed, would we be having this discussion? i dont think so because doa would have died years ago with all the other shitty 3d fighters.

[Pasteycracker]

Yea, Itagaki is definitely full of himself.

I used to play DOA4 quite a bit.. however, the gameplay does get super old... what? you're getting hit? SPAM BLOCK + DIRECTION AND COUNTER! That's essentially the only tactic that game has IMO. Yes, graphics look good, boobs galore, but that doesn't make it the "world's premier fighter." And the online play adds in some fun for the game... however when you realize that half the people you play with are kids who are more annoying than nails being drug on a chalk board, you quickly cancel your xbox live account/stop playing doa4 online.

NG I thought was flawless... if you take out the often horrible camera angle. OH WAIT, THAT'S A FLAW. Great game? Indeed. Flawless? Nope.

[Shibuya]

DOA4? Premier Fighting Game?

:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

To Me it would be

1. Virtua Fighter 5
2. Tekken 5 DR
3. Dead or Alive 4

VF5? At least DOA4 has knocking through buildings, downstairs, or other crazy shyt appealing to the eye.

VF5 is like a slower DOA with more boring combos and gameplay

[dbostick]

Itagaki knows deep down that his fighter is as fun as licking sausages off his pock marked pizza face from hell.

[Tigerboi]

While it's true that they do, DOA takes it to a whole other (jiggly) level.

Taki. I mean, c'mon. as far as silliness in design goes, she owns EVERY DOA girl. DOA is not the only series that does this. It's just the only one talked about for it for some reason.

Like GTA and violent video games.

[Akuma4Real]

Itagaki is a comedian. His stand-up is REALLY good. I almost fell out of my chair, it was amazing!

[INCIDENT]

VF5? At least DOA4 has knocking through buildings, downstairs, or other crazy shyt appealing to the eye.
So adding a bunch of semi pointless crap that doesn't really add anything to the game other than it "looks cool" matters most in the end. Right.

*looks at recent MKs*

VF5 is like a slower DOA with more boring combos and gameplay
If you're implying that VF5 is slow with "boring combos," you either 1) haven't seen good high-level play, 2) have barely played the game if not at all or 3) you're smoking crack.

And honestly, does faster always mean better?

Also, yes. Ninja Gaiden is CONSIDERABLY better than the DMC series.
However, without DMC. It would have probably not been, what it is now.
In the same way, you can also say without VF, DOA would have never existed.

[Murt!]

Taki. I mean, c'mon. as far as silliness in design goes, she owns EVERY DOA girl. DOA is not the only series that does this. It's just the only one talked about for it for some reason.

Like GTA and violent video games.

Not only is Taki the only character in her series to sport grossly overrated cleavage, it's done in a much more realistic fashion than that of DOA ( where every girl looks exactly alike, has enormous breasts, and plastic skin). Other series do do it, but as I stated before DOA sets the bar for retarded breasts higher than any other game.

[G.O.T]

Also, yes. Ninja Gaiden is CONSIDERABLY better than the DMC series.
However, without DMC. It would have probably not been, what it is now.

............*(thinks to myself: "be respectful")*

[SwmmrManShen]

As much as i dislike the game, i respect the fact that it has gotten itself the exposure that the rest of the community lacks.

Maybe if capcom made a good new 2d fighter that sold well, WCG or someshit would pick it up

[Tigerboi]

Not only is Taki the only character in her series to sport grossly overrated cleavage, it's done in a much more realistic fashion than that of DOA ( where every girl looks exactly alike, has enormous breasts, and plastic skin). Other series do do it, but as I stated before DOA sets the bar for retarded breasts higher than any other game.



Sophita, Ivy, Cassandra (as of SCIV)? not only that, but the girls that AREN'T stupidly endowed, end up looking like strippers.


It isn't a big deal but ALOT of video games of stupid female designs. (see, 98% of rpgs)


And the "doll" look isn't just on the girls. that's just the DOA art style. It was seen in Ninja gaidan to.

[Tura Satana]

DOA having the best graphics is an arguable notion. Do some of you know that skin doesn't really look like that?

As for DOA having potential.. unfortunately it will never be realized because Itagaki thinks his fighter is flawless already.

Its easy to have big sales when almost all your games are launch titles.

[Red Exodus]

dam i just had to post this..

http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/3708/oatmealcookiealmost1sf8.jpg

Either Itagaki is a vampire, or he is without a doubt the ugliest Japanese man in
the world.

[Tigerboi]

DOA having the best graphics is an arguable notion. Do some of you know that skin doesn't really look like that?


Ok, seriously, what makes people think that he tries to make DOA characters even look realistic? One of the girls has naturally purple hair for god's sake.

[Gojira]

Itagaki, I don't know the guy personally but every time I see him say stuff like this I get the following impression: him running down the street going "SASASASASASASASA" and posing heroically in front of convenience stores like "ZUBAAA~" when he's about to buy cigarettes then punching random old people and cats. Like some flapjack version of Pepsiman

[power333]

Come on. The guy obviously knows he is talking BS. He just wants easy publicity.

Almost every hardcore fighting gamer in the world knows that DoA is not all that. And casuals still play more Smash, MK, Tekken or other genders.

Even Ninja Gaiden is a flop in a way. It is hard for a new generation game, but has nothing on the old 8 or 16 bit games that could drive a man crazy. More than that, any single player game is by default easier than the challenges you can have playing against humans. Beat JWong and claim otherwise. And it is a nice game for sure, but is no God of War, and it certainly has no chances of outselling GTA anytime soon.

He is like the Dark Prince of the gaming development world. He is kinda good, he makes some money, but thinks he is something completely out of his league. I cant wait to see him trashing the new Super Mario or whatever.

And if I want pretty graphics I just turn on HBO.

[Ki Shima]

^ you had me completely till you mentioned god of war :rofl:

[Cyric]

I dont care what anyone says about the DOA girls, IMO their character designs a far superior to the shit that Capcom put in 3S (though I still like the game) and the skinny homos in the KOF series.
As far as the DOA gameplay goes, I used to think the single player was good fun (DOAU). You can just kind of zone out and land some cool looking counters. Good fun IMO.
Never played high level comp, so I cant say about that.

[The Epidemic]

I dont care what anyone says about the DOA girls, IMO their character designs a far superior to the shit that Capcom put in 3S (though I still like the game) and the skinny homos in the KOF series.
As far as the DOA gameplay goes, I used to think the single player was good fun (DOAU). You can just kind of zone out and land some cool looking counters. Good fun IMO.
Never played high level comp, so I cant say about that.

:rofl:

you cant be serious...whats so good about the doa character designs? Almost every character is a bland stereotype of their fighting style. Only good character design in doa is Jann Lee (best Bruce copy) and Christie. Theres nothing original about any of the ninja outfits whatsoever.

yea you definetly gotta be joking:rofl: comparing 3s to a xbox360 game..wow

[Shinto]

Law's Bruce Lee > > > Jann's Bruce Lee (IMOOOOOO)

[Cyric]

:rofl:

you cant be serious...whats so good about the doa character designs? Almost every character is a bland stereotype of their fighting style. Only good character design in doa is Jann Lee (best Bruce copy) and Christie. Theres nothing original about any of the ninja outfits whatsoever.

yea you definetly gotta be joking:rofl: comparing 3s to a xbox360 game..wow


I know what your saying but personally I'd prefer to play a badass (if somewhat generic) Mr Miyagi kind of kung fu fighter ( Gen Fu) or Ninja (Ryu) or soldier (Bayman looks way meaner than Rolento). I dont really consider Kasumi to look that generic though. But I do admit her outfit is very similar to Mai.
Being a hetrosexual male, I like looking at a healthy female figures. I pretty much like the design of all the female characters except for Helenas crappy ponytail and Ayanes purple hair. But still overall, I like DOAs char designs.
3s has the WORST character design. A chick in a karate outfit with size 50 feet who looks just like Sakura. Crap. Some 40kg emo who spends more time combing his girly hair than fighting. Lame. Then theres Necro, Q, Urien etc... C'mon this stuff is self explanatory. These character designs suck! I like Alex and Dudley though.
Nothings perfect, and all fighting game rosters will have their weak links but for me, 3S has the most.

[cain[e]]

Fei Long's Bruce > all

[The Epidemic]

Jann Lee is the only one who use Jeet Kune do tho..and actuall fights like Bruce Lee. Jann>Law>Fei imo.

@Cyric
-Im not gonna lie when i first played 3s on Dc i though Makoto was a dude..and Uriens thong looked gay as hell to me. I still think Necro looks wack but, at least these characters are original looking.

-And kOF have some nice character designs. Imo they havbe the best out of any fighting game.

Back On Subject

Why are ppl still taking Itagaki so seriously? You guys act like you wouldnt Hype a game you made.

[Hatred Edge]

:arazz:Back the fuck off of Ayane! I think shes hot. What? I got a thing for chicks with purple hair(looks at Ghost in the Shell).
-DOA4 isn't the "premier" fighting game. It was just the only next-gen fighter for a while.
DOA isn't that bad. My issues with DOA is 1. NO DAMAGE SCALING off of ridiculous combos. 2. NO FRAME DISADVANTAGE. 3. Counters do way too much damage. 4. Hayate and Kasumi are TOO damn easy to use. 5. Hayate's damage output is too high. However, High-level play has some interesting matches. DOA is geared towards people who care more about flash than substance. C'mon. Big Breasts, high speed combat,flashy graphics, too easy to get big damage, Hayate and Kasumi built for scrubs, dumbass end movies that have nothing to do with the story nor promote interest in the next installment. Seriously, watch a combo movie for DoA4, it's some of the most boring shit ever. SF3 has more interesting combo vids. IMO I find VF5 to be better than DOA because it requires dedication to get good. There isn't any "I'm a lazy bitch who never wants to put in an effort, so I pick easy characters" character. You have to utilize everything in the game and in your characters arsenal just to stand a chance.
I learn so much when I play VF. The same cannot be said about DOA....

And as for KOF having "skinny" characters look at Ryu/Ken and Bison. These bitches are BIGGER THAN SUPERMAN and BIGGER THAN GOKU. KOF characters in terms of build look alot more natural and realistic. Yes, even ASH CRIMSON. It makes more sense for a man to be built like Ryo Sakazaki than M.Bison. GTFO.

But really people, Itagaki is like an owner of a whorehouse. He claims he's on top just to promote. It's like the Geico commercials and the All state commercials. Bash your comp to try to make yourself look good.

[Tura Satana]

:arazz:Back the fuck off of Ayane! I think shes hot. What? I got a thing for chicks with purple hair(looks at Ghost in the Shell).
-DOA4 isn't the "premier" fighting game. It was just the only next-gen fighter for a while.
DOA isn't that bad. My issues with DOA is 1. NO DAMAGE SCALING off of ridiculous combos. 2. NO FRAME DISADVANTAGE. 3. Counters do way too much damage. 4. Hayate and Kasumi are TOO damn easy to use. 3. Hayate's damage output is too high. However, High-level play has some interesting matches. DOA is geared towards people who care more about flash than substance. C'mon. Big Breasts, high speed combat,flashy graphics, too easy to get big damage, Hayate and Kasumi built for scrubs, dumbass end movies that have nothing to do with the story nor promote interest in the next installment. Seriously, watch a combo movie for DoA4, it's some of the most boring shit ever. SF3 has more interesting combo vids. IMO I find VF5 to be better than DOA because it requires dedication to get good. There isn't any "I'm a lazy bitch who never wants to put in an effort, so I pick easy characters" character. You have to utilize everything in the game and in your characters arsenal just to stand a chance.
I learn so much when I play VF. The same cannot be said about DOA....


Thanks for posting that, so I didn't have to. ; )

[Jedi W.]

So the guy that's spearheaded the game for years now thinks his game is the shit...

...I really don't see the problem here.

--jedi\/\/.

[Tigerboi]

How did this thread possibly get worse?

[Ki Shima]

fucking comedy!

liu kang from mortal kombat 1 IS bruce lee

Liu Kang > ALL

[kesh!]

why is everyone focusing on DOA hate?

who cares if DOA is a good game or not

I care more that some jackass is saying that DOA is the biggest premiere fighting game, when clearly its not.

[Tigerboi]

ugh.

Mortal Kombat Amegeddon is the premiere fighting game right now.

(waits for someone to start a stupid thread about this statement.)

[INCIDENT]

Oh, please.

V.R. Fighter vs. Taken 2 is the best fighter ever. :rofl:

[Knapstar]

Oh, please.

V.R. Fighter vs. Taken 2 is the best fighter ever. :rofl:

First of all did you mean takan 2 or Tekken 2 and as far as V.R Fighter did you mean Virtua Fighter I am just wondering though since they seem to sound alike based on their spelling.

[The Granby]

He's making a joke dude, sarcasm as well.

[Knapstar]

DOA isn't a great game and has far too many flaws as many of you have noted already but it is fun to play sometimes if I don't feel like working too hard and just want an easy fighter to play overall. I don't play Tekken, SC, or DOA for depth, that is why I play VF because if it superior depth and skill required to get anywhere in it. If I play Tekken, SC, or DOA, I find them fun to play and DOA is one of the best games I have ever played as far as fun is concerned (not gameplay). Tekken and SC both have good depth and require some skill to learn, but these games don't compare to VF overall in these areas however.

Do any of you see DOA as a fun game to play regardless of how shallow the gameplay is, that is the question?

[The Granby]

Hey you know what, where do you live?

For every dude that says they play VF on this forum and posts all these opinions on why VF is good, I wish they would post on virtuafighter.com and look for comp so we could develop a scene here in the USA like tekken.


Instead we get a whole lot of keyboard warriors..... brilliant....

[Murt!]

Hey you know what, where do you live?

For every dude that says they play VF on this forum and posts all these opinions on why VF is good, I wish they would post on virtuafighter.com and look for comp so we could develop a scene here in the USA like tekken.


Instead we get a whole lot of keyboard warriors..... brilliant....

Strictly for the record... I play but I'm not very good. Like, at all.

[Knapstar]

Hey you know what, where do you live?

For every dude that says they play VF on this forum and posts all these opinions on why VF is good, I wish they would post on virtuafighter.com and look for comp so we could develop a scene here in the USA like tekken.


Instead we get a whole lot of keyboard warriors..... brilliant....

I do post on virtuafighter.com for that reason hoping to increase its popularity to compete with Tekken and SC in the US.

[Shadowcuz]

Tekken and SC both have good depth and require some skill to learn, but these games don't compare to VF overall in these areas however.

Tekken requires SOME skill? you know it requires more than that. im not even gonna argue, but get over yourself

[Knapstar]

Tekken requires SOME skill? you know it requires more than that. im not even gonna argue, but get over yourself

I won't argue with you either that is pointless. I will say this and it refers to any game one plays not just Tekken (I am not saying you are wrong either so don't think that). To master a game it will take a considerable amount of talent (playing every character like a professional regardless of what game you play on any level of difficulty). Some games require more talent to get started doing basic moves and techniques needed to play decent matches against decent people. Mastery of Tekken takes a considerable amount of talent and skill as you said (way more than the "Some" I said earlier) but I meant the skill needed getting started not to master it completely. (Mastering Tekken compared to Mastering VF requires about the same amount of skill, these people are likely to rank high in tournaments either way, you make a great point mastering a game like Tekken does require more than "some" skill or talent

[The Granby]

Strictly for the record... I play but I'm not very good. Like, at all.

For the record, I play Marvel and 3S but I'm not very good either, at all. :sad:


And Knapstar, stop posting, find comp in VF.

[Airthrow]

First of all did you mean takan 2 or Tekken 2 and as far as V.R Fighter did you mean Virtua Fighter I am just wondering though since they seem to sound alike based on their spelling.

V.R. Fighter vs Taken 2 was an original HK bootleg Genesis game that was rare, it was a 2D game that combined Tekken and Virtua Fighter characters...and yes they spelled it that way.

[Selric]

Ninja Gaiden is CONSIDERABLY better than the DMC series. However, without DMC. It would have probably not been, what it is now.

not really my place to say anything in this thread, but don't you know Ninja Gaiden started in the 80's?

[angelslayer13]

I bought DOA just to see what all the noise was about, in the end its my girlfriend that plays it alot. even tough I actually tried getting good by practicing all my characters juggles and counters my GF still kicks my ass by button mashing the funny part was when she asked me "how do you block?" (this after defeating me like 7 times).

oh and the granby Im gonna buy vf 5 when it comes out on 360 I hope to see you online

[polarity]

not really my place to say anything in this thread, but don't you know Ninja Gaiden started in the 80's?

the new games are still clearly influenced by DMC

[The Illuminati]

It isn't a big deal but ALOT of video games of stupid female designs. (see, 98% of rpgs)


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Exactly, but that doesn't stop people from complaining now does it? I think people just have too much time on their hands.

[animefanzmg]

i always thought tekken 5 and virtua fighter 4 played like doa1 and he kinda left them in the dust since doa2.
tekken and virtua fighter always seemed Really choppy to me especialy vf. my turn your turn kinda thing. though i havent played too much of either, i bought tekken 5 with the arcade stick

only thing is doa is more 2d in combat as most characters don't have an effective side step.

[Akuma4Real]

i always thought tekken 5 and virtua fighter 4 played like doa1 and he kinda left them in the dust since doa2.
tekken and virtua fighter always seemed Really choppy to me especialy vf. my turn your turn kinda thing. though i havent played too much of either, i bought tekken 5 with the arcade stick

only thing is doa is more 2d in combat as most characters don't have an effective side step.

Hm, I can't agree on this. "My turn, your turn" happens in all of the 3d games you mentioned imo. I play all of them, playing vf the least but that will change. AFAIK, DOA there is no sidestep, it's sidewalk which is not used for the same purposes. DOA has it's own unique stuff, but feels like a mix of tekken and virtual fighter.

[Perfect Legend]

But its trash

[Corner-Trap]

Mix of Tekken and Virtua Fighter? Hell naw, it's more like Tekken is a mix of DOA and Virtua Fighter. It takes the flash of DOA and adds the technicality of Virtua Fighter in one.

[DevilJin 01]

I say just play DOA4 to have a good time with it and not much more. Although... if you can't beat button mashing scrubs I will tell you after playing DOA semi seriously for years that you suck.

People talk crap about 3S's randomness all the time but DOA is arguably even worse in the random department. Especially the newest DOA4 which sounds like the majority of the game is nothing more than scare tactics and mind games. Which is fine by me cuz that's how I like to play any ways. Just too lazy to be overly technical in most of the games I play. If I play a character that I know execution wise is over my head...I just play someone else. Not bothered with overloading myself especially if it's a game that I don't play that seriously to begin with.

[Akuma4Real]

Mix of Tekken and Virtua Fighter? Hell naw, it's more like Tekken is a mix of DOA and Virtua Fighter. It takes the flash of DOA and adds the technicality of Virtua Fighter in one.
I didn't think it'd be necessary, but i'll explain why I said it was like a mix. DOA has crazy juggles like Tekken does. DOA has the option of jumping on your opponent after they have fallen, much like Virtua Fighter. DOA came after both games, so... I'm not sure what you mean about Tekken taking stuff from DOA like flashiness.

[DevilJin 01]

I didn't think it'd be necessary, but i'll explain why I said it was like a mix. DOA has crazy juggles like Tekken does. DOA has the option of jumping on your opponent after they have fallen, much like Virtua Fighter. DOA came after both games, so... I'm not sure what you mean about Tekken taking stuff from DOA like flashiness.

He basically means that every 3d fighting game shares some kind of relationship or similarity with another. It just comes down to the fact that Tekken/DOA/VF all borrow shit from each other and that's the reason DOA feels like this and that and the other. Bottom line...it really doesn't matter.

[orochizoolander]

^^Agreed and for the record SC3 is my favorite 3d fighter it's just a great game in every aspect and hella fun.

[Corner-Trap]

Although fighting games basically borrow from each other. DOA and VF represent two ends of the spectrum, while Tekken nicely blends both styles together. Which game came before which isn't the point.

^^Agreed and for the record SC3 is my favorite 3d fighter it's just a great game in every aspect and hella fun.

This ranks among some of your worst posts.

[Pablo_the_Mex]

^^Agreed and for the record SC3 is my favorite 3d fighter it's just a great game in every aspect and hella fun.

I lol'ed pretty hard at this.

[DevilJin 01]

Well if he likes SC3 then let him have at it. Soul Calibur just needs to get its act together. It's a great series otherwise.

Yeah...the reason Tekken does well is because it does a good job of attracting both the hardcore and casual audience. Hardcores like it because of the skill needed to become serious at it and casuals like it because the game is stylish, has a lot of game modes and there are characters that tend to do flashy things when you mash buttons. IMO VF is definitely catching up with the customization of the characters and the characters don't look as generic as they used to (especially once you outfit them). Yet...VF works better in Japan because it is respected as a culture in Japan. In the US it's just another technical fighting game that is graphically impressive. Yet...it doesn't necessarily ever get too flashy in actual gameplay. No sparks flying, no monsters, laser beams etc. Tekken is flashier and easier to get into so it's more interesting to the US audiences. DOA definitely does a great job capturing the casual audience (which is all it really needs to do) but hardcores obviously have a hard time even playing the game.

[Corner-Trap]

Well if he likes SC3 then let him have at it. Soul Calibur just needs to get its act together. It's a great series otherwise.

Yeah...the reason Tekken does well is because it does a good job of attracting both the hardcore and casual audience. Hardcores like it because of the skill needed to become serious at it and casuals like it because the game is stylish, has a lot of game modes and there are characters that tend to do flashy things when you mash buttons. IMO VF is definitely catching up with the customization of the characters and the characters don't look as generic as they used to (especially once you outfit them). Yet...VF works better in Japan because it is respected as a culture in Japan. In the US it's just another technical fighting game that is graphically impressive. Yet...it doesn't necessarily ever get too flashy in actual gameplay. No sparks flying, no monsters, laser beams etc. Tekken is flashier and easier to get into so it's more interesting to the US audiences. DOA definitely does a great job capturing the casual audience (which is all it really needs to do) but hardcores obviously have a hard time even playing the game.

This is probably why Tekken has the largest 3D fighting game scene. Even though I love VF for what it is, I'm still not a fan of it's characters. Sure the whole customization thing brings some life to the characters, but the interest goes more into the outfits instead of the characters themselves.

[jakob002]

DOA4 gets alot of hate but the truth is to excel at at a high level it takes alot of skill and dedication just like other top notch fighters do. And you can easily beat a masher 1000-0 if you understand the game and play it at a competitive level. And top players (like Perfect Legend, Black Mamba, and Offbeat Ninja) constantly place top 3 in every tournament they attend.


That said most top DOA players agree that DOA 3.1/3.2 is far superior to DOA4. But most people (including myself) don't have access to it since you need a modded/import xbox1 to play it.

^^Agreed and for the record SC3 is my favorite 3d fighter it's just a great game in every aspect and hella fun.

I really hope you're referring to the arcade version.





This ranks among some of your worst posts.

My personal favorites where "Sagat sucks in HF" and "wake up dragon punches are the hardest thing to do in the game" but on topic......

[DevilJin 01]

Well I grew up on the VF characters since I got a Saturn before I got a PS so their cheesy personalities and somewhat stereotypical looks I just got used to. Like...if the characters stopped being cheesy the game probably wouldn't feel right to me at first. It's just what makes VF what it is. Wolf definitely looks a lot more hardcore than he did in older games. Like I wouldn't wanna see him in a dark alley at all. He looks monstrous in VF5. I also like how height proportionate the characters are in VF5. El Blaze is a short Mexican so he is clearly smaller than a majority of the cast. He differs from the norm where only teenagers or old men can be short. The characters that are shorter than 5'5 actually look that short in the game. The newer set of characters (Goh, Brad etc.) seem to be aiming towards a more stylish appearance. Outside of Brad's terribly cheesy personality I think he's a really cool character design. Same with Goh...he just looks really cool.

[Corner-Trap]

snip.

I guess the cheesiness is just part of VF's charm.

[Yamazaki35]

I never really thought much of DOA4 nor cared. But I can remember the moment I decided it was garbage.

I was at a local tourney for TekkenDR, SC3 and DOA4. I was with the Tekken crew and I looked over to watch some of the DOA4 matches.

I don't know dick about the game but the match they were having looked interesting, it was getting close and some serious tense moments. When out of nowhere a cheetah or some shit knocked one guy out.

Garbage.

[DTJB]

itagaki is the fighting game scenes greatest troll, hes my role model

dam i just had to post this..

http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/3708/oatmealcookiealmost1sf8.jpg

:rofl: Awesome!

[Fulaani]

I don't know dick about the game but the match they were having looked interesting, it was getting close and some serious tense moments. When out of nowhere a cheetah or some shit knocked one guy out.

Garbage.LOL! classic DOA

[*Onslaught*]

I never really thought much of DOA4 nor cared. But I can remember the moment I decided it was garbage.

I was at a local tourney for TekkenDR, SC3 and DOA4. I was with the Tekken crew and I looked over to watch some of the DOA4 matches.

I don't know dick about the game but the match they were having looked interesting, it was getting close and some serious tense moments. When out of nowhere a cheetah or some shit knocked one guy out.

Garbage.

The cheetah is pretty easy to see coming. I'm also pretty sure you can turn it off. Before casting a game off spend more than 5 seconds forming an opinion, people might respect you. ^_^

[Capn Spanky]

This ranks among some of your worst posts.


Can someone please give this guy some rep?

Soul Calibur 3 was HORRIBLY broken in so many ways. (Create a Character?)

I agree with DevilJin though. As soon as SC gets its act together (Flashback to SC days... with a little SC2 style.) it will head back to the top of everyone's "Best 3d fighters" list.

Oh, and as of right now, I have low low hopes for SC4. Star Wars characters and women with breasts large enough to be moons? Count me out. We'll see...

DOA4 WAS the premier fighting game for 360. I'll justify by saying as such. Mr. Itagaki made his statement. Half of his statement was correct. "DOA4 is the premier fighting game." Bingo! Why? Because it was the ONLY fighting game available at the premier of the 360.

The second half though, is horribly wrong. There is NO way that DOA4 is still the best fighter out there. Sorry Tomonobu, stop developing Ninja Gaiden 2 (but not for long, I want it.) and go outside. Walk to your local arcade and see what fighters are being played in Japan. DOA4? No. Tekken 5, VF5, and Guilty Gear:AC are getting their dues right now. Not DOA4. It's old, and we've found out how it's broken. (Granted the article is rather old.)

Of course, Tomonobu seems not only overly proud of himself, but he also seems like he's compensating for something. (Oatmeal cookies anyone? :rofl:)

Maybe DOA5 will be made of win.

Now my rant is done. I'm gonna go get some food... If only I could pull myself away from DOA4... wait, yes, yes I can.

[Kang Do]

When it comes to the characters in VF, I look at it more in fighting styles. I admit, the generic looks did turn me off for a bit but when I realized how much emphasis the game put on the character's fighting styles (VF4's website had much larger descriptions for each character's fighting style rather than their storyline), I viewed the game in such a way that rather than choosing a character, you're choosing a fighting style and you just dress them up in the way you want them to look. Plus I've always dreamed of a fighting game where there was no storyline and the character select screen was instead a fighting style select screen and you just dressed up the character in your own way. VF I feel is the closest to that.

As far as the horrible win quotes go, most of the people I know just laugh at them. It's not like Tekken 5 isn't guilty of cheesiness either. Just in a different way.

[*Onslaught*]

It's old, and we've found out how it's broken.

DOA4 is broken? How so?

[NG1313]

What is Ein's fastest move? I have a hard time getting back on the offensive sometimes. Usually I poke back with either a :df: :p: or just a neutral :p:.

What are his high-priority moves?

And which ones give you the most frame advantage?

[Saotome Kaneda]

This is not a DOA4 discussion thread, so you're asking the wrong question.

There are dedicated DOA boards, so you're asking in the wrong place.


Chances are you're not gonna get a good answer so look for one of those DOA boards, and ask there.