King of Fighters XII

[urahara]

Couldn't find a thread about this, KoF XII is confirmed for 360 and PS3 in early 2009 (So far away!)

It's going to be a 3D fighter shaded to look 2D, we'll see it in Japanese arcades first in late 2008.

3D, but look 2D eh? I'm betting it's going to look shit in other words... why did they have to change it?

[tataki]

this is the end for snk!

.... o wait... this is the 2nd end for snk!

[Shinto]

Rumble Fish graphics........and it wasn't bad ether....(sounds like I said this already)

a thread already? dayum we have to wait a year and some.....

[Dangerous J]

umm link? plz

[DietSoap]

umm link? plz Yeah...

[ToyRobotTerror]

Couldn't find a thread about this, KoF XII is confirmed for 360 and PS3 in early 2009 (So far away!)

It's going to be a 3D fighter shaded to look 2D, we'll see it in Japanese arcades first in late 2008.

3D, but look 2D eh? I'm betting it's going to look shit in other words... why did they have to change it?
Source?

[polarity]

http://kotaku.com/gaming/fighter/king-of-fighters-xii-confirmed-for-ps3-and-xbox-360-302738.php

If it's like Battle Fantasia this isn't really a problem.

[ToyRobotTerror]

http://kotaku.com/gaming/fighter/king-of-fighters-xii-confirmed-for-ps3-and-xbox-360-302738.php

If it's like Battle Fantasia this isn't really a problem.
Still kotaku has on more than one occasion talked out of their collective ass

[polarity]

yeah i hope it isnt true just because 2009 is too far away

[tume-x]

It's also possible Kotaku mixed up XII with Regulation A #2, which is/was also announced..

[polarity]

im amazed regulation a was successful enough to justify that

[Bob Poundmax]

I was hoping that they were drawing the sprites from scratch like they were implying when they said "we are dumping resources that we've used for over 10 years". I am really curious to know what their hand drawn sprites look like without a real hardware limitation.

[polarity]

I was hoping that they were drawing the sprites from scratch like they were implying when they said "we are dumping resources that we've used for over 10 years". I am really curious to know what their hand drawn sprites look like without a real hardware limitation.

they havent had a hardware limitation since kof 2003...

[Superking]

they havent had a hardware limitation since kof neowave...

Fixed, they were still on NeoGeo for 2003.

[polarity]

Fixed, they were still on NeoGeo for 2003.

i meant 2003 was the last neogeo game @_@

[Bob Poundmax]

they havent had a hardware limitation since kof 2003...

True, but they were using the same sprites(Which is about as good or bad as using the old hardware). The age of the MVS was showing as early as 2000 IMO. I want to see what their new sprites look like on the X2.

[arstal]

Most likely kotaku typoed and meant late 2008 for Japan. Having it one year away isn't a shock. It took 2 yrs between 03 and XI, 3 years for a brand new system with brand new lots of things isn't a shock.

[Overworld]

I'm thinking the 3D shaded to look 2D could work, it used to be a cool, yet limited style way back when it began with Jet Set radio, but now cel-shaded 3D stuff can look pretty good. This also allows them to make many more characters than they would have if they were hand drawing all the sprites as animating a 3D figure is tons easier than animating by hand.

SNK has eeked it's way back into the fighting game scene pretty well since coming back from bankruptcy, so I can't wait to see what this game is like. Too bad there wasn't any example pictures, but if it's coming out 2009 they may not have much that is showable yet.

[d_mentia]

2.5D, huh? Wouldn't this negate the need for MI?

[Wellman]

I have a hard time believing this, it would no doubt work and probably look alright, but like d_mentia mentions, it sounds like it would be stepping on the toes of the MI series. And while it would work, I find it to be odd that SNKP would try such a radical departure on the main series.

Edit: That and like someone said earlier in the thread, SNKP announced Regulation A2. Which I don't think they will turn 2.5 either but who knows.

[Overworld]

Well it all depends, if we see a MI3, than maybe they step on each others toes, but if this game truly is coming out in 2009, there may not be a current MI game for it to steal thunder from.

[polarity]

if you really cant see how two games using the same franchise and 3d graphics can differentiate themselves from each other then youre pretty unimaginative

KOF in the Battle Fantasia style of presentation would look and play nothing like KOFMI

[Overworld]

I, like most people, would prefer hand drawn sprites, but I was somewhat bummed that doing so would either really increase production time (which in turn makes the production costlier, and I wouldn't want a game that SNK eventually cut corners on), or severely cut down on the characters in the game. (I don't think large cast automatically make a game cool, but in a team based game it certainly can make it more interesting.)

If anything I'd wonder more about what is the gameplay going to be like, is it going to continue the tagging of KoFXI or go back to the 3 on 3 that you see in older KoF and KoFMI.

[PHARAON]

This sounds like a big fake.

[Gaijinblaze]

So much for "it will be the ultimate 2D fighting game" or whatever that SNK rep said. I can't really tell what the article is predicting anyway. They think it will have 3D gameplay with 2D (in some way) graphics? Or the opposite?

[Dandy J]

This sounds like a big fake.
Yeah uh not that I simply cannot imagine SNK making it 2D w/ 3D graphics, this 'news' story hasn't been posted anywhere but Kotaku. If anyone finds another site that mirrors the information (NOT A FKN BLOG), then link it up.

[ToyRobotTerror]

Yeah uh not that I simply cannot imagine SNK making it 2D w/ 3D graphics, this 'news' story hasn't been posted anywhere but Kotaku. If anyone finds another site that mirrors the information (NOT A FKN BLOG), then link it up.


neo-arcadia but they state kotaku as source (http://www.neo-arcadia.com/News/voir_news.php?id_news=1)

seriously i havent found anything about this anywhere besides neo-arcadia and kotaku.

[Ferdinandz]

Wow well...this was rather unexpected.

Could be cool though.

I mean as long as the gameplay is still there and all.

[katraqueyous]

This aint legit.

[ToyRobotTerror]

EDIT: too hasty

[NeoSeifer]

I'll believe that news when someone else besides Kotaku is reporting it.

Investigation reveals the following:

-The Kotaku article was unsourced
-The article is inconsistent in it's date, could be a typo
-It makes mention of a US console release, not only without mention of a JP console release, but seemingly really close to the arcade release. This is incredibly unlike SNK.
-No one else is reporting this news except a handful of states that took the article from Kotaku
-Related to the above, IGN even still claims it to be fully 2D
-It seems like XII wasn't even shown or really talked about at TGS.
-SNK-Playmore USA confirmed a stateside Arcade release of XII... if they knew the consoles it was going to be on, why not confirm those too?

I have a feeling either Kotaku is talking out of their collective asses, as they do on occasion (When did Kotaku become a credible, linkable news site, anyway?), as this kinda spits in the face of both what little details we already had AND would likely eliminate the need more Maximum Impact games

Or, Kotaku's confused and is talking about MIRA2. My money's on that.

[rukawa_kaede]

If true,this is the fucking end of everything

[polarity]

If true,this is the fucking end of everything

no it isnt

[Gorehound]

DO ANY OF YOU GUYS EVEN PLAY KOF!!!

All I hear is positive remarks!

If this news is true (which I'm hoping its not) then KOF will surely be destroyed!!!

[Dark Geese]

Even if it is true guys know that it could be a trial..SNK is good about seeing what works and sticking to it/changing it, (look we all thought KOF was doomed after KOF2003) meaning if it doesnt work THEY can right the ship before the KOF XIV..the next dreammatch..

So not all hope is lost..would you rather them screw up on this or screw up on the next dreammatch??

I say this over the next dreammatch!!!

[Spooty Whiteboy]

DO ANY OF YOU GUYS EVEN PLAY KOF!!!

All I hear is positive remarks!

If this news is true (which I'm hoping its not) then KOF will surely be destroyed!!!

You're saying that if KoFXII looks like The Rumblefish or Battle Fantasia, then the game is ruined. That's retarded. Those games are both 2.5-D fighters, and both look fine.

EDIT: Missed an "I." Meant 12, not 11.

[Rhythm1c]

I am hella looking forward to this and would no doubt buy it just to support somebody willing to do something a bit different.


I am in the camp that would love to see the battle fantasia style in more fighting games.

[Gorehound]

You're saying that if KoFXI looks like The Rumblefish or Battle Fantasia, then the game is ruined. That's retarded. Those games are both 2.5-D fighters, and both look fine.

Yes, by a long shot!!

What makes KOF XI 2.5D, the backgrounds don't count!!

[XTG]

shut up, K4...

[Rhythm1c]

http://www.xbox-gamer.net/actualite-xbox360-The-King-of-Fighters-XII-annonce_13753.html



Here is another link about it. It is from some french site.

Here is what it says translated via google.

Excellent news for the amateurs of plays of combat 2D. SNK Playmore indeed has just confirmed the development of The King of Fighters XII on Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3. According to first information's, the title would resemble one mixes between a play of baston 2D and a play of baston 3D and should be available beginning 2009 on these two supports. The first images should to soon be revealed us…

[Gorehound]

shut up, K4...

Who is K4?

[NegroNinja]

Still no source? Damn internet news.

[Goukisan]

This sounds like a big fake.

I am with this guy. This guy right here.

[Gorehound]

I want to see the apology link on that site pretty soon :tup:

[G.O.T]

I am hella looking forward to this and would no doubt buy it just to support somebody willing to do something a bit different.


I am in the camp that would love to see the battle fantasia style in more fighting games.

Truth.

[sdfjkln]

I am in the camp that would love to see the battle fantasia style in more fighting games.

KOF already has it's own distinctive style that is rooted in 2-D. What's the point of copying another games style?

[ReXXXSoprano]

KOF being destroyed by a style change? No. KOF being destroyed by some fucked up gameplay? Hell Yeah! Even though anybody hasn't seen anything. Shouldn't we be more focused on the latter.

A Quote To Think About:
"Why is everybody hung up on looks? It's just like a girl who isn't super fine. It's the gameplay that counts. And trust me, the gameplay is what always counts!"-Me

[sdfjkln]

KOF being destroyed by a style change? No. KOF being destroyed by some fucked up gameplay? Hell Yeah! Even though anybody hasn't seen anything. Shouldn't we be more focused on the latter.

A Quote To Think About:
"Why is everybody hung up on looks? It's just like a girl who isn't super fine. It's the gameplay that counts. And trust me, the gameplay is what always counts!"-Me

A style change isn't the problem; the game has gone through all kinds of styles with the different artists. The problem is that they said that the game was getting a well-earned facelift; and to me that connotates new high-res sprites and fluid animation; going cel-shaded 2.5D is a complete fucking cop-out.

[Return of Shiki]

What the hell is Battle Fantasia???

[polarity]

A style change isn't the problem; the game has gone through all kinds of styles with the different artists. The problem is that they said that the game was getting a well-earned facelift; and to me that connotates new high-res sprites and fluid animation; going cel-shaded 2.5D is a complete fucking cop-out.

jesus christ who gives a shit

for people who complain about graphics whores all the time you guys sure do flip your shit when your precious sprites are taken away

p.s. just because you jumped to conclusions about what a "well-earned facelift" means doesn't mean it connoted anything.

[Spooty Whiteboy]

What the hell is Battle Fantasia???

A game that uses 3-D...everything (including characters), but set to look and play like a 2-D game.

EDIT: Better quality vid: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HI3lyzdKsFA&mode=related&search=

Double EDIT: A vid of Rumblefish 2 for comparison of another 2.5-D character game.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=iwBGM_xIEgY

[Return of Shiki]

I see...the characters don't look 3-D to me, though. I guess it's because the quality of the video.

I actually think that looks pretty good, and Playmore could actually do quite well with that kind of style for KOF XII without compromising the gameplay or the spirit of the series at all.

I don't get why people would get all pissy about a change like that.
The age of hand-drawn, pixelated 2-d Characters is over...I'm glad we at least have cell-shading for fighting games instead of the soulless looking rendered characters I see too often in other genres now...

[sdfjkln]

jesus christ who gives a shit

for people who complain about graphics whores all the time you guys sure do flip your shit when your precious sprites are taken away

p.s. just because you jumped to conclusions about what a "well-earned facelift" means doesn't mean it connoted anything.

Well, when a series has gone 11 games in 2-D saying the game is getting a "face-lift" doesn't exactly make you think "oh its going 3-D". And it's not like I'm going to refuse to play the game; it just won't look familiar, and it will lose a lot of nostalgia because of it.

[Spooty Whiteboy]

Well, when a series has gone 11 games in 2-D saying the game is getting a "face-lift" doesn't exactly make you think "oh its going 3-D". And it's not like I'm going to refuse to play the game; it just won't look familiar, and it will lose a lot of nostalgia because of it.

SSFT to SSFT:HD look so similar....oh wait...no they don't. Does that mean the game will suck? No, it's the same game mechanics. Does it mean you won't have nostalgia? No, it's the same characters.

It just got a "face-lift." I'm assuming it will be the same for KoFXII

[sdfjkln]

SSFT to SSFT:HD look so similar....oh wait...no they don't. Does that mean the game will suck? No, it's the same game mechanics. Does it mean you won't have nostalgia? No, it's the same characters.

It just got a "face-lift." I'm assuming it will be the same for KoFXII

First of all, the new SF2:HD sprites look like shit. Second, a better comparison would be sf2 and SF:EX series; sure it has Ryu but it isn't the same.

[Spooty Whiteboy]

First of all, the new SF2:HD sprites look like shit. Second, a better comparison would be sf2 and SF:EX series; sure it has Ryu but it isn't the same.

With the exception that that comparison sucks. SF2 to SF:EX are different games with different mechanics. KoF to KoF:MI is the comparison for that.

KoF XI to KoF XII is not going overhaul the mechanics (well not more than they normally do from one KoF to another). It's overhauling the look. Sounds just like Sf2 to Sf2:HD to me.

[Vynce]

I think the issue people really have with the prospect of the next KOF not being truly 2D is that it's another nail in the coffin of our genre. No matter how dire things got, you could always count on a new 2D fighter on the horizon in the name of King of Fighters.

Regardless of how you feel about KOF, it's what a lot of us view as being all we have left. Many people can't really get into Guilty Gear, or all of the girly fighters out there. Sure, you can say they're missing out, but it's really a matter of preference. I'll play KOFXII regardless of what the graphics scheme entails. I'd be lying, though, if I claimed I wouldn't be dissapointed if the next (canon/dream match) installment wasn't sprite-based.

[sdfjkln]

With the exception that that comparison sucks. SF2 to SF:EX are different games with different mechanics. KoF to KoF:MI is the comparison for that.

KoF XI to KoF XII is not going overhaul the mechanics (well not more than they normally do from one KoF to another). It's overhauling the look. Sounds just like Sf2 to Sf2:HD to me.

How do you know it's not overhauling mechanics? Besides sf2 to sf2:hd comparison still sucks because it is staying 2D. My sf2 to sf:ex comparison still stands; they are different games because just going 3D forced gameplay mechanics to change. Also changes in between KOF games can be huge depending on where they are KOF2k2 --> 2k3 and 96 --> 97 are good examples.

p.s. I feel exactly the same way as you Vynce.

[Goukisan]

Look at all this damn crazy we have on the table. Not a single screen shot, not a single seriously verified article, just a poster, with art. You folk are acting like kittens are being maimed and puppies are being crushed. Maimed and crushed under the foot of changes in the look of a good fighting game.

[The_Trigger]

You know, I used to think that if a fighter (KOF, whatever) wasn't 2d, it had to suck. Then I played KOF 2006 and was pleasantly surprised. Some people hate it, but now, I honestly couldn't care less if future installments are 2D or 3D as long as things are solid. Like many have been saying, the era of the 2D fighter is almost over. Just be happy that companies are even putting out fighters anymore. As long as they play well, we really have nothing to complain about.

[CyberAkuma]

It's also possible Kotaku mixed up XII with Regulation A #2, which is/was also announced..

Quoted again for emphasis.

Kotaku has been WRONG before, or it may be that their informant was off-base.

But, as I've said on other forums, I just find it hard to believe this supposed bit of news for 3 main reasons.

1) A year ago, SNK talked about a bunch of smack of being the "last great 2D dev". If this news about KOFXII is to be believed, then really, what's to support all that stuff they were talking about so fervently? MOTW2? Because as much as I'm liking Samurai Spirits SEN, that's going to be a full 3D game too.

2) Really...360/PS3...? ...For what is arguably the most important iteration in their most important franchise? Are we REALLY expected to believe that they'll put such a thing like that on the two consoles that AREN'T doing but so well in Japan? Pardon me if I'm not really believing this...MI3 was believable, because that was the version of the series that did more to cater to what Sony and Microsoft could want, but not KOFXII.

3) Finally...there is no credible source yet that states this. The last we've heard from SNK was talking about their upcoming plans for the PS2, Wii, DS, PSP and their two arcade titles. Nothing about anything regarding the PS3 and 360 in the least.

So...I smell at LEAST a "lost in the translation" rat. Probably a "talking out of ass" rat too, but we'll wait and see about that.

[bill_rizer]

Didnt SNK hire some more 2d artists through out the year?

CyberAkuma is right, no offical news makes this bull.

[NeoSeifer]

Last I heard, they were looking to hire new pixel artists, yes.

[Hayama Akito]

If the news are not from Japan, i dont believe a shit.

The only thing that i can say is that Ashcraft from Kotaku can be wrong, but he is not THAT ignorant to think that KOF XII is MI Reg A 2... i guess.

[X20ASTRIKEFREEDOM]

I think it is going to be a new KOF not MIA II or KOF XII they said the arcade port will be in late 2009 so it could not be XII.

[polarity]

I think it is going to be a new KOF not MIA II or KOF XII they said the arcade port will be in late 2009 so it could not be XII.

are you retarded

edit: yes of course

[Saotome Kaneda]

lets try this again when there's some actual information