OK, let's be honest now. How many DL?

[Cisco]

Yeah, how many of you actually download your music? I guess everyone here DLs porn, so i don't need to ask for that.... But seriously, do you guys support piracy or are you against it (you buy the real shit).


I DL. i'll admit. I sometimes buy Real albums but I DL my music and other stuff mostly....

[eks]

i tried to hook up my work homie with a burn to show him ONE song, he went out and bought the album over lunch instead

dude has iron morals

[sainthuey]

Only time i will ever buy music is if it's a new artist that has really good shit, otherwise it's pointless to pay for it, the artist barely get shit for CD sales, they make the real money at concerts/touring~

[Spirit Juice]

I haven't bought a CD or paid for music in years. God bless the Internet.

[ArcadeFire]

Porn, music, movies...you name it.

[jae hoon]

If CDS didnt suck balls I would buy them more.

[MrBlank]

Eventually there will be a day where all cars will be built with MP3 players into the Dashboard... they are already putting ipod jacks into em....

[ginger]

i only buy if it's straight out of the band's merch case at a show.

cash only. and when i say show i mean a cleveland gig that no one showed up for anyways.

[Cisco]

Porn, music, movies...you name it.

No more PPV... haha

[orochizoolander]

azureus FTW.

[w1r3d]

i've been the only 'no' so far haha

i totally used to download music/apps, etc. i don't listen to music that much anymore so it doesn't hurt to get the cd's. most of the stuff i listen to is kinda old anyways so i'll just get the cd's used for like $3-$10 at amazon

[fatherbrain]

I HAVE to dl mine. Wal-Mart forced the only other music store in town to close. They only sell censored shit. Also, a lot of the shit I listen to just isn't sold here in the us anyway.

[Ninja Wallace]

I download everything. Comics, shows, movies, porn, games.

[Taito]

Eventually there will be a day where all cars will be built with MP3 players into the Dashboard... they are already putting ipod jacks into em....
I'm waiting for wifi broadcasted everywhere, like radio signals are.. I can access my PC stash of music and video from over the net, and play it wirelessly in my car. Maybe by the end of next decade that'll be commonplace.

[Taichi]

Music: Yes.
Movies, comics, etc: No.

I ain't tryin' to justify shit.

all I know is: I turn on my radio, I hear music for free, so I ain't gonna pay for THAT music, I don't give a fuck.

independent artists, and artists that don't get radio play?, I pay for it.

[MagnetiX]

rofl, for some reason, I just got done watching porno just now and the first thing that came to my mind when I saw "DL" was "Dick Lick"...I read it like "Ok, let's be honest now...how many dick lick?" I was like "wtf...did SRK just turn into a gay forum?"

...anyways.

For me, yes, I dl anything. Music, porno, movies, games, whatever, as long as i'm interested in it, I'll get it.

[KrsJin]

I buy about 95% of all of my music. The other 5 % comes from random albums my friends hook me up with, some of which I end up buying lol.

Technically though, I do "DL" much of it now, thanks to iTunes lol. It's just so much more convenient to get from there than in store sometimes, but I really prefer the official CD and album cover compared to iTunes.

[Sazae]

I have only bought 2 CD's that were not blank in the last few years and that was only because this one band was nowhere to be found on any download sites.

[Slide]

I download singles from artists I know I just like one song by, or don't want the full album. I buy CDs of artists and groups I like.

My reasoning for buying CDs is cause I can convert the songs into a high bitrate. Unless I can download them at 256/320 then there's no need to buy at all.

128 doesn't sound that good, seriously. And to give one example as to what I'm talking about, when you go to another track and have to constantly adjust volume and then the next song of better quality blasts you in the ears, or is too low, DJ Clue STFU, etc.

[Wild Kitty]

Yar, I be plunderin my entertainment!

[Festival6667]

I will buy in the following cases
- I support the artist
- I need a legal copy (e.g. music used for non-private parties, dance courses, etc. *)
- I am buying it as a present for someone (won't pay above $10 for a cd, even for a present though)

I d/l mainly to know if something is worth my interest. So I dl quite a lot and delete about as much after listening to it once or twice.


* The French SACEM is incredibly talented when it comes to knocking at your door to check you're not trying to screw them, even if it's only a small party promoted by word of mouth in a remote place. And I'm not even kidding...

[MrQuotes]

i only buy the music of groups that i want to support

theres not very many of them...

[Murt!]

I can't help but wonder how many people are actually caught/penalized for downloading.

[Geese Pants]

Music........burn.
TV Shows.....burn, but if I really like the show, I'll buy the DVD seasons.
Movies.......buy.
Games........buy when it's on sale.
Appz.........burn if I REALLY need it, and I'm strapped for cash.
Comics.......buy.
Porn.........burn, but buy a mag here and there.
Magazines.....I subscribe, but d/l some. Same with Books.

[Satomiblood]

I download music every once in a while. But I get some of my music through burnt copies of CDs my friends have. I mostly buy though. Paying $12-20 for a CD doesn't really bother me.

[ST Vega]

I buy a lot of my shit. I'm weird about having the booklets and shit. I also get a lot of shit from my friends. Typical conversation looks like:

x: Have you heard Ayumi's new single?
Me: No, I don't want to ...
x is trying to send you ayumi - some gay new song.mp3

[Skyler]

i dont feel like paying $20 for an album that has only 1 song that i like. Plus if i dont go out and buy the album to begin with, downloading it wont make any difference at all.

[Nairdas]

Music: Yup, except for artist I want to support like Bone, Kanye, and Lil Wayne.
Movies: Depends on the movie. If I seen it in theaters and liked it I'll buy it.
Porn: Hell yeah. Thats one thing that I think I will never pay for.
Games: No. I like to buy my games. Kind of a collector.
Comics: DL. I haven't payed for a comic in like 10 years. maybe more.

[Alex]

i downlad everything and dont try to justify shit

[Night]

Must of the music I download is the game music stuff heh. That's about all I download.

Games and stuff, I actually buy everything.

[DS]

Cisco's account is hotwired to the RIAA serves. GGPO, motherfuckers.

Anyway, I buy stuff cause I'm a baller.

[TheSix]

I love how this thread pops up every two weeks now.

Torrent til deth.

[Pablo_the_Mex]

I think I have only bought 4 CDs since 1996.

[specs]

I believe in supporting those whose works I enjoy or who provide services that I can use for free.

It's why I pay for SRK Premium, donate to Shareware/Freeware creators, and buy games/music CDs/movies/etc.

EDIT - I will occasionally DL things that I can't obtain very easily, like video game songs and the like.

[nameingway]

who would lie about something so... dumb?

lieing about this would probably be along the same line as lieing about what type of internet service you have. does it matter if you download music or not? no. does it matter what type of internet service you have? no.

[Ducky]

If an artist just drops a good single, I'm downloading it... if it's a good album, I'll buy it. I also buy a lot of music that I can't find on the internet for download.

[kingfismit]

i download occasional theme/game songs, but i usually buy CDs, if not i just listen to music on Imeem,youtube,and myspace

[Luigi-Bo 87]

I do a little of both.

[PaRt2]

Sometimes, it's harder to find the music I like on the net than it is at a small record shop.

I do both but definitely don't mind buying quality music.

[fjf314]

I never download anything. I'm living on a college campus and every semester there are quite a few people who get caught. Our network must get watched like crazy, so it's just not worth the risk. I normally just make due with Pandora, and if there's something I really like I'll buy it. Trying to download just isn't worth the chance of getting caught, though.

[epsilon_]

Yes, but if something is good enough I'll buy it. With a lot of the underground music I listen to I never even would've heard of the artist without the internet, so I don't think piracy is ALL bad. It does provide good exposure for underground artists.

[EvilSamurai]

Music: Usually Buy

Pr0n: DL

Games: old stuff gets DLed unless I can get it for modern systems, New Stuff I try to buy unless it is price jacked (MvC2 on PS2, SMT: Nocturne)

TV Shows: Watch on TV or online. If the show is fucking amazing, I will buy it on DVD

Movies: almost always buy/watch it theatres unless it is super rare stuff like Salo or Hearts of Darkness (I have an watchable legit VHS copy but I downloaded a version made from a masterprint)

Appz: sometimes buy, sometimes DL

Book: Always buy

Magazines: DL if not currently on newstands, otherwise buy

[ChunLi]

I download live sets from djs.

I'll occasionally download single songs, but the only albums I buy are my favorite deejays because I wanna support them.

[Tone!]

buy things I really like, download everything else.

[orochizoolander]

LOL IT'S A TRAP!!!!!!!!!!!1111




the RIAA are gonna break yall doors and bust in sayin "we have conclusive proof that u admtted to priacy on srk!!!! yo ass gon be tornup in prison!!!*:rofl:

[otter]

i can honestly say ive never DL'd shit without paying for it. but i do get shit from itunes when i only want one or two songs. i listen to alot of underground people and some of whom need the money more than i do. i couldnt really say i respect someone or enjoy something they make and then turn around and steal from them.

[VruS]

you're not a mighty pirate if you don't dl. ninjas are that way ->

[Arcas V]

Only time i will ever buy music is if it's a new artist that has really good shit, otherwise it's pointless to pay for it, the artist barely get shit for CD sales, they make the real money at concerts/touring~

That's no justification because cd sales raise the price of tickets (and probably gets you better booking). If you sell a lot of cds, you'll make a lot more off of concerts. Even if an artist has a lot of fans, if they don't sell cds they'll be stuck opening for other crappy bands.

I DL (although I recently removed all my torrent programs), but I buy also. Usually I'll just DL first to see if it's good, and if I have money I'll go out and buy it.... But it's still hard to buy every album I like.

[{PFH}-Lake]

Limewire

[OmNiExiZt]

I buy CD's ever blue moon. But it's mostly contemporary jazz though. You can never go wrong with that. I even pick up artist who I have no idea who they are or if they are good or not. No matter what I get, I can always listen to it all the way though and they're usually not more than $10. BONEY JAMES FTW!!!

I'm also a strong supporter of CANIBUS so I buy his albums when the come out. Though most people seem to hate him...:sweat:

*ONEZ*

[Ne0phyte]

I'd download groceries if I could.

[NykkoMT]

I'd download groceries if I could.

:rofl:

Ahhh, I use Limewire.

[CoMpOuNd]

LAst cd I bought was 2 years ago. It was K-os, I think I left it at my friends house the next week. I DL all my music, and put it on my PSP, no time for cd's SON...

word.

[b00mshakalaka]

Download. I wish you could download girlfriends

[Yos]

Fuck yea I DL. I'm Asian, everything I do is illegal.

[FurryCurry]

Yeah I download. But if it's good enough it'll get a CD purchase eventually or if I can't find it I'll buy it.

I'd download groceries if I could.

Well we won't be doing that any time soon but in a few years you can buy a 3D printer (For probably $5000) and download blue prints from the net to create shit out of plastic. Be neat if we could make our own action figures and parts.

[Arcas V]

who would lie about something so... dumb?

lieing about this would probably be along the same line as lieing about what type of internet service you have. does it matter if you download music or not? no. does it matter what type of internet service you have? no.

Are you talking about legal downloads? :wonder:

[SuicidalGrandpa]

Comcast killed mah internets when using torrents. Fail :sweat:

[P. Gorath]

downloading is stealing. havent done it since college

[goodm0urning]

I buy CDs. Though I can't think of many CDs I've bought in the last ten years that I haven't downloaded a few songs for first.

Here's the thing: there is no "try before you buy" feature for CDs, unless you count putting on a pair of nasty headphones in the store and listening to a ten second clip of the song IF it's in the database. Once you open a CD, you're stuck with it. You can't return it if it doesn't meet your satisfaction.

Until this situation has improved, I'll download before I buy. It's a win-win situation: I get quality music. The RIAA still gets their money, so long as the product is good. If I don't like it, then the only money the RIAA is losing is what they would have gained by foisting a shoddy product on unsuspecting customers.

EDIT:

Actually, that last part isn't even true. They don't lose anything, because they would have never gotten it in the first place.

I find most of the new music I like by downloading first. Ergo, no download = no new music, and no new music = I don't buy anything.

[b00mshakalaka]

it be a diffrent thing if I actually had money.

[The Fireboy]

I DL almost everything. CDs are so fucking overpriced nowadays anyway.

[Dynamowolf]

I DL almost everything. CDs are so fucking overpriced nowadays anyway.

That, and if you've got enough to get a professionally produced and marketed album, you're making enough bread.

[Arcas V]

That, and if you've got enough to get a professionally produced and marketed album, you're making enough bread.

Not true :). A lot of artist go into debt and become slaves to the label that provides the money to professionally produce and market the album. A lot of new artists create the false image that they are rich because apparently, rich artists make better music :wonder:.

[caleb1883]

I buy CDs. Though I can't think of many CDs I've bought in the last ten years that I haven't downloaded a few songs for first.

Here's the thing: there is no "try before you buy" feature for CDs, unless you count putting on a pair of nasty headphones in the store and listening to a ten second clip of the song IF it's in the database. Once you open a CD, you're stuck with it. You can't return it if it doesn't meet your satisfaction.

Until this situation has improved, I'll download before I buy. It's a win-win situation: I get quality music. The RIAA still gets their money, so long as the product is good. If I don't like it, then the only money the RIAA is losing is what they would have gained by foisting a shoddy product on unsuspecting customers.

EDIT:

Actually, that last part isn't even true. They don't lose anything, because they would have never gotten it in the first place.

I find most of the new music I like by downloading first. Ergo, no download = no new music, and no new music = I don't buy anything.

You can sample music legally from many sources on the internet besides illeagally downloading them. That is no excuse.

You can't convience the consumer at the expense of the rights of the intellectual property owners. And it would be morally wrong to change the law so that intellectual property owners have less or no rights. Illeagal downloading is one blatent example of the selfishness that has overcome our culture. Every excuse for it I have read revolves around the fact that one person is inconvienced by cost or something else. If you don't have the money to buy it, then do without it. It is not a neccesity. If you can't afford a video game you can't just go in a store and grab a copy of it and walk out. If I can't afford a couch because I'm broke, I can't go in your house and take yours. Nor would you want me to or let me get away with it.

And the other common excuse I hear for it is that these artists you are stealing from have so much money that they aren't going to miss losing on the sales of one CD or download. First off, if everyone adopts that way of thinking then eventually no one will pay for anything. Second, if I see that one of you guys has 30 arcade machines in your house, all identical, with the exact same game in it, I can't just go take one because I think that you'll still have plenty left even if I just steal one. The point is they aren't mine to take, and it's not up to me to decide whether or not you have enough.

There is no good reason for illeagal downloading. Ever.

[Rhio2k]

I haven't bought a CD or paid for music in years. God bless the Internet.

Damn straight. Although I do make it a point to buy every Enya release. (although I already had every cd before I had internet access, except for A Day Without Rain). Cuz Enya's the shit.

There's no point in paying for mainstream shit cuz the artists get raped and see about 1% of the money you personally spent on their shit.

[goodm0urning]

You can sample music legally from many sources on the internet besides illeagally downloading them. That is no excuse. Of course it isn't an excuse. An excuse would imply that I'm doing something wrong.

Here's the deal: because of what I download, and my personal buying habits, it makes no difference whether I use Limewire, or a different method that has the RIAA stamp of approval. In the end, it's the exact same outcome--they make the same exact amount of money and I get the same exact amount of music. The only difference is that I'm picking an option that I personally find more convenient to try before I buy.

Save the moral outrage for the guy who downloads fuckloads of music and never pays a cent for any of it. Claiming it's all the same just shows that you don't have any more sense than the RIAA itself.

[Arcas V]

You can sample music legally from many sources on the internet besides illeagally downloading them. That is no excuse.

You can't convience the consumer at the expense of the rights of the intellectual property owners. And it would be morally wrong to change the law so that intellectual property owners have less or no rights. Illeagal downloading is one blatent example of the selfishness that has overcome our culture. Every excuse for it I have read revolves around the fact that one person is inconvienced by cost or something else. If you don't have the money to buy it, then do without it. It is not a neccesity. If you can't afford a video game you can't just go in a store and grab a copy of it and walk out. If I can't afford a couch because I'm broke, I can't go in your house and take yours. Nor would you want me to or let me get away with it.

And the other common excuse I hear for it is that these artists you are stealing from have so much money that they aren't going to miss losing on the sales of one CD or download. First off, if everyone adopts that way of thinking then eventually no one will pay for anything. Second, if I see that one of you guys has 30 arcade machines in your house, all identical, with the exact same game in it, I can't just go take one because I think that you'll still have plenty left even if I just steal one. The point is they aren't mine to take, and it's not up to me to decide whether or not you have enough.

There is no good reason for illeagal downloading. Ever.

I agree with some of your points... (see previous posts), but you're still exaggerating a bit here. Sharing may be wrong to some people, but it's not the same as stealing. I know music artists who don't mind illegal downloading, and do it themselves. It could just be seen as a way of marketing that doesn't cost money... which is perfect for some indie/underground artist.
To say any illegal download is just flat out wrong isn't true. What would be the difference if someone borrowed a physical cd, and went out and bought his self a copy after they liked it? I think the only harm here is when someone downloads and keeps an album that they like.

Besides, there's no evidence that illegal downloading has hurt music sales. The real "selfish" people are the label owners complaining about piracy.

[caleb1883]

Of course it isn't an excuse. An excuse would imply that I'm doing something wrong..

You are doing something wrong.


In the end, it's the exact same outcome--they make the same exact amount of money and I get the same exact amount of music. The only difference is that I'm picking an option that I personally find more convenient to try before I buy..

Like I said, putting your own convienience before the rights of those who actually created and own it. And they don't get the same amount of money. If you download and don't buy, they lost at least 99 cents (depending on whether or not you buy CDs or download) on every CD or song you decided not to purchase after listening to.

Save the moral outrage for the guy who downloads fuckloads of music and never pays a cent for any of it. Claiming it's all the same just shows that you don't have any more sense than the RIAA itself.

And yes it is all the same. Whether or not you steal one song, or a million your stealing. And once again, if 1 million people decide to steal only one song, then there went a million dollars that should have gone to artists, songwriters, studio engineers, publishers, record labels, managers, and a whole bunch of other people who depend on that revenue to facilitate the creation and distribution of music.

It is not up to you to decide whether or not you get a free sample of what you are about to buy. The people that own it decide whether or not you get to try it before you buy it. If they want to make you pay for it before you listen to it, then it is their right.

You wouldn't like it if someone came over and took a microwave you were selling, without asking, and used it before they bought it. Because it is your right to decide whether or not they get to try it out, and how they get to try it out, before they buy it. Because you own it. It's really simple.

[Arcas V]

Of course it isn't an excuse. An excuse would imply that I'm doing something wrong.

Here's the deal: because of what I download, and my personal buying habits, it makes no difference whether I use Limewire, or a different method that has the RIAA stamp of approval. In the end, it's the exact same outcome--they make the same exact amount of money and I get the same exact amount of music. The only difference is that I'm picking an option that I personally find more convenient to try before I buy.

Save the moral outrage for the guy who downloads fuckloads of music and never pays a cent for any of it. Claiming it's all the same just shows that you don't have any more sense than the RIAA itself.

And if you're like me, you're probably going to buy even more with the opportunity to download. There's so much stuff I would have never just walked into the store and randomly picked up. I don't trust reviews, and singles are often misleading. So I guess increasing sales could be morally wrong :sweat:.

[KrsJin]

Save the moral outrage for the guy who downloads fuckloads of music and never pays a cent for any of it. Claiming it's all the same just shows that you don't have any more sense than the RIAA itself.


That guy may be worse, but you're telling yourself lies if you don't see it as one in the same.

[caleb1883]

I know music artists who don't mind illegal downloading, and do it themselves. It could just be seen as a way of marketing that doesn't cost money... which is perfect for some indie/underground artist.
To say any illegal download is just flat out wrong isn't true. What would be the difference if someone borrowed a physical cd, and went out and bought his self a copy after they liked it? I think the only harm here is when someone downloads and keeps an album that they like.

Besides, there's no evidence that illegal downloading has hurt music sales. The real "selfish" people are the label owners complaining about piracy.

If the people who own the rights to the music want to use free downloading/sharing as a marketing tool, then it isn't illeagal anymore. Because they exercised their right as the IP holder to allow people to have it for free. If an artist/songwriter, etc. chooses to offer their music for free, which they have been doing more frequently as of late, then it is fine. Once again their right, their choice, not ours.

[Arcas V]

You are doing something wrong.




Like I said, putting your own convienience before the rights of those who actually created and own it. And they don't get the same amount of money. If you download and don't buy, they lost at least 99 cents (depending on whether or not you buy CDs or download) on every CD or song you decided not to purchase after listening to.



And yes it is all the same. Whether or not you steal one song, or a million your stealing. And once again, if 1 million people decide to steal only one song, then there went a million dollars that should have gone to artists, songwriters, studio engineers, publishers, record labels, managers, and a whole bunch of other people who depend on that revenue to facilitate the creation and distribution of music.

It is not up to you to decide whether or not you get a free sample of what you are about to buy. The people that own it decide whether or not you get to try it before you buy it. If they want to make you pay for it before you listen to it, then it is their right.

You wouldn't like it if someone came over and took a microwave you were selling, without asking, and used it before they bought it. Because it is your right to decide whether or not they get to try it out, and how they get to try it out, before they buy it. Because you own it. It's really simple.

You are missing the point so much. You can't compare "borrowing" something physical. If someone did take that microwave and decided they didn't want to buy it- well what if someone else came looking for a microwave during that time frame? You just lost a potential costumer. And if that wasn't the case (surplus microwaves) then the only logical reason to not allow it would be trust.

And really, that's all this is about- Trust. If artists trust people to buy their album, then there would be no law.

Some people will pay the same amount for music, if they download it or if they don't. If they're getting the same amount of money, then I must still be stealing even when I don't download the album.

edit-
If the people who own the rights to the music want to use free downloading/sharing as a marketing tool, then it isn't illeagal anymore. Because they exercised their right as the IP holder to allow people to have it for free. If an artist/songwriter, etc. chooses to offer their music for free, which they have been doing more frequently as of late, then it is fine. Once again their right, their choice, not ours.

It cost money to host your own music.... which takes away the point of what I just said.

I think you guys are confusing morals with laws. Just because it's the law doesn't make it morally correct. Like I said before, there's a lot of artists that I would have literally never bought an album from with out downloading... and in the end result, I bought more albums. I think those artist should be glad I "stole" their albums.

[Satomiblood]

If the people who own the rights to the music want to use free downloading/sharing as a marketing tool, then it isn't illeagal anymore. Because they exercised their right as the IP holder to allow people to have it for free. If an artist/songwriter, etc. chooses to offer their music for free, which they have been doing more frequently as of late, then it is fine. Once again their right, their choice, not ours.

Are we going to hell for this?

[goodm0urning]

You are doing something wrong.In the same sense that you're doing something wrong when you go 1 MPH over the speed limit, smoke pot on the weekend, or bugger your boyfriend, yeah. I'm doing something wrong.




Like I said, putting your own convienience before the rights of those who actually created and own it. And they don't get the same amount of money. If you download and don't buy, they lost at least 99 cents (depending on whether or not you buy CDs or download) on every CD or song you decided not to purchase after listening to. They lose nothing. If all I'm doing is trying before I'm buying, then it is nothing ventured, nothing gained.

And 99 cents per downloaded song is outrageously overpriced. Anybody who pays that much is an idiot.



And yes it is all the same. Whether or not you steal one song, or a million your stealing. And once again, if 1 million people decide to steal only one song, then there went a million dollars that should have gone to artists, songwriters, studio engineers, publishers, record labels, managers, and a whole bunch of other people who depend on that revenue to facilitate the creation and distribution of music. Your logic is so completely fucked.

A. It is not all the same. Punching a guy in the arm versus beating him into a coma is not the same. Going 2 MPH over the speed limit versus going 25 MPH over the speed limit is not the same. Downloading a few songs to try before you buy, versus downloading an artist's entire back catalogue with the intent to keep it and not pay a cent is not the same. Your line of reasoning works nowhere except in the fantasies of moral absolutists.

B. If 1 million people download one song with the intent to buy the album if it's good, then whether or not the album gets bought is entirely down to how they, as the consumer, evaluate the quality of the product. If the product is satisfactory, then that is a lot of money made by the company, entirely due to the download. If the product is unsatisfactory, then the company is only losing money that it never had a chance of getting in the first place.

It is not up to you to decide whether or not you get a free sample of what you are about to buy. The people that own it decide whether or not you get to try it before you buy it. If they want to make you pay for it before you listen to it, then it is their right. Not anymore, it isn't. Examine your economic history. The producer rarely has the opportunity to twist the balls of the consumer before the consumer finds a way around it. One of the few exceptions to the rule is gasoline, which is an intermediate good, so there currently isn't a solution to the problem.

You wouldn't like it if someone came over and took a microwave you were selling, without asking, and used it before they bought it. Because it is your right to decide whether or not they get to try it out, and how they get to try it out, before they buy it. Because you own it. It's really simple.If I'm selling a microwave, you'd best bet that it's in my best interest to give the consumer all the information they require in order to make the decision to purchase it. If that requires the demonstration of a production model, then so be it. If they were to actually walk into the store and steal a microwave, that would only equate to me walking into the store and shoplifting a CD--the unit itself, not a demonstration of its content or its capabilities.

Much of what you believe works only on the assumption that every song downloaded is money lost by the industry, and that is so far from the truth. The RIAA, of course, doesn't have much to gain by acknowledging this.

[Duck Strong]

I had hoped you were dead, but I guess the master of the inane is indestructible.

[starkilled]

I dl whole albums, I'm thankful for the net.

[DropOff]

I've been torrenting huge file packs lately, whole discographies, entire seasons of the simpsons and shit like that.

I probably have a good couple thousand dollars worth of music and movies.

[Dragon Punch]

I download a shit load of music (over 200 gigs at this point) but to be fair I go to about 4-5 shows per month on average. I listen to a lot of underground hip hop and Indie, and I probably wouldn't be going to half the shows i go to if i didn't have the internet to hear new artists. I just can't rationalize spending 15 bucks on a cd when i can see the guy live for 10-40 dollars.

[goodm0urning]

I had hoped you were dead, but I guess the master of the inane is indestructible.I'm sorry, have we met?

[ckrazy]

who doesn't download music? If it free take it!

[Master Bigode]

I downloaded the Internet.

[TheIlluminati]

My philosophy-

I buy indie stuff if I'm at a show. If I already dled the music, maybe a tshirt or somethign.

But I can use my $10 dollars or so more than Kanye can.

[caleb1883]

You are missing the point so much. You can't compare "borrowing" something physical.

Actually I think that is the point everyone misses. Just because you can't physically touch it doesn't mean you can't own it. Intellectual Property doesn't only include music either. IP falls into four main categories, Copyright (books,music, art, etc.), Patents, Trademarks, and Trade Secrets. All of these are intangible which is why they are considered intellectual property. They are ideas that people have, and are stored on a tangible medium (CDs, Books, Blueprints, Logos, etc.)

And if you want to know where this comes from, I work in music publishing, and have a degree in music business. Not music. Music business. I have had multiple classes covering copyright and intellectual property law. My job is nothing but intellectual property. My paycheck depends on the amount of royalties generated by our catalogs. I know the law, I know the rights the law gives to IP holders, and I know exactly where and how the revenue trickles down.

The RIAA aren't the only ones fighting illegal downloading. The NMPA are fighting even harder. The artists half the time aren't even the ones who own the songs.
Check the album credits, and see who actually writes the songs, and who owns them. There are many, many more people who have a stake in those missing royalties besides who you see on TV.

It would be one thing if people understood how copyrights work, and knew the difference between mechanical and performance royalties, a sync and blanket license, what ASCAP, BMI, and SESAC do, the difference between copyrighting a song and a sound recording, or if you could even tell me the basics of how a songwriter makes money. But you don't even understand what your arguing about. If you have questions, and and genuinely want an answer, I would be happy to give you one. Because if anyone understood this stuff, then they would understand why you don't DL illegally.

[Arcas V]

Actually I think that is the point everyone misses. Just because you can't physically touch it doesn't mean you can't own it. Intellectual Property doesn't only include music either. IP falls into four main categories, Copyright (books,music, art, etc.), Patents, Trademarks, and Trade Secrets. All of these are intangible which is why they are considered intellectual property. They are ideas that people have, and are stored on a tangible medium (CDs, Books, Blueprints, Logos, etc.)

And if you want to know where this comes from, I work in music publishing, and have a degree in music business. Not music. Music business. I have had multiple classes covering copyright and intellectual property law. My job is nothing but intellectual property. My paycheck depends on the amount of royalties generated by our catalogs. I know the law, I know the rights the law gives to IP holders, and I know exactly where and how the revenue trickles down.

The RIAA aren't the only ones fighting illegal downloading. The NMPA are fighting even harder. The artists half the time aren't even the ones who own the songs.
Check the album credits, and see who actually writes the songs, and who owns them. There are many, many more people who have a stake in those missing royalties besides who you see on TV.

It would be one thing if people understood how copyrights work, and knew the difference between mechanical and performance royalties, a sync and blanket license, what ASCAP, BMI, and SESAC do, the difference between copyrighting a song and a sound recording, or if you could even tell me the basics of how a songwriter makes money. But you don't even understand what your arguing about. If you have questions, and and genuinely want an answer, I would be happy to give you one. Because if anyone understood this stuff, then they would understand why you don't DL illegally.
But no one is questioning the fact that it's legal. The point is that, just because it's illegal doesn't make it immoral or "wrong". And if there's more for them to gain by me sharing music (I buy more when I listen to more), then there's nothing immoral about that.... which is what I'm worried about.
And yes, I know somewhat about the business and I could probably find out more because my sister-in-law is also in the same field, and my brother is an artist who co-owns an indie label, so I'm not just trying to talk about something I don't know anything about. And I do check to see who owns songs/writes them... and for me it's not "half the time." The music I listen to isn't commercial pop with 20 people putting more into the music than the one being commercialized. Most of the time they're not even on TV.... hence, the reason I share.

You make a lot of assumptions. I've already had this conversation with actual artists/producers and it wasn't an argument. They were telling me the same things I'm telling you. I'm done.

[running_gag]

Every Time I Walk By Hmv Or Some Music Store I Laugh And Feel Good About Myself

[Ne0phyte]

Caleb:
It's not up to you to tell people what they're doing is wrong. Stop fucking judging people; that's not what the thread is about. When we all get caught and arrersted, we'll let the judges do the judging. No one wants to hear your condescending bullshit.

Saving money is a damn good reason for illegal downloading. That's important to a lot of people whether or not it's at your moral discretion. To most people, illegal downloading is mala prohibita. Like a lot of traffic laws.

[Cisco]

I'd download groceries if I could.

i bet in a few years you can

[Rhio2k]

I downloaded the Internet.

ZOMG! Src plz!!

[_MJ_#R]

DL away...

[Geese Pants]

I downloaded the Internet.


I'm currently downloading the internet (http://img215.imageshack.us/my.php?image=downloadwwwed9.gif)............

[Duck Strong]

I'm sorry, have we met?

Not you, the thread starter. Sorry for the confusion.

[goodm0urning]

Not you, the thread starter. Sorry for the confusion.Damn. You bet I was confused. The search function in my brain was down for maintenance.

[ckrazy]

I downloaded the Internet.

how many gigs is that? o.0 wait no how many tb is that?

I am actually surprise that 16 people on srk do not download music. I thought the # be like 5 or less

[AdverseSolutions]

It would be one thing if people understood how copyrights work, and knew the difference between mechanical and performance royalties, a sync and blanket license, what ASCAP, BMI, and SESAC do, the difference between copyrighting a song and a sound recording, or if you could even tell me the basics of how a songwriter makes money. But you don't even understand what your arguing about. If you have questions, and and genuinely want an answer, I would be happy to give you one. Because if anyone understood this stuff, then they would understand why you don't DL illegally.

you can talk about the existing system til you're blue in the face. none of us volunteered for its rules and so we didn't vote to learn all of the contractual intricacies that you hold above our heads. what we want is free music. ten years ago before fair use law was hammered out, many of the podcasts, mixtapes etc. that people listen to today were basically illegal. hell, some are still illegal, as shown by the ridiculous raid on DJ drama a couple months ago. no one can deny however that freer music=funner life. mixtapes, with rappers over other rappers' beats cross the 'IP line' but who fucking cares, it's fun, it's good music, hell...it's sharing. mashups are the same.

we could subside on the music of past generations for years and years if it meant we didn't have to pay for new music. many people are doing just this and that's why the music market is in mid-collapse. there was a recent article about rick rubin in the NY times where you could literally feel the sweat on Columbia's forehead: he describes how everyone listens to music via word of mouth now. the radio has proven itself corrupt and music television is being replaced by youtube. rick rubin is afraid for his job. and you should be afraid for your job.

but incidentally, as another person working in IP (patents), let me take the opposite stance and just echo mj: 'download away'. make my job obsolete, PLEASE!

finally, i'd like to add my post in the 'is there such a thing as too much piracy?' thread

http://forums.shoryuken.com/showpost.php?p=4250982&postcount=54

[JubeiNinja69]

i DL some songs every now and then.

[The Invincible Swordsman]

I dl singles and buy albums. I also dl artists to see if I can find songs I never heard of and see if they're any good.

I also dl asian pop songs and albums because there's pretty much no chance I'm gonna ever get the chance to try out an album of theirs before I buy it and even then, I'm probably gonna have to wait a month just to listen to it.


This has been THE INVINCIBLE SWORDSMAN saying:

It's a matter of convenience.

[MagnetoManiac]

music is falling off big time.

rappers who were good in their first albums, are slacking. and even BONE THUGZ. which is sad =/. but i do buy the albums i like and think that the artist deserves their money for, of course. :D. old school.

oh and all this talk about the internet lowering music sales, all bs. music industry needs to step that up, nasty style :tdown:

[Azrael]

I download random singles and what not. I think that's what the internet and downloading have really helped out over the years. If I like a song - one song - from an artist, downloading lets me hear it whenever I want to. Back in the old days, I had to camp out the radio station or MTV (back when they actually played music...), or hope a friend picked up the CD/cassette tape so I could borrow it.

I also download TV shows. Its a Godsend for me, since I live overseas and can't exactly see it on TV. It also helps me to catch up with shows I've missed.

I don't really bother with movies. If I really want to see a movie, I'll go see it in the theater. If I don't want to see it in a theater, then I don't care enough to sit in front of my computer for two hours to watch a DL'ed version. I buy DVD's mostly because I have a really nice TV, and I'd much rather watch movies on it from my couch, rather than on my comp from the comp chair.

And of course, porn. Downloading porn as we speak, actually.

[Cisco]

i don't dl porn these days, it takes too long. I do DL bang bus episodes but no as much because i hate waiting. my porn is in, y:lovin:up:wasted:rn.c:wink:m haha

[Azrael]

All good things come to those who wait.

Start your DL in the morning before you go to work, or before a big weekend or something. Leave the computer for a day/few days, come back to it and BAM! New porn. It's like a little Christmas.