The Lone Dragon
09-25-2007, 02:58 PM
Another random thought, concerning two of my favorite fighting game villains.
Feel free to correct my info...
-their PLAYABLE debuts were only about a year apart...Fatal Fury Special 1993, Tekken 1994
-both are characters in SIX canon games
Kazuya
T1,T2,T4,T5,T5:DR,T6
Geese
FF1,3,RB,RB2,96,2006
Don't know if DR is canon or a retelling of T5.
Don't know if KOF 2006 Geese is canon. And, FF:Wild Ambition is a retelling of FF1. Not sure how canon it is...
So, maybe they're both in FIVE canon games.
-both characters have young and old versions
-both are gangst- er...uh..."businessmen" in charge of large, internationally known, CORRUPT organizations.
-both have primary costumes that have changed very little over the past 15 years (Geese -> orange pants, Kazuya --> white pants)
-when not wearing said costumes, both wear expensive powersuits. And, both work them VERY well.
-both are murderers (Geese---> Jeff Bogard, Kazuya --> Eddy Gordos dad)
-both are "Disney villains"...completely evil with no redeeming qualities whatsoever.
-both have rivalries with loud-mouthed, blonde-haired Americans that punch REALLY hard (Geese -> Terry, Kazuya --> Paul)
-both have been behind the kidnappings of innocent women (Geese-->Yuri Sakazaki, Kazuya--> Michelle's mother)
-both have a habit of moping around with arms crossed, and mumbling insults at people. And, Kazuya's maniacal laugh in his T4 ending is remarkably similar to Geese's laughing winposes...especially in KOF2006. Actually, all of Geese's KOF 2006 intro's and winposes could easily be used by Kazuya.
-both like to call opponents "pathetic"
-both tell opponents to "die!" after beating them.
-both like holding opponents in the air by the throat with one hand (that's really hard to do...especially to Marduk and Franco Bash)
-both rose to power through attempted murder (Geese-> Jeff Bogard, Kazuya->Heihachi)
Heihachi was lucky/angry/loud enough to survive, though.
-both were overthrown by revenge-driven opponents who were angry at the above mentioned murder attempts.
-after being overthrown, both were replaced by blood relatives. (Geese-->half-brother Krauser, Kazuya-->father Heihachi)
-both fell to their "deaths" from great heights TWICE...yet both are "alive" and playable in the most recent editions of their respective series'.
-both control wind (Geese: Reppu-Ken, Kazuya: Wind God Fist)
-both control electricity (Geese: Thunder Break, Kazuya: Electric Wind God Fist)
-both have had inexplicable "relations" with angelic, otherworldly women who have since disappeared mysteriously.
-both have sons who were trained and guided by their worst enemy. (Geese's son was trained by his nemesis Terry Bogard, Kazuya's son was trained by his nemesis Heihachi)
-both have sons who hate them with a passion...yet, begrudgingly fight with a similar style. (Geese -> Rock, Kazuya -> Jin)
-both have sons with wings.
-both have sons who were on the verge of murdering a blood relative...only to be stopped by the possibility that...gasp...mother is still alive! (Rock almost kills Uncle Kain, but stops when Kain suggests that Mother Marie is alive. Jin almost kills Grandpa Heihachi, but is suddenly stopped by visions of Mother Jun)
-both have sons with demons within...both have sons trying to resist the evil legacies of their fathers...both have sons who eventually succumb to that evil. (Rock joins Kain in his Garou ending, Jin goes frickin' ape-spit in T6)
AND, last but not least...
-both have SUPERPOLICE sniffing around their organizations (Hon-Fu and Lei Wulong...both Jackie Chan wannabes.)
The best thing about all these similarities is that they don't seem intentional. I mean, there are millions of Ryu clones out there...Bruce Lee wannabe clones...Chun-Li clones...and the imitation is usually obvious. But, Geese and Kazuya? I don't think SNK or Namco even knew the other existed. SNK was all about Capcom, while Namco was busy fighting with Sega VF. The two companies aren't on the same wavelength.
It's as if Geese and Kazuya independently developed into the same character, without any guidance at all. Like fate...
And, it looks like their sons inherited the path of similarity...
Hope Garou 2 comes out so we can see if this theory holds water...
What do you think?
EDIT:
-both have large, distinguishing scars
credit: Are_you_okay?!
-both have half/step brothers that don't care for them much (Geese -> Krauser, Kazuya -> Lee)
credit: Are_you_okay?!
-both have Super Seiyan versions of themselves (Geese -> Nightmare Geese, Kazuya -> Devil Kazuya)
credit: Dark Geese (of course)
Feel free to correct my info...
-their PLAYABLE debuts were only about a year apart...Fatal Fury Special 1993, Tekken 1994
-both are characters in SIX canon games
Kazuya
T1,T2,T4,T5,T5:DR,T6
Geese
FF1,3,RB,RB2,96,2006
Don't know if DR is canon or a retelling of T5.
Don't know if KOF 2006 Geese is canon. And, FF:Wild Ambition is a retelling of FF1. Not sure how canon it is...
So, maybe they're both in FIVE canon games.
-both characters have young and old versions
-both are gangst- er...uh..."businessmen" in charge of large, internationally known, CORRUPT organizations.
-both have primary costumes that have changed very little over the past 15 years (Geese -> orange pants, Kazuya --> white pants)
-when not wearing said costumes, both wear expensive powersuits. And, both work them VERY well.
-both are murderers (Geese---> Jeff Bogard, Kazuya --> Eddy Gordos dad)
-both are "Disney villains"...completely evil with no redeeming qualities whatsoever.
-both have rivalries with loud-mouthed, blonde-haired Americans that punch REALLY hard (Geese -> Terry, Kazuya --> Paul)
-both have been behind the kidnappings of innocent women (Geese-->Yuri Sakazaki, Kazuya--> Michelle's mother)
-both have a habit of moping around with arms crossed, and mumbling insults at people. And, Kazuya's maniacal laugh in his T4 ending is remarkably similar to Geese's laughing winposes...especially in KOF2006. Actually, all of Geese's KOF 2006 intro's and winposes could easily be used by Kazuya.
-both like to call opponents "pathetic"
-both tell opponents to "die!" after beating them.
-both like holding opponents in the air by the throat with one hand (that's really hard to do...especially to Marduk and Franco Bash)
-both rose to power through attempted murder (Geese-> Jeff Bogard, Kazuya->Heihachi)
Heihachi was lucky/angry/loud enough to survive, though.
-both were overthrown by revenge-driven opponents who were angry at the above mentioned murder attempts.
-after being overthrown, both were replaced by blood relatives. (Geese-->half-brother Krauser, Kazuya-->father Heihachi)
-both fell to their "deaths" from great heights TWICE...yet both are "alive" and playable in the most recent editions of their respective series'.
-both control wind (Geese: Reppu-Ken, Kazuya: Wind God Fist)
-both control electricity (Geese: Thunder Break, Kazuya: Electric Wind God Fist)
-both have had inexplicable "relations" with angelic, otherworldly women who have since disappeared mysteriously.
-both have sons who were trained and guided by their worst enemy. (Geese's son was trained by his nemesis Terry Bogard, Kazuya's son was trained by his nemesis Heihachi)
-both have sons who hate them with a passion...yet, begrudgingly fight with a similar style. (Geese -> Rock, Kazuya -> Jin)
-both have sons with wings.
-both have sons who were on the verge of murdering a blood relative...only to be stopped by the possibility that...gasp...mother is still alive! (Rock almost kills Uncle Kain, but stops when Kain suggests that Mother Marie is alive. Jin almost kills Grandpa Heihachi, but is suddenly stopped by visions of Mother Jun)
-both have sons with demons within...both have sons trying to resist the evil legacies of their fathers...both have sons who eventually succumb to that evil. (Rock joins Kain in his Garou ending, Jin goes frickin' ape-spit in T6)
AND, last but not least...
-both have SUPERPOLICE sniffing around their organizations (Hon-Fu and Lei Wulong...both Jackie Chan wannabes.)
The best thing about all these similarities is that they don't seem intentional. I mean, there are millions of Ryu clones out there...Bruce Lee wannabe clones...Chun-Li clones...and the imitation is usually obvious. But, Geese and Kazuya? I don't think SNK or Namco even knew the other existed. SNK was all about Capcom, while Namco was busy fighting with Sega VF. The two companies aren't on the same wavelength.
It's as if Geese and Kazuya independently developed into the same character, without any guidance at all. Like fate...
And, it looks like their sons inherited the path of similarity...
Hope Garou 2 comes out so we can see if this theory holds water...
What do you think?
EDIT:
-both have large, distinguishing scars
credit: Are_you_okay?!
-both have half/step brothers that don't care for them much (Geese -> Krauser, Kazuya -> Lee)
credit: Are_you_okay?!
-both have Super Seiyan versions of themselves (Geese -> Nightmare Geese, Kazuya -> Devil Kazuya)
credit: Dark Geese (of course)