Justice League Movie Rumors and Casting info

[ChairHome]

From Back Row Chatter via AICN:
Fairly mild spoilers, but it has the basic plot of the movie (taken from a somewhat recent JLA storyline). Also, see who (character wise) is in the cast.
The spoiler report wraps up with the author saying there is a big "Empire Strikes Back" moment that is a huge spoiler that he knows but doesn't want to tell. Lets speculate on what that is.

I know that you want to know. Make the jump and I promise to share the goodies with you but be warned that there be spoilers ahead!

Here’s what I’ve been told about the JLA movie:

-- The characters of Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, Green Lantern, The Flash and Martian Manhunter comprise the League. One name that I did not hear mentioned was that of Aquaman. Where’d the fish guy go? Good question.

-- Story elements from the screenplay have been adapted directly from DC’s JLA comic book series.

-- The man wearing the Green Lantern ring in the JLA film is John Stewart and not Hal Jordan (Earth’s first Green Lantern) or Kyle Rayner (who followed after Stewart’s run in the comic book continuity.) It should be noted that in the Justice League cartoon series John Stewart is the same character serving as Earth’s Green Lantern.

-- The Flash is the youngest member of the JLA. He has a crush on Wonder Woman.

-- Wonder Woman is portrayed as the member that acts as defacto humanitarian and face for the League. Our source told us that the best way to describe how she is written in the script is to “think of Angelina Jolie and her relations with foreign countries.”

-- Unbeknownst to the League Batman has a piece of technology that he developed called the “Redeye”, a cool piece of hardware that he can use to spy unbeknownst on the other League members. Want to know what the secret identity of Superman is? Not a problem. Want to find out what can cripple or kill each League member, their Achilles heel? It’s a snap with the Redeye. Batman files away the knowledge in case the day might ever come when he will need to use it to take down a member of the JLA that goes rogue or becomes a villain.

-- The Redeye is a fulcrum to the events that transpire in the movie. A villain—and I’m not at liberty to say which specific one or ones—will gain control of the Redeye. Instead of serving as a means of protecting the planet’s populace from the threat of a superhuman out of control, this creation of Batman’s will come back to haunt him, threaten the lives of the League and the safety of everyone on the entire planet.

-- During the course of the movie the day that Batman feared would come happens: a member of the League will, and we directly quote our source here, “go bad.”

It should also be said at this point that there is at least one major twist in the story that I’m not going to blow because I deem it an Empire spoiler. For those out there that don’t get my reference, imagine it’s 1979, the internet exists and you’re reading rumors about the new Star Wars sequel called The Empire Strikes Back. There’s some new guy called Lando, there’s a big battle on a snow planet, Luke meets up with another Jedi and Darth Vader says something to Luke near the end of the picture. Sure, those are all spoilers but if I came out and said what Vader told Luke? That’s an “Empire”. What’s in the box that Brad Pitt holds in the final ten minutes of Seven is an Empire. Kevin Spacey’s change of footwork at the end of The Usual Suspects is another Empire. Got it? Good.

New info. More small spoilers (http://movieblog.ugo.com/index.php/movieblog/more/more_exclusive_story_info_about_the_justice_league _of_america_movie/)... more casting info (http://www.aintitcool.com/node/34547).

[P. Gorath]

my initial thought is sounds like complete made up bullshit

[Are_you_okay?!]

Uh yeah this is fake, as the guy who plays Angel is signed up as Green Lantern and it was confirmed as Hal at Comic Con. So yeah this is bullshit.

[Severin-X]

Well it sounds a little like "Tower of Babel" which I liked but I have no hopes for this film. There is just no way they will be able to do the leage justice (no pun intended) live action. There are too many nuances to characters and such. Just think about Bats. There is a character that is easy to butcher (see Forever and Batman and Robin) Have they said who is going to play each character yet?

[Zephyranthes]

A few weeks ago, I heard a rumor that the JLA movie is going to take elements of OMAC Project. This sounds pretty similar. This sounds pretty lame.

But that thing about Wonder Woman and "just imagine Angelina Jolie's relationships with foreign countries" made me laugh long and hard.

Are_you_okay?, I think you're thinking about the JLA: The New Frontier animated movie adaptation of COOKE's story. That is going to be awesome.

[ChairHome]

Uh yeah this is fake, as the guy who plays Angel is signed up as Green Lantern and it was confirmed as Hal at Comic Con. So yeah this is bullshit.

Yeah, as Zeph said, the Angel guy is the voice actor for Hal in The New Frontier animated DVD, not for this.

So you're bullshit.

Just kidding.

[Are_you_okay?!]

A few weeks ago, I heard a rumor that the JLA movie is going to take elements of OMAC Project. This sounds pretty similar. This sounds pretty lame.

But that thing about Wonder Woman and "just imagine Angelina Jolie's relationships with foreign countries" made me laugh long and hard.

Are_you_okay?, I think you're thinking about the JLA: The New Frontier animated movie adaptation of COOKE's story. That is going to be awesome.

I suppose so, I figured there would be only one JLA movie, not two. I look forward to New Frontier regardless.

[goodm0urning]

Lies. Here's the real story:

The Pentagon breaks the news to League members that there is an international emergency. The NSA refuses to divulge the exact nature of the threat via radio, but requests that all seven founding members assemble at once.

Wonder Woman arrives in her Invisible Jet, while Batman arrives in the Batmobile. They find, however, that the Pentagon's parking lot is not equipped with a hangar for the Jet, nor a double-wide parking space for the Batmobile. Both heroes must search endlessly for a series of adjacent empty spaces in which to park their oversized vehicles.

Meanwhile, Superman has his hands full with the nefarious Meta-man, a 15 year old skateboard enthusiast who found a piece of kryptonite at the bottom of his parents' swimming pool in Billings, Montana. The battle turns in Meta-man's favor when the kryptonite-stricken Superman stumbles into the pool, which is filled with three inches of water. He struggles to avoid drowning.

Meanwhile, Martian Manhunter has a headache, which happens every time Dancing With The Stars comes on television. He stays home and tries to shut out the waves of pure stupidity radiating from the minds of Americans across the country.

Meanwhile, the Weather Wizard has stymied the Flash with his deadliest plan yet: shitloads of flypaper. The Scarlet Speedster struggles to break free. Fortunately, Green Lantern arrives on the scene to assist him. Unfortunately, the glue on the flypaper is yellow, and Weather Wizard is wearing his favorite yellow raincoat. GL ponders his list of options, which is perilously short.

Meanwhile, Aqua Man remains unsympathetic to the plight of his land-dwelling compadres, since he is a curmudgeon who periodically refuses to help anybody for no fucking reason at all.

Meanwhile, Wonder Woman and Batman still vainly search for parking. The story ends when the Tumbler runs out of gas, with Wonder Woman stuck in a holding pattern that looks, for all the world, like a half-naked woman scooting around in circles on her butt. In mid-air.

[Are_you_okay?!]

Lies. Here's the real story:

The Pentagon breaks the news to League members that there is an international emergency. The NSA refuses to divulge the exact nature of the threat via radio, but requests that all seven founding members assemble at once.

Wonder Woman arrives in her Invisible Jet, while Batman arrives in the Batmobile. They find, however, that the Pentagon's parking lot is not equipped with a hangar for the Jet, nor a double-wide parking space for the Batmobile. Both heroes must search endlessly for a series of adjacent empty spaces in which to park their oversized vehicles.

Meanwhile, Superman has his hands full with the nefarious Meta-man, a 15 year old skateboard enthusiast who found a piece of kryptonite at the bottom of his parents' swimming pool in Billings, Montana. The battle turns in Meta-man's favor when the kryptonite-stricken Superman stumbles into the pool, which is filled with three inches of water. He struggles to avoid drowning.

Meanwhile, Martian Manhunter has a headache, which happens every time Dancing With The Stars comes on television. He stays home and tries to shut out the waves of pure stupidity radiating from the minds of Americans across the country.

Meanwhile, the Weather Wizard has stymied the Flash with his deadliest plan yet: shitloads of flypaper. The Scarlet Speedster struggles to break free. Fortunately, Green Lantern arrives on the scene to assist him. Unfortunately, the glue on the flypaper is yellow, and Weather Wizard is wearing his favorite yellow raincoat. GL ponders his list of options, which is perilously short.

Meanwhile, Aqua Man remains unsympathetic to the plight of his land-dwelling compadres, since he is a curmudgeon who periodically refuses to help anybody for no fucking reason at all.

Meanwhile, Wonder Woman and Batman still vainly search for parking. The story ends when the Tumbler runs out of gas, with Wonder Woman stuck in a holding pattern that looks, for all the world, like a half-naked woman scooting around in circles on her butt. In mid-air.

If I was ever a movie director, I would buy this script from you immediatly.

[RockBogart]

Uh yeah this is fake, as the guy who plays Angel is signed up as Green Lantern and it was confirmed as Hal at Comic Con. So yeah this is bullshit.

How can he do that and Submariner at the same time? And no its not bullshit. I heard about a JLA movie on entertainment show last night. I think that Jennifer Garner was one of the women they were looking at to do Wonder Woman.

[Are_you_okay?!]

Uh...yeah you were beat by two people, thanks for playing. I'm sure the animated one will be better than this, JLA live action means a lot of cast members which means not a lot of actual celebrities.

[xero15]

well i heard a few rumors saying they were gonna try and get christian bale for bats again but who knows. anyways im not an avid GL reader why is he weak to the color yellow?

[DS]

I think that Jennifer Garner was one of the women they were looking at to do Wonder Woman.

This looks to be like pure ass. Count me out for this movie.

[goodm0urning]

well i heard a few rumors saying they were gonna try and get christian bale for bats again but who knows. anyways im not an avid GL reader why is he weak to the color yellow?Depending on who's writing, they play it down nowadays. But classically, the power ring of a Green Lantern is ineffective against yellow objects. The Guardians Of The Universe constructed the rings with "necessary impurities" that make them weak to the yellow portion of the visible spectrum--which is why, for example, Sinestro can cause so much trouble with his yellow power ring.

Yeah, I know, it's basically a plot device to keep the Green Lanterns from being too powerful. It's comics; don't think too hard about it.

[Are_you_okay?!]

Depending on who's writing, they play it down nowadays. But classically, the power ring of a Green Lantern is ineffective against yellow objects. The Guardians Of The Universe constructed the rings with "necessary impurities" that make them weak to the yellow portion of the visible spectrum--which is why, for example, Sinestro can cause so much trouble with his yellow power ring.

Yeah, I know, it's basically a plot device to keep the Green Lanterns from being too powerful. It's comics; don't think too hard about it.

I like the idea that it was Parallax and the inherit fear in a GL kept them from doing anything to the color yellow. It's also the main plot behind the whole Sinestro Corps arc and stuff.

I had no idea SBP was back, he better wreck some mofo's up.

[Sano]

Rumor floating around that Jessica Biel's been approached to play Wonder Woman.

http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=130630

Well it's better than the rumor that she will play Chun-Li in the new Street Fighter movie but not by much lol! Personally I think she would make a great Starfire if they ever do a Teen Titans movie.

[Zephyranthes]

well i heard a few rumors saying they were gonna try and get christian bale for bats again but who knows. anyways im not an avid GL reader why is he weak to the color yellow?

Yeah, pretty much what goody said. Back in the Golden Age and Silver Age (say, '40s to '60s) writers used to give their characters weaknesses for some reason. The Golden Age Green Lantern (the one with the red shirt and green cape) had a weakness to wood, Superman had Kryptonite, Wonder Woman got weak if someone tied her up, Martian Manhunter was vulnerable to fire...

I think the reason the Silver Age Green Lantern was weak against yellow was because yellow is the color of Asians. And back then, people were scared that Asians would take over world governments or annihilate the planet and cause a nuclear holocaust. Call it the Conqueror Ming mentality.

Recently, politically correct bigwigs decided to do away with the weakness to yellow because, supposedly, Asian peoples are not as terrible as once thought.

[RockBogart]

http://news.aol.com/entertainment/movies/movie-news-story/_a/biel-may-play-wonder-woman-in-justice/20070925084809990001


Looks like I was mistaken. Its Jessica Beil.

[Wellman]

Lies. Here's the real story:

The Pentagon breaks the news to League members that there is an international emergency. The NSA refuses to divulge the exact nature of the threat via radio, but requests that all seven founding members assemble at once.

Wonder Woman arrives in her Invisible Jet, while Batman arrives in the Batmobile. They find, however, that the Pentagon's parking lot is not equipped with a hangar for the Jet, nor a double-wide parking space for the Batmobile. Both heroes must search endlessly for a series of adjacent empty spaces in which to park their oversized vehicles.

Meanwhile, Superman has his hands full with the nefarious Meta-man, a 15 year old skateboard enthusiast who found a piece of kryptonite at the bottom of his parents' swimming pool in Billings, Montana. The battle turns in Meta-man's favor when the kryptonite-stricken Superman stumbles into the pool, which is filled with three inches of water. He struggles to avoid drowning.

Meanwhile, Martian Manhunter has a headache, which happens every time Dancing With The Stars comes on television. He stays home and tries to shut out the waves of pure stupidity radiating from the minds of Americans across the country.

Meanwhile, the Weather Wizard has stymied the Flash with his deadliest plan yet: shitloads of flypaper. The Scarlet Speedster struggles to break free. Fortunately, Green Lantern arrives on the scene to assist him. Unfortunately, the glue on the flypaper is yellow, and Weather Wizard is wearing his favorite yellow raincoat. GL ponders his list of options, which is perilously short.

Meanwhile, Aqua Man remains unsympathetic to the plight of his land-dwelling compadres, since he is a curmudgeon who periodically refuses to help anybody for no fucking reason at all.

Meanwhile, Wonder Woman and Batman still vainly search for parking. The story ends when the Tumbler runs out of gas, with Wonder Woman stuck in a holding pattern that looks, for all the world, like a half-naked woman scooting around in circles on her butt. In mid-air.


Sounds like a better idea than the one ChairHome said leaked.

[xero15]

ok well all of those makes sense so now i know a little bit more to the knowledge that i really didnt care much about to start with. thnx yo if i could i would rep yall.

[Sanji Himura]

http://news.aol.com/entertainment/movies/movie-news-story/_a/biel-may-play-wonder-woman-in-justice/20070925084809990001


Looks like I was mistaken. Its Jessica Beil.
No, it's not.

http://movies.ign.com/articles/823/823572p1.html

Also, GL in the film will be John Stewart afterall. Clifford Joseph Harris Jr. has recently read for the role.(same link) You can see his acting skills in American Gangster with Denzel Washington.

[Rik]

I didnt see this thread, crap...anyways John isnt in the film from what ive heard. There doing the original members so its very likly we will be seeing the real"Green Lanter"and not some e-list srcub. Even if he is in here at least that annoying hawkgirl is out.

[Zephyranthes]

I think it is going to be John Stewart. And they say Barry Allen will be the Flash.

http://www.comicbookresources.com/news/newsitem.cgi?id=12052

Scroll down a bit to the "Justice League" section.

[Rik]

If they studio is wanting the original JL members then it wont be Stewart. The company wont be willing to take any chances im guessing, and it wouldnt make since not to feature the real green lantern in favor of a virtural unknown. Im hoping the studio does the right thing here.

[DS]

If they studio is wanting the original JL members then it wont be Stewart. The company wont be willing to take any chances im guessing, and it wouldnt make since not to feature the real green lantern in favor of a virtural unknown. Im hoping the studio does the right thing here.

What is right and wrong to us fans is of no concern to the studio. They're looking to draw in the general populace to the movie theater. Casuals > geeks. Real talk. And since money talks, you have no say in the matter.

[Zephyranthes]

Oh. Did you click the link in the CBR story?
http://www.iesb.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=3438&Itemid=99

I don't know if anyone can confirm or deny at this early stage. I would expect them to use John because he was in the cartoon, and he's also black. I believe Lying in the Gutters (comics industry rumor column) pointed out that the studio advertised an audition for Justice League and called for one black male actor.

[DS]

Oh. Did you click the link in the CBR story?
http://www.iesb.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=3438&Itemid=99

I don't know if anyone can confirm or deny at this early stage. I would expect them to use John because he was in the cartoon, and he's also black. I believe Lying in the Gutters (comics industry rumor column) pointed out that the studio advertised an audition for Justice League and called for one black male actor.

Tyreese was that rumored actor.

[Rik]

Yeah but the studio said there bringing in the original roster, they even have Barry as the flash as opposed to Wally. So obviosuly Hal Jordan is in the film, just like how Diana will be WW as opposed to Donna Troy.

It would be retarded to have John in the film, i doubt the stuido will be so stupid.

[Zephyranthes]

When did the studio say they would have Hal? Oh, well. Maybe if you hope hard enough, through sheer force of willpower, you can make it happen.

[Rik]

They said there bringing in the original roster which is why the flash is barry as opposed to wally...John wasnt in the original roster. John is just some random black guy no one gave shit about who came out several years later..soo yeah.

[Zephyranthes]

Right... I asked you where you read that. soooooo yeah

[Rik]

http://movies.ign.com/articles/825/825562p1.html

Right there, seven orginal JL members....sooo yeah.

[Zephyranthes]

http://www.comicbookresources.com/columns/index.cgi?column=litg&article=2889

http://tpsonline.org/auditions/auddb.php?Aud_ID=12470

It just seems more likely that it'll be John. Unless they want a black dude to play Martian Manhunter, which is possible. Or maybe Wonder Woman. That would be quite the Elseworlds.

[DS]

http://movies.ign.com/articles/825/825562p1.html

Right there, seven orginal JL members....sooo yeah.

Seven original members =/= Hal Jordan. Reading is the most fundamental thing in life.

[Rik]

hmmm, still getting the impression it will be Jordan since the studio will be going with the original 7 members. At the very leat, Manhunter could possibly be played by a black guy since he is a shapshifter that can assume any form....But man a black WW would ruin her character for ever lol.

[Zephyranthes]

Seven original members =/= Hal Jordan. Reading is the most fundamental thing in life.

I don't think he is reading everything we showed him.

[Rik]

lol, I still dont get what the issue here is seeing that the studio said the 7 original members will be in the film. John wasnt in the original roster so any rational person can easily conclude Jordan will be in the film. Its not up for debate here dudes, Jordan was the original and the studio said they wanted the original roster....so yeah.

[Embryo]

Well yeah I see what you mean, if anything Manhunter could possibly be black seeing as he can shapeshift to anything he wants. Besides that, John is to unknown and the entry would be seen as to random. Although theres a chance it could be Kyle instead of Jordan, but even then its not as bad as having John as the lantern.

[goodm0urning]

"The Original Seven" has been used to describe any group that includes seven founding members, regardless of whether they're the actual Silver Age original seven or not. I'll remind you that the Timmverse routinely referred to the core group as The Original Seven, including Shayera Hol, John Stewart, and Wally West.

And it's great that they're going with Barry, but his inclusion does not necessarily mean that they'll include Hal as well. John Stewart is currently a very popular character with casual fans, and Warners is not going to overlook that.

EDIT:

If it ends up being Kyle, I will mail my feces to WB headquarters.

[xero15]

What is right and wrong to us fans is of no concern to the studio. They're looking to draw in the general populace to the movie theater. Casuals > geeks. Real talk. And since money talks, you have no say in the matter.

not necessarily true.

[Rik]

Well I am assuming there referring to the main DC continuity and not the wonky Timmverse, which makes sense since it would be more commercially and financially secure to go with a roster the mass public recognizes. Jordan eclipses Johns in popularity quite significantly anyways so I doubt we'll even hear the mention of John Stewart. The only black member that would be acceptable is the Martian Manhunter since his shape shifting can alter his ethnicity at will.

Oh and Kyle is way better then John ever will be, Kyle is a far better character and not just some random token black guy.

[Embryo]

Yeah, I always felt John was just included to seem diverse or some bullshit...but he never really earned his place. Not to mention hes a freaking weakling lol...hes like what....mid tier at best or something.

[Rik]

Well the tier list for the lanters is like this:

Hal Jordan
kyle Rayner
Guy Gardner
Sinestro
John Stewart

He's decent but not really the type of guy you would include in a team thats supposed to represent"the most powerful superheroes". I guess thats why I always questioned his placment in Bruce Timms JL, it seemed more like a desicion based of affirmative action then anything that was character related. I mean Kara did own him pretty bad afterall lol.

[goodm0urning]

No, I would wager that at this point, the general public is far more familiar with John as the Green Lantern than with Hal. It's not necessarily a good thing, but Hal has never gotten significant face time in a very recent, very popular television show. John has, and that matters a lot (even though JLU John is different from comics John).

It won't be as big a deal to bring Barry in as Flash, because for the most part, the JLU storylines weren't so contingent on the Flash's true identity. It was only referenced a handful of times, and besides, JLU Wally is basically an unmarried version of Barry anyway.

[Embryo]

Well when i fist watched the JL cartoons i always asked"hey...wasnt lantern white", and besides that i dont think the cartoon did enough for John to place him above Jordan.

[Zephyranthes]

The cartoon made John more visible. Not all of the people who watched the cartoon read the comics, and I'm pretty sure the cartoon had a bigger viewership than just about any comic today. Some teenager living in Sheboygan, WI might have never held a comic book before but he knows Green Lantern as John Stewart because he watched the show. People who grew up in the '70s probably enjoy John as well. You can't fade the Neal Adams-drawn afro, baby.

There's also the chance that people who go to the movie might be going to watch it because they think that Green Lantern is the guy from the Daily Show.

[DS]

Well I am assuming there referring to the main DC continuity and not the wonky Timmverse, which makes sense since it would be more commercially and financially secure to go with a roster the mass public recognizes. Jordan eclipses Johns in popularity quite significantly anyways so I doubt we'll even hear the mention of John Stewart. The only black member that would be acceptable is the Martian Manhunter since his shape shifting can alter his ethnicity at will.

Oh and Kyle is way better then John ever will be, Kyle is a far better character and not just some random token black guy.

This hurt my brain. Zephy, please make it stop. :sad:

[Sano]

Yikes what's the big deal. They put John Stewart in this movie, they say Hal Jordan was a GL of the past and they give him his own movie that took place around the same time the character was created, the 60s, everybody wins...

[goodm0urning]

Yikes what's the big deal. They put John Stewart in this movie, they say Hal Jordan was a GL of the past and they give him his own movie that took place around the same time the character was created, the 60s, everybody wins...Yeah, you know that ain't happening anytime soon. WB/DC have a really fucked-up idea of the intelligence of their audience. Remember, they're keeping Batman out of Smallville because they're worried people might get confused as to why there's a totally different Batman in the movies.

Then again, maybe they're right.

[Sano]

Yeah, you know that ain't happening anytime soon. WB/DC have a really fucked-up idea of the intelligence of their audience. Remember, they're keeping Batman out of Smallville because they're worried people might get confused as to why there's a totally different Batman in the movies.

Then again, maybe they're right.

True but a lot of that is due to the stupid ass WB/DC embargo that keeps the exposure of characters limited. They want the Superman/Batman meeting to happen in a movie and not have a TV show steal it's thunder. It's the same reason why Batman villains were a no show on the last season of Justice League when they were on The Batman, why Batgirl was introduced on The Batman before Robin while he was on Teen Titans, why there's no Wonder Woman on Smallville because they are/were trying to get a WW movie of the ground and so on. WB/DC is very territorial when it comes to stuff like that along with how much exposure everyone gets.

Yeah it's pretty dumb but Marvel would have even more problems with characters meeting in live action movies due to different studios holding rights to different characters... Don't hold your breath on a New Avengers movie that has Iron Man, Wolverine and Spider-Man all together... Or a multi crossover movie event like Secret Wars... Well I suppose all of the actors would ask for too much money anyway... :wasted:

[RockBogart]

Well the tier list for the lanters is like this:

Hal Jordan
kyle Rayner
Guy Gardner
Sinestro
John Stewart

He's decent but not really the type of guy you would include in a team thats supposed to represent"the most powerful superheroes". I guess thats why I always questioned his placment in Bruce Timms JL, it seemed more like a desicion based of affirmative action then anything that was character related. I mean Kara did own him pretty bad afterall lol.

John is the only lantern to be able to reach Guardian status as well as be able to use the powers with out the ring. How the fuck is he at the bottom of the list?

[maxx]

John is the only lantern to be able to reach Guardian status as well as be able to use the powers with out the ring. How the fuck is he at the bottom of the list?

also someone busted out the mental strength numbers in another gl thread and he was just under hal...he technically should be above him for being smart enough to store his power for just incase purposes. but ya know a blackman can't be above the great white hope.

militant blackman>*

[Septimus Prime]

That's an interesting thing you're saying about cross-overs, sano, but The Batman already had a Superman cross-over.

Also, as someone who doesn't read GL comics (or any non-humor comics, for that matter), I'm more comfortable thinking of John Stewart as GL because of the animated series.

[Sano]

That's an interesting thing you're saying about cross-overs, sano, but The Batman already had a Superman cross-over.

Also, as someone who doesn't read GL comics (or any non-humor comics, for that matter), I'm more comfortable thinking of John Stewart as GL because of the animated series.

Superman's been on both Legion of Super Heroes and The Batman if that's what you mean, that's true. Maybe they loosened up a bit, but I doubt it.... Prolly doesn't matter with LOSH and The Batman being so far away and not using the same characters for the most part. Not saying there aren't exceptions to the rule like Superman on Krypto's show, but it's not a rule anyway, it's all about limiting character's appearances.

If you mean Superman meeting Batman in a cartoon stealing thunder from a movie suits don't think that way nor do they think the same audience who watches a cartoon watches Smallville. The audience who watches Smallville sees movies. So it's a live action meeting that this is all about.

The thinking behind the embargo is, if you want Robin you should watch this show that's on the air now and that's the only place you will see him right now. If you want Joker you should watch this show. If you want Superman to meet Batman go see this movie, and so on. They don't want every character to be available everywhere to expose you to different things. It's still retarted though IMHO but I don't run a company so what do I know...

[Septimus Prime]

I mean the part where you said Smallville or something would be stealing the thunder of a cross-over movie. But I suppose live action follows different rules.

[Rik]

The logic behind the cross-over thing is a bit retarded, but who knows maybe they will change there policy sometime soon. On the Lantern note, there is no way John is going above Hal. At best he might be above Sinestro (being very kind here) but he is mid tier at best. Jordan is the second most powerful member on the Leauge (next to only Superman) and Kyle rejected Godhood. I dont see any feats that suggest John should be higher on the list or above someone as powerful as Jordan, and wishful thinking doesnt count guys.

I seriously question the logic behind Johns inclusion, if the concept of the JL is to unite the most powerful superheroes under one building...then why have someone llike John over Kye and Jordan who are obviously way more powerful. I guess the only conclusion I can come to is because Johns black or something...which is really a retarded reason if you ask me.

[maxx]

The logic behind the cross-over thing is a bit retarded, but who knows maybe they will change there policy sometime soon. On the Lantern note, there is no way John is going above Hal. At best he might be above Sinestro (being very kind here) but he is mid tier at best. Jordan is the second most powerful member on the Leauge (next to only Superman) and Kyle rejected Godhood. I dont see any feats that suggest John should be higher on the list or above someone as powerful as Jordan, and wishful thinking doesnt count guys.

I seriously question the logic behind Johns inclusion, if the concept of the JL is to unite the most powerful superheroes under one building...then why have someone llike John over Kye and Jordan who are obviously way more powerful. I guess the only conclusion I can come to is because Johns black or something...which is really a retarded reason if you ask me.

the mere fact that john's mental strength is stronger than kyle's and guys puts him above them.

he thinks things out and has just incase plans..versus hal and kyles gun ho attitude.

[DS]

Martian Manhunter > Supes. Real talk. And Batman > all of the JLA. More real talk.

I'd seriously rank MM > Supes any day of the weak.

[Rik]

LMAO are you guys serious lol, Wow you guys gotta read up or something cause this isnt even funny. Okay where do I start, regardless of Johns mental strenght there is no way in hell he can be mentioned in the same breath as Jordan and Kyle. Kyle rejected Godhood and Jordan is just all around a badass. The comics have always portrayed john as being less talented with the ring, he cant do the things John or kyle do...in fact he isnt above anyone on that list in terms of feats.

MM is a lot more powerful then John, but he is considerably lower then Superman by quite a large margin. Hell WW is above MM, in fact Jordan could solo WW and MM for a soild majority. Not to mention MM got owned by black adam who is essentially a superman level being....the only one on the team that could give superman a good fight is Jordan and possibly one of the flashes (Barry or Bart).

[maxx]

LMAO are you guys serious lol, Wow you guys gotta read up or something cause this isnt even funny. Okay where do I start, regardless of Johns mental strenght there is no way in hell he can be mentioned in the same breath as Jordan and Kyle. Kyle rejected Godhood and Jordan is just all around a badass. The comics have always portrayed john as being less talented with the ring, he cant do the things John or kyle do...in fact he isnt above anyone on that list in terms of feats.

MM is a lot more powerful then John, but he is considerably lower then Superman by quite a large margin. Hell WW is above MM, in fact Jordan could solo WW and MM for a soild majority. Not to mention MM got owned by black adam who is essentially a superman level being....the only one on the team that could give superman a good fight is Jordan and possibly one of the flashes (Barry or Bart).

bart?! you just said bart could give clark a run for his money?! no pun intended

man you are just silly...too too silly.

john can't do the things kyle and hal can do? well they can't do some of the things he can do. The fact he's mentally stronger means his abilities with the ring are stronger...now john wasn't given the same opportunities as the others...he rejected godhood..thats nice..and that makes him better. you know john would do the exact same thing given the situation..yet somehow kyle is better for it?

[DS]

the only one on the team that could give superman a good fight is Jordan and possibly one of the flashes (Barry or Bart).

I think you're forgetting the part where Batman cheats. I like how you left Wally out of that, but that's ok because we obviously know the Speedforce > Superman any day of the week.

Also, Black Adam owned up MM hard in WWIII because he tried getting in his mind. So yeah, Black Adam's mental strength over MM, BUT MM can still make the JLA a bunch of catotonics.

And yes, John's mental strength is too good. He may not do some of the overexaggerated shit that Kyle is known for, but each GL uses their rings in their own way.

[Rik]

The problem here is that"what ifs" and"could have"doesnt factor in when where talking about on panel feats. The wrtiers can say"John has powerful mental strength" but untill he does the things that Kyle did as oblivion or the things Jordan has done throughout his career John will continue to remain as a mid tier...which really conflicts with the premise of having top tier superheroes in one team.

Manhunter is elite but he isnt on Supes leauge. WW and Barry could take him out as well as either Kyle or Jordan. Like I said before, Jordan could easily solo WW and MM for a soild majority....hell Kyle or Hall would rip right through John 10/10. But u know this isnt a"vs" debate thread though so lets jsut drop it, John isnt that powerful and thats jsut the nature of the beast so lets move on now shall we.

[nameingway]

this thread made my stomach hurt, until i got to see someone bigup black adam on page 4. gg DS.

honestly just reading about the dude who played angel in X3 as hal jordan made me get cancer on the eyes.

[Rik]

Well im expecting the casting to be off, this movie will either be a great and epic comic book adaptation...or another blade 3.

[Zephyranthes]

LMAO are you guys serious lol, Wow you guys gotta read up or something cause this isnt even funny.

What's funny is that you really seem to think you know everything there is to know about the JLA and all of the characters. Don't tell me, everything you know about comics is from the things you've read over the past, say... two years? Let me guess. You read 52, the various spinoffs, and a Crisis or two?


Kyle rejected Godhood and Jordan is just all around a badass.

"All around a badass," huh? That's a great explanation. If Hal is such a badass, why did he go insane and turn into a supervillain when his city was destroyed? And if you blame that on shitty writing (which is an entirely valid defense), then Winick's story about Kyle rejecting the power of Ion could also be chalked up to shitty writing. You need to be consistent.


The comics have always portrayed john as being less talented with the ring, he cant do the things John or kyle do...in fact he isnt above anyone on that list in terms of feats.

John isn't less talented. If you ever read any comics before 2006, it's always been Kyle who's the one that everyone looks at as the least dominant GL. He was a rookie for like seven years - SEVEN YEARS - before he finally started picking up the slack. John Stewart laid down a buttwhooping on his first mission and easily earned Hal's respect.


MM is a lot more powerful then John, but he is considerably lower then Superman by quite a large margin. Hell WW is above MM, in fact Jordan could solo WW and MM for a soild majority. Not to mention MM got owned by black adam who is essentially a superman level being....the only one on the team that could give superman a good fight is Jordan and possibly one of the flashes (Barry or Bart).

Go read JLA: Trial By Fire. Martian Manhunter unleashes the full range of his power and easily takes down the JLA. The only one who was able to put up a fight? John Stewart, baby. (Well, and Plastic Man at the end, but I'm guessing you never heard of him.)

Anyway, if you still doubt that Manhunter can beat up Superman, try to think about it logically for a bit. Manhunter is basically just as strong as Superman, but he also can shapeshift. Not only that, but his mental powers are not to be trifled with.

How many times have you seen Superman get mind controlled? Happens all the damn time. Despero, Granny Goodness, Ultra Humanite, Starro, fuckin' Maxwell Lord... They've all controlled Superman at one point or another. And here you have the Manhunter, who's able to maintain a telepathic link between the entire JLA even when their members are scattered across the galaxy. Just that power alone can incapacitate Superman.

Superman has even said that Manhunter is one of the few guys who can actually take him down.

And doubting Batman just shows you have no idea what you're blabbing about.

To quote a legendary SRKer:

ACT LIKE YOU KNOW

[Rik]

It is accepted by the comic book community that the most powerful Lantern of all time is Hal and here is why. Hal can create constructs that can contain blast powerful enough to destroy planets, he can also destroy planets himself and even recreate planets complete with wildlife, buildings and people. He has moved planets from there orbit and can easily prevent the flow of time for an entire planet, basically he can stop time. Jordan can travel past the speed of light as well, not to mention Jordan defeated Legion whom single handily smacked the entire Lantern corps, this feat impressed the guardians especially since Jordan entered into the power battery and feed of the energies directly which until that point was considered impossible. Now Kyle is considered the second most powerful Lantern because he would have become Ion...enough said. The only feat I remember Stewart doing was getting pwned by an evil Kara....and ummm yeah.

Oh and MM isn't close to superman just so you know, supes destroyed a star system with a sneeze...do I really need to continue on to his speed feats which are comparable to the flash. Supes always holds back anyways so untill we see a direct 1 on 1 confrontation between supes and mm without supes holding back u have nothing to support your claim that mm>supes. In reality its Supes>Jordan>Kyle>>>WW>MM>>>>>>>>>>>John Stewart.

[RockBogart]

On the Lantern note, there is no way John is going above Hal. At best he might be above Sinestro (being very kind here) but he is mid tier at best. Jordan is the second most powerful member on the Leauge (next to only Superman) and Kyle rejected Godhood. I dont see any feats that suggest John should be higher on the list or above someone as powerful as Jordan, and wishful thinking doesnt count guys.


GL with UNR > whiney GL

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/8f/GL087.jpg


John finally forgave himself for his past mistakes and grew into a stronger, more complex hero when he became the caretaker of the "Mosaic World", a patchwork of communities from multiple planets that had been brought to Oa by an insane Guardian who had raped John’s mind. Although bitter and sullen at his assignment at first he overcame this and, using his formidable intellect and talent for unconventional thinking, Stewart forged the Mosaic into a new society and eventually became the first mortal Guardian of the Universe, known as the Master Builder.

Oh and not being a some parasite's bitch put him above Jordan. And what part of "Didn't need a ring to use his powers" didn't you understand?

[Rik]

I still dont see how that puts him above Jordan or anywhere close to Kyle or Jordan. A lot of characters in comics have tittles u know, just because Magneto is called the "master of magnetism" that means we should put him at around an abstract level being right?. so john is called the first mortal Guardian of the Universe, well untill I see him rejecting Godhood or doing anything close to what Hal has doesn (mentioned above) then I dont see why he is anything but a mid-tier e-lister.

[nameingway]

Oh and MM isn't close to superman just so you know, supes destroyed a star system with a sneeze...do I really need to continue on to his speed feats which are comparable to the flash. Supes always holds back anyways so untill we see a direct 1 on 1 confrontation between supes and mm without supes holding back u have nothing to support your claim that mm>supes. In reality its Supes>Jordan>Kyle>>>WW>MM>>>>>>>>>>>John Stewart.

please don't theory fight, especially when you don't know what you're talking about. consider it a personal favor to just stop now, k? i really enjoy reading a lot of posters here when they really get down and dirty with the theory fights, but you... just need to stop. in between this and the angel as hal jordan thing i'm pretty sure i'm on a 1 way train to blindville.

also... you're talking about silver age superman dude. come the fuck on, you might as well be talking about SBP/SMP (whatever they're calling him now).

on topic: as long as they can get bale for batman and don't pull a superman returns for big blue, i should be ok with the movie being made. oh yeah and if martian manhunter isn't green i'm gonig to be pissed. fuck it.

[goodm0urning]

Yeah it's pretty dumb but Marvel would have even more problems with characters meeting in live action movies due to different studios holding rights to different characters... Don't hold your breath on a New Avengers movie that has Iron Man, Wolverine and Spider-Man all together... Or a multi crossover movie event like Secret Wars... Well I suppose all of the actors would ask for too much money anyway... :wasted:I heard Marvel was going to try to start consolidating their movie properties, but I don't know much about it. It doesn't seem very feasible, with the way they've gotten everything tangled up.

Also, as someone who doesn't read GL comics (or any non-humor comics, for that matter), I'm more comfortable thinking of John Stewart as GL because of the animated series.I would guess that you would represent the typical big screen JLA audience member, then. Theaters certainly aren't going to be packed with droves of diehard comic book readers.

I'd seriously rank MM > Supes any day of the weak.I heartily disagree. Nothing against J'onn, of course, but for all but a very small handful of characters, Supes is essentially unbeatable by design.

I think you're forgetting the part where Batman cheats. I like how you left Wally out of that, but that's ok because we obviously know the Speedforce > Superman any day of the week.I would, however, agree with this. If the Flash (any of them, really) wanted to badly enough, he could own anybody. He has the greatest potential power of all DC heroes.

[nameingway]

I heartily disagree. Nothing against J'onn, of course, but for all but a very small handful of characters, Supes is essentially unbeatable by design.

well... martian manhunter can shapeshift -> phase out somewhere so he's invis -> mind control someone to do his bidding (example: have supes fly right into a convenient pile of kryptonite).

another thing to check on since i haven't really been keeping up with batman, has he finished re-making the ring? i know he had been working on a replacement but didn't know if that actually bared fruit.

edited the silly misquoting.

[Septimus Prime]

I would guess that you would represent the typical big screen JLA audience member, then. Theaters certainly aren't going to be packed with droves of diehard comic book readers.
I agree. That's why I decided to post that. Now, while I don't read comics, I spend a lot of time reading up on their backstories and synopses, so I know some stuff, but I will say that the typical movie goer will probably immediately recognize Stewart.

[goodm0urning]

well... martian manhunter can shapeshift -> phase out somewhere so he's invis -> mind control someone to do his bidding (example: have supes fly right into a convenient pile of kryptonite).Unless they've altered him in recent times and I'm not aware of it, MM is also not particularly faster than an ordinary man, aside from his considerable flight speed. Superman, on the other hand, is fast enough that most characters (with the obvious counter-example of the Speed Force characters) cannot react in time to stop him.

But that's Super Theory Fighter II. Depending on who's writing, they could probably contrive a way for either Superman or MM to be beaten by a three year old girl.

[nameingway]

But that's Super Theory Fighter II. Depending on who's writing, they could probably contrive a way for either Superman or MM to be beaten by a three year old girl.

you're right and i want you to know that what you just typed reminded me of squirrel girl vs thanos... god damn today isn't a good day for me.

[Rik]

Well look how Bruce Timm did it, everyone and there mom got a good shot in a supes...i dont think ive ever seen him job so badly before. Also where the hell is this theory fighter thing coming from...Hal beats John 10/10 no debate, unless guys want to argue with the writers or something.

Anyways MM does have incredibly strength and speed but it seems Diana is till above him even, id say MM is possibly around 4th or 5th on the team(next to supes, jordan, diana and barry). Oh and who cares of its PC supes, its the way he should be written anyways.

[The_Dragon]

Hal Jordan should never have been replaced as the Green Lantern. No matter how awesome his successors are, (John Stewart and Kyle Rayner are good characters) they can never really be Green Lantern for many people. It would be as if someone other than Bruce Wayne or Kal-El became Batman/Superman. The original character is such a classic, and so damn cool, that the replacement will always have to contend with the shadow of his predecessor, thereby lessening his stature.

The only time this did not occur was when Wally replaced Barry as the Flash, and that was more a changing of the guard than an outright replacement, since Wally had already established himself as Barrys eventual successor before the change took place.

Oh, and this movie is likely going to be garbage.

[DS]

Well look how Bruce Timm did it, everyone and there mom got a good shot in a supes...i dont think ive ever seen him job so badly before.


Yeah, because Supes kicking Darkseids ass in episode two of JL season 2 is complete jobbing. That nigga jobbed harder when Batman verbally raped him in episode 1.


Hal Jordan should never have been replaced as the Green Lantern. No matter how awesome his successors are, (John Stewart and Kyle Rayner are good characters) they can never really be Green Lantern for many people.


The thing you're forgetting is that MOST of those people are the ones that watched JL/JLU only. Thus, they're used to seeing John Stewart there as the seventh League member.

[Rik]

And thats exactly the whole point i was making this entire time, the change wasnt needed and it was pointless, but even if they did have to replace Jordan at least let it be Kyle and not the crappy John. The other point i was making is that the leauge is supposed to represent the best of the best, John isnt the most powerful lantern...his inclusion was based soley off his skin color and thats it. It conflicts with the entire premise of the leauge, otherwise why not include robin instead of bruce, or kara instead of supes or something.

Oh and superman did job big time, JLU Amazo reminded me of how Superman should have been the entire series.

[DS]

It conflicts with the entire premise of the leauge, otherwise why not include robin instead of bruce, or kara instead of supes or something.

No, because those two(Robin and Kara) are currently in the Teen Titans.

Oh and superman did job big time, JLU Amazo reminded me of how SUperman should have been the entire series.

Yeah, because Superman can mimic other metahuman's powers, right? Dude, seriously......less posting, more reading.

Superman hardly jobbed.

[Rik]

Supes can fly hundreds of times past the speed of light, he traversed the enitre span of the unverise in a instant. He flew so fast he shattered the walls between time and space, he threw an entire galaxy worth of planets as a boy accross the universe effortlessly, he rocks planets just by the impact of his first. His Heat vision cancelled a big bang like explosion, he can cut a planet in two with a punch...and it goes on. So yeah he was jobbing big time, every comic fan considers it a low showing dude..its not up for debate he was at his weakest on the show. The superfriends superman was more powerful lol.

[The_Dragon]

I'm commenting on the overall scheme of what they did with Green Lantern, not on the movie specifically. People who loved Hal Jordan will always view just about any replacement, no matter how cool, as inherently lame since it's not Hal. DC never pulled away from the specter of Hal Jordan as the original GL, and that's why they have currently made a return to his character.

As for Superman, the only time he really jobbed was in JL when he fought Wonder Woman, who he would have trashed. In JLU, he was portrayed correctly. Reference "For The Man Who Has Everything", the fights he has with Darkseid, and random scenes like him lifting a gigantic carrier out of the ocean while J'onn is lifting a tugboat.

[DS]

Supes can fly hundreds of times past the speed of light, he traversed the enitre span of the unverise in a instant. He flew so fast he shattered the walls between time and space, he threw an entire galaxy worth of planets as a boy accross the universe effortlessly, he rocks planets just by the impact of his first. His Heat vision cancelled a big bang like explosion, he can cut a planet in two with a punch...and it goes on. So yeah he was jobbing big time, every comic fan considers it a low showing dude..its not up for debate he was at his weakest on the show. The superfriends superman was more powerful lol.

Stop trolling, please.

[Rik]

Considering his showings in the comics, id say the cartoon was more accruate for someone like ironman then for someone like superman.

[EvilSamurai]

About scripts, this is a longshot but does anyone have The Dark Knight script?

[DS]

Considering his showings in the comics, id say the cartoon was more accruate for someone like ironman then for someone like superman.

Wow, now you're treading into Dumbsville. Seriously. You can't be this dense.

[goodm0urning]

Hal Jordan should never have been replaced as the Green Lantern. No matter how awesome his successors are, (John Stewart and Kyle Rayner are good characters) they can never really be Green Lantern for many people. It would be as if someone other than Bruce Wayne or Kal-El became Batman/Superman. The original character is such a classic, and so damn cool, that the replacement will always have to contend with the shadow of his predecessor, thereby lessening his stature. Well, it's a little different with GL, because part of the nature of being a GL is that you're part of a team. Was it a little stupid to start introducing other human GLs? I'd say so. If there are only a few GLs per sector in the universe, it seems unlikely to me that all of the best ones happen to be of the same species from the same planet. That's just racist.

The only time this did not occur was when Wally replaced Barry as the Flash, and that was more a changing of the guard than an outright replacement, since Wally had already established himself as Barrys eventual successor before the change took place. That's one of the few times that such a contrivance actually worked. Just about the only thing I liked about the Crisis is that the Flash changeover was dealt with in a really clever way. It was a nice send-off for Barry.

Oh, and this movie is likely going to be garbage.Yup.

[Embryo]

Actually considering how powerful Superman is in the comics he was pretty weak in the cartoon. Then again, I guess he would have to be raped considerably seeing as how he could easily handle most episodes in a matter of minutes. He could literally solo just about every situation the team had heh.

[goodm0urning]

Actually considering how powerful Superman is in the comics he was pretty weak in the cartoon. Then again, I guess he would have to be raped considerably seeing as how he could easily handle most episodes in a matter of minutes. He could literally solo just about every situation the team had heh.Bruce Timm has gone on record several times admitting that he didn't realize they nerfed Supes in the first season of JL, so they made a conscious effort to show his strength a bit more in JLU.

Superman: TAS, on the other hand, was in keeping with the Byrne revision, which was still dominant at the time the show was conceived. Superman got knocked around in the show because he could get knocked around in the comics. It didn't seem especially super, but they wanted the show to be consistent for the readers. For the same reason, in the Green Lantern episode, they decided to use Kyle, who was being touted as the new main GL at the time. They gave him a very Hal-like origin, though, so it was just a matter of changing him from a test pilot to a freelance artist.

[Zephyranthes]

Stop trolling, please.

That guy is an idiot. I just told him a story where Martian Manhunter "doesn't hold back" destroys Superman (and the rest of the league) and he still asked for proof. Someone else told him about how John became the caretaker of Mosaic and he still asked how that's an example of John's ability. And there was the cover of the Neal Adams-era GL with John holding a busted Hal. Then the idiot started bringing Pre-Crisis Superman into the discussion, even though we were talking about Superman. It's hopeless. You can't reason with a guy who doesn't read.

[Rik]

Seeing as how I havn't seen John do anything close to what Jordan or Kyle has done in there career I dont think im to out of line. Anyways though it doesnt matter, I have the comics and pretty much the entire comic community on my side so believe what u want. Just read a lantern comic and you'll see yourself, hey ask any comic geek and you'll see that im right.

[RockBogart]

Seeing as how I havn't seen John do anything close to what Jordan or Kyle has done in there career I dont think im to out of line. Anyways though it doesnt matter, I have the comics and pretty much the entire comic community on my side so believe what u want. Just read a lantern comic and you'll see yourself, hey ask any comic geek and you'll see that im right.

"the entire comic community".......wow. Thank you for proving our point.

[Rik]

Sorry ill rephrase that, the entire comic commuinity that actually reads and keeps up with the comics i mean, basically fans I guess.

[DS]

Sorry ill rephrase that, the entire comic commuinity that actually reads and keeps up with the comics i mean, basically fans I guess.

Yeah, because we're all newbies to comic books, right? Good assumption. Most of the time, you have to read the entire wiki in order to get an idea of something. Reading Hal's name 100 times doesn't prove anything.

[maxx]

wtf, we're still on this shit? jesus..rik give up..you've been at this like all holiday weekend. stubborn fool.

just admit you dont know shit about johns. dc has him mentally above kyle. also due to his archtecture his stuff is more solid, its very thought out structure wise..most likely making more stronger than compared to other lanterns.

[goodm0urning]

DC cracks me up. Kyle's stuff is really stupidly elaborate because he's an artist. John's stuff is really solid and structurally sound because he's an architect. I guess if Edvard Munch were a Green Lantern, his stuff would all scream.

[Akutabi Gamma]

....So is Green Arrow gonna be in this?

[nameingway]

snip hal is the best snip

sodam yat would probably own him for free. superman+power ring > highball

edit: rik, man, just quit acting like pre-crisis supes is current and it's ok to use him to back your supes arguments. it's not. i'm just taking a while guess here, but does "the entire comic community that keeps up with the comics" agree that talking about PC supes as the current supes is acceptable? if so, i must be on the bizarro world.

i kind of feel like a fucking idiot for even reading your posts at this point dude. next time i reply to one of his posts would someone let me know so i can delete it? thx.

[Septimus Prime]

Rik rolled.

[goodm0urning]

edit: rik, man, just quit acting like pre-crisis supes is current and it's ok to use him to back your supes arguments. it's not. i'm just taking a while guess here, but does "the entire comic community that keeps up with the comics" agree that talking about PC supes as the current supes is acceptable? if so, i must be on the bizarro world.In the movie, all bets are off. They are not at all obligated to stay current with the comics, and the public at large still thinks of Superman as the indestructible guy who can do anything.

[Rik]

Thats exactly my point, the silver age powerset is what really made Superman "Super". He is known for being a guy with all kind of Godly feats, it might not be what Superman is currently in the comics but in the mind of a lot of fans it should be. Even though supes was depowered in his current comic iteration he still remains vastly more powerful then any animated depiction. Regardless of what a lot of people on here think a lot of comic fans do consider the JL/JLu series a low showing for superman and a lot of other DC characters in general. Im not saying the animation was terible or that the show was even that bad, but IMO i was never really impressed with the display of power just because im to used to all the crazy comic feats.

Now on the topic of the green lantern, I will always see the green lantern as Hal Jordan no matter what the circumstances are. At best the only other replament I could see is someone like Kyle, but even then I still consider Jordan the only"True Green Lantern". While im on it that really brings me to the other point about this whole issue. The premise of the JL was to unite the most "powerful" superheroes into a single team. John isnt considered a top tier....in fact I could give you a lot of other characters who are equally as powerful or even more so then him who have better name reconition. So then why is he on the team....well as Bruce Timm said because they wanted"Diversity". Therefore, I cant respect a inclusion that was based on race.

[goodm0urning]

The point is that WB is likely going to want to tailor the movie in a way that shoots for the lowest common denominator--in other words, the Superman that the majority of people will be familiar with (generally pre-Crisis), the Green Lantern that the majority of people will be familiar with (John, easily), and so forth.

There will most certainly be a subset of the audience who disagrees with the choices, just like with any comic book movie, but WB is going to worry first and foremost about how to get the most money out of their movie--and that means catering to casual audiences. That's how it works.

[Rik]

Yeah and I agree with that as well, but I dont really see John being the msot reconized Lantern. I guess we'll have to wait and see what the studio does, but I personally think they will be going with Jordan. Besides that, they did say they where going with the original 7 members so i think that kind of confirms jordan will be in the film. Oh and the JL/JLU cartoons where only around for a couple of years, the original JL comics have been around for decades so im getting the impression the comic community has the bigger draw.

[DS]

You know what's funny? Rik is 21 and he's talking like some sort of 45 year old virgin living in his mom's basement. Seriously, the days of being a purist are done. And even then, Pre-Crisis Supes was a jumbled up mess. They got rid of him for a reason with Crisis On Infinite Earths.

And John Stewart IS the most recognizable GL. He has toys, guest stars in a shit-ton of JL-related comics, and was the main GL in JL/JLU(which MANY have watched). So yeah, he has a lot of fans.

EDIT - Fuck it. I hope they pick G'Nort as GL for the movie so they can piss you off.

[Rik]

Nah they won't, there going to show Supes at his PC powerset and get a guy to play Jordan. LMAO at the "John Stewart IS the most recognizable GL" bit though, funny stuff man.

[DS]

LMAO at the "John Stewart IS the most recognizable GL" bit though, funny stuff man.

Yeah, because you forget that comic book readers are outnumbered a billion to 1, right?

[Rik]

:rofl: r u for real :wow:

[DS]

:rofl: r u for real :wow:

No, your stupidity must be a result of boredom, but my post is as real as it gets.

[The_Dragon]

I will agree with the criticism behind the JL animated series cast choices, or, to be more precise, the logic behind them. Bruce Timms reasoning behind adding John Stewart instead of Hal Jordan was as flawed as his reasoning for adding Hawkgirl instead of Hawkman. Choose characters based on their strengths and stories, not on political cowardice.

[Rik]

Yeah exactly, I just think cast changes should be done for the right reason you know.

[The_Dragon]

John Stuart worked out well in Justice League, though. He was a solid character who contributed to the story and episodes well. Hawkgirl, on the other hand, failed to deliver the same excellence.

[DS]

Hawkgirl, on the other hand, failed to deliver the same excellence.

Hawkgirl was already tied into the universe even before JL/JLU happened. Also, without her, you couldn't have the oh-so-sweet Starcrossed season finale. So yeah......

[Rik]

Men, that season finale didnt feel right. They should have hooked John with vixen from the start and paired Hawkgirl with Hawkman. The romance was like two puzzle pieces that didnt fit, no matter how badly Bruce tried to sell it. I actually tuned out during any exchange between them, the romance was so out of place.

[The_Dragon]

Starcrossed was a great episode, however, there are many other storylines or episodes they could have done without her that would have been equally as impressive. Overall, I didn't like Hawkgirl in the series, she was a very dull character that didn't have nearly the same charisma as all the other members of the league, and had by far the worst character interaction with the others as well.

I think the show would have been better if they had used Hawkman instead, or simply not had her on the series. Again, the justification for using her on the series was due to political concerns, and unlike John Stewart, I don't consider her performance on the show to have justified the decision in retrospect.

[Rik]

Well they did consider Black Canary for awhile, although I think powergirl would have been a great choice if Timm really wanted a scond female on the cast. I dont know though, I see John as "the other guy" you know. Like i know there are people who like him but I dont really see him ever being the"poster boy" of the lanterns or as the lanterns"main dude". IMO he kind of works better as a supporting character for someone like Hal or Kyle, he just doesnt seem cool or powerful enough to really have a spotlight on him.

[The_Dragon]

He may not have the star potential that Hal Jordan and Kyle Rayner possess, but in a show like Justice League that was not necessary, and he fulfilled his assigned role quite well on a team based program. Furthermore, his interaction with the other characters, particularly the Flash, was very well done.

[Zephyranthes]

We need some Rugal 3:16 power right about now. He'd make this thread complete.

[maxx]

I will agree with the criticism behind the JL animated series cast choices, or, to be more precise, the logic behind them. Bruce Timms reasoning behind adding John Stewart instead of Hal Jordan was as flawed as his reasoning for adding Hawkgirl instead of Hawkman. Choose characters based on their strengths and stories, not on political cowardice.

WTF?

WTF?!

POLITICAL COWARDICE?!

you have to be fucking kidding me. Man do you guys even understand tv, fuck ya they wanna make it a bit unish. why? Money mofo..you can't aim for 100% purist in a tv market where blacks make up 13% of the country. And hispanics make up a far bigger percent..shit i'm amazed they didn't pull out a hispanic superhero. If you wanna get a good amount of viewers you wanna target certain demographics..you want kids...you get a kids hero..you want teens you get a teen hero...you want blacks..you get a black hero.

its tv basics.

Ya'all are on some serious bullshit. stop sippin that hatorade.

John Stewart is a strong hero. yes he was picked for the demographic..but so fucking what. its not like they picked some bullshit hero and pretended he was good. he was a well know hero in dc to begin with. You all act like they resurrected jason todd and made him out to be dick grayson.

[The_Dragon]

I have no issues with John Stewart, as I made clear in my posts. The fact they chose him because of his racial identity rather than his pros as a character is weak, and I do consider it political cowardice to choose a character on nothing more than that bias. It shouldn't matter, characters should be selected based on how cool/interesting they are, and that's it.

[maxx]

I have no issues with John Stewart, as I made clear in my posts. The fact they chose him because of his racial identity rather than his pros as a character is weak, and I do consider it political cowardice to choose a character on nothing more than that bias. It shouldn't matter, characters should be selected based on how cool/interesting they are, and that's it.

it was a combo of color and how he was. he's not an interesting character he is more complex than hal honestly. that doesn't make him better in the long run but far more interesting in my opinion. but if you all keep saying cowardice when its about numbers...how is that cowardice..it aiignt like the ncaap were barging at their door for a black character. also look at bruce timms other shows...not much diversity in the pack.

now i discovered static around when i was 16/17...and i really dug the character. why? because it was someone i can relate to..i can't relate to batman..he's a rich white guy..can't relate to superman..alien in white guy form. can only sorta relate to spidey..but i could hell more relate to static than them all.

now think of that in cartoon terms..your more likely gonna watch a character if you find him interesting fun or relateable. Now think of how many more watchers you just got cause you put in a character for those people.

thats cowardice?

man don't try and run a media company....cause you will get that shit all day. real talk.

[The_Dragon]

I really don't understand relating to any character based on their race, so I lose you on that part. I do think it's cowardly to back off the decision you would have made due to political/marketing concerns, which Timm implied when he was speaking about the choice to go with Stewart instead of Jordan.

[maxx]

I really don't understand relating to any character based on their race, so I lose you on that part. I do think it's cowardly to back off the decision you would have made due to political/marketing concerns, which Timm implied when he was speaking about the choice to go with Stewart instead of Jordan.

see you changed your wording..before it was just political concerns now its marketing...see theirs a difference.

i dont feel its really an issue to bitch about. hal has been in so many series and kyles gotten his shine in superman. I honestly can't see more fans running to watch the show just cuz kyle or hal are their..your gonna get those same people to be watching it for bats and supes..but your more likely to get more asses for john stewart. your hitting up a different demographic.

[The_Dragon]

I understand why they chose to do what they did, however, I think it was a mistake and they should have chosen John, if that was their real choice, because of his strengths as a character, and nothing more. As I have said, I have absolutely no issue with John in JL/JLU, aside from the fact he occassionally caused the very dull Hawkgirl to have more screen time. I just don't like the reasoning given by the creators as to why he was chosen over Hal, as I disagree with thinking along those lines.

Getting back to the topic at hand, I again do not see how this movie is going to be good at all. They have almost utterly and completely failed to deliver a passable movie, with the exception of Batman Begins, on just a sole hero, and I find it unlikely they'll be able to correctly portray the characters as a team at all.

[Septimus Prime]

I thought Hal was dead at the time.

[goodm0urning]

And even then, Pre-Crisis Supes was a jumbled up mess. They got rid of him for a reason with Crisis On Infinite Earths.DC took a mess and made an even bigger mess in the attempt to clean it up. Not what I would say wise.

I hate to sound like a fanboy geek, but mess or not, pre-Crisis Supes is a lot more worthy of his name than the impostor currently wearing the suit in the comics. They could have cleaned up some of the more notable contradictions in his history and maybe capped his power to not show such a blatant disregard for the laws of physics (e.g. blowing out a star like a candle), and still maintained the things that characterized him most strongly for the better part of the character's existence. Instead, they hired an asshole with no grasp on what makes the character special, who turned Superman into just another spandex-clad mutant.

The world at large knows Superman as the strange visitor from another planet with godlike powers who came to save humanity. They'd probably agree with me when I say that I'd rather see him on the screen than the nerfed milquetoast of the post-Crisis comics.

And Hal isn't going to happen. I am genuinely sorry to say that. Aside from the comics themselves, Hal has not made a big splash in any popular medium--at least, not nearly to the extent that John has. Just let it go. There is a 99.999% chance that the big screen Green Lantern is going to be John Stewart.

[Overworld]

For whatever reason John was chosen, and I do agree that it was more a PC move than anything to have a minority character, I did find I enjoyed his contribution to the show a great amount.

I have not read comics as long as many people who post in this section, so my viewpoint may be somewhat closer to people who this movie is looking at who aren't in the "know" so to speak about the characters.

I am intimately aware of all the prominent lanterns, and their backstories, but I have not personally leafed through their comic adventures. (Just read up on the histories to be caught up for the stuff I do read now.)

So with that caveat, my opinion is that John, as presented in the show, is a more interesting character than I've personally seen of Hal Jordan. Hal, often times to me, seems to be on this good guy autopilot, that saps a lot of his personality. The other Lanterns, because of the fact they aren't "the lantern" seem to get more freedom to have more personality in my opinion. This could be just the medium at which I found them, because personally I found John to be rather boring in the comics I have read as well, and while I realize it's a completely different thing almost, I do like Alan Scott more than Hal. (Before the flames come I realize there is a difference in the Green Lantern-ness.)

So just as someone who casually reads comics, and has come to it more recently I think people in my position would be more apt to be familiar with John, than we would Hal. I mean heck, when I was growing up Hal had gone all Parallax, then died, then was the Spectre for a bit, and Kyle was GL, and this is stuff I've learned after that time mostly, if you asked me in the mid-nineties who Green Lantern was, I could certainly tell you, but if you asked me who Hal Jordan was, I'd probably scratch my head. (I'd be able to tell you who Bruce Wayne, Clark Kent, and the bigger names of course. Also for reference in 1995 I'd be 9 years old.) So I don't have the same connection as people who may have begun reading earlier to Hal, and I think a vast majority of the public who will see the movie, won't either.

Those who are like me, who started with later stories and watched the television show would more than likely see John as being the Lantern for the role, however improperly we came to that decision, because of the JLU show.

[Rik]

Well I get what you guys are saying, I hope the screen adapation isn't going to use John but I guess we won't know untill the roster is released. My opinion of John is that I think he is better served as a supporting character to someone like Jordan and Kyle. I just don't see him as "The Green Lantern" to be perfectly honest. I don't know what it is about his character that doesn't have that "Star" potential, but for whatever reason it kind of feels like a intrusion to have him on the main roster. In fact John Stewart reminds me a lot of Alex Glick's guest star appearance in the South Park episode "Red Man's Greed" in that he's just some random dude who showed up out of no where and attempts to casually blend in as one of the mains.

Now I am doubting the powerset for Supes in the movie will be based off his PC powerset, but Im hoping he isnt as nerfed as he was in the post comics and especially in JL/JLU.

[Septimus Prime]

Watch it be Brad Garrett as Kilowog.

Watch.

[The_Dragon]

No, they'll use that red skinned chick that was Kyles girlfriend for a bit, that way they have more females. You know it's going to happen.

[Rik]

I wouldn't put it past them, but who knows what other crazy things they will change. Will superman be called "superperson" and wonderwoman called"wonderwomyn" to not seem sexist.

[ChairHome]

Casting rumors (http://www.aintitcool.com/node/34438)

Is Adam Brody, who played comic book geek Seth Cohen on “The O.C.” for four seasons, in line to play a major DC Comics superhero?

"Mad Max" mastermind George Miller has been in Los Angeles since Saturday, auditioning loads of hot young actors for parts in “Justice League of America.” A key excerpt from Monday morning’s Hollywood Reporter:

On the roll call are Adam Brody (Fox's "The O.C."), Joseph Cross ("Running With Scissors"), D.J. Cotrona ("Windfall"), Mary Elizabeth Winstead ("Grindhouse"), Michael Angarano ("Sky High"), Teresa Palmer ("Wolf Creek"), Max Thieriot ("Jumper") and rapper Common.

The cast of NBC's "Friday Night Lights" is well-represented as well, with Minka Kelly, Adrianne Palicki and Scott Porter also among those testing for parts. No costumes are involved in the tests, which are being taped as actors read script pages.

For those curious, Palicki, who plays Tyra on "Lights," is 5’11”. Winstead is 5’8”

Common is reading for John Stewart? Hmm....

[Embryo]

Well it will be shame of John is in the movie, but Im crossing my fingers and hoping the studio changes there mind. Interesting read though, the casting seems decent thus far.

[goodm0urning]

I want this movie to fade into nothingness in the worst way, but it gets more real everyday. WB is pushing this turd out, come hell or high water.

[RockBogart]

Shit, Common being John Stewart would be worth seeing. Him and Mos Def are the only rapper/actors who don't suck. A team flick can be pulled off well but its gotta be a lengthy movie. 2 hours wont do it......justice.

[maxx]

Shit, Common being John Stewart would be worth seeing. Him and Mos Def are the only rapper/actors who don't suck. A team flick can be pulled off well but its gotta be a lengthy movie. 2 hours wont do it......justice.

dont suck?

will smith mr.july 4th

[RockBogart]

dont suck?

will smith mr.july 4th

He doesn't count. Hasn't had a decent album in forever, the rapper label dropped a long time ago.

[goodm0urning]

Shit, Common being John Stewart would be worth seeing. Him and Mos Def are the only rapper/actors who don't suck. A team flick can be pulled off well but its gotta be a lengthy movie. 2 hours wont do it......justice.Common looks a little young, though. Most of these actors look too young, actually.

[Embryo]

Well the movie is a automatic fail since John is in it, oh well so much for a decent JL movie.....

[4Play]

Well the movie is a automatic fail since John is in it, oh well so much for a decent JL movie.....

God damn crawl back to the womb, you're not ready for this world yet.


Personally I wouldn't care if it's John or Hal. I like both, as long as a Green Lantern is in the movie then it's all good.

[RockBogart]

Common looks a little young, though. Most of these actors look too young, actually.

http://cache.umusic.com/images/local/500/ce0149f5-59ad-4f9d-b5fc-62dd65c63dd5.jpg

I think he looks old enough.

[maxx]

He doesn't count. Hasn't had a decent album in forever, the rapper label dropped a long time ago.

wtf define rapper label? dude's albums are always topping charts in singles. man does not have a flop in albums. Just cuz he changed his style and u dont like it dont mean he's not a rapper.

[ChairHome]

More casting hubbub (http://www.aintitcool.com/node/34547).

Brandon Routh won't be Superman and Christian Bale won't be Batman in this movie :-/

Updated the original post with some more script leak rumors. Which Flash is in the movie?
Barry Allen. And he's married to Iris. Which begs the question, what's going on? The initial script leak info said that he was the youngest, but he's married. I guess that's possible, if the other Leaguers are older.

[Adam Warlock]

wtf define rapper label? dude's albums are always topping charts in singles. man does not have a flop in albums. Just cuz he changed his style and u dont like it dont mean he's not a rapper.

Rapper label = one who raps. Will smith hasn't had an album in forever. he's an actor.

[goodm0urning]

Latest info.

Barry and Wally are both in it. Doesn't bode well for Barry.

I am going to answer a few questions that have been sent to me via email or by the IESB mail system or posted on these boards.

Do I have a cast list?

No

Is there a cast list?

Not an official list

Do I have an un-official list?

Partial

Can I talk about?

No, not yet

Why?

Because I can lose friendships over it.

Do I have the final script?

Very close to it, Mr. E tells me that to expect a complete script review very, very soon.

Will IESB post the script review?

Don’t know, we have been warned by WB not to review The Dark Knight or any of their films that are in production. The script reviews that we do on WB properties have not been officially green lit as been the case with the Clash of the Titans script review a few months back.

If there is no publicist attached to JLA by the time Mr. E delivers a script review we are good to go. If a publicist has been assigned we are screwed and risk getting blacklisted by the studio if we post such review.


Is Teresa Palmer Wonder Woman?

I was told as of 5 days ago that MEW was the leading contender but things do change.

Is Brandon Routh part of JLA?

Nope, he told me during the Scream Awards that he was never approached plus he also told me that the other comic book project, Dylan Dog, is not green lit either, just in case you guys care.

Is Chris Nolan pissed off about JLA and not going to do Batman 3?

Not only is Chris Nolan pissed off but also producers Greg Silverman and Charles Roven, they have been pissed for months about the whole Talia / Ra‘s Al Ghul/ storyline.

JLA was written with Christian Bale and Brandon Routh in mind but once the Nolan camp made it clear that they wanted nothing to do with an ensemble film at this time WB had no other choice but realize that they were going to have to recast Batman. So their reasoning was if they need to recast Bats then they will also recast Supes.


Like I have said in the past, Jeff Robinov and Dan Lin are not a fans of Superman Returns and there was initial thought that if a Bale/Routh Justice League film was done it would help re-invigorate the Superman Franchise and set up a return of a Bryan Singer directed The Man of Steel.

There was interest from the WB people to use Bryan Singer since he signed his very lucrative deal to direct the sequel. If he gets fired from TMOS, WB will have to pay him a lot of money. If he quits from the TMOS then they don’t have to pay him squat.

Something else to think about, does WB really want to piss off Bryan Singer considering that he has been asked to testify in the Superman/Siegel/WB lawsuit? I think not.


So with Bale/Nolan out and knowing that you were going to use a new Bats in JLA that is where Tom Welling came in, for a better part of the last 4-5 years there has been talks at WB about doing a Smallville film but with Bryan Singer casting Routh for Superman Returns that made the possibility a long shot. But with Justice League on the table the idea came back of getting Tom to play Supes on the big screen.

Is Tom Welling going to play Superman in Justice League in JLA?

Emi has reasons to believe that he is but I do not, something happen, not sure what but someone/something threw a wrench in the process of getting Welling in JLA.

Does that answer most of it?

In other words, whatever happens, we can rule out a third Nolan/Bale Batman. Justice League had better shit fucking gold into our laps, because it definitely ruined the promising new Bat-franchise that was so long in coming.

EDIT:

Okay, upon closer examination, it appears that Nolan and Bale are obligated by contract to do a third Batman. This doesn't necessarily mean everything is gold shit and rainbows again, since we all saw what happens when a director has lost interest in the material when Spider-Man 3 came out.

[ChairHome]

Major Spoilers (with Invisotext) for the movie (http://www.aintitcool.com/node/34583). (could just be rumors though)

Sounds like they're trying to be a bit faithful to fans here.

[RockBogart]

People getting pissed over dumbshit. Nolan should just do his Batman films the way he wants and be content.