REfly infinite/setups

['SupêrioR'-TêCH]

Not surprised there's no topics about this with IM, Refly is word up-hard-as hell. So to all combo experts, lets share/make something worth using this crap.

What I got so far..
(corner with any FLY air combo ending with up+fierce or up+roundhouse), [unfly, REFLY, short, strong, up+fierce], repeat brackets

u dont have to input strong, but it makes it easier to combo. u can only do a certain amount of reps before IM starts floating away from the opponent. This combo also lifts them to the top of the screen.

What I know so far..
1. IM's fly (the actual startup) brings him back a little bit so it's hard to continue reps, you can fastfly it fwd, but refly is hard as hell as is...i myself am having trouble, but if anyone is quicker or can demo on a programmable pad, please try...
2. up+fierce = huge hit stun. This means more combo possibilities, meaning more reps. Yet refly is so fast, the only thing i can really input is short.
3. short floats the opponent upward. I'm trying to go for an INF going downward, so i can connect a Proton Canon
4. jab also combos after the up+fierce during refly, but it doesnt float like short. Meaning that if you try another refly rep (refer to #1) ... its hard to cont a combo

What I'm trying to go for..
(non corner, any fly combo ending with up+fierce or up+roundhouse) [unfly,REFLY, airdash d/f+short, up+fierce], *opponent descends to normal inf height* x Proton Canon

if "short" starts to lift the opponent too high, switch to "jab", and interchange when needed.

----------Like I said, i'm not a refly expert yet..so i need people to share what they got or what they could think of to get this going somewhere. Right now it's pretty hard for me to do, but the possibilities are really quite endless if you're quick with the hands. My resources are only my mind and human hands, so anyone with a programmable stick would be alot of help.

[Brooklyn]

i can't help with a programmable stick but i'll go for the refly corner next time i get to play.

[sealhunta]

if it only works in the corner then u might as well just do his fly infinite (that only works in the corner)

i cant remember what the commands are but there are vids on utube

but good shit

['SupêrioR'-TêCH]

that "fly infinite" requires unfly, "refly" doesnt .and it that case, i'd choose an inf that brings my opponent downwards for a reg inf setup. that particular setup should be long gone by now. there's way better things to do with unfly

after some hardcore practice, i've managed to pull it through. u can actually do the combo with the airdash like i predicted and it is a pure INF. but the "refly" motions requires a DOUBLE qcb+short+roundhouse, + a fastfly, + an attack to "combo" after a up+fierce, including positioning (because of IM's little floating while attempting flight mode)... that you have to do in LESS THAN A SECOND....making it too too much work FOR ME (time consuming practice, and actual hand movement). if u can pull it off consistently i give u madd props

i've concluded (for myself) that it's not even worth it... even if it a a pure infinite, just due to the sheer difficulty. BUTTTTTTTT when the concept is used with "assist combos" it's another fckin story. i've made some INF SETUPS that can be used anywhere on screen from ANY clean "normal" hit -----well not true exactly, but I made a nifty one with doom AAA. it aint easy i'm telling u, but i needed an "inf anywhere on screen" with doom and it WILL do wonders once perfected.

[sealhunta]

well maybe i thought i saw something that didnt exist, but it was something like fly, [lk, mp U+HP] repeat

but yeah, all that stuff you say u have to do, its just too hard and u might as well go for the unfly infinite or hit them down and get a chance to cross up.

i just tried to do it in trianing mode and do fly [ lp, lk, u+hp] as well and i cant get it. so maybe i was seeing things, or maybe they were refyling and doing ur combo the whole time. i dont know, i watched liek 10 ironman vids on utube i couldnt find it

['SupêrioR'-TêCH]

pretty sure ur talking about the unfly inf (unless there's 10 vids on utube with refly combos....nope) that is a semi inf with unfly mode. unfly mode doesnt last the entire round. refly does. it just requires extremeley fast motions. it's doing normal attacks into fly mode, unflying, into fly mode again, to cancel the lag of the normals, to register combos.

it's not too hard if u use the concept of refly towards assist combos. 1hit anywhere with near unlimited restrictions = combo to PC = potential death.

[Brooklyn]

i agree with you the timing requires a lot of work. in 2 months when i graduate ill put that time in.. if im not out being free.

[Phats0]

http://zachd.com/mvc2/matches/Evolution/evo2k7/vegas/semifinals/7b%20Buckethead%20(2W%20MagIMSent)%20vs%20Deus%20( W%20SSCC).wmv end of the match.

[sealhunta]

http://zachd.com/mvc2/matches/Evolution/evo2k7/vegas/semifinals/7b%20Buckethead%20(2W%20MagIMSent)%20vs%20Deus%20( W%20SSCC).wmv end of the match.

nothing happens at the end of the match, could u be more specific?

and this player does airdash/df, lk, D+HP, s.hk alot, but if he did airdash/df lk, U+HK he could go straight into the infinite

[Phats0]

nothing happens at the end of the match, could u be more specific?

and this player does airdash/df, lk, D+HP, s.hk alot, but if he did airdash/df lk, U+HK he could go straight into the infinite

in the last match of the vid, you can see his iron man do the refly combo. It's in the end when it's iron man vs storm. It starts with the first up+hp he connects. it goes, up+hp, a/d up, lp, lp, up+hp, fly, lk, mp, up+hp, unfly xx fly xx lk, mp, up+hp

and no he couldn't do ad/df lk, up+hk while the opponent is crouching. there's too many frames in the up+hk and he's too close to the ground so it would just come out as a whiff.

[sealhunta]

in the last match of the vid, you can see his iron man do the refly combo. It's in the end when it's iron man vs storm. It starts with the first up+hp he connects. it goes, up+hp, a/d up, lp, lp, up+hp, fly, lk, mp, up+hp, unfly xx fly xx lk, mp, up+hp

and no he couldn't do ad/df lk, up+hk while the opponent is crouching. there's too many frames in the up+hk and he's too close to the ground so it would just come out as a whiff.

okay so something like this would be possible?
launch, etc. fly, lk U+HP, unfly xx fly, lk, U+HP unibeam.

and also, would doing [fly, d+hk, fly]
be easier than doing [fly, unfly, fly] it would save ur like a few milisecounds

[J360]

ok im glad someone finally brought up this topic, i wasn't gonna talk about it unless people posted about it so here it goes, REFLYS ARE HELLA HELPFUL. I use refly every chance i get and reflys with IM help build more damage when unfly is unavailable. Ill explain some of the refly options.

Mid Screen setups:

To me the easiest setups for sure fire reps of refly would be launch s.lk,s.rh, adu xx s.lk,s.lk,s.rh, fly s.lp,s.mp,up+fierce, refly repeat. Midscreen is hard to get more then 2 reps of refly so milk every hit you can each refly.

Corner Setup:
Pretty much the same thing as the midscreen setup but here you can start refly whereever you want and once you reach the top of the screen you can do s.lp,s.mp, up+fierce until spinout. Ill put up a match vid of it or something soon i get the corner set up alot and refly infinite in the corner is fairly easy once you get used to refllying.

Also i forgot to mention that everytime you refly instead of pressing up in order to attack right after refly, master moving forward in the air while doing it. This way in the corner you can stay on the character, people have witnessed me do it till spin out in china town.

Ps:theres resets off of refly too but ill leave it up to yall to figure that out, i can't give away everything =D

['SupêrioR'-TêCH]

Mid Screen setups:

To me the easiest setups for sure fire reps of refly would be launch s.lk,s.rh, adu xx s.lk,s.lk,s.rh, fly s.lp,s.mp,up+fierce, refly repeat. Midscreen is hard to get more then 2 reps of refly so milk every hit you can each refly.

I found out you can input an airdash between each rep. You have to be crazy quick though..like don't even wait for animation of the AD to start. You can tell you're doing it right when you see IM floating towards your opponent during fly mode. With time and practice I'm sure you can bring him down towards normal jump inf setups.

Also I'm sure posting any information with IM won't hurt your game. He got crazy combos and destroy entire teams, we all know...but I think getting the actual "hit" off and not getting hit will determine how effective your IM can be. Honestly I'd rather see an IM breaking down defenses and setting up a good offense, rather than someone knowing all the inf setups in the world and getting hit by dumb shit and never getting a hit off.

[J360]

I found out you can input an airdash between each rep. You have to be crazy quick though..like don't even wait for animation of the AD to start. You can tell you're doing it right when you see IM floating towards your opponent during fly mode. With time and practice I'm sure you can bring him down towards normal jump inf setups.

Also I'm sure posting any information with IM won't hurt your game. He got crazy combos and destroy entire teams, we all know...but I think getting the actual "hit" off and not getting hit will determine how effective your IM can be. Honestly I'd rather see an IM breaking down defenses and setting up a good offense, rather than someone knowing all the inf setups in the world and getting hit by dumb shit and never getting a hit off.

haha i respect that. ill tamper with the air dash in the refly and ill get back to yall on that one. if it works this is truly a good find.

[Mike_Z]

Wouldn't it be easier to do whiff D+RH xx refly, instead of unfly-refly?

Mike Z

[sealhunta]

and also, would doing [fly, d+hk, fly]
be easier than doing [fly, unfly, fly] it would save ur like a few milisecounds

Wouldn't it be easier to do whiff D+RH xx refly, instead of unfly-refly?

Mike Z

also, i noticed even without unfly, when ur not in flight mode u can still do specials, so after an air combo use smart bombs or a well time uni-beam to cover ur ass or start the pressure.

[tech master]

well to "refly" you need to be in fly mode. in fly mode its similar to his normal jump state in which you can't do a HK that follows a HP without hit count resetting. only in sj mode can you cancel the HP immediately with a HK.

[J360]

yup so knee stuff is out of the question but i did try the dash after refly and i got some interesting results, im going to continue working on the dash version and ill get back to yall on it.

[Illan_3rd]

I found out you can input an airdash between each rep. You have to be crazy quick though..like don't even wait for animation of the AD to start. You can tell you're doing it right when you see IM floating towards your opponent during fly mode. With time and practice I'm sure you can bring him down towards normal jump inf setups.

Also I'm sure posting any information with IM won't hurt your game. He got crazy combos and destroy entire teams, we all know...but I think getting the actual "hit" off and not getting hit will determine how effective your IM can be. Honestly I'd rather see an IM breaking down defenses and setting up a good offense, rather than someone knowing all the inf setups in the world and getting hit by dumb shit and never getting a hit off.





hey sup !! im new to srk and ive heard these things about reflys with IM so i decided to check it out!!! so when would u add the dash ?? would it be after u unfly u dash then refly or would u dash right after up+fierce hits and continue to do another rep then refly and rep? or how?? and are there any refly inf. that would lead to his ground inf.??? how many hits can u get tops with the mid-screen refly inf.???

['SupêrioR'-TêCH]

Dashing after unfly to refly - i've never tried it that way, but you bring up a very good point. You may be able to dash d or d/f, quickly cancel into refly, into another combo to get that to gradually bring them down into NORMAL JUMP INF SETUP. Like I said, I've never tried but I strongly advise anyone to try it out. Just remember you only have a slim chance of canceling the AD into reflying+fastflying+attacking to keep the combo going.

Dashing after up+fierce - is impossible because you can't cancel normals into dashes DURING fly mode (alah...xmen vs streetfighter style)

What I do is as soon as you hit up+fierce, go into the motion of hcb+2kicks (unfly), into another motion of hcb+2kicks(refly), tap 2kicks insanely fast (the airdash), into short or jab (depending on the position of you and your opponent (even faster...almost instantly). You can tell you inputted the AD if IM slowly floats towards your opponent while doing the short/jab.

Are there any refly inf that lead to ground? That's why I started the thread to find out. I don't have the game right now so I can't try myself. I believe with insane amounts of practice and timing someone/anyone could find it. BUT I DID find an normal ground inf setup which works anywhere against anywhom with Doom AAA. It's great if you use an IM/doom team because if you clean-hit you're opponent anywhere, now you can drop them into doom+refly inf setup, without needing unfly mode.

How many hits can you get midscreen? Without the dash, i've gotten a max of 2-3. With the dash, as many as you can get until the dude dizzys out.

Welcome to the boards.

[Illan_3rd]

thanks for the welcome!! so u say 2 -3 reps max or 2 -3 hits?? and when u said earlier fly into jab, jab, up +fierce ?? doesnt that just push them away more? so y not just do jab, up+fierce?? any of u guys here know a2g with IM no assist?? wats dooms refly inf?? and arent isnt te dash two punches?? u messed up there!! when u refly dash would u recommend going towards them or Up+forward to them??

[J360]

Here is a vid i Made of the corner Refly infinite
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMOREXLAg3E

Thats the basic setup into refly till spin out, if you have any questions post up here and ill be happy to clarify things.

[sealhunta]

jesus christ

[KiLLaKeLLy]

good shit josh, re-fly is hella hard to master. I have been working on re-fly for a while now, its still hard and i cant do it that much. Best in mid-screen ive gotten is like 4 reps, in the corner like 5-6 and those are on rare occasions. let me know how it goes with that dashing method, i am hella interested in that. dont think i will be able to get that down anytime soon, but if it proves to be worth doing i will put more effort into it.

[Illan_3rd]

Here is a vid i Made of the corner Refly infinite
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMOREXLAg3E

Thats the basic setup into refly till spin out, if you have any questions post up here and ill be happy to clarify things.



damn that looks insanely fast!!! how do u do that?? do u unfly as soon as u hit up+fierce or as soon as u see up+fierce connect?? and would u recommend doing hcb + 2 kicks twice or 2 complete cirlces to unflyand fly again??? or how do u do it?

[Deth-Scyanyde]

HOLY WTF!! Damn dude...I was actually messing with that prior to seeing the vid yesterday and I can only get off one rep 'on pad' and then proceed to screw up...I'll stick with my unfly's and resets for the time being...

[KiLLaKeLLy]

yo, for the ones having trouble with refly try this out and see if it helps. As i was practicing it today i though i would try to do the unfly/fly part by doing double backwards dragon punches, like you would do sakura's a-groove in cvs2, but backwards. That has instantly upped my average on the amount of successful reflys i can get off. sadly as it is for me in cvs2 i can only get it off in one direction really well. But its better than nothing. Give it a shot u got nothing to lose really, but lets hear how it goes from anyone that tries it out that way. lata

[tech master]

sadly as it is for me in cvs2 i can only get it off in one direction really well.

buahaha, i can only super 30% of the time from 1p side.

double hadouken > me

[Brooklyn]

double hadouken is the only reason i suck at sf. canceling is cool but damn linking something lol

[Illan_3rd]

so try doing 2 half circle backwards right?? or is there a complete circle involved in there?

[tech master]

eh? i do quarter circles. i couldnt imagine full circles being easier

['SupêrioR'-TêCH]

hehe, hate to break it down to everyone...but I think there will be no easy way of doing refly combos. Everything is timing, speed, precision with motions/buttons, PRACTICE, and a shit load of "wrist durability".

[KiLLaKeLLy]

i still say :bdp:, :2k:, :bdp:, :2k: works great and makes refly a hell of a lot easier. ive gotten up to 8 reps in the corner. i couldnt do it doing double hadouken motions, half circles, nothing. reverse dp motions works wonders for me, my only problem with it outside of only being good on one side is that i have to get used to moving forward after it so i can get more reps mid-screen.

[Illan_3rd]

so would u unfly right as soon as u hit up fierce or as soon as u see up fierce connect then unfly and refly??

[Illan_3rd]

and is it possible to do a refly inf. with only fierces??

[sealhunta]

is it possible to trow in a unibeam and then do f.lk f.u+HP and then refly every 2 or 3 reps to give u more time

[Illan_3rd]

is it possible to trow in a unibeam and then do f.lk f.u+HP and then refly every 2 or 3 reps to give u more time


i know for sure that would work on heavy characters like sentinel but i think after the unibeam u would have to use jab cuz its quicker then f.lk... but i dont know if f.lk after the unibeam would connect on any other character besides sent./ jugg/ or bh

[sealhunta]

i've done it on cable and magneto and storm for that matter, i just U+HP but i am assuming u can but ironman's body would be far away from the opponent.

originally i was trying to combo two unibeams in the corner but i never got there

[magnus]

I believe Liquid Metal was doing refly with Ironman at B5, just not the infinite portion at the top of the screen. This is the combo that he was doing, and is easier to do and practice:

With opponent in corner, c.lk, c.mp, s.fp xx fly lk, mp, u.fp xx unfly xx fly lk, mp, u.fp xx unfly xx fly...(repeat).

That method goes only to the top of the screen, at which point you will need to switch it up and do the fly lp, mp, u.fp version. I would suggest practicing this method to get the refly down, then start practicing the infinite at the top of the screen.

[sealhunta]

is it possible to fast fly with ironman, or is his fly animation so fast anyways that u dont need fast fly.

[magnus]

is it possible to fast fly with ironman, or is his fly animation so fast anyways that u dont need fast fly.

You can combo from his flight, so fast fly is not necessary. Fast fly only refers to canceling the lag from the flight command, such as tapping any direction with Sentinel after flight. So to answer your question, no, fast fly is not necessary.

[Illan_3rd]

well.... it isnt necessary but u can use it when u first start to learn it a lot faster and better....

[OriginaL_DA]

Here is a vid i Made of the corner Refly infinite
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMOREXLAg3E

Thats the basic setup into refly till spin out, if you have any questions post up here and ill be happy to clarify things.

damn, after a good solid hour and a half of practicing that, i finally got it! lol i can't do THAT many reps yet, but its getting there =]. rhythm is everything.

[Illan_3rd]

damn that refly is hard!! no joke!! i thought it would be easy!! but so far ive only been able to do one rep!!

[Deth-Scyanyde]

Ugh...still one rep on occasion...and I'm using both methods (2xHado/2x DP motions)...this shit is dumb hard!!

[tech master]

you could try only inputting two directions: d, df+2k, d, df+2k.

[Illan_3rd]

Ugh...still one rep on occasion...and I'm using both methods (2xHado/2x DP motions)...this shit is dumb hard!!


same here only one rep.......... how bout if u try the first command half circle back + 2 kicks, then make the second command a dp motion!! thats helped me a lot

[J360]

um i just do qcbx2. I really think theres no easier way to do it than putting in the exact inputs.

[Brooklyn]

i've just been practicing the unflyXXfly motion itself. after 15 mins i still only got 2 reps as my max but this is coming from a guy that never links supers in 3s..

[Illan_3rd]

um i just do qcbx2. I really think theres no easier way to do it than putting in the exact inputs.

isnt that sorta the same thing as i said!! cuz i mean after the up+fierce dont u do a hcb to unfly .... then do the qcb to refly??

[J360]

For those of you trying to do it on sent, here is another short clip i made of refly on sentinel.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=3NKVZTFlGdQ

Once again if anyone has questions feel free to ask, the refly on sent is different cause there are so many different variations/possibilites in the air against him.

[eczangief]

I really think theres no easier way to do it than putting in the exact inputs.

Truth. If you're doing D,DF+KK, it's not that you're doing some kind of shortcut motion that "counts" as a QCB. What's really happening is that you are tightening up your motion to the bare inputs necessary. The Quarter Circle zone on some sticks is a lot smaller than you'd think, because, at least with switch activated sticks, you only have to activate a combination of 2 switches (#1 for down, 1+2 for down-back, 2 for back).

The Half-circle motion is a good way to make sure you hit down, because you hit DF, D. So you've got an extra shot at the key input.

Knowing the limitations of your stick mechanics will give you a different perspective on execution, and help you learn faster.

[Illan_3rd]

Truth. If you're doing D,DF+KK, it's not that you're doing some kind of shortcut motion that "counts" as a QCB. What's really happening is that you are tightening up your motion to the bare inputs necessary. The Quarter Circle zone on some sticks is a lot smaller than you'd think, because, at least with switch activated sticks, you only have to activate a combination of 2 switches (#1 for down, 1+2 for down-back, 2 for back).

The Half-circle motion is a good way to make sure you hit down, because you hit DF, D. So you've got an extra shot at the key input.

Knowing the limitations of your stick mechanics will give you a different perspective on execution, and help you learn faster.



wat exactly do u mean by all this!! can u explain it in easier terms??? lol

[Deth-Scyanyde]

Truth. If you're doing D,DF+KK, it's not that you're doing some kind of shortcut motion that "counts" as a QCB. What's really happening is that you are tightening up your motion to the bare inputs necessary. The Quarter Circle zone on some sticks is a lot smaller than you'd think, because, at least with switch activated sticks, you only have to activate a combination of 2 switches (#1 for down, 1+2 for down-back, 2 for back).

The Half-circle motion is a good way to make sure you hit down, because you hit DF, D. So you've got an extra shot at the key input.

Knowing the limitations of your stick mechanics will give you a different perspective on execution, and help you learn faster.

He's explaining the mechanics ov certain MAS/ARC sticks...basically ones that are 'switch activated'...Ppl won't know what he's talking about unless they have some knowledge about building custom sticks and parts...and I don't even know much about it...

[J360]

anyone come up with any useful/funky refly stuff yet?

[sealhunta]

anyone come up with any useful/funky refly stuff yet?

you're dying to divulge your secrets eh.

if i had a stick at home i would practice all the time.

some stuff i would try and figure out is a way to incorporate artificial/manual unfly into comboes or doing air resets using dahses and D+HK xx dash

if there is a way to artificially gain unfly then u can learn unfly comboes and not worry about wheater or not u have unfly. So far i only know how to do a 70 ish point damage midscreen air combo without using unfly. Gotta make that higher. Still tryna get that one rep of re-fly mid screen.

anyways i have a question to ask the irongods. I was reading about artifcial unfly in that 'demise thread' that was bumped and how if u fly xx unfly without doing any action u will still be able to attack, so would it be possible to do this without starting with unfly?


launch, sj.lk, sj.U+HP, ad/uf, sj.lk, sj.U+HP, Fly xx Unfly sj.U+HP, ad/uf, sj.lk, sj.U+hp, Fly, f.lk, f.U+Hp, Unibeam.

i can't get that shit to work at all, then i read fanatiqs post and i think iget what he is sayin but i dont know how to incorporate that into a combo.

anyways would this re fly work?

launch, sj.lk, sj.U+HP, ad/uf, sj.lk, sj.U+HP, Fly, f.lk, f.U+Hp, unfly xx fly, f.U+HP, Unibeam.

[Illan_3rd]

you're dying to divulge your secrets eh.

if i had a stick at home i would practice all the time.

some stuff i would try and figure out is a way to incorporate artificial/manual unfly into comboes or doing air resets using dahses and D+HK xx dash

if there is a way to artificially gain unfly then u can learn unfly comboes and not worry about wheater or not u have unfly. So far i only know how to do a 70 ish point damage midscreen air combo without using unfly. Gotta make that higher. Still tryna get that one rep of re-fly mid screen.

anyways i have a question to ask the irongods. I was reading about artifcial unfly in that 'demise thread' that was bumped and how if u fly xx unfly without doing any action u will still be able to attack, so would it be possible to do this without starting with unfly?


launch, sj.lk, sj.U+HP, ad/uf, sj.lk, sj.U+HP, Fly xx Unfly sj.U+HP, ad/uf, sj.lk, sj.U+hp, Fly, f.lk, f.U+Hp, Unibeam.

i can't get that shit to work at all, then i read fanatiqs post and i think iget what he is sayin but i dont know how to incorporate that into a combo.

anyways would this re fly work?

launch, sj.lk, sj.U+HP, ad/uf, sj.lk, sj.U+HP, Fly, f.lk, f.U+Hp, unfly xx fly, f.U+HP, Unibeam.

i havent seen that thread but i was bout to bring that up to, the artificial unfly....ive never really bothered trying a combo involving the artificial unfly... as for ur refly combo i dont really think that combo would work unless u use f. lp,f.mp, f. fierce then u could unfly xx fly Up+ fierce, unibeam!!! but even then i would you would have to use the lp unibeam

[J360]

Well just to let you know, you CANNOT gain artificial unfly mode while in super jump, fanatiq was just blabbering nonsense trying to prove us wrong.

Artificial Unfly mode take place under these conditions:

In all of the below, you CANNOT buffer or hit a button inbetween fly or unfly or you will not gain artificial unfly.

1) nj, fly, unfly (at this moment you are allowed one action of any normal and 1 block)
2) nj, unibeam, fly unfly (same as above)
3) nj, smartbombs, fly unfly, (same as above)
4) cancel a medium hit off of block stun or combo (ex. c.lk, c.mpxxfly, unfly [at this moment you are allowed one action])*

*if you extend the combo on the ground with a fierce or roundhouse and then cancel into fly you still gain artificial unfly.

Now there are ways of STORING unfly (you are only aloud to store one rep). What you can do is perform one of above conditions and DO NOT ATTACK on the way down. You have an unfly stored so now you have the option of having the fake unfly in super jump mode as well for one turn. There might be some things i left out so if anyone has questions feel free to ask.

EDIT: BTW the same rules apply to sent/wm/mag/storm really anyone who has a flight mode, you can normal jump and do any SPECIAL move and then fly unfly to gain 1 rep of block or attack with normals.

[eczangief]

^^^
Thanks for breaking that down. Really useful.

[Illan_3rd]

i sorta noticed that you cant gain artificial unfly in super jump mode and i was gonna bring up what j360 said about the artificial unfly but he beat me to it... haha...... well anyways i got a question!!! you know when ur in the air with IM and you hold down and hit roundhouse as well he comes down kneeing....well if you hit the character with that arent you put into normal jump mode and wouldnt you only be allowed to have one rep. of unfly!!.... so my question is this how is it that when you do any combo into a fly combo followed by an unfly up+fierce, how is it that you can continue the unfly inf. as opposed to if you miss the unfly hit you lose unfly completely whats that all about??

[J360]

Since you do a knee and it puts you in nj the action would have already been used but im not to sure about this, i will test it out later and post my conclusion.

[Illan_3rd]

finally after a few days of practicing of about a half hour each day.. ive got 7 reflys max on the corner and still only 1 - 2 in mid screen!! lol im working on midscreen......

[sealhunta]

when u do it mid screen, do u just do U+HP, or do u do lp mp U+HP for each rep

and good shit

[Illan_3rd]

when u do it mid screen, do u just do U+HP, or do u do lp mp U+HP for each rep

and good shit

well actually.... ive tried both methods but for the U+HP alone i can only do two reps max in mid screen cuz it pushes them away farther and they get to low and i dont like reflying and starting out f.lk to bring them back up........ and yea i use the other one the lp mp U+HP more!! i think josh said that u can get like 4 reps max in mid screen but i dont remember if he said that it involved you using the flying dash.!!!?????

[sealhunta]

before u refly u'll probably be around 60 points of damage, than after 2 more reps maybe 70ish but then damage scaling will kick in hard so if u just do a unibeam after 2 reps, it would be worth it, but can u even unibeam mid screen?

[Illan_3rd]

before u refly u'll probably be around 60 points of damage, than after 2 more reps maybe 70ish but then damage scaling will kick in hard so if u just do a unibeam after 2 reps, it would be worth it, but can u even unibeam mid screen?

it is possible but.... u would have to use the lp version because if you did the hp version it not only takes longer but you would also miss it!!!

[J360]

to uni beam all you would have to do is make your last rep of refly sj-lk,sj-lp,sj. up+Fiercexxfp.unibeam

[Illan_3rd]

to uni beam all you would have to do is make your last rep of refly sj-lk,sj-lp,sj. up+Fiercexxfp.unibeam

yea i know that but i think he was reffering to uni beam after the fly up+fierce!! which is why i said what i said....