Will Street Fighter 4 be enough to revive the arcade scene ?

[Sacr3D]

I Just hope that the arcade scene will be revived with SF4 like the good ol days.

[SaBrE]

whos to say it will even be arcade, atleast in north america?

[batsu13]

whos to say it will even be arcade, atleast in north america?

Yeah. Releasing it in arcades and adding online play on the consoles would make no business sense whatsoever.

[dbostick]

Yeah. Releasing it in arcades and adding online play on the consoles would make no business sense whatsoever.

Isn't that what Namco is doing for Tekken 6?

[Ultima]

Yeah. I don't see why arcade + online home don't work.

Hell, simultaneous arcade + home release a la MvC2. Look how well that turned out.

[pc1x1]

There is no reviving it, its dead, long and buried. Plus everyone says they want it revived, I have yet to see the masses put down $1-2 per game to play it in the arcade, when there are home consoles abound.

[UltraDavid]

Well even if it doesn't get an arcade release in most places, it'll certainly be arcade in Japan, and some arcades in other countries will definitely import those machines. But I don't think this'll create many new arcades, just reinforce those arcades that still exist.

[dbostick]

Put a SFIV cabinet in every Starbucks and there's your revived scene in America right there.

[batsu13]

I don't follow Tekken, so I could be totally wrong, but I think that's different though. Tekken is a lot more mainstream than Street Fighter is nowadays. Outside of the core fans, Street Fighter has been dead for quite a while, as where Tekken has been everywhere. Also, One of the recent Tekkens (I think 5) at the arcades had slots where you can import your home data to play there.

Don't get me wrong though. I'd love to see the arcade boom happen all over again, but the market and income potential for arcades has dwindled to next to nothing in the States.

[Ultima]

I forgot to answer the thread question: No, it won't revive the arcade. But it doesn't have to.

[BlueFlamingo]

I don't follow Tekken, so I could be totally wrong, but I think that's different though. Tekken is a lot more mainstream than Street Fighter is nowadays. Outside of the core fans, Street Fighter has been dead for quite a while, as where Tekken has been everywhere. Also, One of the recent Tekkens (I think 5) at the arcades had slots where you can import your home data to play there.

Don't get me wrong though. I'd love to see the arcade boom happen all over again, but the market and income potential for arcades has dwindled to next to nothing in the States.

Tekken 5 and onwards has 6-axis ports for your ps2 controller so you don't have to play stick and a arcade only memory card that stores your rank, character, wins/losses, and customizations. Arcades are closing left and right, Namco is slowly phasing them out of the US...

[batsu13]

Tekken 5 and onwards has 6-axis ports for your ps2 controller so you don't have to play stick and a arcade only memory card that stores your rank, character, wins/losses, and customizations. Arcades are closing left and right, Namco is slowly phasing them out of the US...

Oh, I didn't know all of that. I just remember seeing memory card slots. But now that I think of it, that's even worse news for arcades. If companies are setting up the cabinets so that you can bring your home setup with you... why not, um, stay home and play online?

[Otaku Anime Gamer]

Just buy the game and support capcom. After all these years they decided to make SF4, eventhough alot of the old devs left. Just support them and buy the game end of story. Who gives a f#$% if SF is not in arcades. It won't stop evo from having it on console.

[parallaxscroll]

come on Capcom,
I hope you've got a CPS4 ~ Capcom Player System 4 arcade board in development for SF4. ahhh, or at least an Xbox 360-based arcade hardware to run SF4 on. It doesn't HAVE to be new hardware (Xbox360 or even PS3 would be fine) Tthe original CPS board was 3 years old when Street Fighter II was released for it.

[batsu13]

Just buy the game and support capcom. After all these years they decided to make SF4, eventhough alot of the old devs left. Just support them and buy the game end of story. Who gives a f#$% if SF is not in arcades. It won't stop evo from having it on console.

I don't think anyone is saying they won't buy it. It's just a thread for people to express their opinions as to wether this is going to bump the arcades up a bit.

I'm pretty sure everyone who visits srk will buy it on whatever platform it gets released on.

[Otaku Anime Gamer]

I don't think anyone is saying they won't buy it. It's just a thread for people to express their opinions as to wether this is going to bump the arcades up a bit.

I'm pretty sure everyone who visits srk will buy it on whatever platform it gets released on.

Good shit, BTW there are alot of retards who have bashed SF in the General section for years, why they come to SRK only god knows.:rolleyes: Now that they see this they will come crying back.

[DaDesiCanadian]

I really don't think it's going to revive the arcade scene. It's going to take a whole lot more than this. Consoles destroyed the arcade because they're just so much more convenient. Plus most gamers are nerds who would rather stay inside than go outside.

Good shit, BTW there are alot of retards who have bashed SF in the General section for years, why they come to SRK only god knows.:rolleyes: Now that they see this they will come crying back.

Don't lose faith in SRK, the idiots will still continue bashing it until the end of time.

[batsu13]

Haha. I wouldn' know. Today is the first time I have spent more than like 2 minutes on srk since back in about 2002. (Try to guess why? =P) General discussion has become some kind of wierd life tutorial so I do not spend much time there. Once in a while an interesting topic comes up though, so it's not a complete waste of time.

[goodm0urning]

I Just hope that the arcade scene will be revived with SF4 like the good ol days.Let's not be fatuous.

[tonbarry]

If it does happen to hit arcades...then my guess is it'll be on that "tournament list" in no time,but then again it all depends on if they keep it 2D or 3D and just the whole style of it if you ask me.If it has that old school feel for it...and is in 2d it'll be pretty sweet,never liked the 3D SF game myself.

Can't wait for this one more footage capcom!

:nunchuck:

[KrsJin]

Isn't that what Namco is doing for Tekken 6?

And Virtua Fighter 5 lol.

[fatboy]

Nope.. Plan an simple... there are too many reasons to stay at home.

XBL
PS3 Arcade
Porn on the Computer
Porn on the TV
Porn on the Internet

Need I say more... lol

[Gaijinblaze]

Well isn't that inspiring. "Fatboy" indeed.

[Overworld]

Street Fighter 3 didn't revive the arcade scene...so I doubt 4 will.

Besides it'll be ported to some home console at some point.

[TrueSephiroth]

Although I don't think it will revive the arcade scene, that's extremely small chance.

I believe it has a great shot at reviving the Fighting Game Scene for the Street Fighter Series as a whole though, considering in my opinion, Street Fighter IV will have a better advantage then SFIII then.

Because SFIII came at a time when everyone was basically moving away from fighting games overall. Now after 10+ years, so many of us have been craving for this that this just might push the fighting game genre further then it is today.

At least, that's what I'd hope, or am hoping for. I mean, even if you don't get to seriously revive the arcade scene, the most important thing is that the SF community grows.

[haaris_abbasi]

The arcade scene will be filled with the top tier players. MOST console players suck [unless you are talking about Keystone, which is really console versions converted to arcade cabinet, AND some of the best go there].

[Dencore]

Put a SFIV cabinet in every Starbucks and there's your revived scene in America right there.

Add Super-Markets and Blockbuster to that list and I'll agree.

Although I don't think it will revive the arcade scene, that's extremely small chance.

I believe it has a great shot at reviving the Fighting Game Scene for the Street Fighter Series as a whole though, considering in my opinion, Street Fighter IV will have a better advantage then SFIII then.

Because SFIII came at a time when everyone was basically moving away from fighting games overall. Now after 10+ years, so many of us have been craving for this that this just might push the fighting game genre further then it is today.

At least, that's what I'd hope, or am hoping for. I mean, even if you don't get to seriously revive the arcade scene, the most important thing is that the SF community grows.


You're also forgetting another important thing, competition. When Street Fighter III came out it had to compete with Alpha, Marvel vs. Capcom *it came out not much longer then it did*, Darkstalkers, and dozens upon dozens of other fighters that were fairly new and extending. How many fighters that are known to the general public does SFIV have to compete with especially if it's in 2D?

[epp1e]

Starbucks is losing at the moment. Put the cabinets in every Pinkberry... it'll also make the wait seem 5 hours shorter.

[Corner-Trap]

It's funny how people are saying that arcades are long and dead, and will not be coming back. Isn't this the exact same thing we said about a possible SF sequel? Now look what happened.

[Shin Sho-oh-ken]

It's funny how people are saying that arcades are long and dead, and will not be coming back. Isn't this the exact same thing we said about a possible SF sequel? Now look what happened.

But reviving an old game and reviving an old scene are 2 completely different things.

[Pablo_the_Mex]

As long as the cabinet does not cost over $10k like some of those really flashy arcade games, it should make its way to arcades eventually. Hell, VF5 has one cab in the US which amazing in it of itself. I am sure we could get an SF4 in every major city in the US.

[asr10 user]

It probably wont, but it has a chance. When SF2 came out the arcade scene was dying. If a few liquor stores or even a 7-11 gets it, it can start up the same way SF2 did. Its been long enough, and enough young people play 3s/MVC2 around here to make me believe so.

[Cynistar]

i dont think this has been mentioned already but... if this is released for aracade does anybody think we might have a chance of keeping our play level at about the same as japanese arcades. i mean i think certain arades in the U.S. like FFA would by the sf4 arcade version. so if it was played competitively from the start im thinking that maybe there wouldn't be such a big gap between u.s. and japan players.

[Lazy Foo']

No one game can revive the arcades. The arcades have to fundamentally change how they do business. The model has stayed the same since the 1970s.

Take for example a 3rd Strike machine at FFA. During peak hours, there's a quarter being put into the machine every 2 minutes. That machine only makes $8 dollars an hour even though the Player to machine ratio is 5:1. Whenever I go, I get my ass handed to me but I only spend like $10 by the end of night. Arcades just aren't profitable.

Instead of arcades, the new gaming meeting place is the LAN center. Why are LAN centers more profitable? For one thing you don't have to buy a 50 $500 Counter Strike Source boards to have it in each computer. Considering it's costs lots of money to make the board, Valve wouldn't make that much profit from the sales of the board either.

At a LAN, people don't have to wait in line 8 minutes to play once with $.25. At the end of the night the arcade only makes $10 of a person, where the LAN center can make $30 by charging $5 an hour. The fact is if arcades mimicked the LAN center model both the game companies and the players would benefit from it.

This is what I would imagine a LAN styled arcade would be like:
You walk into FFA, you pay $20 at the register to play a cabinet for 4 hours. You go to the cabinet and there's a nice chair waiting for you so you don't have to fight for your stool.

You log onto the arcade cabinet and it has installed the entire Street Fighter 2 series, the entire Alpha Series, the entire Street Fighter 3 series, the entire KoF series, the entire Street Fighter EX series, the dark stalkers series, the marvel vs capcom series, the fatal fury series, the real bout series, the entire tekken series, the entire soul calibur series, the entire virtua fighter series, all of the guilty gears, every metal slug, and even retro games like Pac man, donkey kong, and tetris so your girlfriend has something to play.

It costs the owner 10,000 dollars to get all those OEM licenses, but divided amongst 50 arcade computers it's $200 per cabinet. You can't even get a single 3rd Strike board for that. What he got in a $2000 computer cabinet + $200 per cabinet in licensing would have cost him 10 of thousands more with the game per board system. Capcom, SNK, and all the other companies also made good money because the difference in cost between selling 1 license and 50 licenses is much smaller so it's raw profit. The profit margins are still better than the high cost of single arcade board.

You ask if there's any tournaments running. The guy on computer 37 started up a Street Fighter 5 tournament on the LAN. They're trying out the new patch capcom released. Dan Jr had a insta-dizzy combo that made him incredibly broken. They got rid of it in the PS3/360/PC release along with other tweaks and they patched the arcade version so the console versions are still arcade perfect.

You start up SF5 and join the tournament hosted on Cabinet 37. While you wait you mess around in training to warm up. "Here comes a new challenger!" and now the tournament script is under way. Once the tournament over people start having some more casuals matches to see how the changes effected the game. Now people aren't using the same 2 characters over and over again.

You want to change you game and you look through the huge list of mass licensed games. Then you start up KoF 98. You spend an hour some casual matches, then you notice there's a strong Garou 2 presence tonight. You boot into G2 you guys have a mini tournament for that.

After getting your ass handed to you, you feel like some old school gaming and start up SSF2T. You rest of your time there just fighting random people online from their homes and their arcades. Midnight strikes and the Street Fighter VI demo is good to go. 20 minutes later your girlfriend start nagging you because she starting to get tired of playing metal slug. You head home and after she goes to sleep you go on Live/PSN/PC and continue battling your friends at the arcade.

I don't know the exact practicality of all this, but guy can dream can't he?:sweat:

With less costs/more profit for the arcade owners/game publishers and a better experience for gamers, switching to LAN style model is win/win/win.

[NemoDC]

Put a SFIV cabinet in every Starbucks and there's your revived scene in America right there.


True.

But then alot of the crowd starbucks attracts (teachers, white collar workers, people who are studying) would find another coffee chain because of all the commotion coming from the SFIV cabinet. :confused:

[The_Trigger]

I still co-sign the Starbucks idea every thread I see it in. And maybe its because I lived in South Georgia most of my life, but are there OTHER cofee chains besides Starbucks and Joe Muggs?

[Dander]

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i love how you guys ignored the obvious effort he put up in this post.

If I had premium I'd give you all rep.

[N_paul]

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That's a pretty interesting concept and best of all is something different. Implementing that though? How would you get companies to approve of said cabinets?

I think you'd have to actually approach Capcom and/or SNK Playmore or some other company(s) and get them to actually produce such a thing. But, at any rate, I agree that Arcade boards are just hella expensive and are impossible to create a profit. Breaking even is one thing, but you can't pay rent with a machine that barely pays for much more than it's own maintenance.

[KING]

nope.

[kurokuma]

"Will Street Fighter 4 be enough to revive the arcade scene? (http://forums.shoryuken.com/showthread.php?t=141094)"

Quite honestly, "NO"

But if players stop being Smarty Know-It-All Grumpy Assholes Mufuckers ready to kill a man even for the slightest bit of mistaken knowledge of whatever game happens to be popular at that time and just play the damn games without all the high n mighty bullshit attitudes that either scare off or just plain pisses off potential players, then i think that there would be 2 to 3 times as many arcade goers as there are now in the (fighting game) arcade scene.

the whole only the strong survive attitude is why the fighting game scene is as small as it is now. but hey, thats just my opinion.

at any rate, ill be at the arcade as soon as street fighter 4 comes out, asshole players or not!

[Lazy Foo']

Implementing that though? How would you get companies to approve of said cabinets?

Just use standard Intel Architecture PCs. People working in their garage have made their own PC arcade cabinets with $200 worth of parts + the cost of the PC itself.

The emulators you use to play your games on your PC and GGPO itself were made with programmers with literally no budget. I can't picturing it costing a lot considering when the official companies made the emulators the programmers will be paid and they have the official documentation. Reselling the game they already made is almost pure margin. By creating PC/360/PS3/Mac port of the emulators they could easily make a profit because bandwidth is even cheaper than the cost of making a DVD.

Again, I don't run an arcade or LAN center or run a game publisher so don't know the exact numbers we're looking at. But with what we know as consumers, it looks like its not only possible, but profitable.

[ihira]

100% agree with Lazy Foo.
Arcade scene...lmao

[Deathscythe]

If Chinatown Fair gets it, then shit will be hype. As for reviving the rest of the U.S. arcade scene: It's possible, but there aren't many left. And let's be real here, are you gonna invest on territory(expensive might I add) just for Tekken 6 and SFIV? Let's not forget that these games are gonna be running on higher resolution, so you're gonna need the obvious technology to run these games on the resolution they need to be on.

So let's take a look at a possible line-up for the REVIVED arcade scene(if it were to happen):

SFIV
Tekken 6
VF5(maybe)
Melty Blood
GGXX AC
Sengoku Basara X
Arcana Heart FULL
MvC2
ST

And whatever else the old school heads might want. It's not that bad of a line-up when you look at it, but since console technology is already there and can handle these games like nothing, do you think people are going to invest money on arcades ever again?

[Biolink]

Good list.

I'd take Cvs2 over Melty,but all of the other games seem great on paper

[snakedizzle209]

I think playing at an arcade is way better than sitting at home in your underwear playing random scrubs online with lag.

It's not gonna pack arcades (at least not for long) and it's not gonna keep a dying arcade in business, but I hope it comes out in arcades because it just wouldnt be the same if it didnt.

[Shade]

The Arcade scene died because of home consoles, and the internet. Not because of lack of games (although that is important).

One game wont save a nation's problem.

[xXx$HIN-GIEFxXx]

360 + Online play FTW.

Arcades are long dead in NA, trying to bring it back will only leave you with a vegatable. Now if only the 360 had a decent stick. I'm hoping Capcom will get someone to design and release a SF stick for 360 when this rolls out.

[spudlyff8fan]

I wanna know why Capcom would even bother with an arcade version.

If they're doing that why not make a Dreamcast version? Or a Lynx version? Why discriminate against the other dead platforms?

SF4 on the Virtual Boy, plz.

[Cable1096]

LOL, did anyone else think the trailer looked like toned-done Dragon Ball Z shit? lol Especially the part with Ryu's fireball.

[Deathscythe]

I wanna know why Capcom would even bother with an arcade version.


Because................they still have them in Japan, maybe?

[TheOrgy]

I did. It's the way of catching the kids mentality of the victims -eh, consumers

oh btw, if capcom wants to have some semblance of success with it's game in arcade, they have to make it appear attractive to the latin american market, but that is difficult because kof already has it all.

[spudlyff8fan]

Because................they still have them in Japan, maybe?

Man, Japan doesn't even actually exist!

But yeah, no arcade version, plz. We don't need any elitist shit about how which one is the "real" SF4.

That said, I still want my Virtual Boy SF4!!!

[dbostick]

True.

But then alot of the crowd starbucks attracts (teachers, white collar workers, people who are studying) would find another coffee chain because of all the commotion coming from the SFIV cabinet. :confused:

Since Starbucks can charge up the asshole for a 50 cent cup of coffee, I assume that they can afford to expand for an arcade room to keep them white collards from getting disgusted by the arcade playing carney folk.

Besides, Starbucks has a high turn-over rate because of their annoying music. All the rich asses can come and go while everyone else plays fighting games. :)

But, throw in classics like Pac-Man and Donkey Kong and Starbucks appeals to gamers of all ages.

Let's face it, the mall and movie theater are not the places to revive the scene. It's all about gourmet coffee places now.

[ihira]

I think playing at an arcade is way better than sitting at home in your underwear playing random scrubs online with lag.

It's not gonna pack arcades (at least not for long) and it's not gonna keep a dying arcade in business, but I hope it comes out in arcades because it just wouldnt be the same if it didnt.
Yeah, because driving out to arcades, seeing no one there(or the same few people) paying per game, standing while playing on shitty stick and buttons that need to be repaired, waiting in line when you lose is everyones favotire thing. Arcade fighting scene FTW

The only positive for Arcade vs Home is the community aka meeting people with same interests and having a good time IRL. Lag is a major issue but lets hope Capcom pulls a GGPO with SF4 and that problem is gone.

[Shinryuuken_SA2]

If you really want the arcade scene to be revived, you'll need more than one big game. You need, I dunno, arcade owners (and cafe owners because as you guys said, that's the big thing right now) that actually cares about games and won't treat their clients like shit.

Probably won't happen. And that's sad, because if managed well there would be a great way to make money and keep their clients happy. Kinda like stargate in houston or something. Never went there, but I read seth's article and the owner seemed like a guy that knew his stuff.

[TheOrgy]

There only need to be fixed sticks and buttons, because the rest is worth the grief.

If good players come online, fine, if you have fun online, fine, but playing in live will always be better as long as there are good opponents. The real aspect and betting money will always be superior to being in your home all lazy playing infinite credits not putting into risk anything more than the letters that compose your name.

[TheOrgy]

If you really want the arcade scene to be revived, you'll need more than one big game. You need, I dunno, arcade owners (and cafe owners because as you guys said, that's the big thing right now) that actually cares about games and won't treat their clients like shit.

if the people supported kof XII without conditions like sf 4 and they actually made effort to ask and ask in the reality that they don't close arcades and don't change the good games for shit like racing games

[Hitman66]

if the people supported kof XII without conditions like sf 4 and they actually made effort to ask and ask in the reality that they don't close arcades and don't change the good games for shit like racing games

I Strongly Agree On that one man

[ihira]

as long as there are good opponents.

This is problem where 99% of the people incl myself will run into.
Not all of us live in a metro city with lively competition. Just look at how desperate the srk members are for competition when they're trying out trash like Xbox live and Kaillera.
A ggpo quality non-laggy online play is what we need.

I do see how not betting money can somewhat hold you back from playing seriously but that doesn't mean we won't improve. There will always be people that want to step up their skill and fighting against human opponents over and over is the best way to become better.

[Night]

It won't revive it.

Seeing it in Starbucks will not happen, because Starbucks wouldn't want to bother going through with such a menial, almost meaningless thing that only attracts a niche market, with an already working business model. Go ahead and try to go to Starbucks execs with whatever numbers, forecasted profits, and even if they're in the millions per year, the execs will still ask you to leave.

[ElderGOD]

They should make it arcade only, then release it a year later on console.

How to not kill an arcade:
Must have MvC2, Arcana Hearts Full, and Street Fighter 4
Have some pool tables (and maybe ping pong etc)
Have a place to eat
Run tournaments
Keep it clean and fixed
Don't be a jerk

[{PFH}-Lake]

I dont think having Topless strippers would even save arcades, people would be like "Ya arcades have topless chicks, but I got the internet for both my porn and video games, and im to lazy to drive to the arcade right now so....."

[TheOrgy]

Hey dude, let's converge in that the naked chicks in live are better than naked chicks behind a crystal

[Shinryuuken_SA2]

Only if they're fisting.

Err, can't believe I just said that.

Game centers. With lans and arcades and pool tables and stuff... That's what we need.

[Biolink]

Ideas

Pool Tables
Vending machines
Concession Stand
Wireless Internet/Cafe(Just some little tables and couches where people could chill and browse the internet)

MvC2
Guilty Gear XX:Accent core
Street Fighter 4
Arcana Heart:Full
Tekken 6
CvS2
Super Turbo

Maybe some random flashy games like Time Crisis 4,or House of the Dead 3.

Nerd haven

[JubeiNinja69]

i don't know if SF4 will have the same impact as SF2. times were different. arcades were thriving then and SF2 was the best new fighting game ever made that innovated almost everything in 2d fighting and was cloned hella times. so in a word. no

[{PFH}-Lake]

Hey dude, let's converge in that the naked chicks in live are better than naked chicks behind a crystal what I was saying was a metaphor for people are to lazy to goto the arcades when they can just play online.

[TheOrgy]

I never knew that pool was for nerds, I guess one never stops learning cliches

[Biolink]

Pool tables are manly,no they aren't nerdy

[Shinryuuken_SA2]

Yeah, as manly as hitting multicolored ivory balls with a long stick can be.

[ckrazy]

Put a SFIV cabinet in every Starbucks and there's your revived scene in America right there.

QFT you can put almost anything in Starbucks and it will get a new life.

The only thing wrong with this is we will never be able to convince Starbucks to invest into this plan =(

[Vampire_Saviour]

I hope it isn't SF:EX all over again.

[parallaxscroll]

the "arcade scene" in the United States is a lot worse now that in 1990 and early 1991 just before SFII came out. it's probably so bad now that it's beyond the point of being revived, unless SF4 is the 2nd Coming.


it would be good though, if SF4 starts off in the arcades on Taito's Type X2 board. 6-8 months in the arcade would be great, then release a refined SF4 on consoles in spring/summer 2009 to avoid going up against potentially big games that might come out later that year like Zelda Wii and whatnot.

[snakedizzle209]

Yeah, because driving out to arcades, seeing no one there(or the same few people) paying per game, standing while playing on shitty stick and buttons that need to be repaired, waiting in line when you lose is everyones favotire thing. Arcade fighting scene FTW

The only positive for Arcade vs Home is the community aka meeting people with same interests and having a good time IRL. Lag is a major issue but lets hope Capcom pulls a GGPO with SF4 and that problem is gone.

Does it really hurt that much to go out to play games anymore? I know we live in a MMORPG world now, and not everybody has a good arcade in town. But why not come out with an arcade version for the rest of the world. Half the fun is just going out and seeing familiar faces and meeting new ones who wanna do the same thing. Kick back and play fighting games. Of course it should come out for console too, but why not have the option to go the arcade to play as well? Not everybody has access to next gen consoles and/or an internet connection, but I'm sure most people can scrounge up some quarters and kick it at the local arcade for a little while, every now and then.

[DevilJin 01]

Yes and no. There's a small chance it could come back and then oops no never mind.

[Mercy]

No it will not. The street fighter community is to small. The majority of people at arcades are kids who wanna play skee ball. And you know arcade owners can give a crap if controls ever work.

[sowutifmahsnsux]

what i just hope for is for SF4 to have as close as possible lagfree online gameplay. that'll be better than reviving arcades imo. and for it to be the best SF game to date. no pressure, no pressure...

[The Illuminati]

I hope it's not online, because that kills the competitive scene. DOA is a perfect example of this.

[Dai_]

Yeah, because driving out to arcades, seeing no one there(or the same few people) paying per game, standing while playing on shitty stick and buttons that need to be repaired, waiting in line when you lose is everyones favotire thing.

I really miss those days :sad:

Ideas

Pool Tables
Vending machines
Concession Stand
Wireless Internet/Cafe(Just some little tables and couches where people could chill and browse the internet)

MvC2
Guilty Gear XX:Accent core
Street Fighter 4
Arcana Heart:Full
Tekken 6
CvS2
Super Turbo

Maybe some random flashy games like Time Crisis 4,or House of the Dead 3.

Nerd haven

You forgot a couple of DDR/ITG machines, BINGO, Geek Heaven.

[Zazzarius]

DOA is a perfect example of this.

was DOA ever competitive? :wonder:

release a refined SF4 on consoles

no one would play it if its not arcade perfect

[SaDo]

we can only pray. almost every gamer knows of street fighter so it aint like the ground work aint already laid.

but in all honesty and im sorry to say it, no it wont.

[Sacr3D]

Ideas

Pool Tables
Vending machines
Concession Stand
Wireless Internet/Cafe(Just some little tables and couches where people could chill and browse the internet)

MvC2
Guilty Gear XX:Accent core
Street Fighter 4
Arcana Heart:Full
Tekken 6
CvS2
Super Turbo

Maybe some random flashy games like Time Crisis 4,or House of the Dead 3.

Nerd haven

If arcades had more a "loungy" atmosphere MAYBE people would come more.

But I guess in reality theres a really dim chance for arcades to be revived. I hope that SF4 will get a lot of support and not just from the community. These new generation of kids need to learn how to do a Hadouken ! I Tried teaching my little brother and he didn't understand shit or cared for that matter. Then maybe.... just maybe arcades could increase. But then again I don't think it will happen. But I can dream right?

[Shodokan123]

Street Fighter 3 didn't revive the arcade scene...so I doubt 4 will.

Besides it'll be ported to some home console at some point.

sf3 was not advertised enough, or correctly.

[Dai_]

Also, the cps3 only got like 6 games (and half of it were sf3 rehash) and the system could become useless if doesn't got good care of it, and not to talk about price, a lot of arcades can't afford that (i only see a couple of arcades that got SF3 in my city)

[Sacr3D]

sf3 was not advertised enough, or correctly.

I can't clearly remember but I almost never heard about SF3 till I saw it in the arcades. But back then when I first saw it , the first impression I had wasn't a good one because everything was so different and the characters we all grew to love weren't there anymore.

[Omski2k4]

the answer to the question:

no. It'll raise interest in people, but like with all things, the short attention span will get the better of them and they'll move on to the next game. They have to REALLY time the release of this game for maximal effect, that's going to be key for sure.

[DevilJin 01]

I can't clearly remember but I almost never heard about SF3 till I saw it in the arcades. But back then when I first saw it , the first impression I had wasn't a good one because everything was so different and the characters we all grew to love weren't there anymore.

That's exactly what I liked about the game but unfortunately that turned a lot more people off. I want SF4 to have just Ryu and Ken and everyone else brand spanking new. That more than likely wont happen but I would appreciate that.

[Silks]

lol, I doubt you're gonna see a bunch of new arcades pop up is the US IF it is even brought to the arcade.

On another note, I can't believe how much garbage has been posted since the announcement. Some people need to chiiiiiill out.

That's exactly what I liked about the game but unfortunately that turned a lot more people off. I want SF4 to have just Ryu and Ken and everyone else brand spanking new. That more than likely wont happen but I would appreciate that.

And Sagat. :)

[YuuFone]

I Just hope that the arcade scene will be revived with SF4 like the good ol days.


Yeah i hope for that everyday!

we really need to revive our arcades here

arcades here are now all gambling games..... :annoy:

[kmasera]

Yeah i hope for that everyday!

we really need to revive our arcades here

arcades here are now all gambling games..... :annoy:

oh the irony hahahaha

[EndLeSS8]

To the original question:

Maybe, but heavily leaning towards No

[spudlyff8fan]

I think you're all forgetting one important thing. There are no arcades anymore. The real question would be if more people are willing to open arcades if SF4 comes out. Which is a great big "no." In all seriousness, unless the days when you could drive 20 minutes in any direction and arrive at an arcade return, the arcade scene will be dead.

[DRE]

I'd love to see an arcade revival, but unfortunately xbox live says no.

The scene has totally changed.

[Silks]

I think you're all forgetting one important thing. There are no arcades anymore.

lol, I doubt you're gonna see a bunch of new arcades pop up is the US IF it is even brought to the arcade.

I didn't forget :P

[Wai]

theres like 5 (good) arcades in North America. If anything, those 5 arcades will get some business.

The future of tournaments will be consoles.

[spudlyff8fan]

The present and future of tournaments is on consoles.

Fixed

[The Granby]

The present and future of tournaments will be consoles for those who don't have arcades.

That's better.


Do we really need to have this topic? How about, "Will this game be released for arcades?". Cause if not, Capcom has successfully killed off arcades cause most of those that are still alive exsist thanks to fanatics playing Marvel/Third Strike/CvS2. If you put Street Fighter 4 on console only, you basically kill FFA, PZ, Nickel, etc. as many of those players will flock to play Street Fighter 4 at home.

[Silks]

Though you could argue that if it wasn't for Capcom releasing the original sf2, arcades would've died even earlier in the US.

[Shinryuuken_SA2]

Japan's arcade market is too big to be ignored I think. The only difference we might see is that the game might be based on consoles as top priority first Or at least console and arcade release on the same level of importance.

[spudlyff8fan]

That's better.While this is true...playing the same five people who have arcades near them will have to get boring eventually.

[Sacr3D]

Though you could argue that if it wasn't for Capcom releasing the original sf2, arcades would've died even earlier in the US.

Man you could be right on that :looney:

[EVERDRED]

circular movement, side steps and strike redirection it might not have parrying but im sure that the 3d movement options will serve as a form to avoid damage/counter like parries but instead of tapping down or forward timed right the character will actually be moving in 3d space in, out, sideways and around to avoid damage at the same time having the ability to jump and have moves applicable in the air.

the big part of this would be the ease of motion from switching directions that's going to be the biggest part of sf4 in my opinion if capcom is really stepping into the future with this. sure other games have examples of these but what makes street fighter to me stand out is the screen position of both characters on the screen and how they respond to eachother. capcom pullin a distance game out from sf2 and making the upclose game possible from sf3 through real motion in space... if they did it well then this really could be a very good game.

from the trailer im thinking thats where sf4 is going.

[Judgment Day]

Does it really hurt that much to go out to play games anymore? I know we live in a MMORPG world now, and not everybody has a good arcade in town. But why not come out with an arcade version for the rest of the world. Half the fun is just going out and seeing familiar faces and meeting new ones who wanna do the same thing. Kick back and play fighting games. Of course it should come out for console too, but why not have the option to go the arcade to play as well? Not everybody has access to next gen consoles and/or an internet connection, but I'm sure most people can scrounge up some quarters and kick it at the local arcade for a little while, every now and then.

I agree with this. The way my lifestyle runs, I can buy whatever I want as far as games and systems (and multiple ones if I felt like it)...the problem is that I never have the time for gaming at home. So buying them wouldn't be worth it, because they'll eventually collect dust like so many other games I have over the past 'x' years (like Metal Gear Solid, which is unfortunately still in its wrapper from 1998). I travel a lot, and my way of gaming has always come through the arcade venue. Plus, I would rather see the face of my opponent 'live' anyway.

SF4 will NOT revive or revolutionize the arcade scene - however, I honestly can't see the scene as being erased either. For over 30 years, arcades have only really seen 3 eras that everyone wants to see.

Early mid 70s - birth of the arcade scene
1980-1984 - PacMan era, which was ridiculously crazy compared to SF2
1991-1994 - Fighting Game era

The only way to come close to this status is for SF4 to open the floodgates with consumers. Coming out with a game after so many years of dormant will help for a few months to the already niche crowd. More will have to be brought to the table that has an edge over ANY game that has been released in recent memory, arcade and console.

PS: Nice post LazyFoo'

[Crap]

This question should never have been asked.

Arcades are gonna stay dead as long as consoles exist. Japan has the scene thats still alive.

Americans = Consoles. Japanese = both.

The scene is dead in only one place. so technically it never had any real problems. Besides for the arcade scene to be "revived" you need more than fighting games that would just be ported to consoles anyway (thats why it CAN'T be revived. Least about of exclusive arcade fighters.) along with the fact that most arcade games aren't the shit as they were back then. We had a huge ass variety, now we have stupid light gun games and fighters that get ported to consoles.

[The Granby]

This question should never have been asked.

Arcades are gonna stay dead as long as consoles exist. Japan has the scene thats still alive.

Americans = Consoles. Japanese = both.

The scene is dead in only one place. so technically it never had any real problems. Besides for the arcade scene to be "revived" you need more than fighting games that would just be ported to consoles anyway (thats why it CAN'T be revived. Least about of exclusive arcade fighters.) along with the fact that most arcade games aren't the shit as they were back then. We had a huge ass variety, now we have stupid light gun games and fighters that get ported to consoles.


Japanese play console? WTF.... I remember a long post about Japanese culture where it was rather uncommon to go to a dudes house to play console fighters, thats why they have arcades.

American FG players = console and arcade if available. Japanese FG players = arcades and console only if you want to save money/online.

That's more accurate. This whole black and white opinions on forums from a bunch of people who have no idea what they are talking about it what kills arcades, not consoles or lack of technology. Sorry guys but there are way to many active arcade threads in the regional forums to take you guys seriously.

I don't even see why the game can't be on both, makes it better for us all.

[Mike C]

Sorry guys but there are way to many active arcade threads in the regional forums to take you guys seriously.

.


Nope i dont see any of that. Arcades are dead. Even California which is supposed to have the strongest arcade community only has like half a dozen arcades.

[The Granby]

Have you been out here? Ever notice the biggest stuff like Dark Prince, FFA ranbats, etc happen in arcade and not at some dudes house? Hell people could be playing GGAC at their houses but we have dudes traveling from SD to play at AI. I'm almost certain a lot of you guys are either internet jaded or have never seen a workable arcade.

Point is, if arcade is widely available people will play and do stuff there and not in their own house. I'm really sick of this "arcade is dead" from a bunch of bums who probably would rather have EVO qualfiers online like POS Dead or Alive. Go ahead and say arcade is dead when GameWorks, Dave&Busters, and all the rip off game centers in America go bankrupt, but until then I find it hard to believe anything is dead. Arcade will end up being a cult classic if anything else, and arcade players will be just like Audiophiles, Quilting, Hobby Electronics, and other outdated but popular hobbies.

[Lvl.3]

There is no arcade scene in America, Capcom closed those doors along ago. There are strong rumors namco (US) is about to close theirs. ONly way Capcom can bring it to thr arcade is thru Sega, but they too might be closing their arcade division (US). Thread closed.

[two2tone]

this thread is funny! arcade alive? hahaha sf4 prob aint even gonna come out in the arcades hahaha

[Zeidust]

"Will Street Fighter 4 be enough to revive the arcade scene? (http://forums.shoryuken.com/showthread.php?t=141094)"

Quite honestly, "NO"

But if players stop being Smarty Know-It-All Grumpy Assholes Mufuckers ready to kill a man even for the slightest bit of mistaken knowledge of whatever game happens to be popular at that time and just play the damn games without all the high n mighty bullshit attitudes that either scare off or just plain pisses off potential players, then i think that there would be 2 to 3 times as many arcade goers as there are now in the (fighting game) arcade scene.

the whole only the strong survive attitude is why the fighting game scene is as small as it is now. but hey, thats just my opinion.

at any rate, ill be at the arcade as soon as street fighter 4 comes out, asshole players or not!

I'm not even going to read any further.

This answers the thread.

[Crap]

Japanese play console? WTF.... I remember a long post about Japanese culture where it was rather uncommon to go to a dudes house to play console fighters, thats why they have arcades.

They still play consoles though right?

This was the worst fucking logic you could think of.

American FG players = console and arcade if available. Japanese FG players = arcades and console only if you want to save money/online.

That's more accurate.

This doesn't say anything. It's basically saying they both play in certain scene's equally, which is obvious bullshit.

I dont see the arcade scene with a bustling community like it was back in 94. Since consoles are more affordable, spending quarters is considered taboo almost. Hell I don't even see MVC2 with anyone going at it. It's that sad.

The hardcore arcade scene is now down to 15%. It's not as thriving as you make it out to be.

Thats the point.

This whole black and white opinions on forums from a bunch of people who have no idea what they are talking about it what kills arcades, not consoles or lack of technology.

So a bunch of opinions of random people on forums are what kills things? Why isn't Bush impeached yet? :confused:

[ElderGOD]

I don't think the game will have much influence on the arcade scene.

The reason arcades fail is not just bad games, but also other conditions are broken:
non-functional stick/buttons
crowded
no ac and/or smells
arcade eats quarters
arcade owner is a jerk
etc

Also location, not everyone will travel to the middle of nowhere for who knows how long to play a game with the conditions mentioned above when they can play on console where they want when they want.

[denjin]

No one game can revive the arcades. The arcades have to fundamentally change how they do business. The model has stayed the same since the 1970s.

Take for example a 3rd Strike machine at FFA. During peak hours, there's a quarter being put into the machine every 2 minutes. That machine only makes $8 dollars an hour even though the Player to machine ratio is 5:1. Whenever I go, I get my ass handed to me but I only spend like $10 by the end of night. Arcades just aren't profitable.

Instead of arcades, the new gaming meeting place is the LAN center. Why are LAN centers more profitable? For one thing you don't have to buy a 50 $500 Counter Strike Source boards to have it in each computer. Considering it's costs lots of money to make the board, Valve wouldn't make that much profit from the sales of the board either.

At a LAN, people don't have to wait in line 8 minutes to play once with $.25. At the end of the night the arcade only makes $10 of a person, where the LAN center can make $30 by charging $5 an hour. The fact is if arcades mimicked the LAN center model both the game companies and the players would benefit from it.

This is what I would imagine a LAN styled arcade would be like:
You walk into FFA, you pay $20 at the register to play a cabinet for 4 hours. You go to the cabinet and there's a nice chair waiting for you so you don't have to fight for your stool.

You log onto the arcade cabinet and it has installed the entire Street Fighter 2 series, the entire Alpha Series, the entire Street Fighter 3 series, the entire KoF series, the entire Street Fighter EX series, the dark stalkers series, the marvel vs capcom series, the fatal fury series, the real bout series, the entire tekken series, the entire soul calibur series, the entire virtua fighter series, all of the guilty gears, every metal slug, and even retro games like Pac man, donkey kong, and tetris so your girlfriend has something to play.

It costs the owner 10,000 dollars to get all those OEM licenses, but divided amongst 50 arcade computers it's $200 per cabinet. You can't even get a single 3rd Strike board for that. What he got in a $2000 computer cabinet + $200 per cabinet in licensing would have cost him 10 of thousands more with the game per board system. Capcom, SNK, and all the other companies also made good money because the difference in cost between selling 1 license and 50 licenses is much smaller so it's raw profit. The profit margins are still better than the high cost of single arcade board.

You ask if there's any tournaments running. The guy on computer 37 started up a Street Fighter 5 tournament on the LAN. They're trying out the new patch capcom released. Dan Jr had a insta-dizzy combo that made him incredibly broken. They got rid of it in the PS3/360/PC release along with other tweaks and they patched the arcade version so the console versions are still arcade perfect.

You start up SF5 and join the tournament hosted on Cabinet 37. While you wait you mess around in training to warm up. "Here comes a new challenger!" and now the tournament script is under way. Once the tournament over people start having some more casuals matches to see how the changes effected the game. Now people aren't using the same 2 characters over and over again.

You want to change you game and you look through the huge list of mass licensed games. Then you start up KoF 98. You spend an hour some casual matches, then you notice there's a strong Garou 2 presence tonight. You boot into G2 you guys have a mini tournament for that.

After getting your ass handed to you, you feel like some old school gaming and start up SSF2T. You rest of your time there just fighting random people online from their homes and their arcades. Midnight strikes and the Street Fighter VI demo is good to go. 20 minutes later your girlfriend start nagging you because she starting to get tired of playing metal slug. You head home and after she goes to sleep you go on Live/PSN/PC and continue battling your friends at the arcade.

I don't know the exact practicality of all this, but guy can dream can't he?:sweat:

With less costs/more profit for the arcade owners/game publishers and a better experience for gamers, switching to LAN style model is win/win/win.


I quoted the whole thing in hopes that people read it.

Anyway, you can add this: How much does one stick cost? (Times that price by two of course.)

Then, how often does that thing break down?

Now, how hard is it to plug in a USB keyboard?

Keyboard vs. stick? Hands down it's simpler to work with a keyboard. New cabinet, no sticks? Pretty cool.

[breakinmunkie]

Yeah. Releasing it in arcades and adding online play on the consoles would make no business sense whatsoever.

SO DAMN TRUE...

i wish they'd put the game in the arcades - but what's the use if you can hop online and play without leaving your home! we're soo lazy!

[goodm0urning]

SO DAMN TRUE...

i wish they'd put the game in the arcades - but what's the use if you can hop online and play without leaving your home! we're soo lazy!Q. Why go out to theaters if you can just watch movies at home?

A. You're not there just for the game/movie/whatever... you're there for the experience.

That, and it's some kind of socialization, so your pasty ass isn't rotting in your house 24/7.

[kurokuma]

Q. Why go out to theaters if you can just watch movies at home?

A. You're not there just for the game/movie/whatever... you're there for the experience.

That, and it's some kind of socialization, so your pasty ass isn't rotting in your house 24/7.

AMEN and in the arcade you are 100% defiantly going to have a lag free no excuses kind of match.

i don't think everyone would just stay home to play it.

[ElderGOD]

I always play on arcades, I can never figure out consoles (actually I can but not comfortable), they have rest of the buttons like on the sides and no arcade stick -> fail, but lately I'm getting annoyed that there is no space between player 1 and player 2, and there is usually some scrub who is very overweight and takes up like, both, player 1 and player 2 side (no joke).

[ringopan]

i think one of the key reasons arcades are still alive in japan, but dead in america is because americans depend on PCs, whereas japan prefers the use of cell phones.

us americans love sitting at home in front of our PCs, and have gotten quite used to everything being a mouse click away (including gaming with other people in a "social" environment). japan on the other hand is a mobile society, with the prevalence of advanced cell phones and good public transportation, and naturally, arcades are still social hubs over there as they once were over here (before the internet revolution).

not to mention the whole proximity thing. if you live in a small city in the us, chances are you won't have a local arcade, or one anywhere near you. in japan an arcade is usually within accessible range.

to revitalize arcades, sf4 will have to be MORE than the best fighting game ever made. don't underestimate the laziness of the casual gamer. to get the masses out of the house and back to the arcades, it will have to be the best video game EXPERIENCE on the market, and available ONLY in an arcade as sf2 was. however, making sf4 arcade exclusive fails miserably as a business model given the current state of things.

they just need to put the WINNERS DONT DO DRUGS screen at begining of arcade games again... yes...that must be it.....the only way to save....arcades.....

[Judgment Day]

to revitalize arcades, sf4 will have to be MORE than the best fighting game ever made. don't underestimate the laziness of the casual gamer. to get the masses out of the house and back to the arcades, it will have to be the best video game EXPERIENCE on the market, and available ONLY in an arcade as sf2 was. however, making sf4 arcade exclusive fails miserably as a business model given the current state of things.

they just need to put the WINNERS DONT DO DRUGS screen at begining of arcade games again... yes...that must be it.....the only way to save....arcades.....

The 'exclusive' part between either arcade or console probably wouldn't work as well. Exposure (not to mention money) plays a factor as well as proper timing between all regions (Japan/US/etc) and areas. I do agree that SF4 has to pull off something that no game has to offer or has ever attempted.

I hear you on that Winners Don't Do Drugs screen. :) I know I'm as good as there if that returned...!

[Ashenwraith]

I don't think the game will have much influence on the arcade scene.

The reason arcades fail is not just bad games, but also other conditions are broken:
non-functional stick/buttons
crowded
no ac and/or smells
arcade eats quarters
arcade owner is a jerk
etc

Also location, not everyone will travel to the middle of nowhere for who knows how long to play a game with the conditions mentioned above when they can play on console where they want when they want.

This is pretty much the same reasons for me plus I got a 56 inch HD TV with surround sound and 2 couches that comfortable sit 10+ Why go to an arcade?

Also a lot of random people at the arcade are just ghetto sh*t talkers who suck.

I suck too, but I've pretty much beaten all the random people I've met because they are what I call 'move' players.

They can do all the moves, but they can't time them and thus can't fight so you just wait to punish everything they do.

The only chance I see for 'arcades' to come back is if they team with net cafes and put these games on pcs.

It's cheap, and you can always use the PC for email/whatever when no gamers are around, but still netcafes are dying in countries where broadband is cheap/widely available.

I'd rather be at a net cafe with the counterstrike/fps junkies than an arcade with all the ghetto kids and ddr losers any day of the week.

[SuicidalGrandpa]

It better freaking be on home consoles. There's one arcade here, miles and miles away, and it's practically going out of business. They don't even have a 3S cab. I need the online play to get my fix, regardless of what ya'll arcade elitists think. Some of us just dont have the option.

As for it reviving the arcade scene, I would say no. The mentality has gone from arcades to consoles to hardcore here in the states.

[ShYtFaCe]

There was a time when arcade machines were more powerful than home entertainment systems, and there wasn't some type of console sitting in almost every living room. SF3 was released before the PS2 even hit shelves. Nowadays it just wouldn't make sense to do a side by side arcade/console release.

Based on Capcom's recent releases; Lost Planet 360 exclusive, SF2HF on XBLA, Turbo HD remix, Sony losing DMC4 as an exclusive, it'll probably be a multiplatform release with a focus on 360/XBL.

Personally, I'd like to see online play become the focus of the game, with heavy stat tracking, scoreboards, replay saving/uploading and downloading, match spectating, and e-tournaments. Organized events like Evo are nice, but it'd be really cool to see them branch out to like an "Evo Online" subtourney where people that can't make it out to Vegas or wherever can still compete from home. Not necessarily for prizes and shit, but just fun/casual.

The ability to patch the game is a welcome feature too, I know bugs sometimes become integral to gameplay like roll canceling, but they could at least fix all the graphical glitches that every fighter has had since the beginning of fucking time, then leave game/balance issues up to the community to be changed/left as is.

[Dencore]

Q. Why go out to theaters if you can just watch movies at home?

A. You're not there just for the game/movie/whatever... you're there for the experience.

That, and it's some kind of socialization, so your pasty ass isn't rotting in your house 24/7.

Exactly, this is why I never understood why online gaming is so "amazing" in fighting games.

Play "Arcade" mode you're just sitting in you room in the dark playing the game.

Play "Online" mode you're just sitting in your room in the dark playing the game.

[Jeesup]

crowding around with a buncha people, screaming and jeering, seeing your opponent in person.. this should be the only way to play.

and whether you win or lose, you take it face on. people don't want that. they wanna hide behind their screens and play under some handle which no one'll know, and when they lose, all they need to do complain about lag, log out.. and that's it.

you just can't replicate the feeling of the arcade enviornment... and thats what makes me so so sad about online play

[two2tone]

release arcade version.... wait like 1 1/2 yr later and release console... i doubt it though... people are too into initial and ddr...

[starlegions]

The arcade scene is dead because we can have more power at home and the ability to play online. The arcade can only get you local competition, but with online play you can challenge the world.

[Half-Ro]

The arcade scene is dead because we can have more power at home and the ability to play online. The arcade can only get you local competition, but with online play you can challenge the world.


2 things:

1. theres nothing like whooping someone in person :rofl:
2. Untill there is a lagless experience (ggpo is great) then, i dont see fighting games gaining popularity online for competitive players. You cant play competitive w/ lag-tastic matches.

[True Grave]

No it will not. The street fighter community is to small. The majority of people at arcades are kids who wanna play skee ball. And you know arcade owners can give a crap if controls ever work.

This is true in my case sadly, at my local arcade the MVC2 machines are always broken in some way. Lazy ass repairmen don't come around often, regardless of how easy it is to fix this shit :sad:

[CountingGardens]

You know, I don't think anything can really "revive" the arcade scene, it has definitely come and gone (For the most part). Seems like the only place you can find an arcade is a big city, or near the city. The closest one near me has a bunch of machines (VF3, SFIII:Second Impact, CvS2, MvC2, Tekken 4 and 5), but most of them are broken, because no one really cares enough to fix them since theres no serious competition. The only people that even touch those machines are bored people who smash the crap out of the buttons and rotate the stick to death, so essentially the machine is dead.

That and fighting games themselves seem to be a dying breed. I dunno, I've always preferred fighters to shooters because I think it involves a higher level of depth, but I don't think the common gamer wants depth anymore.

But, I'm going off topic, arcades from my viewpoint, are dead, I only visit them to play pinball, I can import and play fighters on my TV at home, so meh.

[ringopan]

if it MUST be online, they should charge 25 cents every time you lose to someone and press start to play again :smokin: .... jk. but thats a great satisfaction of beating up scrubs in an arcade, and a great motivation to keep winning.

they should also have an online betting system where you can sidebet on matches and propose money matches. its inevitable that money matches and sidebetting will become a big part of the sf4 community... might as well make it an offical part of the game. of course online gambling is a gray area...

[TrueSephiroth]

My problem is that the closest arcade to me now is 2 fucken hours away...so honestly, I don't see how I will benefit from it considering I haven't had a decent arcade stand close to me since 2003.

There's no damn way I'm going to waste 2034982309482 dollars on gas driving 2 hrs a day to play competitive competition when I have so many other things to do. However...my buddy is looking into starting his own arcade here where I live, which would be just in time for Street Fighter IV...so "maybe" I might luck out..but we'll see.

If anything, it will revive the scene, but most likely only in the bigger cities. I highly doubt you'll see shit like what you saw back in 1991...now those where the days.

[Judgment Day]

However...my buddy is looking into starting his own arcade here where I live, which would be just in time for Street Fighter IV...so "maybe" I might luck out..but we'll see.

If this happens, let me know. Thanks.

[spudlyff8fan]

My problem is that the closest arcade to me now is 3 fucken hours away...so honestly, I don't see how I will benefit from it considering I haven't had a decent arcade stand close to me since 1996.

Fixed to apply to me.

[Avery]

If the game didn't cost a dollar to play, and the place wasn't crawling with little kids, I'd go to an arcade.

This would only apply if there was actually an arcade where I live.

[ElderGOD]

Another reason why arcades were popular back then is also because they were cheaper.

Now consoles are much cheaper relative to the price of arcades and offer more.

I think major changes have to be made in the design of arcades to greatly reduce their cost and maintenance.

[ringopan]

capcom needs to form a partnership with 7-11 to put a sf4 machine in every single 7-11, and replace those simpson's squishees with blanka juice smoothies. its not like a sf4 cabinet HAS to be in an arcade... im sure most people have 7-11s close by, and its a place where lots of teens hang out and eat nachos heh heh.

[Ashenwraith]

capcom needs to form a partnership with 7-11 to put a sf4 machine in every single 7-11, and replace those simpson's squishees with blanka juice smoothies. its not like a sf4 cabinet HAS to be in an arcade... im sure most people have 7-11s close by, and its a place where lots of teens hang out and eat nachos heh heh.

Not really - that's where all the ghetto people go.

I also seriously doubt the Indian guy running it is going to fix or take care of the machines because they like Dhalsim.

I mean seriously, if you go to 7/11 the people generally want you to buy your stuff and leave asap so they don't have to keep watching you in those cramped quarters.

They could have a full VR simluator of A2 at 7/11, but there is no way in hell I or anyone I know would make 7/11 their 'hang out' spot.

And that was in High School - i'm 24 now and anyone around that age who isn't a complete loser is not going to be 'chilling' at their local 7/11.

Damn man... 7/11... did you take your prom date to a Motel 6?

I mean f*ck were talking 7/11 where you can barely see the POS metal slug screen they got there because of all the names carved into it.

The only thing you'll get playing games at 7/11 is A.I.D.S

[Silks]

I also seriously doubt the Indian guy running it is going to fix or take care of the machines because they like Dhalsim.


:rofl:

[lomo the kid]

I think before the question in the topic title, there should come another question first.

Is this game made for that purpose? Does it want to revive the arcade scene? (After this question poeple can argue if it then can realize his goal.)

Just my thoughts about this.

[Ashenwraith]

I think everyone realizes the purpose of this game is just to make Capcom $$$$$$

[EVERDRED]

i think all the ghetto people playing sf4 is what will revive the arcade scene... i mean look at.... i won't finish that thought... i mean in that game its highly competitive and even if u dont play the game people understand it enough to be willing to put money on it cus its that entertaining to watch whats going on.

sf4 doesnt need to play like that game but its gotta look that great and when someone is losing its gotta look like a real ass kicking it has make u wanna root for the underdog and the tactics used to own someone hard gotta look good to the average joe smo NOT in the arcade but walking down the street pass the machine not even looking to play the game.

if sf4 does that....

[ElderGOD]

sf4 doesnt need to play like that game but its gotta look that great and when someone is losing its gotta look like a real ass kicking it has make u wanna root for the underdog and the tactics used to own someone hard gotta look good to the average joe smo NOT in the arcade but walking down the street pass the machine not even looking to play the game.

if sf4 does that....


This is why I like Marvel.


In sf4 there needs to be something that can be worthy of an evo moment.

Also, I want a new game for sf4, I don't want another ST or 3rd Strike but with better graphics.

[Cen]

I've been working in the coin-op business for more than a decade now and the answer is "no", it won't revive the arcade scene. The arcade scene is dead/gone and what remnants of it, has become the "family amusement centers" (e.g. Dave & Buster's, ESPEN Zones, etc...). What will bring back the arcade scene is not just a game(s) but the manufacturing companies of these games. If these companies came back to America, then yes, there is a slim chance that the video game industry might be revived. As far as SF4 goes, if popular enough, you'll probably at see it at your local mall, bowling alley or pool hall.

[SSJGouKi]

these threads are always coming out everytime something unique happens. Lets settle this already, like someone else said. The scene has come and gone. Fighting games had there time. It will never come again. The dead arcade scene doesn't help either. You can dream it, but in reality the cold hard truths are there.

[FOZ]

Arcades won't be coming back. It's just not going to happen. But I don't think that's even the purpose of Street Fighter 4.

[SwmmrManShen]

I think everyone realizes the purpose of this game is just to make Capcom $$$$$$

you realize that capcom is a business and any business needs to make $$$$$$

you guys realize that the earth is round and we all need to breathe right?

[FOZ]

omg no wai stfu.

The point of every game is to make money. But there can be more than one point to making a game.

[COMMONSENSE]

No i dont think nothing can revive that seen. Online destroyed the arcade seen even though i dont consider it better it does allow you to play people you never get a chance to play. Thing I dont like is that because of online (youtube included) people just copy other people and know one comes up with there own unique style. That the great part you go to a arcade an a dude style completely different than yours it makes it more interesting.

[trizznilla]

no one game is gonna revive the scene. The industry as a whole needs an overhaul, starting with the machines themselves. They need flatscreens instead of crts so they don't take up as much space. Headphone jacks so they might actually get placed in coffee shops and lounges. The kicker with arcade machines is maintainence. Any ideas on how to combat this?

[bodler]

yes if it aint 3d...

[Hydra632]

Just get Capcom to put a SF4 cabinet at the DMV in every major city.

[ElderGOD]

Arcade scenes don't get revived by people staying at home all day in front of their computer and making random threads, they get revived by, guess what, actually going outside and going to an arcade or whatever place that has an arcade and actually putting quarters/tokens in them.

[Nori]

The fact is this: Everybody talks about arcade this and arcade that. Why would Capcom make an arcade when in North America, most people want to buy the game on console, have gatherings there, and play online instead of pumping in quarters, playing on sticks that aren't your own, and standing in a crowded area?

We have killed arcades. I will be shocked if Capcom makes an SF4 SF machine, then gives us console with online play

[MathIsDelicious]

It'll probably make some people make custom cabs, but it won't spark interest to people who weren't into it before. A normal person would be like "SF4? i thought they made like.. 10 of those already."

[bodler]

It'll probably make some people make custom cabs, but it won't spark interest to people who weren't into it before. A normal person would be like "SF4? i thought they made like.. 10 of those already."

yeah

[(ÊlitÊ)]

Street Fighter 3 didn't revive the arcade scene...so I doubt 4 will.

Besides it'll be ported to some home console at some point.


In japan it's all good with arcades. Damn Europe just sucks.

[VariantX]

Everyone wants to use their gas money to drive out to an arcade just for the honor of putting in a few quarters just to play for about 30 seconds and being send to the back of the line just for the honor of doing it again. The scene is dead and its not coming back. Its hard to enjoy yourself when you're losing hard-earned money.

[KING]

no one game is gonna revive the scene. The industry as a whole needs an overhaul, starting with the machines themselves. They need flatscreens instead of crts so they don't take up as much space. Headphone jacks so they might actually get placed in coffee shops and lounges. The kicker with arcade machines is maintainence. Any ideas on how to combat this?

easy. kill all the bitches banging the machine. :rofl:

[shatterstar]

easy. kill all the bitches banging the machine. :rofl:
then that means a lot of dead mexicans....

two birds, one stone...

*just kidding*

[Dencore]

Aren't traditional arcades dead in Japan also?

[hellhound]

It would be great to have SF4 at the arcades. Though I remember reading an article stating that capcom will be leaving the arcades because it's just too expensive to make cabinets.

[BisonSFIV]

Now that we know SF4 will be in the arcades...

Do you think SF4 will be included as a game in SBO from now on?
It would be great, to see professionals from SF3 and ST get pro at this game, as well as new comers.
Perhaps in SBO 2009? That should be about 1 year's time to prepare.

[TTZ231]

Just buy the game and support capcom.

They made CFE.

Do they really deserve support anymore?

[stupid_nerd]

I'd like to think age is something that prevents many old hardcore fighter fanatics from going to arcades, taking my neighborhood as an example. Right across the street to the local arcade(Fun Factory), is an elementary school, middle school, and high school. Its the reason why that particular arcade hasn't died yet.

Never checked the scene though and never will, just imagining the embarrassment from kids, teenagers, and adults stereotyping arcades and games in general for kids. And thats only one area, any other place probably shut down their arcade business.

Instead of reviving the arcade scene, the devs and community should organize tournaments professionally like how pro sports do it :razz: with cash prizes, and through lagless online play is the way to go in reviving the fighter scene. Heck, even racers, car combat like Twisted Metal 2(fock you TM:B lovers) or CyberSled or Virtual-On, shooters like Ikuraga with time attack and high scores, FPS's and what they're doing now, and just about anything that can make it worthwhile to play more than an hour a day with only petty gratification, but instead of that, hook up the best players with cash or something :pray:

As of right now, we're still a ways away from ever experiencing true lagless online networking worldwide. So that LAN arcade idea would be a great thing in the now. Maybe places like this can afford to have super online download/upload speeds that would make lag a non-issue.

If there was such a thing as my idea, I bet videogaming in general just might become bigger of a giant than it is now.

[AlphaDragoon02]

Aren't traditional arcades dead in Japan also?

They're on a decline. Bandai Namco's blaming dat Wii for it. :rofl:

[Striderhyru05]

I dont think it will be in arcades because most gamers now dont like the 1v1 thing..they need FPS with a million grenades going off to be amused.

[Inafune]

I would have to agree that unfortunately I don't think it can bring back the arcade scene. As other have stated I think it's a hard task for one game alone to do such. I honestly can remember having fun times playing against others at the arcade, and am sad to see it dying. Sadly though, being able to play the same games on the home consoles has put the nail in the coffin so to speak.

[Azrael]

I feel that Ono is trying to revive the fighting game scene...at home. Especially if you read his last interview, where he talks about arcades and how after a while, they become really clique and its hard/impossible for newcomers to break into that. If SFIV can provide for a good, lagless experience, and feature a way for players of the same skill level to match up with each other, then I think its got a good shot at bringing back the fighting game genre.

I think that the success of online FPS, and to some degree XBL, just shows that gamers are still hungry for competition. The problem with fighting games is that most haven't had good online support - where timing and button inputs are crucial, even just a little lag can make the experience frustrating. If SFIV succeeds, then perhaps other companies will follow suit and not only produce a fighting game, but build it around the online experience.

The arcade itself is only a concept. The idea - challening other players in a direct test of skills - that's still alive and well. The conditions have just changed, and fighting games haven't been able to keep up until now.

[TrueSephiroth]

The thing is, arcade scenes are pretty much dead unless you live in a big time city, or if you just happen to have an arcade stand near you that's still decently alive.

However, here where I live, if I was to go and get solid arcade competition, I would have to drive nearly almost 2 hrs in order to find good arcade places. That is complete garbage for me now, considering gas prices and time put together, do not bold well for me.

I would obviously love to see the arcade scene rise up again...however, most of us will just have to be honest now. That time within the early 90's to mid 90's was extremely special, and most likely, we won't ever see something like that for the arcades ever again.

Sad but true statement, considering more people would rather sit at home and get "lag online" play over the arcade cabinets. Not to mention alot of peeps are stingy when it comes to plunking in quarters to play now too.

For me, even with the release of SF:IV, I do not see a jump in the arcade scene. "If" enough arcade cabinets make it over to the US and reach good areas all over the US, you could "possibly" see a small jump and this saying Pre-Home Console Release.

Well it be near or like 1991 again...I highly doubt that.

Nothing will ever beat playing an opponent face to face and having next to you. However we have to except it now, home consoles is the wave of the future, or has been for some years now.

[SN3S]

The thing is, arcade scenes are pretty much dead unless you live in a big time city, or if you just happen to have an arcade stand near you that's still decently alive.

However, here where I live, if I was to go and get solid arcade competition, I would have to drive nearly almost 2 hrs in order to find good arcade places. That is complete garbage for me now, considering gas prices and time put together, do not bold well for me.

I would obviously love to see the arcade scene rise up again...however, most of us will just have to be honest now. That time within the early 90's to mid 90's was extremely special, and most likely, we won't ever see something like that for the arcades ever again.

Sad but true statement, considering more people would rather sit at home and get "lag online" play over the arcade cabinets. Not to mention alot of peeps are stingy when it comes to plunking in quarters to play now too.

For me, even with the release of SF:IV, I do not see a jump in the arcade scene. "If" enough arcade cabinets make it over to the US and reach good areas all over the US, you could "possibly" see a small jump and this saying Pre-Home Console Release.

Well it be near or like 1991 again...I highly doubt that.

Nothing will ever beat playing an opponent face to face and having next to you. However we have to except it now, home consoles is the wave of the future, or has been for some years now.

:sad:

QFT.

[dn3000]

it dont think it will revive the arcade scene, just rekindle the beat-um up/fighting game scene. Hopefully with the success of SF1V (?) and KOFXII (?) the console online arcade scen will get of its asses and realise its potential.

[Nokato]

The arcade scene is DEAD in the US, in the big scheme of things and always will be and there is no point to ressurrect the arcade scene with consoles being as powerful as they are. SF4 isn't going to make a difference. The game will do better here on consoles anyway.

[Vzamm]

80s and 90s exclusive...its dead

[kenshinflyer]

It would be great to have SF4 at the arcades. Though I remember reading an article stating that capcom will be leaving the arcades because it's just too expensive to make cabinets.

That's why SF4 will run on arcade hardware from Taito (Type X2). But, except if CAPCOM will employ some sort of encryption method, this will get emulated. That Type X2 is practically your average P4/Celeron D PC with an ATI/NVIDIA graphics card and Windows XP.

This is also one interesting reason to keep an eye on how SF4 will do in the arcades. CAPCOM never released a Street Fighter game on any hardware other than theirs.

As for the arcade scene, well, from where I come from, it's still alive. Though, nowadays, I prefer to play arcade games on my PC.

[crazydiamond]

I think the arcade experience is much more exciting than an online play one.

It was always cool whenever you went to a new city you could find the nearest place that had a street fighter game and see what the competition was like there.

With online gaming the only place you end up going is your own home! :/

I've got no problem putting dollars in to play SF, but if my local arcade dies I doubt I'll want to just sit around home and play the game as much as I would otherwise.

[COUM]

yeah

hey dude where've you been? what happened to 'street fighter 4 is definitely going to have 2d graphics'?

[SlothHands]

I Just hope that the arcade scene will be revived with SF4 like the good ol days.

Hell no. The arcades will never be like the good ol days. Except maybe asian night at D&B's. lol

[rukawa_kaede]

NO FUCKING WAY

stupid thread

[Gutter Trash]

what arcade scene?

[VariantX]

you have to have arcades in the first place in order to have a scene....

[Digitalbooty]

no......

[Dencore]

The arcade scene is DEAD in the US, in the big scheme of things and always will be and there is no point to ressurrect the arcade scene with consoles being as powerful as they are. SF4 isn't going to make a difference. The game will do better here on consoles anyway.

Pretty much. I mean how exactly can it push them further into popularity if they're pretty much all gone?

I mean it's as you said there is no point to them. Consoles have really caught up to them and let's not forget to mention the PC.

It's as I've said many times before, the arcade scene should transfer to local play. Instead of meeting up with people in the arcade have them meet up in your house in your living room with a 52" TV, an arcade stick, surround sound stereo system, food, and any choice of games you want to play. Its what I do.

[Ex0dUs27]

if anything, sf4's arcade version condemns arcade gaming further with the superiority of the console versions.

the question is will it bring arcadestyle gaming back into the megamix, in terms of the USA. USA is all about fps at the moment, but sf4 could potentially bring the underground fighting game community to the forefront.