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Goddess Fu-Sung
11-14-2007, 02:45 AM
After many years of collecting the "Japanese" Manga and scholarly study of the Street Fighter Universe, the follwowing is my hypothesis as to the events that will occur and make way into the next generation of the Street Fighter/fighting chronology. This is an intellectual thread so all videogaming historians that are still passionate about the SF Mythology I welcome great and honest feed back. Thus starts the annalogy...

Street Fighter 4 Cast:

-Mel Mastes (Ken's Son)
-Xiao Li (Chun.Li's adopted daughter)
-Sean
-Elena ??? -Perhaps-
-Ryu -thats a given-
-Ken -Duhh-
-Oro
-Gill
-Rose
-Q (The mystery finally unsolved)
-Sagat

- Mel Masters in Ken masters's son, and so as seen in Ken's SF New generation, Conclusion story, Mel was sparring with his dad. It is most likely that Mel is much older now and will make a big debut in street fighter 4 as to make a lagacy for Ken.

- Xaio Li (Small Plum -Direct Chinese translation) is mostly likely going to carry on Chun. Li's legacy since in Chun.Li's Thrid strike conclusion, Chun.Li realized her fathers true purpose and decided to continue his work. However among the 12 or so children Chun.Li adopted... "Xiao Li" would be her successor. Xiao Li has a power locked inside of her that gained the intrest Urien in 3rd strike; hensed her kid napping. Another truth:.. In "Capcom Fighting Jam" Chun.Li's ending conclusion shows the continued progress of her training on the 12 children of China. Xaio Li of course taking the lead as they all beat down a "Purse Snatcher" It will be interesting to see how Xiao Li will re-invent the moves of Chun.Li.

- Sean, he is the under dog of the SF 3 series and reminds me alot of Dan. What matters the most is that he continues to try despite his high loss ratio in the SF 3 storyline. He has a love intrest in Elena and seeks to make her his girl friend however that does not happen. SF 3 series is a story of "Rivalries" and continue self discovery. Sean is going through both experiences and so since he has yet to harness and develop his full potential. It is most likely he will mae quite another apearrance.

- Elena, Did she save her dying people? Who knows. Her rival in 2nd Impact was Ryu but honestly in the storyline her most rivaled fight was the one with Necro. They never state the conclusion and in the end both characters were seeking a virtue that would require them to fight beyond their capability. Elena is still new and in each game SF 3 incarnation she has been given a new move. It is sketchy whether or not she will return. Howevr it is the first time the graphic concept of "Capoera" has been rendered so beautifully in 2D animation.

- RYU, He really needs no explaintion, however, an in depth analysis is an in depth analysis.

In the street Fighter 3 series, Ryu has the same mentality just like in the Street Fighter 2 Series. He is always unaware of the "bigger threat". So In the 3 series, RYU faces the most and deals with the most, Gouki (Akuma) Oro, Alex, and then Gill. He has the most rivals, and since he is the "supposid" world warrior champion, of course there will be many to seek his defeat. Ryu's "Shin Long" which is Chinese for "New Dragon or True Dragon" depending on the tone vocal in Chinese speaking; is his signature "dragon punch" staple. Overtime in the all the games that move was getting tired. Thus led to his apparent defeat at the hands of Oro. Ryu's lack of creativity and Innovation in fighting is what led to his ridgit defeat. Which is why "KEN" will always appear and look better than Ryu. Oro who will train him intensively, will eventually teach him that his mind is the key to unlocking the mysteries of the universe. perhaps then, Oro would have to use both of his arms. In SF4, Ryu story will mostly continue where it left off. He will most likely be pursuing his destiny: to defeat his father "Gouki" and end the cycle of cursed violence. Ryu has yet to achieve any of his goals becuase he is still not yet ready at the spiritual level to face him in a manner that would allow himself the ability to block out "uncertainty" So what does the future hold for him in SF4?... a MALESTROME of truth to come.

-Ken, Well although arrogant and pompus, Ken could never give up being a Street Fighter because that is what he does. Because of this he is no exception to the rule. Because he is the mentor to Sean in the SF 3 series, Ken has to make an apperance in SF 4 for Sean to ever gain the ability necessary to surpass him.

-Oro, looked as though he finally would find more suspense and purpose in his life after finally taking on another challenge at his age and in his current position. Oro who becomes an intermediary in the 3rd strike storyline would soon discover the connection between Ryu and Gouki and aid Ryu in his quest to achieve his destiny. Oro is by far the only character in the SF universe to have discovered the secret to immortality, thus it have temporarily suspended his aging and perserved his youth. They say, In order to become enlightened and awaken spiritual ability... One most issolate themselves from society and the distractions around them. Which would explain Oro's hermit like look. Could he have been the one to defeat Gill.... Good question? Oro's position in SF 4 would be questionable if he even decides to take on another fight besides training Ryu.

-Gill,

Lets see where do I begin... OK, :bluu:

First things first, with the distruction of Shadaloo/Shadow Law, during the conclusions of SF 2 series, It was impossible for Chun.Li to completely desimate all of Bison's operations and all of his "Under Ground" Empire. However, the people that were still loyal to Bison to the very end would eventually work on his "Will" during the before and after math. They would continue to find a body for him suitable to continue his legacy and "rebirth" of that Pyscho nonsense. These people that banned together to implement this action were the last of Bison's minions. These people would eventually be "bought out" reorganized and become apart of a new organizational conglomerate known as the "illuminatti" many years later the illuminatti group would create a sector for disadvantage children to hold experiements on, and Gill was no exception. (Everyone still unaware of "Bison's Will" in action) He and his brother Gill would grow up on a chompound bent on technologically and mentally advancing the children. In addition to training them to believe that they are the key to shaping a "new world order" What the kids did not know is that only one of them will be selected and given that task. That one "selected" would then be chistened and treated as a messiah.

Gill who would beat all the Odds and surpass even his brother (Urien) would be led to believe that he was a God. As he would embody the characteristcs of wisdom and knowledge of the ages, his main task and objective would be to change the world literally to one where only Gods and Goddesses would reside. He would eventually select only the finest of warriors that were spiritually and mentally prepard to be physically altered. Granted that only he had the abilty awaken ones true fighting potential.

Gill is the only character in the SF New Gen. Series to work on ideals based from sciptures. His texts are all phrases and references, for the "Nogstic Gospels", "Bible", "Nostradomus" and other historian figures wrapped up in one with one huge arrogant ego and a fighting ability that was given to him technologically. His role in SF 4, I speculate he will uncover the truth and the mysteries of the "illuminatti"; their "Hidden Sector" and their ulterior objective to bring back Bison. SF4 is about to be a lot deeper than people think. :blush:

- Rose, why rose?.... At the end of Zero 3 it was Cammy White who destroyed the psycho-drive and because of this, allowed Rose to battle Bison on an equal playing field. Bison who was now extremely weakend after the psycho-drives disablement; not at full power, Bison would would fighting "for real" and his temporary defeat by Rose would render his body to assimilate with Rose's allowing them to become one. "It could be noted that this assiminlation could have been a side effect of the Psycho-drive nuclear reactor". However, Bison would fully take control of the host (Rose) unitl his minions could build him a better body suitable enough to contain his psycho energies.

As the host of the 2nd World Warrior tournament, Bison would inact his revenge on the people responsible for the destruction of the psycho-drive. During SF 1 Bison would begin his search to find the body that is suitable enough for him while at the same time looking for another body in which he can dispell Rose completely out of his system. Bison would fail in his aquistion to do so because Bison during the tournament finals would be fatally injured by Gouki who releases the "Shun goku Satsu" Raging Demon on Him"sending his soul to hell. With the tournament in Choas and no "real clear" winner Bisons body would be disappear, (taken by his minions). and as for the fate of Rose who was still assimilated to him is unknown and sketchy.

I speculate Rose to become the boss of SF 4 for a number of reasons due to her connection between Bison, the "illuminatti" and "Q" Rose is from her own under ground network "Roma-Gypsies" and since, the SF3 backdrop, the "behind the scenes" work was the "illuminatti" private group sector was to find Bison a host body. In the end, if Gouki really sent Bison's soul to hell, then a part of Rose is gone and the body that remains is mostly Rose's. Bison's control on her would have ended. How "Q" fits all into this is that he is ether "The preserved body of Bison/Rose" or is a test subject body for Bison/Rose. "Q"s objective is mute thus there are answers that need to be fufilled. In SF4 Rose will play a very big role in the storyline if my hypothesis is correct. My information should proove right on the button. :bgrin:

- "Q" Read the Rose speculation.

- Sagat, Fans want to see him in SF 4. He has an important role and a mission to finish completing. Bison's dead so he is not his little puppet anymore. I speculate Sagat is much older than Ryu and Ken, so his veteran-ship is much seasoned. Most likely during the SF 3 series Sagat could have been incarserated due to his involvement with shadaloo/shadow law during the SF 2 series. That could probably explain his absence in SF 3 series. :xeye:

NOTE: The following was my deep speculational and historical anylasis of the SF mythology and its conceptions as to how it will all play out during SF 4. All knowledge obtained were through Japanese scripts and original collections from Japan. All speculations were ideals based on the certain events played out within the manga and video game. If anyone would like to add on please do so. I'd love to hear what other speculations and historical concepts the members of "Shoryuken" have to say. This Goddess Fu-Sung of the Anime & Videogaming Universe!!! :razz:

nothingxs
11-14-2007, 03:23 AM
gouki isn't ryu's father

other than that, uh i really don't know i'm honestly more concerned with how the game is going to play, although if it ties up a few loose ends with the story i wouldn't mind that either

r3ko
11-14-2007, 04:08 AM
You should probably read the Street Fighter Plot guide FAQ.

coco_j
11-14-2007, 08:09 AM
Damn I didn't read all that, but you got a lot of stuff wrong man. Someone else will clear it up for you but basically all the stuff you got from the manga isn't considered canon.

Mixah
11-14-2007, 08:11 AM
weak

EveryFlowerFlow
11-14-2007, 08:33 AM
character thread..

Sano
11-14-2007, 08:44 AM
http://fightingstreet.com/folders/variousinfofolder/variousinfopages/streetfighterplotguide.txt

Even reading Street Fighter Eternal Challenge would be of considerable help. Also, Masahiko Nakahira's SF manga (most of it is available in English now with the exception of Ryu Final which is coming soon and a few rarer works) provide lots of insight since Capcom adopted a lot of ideas from them. It's important to get a... how should I put this... a 'feel' as to how Capcom does things with SF, the manga isn't exactly it but it will help take you there. It's at least something I think about when I write SF Fan Fiction, not saying I'm good at it or anything but I give all the above lots of thought, more than anything else. I apologize if you've read those works before. Again, not sure what SF manga you are referring too.

I still applaud you for all of your hardwork and sharing. Most of it is better spent at the Capcom Boards where it may / may not have influence on certain things, who knows.

vasili10
11-14-2007, 09:21 AM
After many years of collecting the "Japanese" Manga and scholarly study of the Street Fighter Universe, the follwowing is my hypothesis as to the events that will occur and make way into the next generation of the Street Fighter/fighting chronology.

NOTE: The following was my deep speculational and historical anylasis of the SF mythology and its conceptions as to how it will all play out during SF 4. All knowledge obtained were through Japanese scripts and original collections from Japan. All speculations were ideals based on the certain events played out within the manga and video game. If anyone would like to add on please do so. I'd love to hear what other speculations and historical concepts the members of "Shoryuken" have to say. This Goddess Fu-Sung of the Anime & Videogaming Universe!!! :razz:

Goddess Fu-Sung, since you admit to a scholarly study of the topic, would you mind listing your sources for me please? Elaborate especially on the original collections from Japan if you can. You don't have to bother with listing manga, because as you should know, any one of them as a whole is irrelevant today.

You also might want to change your topic's title to say Theory or Speculation instead of Analysis. The way you've worded it makes it sound as if you not only have the game already, but have also explored it to the brim.

Sano
11-14-2007, 10:35 AM
Going into more depth...

Mel, Xao Li - Going by how Ryu and Ken look in the SF4 trailer it doesn't seem that much time has passed after 3, for all we know it can even be prior to 3's storyline. Personally I'm not much more having kids grow up and become their parents. It doesn't happen in real life and it doesn't happen in manga/anime either a lot of the time. Best example that comes off the top of my head is Dragon Ball (Z). They all started out as fighters but at the end of the manga they've moved on to other things. Sometimes I think the whole "Let's take kids and make them into SF characters" is a cop out way to take people in the background and make them characters instead of coming up with brand new ones. It's not something I'm against, but it really depends on how it is handled. Just in a Fan Fiction sense, writing children that you yourself will age or taking two children and making them have a child is one of the hardest things to pull off. If it comes from the source, in this case Capcom people have no trouble excepting it. When it comes from you, there certainly is problems. Do you make them like their parents, a mix of both parents, how about their own distinct personalities? It's just difficult to pull off without making it sound like you are writing your own personal fantasy and not what's there. Stuff to think about I suppose.

Never heard of Sean being in love with Elena except for the Hong Kong SF3 comic, which you should pay no attention to AT ALL. Unless of course you want to marry off Ryu and Chun-Li like they did, I personally won't have any problem with that but I can't speak for the rest of the SF storyline peeps. :rofl: Of course I'm not saying Sean being in love with Elena couldn't be a new wrinkle or something that can be added. Never heard of Elena's people in any kind of trouble, this may be something I forgot about though.

A lot of the Ryu and Ken stuff goes into opinion so I'm not gonna bother with that one a whole lot. People in Japan prefer Ryu, people outside sometimes seem to prefer Ken. Both characters are made for different audiences. For the same reasons that Japan tends to prefer Nash/Charlie while we prefer Guile. I suppose it's a thin line but you should keep opinions like "This character is more interesting than that one" outside of any type of pitch. Even if you feel that way there are much better ways to word it that doesn't slight fans of Ryu. I will say this much, both Ryu and Ken have added things to their movelists, I would say again looking up SF Eternal Challenge and checking into their movelists under their bios is a quick way to learn that. In that regard it is harder to argue creativity and innovation without making it sound like opinion.

Ken already has given up being, a "Street Fighter." By this I mean doing what Ryu does, fighting people in the street. He has a wife, a child, a student, there are too many anchors for him to live Ryu's life. By SF3 Eliza only wants him to enter WW/SF tournies that Ryu is in. Of course he is returning, for his friendly rivalry with Ryu, for another reason, who can say.

Hard to say Oro had discovered the secret to immortality when he's only lived 140 years or so. Sure, that's a lot to us but to some other characters in fiction, let's say Darkstalkers (not they are in the SF-verse of course) he's a baby. Even Wolverine most likely beats him by 60 years. But, can't say that he didn't discover the secret or they just can't say he did... Typically when you are talking immortality you make the characters an age farther than what a human being might possibly reach if he is veeeery lucky... Say word I'll be posting long annoying posts when I reach 140 and if the orderly at the Nursing home tries to pull me away from the PC she is getting bopped in the back of my head with my walker gosh darn it! :rofl:

M.Bison is dead. Shadowloo is gone. Not saying there aren't ways to bring them back but I can only advise increasing your intake in American comic books because they do it all of the freaking time and it's not always an Elektra/Hand scenario that you are coming up with. Not that this is where you're idea is coming from but still, it's been done to... 'death' lol!

What you say about Gill is really good, I like it! :clap:

Rose is dead, even SFDevotion states that. Rose coming back to life requires a second 'back from the grave' on your part. Cammy's last name isn't White, she doesn't have a last name. I'm not sure where that started, if I would take a guess, I'd say it was the SF2 Animated movie and because that flick got a lot of things right everyone went with it. When Studio Udon asked Capcom of Japan about Cammy they said she has no last name.

Q, M.Bison/Rose - Kind of difficult. You mentioned CFJ before, if you go to the NY stage Q is standing on a rooftop. When Capcom wants to swap out characters they remove them from backgrounds when you pick them. They did it with Spider-Man/Peter Parker in MSH vs. SF. They were even joking around with the SF Live action movie and did it with Nash and Blanka in X-Men vs. SF, in the final stage if you pick Nash he is replaced by Beast lol! Doesn't happen with Q. Course, CFJ isn't exactly canon but stuff like that in my eyes makes things difficult to pull off. (Or at the very least when you do things like this it's really proof that you thought of this idea yesterday and it wasn't planned all along, never good IMHO to make it obvious). I'd much rather Q remained a mysterious character or they reveal very little about him. When you reveal too much about mysterious characters they lose a lot of their appeal. A great example is how Studio Udon handled M.Bison's origin, they answered some questions but not everything. If you want a bad example, look up Gambit from X-Men. Once they revealed everything about the character and took away all of the mystery, no one cared about him at all. But again, just about everything depends on the way it's handled.

Sagat left Shadowloo long ago, I doubt he'd be in jail or it would of been mentioned by now.

I suppose that's all I got... Thanks for sharing and stuff, I really liked what you said about Gill. Hope you don't take anything I said too personal, it's been fun. :tup:

tataki
11-14-2007, 10:51 AM
gouki isn't ryu's father


maybe he got that from another official source of info- sf vs mk#3

veristic
11-14-2007, 11:20 AM
You need an editor.

The Lone Dragon
11-14-2007, 11:54 AM
Going into more depth...

Never heard of Sean being in love with Elena except for the Hong Kong SF3 comic, which you should pay no attention to AT ALL. Unless of course you want to marry off Ryu and Chun-Li like they did, I personally won't have any problem with that but I can't speak for the rest of the SF storyline peeps. :rofl: Of course I'm not saying Sean being in love with Elena couldn't be a new wrinkle or something that can be added.

Doesn't Sean have a special intro where he sometimes hits Elena with the basketball? Can't remember which version of SF3...

But that could imply SOME sort of relationship...

Sano
11-14-2007, 12:37 PM
Doesn't Sean have a special intro where he sometimes hits Elena with the basketball? Can't remember which version of SF3...

But that could imply SOME sort of relationship...

Beats and Beats and Beats
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Beats meeeee....

Shinkuu Tatsumaki
11-14-2007, 01:58 PM
Doesn't Sean have a special intro where he sometimes hits Elena with the basketball? Can't remember which version of SF3...

But that could imply SOME sort of relationship...

Ummm..... He does that with every character doesn't he?

vasili10
11-14-2007, 02:49 PM
Ummm..... He does that with every character doesn't he?

Correct, and in all three games.

topknot
11-14-2007, 02:53 PM
fucking weirdos

nf0x
11-14-2007, 04:26 PM
For a minute I got caught up in the baseless speculations and thought I was on smashboards

Pablo_the_Mex
11-14-2007, 04:37 PM
This thread is HELLA gay.

Goddess Fu-Sung
11-14-2007, 04:43 PM
gouki isn't ryu's father

other than that, uh i really don't know i'm honestly more concerned with how the game is going to play, although if it ties up a few loose ends with the story i wouldn't mind that either

My reference for Ryu's father is my concept understanding of "Street Fighter Alpha" Generations. You should see that anime if you have not already. Carefully watch it, then you will see what I mean!!! :wgrin:

Goddess Fu-Sung
11-14-2007, 04:52 PM
The reagrding message is for r3ko
Big Smile Time Fan

I think your one line comment should have some back up. Please keep in mind that these are my opinions of what I think is too come in SF 4 by putting together the gaming story line, udon comics and other productivity such as drama CD's that are produced by "capcom " in the recording studio -Scitron-, As for everyone else, I'm willing to continue my debate with anyone who challenges me. Lets see how many people can cohearently UNDERSTAND JAPANESE. Although the SF Manga not the Hong Kong one but the first release paper back is old outdated knowledge. The drama CD's still hold weight. That in it's self require seriously sitting down and understanding dialogue that you can only hear and not see. A task not everyone is willing to do.

nothingxs
11-14-2007, 04:56 PM
My reference for Ryu's father is my concept understanding of "Street Fighter Alpha" Generations. You should see that anime if you have not already. Carefully watch it, then you will see what I mean!!! :wgrin:

we'll try that again

gouki isn't ryu's father

Bass X0
11-14-2007, 05:18 PM
My reference for Ryu's father is my concept understanding of "Street Fighter Alpha" Generations. You should see that anime if you have not already. Carefully watch it, then you will see what I mean!!! :wgrin:

Yeah, thats something that the movie writers added themselves. Having a concept understanding is to be able to sort out whats real and whats not.

I personally like to think that Mike the black American boxer from Street Fighter 1 is the same character as Mike the black American boxer from (Japanese) Street Fighter II and thats how I write my fanfics. But its official that they are completely seperate characters.

Goddess Fu-Sung
11-14-2007, 05:19 PM
Well you have your opinion and I have mine I'll rather just keep it like that. I'm not the type to be rude. It's not elegant.

Goddess Fu-Sung
11-14-2007, 05:29 PM
The extras on "Street Fighter Alpha Generation" show the behind the scenes making of the animation. In that fact they talk about their conversations with capcom and the back story of the whole Ryu and gouki past. Keep in mind that a story is not a story if there is no constant build on it as time goes by. That's why it''s called a story. SF has never been a straight forward story that's why I call it my personal "Speculation" or my personal "Analogy" this does not mean I'm correct in my efforts to decipher the Japanese way of telling a story clear cut free from confusion. Now that we have gotten that fact out in the open lets talk about your "concept" or your "analogy" of the story line. What's to come and so forth etc.

Going on about "How I'm wrong" or making unproductive statements online about my Writing is not helping the clearity. If you feel I'm so "WRONG" I'd love to a disertation or intraction from you. Or do you know what these words mean?

Pablo_the_Mex
11-14-2007, 05:43 PM
The question is, where does Shen Long factor in to the equation. Are we not supposed to defeat him to stand a chance?

Saotome Kaneda
11-14-2007, 05:54 PM
Keep the new chara shit in the new chara thread, and keep the "plot analysis" in the Comic area with the rest of the continuity-minded people are.


And I'll put this out there, you claim that the drama CDs have something to do with the series, but unless anything that happened in the drama CDs carry over into the actual game then there's no basis to it. I have a few and they're not exactly the most official of sources as to what happens in each game.