Should I get X-Men vs. SF and MSH vs. SF for ps1?

[Mowbs]

I'm aware that they are particularly shitty ports, even though I remember having a lot of fun with them back in the day. Basically, I'm kind of a completist, and I own a home version of virtually every SF game that was ever released except for these two, which I traded in years ago.

I don't have a Saturn, and I don't plan on getting one for these games. It's not worth it, and you can't play online anyway. There are a couple of things that are holding me back.

First, these games generally don't go for anything under $30 on ebay, which I assume is the cheapest place to get them. I think that's kind of expensive considerin their age. Second, if I do end up putting up that kind of money, I'm going to be pissed if they ever come out with an anthology or something.

So what do you think? As a collector, should I pick them up? Is it that unlikey they will ever be re-released?

[goodm0urning]

Uh, they're PS1 games, mang... they're never getting re-released.

I also sincerely doubt there will ever be an anthology for these particular versions. Their shoddiness is due almost entirely due to hardware constraints, and since hardware constraints are no longer an issue, there's really no reason to reproduce them aside from the two or three people in the world who would actually be curious enough to buy them.

Incidentally, between the two of them, XvSF is by far the worse. Even aside from the absence of tagging, there is so much dropped animation, and even the dropped animation can't compensate for the atrocious slowdown. Anytime Ken does the shinryuken, or anytime Juggernaut is on screen, the game slows to a crawl. MvSF at least attempted to fix these problems: you can tag if both players use the same characters, the slowdown is almost entirely gone, and the animation (for what it's worth) is acceptable, if far from perfect.

[Mowbs]

Uh, they're PS1 games, mang... they're never getting re-released.
Nah, I meant like re-releases of good versions of the game. What I was saying is if that is going to happen, then there would really be no point on hunting them down. But being that I only have a ps2, dreamcast and xbox 360, the ps1 versions are the only home ports available for me.

[Mowbs]

This question will sound horribly dumb, but do you need a Japanese Saturn to play these two games? I read that they were only released on Saturn in Japan.

[goodm0urning]

Unless you're a masochist, you'll never play them. And I doubt they're worth anything, so there's not much value in collecting them. Really, I wouldn't bother.

EDIT:

You either need a Japanese Saturn, a modded American Saturn, or an American Saturn plus a 4-in-1 cartridge that includes both additional RAM and the region bypass.

Incidentally, as far as I can remember, the Saturn versions were either arcade perfect or damn close.

[Demon Dash]

Saturn! Buy! Now!

[Mowbs]

Saturn! Buy! Now!
Yea, but then I gotta equip it for imports and shit. There's really no reason to own a Saturn besides these games.

[goodm0urning]

Yea, but then I gotta equip it for imports and shit. There's really no reason to own a Saturn besides these games.But these games are a pretty damn good reason to own a Saturn.

A stock Saturn will do, as long as you pick up the 4-in-1 cartridge for it as well.

EDIT:

Or, if you're really only interested in these games, a Japanese Saturn with a standalone RAM cart will do just fine.

[Tizoc]

Yea, but then I gotta equip it for imports and shit. There's really no reason to own a Saturn besides these games.

I got a thread filled with dozens of games worth getting a Saturn for...cuz the current emus either aren't 100% perfect or you need a supercomputer for the games to run perfectly.
...I want a Saturn that can run just about all the games T_T

[hanz0]

you are not willing to pay anything more than $30 on these games for saturn

son back in the day i payed more than 150 dollars for my saturn import version of xmen vs street fighter

and i payed even more for my Marvel super heroes vs street fighter:sweat:

seriusly the saturn versions are the best home versions released so far:wink:

[Mowbs]

seriusly the saturn versions are the best home versions released so far:wink:
unfortunately, only the japanese folks were treated to them.

[box]

Yeah... trust me.

If you get XvsSF and MvsSF for the PS... you will be very disapointed. It is that awful.

[BeaTs*]

super comboXXsuper comboXXsuper combo ftw

[Fir]

Yeah... trust me.

If you get XvsSF and MvsSF for the PS... you will be very disapointed. It is that awful.

I know I am. I wish I never sold my Saturn off. :(

[Mowbs]

How cheap do you think I can get a Saturn for with whatever I need to play imports?

[Rojo]

Only positive thing those two PS versions have going for them is that they are somewhat rare, from a collectors stand point.

I remember when EBGames used to carry the Saturn import games. Wasn't the price like $140 for XvSF?

[OJ4]

i remembered when they were carrying imports. wow i feel old, but anyways the price for it was pretty steep then so i know its even more now.

if you find the ps1 ports for a decent price then just get it and then just add it to your collection i guess, but if want it to play those games competitively then those arent the ports to get. the import saturn is the way to go

[akumachan]

from SMB:

To best answer your question directly, the answer is no. Don't buy them.

The game is super laggy, the sound is horrible and you can only choose the same two characters as your opponent has chosen.

Trust us, there's a lot of good games on the Saturn. If you're willing to fork over $60-80.00 for some really shitty PS1 Vs. games, spend $40.00 on a Saturn and get it chipped for another $20.00. The games will cost you a little more than the PS1 versions (make sure you get a 4 MEG card - comes with XvsSF) and witness the joy of a near-perfect arcade port of two excellent games.

I actually do not recommend buying a Saturn 4-1 or another swappable card called an "ST-Key Action Replay" card because they wear out the rear horizontal port behind the disc drive. That happens then you're screwed. NCSX will mod your Saturn for $20.00.

And for the record, I bought my import copy of XvsSF with the money I got from a refund on some x-mas presents I bought for a girlfriend that i was ready to dump anyways. It cost me $150.00, and I had to buy a fucking ST Key for another $50.00 to play it!

[Mowbs]

Alright, I just bout X-Men vs. SF for Saturn with 4mb ram for 28 bucks with shipping. I'm pretty stoked. Now all I need is that Saturn, haha.

[DS]

Not bad for a rare game AND you get the 4MB cart with it. I got all of my stuff for free(minus the white Japanese Saturn I purchased last year). You should also invest in Cyberbots and Vampire Saviour. Excellent games as well.

[Mowbs]

I actually do not recommend buying a Saturn 4-1 or another swappable card called an "ST-Key Action Replay" card because they wear out the rear horizontal port behind the disc drive. That happens then you're screwed. NCSX will mod your Saturn for $20.00.
What exactly is a 4 in 1?

[goodm0urning]

If I remember, the 4-in-1 includes both lockout bypass and RAM, so you DON'T have to swap cartridges. You only had to swap if you had separate lockout bypass and RAM cartridges.

All irrelevant if your Saturn is either Japanese or modded. You can just plug in the RAM cart and have no worries.

[Mowbs]

If I remember, the 4-in-1 includes both lockout bypass and RAM, so you DON'T have to swap cartridges. You only had to swap if you had separate lockout bypass and RAM cartridges.

All irrelevant if your Saturn is either Japanese or modded. You can just plug in the RAM cart and have no worries.
This will sound dumb, but can the Japanese Saturn play American games on it?

[goodm0urning]

This will sound dumb, but can the Japanese Saturn play American games on it?No. Not without being modded.

[Mowbs]

I don't know how to mod. I guess I'll get the 4 in 1.

[osotogari]

I don't know how to mod. I guess I'll get the 4 in 1.

the switch mod is very easy and it works better then the 4 in 1.

http://www.gamesx.com/wiki/doku.php?id=imports:sega_saturn

[Mowbs]

Ok, I have an American Saturn, the Jap game, and the 4 in 1 thing.

How do I play the game?

[Ubersaurus]

You put the game in, and when the gameshark menu comes up, simply go to play game without codes.

[Mowbs]

You don't need to boot it up with an American game or something? That was the first thing I tried and it didn't work for some reason.

[BBSF]

The 4 in 1 carts need a good connection to the saturn to work properly. I generally didn't push it all the way down, which worked best when I had one.

[Mowbs]

The 4 in 1 carts need a good connection to the saturn to work properly. I generally didn't push it all the way down, which worked best when I had one.
Yea, I've tried a bunch of times now and have had no luck.

[Jigsaw]

The 4MB RAM carts are infamous for being uncooperative, it's not unusual to have to reboot, take the cart out and plug it back in like 10 times before the game starts working. I've never used other Saturn carts but it's possible it's the same with the 4-in-1 cart.

[asianxcore]

The 4MB RAM carts are infamous for being uncooperative, it's not unusual to have to reboot, take the cart out and plug it back in like 10 times before the game starts working. I've never used other Saturn carts but it's possible it's the same with the 4-in-1 cart.

Definitely agree with that.

I have the 4MB ram cart that came with the JAP version of X-Men Vs. SF and it always takes a couple restarts to get it working.

[Mowbs]

So you folks are positive I don't need a US Saturn game to boot the shit or whatever?

I guess I'll have to keep trying. No luck as of yet.

[K-MaN]

For what it's worth, I've never had a problem out of either of my 4-in-1 carts aside from a freeze once or twice.

Mowbs, all I do is put the cart in, put the game in, turn it on, select to start the game, and play.

[lamewadd]

The game that got me into Street Fighter was Marvel Superheroes vs. SF.

Seriously, I was only into Marvel at the time and I picked it up for the hell of it, and it blew my face off. It was so ridiculously fun, and then I started to pick up Ken and Ryu. Then I picked up EX+Alpha and it got me into SF. Then I got into CvS2, then into KOF, then I went from there.

MSH is worth getting because it's ridiculously fun. The MAME version is better, but it's still lots of fun. Don't listen to the haters.

[moltron1st]

I'm in the same predicament as Mowbs.....I bought an American Sega Saturn about 4-5 years ago...brand new...from this Pawn Shop in Virginia called Cash Converters. Only found a few games for it....Nights, Virtua Fighter 2, and like 2 demo discs (yeah I know lame lol) but now I'm trying to get back into my 'ol school video game collection starting with my Sega Saturn. I don't care what folks say, if your a fighting gamehead then there's no excuse not to have a Sega Saturn lol. But anyway, I also purchased the Action Replay 4-in-1 not too long ago but honestly the fighting games I want to purchase, I just noticed that I have them on my MAME32....so I think instead of going thru the trouble of trying to find these games and trying aimlessly to get them to work, just get MAME and get the ROMS for them and get a usb converter so you can play them using your ps,dreamcast, or arcade stick. Its cheap and arcade perfect! And you can play online at that! Just something to consider thats all...I'm still trying to find some gems thats not on MAME that I can get on Saturn so I can understand if ya feel the urge to still collect lol

[OJ4]

I'm in the same predicament as Mowbs.....I bought an American Sega Saturn about 4-5 years ago...brand new...from this Pawn Shop in Virginia called Cash Converters. Only found a few games for it....Nights, Virtua Fighter 2, and like 2 demo discs (yeah I know lame lol) but now I'm trying to get back into my 'ol school video game collection starting with my Sega Saturn. I don't care what folks say, if your a fighting gamehead then there's no excuse not to have a Sega Saturn lol. But anyway, I also purchased the Action Replay 4-in-1 not too long ago but honestly the fighting games I want to purchase, I just noticed that I have them on my MAME32....so I think instead of going thru the trouble of trying to find these games and trying aimlessly to get them to work, just get MAME and get the ROMS for them and get a usb converter so you can play them using your ps,dreamcast, or arcade stick. Its cheap and arcade perfect! And you can play online at that! Just something to consider thats all...I'm still trying to find some gems thats not on MAME that I can get on Saturn so I can understand if ya feel the urge to still collect lol

yeah when i saw your collection that one time i was like O.o and i started to collect old skool games again.

[moltron1st]

yeah when i saw your collection that one time i was like O.o and i started to collect old skool games again.

Hells yeah yo! Get it!:woot:

[PsychoSquall]

I love my modded Saturn.