One thread for the new SF4 Info and Screenshot from 1UP

[The Mullah]

Were the new screenshots any different from the EGM screenshots?

they had 2 or so different ones of ryu standing there. they didn't look that good.

[agentz]

Not sure if anyone saw it or has posted this, but they are putting SF4 footage up on 1up.com on Dec 28th. They are having a Street Fighter 1up show special

[Dragonfave723]

Thanks for the head up, agentz. More info here:

http://www.capcom.com/BBS/showpost.php?p=449263&postcount=14

[Dragonfave723]

Interview with Daigo Ikeno (Capcom art director) is now up:

http://www.1up.com/do/previewPage?pager.offset=0&cId=3165156

[UltraDavid]

I never realized there was an issue with whether Chun Li's thighs were too thick. I feel like this whole SF4 process is as much an introduction to what fanboys or casual players think as it is to the game itself.

[CptMunta]

New update on the gameplay:

http://www.1up.com/do/previewPage?pager.offset=0&cId=3165157

It's also offical. First footage on Friday!!!

[str[e]ak]

New update on the gameplay:

http://www.1up.com/do/previewPage?pager.offset=0&cId=3165157

It's also offical. First footage on Friday!!!

awesome. thanks for the info. :tup:

[UltraDavid]

Man, I wish these companies would employ like, one person who really knows about fighting games, or at least that Capcom would let someone who really knows fighting games write about it. The stories I've read so far, being from casual players' perspectives, haven't been quite as illuminating for me as I would've liked.

[Nokato]

Man, I wish these companies would employ like, one person who really knows about fighting games, or at least that Capcom would let someone who really knows fighting games write about it. The stories I've read so far, being from casual players' perspectives, haven't been quite as illuminating for me as I would've liked.

I'm hoping Killian pushes to get people like Sirlin, Choi, Ortiz to offer input when the game is at a more complete point--and a beta test is held in the US.

[margalis]

Game sounds like an awful lot of meter management.

[chewmanfu]

Just incase nobody reads that 1up preview they said there is going to be a "actual video footage" on Friday.

[Sacr3D]

Can't wait till friday ! First video YES. We will finally be able to see if this game will be good or not.

[Ferdinandz]

Game sounds like an awful lot of meter management.


I thought the exact same thing..fucking hate that shit but oh well, we'll see on friday!

[J.D]

So this "saving" its like the invincibility you have when you activate for a CC in cvs2 or alpha series?

If so, wouldnt tha be more broken than parry (if parry is supposed to be broken)?
parry has to be low or high while an invincibility moment covers all the options

[Qro]

I hate Street Fighter 2

And i will hate Street Fighter 4...unless it has DUDLEY~

whos with me


(heres comes the negs)

[polarity]

So this "saving" its like the invincibility you have when you activate for a CC in cvs2 or alpha series?

If so, wouldnt tha be more broken than parry (if parry is supposed to be broken)?
parry has to be low or high while an invincibility moment covers all the options

pretty mind boggling that someone who posts on srk could have this poor an understanding of fighting game mechanics

[subt-L]

its probably because 3s only players can't understand street fighter outside of 3s.

remember when shoto dp's were completely invincible on the way up? yet, they were still never top characters in any sf2 game.

it sounds basically like the new dp, cept with more damage potential coming from meter management.

[epsilon_]

its probably because 3s only players can't understand street fighter outside of 3s.

remember when shoto dp's were completely invincible on the way up? yet, they were still never top characters in any sf2 game.

it sounds basically like the new dp, cept with more damage potential coming from meter management.

what are you talking about? ryu is the best character in hf, and hes great in ce too.

secondly, i play 3s, and i understand plenty about st.

[X-Static]

Ryu was high tier in ST, but it's not because of his shoryuken. It's his fireball game. O.Ken has the best shoryuken in ST, but he is mid.

[J.D]

pretty mind boggling that someone who posts on srk could have this poor an understanding of fighting game mechanics


I do understand other games I dont play 3s only. I posted that because of the million posts I saw about people bitching about parry on that thread that got closed, so how come they dont bitch about this.

[X-Static]

These moves might have invincibility at startup, but they may also be slow and easy to see. On top of that, if the move is missed, the player is gonna get messed up. A missed shoryuken is easy to punish. A parry is something entirely different. If parries had whiff animations (like ryo in KOF), then they would be comparable. Seems like the risk/reward in these new moves balances out somewhat. But that is just speculation.

[caliagent#3]

So this "saving" its like the invincibility you have when you activate for a CC in cvs2 or alpha series?

If so, wouldnt tha be more broken than parry (if parry is supposed to be broken)?
parry has to be low or high while an invincibility moment covers all the options


Supers have invinicibility, they aren't broken.

[Eduardo24]

I know I shouldn´t be asking here, but still... can someone give me a link of that thread where Viscant shits all over 3s? I really want to read it.

[subt-L]

what are you talking about? ryu is the best character in hf, and hes great in ce too.

secondly, i play 3s, and i understand plenty about st.
yeah, you're right about hf. i was mainly thinking in regards to the dp, but i forgot how good ryu is in hf with fb traps.

and even i play 3s... but people who only play 3s exclusively don't have a proper concept of risk/reward from defensive options, because parry can easily be your number 1 option in just about any situation and it carries minimal risk. making a case for something invincible being broken isn't exactly one of the smartest complaints in the world, expecially when that invicible move requires meter to utilize.

hell, it might still end up broken, but no one should be cowering at the word invincible.

[AKUMA2000]

Ono promises that classic stages will be reinvented to the delight of long-time fans. Stages such as Chun-Li's 'bicycle' stage will surprise players with its level of detail -- while not affecting gameplay, various objects in the background will be interactive or affected on some level. Passing fireballs may roast chickens or shatter barrels in their wake.

Capcom is looking to go all out when it comes to background stage interaction........i'm sure this is just the tip of the iceberg.:wink:

[Yurinka]

I love this thing of the interactive backgrounds, like in the original SF2 backgrounds. Also I like to see tons of people jelling in the background. I missed it in the lasts games.

Double/breakable backgrounds like in Marvel Super Heroes or Elena's BG (also seeing in DOA games) also would be appreciated.

[Nokato]

So like, is there a set time for this release of footage? Or is this some random crap where they release it at 7pm EST? I mean it's the night before there should be some specifics..then again I guess they don't want bandwidth to explode in 10 minutes or so.

[HolyOrderChipp]

Okay, WTF. 1up wrote some ridiculous things in their article, such as that GG IKs are "Game-Breaking".

Also, I sincerely hope the gameplay footage is NOT 1up scrubs mashing. I hope it's the developers playing a polished, skilled match. I hope without hope that we can see what the game is REALLY like, not just what total n00bs are like. How about letting Daigo and John Choi (Or any other pros you choose) play it?

[Yurinka]

So like, is there a set time for this release of footage? Or is this some random crap where they release it at 7pm EST? I mean it's the night before there should be some specifics..then again I guess they don't want bandwidth to explode in 10 minutes or so.

Don't know. I supouse will be released at the same hour than the other 1up show chapters were released, but I don't know exactly at what time it should be.

[goodm0urning]

Okay, WTF. 1up wrote some ridiculous things in their article, such as that GG IKs are "Game-Breaking".

Also, I sincerely hope the gameplay footage is NOT 1up scrubs mashing. I hope it's the developers playing a polished, skilled match. I hope without hope that we can see what the game is REALLY like, not just what total n00bs are like. How about letting Daigo and John Choi (Or any other pros you choose) play it?Don't get your hopes up. Isn't 1UP run by EGM's guys? The same people who have insisted on through the years that custom combos in Alpha 2 were practically ineffective and only helped scrubs look flashy?

Not to bag on them or anything. I used to be a subscriber, and found it very entertaining, until their review staff turned into a revolving door and became an unfunny imitation of its former self. They just aren't the best guys to go to for fighting game info.

[AKUMA2000]

So like, is there a set time for this release of footage? Or is this some random crap where they release it at 7pm EST? I mean it's the night before there should be some specifics..then again I guess they don't want bandwidth to explode in 10 minutes or so.

I was wondering about this too, but i'm pretty sure it'll be posted here in this thread before everyone starts dragon punching and fireballing each other....:rofl:


Also, I sincerely hope the gameplay footage is NOT 1up scrubs mashing. I hope it's the developers playing a polished, skilled match. I hope without hope that we can see what the game is REALLY like, not just what total n00bs are like. How about letting Daigo and John Choi (Or any other pros you choose) play it?

I rather Diago and Choi play it as well, we'd definitely get a good impression of the game from them then we would from total noobs....

[gozulin]

The game is not for the few hardcore players. Showing pros playing might discourage the scrubs from buying it. The hardcore fans wil buy the game anyways as long as it's decent, which Capcom fighting games usually are, and this one is guaranteed to be.

[Duckdee]

Personally, I want the video to just give an indication of the speed and fluidity of the game/graphics. So, to me, it doesn't matter who plays it.

[Nokato]

Seeing as its Friday, I'd like to see some footage...

[sixtymhz]

/me taps his foot

[Gaijinblaze]

Watch how they post the video 30 seconds after I turn off my computer, thereby keeping the tradition of me being the last to see everything.

[MiyagiShin X]

This is worth getting in trouble at work over, but i cant keep checking.

Where is this footage already...

[Yurinka]

At least we know it must be today:
So check back for our complete Ono interview next week -- oh, and the first ever video footage of the game on Friday.
from here:
http://www.1up.com/do/previewPage?pager.offset=2&cId=3165157

Also, in the past 1up show (just a week ago) said they will show today (28/12/08) a SFIV Special of the 1up Show:

http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3165147

They also mention they have 2 hours of interview and game footage. And someone says at the end appears a frame with Ken.
http://capcom-town.es/__oneclick_uploads/2007/12/sfiv1upspecial.jpg

[Nokato]

This is worth getting in trouble at work over, but i cant keep checking.

Where is this footage already...

That's what I'm doing right now. Although trouble isn't a risk--it's called "lunch time".

[whitecrowz]

15:49 here, still 2 hours before I leave work, I hope it appears before 18:00.
Anyway Saturday is good too, good to start the weekend with a SFIV vid :rofl:

[Digitalbooty]

Im sure it'll be later than sooner. :/

[Dragonfave723]

I think SRK will explode if the video released to the public.............:rock:

[Sexperienced.]

i couldnt login an hour ago because the server was too busy... i though you guys had the clip already.

[Nokato]

i couldnt login an hour ago because the server was too busy... i though you guys had the clip already.

Lol, I'm sitting listening to Vangelis- Memories of Green waiting for this clip to show up, and for some reason your post was pretty funny. With the snow on the site right now it just made it funny for some reason. Considering I think those cuntbeams are going to wait until 8pm like its some damn TV show. I swear if its a bunch of footage of Svenson talking, Ono doing a fireball I'm gonna caramelize someone's cat.

[Cody Travers]

Hopefully I hope their will be some gameplay footage today.

[Nokato]

Once again, they're doing this shit on purpose because for some reason people get off of making people wait for shit. They could easily post the footage on their site. Unless Capcom is physically giving it to them. Sad thing about it is there probably won't be that much footage for us to look at. It'll be some 5 min clip of one match or something. Which means they should just show it and get it over with.

[Bob Sagat]

Watch how they post the video 30 seconds after I turn off my computer, thereby keeping the tradition of me being the last to see everything.

So turn off your computer already! Some of us wanna see this shit you know!:rolleyes:

[Ferdinandz]

Maybe they plan to show the footage along the 1up show.

That would be fucking annoying.

10 seconds of gameplay CUT to their fucking faces 10 seconds more CUT 10 more CUT and etc.

[Yurinka]

This is worst than the SFIV teaser waiting...
http://capcom-town.es/__oneclick_uploads/2007/12/sfvfootagerl.jpg

[Nokato]

Maybe they plan to show the footage along the 1up show.

That would be fucking annoying.

10 seconds of gameplay CUT to their fucking faces 10 seconds more CUT 10 more CUT and etc.

Sadly, you're probably right. I posted on the website--but more than likely it will be camouflaged by "ZOMG!!!!!!!1111 SF4 is coming--I need a 360 HAY GAIIIIZZ diz iz Awesumz" or whatever cum receptable language they speak on that site. I mean if you're silly enough to show footage of a game that's 2% complete--there really shouldn't be any unnecessary hype built around it. It should just be shown and gotten over with. Like I said, unless Capcom is having someone physically deliver straight up footage to them, the wait and "hype" is retardedly pointless.

That being said, I'm starting to care less and less.

[Darklightjg1]

This is worst than the SFIV teaser waiting...
http://capcom-town.es/__oneclick_uploads/2007/12/sfvfootagerl.jpg

:rofl:
I think everyone within a 5 mile radius just heard me burst out laughing.

Shit I'm sick of waiting... I'm about to take a nap. Hopefully the footage will be up when I get up.

[whitecrowz]

Look at it this way:

We waited for this for sooooo long that waiting a few hours more or less is not a problem.

[Nokato]

So when does this stupid ass 1up show usually premiere?

[fallot]

We waited for this for sooooo long that waiting a few hours more or less is not a problem.

So I've had this cinderblock resting on my nuts for the last hour. I guess a minute more wouldn't hurt.

[ezekial45]

So when does this stupid ass 1up show usually premiere?

Usually between 10am-12pm. And it's not stupid. It is one of the better videogame shows.

[Nokato]

Usually between 10am-12pm. And it's not stupid. It is one of the better videogame shows.

EST or PST? Well, its bias but my opinion is that it's "stupid" mainly because I really don't care about any other game they potentially plan to report on that I don't already know about. I just want my SF4 fix, and I'd rather them get on with it as opposed to jerking off the hype machine...

[ezekial45]

EST or PST? Well, its bias but my opinion is that it's "stupid" mainly because I really don't care about any other game they potentially plan to report on that I don't already know about. I just want my SF4 fix, and I'd rather them get on with it as opposed to jerking off the hype machine...

Fair enough.

It's PST. Since the offices are located in San Francisco.

[Ferdinandz]

It is one of the better videogame shows.

Which isn't saying much :rolleyes:

[ruthless_nash]

CRAP! its 10.30 in san franciso already! :annoy:

[gozulin]

God damn them all! I was up until 4 am last night, checking periodically to no avail.

And now that I wake up, my heart full of hopes and my eyes full of stars, at 1:26PM EST (IT'S THE ONLY REAL U.S TIMEZONE PEOPLE! ENOUGH OF THIS BULLSHIT ABOUT PST! WHAT ARE WE? MEXICANS? NO! WE'RE AMERICANS! THE CAPITAL IS FUCKING WASHINGTON DC GOD DAMNIT! THE ONLY ACCEPTABLE RELEASE TIME IS MIDNIGHT EST ! I HAVE SPOKEN!)

So anyways, I hate waiting.

[Gaijinblaze]

So turn off your computer already! Some of us wanna see this shit you know!:rolleyes:
Easy with the rolling eyes there bro. I always interpret that thing as hate.

LOL. Just ran a few errands only to come back to no video?! I could probably draw a graph to show Nokato's fluctuating mood with each post. :lol: I wonder why they chose a Friday night too. Lots of people won't be home, especially during the holidays.

[ezekial45]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=9095851&postcount=1

It's up. It's around 600 MB though.

DL it while it's hot!

[gozulin]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=9095851&postcount=1

It's up. It's around 600 MB though.

DL it while it's hot!

God bless you! Let me kiss those full cheeks! *muackkk*

21:43 remaining @437 k/s

[ezekial45]

BTW, it is possible for the mods to rename this thread as the "SFIV Update Thread"?

[Shifty Nevers]

1 hour download.... this better be worth it lol

[cobra_waltz]

OMG

I got about 15 mins to go.

GAME OVER

Drop what you doing and dl this shit

[Yurinka]

just downloading....

[zippoKC]

i think this video deserves a seperate thread.

[cobra_waltz]

65% done...

[Nokato]

WTFFFF
This shit is taking an hour...it BEST be worth it.

[ezekial45]

SFIV Is Looking Glorious!!!!!!

[erikstanton]

2 moar minutes at 612 kpbs hurrryyy!

[Bob Sagat]

Easy with the rolling eyes there bro. I always interpret that thing as hate.

No hate intended dude.

Man, I can't wait 'till my download is ready....

[Digitalbooty]

I have 5 mins left using work's T3 connection.

[polarity]

animation looks kinda wooden, it definitely plays like a 2d game though

[ezekial45]

animation looks kinda wooden, it definitely plays like a 2d game though

Plenty of time to smooth it out. Still looking great so far.

[ezekial45]

If you can't DL, its here on their site.

http://www.gamevideos.com/video/id/16818

[Nokato]

Lolz I'm at 17% and I leave in an hour....roflberries. I may wait until I go home for real.

Well, I opted for the Gametrailers version (which is stuttering...) anyways, it was what I expected so far--all this montage shit...just show the damn footage. I'm sure my opinion will change in a few seconds....maybe.

[AKUMA2000]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=9095851&postcount=1

It's up. It's around 600 MB though.

DL it while it's hot!



Thanks, downloading now. :tup:

[zerog]

You don't have to download the video. They have it streaming here http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3165170

[Digitalbooty]

SF4 LOOOOOKSSS SOOOO GOOOOD!!!!1o'adhf;kosghdfl;kghadf

[erikstanton]

i dunno, i just wanna play it, or see an actual whole round :(

[FreshOJ]

Why download when you can stream? :)

Anyway, it looks pretty good so far, IMHO. The one thing I'm still a bit leary about is the Saving System. I wish I could've seen that in use a bit more, but...then again...if this is coming out in a year (or two years if that's what it takes to make it right), then it's wise for them to keep a tight lid on the info.

[ezekial45]

Just to let everyone know, the DLs on 1up/Gamevideos go up first before the streams. Thanks for posting the link zerog.

[Sacr3D]

Just saw the video, game looks good and thank god it plays exactly like other 2D games. It looks very fast paced. They said in the video the game will have air juggles ?? :confused:

Those 1up guys are stupid too. They say so many ignorant shit, like comparing SF4 to Soul Calibur, fucking idiots. And whoever said they will show 10 sec footage and 1 hour talk talk talk , yeah you're right.

[Ferdinandz]

Damn..the download is slow as hell and the stream keeps fucking up :annoy::annoy:

[Nokato]

From what I've seen, its going in a good direction. The camera only "tilts" in fixed situations and it doesn't distract from gameplay since it reverts back to a 2-D plane. I think my main issue right now (which isn't since its an inital build (2%)) is how the models look. I hope that in due time the models become closer to Ikeno's style and look less American...That is merely preference, I'm not bashing the game. I think they're doing an admirable job so far.

[Sacr3D]

From what I've seen, its going in a good direction. The camera only "tilts" in fixed situations and it doesn't distract from gameplay since it reverts back to a 2-D plane. I think my main issue right now (which isn't since its an inital build (2%)) is how the models look. I hope that in due time the models become closer to Ikeno's style and look less American...That is merely preference, I'm not bashing the game. I think they're doing an admirable job so far.

About the art direction I don't think it will change much. It even reminds me of SF3 a bit the way they move and all. I remember the first time i laid my eyes on SF3, I HATED how the models looked like, of course now I don't.

[Sousuke]

looks good so far. i was expecting worse. if thats really only 2% of the game i am certain it's going to rock.

damn, that asian guy was an idiot. comparing soul calibur with sf? wtf??

[FallingEdge]

I think the game looks real nice and has a solid flow to it. Still kinda iffy on the gameplay but we will see how that will turn out.

And there are two females. Chun Li and Cammy. Just sayin...

[JUDDERMAN_]

And there are two females. Chun Li and Cammy. Just sayin...

I think he meant original SF2 :wgrin:

The game looks great imo, the hate I'm seeing from people is really sad though. The game is still in development, probably early alpha phases, and people are already crapping all over it. Oh well, it's the internet and it's the SF community, what are you gonna do about it?

[J.D]

Ok did I hear right?
did he just say that there hasnt been juggles on an SF game :confused:


Jesus, I do juggles for a living with Yun :confused:

[TenorFighter]

Really looks good For a game that is early in development. Sounds like there are many complaints on how it looks from those guys. i like how it looks and the even the backgrounds are aneat touch.


So what if they are comaring it to Soul caliber. I like soul Caliber for what it has to offer. Interesting Characters and the fact that use swords and katanas and stuff like that is very appealing to me. Its different and visual stunning.

[KrsJin]

SF4 LOOOOOKSSS SOOOO GOOOOD!!!!1o'adhf;kosghdfl;kghadf

Amen. When I first glanced at it I seriously was like ehhh... but after watching more of it, holy crap. Looks tight as hell to me.

[Sacr3D]

Really looks good For a game that is early in development. Sounds like there are many complaints on how it looks from those guys. i like how it looks and the even the backgrounds are aneat touch.


So what if they are comaring it to Soul caliber. I like soul Caliber for what it has to offer. Interesting Characters and the fact that use swords and katanas and stuff like that is very appealing to me. Its different and visual stunning.

But it has NOTHING to do with SF4, not even CLOSE.

[gozulin]

Crossover jumping attacks are back.

I don't like the models . Not pretty and detailed enough. Fail!

Same for the mediocre fire/fireball effects (they remind me of EX). It's barely next gen, frankly and I expect a lot better from a game that only has 2 fighters and a background.

The animation looks good for this stage in development and I think they'll nail that.

The ultras look about as good as I wanted.

The gameplay looks good.

Verdict: 90% satisfied.

[MegamanXZero]

Wow man, that was awesome. I wasn't really optimistic at first, but after seeing it more I got all excited !

[Digitalbooty]

LOL at the dousche bags in that interview. Unfortunately, we have to listen to dudes who don't know what they're talking about until it's released.

[ruthless_nash]

man, those models are ugly as crap!

Having said that, i think theyre blatantly not the final ones. They might even use the models use in the trailer which were like 1000x better. Especially the detail on Kens face.

[zerog]

Crossover jumping attacks are back.

since when did they go away :confused:

[Zandwich]

little known fact about sf4: they used hulk hogan's body as the root for all the character designs

cant wait for HD remix!

[Gaijinblaze]

Kinda funny how out of all the people in the boardroom, the Asian guy had to make the worst comments. I know people have already mentioned this, but SC more technical and requiring you to be on the top of your game compared to SF? I guess people truly do feel rewarded for work they haven't done when they play flashy 3D fighters.

Pros:
-gameplay vaguely does look like SF
-background is good

Cons:
-character models aren't sitting well with me for some reason
-artistic direction does seem a bit off, could be the yellowish lighting in the video
-probably the fault of the players, but with the camera zoomed so close, it's hard to imagine any fighting at further ranges (yes I'm aware that's too presumptuous)

?:
-voice acting already done for Ryu and Ken?
-easier special move windows even compared to 3S which was quite forgiving?

Edit: I'm not trying to sound negative or rain on anyone's parade in any way. It does look good.

[zippoKC]

Street Fighter 4

hahaha, good one.

[CptMunta]

Damn..the download is slow as hell and the stream keeps fucking up :annoy::annoy:

Been having the same problem :sad:

Got to at least see a wee bit of footage before it crapped out. seen about five mintues of it.

[Ali M]

Damn... Ryu's on the juice.

[Kamui]

The character models have a number of issues right now. The rigging on the shoulders isn't right, which is really obvious when characters extend their arms outwards. Their overall design isn't working well in general. I think effects need to be applied to the models to help break up some of the smooth lighting, which doesn't at all currently look like the "moving painting" that Ono wanted the game to look like. Some very light lines could be added to the edges of the models, along with a few painterly textures to help break things up.

This I still a pretty decent start though. I like the dust and projectile effects. My only worry is that the look for the models is mostly finalized. Little things need to be done to improve the overall look. Game play wise, it looks like a 2D fighter, which is enough to keep me interested. Improve the visuals!

[AKUMA2000]

The game looks awesome, the detail in the background just makes your jaw drop with so much animation going on......i'm more excited than ever to play this game.

If this is just from 2% development, mouths will be watering and salvatating to see the finished product next year......:sweat:

[Gutter Trash]

I'm 1 hour away from the WMV download and about 3 hours away from the MOV download

but I the wait will be worth it according to you guys. Time to make the doughnuts!

[SHAAAADY]

:rofl:
Looks and moves like ass..sfEX4 indeed.

[Keits]

NONE of the download links or streaming sites are working for me. What the eff is going on?

[kyored]

I got the vid up here

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGuqh6v-gNk

[Keits]

I got the vid up here

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGuqh6v-gNk

Thank you!!!

Yeah, it looks like SF EX with better graphics (and even those have a long way to go). I'm sure it will be good (I thought SFEX was just fine back in the day), but right now im underwhelmed. And having to listen to the guys from EGM/1up hurt.

[King9999]

I got the vid up here

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGuqh6v-gNk

Thanks, man! It's taking forever to watch it at GameVideos. Someone rep this guy.

[KrsJin]

Hm, in that youtube version, at the 7:46 marker, does Ken do one of his feint kicks? Or is it just a flat out knee?

[Stranger]

Well, just like I was expecting. I think it sucks.

As far as the animation goes, there is no effort in making this game any different than the EX series. It's generic to the core.

/cries



By the way, you can probably get it full speed from gamevideos using a download manager (I did with Download Accelerator Plus).

[MiyagiShin X]

Thanks for the Youtube Upload. Watching the vid now.

[sixtymhz]

meh... disappointed. I'll wait till a more polished release.

[fallot]

Its impossible to listen to these 1up guys, they're incredibly annoying. Thanks a lot for the youtube link.

[X-Static]

Looks pretty awesome to me. The gameplay looks pretty good. It doesn't look like it plays like anything EX related. I couldn't give two shits about graphics.

[Sacr3D]

From all the bitching, I'm guessing some people here can make a SF4 game and sell billions.

[AudioCG]

Well considering just how early in development this title is, Im sure we can expect a great deal of improvement is the visuals department, still too early to tell for me.

[Henaki]

the gameplay looks exactly like it should, the visuals still need some touching up though.

[X-Static]

All I care about at this point is the gameplay. It's fast and looks like it plays like a 2D fighter at heart. It looks like a lot of fun as well. Street Fighter 2.5 (in a good way). So far, the foundation for a great game is in place, IMO.

[Gutter Trash]

hhmm the animation needs more polish. There seems to be allot of inbetween frames missing and the interpolation between key poses to key poses appear floating.

Ken's taunt is the most obvious as the animation that is the most floaty.

But, this is 3D. They can always refine their animations and make it look better afterwards and I hope they retouch most of the animations to make them feel more rigid than floaty.

[Eduardo24]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-IuPwIKQ1s

The gameplay is not EX at ALL. This game is actually fast.

[HuStLeMaN17]

I love the direction there going in but I do agree with the above poster, there are inbetween frames missing (of course that is to be expectded at this very early stage of development)

[caliagent#3]

watch the gameplay footage in slow motion

[Bob Sagat]

I definitely agree with the animation being floaty in places, but it also looks like something that tends to happen a lot when people animate fights: cool, snappy movement with strong poses when fighting, contrasted by floaty, weird movements when trying to act. The fighting looks alright, but it's such a huge difference when Ken taunts, or you see Ryu up close trying to... I don't even know what he's doing, but he sure looks psychotic in that shot.
And while we're on the topic of Ryu: his face looks different in every shot. They actually managed to go off-model with a CG character. I've heard about this happening before, but it's really quite glaring the way Ryu changes from every angle and with every expression. On the other hand, it's nice to see videogame animation where the animators get to push the faces more, in stead of just opening and closing mouths and moving the eyebrows around a little.
Still, when you're playing you're not gonna see much stuff up close, and the fighting looks pretty solid. The whole idea of being able to cancel four specials into one combo seems a little bit too much, but I guess we'll see what it'll be like when we actually get to play it.
Overall, I'm still excited and can't wait to see what the final product will look like. For something that's still so far from being completed it looks pretty damn good.

On a side note: I didn't know Michael Moore was so into games...

[Pablo_the_Mex]

Hey, it sort of does play like a 2d game! Graphics wise, it still looks like a shitty MK game.

[Eduardo24]

The animation is looking "jerky" is on purpose. When characters connect in SF there is pause . It HAS to be that way.

[Pablo_the_Mex]

The animation is looking "jerky" is on purpose. When characters connect in SF there is pause . It HAS to be that way.

Yeah, hopefully they keep it that way. It will differentiate it it from other 3d games like VF5, that game is floaty as hell.

[pootnannies]

yeah, the animation cuts out on purpose so it can start another one just like in 2d fighters.

[TenorFighter]

Too many complaints. As lonmg is it plays like the SF wwe love. Graphics are a minor part of the game. Visually it looks great for a game that is really early in development. As long as the core gameplay remains untouched I'm going to buy it. Aside from the new "Saving" and Revenge System so far it sounds good. I have a feeling the all 12 Characters from SF2 are going to be in with an addition of new Female Characters and maybe some from the Alpha series.

Although I think I would have to get either a Xbox or PS3. Not sure which one to get.

[Gutter Trash]

the comments on the animation are not about the cancels and impacts. It's about the moves in general. Ken's taunt is obvious that is still early early.

Like I said, in 3D you can always revisit the animation and improve them. So hopefully they will

[pootnannies]

overall, the game looks good. there are some things in that footage that bothered me. some of the animations looked real nice, while others were crap. and what's up with ken's pants? they're really long and baggy around the bottom half of his legs and super butt huggers on top. fucking annoying when i see that in video games. learning to model clothing is important

[Captain Ryu]

I'd like to see a match between 2 people that are at least decent so I can get a better idea of how its played.

Anyway the game looks like shit right now but it's early.

[elvis_a_presley]

:rofl:
Looks and moves like ass..sfEX4 indeed.
No parries, cancel out of anything anytime, offense-offense-offense, segmented super bars. Yup, it's SF EX IV.

I want to stay positive, but every time I see a bit more of this game a little hope dies inside.

[Eduardo24]

I disagree. It looks a lot like super turbo to me, but in 3d.

[margalis]

The animation itself seems fine to me other than the jumping animation but the art direction is a mess. Both Ken and Ryu look like roided up retards, like The Incredible Hulk at the Special Olympics. The faces looks terrible and the bodies are way too blimpy.

The design philosophy scares me, especially the idea that anybody can come back at any time by hitting two buttons at once. The idea that anybody can win at any time is the antithesis of a competitive game.

The nice thing about awesome comebacks is that they are rare and require a lot of skill. Making awesome comebacks built into the game on purpose is a bit silly. Yes, it works in Puzzle Fighter to some degree but this isn't Puzzle Fighter.

The fact that it is by the same guy who did CFJ is probably the scariest thing of all.

[goodm0urning]

No parries, cancel out of anything anytime, offense-offense-offense, segmented super bars. Yup, it's SF EX IV.

I want to stay positive, but every time I see a bit more of this game a little hope dies inside.Every time somebody compares SF4 to SFEX, a part of me dies inside. If everything else were exactly the same--the gameplay, the style of the designs, the animation, and everything else--none of you would say shit about SF4 being like EX if the graphics were rendered in sprites instead of polygons.

The graphics look exactly how I'd expect such an early version of the game to look. They're not meant to show you how the finished product will be; they're there to show you the direction the game is going in, and so far, I think it's going well. I wish they'd have gotten some card-carrying members of the SF community in on the video so that they could have their say, instead of a bunch of otherwise-intelligent magazine editors who only play SF casually, but I can put up with it.

At first glance, my major gripe would be that it looks TOO fast, almost like the game is being played in fast forward. But they did say something about the game being run faster than intended, so they could tweeze the balance in conditions beyond what would be considered normal for the game.

[X-Static]

snip

Unfortunately, people were screaming "EX4!" before they even saw any gameplay footage. It's going to take a lot to change their minds. 3D graphics and no parrying isn't helping. To me, the game looks great, but that's because I have an open mind and didn't have any preconceived opinions on the game.

[T-hawk]

OH MY GOD whats wrong with so many negative people here???

Negative people like you got Capcom fighting all stars canceled, are you guys trying to get SF4 canceled as well?

to me the game looks so original its amazing how they made a 2.5d fighter thats feels so street fighter 2.

The hadoken ryu charged at the end of his ultra reminds me a lot of his hadoken against sagat in the street fighter 2 animated movie.

This video really reassured me that Street Fighter 4 is in really good hands.

Stop being so negative if you guys played the ex series like i did (which i used to love) this game looks nothing like ex, plus how can you judge graphics of a next gen hd game based on a 640X380 video?

Ono is doing a good job, the game has a come back feeling really, i loved sf2 and was not a fan of sf3, while i loved parrying, the new characters in sf3 just didnt feel right for me, so im glad they took the game back to basics and that this is a continuation of sf2 and not 3.

To all of you haters: hadoken in your face

[Keits]

Unfortunately, people were screaming "EX4!" before they even saw any gameplay footage. It's going to take a lot to change their minds. 3D graphics and no parrying isn't helping. To me, the game looks great, but that's because I have an open mind and didn't have any preconceived opinions on the game.

They look pretty similar to me.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qzvm-j2kico

Open mind has nothing to do with the FACT that a 3d game trying to emulate 2d gameplay is going to look like the EX games did.

[goodm0urning]

They look pretty similar to me.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qzvm-j2kico

Open mind has nothing to do with the FACT that a 3d game trying to emulate 2d gameplay is going to look like the EX games did.I guess I'm not really sure what point you're trying to make. If you take a big box made of glass and sheet metal and put it on four wheels, it's going to look like both a Yugo and a Camaro, but it doesn't mean they're anywhere close to the same thing beyond that extremely general comparison.

[inkblot]

EX? Um, no.

- The gameplay looks like ST with GGXX-style roman cancels

- Ryu and Ken have a mix of their ST and 3s moves. Their sweeps are ST style, but Ryu's far stand fierce is from 3s.

- Graphically the game has a way to go.

[ruthless_nash]

people bitching about other people bitching about graphics can STFU.

Capcom justified taking the 3D series because no one would buy a 2D. In other words, it had to be 3D, it had to be pretty to sell to the masses.

If thats the case, they should at least make the graphics alot better (and im sure they will), but certainly the graphics will not go unscruitinized if that was the main reason for going 3D as opposed to HD 2D with 3S animation levels (which is what most people would have wanted im sure).

pesonally im not feeling the bulky gorilla arms. It looks ok in the 2D games, but looks rubbish in 3D. If Ono san wants to capture the feeling of SFII, then the models should be thinner. Ryu, Ken and co werent beefy in SFII but lean and trim.

having said that, there are some good points to take from this video. Gameplay looks fun (although the jumps look a bit weird). the special effects are a nice touch. the idea of having facial expression is innovative (i dont think tkken and VF this - though feel free to correct me since i dont play those games).

I actually think this game isnt too far off from being excellent, they just need to retouch the graphics. add a higher level of depth and detail and make sure the animation is a bit smoother. IMO the game should also stay at this speed at the very least. Any less than that and the game would become boring.

one concern - i think someone touched on this on some other thread - just because the game focus' on offense, i hope this isnt artifically enforced. i would like to see characters go away at full screen. someone playing run away or turtle.

overall, i have high hopes. i just hope they give us a better update sooner rather than later else i feel they might lose interest before the game has even come out.

[SHAAAADY]

At first glance, my major gripe would be that it looks TOO fast, almost like the game is being played in fast forward.

omg :rofl:
I'm out of this thread.

[goodm0urning]

omg :rofl:
I'm out of this thread.Unless you were born after Poison stopped selling out arenas, there's no reason to assume that SF is intrinsically this fast. The only game in the series I can think of that moves like this is Hyper Fighting.

[Shin00bi]

Watched the 1up Vid

It has that fake, jerky, look of an SF EX game right now. The fact that they are even willing to showcase this crap is scary. I'm not looking forward to this at all.

It's very hard to reserve judgement when they are proud enough to even show this early-game footage. I'm speaking purely from an aesthetic perspective. The characters themselves have an ugly bulky style (kind of reminds me of Gundam Wing Endless Duel, only in 3d, and instead of being giant robots, they are humans).

On a personal level, I've already abandoned all hope for this game. I can't help it. Unless by some miracle, they completely change just about everything visually, from what I've seen.

I will try to purge all thought of SFIV from here on out, and focus on ST HDR. Not sure how I will be able to recover from the mental trauma induced by the latest SF IV vid though.

I commend Ono's enthusiasm, and I like what he's trying to do gameplay wise. For me though, this is simply not going to work. Better to give up all hope now, than to set myself up to be thoroughly disappointed.

Please bear in mind, I'm a consumer, just like anyone else here, not a competitor (Duh, I know, but there's no reason to be at each other's throats over opinions). Capcom is not taking my sixteh Dollah for this shit. No siree.

[gozulin]

Unless you were born after Poison stopped selling out arenas, there's no reason to assume that SF is intrinsically this fast. The only game in the series I can think of that moves like this is Hyper Fighting.

i tend to agree. That said, i can play hyperfighting just fine so i'm not worried about the speed. It'll probably be adjustable so it's a non-issue.

Sf2 was slow but it was still awesome afterall.

And with that, i pronounce myself the winner of the speed debate. Now let's move on to character models and how much they suck.

[gozulin]

You make some good points but I bet you'll miss out on a great game if you get too hung up on graphics. Look at wow and counter strike .

Watched the 1up Vid

It has that fake, jerky, look of an SF EX game right now. The fact that they are even willing to showcase this crap is scary. I'm not looking forward to this at all.

It's very hard to reserve judgement when they are proud enough to even show this early-game footage. I'm speaking purely from an aesthetic perspective. The characters themselves have an ugly bulky style (kind of reminds me of Gundam Wing Endless Duel, only in 3d, and instead of being giant robots, they are humans).

On a personal level, I've already abandoned all hope for this game. I can't help it. Unless by some miracle, they completely change just about everything visually, from what I've seen.

I will try to purge all thought of SFIV from here on out, and focus on ST HDR. Not sure how I will be able to recover from the mental trauma induced by the latest SF IV vid though.

I commend Ono's enthusiasm, and I like what he's trying to do gameplay wise. For me though, this is simply not going to work. Better to give up all hope now, than to set myself up to be thoroughly disappointed.

Please bear in mind, I'm a consumer, just like anyone else here, not a competitor (Duh, I know, but there's no reason to be at each other's throats over opinions). Capcom is not taking my sixteh Dollah for this shit. No siree.

[Nairdas]

The gameplay looks pretty good, but I do think the the character models are a little too bulky. They need to slim them down a little bit so they'll look more natural.

Another little nit pic I have is the way the hadouken looks. It doesn't even looks like a fireball. It just looks like he's throwing out blue dust. Hopefully they'll fix that.

[Eduardo24]

Street Fighter IV in HD (http://gamevideos.com/video/id/16864)

[Keits]

Well Im sure I'll like it. I even liked EX. But that doesnt change the fact that it visually has the same things going on that EX and Rival Schools did.

[The Mullah]

little known fact about sf4: they used hulk hogan's body as the root for all the character designs

cant wait for HD remix!

Damn... Ryu's on the juice.

shotos are just as buff in 3s, but for some reason lots of people seems incapable of realising the obvious.

I'd like to see a match between 2 people that are at least decent so I can get a better idea of how its played.

Anyway the game looks like shit right now but it's early.

i know, just a mishmash of clips that illustrate very little about the game. Saying that at least we get to see ingame footage, i just wish i could see how a match actually plays instead of a selection of what some dickhead thinks looks interesting for gamers.

Graphics are pretty average, lets hope they find a middle ground between this and the trailer, which is afterall what got people hyped, this wont get casual gamers giving a shit.

[Gaijinblaze]

Street Fighter IV in HD (http://gamevideos.com/video/id/16864)
Yeah... there also seems to be another one called "Dragon Punch HD." In-game footage only, no people talking. Those two are what we should've watched in the first place. Despite the high resolution, the gameplay looks a bit blurry but it's still a lot better than the original file containing the discussion.

Edit: Can you only download one video from gamevideos.com every few hours or something? I've tried repeatedly but the DP HD vid won't initiate.

[AlphaDragoon]

Anyone who says that looks like EX-style play needs their fucking eyes checked. And I wear glasses.

Looks badass thus far, only real gripe is that again, Ryu and Ken's faces look funny and they're a bit too big (being cut and being big are two different things).

[goodm0urning]

Looks badass thus far, only real gripe is that again, Ryu and Ken's faces look funny and they're a bit too big (being cut and being big are two different things).I don't think we have anything to worry about in this respect. The teaser trailer proves that they know how to render these characters faithfully in 3D, so I don't imagine that the imperfections in the models have escaped anybody's notice. I expect that they'll be tweaked extensively as time goes by.

[Keits]

I don't think we have anything to worry about in this respect. The teaser trailer proves that they know how to render these characters faithfully in 3D, so I don't imagine that the imperfections in the models have escaped anybody's notice. I expect that they'll be tweaked extensively as time goes by.

Faithfully except the faces. They looked bad in the teaser and look bad in the screens/footage. This has plenty of time to be fixed, of course, but as of now, they look awful. And we all KNOW capcom can do better.

[Nokato]

I know there's going to be some that will disagree with what I'm about to say. I won't say too much unless I feel the need to but I will say that with each release of information I had some sort of doubt or negative speculation until I actually got a hand on the newly released information. Each time more was revealed to me about SF4 my speculation went from doubts to optimism. I'm a hella 2-D purist and I wasn't happy at first about the "3-D" look. I'm still under the impression that the 3-D models need alot of work or to be done in a different style--nonetheless, gameplay elements we want for the most part are there...right now (2%) that's about all you can ask for.

As hardcore purist both visually and competitively, I do still wish that 2-D was still marketable when it comes to the look of SF, but Capcom's efforts in terms of doing this realistically have been solid so far.

I think right now my only "gripe" is that I want the models to be tweaked. I'm pretty ok with what I see so far. And for the "choppy" animation...how the hell ELSE did you think they'd get 3-D models to act like 2-D sprites. You can't ask for blood from a turnip.

[Tea]

I'm still wary about getting revenge meter by blocking and getting hit. If I'm rushing some dude, while it's a little scary that he's getting something in return, I want to be able to get revenge meter as well.
Save System seems pretty nice, I just hope it ends up being better than a simple roll from other games.

[_MJ_#R]

i'm very optimistic so far..I believe Mr. Ono can pull it off.. Hope he gets well known players to beta test.

[Nokato]

i'm very optimistic so far..I believe Mr. Ono can pull it off.. Hope he gets well known players to beta test.

He seems to be very open to different approaches to ensure quality of the game. His enthusiasm was something worth mentioning and I hope people notice that. I think if Killian talks to him something could be in the works....you never know it could already BE in the works--its a just a matter of finding out when the time comes.

[Slayzz]

Street Fighter IV 'Dragon Punch' HD :lovin:
http://gamevideos.com/video/id/16864

This video changed my view on the game. After watching the 1Up show, I thought the game looks pretty bad. Now I'm looking forward to this game. Can't wait.

[MagnetoManiac]

Street Fighter IV 'Dragon Punch' HD :lovin:
http://gamevideos.com/video/id/16864

This video changed my view on the game. After watching the 1Up show, I thought the game looks pretty bad. Now I'm looking forward to this game. Can't wait.

soo many people raping the link :sad:

[Dragonfave723]

I saw the "Hadouken", but can't view "Dragon Punch" for some reason :sad:

[Slayzz]

I saw the "Hadouken", but can't view "Dragon Punch" for some reason :sad:

The "Dragon Punch" was the better video because of the fight intro and the fireballs at the beginning.

[VariantX]

I think it looks great honestly. And i dont think theres any need for this much complaining about a game this early in development.

[SNAAAAKE]

looks really good. plays kinda like sf3 but faster and no retarded parries. just the way I like it !! :tup:

[ViciousSLASH]

EX? Um, no.

- The gameplay looks like ST with GGXX-style roman cancels

- Ryu and Ken have a mix of their ST and 3s moves. Their sweeps are ST style, but Ryu's far stand fierce is from 3s.

- Graphically the game has a way to go.

Agreed, this forum is bitch made.

The graphics need to look a lot better though. C'mon Capcom, show us your moves.

*awaits a playable demo, seeing it in motion has made me happy*

[Doc Holliday]

I can't believe all you fuckers that are crying about this game. This thing is 2% done and I think it looks like sex. Some of you need to get your shit checked.

There is very little that I think is wrong with the game save for a few things like the jumping. Looks like 3D MK jumps so far. Actually, some of the animation kinda has the 3D MKish look to it like fireball and hurricane animations but I can forgive that. And I don't know about the Ultras. The cinematic enders look nice but that's about it for now. And I'm still not sold on the dash cancels.

Other than that, this looks like a good cross between ST and 3S from the little we saw. At least to me. Great cell shading look with obvious 2D gameplay mechanics. I really have NO gripes with the graphics right now and the only place they can go from here is forward.

[DrumlinerJoe]

Doesn't look the best, but I think it's far from what folks on here are making it out to be. Isn't it only like 2 percent done anyway?

It's just cool to see it coming out finally.

[CarpeNoctumXIII]

I can't watch the damn video for some reason, won't stream or let me download. Can someone upload it somewhere else?

[SNAAAAKE]

^ http://youtube.com/results?search_type=search_videos&search_query=street%20fighter%204&search_sort=video_date_uploaded&search_category=0&search=Search&v=&uploaded=&filter=1

[CarpeNoctumXIII]

^ http://youtube.com/results?search_type=search_videos&search_query=street%20fighter%204&search_sort=video_date_uploaded&search_category=0&search=Search&v=&uploaded=&filter=1

Wow! Everyone who is complaining need to go nit pick something else. For something that is obviously early, it's looking tight as hell. doesn't look anything like a EX game at all.

[Gutter Trash]

if the original 8 World Warriors and BOsses Return , then I will be extremely happy.

If Honda and Barlog are back, then it is not an EX game.

[SNAAAAKE]

Wow! Everyone who is complaining need to go nit pick something else. For something that is obviously early, it's looking tight as hell. doesn't look anything like a EX game at all.

hit boxes does look kinda like ex but it I am sure it doesnt actually play like ex. like I said its like a faster version of 3s with all the bells and whistles. either way sf4 looking really good..cant wait for a demo or some shit !! :looney::clap:

[goodm0urning]

The more I review the footage (and the less I listen to the 1Up editors), the more I'm thinking this is going to be the shit. Tweeze some of the animations, fix up Ken's pants, get their heads looking more like in the teaser trailer, and this game will look spectacular.

I am tempted to say this will look better than Third Strike when it's done, and as long as the new subsystems don't end up dominating the gameplay, it should play better as well. Call me cautiously optimistic, but I think it's going to rule.

[VariantX]

I hope they add some sort of physics to the clothing down the line. That's what was so beautiful about 3s's animation.

[X-Static]

The more I review the footage (and the less I listen to the 1Up editors), the more I'm thinking this is going to be the shit. Tweeze some of the animations, fix up Ken's pants, get their heads looking more like in the teaser trailer, and this game will look spectacular.

I am tempted to say this will look better than Third Strike when it's done, and as long as the new subsystems don't end up dominating the gameplay, it should play better as well. Call me cautiously optimistic, but I think it's going to rule.

And the great thing is that they have time to polish all that extra stuff. The core mechanics look sweet already. :lovin:

[Master Bigode]

Gameplay Videos:
"Hadouken" HD (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VCfDLP1iJDQ)

"Dragon Punch" HD (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rWkgHmOXEPc)

[TS]

Anyone who says that looks like EX-style play needs their fucking eyes checked. And I wear glasses.

Well, you realize most of the people observing/complaining about it being like EX aren't good at EX and/or have never even really played it, right?

That aside, it looks...odd. I very much like the speed of the game so far, but I'd like for it to look 3x better than any game out right now, like VF3 did and the OG SF2 did. But maybe that's asking too much.

edit: huh...tripguard is gone, I guess. I saw Ken get it out of a jump (on the way up) by Ryu's crouching Forward.

[DeathReaper47]

It looks like 3s, but faster and without parries.

I fail to see the problem with this.

[Sasmasta]

Good lookin' out on that link SNAAAAKE. I tried watching at 1up and it wouldn't go for beans.

From what my computer could handle [as it can't play vids for...uh...beans], it looks pretty cool. Ken's uppercut fuggin' launched Ryu though. :lol:

I think?

[HolyOrderChipp]

I think that all this complaining is just unwarranted negativity. Satan, if they announced SF IV you people would complain about it. Oh wait...

Seriously, the graphics look fine. I'd settle for N64 Graphics in exchange for a good game. It's cheaper to do than HD 2D, and will sell better. No problems there.

On a side note, I liked the trailer's graphical style more. The dark and inky cel-shading would have looked great in gameplay. Also, if they're going to cel-shade it, they should go all the way. No, I don't mean make it look like an anime fighter. I mean it should look like Vieewtiful Joe. Am I the only one that would have liked those kind of graphics?

[Strider2k2]

The characters themselves don't look all that great.....however, the gameplay looks like traditional SF. I just hope they fix up on Ryu and Ken's looks. The exaggerated facial expressions don't seem all that necessary. However, i'll give it some time before i come to a judgment about it.

[Dencore]

Looks meh to me, which is okay to me. I'm expecting above-average quality at very best.

EDIT - Just got back from playing third strike, and I think this game looks like shit.

[AlphaDragoon]

It looks like 3s, but faster and without parries.

I fail to see the problem with this.

People still finding a reason to passive-aggressively bitch because secretly they're still butthurt it's not 2D graphics with sprites.

[Nokato]

People still finding a reason to passive-aggressively bitch because secretly they're still butthurt it's not 2D graphics with sprites.


Lol, I'm "butthurt" in a way since I'm a 2-D enthusiast but at the same time--I'm looking at the bigger picture. They very well could've done something BREATHTAKING in 2-D but it would be questionable whether or not the game would make money--justifying the means. If they clean up the models a bit and keep with the gameplay they way it's going it could shape up to be a good game.

[Dencore]

Lol, I'm "butthurt" in a way since I'm a 2-D enthusiast but at the same time--I'm looking at the bigger picture. They very well could've done something BREATHTAKING in 2-D but it would be questionable whether or not the game would make money--justifying the means. If they clean up the models a bit and keep with the gameplay they way it's going it could shape up to be a good game.

The fact that Third Strike had limitless production budgets and still profited despite being a complete failure shows that a high res 2D is profitable. HD Remix also proves that, I mean coloring the sprites is most of the work, but of course they would need to almost double the amount of sprites they'd be working on, but they'd probably be charging less then $15 for the game, so it only makes sense that Capcom would profit a sprite based SFIV in the same sense especially containing less characters. . Being honest I think Capcom's biggest problem isn't the dimension this game takes place, but having mainstream gamers willing to shell out $60 for a fighting game.

[Nokato]

The fact that Third Strike had limitless production budgets and still profited despite being a complete failure shows that a high res 2D is profitable. HD Remix alone proves that, I mean coloring the sprites is most of the work, but of course they would need to almost double the amount of sprites they'd be working on. Being honest I think Capcom's biggest problem isn't the dimension this game takes place, but having mainstream gamers willing to shell out $60 for a fighting game.


Good point. Sadly, the industry isn't really for people like "us" anymore either--so in a way the fact that SF4 is being made is a miracle. As I said before, I don't agree with the look of the models right now and even if that can change-- I have to understand that this game isn't being made under the same climate previous SF titles have been made under. I mean honestly to put it bluntly--newer gamers just don't understand how games used to be. What people are claiming to be "good" about games are elements that are usually strictly of superficial value and nothing else.

A kid these days could careless about 2-D art because it doesn't look real or more dimensional than a half-assed character model thats got huge muscles and says kickass one-liners...because to them that's "kickass". With the current climate its understandable that while Ono wants to cater to us in some way--he has to make sure that newer generation is still interested in purchasing the game, since they are predominantly the money market for the industry. I only hope that this game will actually become something great and cause a revival of 2-D in some sort.

[mepaphoros]

It looks pretty amazing, but IMO it doesn't look like the game-play has changed at all besides the new "revenge" meter. So far, it looks great though.

[ArmandoXIII]

I uploaded both gameplay videos in HQ in youtube(for the few who havent seen it in HQ yet), personally I dont like the style but the gameplay seems ok.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTXCoViyB2c

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bN7vO7BMZko

[Dencore]

Good point. Sadly, the industry isn't really for people like "us" anymore either--so in a way the fact that SF4 is being made is a miracle. As I said before, I don't agree with the look of the models right now and even if that can change-- I have to understand that this game isn't being made under the same climate previous SF titles have been made under. I mean honestly to put it bluntly--newer gamers just don't understand how games used to be. What people are claiming to be "good" about games are elements that are usually strictly of superficial value and nothing else.

A kid these days could careless about 2-D art because it doesn't look real or more dimensional than a half-assed character model thats got huge muscles and says kickass one-liners...because to them that's "kickass". With the current climate its understandable that while Ono wants to cater to us in some way--he has to make sure that newer generation is still interested in purchasing the game, since they are predominantly the money market for the industry. I only hope that this game will actually become something great and cause a revival of 2-D in some sort.

What I find ironic for those who say 2D couldn't be done is that Capcom basically did the so called "impossible". HD Remix has redesigned and even reanimated 17 characters, and Street Fighter III on average has a little less then doubt the frames of II. So to get a sprite based SFIV let's just say it would be double amount of frames of HDRemix. This may sound like a big task but think about it Capcom wouldn't debut the game with 17 characters. It would probably be around 8-10 characters. So in reality Capcom pretty much did the amount of sprite detailing for an SFIV. All that would be left would be getting animators, and getting animators in Japan is like trying to find a hooker on the red light district.

In terms of a 2D revival, Capcom BBS stated that all that is up to see how well HDRemix goes. Personally I think 2D may be viable on the market once again due to Nintendo slowly bringing it back, but that will take time.

I'm still not sure if Capcom should've taken this route or not, but I have faith in their marketing due to Lost Planet's success along with Dead Rising's.

[kz0060]

Just watched the vid on youtube. Quite pleased. It looks like true 2d gameplay and no floaty jumps! Yay! the pace seems really good too. For real game footage of something so early in production, I'm extremely impressed.

The only minor prob which has already been mentioned is the graphics. Gotta get rid of them balloon pants my shoto buds.

[Embryo]

Hey we finally have SFEX4 yay....now were the hell is SF4.

[Hisham]

Hey we finally have SFEX4 yay....now were the hell is SF4.

Really, have you ever even played any of the EX games? They are a lot slower, and the animation is no where near as fluid as what was shown for SF4.

[Shin00bi]

Hey we finally have SFEX4 yay....now were the hell is SF4.

I agree. This is gonna be THE BEST STREET FIGHTERexEVER!!!

After the game finally comes out, I can't wait to read all about this, in Seanbaby's 'Rest of the Crap' section of EGM.

[erikstanton]

What I find ironic for those who say 2D couldn't be done is that Capcom basically did the so called "impossible". HD Remix has redesigned and even reanimated 17 characters, and Street Fighter III on average has a little less then doubt the frames of II. So to get a sprite based SFIV let's just say it would be double amount of frames of HDRemix. This may sound like a big task but think about it Capcom wouldn't debut the game with 17 characters. It would probably be around 8-10 characters. So in reality Capcom pretty much did the amount of sprite detailing for an SFIV. All that would be left would be getting animators, and getting animators in Japan is like trying to find a hooker on the red light district.

In terms of a 2D revival, Capcom BBS stated that all that is up to see how well HDRemix goes. Personally I think 2D may be viable on the market once again due to Nintendo slowly bringing it back, but that will take time.

I'm still not sure if Capcom should've taken this route or not, but I have faith in their marketing due to Lost Planet's success along with Dead Rising's.

no, because its not like they CREATED 17 NEW CHARACTERS. they just sexified them by drawing over them.

but i do want sprites.

[Mihai]

Hey we finally have SFEX4 yay....now were the hell is SF4.


stfu dude, wtf is wrong with you ppl? The game looks pretty damn sweet. You're all a bunch of fucking pussies that whine and moan all day long cause you have nothing better to do. This game coulda been GDLK from the start and STILL you would have ppl crying and complaining like they could do a better job or even come up with decent ideas.

STFU!!

[Embryo]

See I dont know why my "hand drawn or sprites"thread was closed down, I mean look at 3s, GG and then look at this game....tell me this games graphics r not shit. This game is almost identical to EX3....sooo yeah.

[Doc Holliday]

See I dont know why my "hand drawn or sprites"thread was closed down, I mean look at 3s, GG and then look at this game....tell me this games graphics r not shit.

The graphics are not shit. Shut up.

Posters like you are the reason 90% of the fucking threads in this forum are on lockdown.

[Shin00bi]

stfu dude, wtf is wrong with you ppl? The game looks pretty damn sweet. You're all a bunch of fucking pussies that whine and moan all day long cause you have nothing better to do. This game coulda been GDLK from the start and STILL you would have ppl crying and complaining like they could do a better job or even come up with decent ideas.

STFU!!

I think your signature says it all. We're pointing fingers at the game, not other users. Some of us peeps are more sensitive to aesthetic appeal. Imagine if your favourite comic book/manga suddenly switched to photographed clay figurines.

See I dont know why my "hand drawn or sprites"thread was closed down, I mean look at 3s, GG and then look at this game....tell me this games graphics r not shit.

Hah. There are so many closed threads, banned accounts, and neg-repping.

I'm almost afraid to express my opinion at times.

I'm right there with you opinion-wise. I still haven't seen any SF4 footage as far as I can tell. All I see is a bunch of EXtra imagery.

[Embryo]

Hey look dude, im sorry to break watever hope u had for SF4 but its a carbon copy of the EX eries, just imagine what it would have looked like wih HD quaility sprites with 3s level animation....this game isnt even as good as a manga fighter. This is to H92 or whatever by the way.

[Slayzz]

See I dont know why my "hand drawn or sprites"thread was closed down, I mean look at 3s, GG and then look at this game....tell me this games graphics r not shit. This game is almost identical to EX3....sooo yeah.

Your thread was closed because of your constantly whining about SF4 graphic like a little bitch. We get it the first 10th time that you hate the 3d graphic. You're like a broken record stating the same shit over and over.

[Doc Holliday]

Hey look dude, im sorry to break watever hope u had for SF4 but its a carbon copy of the EX eries, just imagine what it would have looked like wih HD quaility sprites with 3s level animation....this game isnt even as good as a manga fighter. This is to H92 or whatever by the way.

Use the quote button to get my name right you aborted fetus. This isn't anything like EX. And we're not going to get sprites so quit fucking crying. I'd love straight 2D sprites too but IT'S NOT HAPPENING. This game looks awesome in it's own right. And at 2% completion. 2%! If you don't want a "rehash EX" then gtfo of this forum and post up on the NAMBLA site or something. They probably have what you're looking for since this isn't it.

[Shin00bi]

Your thread was closed because of your constantly whining about SF4 graphic like a little bitch. We get it the first 10th time that you hate the 3d graphic. You're like a broken record stating the same shit over and over.

So much for formal debate I s'pose.

[VariantX]

Once again....the game is early. The only thing this game has in common with SFEX is the fact it has street fighter in the title and has 3d graphics. At the end of the day, its not really ppl complaining that its like EX, its just ppl bitching about it not being sprite based.

[Mihai]

Use the quote button to get my name right you aborted fetus.

LOL

WINS THREAD

[Slayzz]

Hey look dude, im sorry to break watever hope u had for SF4 but its a carbon copy of the EX eries, just imagine what it would have looked like wih HD quaility sprites with 3s level animation....this game isnt even as good as a manga fighter. This is to H92 or whatever by the way.

I didn't know you already played SF4? so just because SF4 has 3D graphic... it mean automatically that SF4 will play like EX and it'll will suck like EX?

One thing I agree with you is that I preferred 2D sprites as well but I'm not as close mined as you thinking SF4 will be shit just because it's 3D.

[Embryo]

Im not really close minded, I gave SF4 a shot untill I saw it in motion...and so far is looks to be a carbon copy of the EX tittles. It even has movement simialr to the EX tittles....its weird hos alike they r.

[Shin00bi]

Once again....the game is early. The only thing this game has in common with SFEX is the fact it has street fighter in the title and has 3d graphics. At the end of the day, its not really ppl complaining that its like EX, its just ppl bitching about it not being sprite based.

We can't necessarily debate the gameplay too much at this point. That's for sure. I think the game will be great for the general populace, perhaps the best SF ever for the types of people who simply couldn't get into SFII-III. However, some people have to have their games look good.

I don't really know how else to emphasize, but if this games for some reason still looks like crap when it's released, it's going to hurt Capcom.

I am looking forward to seeing a next-gen, high-output 2d fighter. I don't really like the feel of GGX, but hats off to Sammy for improving upon our beloved 2d visuals. I might have to convert to focusing more training on the MvC-ST mixed gameplay. Again, I bring in the manga/animé Ana╚ogy. No one wants to see their favourite comics turn into 3d models permanently.

How do you completely revolutionalize Street Fighter anyway? Is it even possible?

In actuality, Ono really is doing everything possible to bring something new, and intentionally revolutionary. I think that this odd-ball setup that's being applied to SFIV should have been tested on an off-shoot or completely non-SF fighting game first.

People will play this game. It will sell very well, and Capcom will be better off because of it. I don't foresee staying power for it though.

Noobi Scale of SF Staying Power

SFII (ST particularly)
SFIII (Fighting tooth and nail with ST to this day.)
SFIV
SFI (The most balanced SF of all, because you could only pick Ryu or Ken, and they were exactly the same, gameplay wise)

I'm going to give SFIV a bit more analysis later. I want to overlay the horrid 3d-sprites, with 2d-ones, and compare it as best I can to other SF. This is me giving it a chance.

[TS]

~~Embryo is a troll~~

Please don't waste your time.

Dencore- the SF3 series was an incredible failure financially. And SF3 has quite a bit more animation than ST, not to mention there is a big difference in creating something from scratch and buffing something up which already works and animates as its supposed to.

[Strider2k2]

I just hope SF4 doesn't end up going the way of Tekken4 (the black sheep of the Tekken series)...i still don't agree with the look of the character models, but hey....as long as the gameplay is great...i'll be sold.

[MiLky]

Is there a thread discussing what gameplay elements etc... that we can get out of the video's? Like, did Ryu's c.m hit Ken on a jump and then he juggled it to fireball, or was it a sweep to fireball?

All I can find on these boards right now are a bunch of retards STILL fucking arguing over 3D and sprites, even though we all knew it was going to be 3D for awhile now. I guess there is also people saying it is EX4 as well, they are fucking annoying as well. 2 fucking percent and it already looks better than any EX, and looks to play more like ST/3s.

Maybe someone will start another thread about gameplay, I'm too lazy after sifting through the garbage that is this thread.

On a random note, those 1up guys are idiots. SF has had juggles since ST, and I think every single one since, in one way or another.

[Shin00bi]

I'm trying to figure out whether I'm the only one disappointed, and I tried to gather opinions from people who are in favor of this game. It seems like there are just two types, those that are reasonably predicting it will suck, and those that are remaining open-minded. There doesn't seem to be a large amount of people who openly proclaim the game rocks.

I did a quick check with google, and discovered the following:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v65/Shin00bi/google-SFIVrocks.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v65/Shin00bi/google-SFIVSUCKS.jpg

[Embryo]

"~~Embryo is a troll~~

Please don't waste your time."

Sigh, anyways yeah.....were is SF4?

[Doc Holliday]

I did a quick check with google, and discovered the following:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v65/Shin00bi/google-SFIVrocks.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v65/Shin00bi/google-SFIVSUCKS.jpg

Yep. That's the clincher right there alright. Because one had a couple hits on Google and the other didn't have any.

I'm going to run to a blog right now and throw up the "SFIV Rocks" banner so we've got one on our side that shows up on a search.

[Shin00bi]

Yep. That's the clincher right there alright. Because one had a couple hits on Google and the other didn't have any.

I'm going to run to a blog right now and throw up the "SFIV Rocks" banner so we've got one on our side that shows up on a search.

Yeah. You Yay-sayers need to speak up!

[Nokato]

I think the best thing to do is just ignore people like Embryo if you don't like what they're saying. Feeding into him only means he's gonna keep trolling the thread and saying what he wants. Even with that, he does have a right to an opinion--since that's what we're all doing in this thread, expressing opinions about the game so far. If Embryo wants to stay angry since it's not 2-D based, fine. It really won't affect whether or not I like or dislike SF4.

[Embryo]

Hey guys I got a early review of SF4 with new pics and vids...just follow this link http://www.gamespot.com/ps2/action/streetfighterex3/player_review.html?id=223268.

[Strider2k2]

Everyone is entitled to their own opinions...even Embryo....i say we just wait until we get more info, screenshots, and media and then we can talk about gameplay and the real logistics of this game...but for now...everything is speculation and opinion.

Thats enough bitching from me. My suggestions for those that are unhappy/happy with the video..just voice over your concerns to the official Capcom BBS.

http://ww2.capcom.com/BBS/forumdisplay.php?f=266

That's gonna be the first place that will take note of our reactions to the gameplay video, good or bad.

[-SuGaR-]

Damn, so just because it has a slight likeness to the EX series none of you guys are willing to give it a chance to see if maybe the gameplay speaks for itself? It just seems kind of silly to me to hate a on game that's been what, almost 10 years in the making without even giving it a chance just because you don't like how it LOOKS. It's pretty early into the game's creation give it a bit and see what happens. Just saying that it's going to be trash no matter what they do is a crappy attitude to something say you've been "waiting forever to happen."

Personally I'm not a big fan of the so far overall look of SF4, but at least I'm willing to GIVE IT A CHANCE.

-S

[Atb_555]

^ Dont worry dude they're just talking copious amounts of shit now, but when its release watch how their opinions change.

Hey were you lot when 3s first came out?

[Darklightjg1]

I like it and really want to try it out from watching that *Hopes for a demo*. Ken's taunt looks goofy as hell though (I think that has more to do with his pose though... it's a bit "off" :lol:).

The game does seem very (read: extremely) aggressive at this point though and I hope the next time we get an update that they go into more detail about the Saving(defense) part of the revenge gauge system. They also need to show footage of an actual match or two so I can get a better idea of how things really work/play out.

[Embryo]

What the hell was up with that weird pose Ryu did in the trailer...like he bend over and then did nothing?

[Slayzz]

Damn, so just because it has a slight likeness to the EX series none of you guys are willing to give it a chance to see if maybe the gameplay speaks for itself? It just seems kind of silly to me to hate a on game that's been what, almost 10 years in the making without even giving it a chance just because you don't like how it LOOKS. It's pretty early into the game's creation give it a bit and see what happens. Just saying that it's going to be trash no matter what they do is a crappy attitude to something say you've been "waiting forever to happen."

Personally I'm not a big fan of the so far overall look of SF4, but at least I'm willing to GIVE IT A CHANCE.-S

Yeah it's pretty sad. They just cannot accept the fact that it's 3D.

Also finally putting the ignore user setting to good use.

[fallot]

Is there a thread discussing what gameplay elements etc... that we can get out of the video's? Like, did Ryu's c.m hit Ken on a jump and then he juggled it to fireball, or was it a sweep to fireball?

At about 0:25 in the Dragon Punch video, Ken does one of those EX dash cancels. It looks a lot better than I'd thought it would, kind of like a Garou break.

[goodm0urning]

See I dont know why my "hand drawn or sprites"thread was closed down, I mean look at 3s, GG and then look at this game....tell me this games graphics r not shit. This game is almost identical to EX3....sooo yeah.It got closed because you're a troll and every single one of your posts is EX flame bait. You are easily the most pointless and annoying poster since Bodler.

I'm right there with you opinion-wise. I still haven't seen any SF4 footage as far as I can tell. All I see is a bunch of EXtra imagery.And yet, a new contender has emerged.

[MiLky]

At about 0:25 in the Dragon Punch video, Ken does one of those EX dash cancels. It looks a lot better than I'd thought it would, kind of like a Garou break.

Yeah, I saw that too, that one he did makes it look like you can use them for mix ups and maybe even to avoid taking a counter hit, if you can do it on reaction from a block. We can only guess at this early stage and with the limited footage. I also wonder if like CC's, when you do a dash cancel combo, if there will be one best one for each character.

The EX dash cancels have me the most curious, especially because it looks like there is a chance you can use them for alot more than just combos.

I'm still caustiously excited, there is a long way to go before it's done. On that note, did you notice the footage was from September? I wonder how much more has been put done since then, or more like, when will we get to see more.

[margalis]

Hard to do much analysis of the gameplay given the nature of the video and the quick cuts. Only two things stand out to me:

1. Ken appears to cancel a blocked DP into a dash.
2. Ryu does a taunt-like move a couple of times that perhaps builds meter?

Cancelling blocked specials into dashes is going to be pretty beastly, especially if you mix in both throws and overheads. Also makes me wonder if the special has to hit first (either clean or blocked) before you can cancel it. If not it makes fireball characters that much better.

[Doc Holliday]

Yeah it's pretty sad. They just cannot accept the fact that it's 3D.

Also finally putting the ignore user setting to good use.

And it's not even "pure" 3D for crying out loud (Not knocking on you because I'm sure you know what I'm referring to). It's cell shaded 3D type graphics with 2D core game mechanics which is exactly what we all wanted. No one wanted this to play in 3D because that wouldn't be SF.

Whatever. I'm done arguing about it. I'm just going to keep checking out the updates.

See. This shit is exactly why I had ONE post in this forum before today.

[CptMunta]

It's funny how everyone is laughing at the 1Up crew and are calling them scrubs. This may be true in the sense that they can't the game on a tourney level. But still they pretty much predicted the reaction of alot fans:

People would complain about the graphics,

People would complain about the art direction.

As for it looking like SF EX I have now idea what people are talking about. Sure they are both rendered in 3D but thats like saying Tekken 1 looks like Tekken 5.

I think downloading the game footage (Hadoken, Dragon Punch HD) Gives a better idea about how the game looks so far.

I think they are off to a good start. It's look like they've made something that looks and plays like street fighter which is the main thing and is an excellent foundation to build on. It still looks pretty early in development and has alot work to be done on it. I like the hitsparks and effects so far.

Looking forward to seeing it a few more months down the road. With more characters and the graphics polished up a bit.

[Duckdee]

Love the colours and facial expressions.

The only thing I'm worried about that won't be improved, is Ryu's face when viewed close up..

[KindredSpiritz]

Does anyone else think that 1UP theme tune is catchy?

[Gaijinblaze]

If only they straightened their rear leg a bit more and leaned their torso further forward while doing hadoukens. That may give it the oomph we're used to. I know I know, too late.

Now that I've looked more closely it's not the muscles or anatomy that bothers me. It's more like the way the clothing interacts with their bodies. Ryu or Ken's knee doesn't create a protruding sharper spot in their pants when their legs are bent and normally the fabric would be pushed. It gives the impression that their muscles are competely filling in the clothing in some of the wrong places. I apologize for how utterly gay that sounds. For other characters, it may not be as much of a problem if they won't have outfits like that. On second thought it may be more of a camera angle issue.

At least the models are flipped to make it look like a 2D game when they switch sides. I remember some people here guaranteeing that wouldn't happen.

[Keits]

As for it looking like SF EX I have now idea what people are talking about. Sure they are both rendered in 3D but thats like saying Tekken 1 looks like Tekken 5.




It does. Every tekken game moves the same way. The only difference is a higher poly count, and nicer textures, and nicer stages, and sped up gameplay. At its core, it still looks and moves like a 'next gen' Tekken.

This looks and moves like a next gen SF EX. Its exactly what I expected it to look like. I dont think its technically possible to replicate the 2d 'feel' without making your animation look like SF4 currently does. Sure, its leaps and bounds above EX in model detail and stage detail and particle effects... but it still looks and moves like SFEX.

Again, this isnt condemning the game. The EX games felt like the 2d games with 3d models to me, and I enjoyed them back in the day. So, when it comes to gameplay and how it feels, im sure SF4 will be something ill be playing. But to say again and again that this bears no resemblance to a next-gen SF EX is just silly. '

There is a group of you here who are SO optimistic for the game that you cant handle anything remotely negative being said about what has been shown so far. And there is a group of you here so negative about it that you are driving the optimists into a defensive frenzy. I've only seen a handful of posters willing to step back and offer a clean opinion.

[OneInchPunch]

Maybe if someone posted a video with side by side comparisons of sfex gameplay with sfiv, it could help end this. I've never actually played any of the sfex games but why did they flop? How could a sf gameplay wise go wrong if you adhere to the core of what makes sf sf?

[TS]

Does anyone else think that 1UP theme tune is catchy?
Yeah.

Anyway, about the gameplay elements in the vid, Ken got hit by the crouching Forward on the way up from a jump, and Ryu cancelled that into a fireball, which Ken blocked.

So I guess tripguard is gone, or most/all attacks hit at some height vs jumps?

Likewise, Ken did the standard auto recovery backwards after being hit ou