One thread for the new SF4 Info and Screenshot from 1UP

[MrWizard]

http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3164756

More information in the Jan Issue of EGM.

[SquaLLio]

Smart move, I beat you to it. You can go ahead and delete mine entitled "Thursday is here."

[kane_warhead]

That looks like Chun li's stage.

[Luigi-Bo 87]

:mad:x infinity! I can't see it. My comp sucks. What's going on?? Pics??

[shoo]

sweet jesus!


__

this is what i do i sit on you.
[adult swim]

[zippoKC]

dayammmmm.

the character model looks sick but the background isn't too brilliant.


wait a minute... is that his penis??

[BloodBane]

Dhalsim is coming back
FUCK YEAH

[Akutabi Gamma]

So wait-
Game is 2D (Sorry misinterpreted)
Ryu, Chun, Ken & Dhalsim are back

That's what I caught from the info in that site.

..but seriously if these characters don't get any new moves I'll be very disappointed.

BTW MrWizard-
I sent u a PM weeks ago requesting a name change, are there some stuff I should be before getting it? Thanks

[Luigi-Bo 87]

dayammmmm.

the character model looks sick but the background isn't too brilliant.


wait a minute... is that his penis??

Ryu's all man yo!:rofl::rofl::rofl: I saw it finally, Makoto needs to be in this. I bet Chun is gonna be fine as hell!:lovin:

[Ferdinandz]

Holy

FUCK!

Everyone's asleep!

[goodm0urning]

Shit's fucking hot.

And, for people who can't access it for some stupid reason, the answer to your question is this: 2.5D.

[10x]

Ryu's character model looks so fuckin' SICK.

[ThePunisherXBL]

That looks amazing. And oh shit, Dhalsim is back? Still fighting for them starving kids I guess.

[Shin Akuma]

It looks like Ryu is doing a Parry motion.

Hmm.... :wonder:

[Luigi-Bo 87]

This means Bison HAS to come back now. As much as I don't like him, it's only right.

[DaDesiCanadian]

Looks more like he's doing his akuma style taunt.

[ThePunisherXBL]

It looks like Ryu is doing a Parry motion.

Hmm.... :wonder:

Yeah, he's parrying Sim's nasty curry fart. That bastard.

[Ferdinandz]

Wait a fucking minute

is that his penis?

[Xiii]

Can't wait to see this game in action. 3D Characters and Stage Levels, but strictly 2D gameplay which is what I think most people assumed it would have been. The decision was a good one. The wait for more information on the game system awaits.

[boondock18]

Well, we found out the answer to the 2d-3d-2.5d question. Interesting that they said it is strictly 2d gameplay.. i wonder if it will play with the same speed and such as the sf we all love.

Is it possible to have 3d characters act like 2d sprites?

[KrsJin]

I'm pleased so far. 6 buttons, 2D gameplay, looks fresh and unique enough to be considered new. Can't wait for that issue of EJM to clear up more questions on the system.

Right now though, my faith only got increased.



Is it possible to have 3d characters act like 2d sprites?

Yeahup.

[margalis]

It's the top half of his Gi poking out from beneath his belt I think...

Akuma's taunt is classic horse-stance, that ain't it.

Without seeing it in motion I have no opinion on the graphics.

[1]

6-BUTTONS = YES!

2.5D you say? Hmm. I need to see it in motion. I hope it's not too floaty.

[Xiii]

It's very possible, but there is usually less control in how you want something to look on a 3D model. It's easier to express in a sprite because you can exaggerate anything you want, but the same isn't as easy to do with a model. It takes a bit more work than moving a couple pixels.

Also you should probably be more clear when you refer to the speed of SF. All the games play at different speeds with 3S being the slowest of them all. Doesn't mean the matches aren't as intense, just the games don't move at the same speeds.

[MiLky]

Wow, this gets my hopes up, 2.5D is fine, as long as it's not 3D.

One thing that bothers me, it's Ryu, if they are going to show his penis, it should be huge, he's the main character. It should shoot fucking fireballs....








Can't believe they gave him a penis... Chun better have nipples then, if they are going for realism, otherwise it's sexual discrimination.

[boondock18]

Well that's key then. I think we will all like the new look to the game. Hopefully we can get that old school feel.

[gl0ry]

His GI probably moves around and the screen shot there was on a bad frame. I seriously doubt they'd go that far.

The game itself looks fresh and unique. This game is gonna be good.

[Lazy Foo']

Gah, my next issue of EGM can't come soon enough.

[NewGen]

damn I was hoping for a more dirty artstyle as shown in the trailer, and in okami.

looks almost like tekken now, can't say the artstyle has impressed me but I'll hold judgment until i see it in action.

i just hope it doesn't turn out like ex+a

[_Snake_]

Ryu's character model looks great :lovin:.

*Reads article*

Dhalsim? Someone tell Capcom of Japan we want Guile, damn it! :sad:

[Luigi-Bo 87]

Ryu's character model looks great :lovin:.

*Reads article*

Dhalsim? Someone tell Capcom of Japan we want Guile, damn it! :sad:

Guile's level of awesomeness is far too powerful for even a next-gen console to handle. Everyone knows that.:rolleyes:

[goodm0urning]

Looking really closely at it, there are some nice small touches. The slight black outline of Ryu, plus the chalky looking brush stroke texture of the coloring, gives him a cool hybrid 3D model/2D sprite look that goes beyond typical cell shading. The background appears to have some similar effects as well. I can't wait for some huge screen shots that will give us a look at the fine details up close.

I was kind of hoping we'd see some of the inky shit from the trailer, but I do admit it probably would have gotten really distracting after the novelty wore off. Best that they left it out.

[Humbag]

I think i just creamed myself.

[pootnannies]

ryu's pants are way too fucking tight. other than that this looks amazing! looks like they changed his face from what he had on the trailer. maybe it just the angle

[alien nose job]

Seriously can't have an opinion aobut the graphics until I see it moving.
Being a penciler I don't have much interest in 3D graphics, but I'll have a look anyway.

As for his stance/taunt/parry... mmm, it also looks a bit like oro's stance, bent leg + fist on the left side of the screen...
maybe...?

One things strikes me though, the difference beetween promotional art and the actual model:
on the screenshot, ryu looks strong, but not as huge as on EGM's cover, did you see that? it's like he's on steroïds there.

[Flip Ninja]

That's beyond steroids on the cover. he looks downright liefeld-esque.

[ULTRAMAN]

Ryu's stance also looks kinda similar to Oro's fighting stance or am i just thinking too much?:looney:

[Eminent]

if it has anything to do w/ 3d then that gives us more reason to try to break it. I haven't played a fighter that was 3d (even though this one isnt fully) that hasn't had glitches, infinites, broken hit boxes (Virtua Fighter). Im personally torn between the graphics and what not. I mean I will still play it, I just fear that the characters will overwhelm the screen and that the game will be mad floaty. Not to mention how they are going to manage the hitboxes. Are they gonna be down to per pixel (Doom), or the same played out Squares and Rectangles.I just hope they give 4's the same treatment has HD Remix as far as letting the major players beta test and give their 2 cents.

*jumps into fanboy mode*
Anyone else wanna see Ken's son "Mel" in this game? Possibly gone the way of Jin (Tekken) by throwing out his fathers art (Shoto) and going w/ another style. Which leads into one more thing. These cats have been fighting the same dudes for the past what 20 some odd years. I mean I'm as curious as everyone else to see who's returning, but I'm more interested in who this generations "New Comers" are.

[VEGA_OMEGA]

I wonder if his package can hyadoken as well. (?)

looks insanly sweet. package and all.

[Biolink]

Oh my god :lovin:

They even said they played it.Lets hope for the best in the preview.My EGM should be coming within the next two days.

[DarkNecrid]

if it has anything to do w/ 3d then that gives us more reason to try to break it. I haven't played a fighter that was 3d (even though this one isnt fully) that hasn't had glitches, infinites, broken hit boxes (Virtua Fighter).

And you've played a 2D one that hasn't had any of those problems...?

[Azrael]

Ryu's penis FTW!

Seriously though, that's a screenshot?! That's gorgeous. And awesome. Late 2008 can't come fast enough.

[EvilSamurai]

Is it just me or is Ryu's hair gray/graying in the screenshot?

[_MJ_#R]

cant.stop.staring.at.crotch

[Azrael]

He does look older, yeah. Does this mean...old lady Chun-Li?!

Some more picture speculation...that's gotta be Chun's stage. The writing in the background is Chinese. It sorta reminded me of SF2 Chun's stage rather than SF3. I wonder if the backgrounds in the game will be like super-updated versions of the classics.

Oh, and FUCK YEAH FOR 2D GAMEPLAY!!!!! What'dya know, Capcom does love us after all.

[goodm0urning]

The writing in the background is Chinese.Same alphabet as Japanese Kanji.

That aside, I bet you're right. It's very reminiscent of the stages Chun Li has had in the past.

[_MJ_#R]

i demand bouncy boobies..

[_MJ_#R]

i demand bouncy boobies..

[Septimus Prime]

:u: Actually, it is Chinese. The poster in the back actually mentions China (such level of detail is amazing).

[blankspaces]

but not as huge as on EGM's cover, did you see that? it's like he's on steroïds there.

:rofl: you can inject steroids now

[Sacr3D]

*Screams like a little girl* YES !!!

[SFmaniac43]

oh this is too awesome.

2D gameplay. i expect nothing short of amazing.

also

SIM, bitches!

[Azrael]

Same alphabet as Japanese Kanji.

That aside, I bet you're right. It's very reminiscent of the stages Chun Li has had in the past.
It is Chinese. Same alphabet, yes, but Japanese and Chinese write things very differently. There's two ramen shops in the background, but they're written in Chinese, not Japanese.

EDIT
What Sep said too.

[elvis_a_presley]

cant.stop.staring.at.crotch

Ditto. With that said, it has answered a question I've had for a very long time: Does Ryu wear underwear? Now we know for certain he's a freeballer.

[EvilSamurai]

:rofl: you can inject steroids now

speaking of 'roids... I hope capcom throws out Zangief and brings in an Ivan Drago (http://www.i-mockery.com/minimocks/ivan-drago/) inspired character. The developers can have him inject roids as a taunt similar to how Shun Di drinks in VF. They can also have Drago drink vodka in another another taunt.

[Septimus Prime]

It is Chinese. Same alphabet, yes, but Japanese and Chinese write things very differently. There's two ramen shops in the background, but they're written in Chinese, not Japanese.

EDIT
What Sep said too.
I think the shop on the right is actually a tea house that also sells noodles.

[SNAAAAKE]

omg...OH MY GOD !! *takes of pant*:party:

[Superking]

SRK continues to go gay as the first thing they notice about SF4 is Ryu's penis. :rofl:

Anyway it looks good, here's hoping they pull it off.

But we all know that this will be panned by the community when it comes out, then after 2 or 3 updates later, it will be loved. Only then can it truly be called Street Fighter. :D

Anyway while the game is probably using polys, the Ryu model still pasts as traditional animation (from that still anyway) in a way for me, hell it looks like this Akira Yasuda Ryu pic:

[Shade]

3D Graphics ftw.

[BlackShinobi]

I just hope the supers look as good in 3D I've never been a huge fan of how supers physical supers look from 3D characters.

EGM picked that bulge pic on purpose, you know they had to have more shots than just ryu in that position with his junk all out there. Jeebus EGM show a screen of him throwing a hadouken.

[Azrael]

I think the shop on the right is actually a tea house that also sells noodles.
Yeah, the upper sign says teahouse, I just looked at the blackboard which is advertising noodles and called it a noodle shop. :razzy:

[Bowling Pin]

Holy Mother of God, sacred Virgin reigning high above the heavens.

Whatever platform this game is released on, be it PlayStation 3, Xbox 360, or Arcade only, I WILL BUY IT.

That's a world warrior penis right there.

[SRKev]

Holy Mother of God, sacred Virgin reigning high above the heavens.

Whatever platform this game is released on, be it PlayStation 3, Xbox 360, or Arcade only, I WILL BUY IT.

That's a world warrior penis right there.

*Crosses fingers for PS3 and Arcade only*

*Diabolical Cackle*

[SweetJohnnyV]

Dhalsim is coming back
FUCK YEAH

FUCK YEAH for Dhalsim and FUCK YEAH for 2.5D!

I was expecting an answer to the 2D/3D question, but I wasn't expecting an in-engine screenshot. Fuckin' tight!

[Corner-Trap]

Sim with a polygon model? This is gonna look interesting.

[Lonewolf_Fenrir]

Insane shit ^^
Can't wait for it to be released :)
Anyway, i think it's not his penis, but his GI floating as he moves.

[kitzkozan]

Dunno if Kotaku is really credible,but they are saying that DIMPS is developing the game.

Who's DIMPS? :sweat: Just checked wiki....

OMG,I don't know if that's a good thing or a bad thing.

Arcade

Atomiswave

* "Demolish Fist"
* "Premier Eleven" (Limited release)
* "The Rumble Fish"
* "The Rumble Fish 2"

Game Boy Advance

* Digimon Battle Spirit
* Digimon Battle Spirit 2
* Dragon Ball: Advanced Adventure
* Mobile Suit Gundam Seed: Tomo to Kimi to Senjou De
* One Piece
* Dragon Ball Z: SuperSonic Warriors
* Sonic Advance Series

Nintendo DS

* Crash Boom Bang!
* Custom Beat Battle: Draglade
* Tales of the Tempest
* Sonic Rush

Nintendo GameCube

* Dragon Ball Z: Budokai 1-2 (Japanese: DragonBall Z 1-2)

PlayStation

* Inuyasha: A Feudal Fairy Tale
* Naruto: Shinobi no Sato no Jintori Kassen
* Shaman King: Spirit of Shamans

PlayStation 2

* Gunslinger Girl Volume I to III
* Saint Seiya - The Sanctuary
* Saint Seiya - The Hades
* Seven Samurai 20XX
* Shaman King: Funbari Spirits
* The Rumble Fish
* Dragon Ball Z: Budokai 1-3 (Japanese: DragonBall Z 1-3)

PlayStation Portable

* Dragon Ball Z: Shin Budokai
* Dragon Ball Z: Shin Budokai - Another Road

Xbox

* Spikeout: Battle Street

Xbox 360

* Mobile Suit Gundam
PC

* Universal Century - Gundam Online: Dawn Of Australia

[Sasmasta]

Shit looks dope. :smokin:

I'm gonna have to pick me up that EGM issue when it hits stands, even though I know it'll be only be one page worth of good info while the others are prolly littered with Street Fighter backstory. But in any case, win/win. :win:

Edit: Saw kitzkozan's post. My friend said it looked DBZ-ish but I didn't see the relation. I wonder if he hit up Kotaku before I showed him this article...:clever:

[Superking]

We should go tar and feather Kotaku for spreading this BS.

Well I hope this is BS, Dimps with Street Fighter is a huge NO!

And if it is Dimps, well I guess Capcom USA wasn't lying when they said they handed it off to a Japanese studio. =/

[polarity]

Dunno if Kotaku is really credible

they arent

[Eminent]

And you've played a 2D one that hasn't had any of those problems...?
Please do tell me what knowledge we gain from that question? Was their a real point to be made? You know I didn't think that I would have the need to generalize my statements to include both genres (which are of course and can be equally broken), well simply because the subject was focused on the 3d aspect of fighting games. You know I guess I thats just what I get for assuming that even if I don't mention the above, the same point can still be made. But just for you Dark I'll make sure that everything be spelled out the next time around.

*anyways,back to subject*
I bet if they pan out to include player 2 being chun-li, we could then see the real reason behind Ryu's Polygonal penis's appearance.

[poonage]

Kotaku is wrong, the developer is Spike (Crimson Skies, Fire Pro Wrestling, King of Colosseum).

Sorry to crap on the party, but I think that screenshot looks awful. Hopefully it will look better in motion.

[kitzkozan]

Let's just hope EGM doesn't confirm that DIMPS is developing,because their pedigree doesn't give them any right whatsoever in developing SF IV. :mad:

I just hope it's spike,as I enjoyed the dreamcast version of fire pro wrestling.

[Sasmasta]

What's wrong with the screenshot?

My only 'concern' would be how that one guy in the background looks like a Wii character...but that doesn't even bother me at all. More of a "If I would have to pick something wrong with that screenshot" kind of thing.

[polarity]

Kotaku is wrong, the developer is Spike (Crimson Skies, Fire Pro Wrestling, King of Colosseum).

capcom said it's being developed by an INTERNAL TEAM AT CAPCOM JAPAN, jesus, why is this so hard for some of you to understand?

[Bass X0]

Ditto. With that said, it has answered a question I've had for a very long time: Does Ryu wear underwear? Now we know for certain he's a freeballer.

it seems really short.

[kitzkozan]

They could also outsource,we don't know for sure right now.

Here's a look (http://youtube.com/watch?v=k3BYMrjgIT8) at a game created by DIMPS for those who never played a game from them:

[polarity]

They could also outsource,we don't know for sure right now.

yes we do we know by the fact that CAPCOM SAID it is internal, omfg

[rook]

http://www.1up.com/do/feature?cId=3164488

No-one brought it up, but there's a pic of Ken on this page.

[Dander]

this is so fake you guys.

everyone knows sf4 isn't true.


edit: and jesus christ I really hope it isn't DIMPS
they really fucked up with that rumble fish game

god it was horrible.

[alien nose job]

http://www.1up.com/do/feature?cId=3164488

No-one brought it up, but there's a pic of Ken on this page.

oh yes, but it's also promotional art like the cover, and in game models and promo art seem to differ a bit.
Still promo art looks cool yeah.

[AdverseSolutions]

ryu should have a beard or at least gray hair, this shit is ridiculous. he looks the same age as sf3. and considering that came out nearly 8 years ago in real life years...

[polarity]

Who Cares

[Dangerous J]

ryu should have a beard or at least gray hair, this shit is ridiculous. he looks the same age as sf3. and considering that came out nearly 8 years ago in real life years...

imo it seems like they're really trying to bring back the casual gamer/mainstream people into sf, and since sf3 wasnt a smash in the us. I dont think theyd wanna make too drastic a change to the flagship characters.

Dhalsim back? Too good!! :devil:

crosses fingers for either guile or sagat to return and be on 360...

[Dander]

oh yes, but it's also promotional art like the cover, and in game models and promo art seem to differ a bit.
Still promo art looks cool yeah.

something about the way ken's hand was made in that screen shot makes me not want to agree with you. It looks really really really okami-esque. Meaning it could very well be in game too. I can't speak for that tiny shot of ryu from the cover pic.

[Nokato]

Well, I'm very happy that the game is 2D, but I was very open-minded if it were 3-D. I guess the only issue I'm having is that I want to see more pics, mainly because the screenshot they chose to show makes me wonder a couple of things. There were some things I did like about it, if I'm correct here it looks it like the polygonal sprites are inspired by Akiman, hence the "realness" of the sprite. Also, there are some hatching lines on Ryu's foot which tells me the 2-D ambiance will be there in terms of texturing which is awesome. When I hear polygonal sprites I get a little worried (Killer Instinct anyone?)--but seeing as Capcom has shown that the 2-D aspect isn't being abandoned in the art I'm sure that more screenshots will show off the look of the game.

One thing I can say for sure is that I want to know more about the game and look foward to the January issue of EGM. Anyone know if its out yet? Sometimes these issues come out early, right?

[Taito]

Dunno if Kotaku is really credible
They're not NEXT TOPIC

[JUDDERMAN_]

Yeah it was already confirmed by Capcom that it is being developed by Capcom Japan. So that dilemna is over.

As for the people I see QQing on Neogaf and Capcom forums saying that it looks like Mortal Kombat and it looks ugly, please drown in a river of tears, because there is no way you are ruining this moment.

[Dander]

I dunno guys, I don't know if that kotaku guy is credible.

[elvis_a_presley]

it seems really short.

Maybe it's cold. And he *is* Japanese after all. :sweat:

[The Mullah]

graphics look nice, but they don't blow me away like the trailer did. i hope it's enough to draw in the casual gamers.

[Nokato]

I was more excited when I saw the first screenshots of SFIII than this, but its undeniable the curiosity that I have for it and the anticipation. I may not be shaking in my boots, so to speak like when I saw the first screenshots of SF III or the SF IV trailer, but I'm going to 7-11 on the way to work to look for the new issue of EGM, so that says something.

[Chozen1]

capcom said it's being developed by an INTERNAL TEAM AT CAPCOM JAPAN, jesus, why is this so hard for some of you to understand?

probably because people are ignorant and refuse to believe what others say; just my 2 cents.

[polarity]

so any bets on how long until we see the first idiot ignore this thread and post their own about this news?

[RPGv2]

Chun Li's stage huh?.

Now we get to see the guy choking his chicken in 3d.

Prediction: EGM April edition to show yet another Sheng Long picture.

[Ultima]

Didn't Capcom themselves say CoJ was developing? How the hell does Dimps get into this at this stage?

re: info

Why am I not surprised that the one day I'm away from the net in months because I'm travelling is when this shit hits? I swear, it happens every time: LAst time I travelled to NY in April was the day they announced SHFD.

On the plus side, I'm in the US at the moment, so hopefully I'll be able to pick up the new EGM. January issue should be out now, right? Or is it too early?

Oh and, Ryu's cock aside, that screen shot looks excellent. Most important is the fact that, unlike Capcom's other 3D+Fighting game efforts, it doesn't look like it should have come out 3 years ago. It's not exactly in the "makes everything else look like crap/indistinguishable from 3S in 3D" look I was hoping for, but maybe we're not quite at that level of power yet.

Ryu, Ken, Chun-li, Dhalsim back? Good start. Needs Guile, Sagat and Zangief back too. Anyone else from Sf2 is gravy.

I'm assuming that's CHun-li's stage, and it looks pretty good. Some of the background character models looks a bit low-poly, but I guess you can't have everything. If they animate decently well, I'm sure it'll all come together nicely.

[Atb_555]

They could also outsource,we don't know for sure right now.

Here's a look (http://youtube.com/watch?v=k3BYMrjgIT8) at a game created by DIMPS for those who never played a game from them:

(cough) wait and see :wgrin:

[polarity]

(cough) wait and see :wgrin:

give it up man, your "i know what's going on i'm going to be right just wait and see teehee!" shtick got tiresome last time. regardless of whether you actually know anything or not, it's annoying. either deliver some actual proof or just leave it alone.

[Atb_555]

Lol even if I say yes you and others wont believe me. Hence the point of what I said above. I dont need to prove anything the proof will manifest itself.

[polarity]

Lol even if I say yes you and others wont believe me. Hence the point of what I said above. I dont need to prove anything the proof will manifest itself.

of course we won't believe you because we have no reason to, even if you're right. given that, can't you just shut up about it? is it really that important to you to be able to say "i told you so" to a bunch of people who had no good reason to believe you in the first place?

[Duckdee]

The screenshot could be from a WIP build, but that might just be wishful thinking.

*goes off to spread the word*

[kedawa]

I like it, although I was expecting the worst. I may just buy a gaming mag for the first time in many, many years just for the preview.

Lol even if I say yes you and others wont believe me. Hence the point of what I said above. I dont need to prove anything the proof will manifest itself.
Voluntary ban if you're wrong?
The screenshot could be from a WIP build, but that might just be wishful thinking.

*goes off to spread the word*
The game isn't finished, so it's a WIP by definition.

[World Warrior]

That dude in the restaurant to the left looks like he has a blond flat-top and a green tanktop.

[Fallback]

2008 is looking up! HD remix and this(if its not pushed back lol)

[bill_rizer]

graphics look nice, but they don't blow me away like the trailer did. i hope it's enough to draw in the casual gamers.

I doubt that and that has nothing to do with SF.

Casual gamers only play Smash or Naruto 232 (I lost count seems like theirs a new one every month), when it comes to fighters.

If not that their playing FPS or RPG's.

It also depends what they release it on, I think the Wii and DS are the main choices for casual gamers, now obviously that counts the DS out, So far from that screen shot I see no reason why the Wii couldn't pull that off, but I dont know enough to know If it can handle it.

I think SF4 should be a multi-format game anyway but thats just me.

Someone mentioned it already but that Screenshot does give me that Killer Instinct feel especially the bottom half of Ryu, I'd be lying if a little piece of me didn't die when I saw it wasn't fully 2D, but I understand in this day and age that just can't happen.

Yea the background could be better but who cares its not too important.

I still want to see it moving before I start saying yay or nay on it.

I hate to agree with polarity but Atb_555 you need to put up or shut up.

[Taiki]

DIMPS isn't developing this, and whoever said so is beyond wrong.

This is being developed internally at Capcom Japan.

see: http://www.capcom.com/BBS/showpost.php?p=387393&postcount=52

However, this screen shot's background could ALSO be(other than a new character) Yun/Yang, Gen or Lee.

[Tigerboi]

2D = sigh of relief. No uneeded risks, thank you. I would've played it if it hadv'e been 3D though.

Ryu looks pretty sick, but the textures and background look kind of icky. But, the game is very certain to look better with due time.

EDIT: the more I look at the screen, the better it looks. check the visible threading on Ryu's gi, the scetch marks on his feet (most notably the left foot), and how each brick on the sidewalk is done in full 3D.

And then, dispite how fuzzy the screen is, the attention to detail in the background. look how clearly the kanji shows up on even the obscure signs. And the brick on the building too. Yeah, this game is going to be damn pretty.

[shinblanka]

Wow, this gets my hopes up, 2.5D is fine, as long as it's not 3D.

One thing that bothers me, it's Ryu, if they are going to show his penis, it should be huge, he's the main character. It should shoot fucking fireballs....








Can't believe they gave him a penis... Chun better have nipples then, if they are going for realism, otherwise it's sexual discrimination.

The pic looks sick! I can't wait for more updates! It looks like chun li stage from sf2ww.

1st of all any guy looking for ryu's dick is a sick person! Why would you even point that out? Since capcom did that chun li should be in her alpha uniform with her nipples poking through the body suit and a cammel toe for all to see! LoL

[JAMMAR]

They really weren't going to go with 3D. All momentum they had would've went to the drain with the negative reactions.

2.5D is nice. Next thing to wonder about is characters and gameplay.

Dhalsim is in... what does that mean for Necro? I'm fine with those four returning characters, but they should really emphasize new characters again like SF3.

Gameplay... I hope 2.5D doesn't make the game slower than 3S. It really needs to be faster. Not necessarily going back to ST speed, but it just has to be faster than 3S.

[DARKHOKAGE]

Ryu's all man yo!:rofl::rofl::rofl: I saw it finally, Makoto needs to be in this. I bet Chun is gonna be fine as hell!:lovin:


rep :tup:

[ha-dou-ken]

HYPEEE!!!! That shit looks so fire.I hope it plays as well as 2D.I'll have to pick up EGM for the first time since....FF7.

[Lonewolf_Fenrir]

http://treize.ryustemple.net/sf4parry.jpg
Parry anyone ? ^^

[Mana_boy]

Since capcom did that chun li should be in her alpha uniform with her nipples poking through the body suit and a cammel toe for all to see! LoL

Of course they will! They want this game to attract the DOA fans too!

[KindredSpiritz]

I've gotto say I'm quite impressed for the 2.5 D, delivering to both 2D and 3D fans.

Info cites that Ryu, Ken, Chun Li and Dhalsim are back...

I wanna see a poster of a new character....that would've made me cream my knickers.

[_MJ_#R]

http://treize.ryustemple.net/sf4parry.jpg
Parry anyone ? ^^

he parrying the air?

lul.

[tataki]

http://treize.ryustemple.net/sf4parry.jpg
Parry anyone ? ^^

you can't whiff a parry in 3s so maybe they just took the same motion for something else.

[Gutter Trash]

To me: I am happy that it respects the Street Fighter II concept art and direction style. It's not Alpha babies, it's not manga exagerated... it's Street Fighter II art style with age. That I like!

I like the outline surrounding the character, it will help distinguish the characters away from the busy background.

[Lonewolf_Fenrir]

That's not an ingame screenshot, that's an engine screenshot.
Else there would be another fighter in there.

@Gutter Trash: totally agree with you :)

[KORYNTHYAN]

The Chun Li stage has NEVER looked so alive. Wow. I'm still wondering what
the rest of the game will be like though...

I'm liking what I'm seeing so far although I was hoping for the gameplay to
be in 3D as well as the characters...

~K.

[FurryCurry]

Yeah a lot of cats are saying "But it doesn't look like the trailer!" and I'm thinking "Do you want to play a fighting game with that much crap going on? HOWEVER. Who's to say that it can't be used for supers!

So yeah the screenshot looks sweet and I'll be standing by my mailbox everyday waiting on that new EGM. I mean just look at that shading in his chest. And I bet his clothes are probably animating all fluidly n' stuff.

I'm really hoping that Alex, Makoto, and Urien make a return. They seem like fighters for life. And Mel just has to be in this game.

And one more thing. If Capcom doesn't give Ryu some Oro-esque moves I'll be really disappointed. I wanna see him do one hand hadoken specials.

[King9999]

That's it, I'm getting the SF4 issue of EGM. I haven't picked up EGM in years.

[lino]

so its basicly gonna be something like tekken/virtua fighter with projectiles instead of sidesteps. like all these naruto/bleach fighting games.
with sprites it could be something different. something more magical.
for now lets hope it dont has stupid bugs like the 3d kof games.

[yungb254]

I think everyone is going to pick up that copy of EGM. Ryu's Character model looks just like I'd want him to look in a 3d street fighter, they just need to do something about those background characters. This Dhalsim returning news gives hope for more returning characters. I'd take a guess and expect a character from every series to make it into the cast.

[Lebowsk1]

His feet are very reminiscent of SFIII style, wouldnt you say?

Looks good to me, I think they pass with this one. Next big test is when we see it moving.

[polarity]

so its basicly gonna be something like tekken/virtua fighter with projectiles instead of sidesteps. like all these naruto/bleach fighting games.
with sprites it could be something different. something more magical.
for now lets hope it dont has stupid bugs like the 3d kof games.

why is it so inconceivable to some of you that it could play like....sf4?

[KindredSpiritz]

Is EGM available in the UNited Kingdom? If so, I'm definitely getting it...

[Lonewolf_Fenrir]

Couldn't have said it better...
Why compare with silly anime games ? (i own some, but they're not that fun all in all...)

[Eminent]

2008 is looking up!
You say that now, but what if it decides to take a loved one?

for now lets hope it dont has stupid bugs like the 3d kof games.
"the 2d kof games have bugs too"
lol, Im just playing w/ you.

Seriously though, I think I too may pick up a EGM...That or wait for someone to scan it so I can save money :P.

[King9999]

This is being developed internally at Capcom Japan.

see: http://www.capcom.com/BBS/showpost.php?p=387393&postcount=52



That's great news.

[Steve F]

To me: I am happy that it respects the Street Fighter II concept art and direction style. It's not Alpha babies, it's not manga exagerated... it's Street Fighter II art style with age. That I like!

I like the outline surrounding the character, it will help distinguish the characters away from the busy background.

QFT. I fully agree with this. I'm not big on 3D games, but if it plays right, I will fuck with it.

[Digitalbooty]

S-KILL is playing SF4 with 1up dudes. Why is he not happier? (http://blog.capcom.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/11/image_055.jpg)



dun Dun DUNNNN!!!

[MiLky]

The pic looks sick! I can't wait for more updates! It looks like chun li stage from sf2ww.

1st of all any guy looking for ryu's dick is a sick person! Why would you even point that out? Since capcom did that chun li should be in her alpha uniform with her nipples poking through the body suit and a cammel toe for all to see! LoL


Point that out... it's right in the center of the fucking picture, even odd colored like a Hanna Barbara part of a brick wall about to be used for some shit next frame... yet you go along with the Chun shit, heh. One of these days we will actually connect on GGPO, maybe next build?!

On topic, they said this is still a WIP, so you nit pickers on the backgrounds need to wait. I am not holding my breath, but they are definitely not finished, and you know there are going to be optimizing the graphics and balance/gameplay over time. Until I see the game in motion, I reserve my judgement. Even then, if it plays well, I'll be happy. It's not like HF or ST look amazing today, yet I seem to love those fuckers to death. I still like Karate Champ for christs sake, though I swear I used to be better at it.

Very interested in the hands on details in that new EGM. I will sadly/happily read them here, as Maui is about a week late on mags. post that info up whoever gets it first!

[Digitalbooty]

Once EGM comes out, we can get some real discussion in the SF4 forum.

[Xiii]

All this talk about camel toes. What's Cammy gonna get if she makes a return then?

[lino]

why is it so inconceivable to some of you that it could play like....sf4?

we dont even know how sf4 it plays like. we can only coment on what we do know.
so far its just an other 3d fighter, but with ryu in it.

[Corner-Trap]

It's a good thing that I've been subscribing to EGM since 05. But EGM doesn't have a good track record with fighting games(usually saying that don't make sense or are utterly untrue). Plus they have a real big bias towards SC and VF.

[shinblanka]

Yeah a lot of cats are saying "But it doesn't look like the trailer!" and I'm thinking "Do you want to play a fighting game with that much crap going on? HOWEVER. Who's to say that it can't be used for supers!

So yeah the screenshot looks sweet and I'll be standing by my mailbox everyday waiting on that new EGM. I mean just look at that shading in his chest. And I bet his clothes are probably animating all fluidly n' stuff.

I'm really hoping that Alex, Makoto, and Urien make a return. They seem like fighters for life. And Mel just has to be in this game.

And one more thing. If Capcom doesn't give Ryu some Oro-esque moves I'll be really disappointed. I wanna see him do one hand hadoken specials.

Oro should return using both arms and ryu should have oro's special grab!

[MiLky]

All this talk about camel toes. What's Cammy gonna get if she makes a return then?

Hopefully a sweet looking ass.

Edit: on topic again, I hope they do get some top players to test it out like SFHD, I know Seth is there, but a few more wouldn't hurt. There is alot of time before release to get things nice.... I think.

[Dragonfave723]

Look promising so far. Can't wait to run to my nearest bookstore and look over the January EGM issue myself :smokin:

[polarity]

we dont even know how sf4 it plays like. we can only coment on what we do know.
so far its just an other 3d fighter, but with ryu in it.

no it isnt, seeing as it plays 2d

[Tigerboi]

That's not an ingame screenshot, that's an engine screenshot.
Else there would be another fighter in there.




Or maybe it's just up close enough for the other character not to be on screen, ala, stage intro?

[Dencore]

2.5D....*Sigh*

[FurryCurry]

S-KILL is playing SF4 with 1up dudes. Why is he not happier? (http://blog.capcom.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/11/image_055.jpg)



dun Dun DUNNNN!!!

dun dun dunnnn is right!

They should have photoshoped out the PS3 CONTROLER! I'm glad Milke got to go. His my favorite from 1up/EGM. Looks cool. Acts cool. And seems to interview a lot of people. And had the balls to diss on Phantom Hourglass a bit.

Or maybe it's just up close enough for the other character not to be on screen, ala, stage intro?

1up has already said that it was an engine screenshot.

[alchemist78]

Background looks possibly 3Dish, but I like that they are keeping it 2D :D

[lino]

no it isnt, seeing as it plays 2d
what makes it playing 2d? no sidesteps? is a sprites based fighter that involes side steps playing 3d? to me side steps is just an other mechanic, like paries and alpha counters.

[Projectjustice]

This is pretty freaking amazing! I cant wait for the new EGM!

[Duckdee]

what makes it playing 2d?
At a guess, moving across 2 dimensions. X and Y. Horizontal and vertical.

[Atb_555]

Is EGM available in the UNited Kingdom? If so, I'm definitely getting it...

Very few newsagents have it. Best to consult your local one.

[Dragonfave723]

http://www.1up.com/do/feature?cId=3164488

^^ Anyone noticed on the "Related Games" section, the release date for SF4 is posted as "06/15/2008"?

[buyproduct]

In the screen shot, that guy at the bar of the tea house looks like guile. If they are bring a sonic boom type character back I prefer it be Remy over guile and charlie. Remy has a better move set and more mobility. Guile just has better character development.

[Lonewolf_Fenrir]

Is there a way for non us residents to get EGM ? :p
(i'm not in the uk either)

[onyx]

I was kind of hoping we'd see some of the inky shit from the trailer, but I do admit it probably would have gotten really distracting after the novelty wore off. Best that they left it out.

Well you never know, it could get all inky n splash when they do supers, we really havent seen anything yet so dont rule it out.


Oh, and FUCK YEAH FOR 2D GAMEPLAY!!!!! What'dya know, Capcom does love us after all.

If only RARE loved us as well:sad:
. When I hear polygonal sprites I get a little worried (Killer Instinct anyone?)--but seeing as Capcom has shown that the 2-D aspect isn't being abandoned in the art I'm sure that more screenshots will show off the look of the game.

Err was'nt Killer Insticts sprite's rendered???:confused: There no way what that was in game pol'ys back then.

-- Game looks good, glad it gonna play 2-d. Hope it moves smoothly and the transition animations are good. Choppy transitions phuck up any game. Most of all, i'm looking forward to a fresh game with people playing their own style, figureing $hit out for themselvs and not copy'n big players. Originality will return again, at least until a couple years after the release when the sheep get back in the herd.:wgrin:

[shinblanka]

All this talk about camel toes. What's Cammy gonna get if she makes a return then?

I didn't think about cammy! Hooligan throw=camel toe in your mouth ftw! In this instance who is the winner? Cammy or ryu? Cammy lands the special grab to deal damage, but ryu has a face full of camel toe and counters with corkscrew tounge action ftw!

I'm sorry I couldn't stop typing that bs! LoL. I will try to keep that talk out of this thread!

[kz0060]

what makes it playing 2d?

ngga it's been confirmed that the gameplay is 2D. If that's what Capcom said then why question it? I would think they would know a lil' something on how a 3d fighter and 2d fighter plays differently.

And yes, Ryu's dang dang is broke as all hell.

[P.o.t.S.]

I hope they're going to keep the screen/characters proportion the same as the 2D games, not having the camera right on top of the characters like most 3D games. And I suppose it'll use zooming like SamSho and Project Justice.

[Nokato]

After looking at the pic again, I don't think that's Ryu's "superbar". More than likely its a screenshot that happened to be in an inbetween of his clothes moving and it happened to make a contour that is seemingly phallic.

[m121akuma]

Man-crotch has never looked so good!
Capcom just got me hyped again.

[Hol Horse]

I was hoping for a gorgeus 2d graphics, so I'm disappointed. But in the meantime, the did choose the best 3d style they could - it's still cool, the design retains the "sf colors" and body proportions (which are quite close to Ryu's 3s sprite). Even with 10 times the polingons, VF or Tekken-style would have been way worse.

So while I wanted pixel art, I'm still somewhat satisfied in how the game looks (but we need to see that in motion too, of course). I think gameplay footage and features are still a long way to be revealed, but I have high hopes on those.
Oh, and for the next update I hope they unveal some NEW characters, or at least returning characters that are NOT from sf2. I mean, I'm happy to see those 4 back (expecially Ryu and 'sim) and the remade Chun Li stage looks pretty, but we don't need "sf2:the polygon warriors", we need sf4. Next time they have to show something new.
And by the way, they should start nerfing Chun Li asap - if they start now, there's still a chance she'll end up being a balanced character this time :lovin:

[hubcapsignstop]

does 3d graphics mean no cancels
strictly links?

[SuicidalGrandpa]

2.5D, the Indian and Chun coming back...good news. Very good news.

[Tigerboi]

what makes it playing 2d? no sidesteps? is a sprites based fighter that involes side steps playing 3d?

....well, yes, technically it would be.

[felineki]

2D gameplay, 6 button system, good. The stage design seems nice, very reminiscient of Chun-Li's stages in SF2 and SF3. Cool to have Dhalsim back.

[quiche]

Lol, since when was Ryu a purple-belt?

I like the models in the shot, but I have some issues with the colors. Currently doing a color-correction to how i think it should look.

...seriously.

[Bass X0]

At a guess, moving across 2 dimensions. X and Y. Horizontal and vertical.

Fatal Fury 1 is a 3D fighter?

[Tigerboi]

Fatal Fury 1 is a 3D fighter?

Are you implying that FF1 moves in 3 demensions? I mean, you're not right? Because it doesn't. If it does, then so does double dragon.

[P.o.t.S.]

does 3d graphics mean no cancels
strictly links?
Wouldn't be SF without cancels, so I'd say it doesn't.

[Bass X0]

I meant you can move into the background. Horizontal and vertical just like the other guy said.

U.K. fans should be able to get EGM from Borders or some specialist newsagents.

And I can just imagine 1Up...
"How can we get people talking about the screenshot even more?"
"Lets make it look like his penis is visible."
"Penis jokes are so lame and juvenile... okay."

[hubcapsignstop]

Wouldn't be SF without cancels, so I'd say it doesn't.
is there any precedent for 3d games with cancels?
or will Capcom have to innovate

[Atb_555]

I meant you can move into the background. Horizontal and vertical just like the other guy said.

U.K. fans should be able to get EGM from Borders or some specialist newsagents.

And I can just imagine 1Up...
"How can we get people talking about the screenshot even more?"
"Lets make it look like his penis is visible."
"Penis jokes are so lame and juvenile... okay."

IIRC my local high street WHSmiths stock EGM mags. Game did too havent been there in a while though.

[m121akuma]

And Mel just has to be in this game.

Word. Mel NEEDS to be in this game.

[Havoc]

Damn.

When was the last time niggas had to actually wait for the new EGM to get info?

[cain[e]]

haha showin' people at work that might care, couple of them said it looked cool and might pick the game back up. all of them said "4? what about 3?"

[Havoc]

Are you implying that FF1 moves in 3 demensions? I mean, you're not right? Because it doesn't. If it does, then so does double dragon.

Double Dragon does move in 3D.


You can go left/right (one....)
Into and out of the screen (two...)
and jump up (three...)

So... that being said, the Fatal Fury series also runs in three dimensions. I really don't see how you can argue otherwise.

Even SF has elements of a third dimension. Cammy's Spin Knuckle for instance. It will pass through shit when she spins. She's obviously side-stepping moves. So, if we already have left/right, up/down (2 dimensions), and there's another one introduced into the system, well, I haven't taken a math class in years, but I believe 2+1=3.

SF only has certain elements that could be considered 3D, but Fatal Fury and Double Dragon move along 3 planes. Just because they don't have completely free motion and polygonal graphics doesn't mean it isn't 3D.

[Bass X0]

Is there a way for non us residents to get EGM ? :p
(i'm not in the uk either)

IIRC my local high street WHSmiths stock EGM mags. Game did too havent been there in a while though.

They used to. I don't think they do anymore now.

[quiche]

Ok, here's my color correction to how I think it should look.

ORIGINAL (http://media.1up.com/media?id=3448787&type=lg)
CORRECTED (http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a347/givequicheachance/COLORCORRECTSF4.jpg)

...seriously.

[Nick T.]

Damn.

When was the last time niggas had to actually wait for the new EGM to get info?

*remembers being 11-12 ish years old *

I'll pick it up.

[polarity]

you jsut made it evening

[Barky]

HOLY SHIT THIS LOOKS GREAT

looks like I have to buy a ps3 now

[Duckdee]

Ok, here's my color correction to how I think it should look.

ORIGINAL (http://media.1up.com/media?id=3448787&type=lg)
CORRECTED (http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a347/givequicheachance/COLORCORRECTSF4.jpg)

...seriously.

Good work, I like it.

[Tigerboi]

Double Dragon does move in 3D.


You can go left/right (one....)
Into and out of the screen (two...)
and jump up (three...)

So... that being said, the Fatal Fury series also runs in three dimensions. I really don't see how you can argue otherwise.


Well guys, Havoc just gave me a stroke. I see you when I get out of the hospital.

[zerog]

Are there any fighting games out right now that have 3d characters/stages with 2d gameplay? To have an idea of what the game will feel like?

[Dencore]

The developers are going to go through hell with getting those hitboxes right.

[polarity]

I hope they're actually using 2D hitboxes and not 3D collision detection.

[Zinac]

I hope they're actually using 2D hitboxes and not 3D collision detection.

If the gameplay is 2D, I see no reason why they wouldn't use 2D ones.

[Taiki]

IIRC The Rumble Fish used 2D hitboxes with 3D rendering, so it's not unheard of.

[Dencore]

I hope they're actually using 2D hitboxes and not 3D collision detection.

I don't think 2D HitBoxes are possible with polygons, well from what I've heard and my minimum expereince in game developing. Well at least not as well.

[cain[e]]

Ok, here's my color correction to how I think it should look.

ORIGINAL (http://media.1up.com/media?id=3448787&type=lg)
CORRECTED (http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a347/givequicheachance/COLORCORRECTSF4.jpg)

...seriously.


yeah, that's some good shit in the corrected one :tup:

[Sano]

Screenshot looks great and Chun-Li is returning. I'm really happy! :lovin:

[Xiii]

I don't think 2D HitBoxes are possible with polygons, well from what I've heard and my minimum expereince in game developing. Well at least not as well.

They are very possible and there are only a few technical things to worry about depending on how you go about doing the hit detection. It should actually be an easier form of hit detection as I don't think they even did model to model hit detection for the longest time. It's mostly been invisible bounding boxes that are placed where the object is to restrict things. You can even do hit detection by relative distance, but that ends up being really garbage hit detection for a fighter.

[Dencore]

They are very possible and there are only a few technical things to worry about depending on how you go about doing the hit detection. It should actually be an easier form of hit detection as I don't think they even did model to model hit detection for the longest time. It's mostly been invisible bounding boxes that are placed where the object is to restrict things. You can even do hit detection by relative distance, but that ends up being really garbage hit detection for a fighter.

Not to sound like a retard, but I didn't really get what you said. So are you saying that it's possible to do it with only few minor issues.

[fallot]

is there any precedent for 3d games with cancels?
or will Capcom have to innovate

Doesn't Rumble Fish etc. have cancels ? That has 3d character models as well.

[Lonewolf_Fenrir]

Ok, here's my color correction to how I think it should look.

ORIGINAL (http://media.1up.com/media?id=3448787&type=lg)
CORRECTED (http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a347/givequicheachance/COLORCORRECTSF4.jpg)

...seriously.

Hmm no way.
I like bright colors ^^ Much more in the SF tradition than your "correction".

edit: there is NO need for hitboxes with 3D models.
Hitboxes were a way to simulate collision between 2D sprites, but with 3D models, it's coded in the engine.

[Leebee Link]

Doesn't Rumble Fish etc. have cancels ? That has 3d character models as well.

they aren't 3d

i think the guy was joking anyways

[Eduardo24]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JwjJa9l1cSo (Battle Fantasia)

If SF4 has this approach (not comabat system) then it will be alright to me.

[Wellman]

Excuse the bitchin' but I got to get it out now.

I can't believe they are bringing Dhalsim back, of all the SF2 fools to bring back (although I remain of the opinion it should only be a handfull) I'd prefer he was left out of the new game. Especially since it means damn near all the other SF2 characters will be appearing in SF4 then if they have room for him.

Eh, Ryu looks good (it sort of looks like the beginning of his overhead punch) although I don't think I ever wanted to know that nigga goes commando when fighting.


Are there any fighting games out right now that have 3d characters/stages with 2d gameplay? To have an idea of what the game will feel like?

Rumble Fish?

[jhferry]

Looks good, I will really miss the hand drawn sprites

[CPS_3]

What are you guys smoking? :rofl: the game beeing 3D doesn't have anything to do with cancels being in there or not. Why in Hell are cancels not supposed to work in 3D? Seriously, watch a sports game(video game) you're canceling animations all the time XD

You guys are funny.

[rsigley]

why is ryus penis huge in that pic

[polarity]

Rumble Fish?

battle fantasia is the best example

[hubcapsignstop]

they aren't 3d

i think the guy was joking anyways
no
it was a totally honest question and i appreciate the responses

i also was under the impression that rumblefish was sprite based and did not use 3d models (the smooth animation was result of some new cmputer animation hardware)
if so, it would not serve as an example of precedent
(i dont know much about 3d games)


*edit:
What are you guys smoking? :rofl: the game beeing 3D doesn't have anything to do with cancels being in there or not. Why in Hell are cancels not supposed to work in 3D? Seriously, watch a sports game(video game) you're canceling animations all the time XD

You guys are funny.
never played them but thanks fo rinfo

[Dander]

battle fantasia is the best example

is the only one that'll work too, because all other games that have tried this approach have failed harder than every other sf4 thread on this forum.

[Sousuke]

sorry but please, can someone scan the pages after EGM hit. seriously...i live here in the middle of nowhere.:sad:

[buyproduct]

Are there any fighting games out right now that have 3d characters/stages with 2d gameplay? To have an idea of what the game will feel like?

Battle Fantasia. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_Fantasia)

Some battle fantasia game play footage (http://youtube.com/watch?v=JwjJa9l1cSo).

[sailboat]

hahaha, it's only 10 AM and theres already 9 pages.


mad excited about the game being 2d gameplay.. and Ryu looks like a straight thug. And maybe that fat bulge isn't his penis. I'm sure Ryu's matured over time, and realized he should use a cup. Extra-large only, obviously.


edit: and is ryu's hair looking a few shades lighter than maybe it should be? perhaps he's greying up a little bit... if age is being considered.. maybe dhalsim will have a super art where he grabs a cane and therefore can stretch attack full screen until his bar runs out.. or his o2 tank. :lol:

[Atomic #]

Damn that looks nice.... I know Namco is going to do a playable SC 4 demo at CES... PLEASE CAPCOM! Please have a SF4 test or something... 1/07/2008!!!

[Tura Satana]

is the only one that'll work too, because all other games that have tried this approach have failed harder than every other sf4 thread on this forum.


2.5D is fairly rare as it is. But its probably Capcom's only chance of satisfying both hardcore fans AND the next gen market.

And the pic to me looks like a concept drawing of Ryu pasted over a screenshot of the background..

[Nairdas]

Good shit. Ryu Looks sick. I will be picking up the egm immediately.

I bet Chunners is fine as hell. Dhalsim is back huh? I was never really a Dhalsim fan so I'm a little disappointed. I'm hoping they'll bring back Makoto. I just like playing with her for some reason.

[FallingEdge]

Looks like I am going to buy my first copy of EGM in years.

[General Deamond]

So far SF4 is looking good. I wanted hand drawn 2D sprites but the new style is very cool. I'm just wondering why Sim was put in. Regardless, SF4 is going to happen and that's all that matters to me.

[Darklightjg1]

why is ryus penis huge in that pic

Heh, if you think that's huge... wait 'til you see Dhalsim's new "attack".:lol:


... Anyway, the screenshot looks nice, but I am sick and tired of Capcom holding back on showing me screens with my Chunners (in both this and ST: HD Remix).
I wanna see Chun dammit!:lovin:

[Nokato]

EGM is gonna get dat paper this month....

[lino]

come on, all 3d fighters fighters plays 2d. tekken=2.5d. its just that some of them involves side steps and moves to counter side steps. yeh sure, virtua fighter 5 feels different then sfce. but thats because its an other game, just like st plays different then 3s. its like saying tekken 3 turned tekken 3d. side steps changed the way you play tekken, just like paries changed the way you play sf. to me no side steps do not decide what makes a fighter feel 2d, but sprites do.

look at that screenshot, its just like every other 3d game out there. just change the name into smash masters, then slightly change the looks of the returning characters and rename them, and you all probably would not care that much about this game.

this game will probably play very different then sf3, just like sf3 played different then sf2, just like every 2d/3d game out there plays differnt then both sf2 and sf3.
to me what made it street fighter was the anime style 2d graphics and thats just gone now. all what is left is the name and a few returing characters.

[polarity]

you are retarded

[Tigerboi]

^It's quite amazing that the simple concept of the differences between FUCKING DEMINSIONS is so hard for some people to grasp.

EGM is gonna get dat paper this month....

They've been on quite a roll lately. Scoring exclusive info for big hyped games like Soul Calibur 4, Silent Hill 5, Halo 3 and of course, Street Fighter 4.

[XEN MASTER MARK]

Uh, this is a picture of a nearly finished stage, with an image of Ryu pasted over the top. :confused:

There's no evidence of facets or lighting discontinuities on the character, none of it's materials show even slight signs of warping from 3D to 2D projection (they look as though they were drawn from exactly the vantage point in this shot). His silhouette is too perfect; from any arbitrary vantage point there should be an angle where at least some of the facets which make up a model are evident - especially given the resolution of the character in this image. There are no aliasing or filtering artifacts on the whole model; If you look at the area where his torn pants overlap his right shin, there should be aliasing artifacts ('jaggies') at the boundary where one pixel is cloth and the next is skin, no matter how good your anti-aliasing is. There are none. His feet, and especially his toes, scream "2D cut out".

Not that there's anything wrong with that. They just want to keep folks talking about the game. It worked. Happens in games advertising all the time. Anyone remember the Killzone 2 video?

This months EGM will be utter pap, like all games related journalism these days. 7 pages of A3 sized pictures or artwork and 3 paragraphs of text - Only 5% of which will be factual. The whole industry is fighting tooth and nail to stay alive, despite being the middle-man the web made obsolete. I'm gonna wait for any facts, scans and screenies to appear online - where Capcom should have put them in the first place.

But that's just me being a jaded bastard :D

[altergenesis]

When you're talking about 2.5D, Battle Fantasia is bad example. Check Rumble Fish 2 for how it should be done.

[polarity]

When you're talking about 2.5D, Battle Fantasia is bad example. Check Rumble Fish 2 for how it should be done.

Uh, Battle Fantasia looks way, way better than RF2 and its goofy-ass animation.

[Henaki]

When you're talking about 2.5D, Battle Fantasia is bad example. Check Rumble Fish 2 for how it should be done.

RF2 isn't 3d it's just layered body parts. it's a high budget flash game. battle fantasia IS a good example because it shows that cancels/fast attacks that rely on imaginative keyframing (ie one of the two biggest facets of making a 3d game 2d) can in fact, look good in 3d. the other major flaw of 3d is its very hard to put cartoonish looking expressions/movement into a game: see blankas backdash as an example, this is a much smaller problem because it just makes the game look a lot more stylish and does not actually affect gameplay.

[V4MPIRO]

Looks like Ryu is on hes Parry animation.

[Henaki]

Looks like Ryu is on hes Parry animation.

thats his 3s taunt dude not to mention its a pretty generic fighting pose anyway.

[lino]

^It's quite amazing that the simple concept of the differences between FUCKING DEMINSIONS is so hard for some people to grasp.

what i was trying to say is that moving between demensions, side steps, is just an other feature. its just not that big of a deal. 2.5d is just 3d without the side steps. saying its 2.5d just dont say that much about the gameplay, just as much as saying it dont involve parries.
now everyone is so happy that its gonna feel 2d, while that just means you cant do side steps. maybe side steps would not even hurt the game.

[UltraDavid]

Eh, I gotta be honest... I think this is kinda dumb looking. His musculature is way off!

Nah, but seriously, I don't think it looks that cool. How's it going, every scene from Shenmue circa 2000?

PS Sidesteps are a huge change to gameplay and can't help but be so.

[Gutter Trash]

i do not like the term 2.5D because there is no such thing a 2.5D. It`s a false term

SF4 is 3D graphicly rendered and plays 2D style fighting

3D models being rendered into frames sprites is not 2.5D either. Weather you digitise people (Mortal Kombat) or render frames of a 3D model into 2D sprites. That is 2D and not 2.5D

Maybe I`m just an animator ranting on about the term 2.5D but I`m speaking on fact.

SFIV is 3D. Even if the gameplay is 2D style, it`s still 3D.

[Henaki]

Eh, I gotta be honest... I think this is kinda dumb looking. His musculature is way off!

Nah, but seriously, I don't think it looks that cool. How's it going, every scene from Shenmue circa 2000?

PS Sidesteps are a huge change to gameplay and can't help but be so.

Eh, it looks a lot better than Shenmue, it's going for some sort of watercolory style which I can appreciate. I'd rather something look stylized/good and have a lower poly count than a high poly jerkoff.

[Lvl.3]

Uh, Battle Fantasia looks way, way better than RF2 and its goofy-ass animation.

You're saying you want SF4 to play like Battle Fantasia? Thats game looks terrible. RF2 animation looks smoother. I really was hoping SF4 was going to go the cell shaded route. In a sense I like it, and in a sense I don't. But from one pic, and no vid, it's too early to judge the game. Hopefully it dosen't come out SF4....EX.


No Alex...? I thought him and Ryu had a new rivalry going on storywise?

[hubcapsignstop]

^It's quite amazing that the simple concept of the differences between FUCKING DEMINSIONS is so hard for some people to grasp.
the confusion comes from the fact that 2.5 D is merely a convention

i also was under the impression that 2.5D was a huge swath under which fell tekken, etc...
they all fight on a 2 D plane with sidesteps and such (which just momentarily reset the plane) but the graphics are 3d
i figured a true 3d fighter would be shit like power stone or some shit like that (there is prob a better example but i dont play any 3d games)

[Nokato]

To be honest, I think the game would've looked better if Akiman and CRMK were lead character designers and they created traditional 2-D sprites and had them animated at a higher quality and hi-res similar to the resolution of Sammy's 2-D games. For the endings, have someone like Kinu Nishimura draw them or the win/lose cinematics.


No matter how you cut it, SF4 is 3-D. I'll still play the game regardless but a part of me is a little hurt. Nonetheless I'll still play it, as long as its not like...the EX series.

[Humbag]

must see... the ISSUE

[baby jesus]

no homo but ryu has a boner in the picture

[Tura Satana]

i do not like the term 2.5D because there is no such thing a 2.5D. It`s a false term

SF4 is 3D graphicly rendered and plays 2D style fighting

3D models being rendered into frames sprites is not 2.5D either. Weather you digitise people (Mortal Kombat) or render frames of a 3D model into 2D sprites. That is 2D and not 2.5D

Maybe I`m just an animator ranting on about the term 2.5D but I`m speaking on fact.

SFIV is 3D. Even if the gameplay is 2D style, it`s still 3D.

2.5D is the accepted term to describe gameplay restricted to a 2D plane while using 3D graphics and 3D models. We realize its not really 2 1/2 dimensional gameplay or animation.

[Mowbs]

I know it's the January issue, but does anyone know exactly when that EGM will be available?

[Lvl.3]

no homo but ryu has a boner in the picture

Well, he hasn't seen ken in a while.:wink:

[Nokato]

I know it's the January issue, but does anyone know exactly when that EGM will be available?


Supposedly, December 18th. I'm sure it might appear on newsstands before that. I just hate this teasing crap.

[XEN MASTER MARK]

Enough of the 2D, 2.5D and 3D already. :lol:

The graphics are 3D.
The gameplay has 4 degrees of freedom. Up, down, left and right. Exactly the same as 3S or ST or MvC.

That's all that matters.

EDIT:

Tekken and VF have 5 degrees of freedom by adding sidesteps.
First Person Shooters have 6 degrees of freedom. Up down, left, right, forward and backward.

[TheDarkPhoenix]

Its cell shaded..

Not that hard to see

[MiyagiShin X]

Character Model is really nicely done.

Im as excited as Ryu is in that picture.

[inkblot]

Uh, this is a picture of a nearly finished stage, with an image of Ryu pasted over the top. :confused:


Crap, you're right. The screenshot looks like a total fake. It's probably a concept of what they want the finished character to look like.

Edit: Seth assures me that the screenshot is real. If you look a the heel of Ryu's left foot you can see a small straight edge that might indicate a polygon. I dunno -- time will tell.

[Adam Warlock]

This shit feels like the original CFE all over again...

[Burnsro]

When I hear polygonal sprites I get a little worried (Killer Instinct anyone?)--


Wait, sorry but I'm confused here. So these are sprites? I thought it would be like in Rival Schools where they are polygonal models but in a 2 dimensional environment.

[Tura Satana]

This shit feels like the original CFE all over again...

Except that looked better.. and like actual gameplay.

I find it hard to believe Capcom would release this as their first photo, especially after the spectacular trailer. Rather someone stole a concept from their studio and sold it.

[Burnsro]

Crap, you're right. The screenshot looks like a total fake. It's probably a concept of what they want the finished character to look like.

Edit: Seth assures me that the screenshot is real. If you look a the heel of Ryu's left foot you can see a small straight edge that might indicate a polygon. I dunno -- time will tell.

For further evidence that it's real you can see Ryu's shadow.

[polarity]

For further evidence that it's real you can see Ryu's shadow.

lollllllllll

[Sacr3D]

Except that looked better.. and like actual gameplay.

I find it hard to believe Capcom would release this as their first photo, especially after the spectacular trailer. Rather someone stole a concept from their studio and sold it.

Foolish.

[Ponder]

Enough of the 2D, 2.5D and 3D already. :lol:

The graphics are 3D.
The gameplay has 4 degrees of freedom. Up, down, left and right. Exactly the same as 3S or ST or MvC.

That's all that matters.

EDIT:

Tekken and VF have 5 degrees of freedom by adding sidesteps.
First Person Shooters have 6 degrees of freedom. Up down, left, right, forward and backward.

I suppose it depends on how you define "freedom". The freedom to temporarily escape the x-axis by jumping (along a predefined route) isn't really that free, is it? If you're allowed to express partial degrees of freedom with decimal points, you could say something like.

Classic has 1.1 degrees of freedom (only jumping to escape the X axis).

CvS2 has something like 1.3 degrees of freedom (rolls and S-Groove temporarily put you in the Z axis, at least with respect to attacks).

Tekken has around 1.1 (!) degrees of freedom (the Y axis is almost never utilized. Side-stepping accomlishes about as much as S-Groove (i.e. extremely limited, short-term escape of the X-axis) and rotation about the Y-axis, but that's not freedom).

MvC2 has around 1.8 degrees of freedom (super jumping + flying for some characters (true 2 degrees!) + increased mobility on the X axis)

Powerstone has 2.2 degrees of freedom (complete freedom to roam the X-Z plane and limited access to the Y axis via jumping).

For games that are predominately about controlling space (i.e. everything by Capcom) the more degrees of freedom you have the bigger the attacks need to be to restrict space. Otherwise the game becomes really silly. This is why MvC2 has such huge projectiles and attacks (e.g. hailstorm, which covers 80% of the screen!) and why Powerstone sucks (too much freedom and not enough attacks to cut off your opponent). In these types of games freedom is not a good thing.

In games predominiately about controlling time (mainly 3d games like Tekken) your character's access off the x-axis is limited to make you focus on how many frames ahead or behind you currently are and the yomi in using this information to predict your opponents next response and countering it. Side-step is added solely because it makes that mind game better: not because they want to add more dimensions of freedom of movement.

This, IMO, is a more useful characterization. It helps to show why these games are designed they way they are and (more importantly) describes the way they aren't! For example, SF is about controlling space. About restricting your opponents options as close to 0 degress of freedom as possible. Therefore you cannot add another full dimension of freedom to SF without making it not SF! You'd have to do things like make fireballs expand to cover the whole X-Z plane (think expanding circle or something). I have no idea how you'd translate a dragon punch.

[espiochamaeleo]

If Dee Jay is in this game I'll probably faint. Otherwise, we need Guile, Zangief, Balrog, and Sagat.

And I'm begging for Hugo, Zangief vs. Hugo is a dream to me.

[Mowbs]

All it is is a still photo. It's probably still not actualt gameplay.

I want to see some more of that calligraphy looking shit from the teaser. That looks fuckin nice.

[EndLeSS8]

Looks good.

I'm glad it doesn't have useless distracting neon lights like Tekken.

I really really wished that the style would of been the original Capcom artist who did the official art for Champion Edition and Hyper Fighting. If there was a 3D version of Ryu in that style, I would of died and gone to Heaven.
I would of liked Ryu to look a bit more Japanese.

I am dissappointed that Chunli and Dhalsim are back.
I thought it would of been a new story, with new characters. I hope that they have a place in the storyline.

Overall, I am pleased.
I hope Super Arts have the style like the trailer, though

[Ferdinandz]

Except that looked better.. and like actual gameplay.

I find it hard to believe Capcom would release this as their first photo, especially after the spectacular trailer. Rather someone stole a concept from their studio and sold it.

You're a fucking idiot.

If you really thought gameplay was going to be something as mesmerizing/distracting as shawn in that teaser trailer then you deserve to be called an idiot.

[Keits]

At this point,, i have to guess that this game takes place between sf2 and 3. It would be nice to see every old character (sf1, alpha,, and 3) return in downlodable updates, along with new faces and cameros from othwr sf universe games.

[seantree]

Ok, here's my color correction to how I think it should look.

ORIGINAL (http://media.1up.com/media?id=3448787&type=lg)
CORRECTED (http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a347/givequicheachance/COLORCORRECTSF4.jpg)

...seriously.

Color corrected one looks great. I found the original too bright. Guess I'll grab the new EGM also or wait for someone to scan that shit and upload it.