why cant people play old fighting games? ST is the SF!

[{PFH}-Lake]

ST, MVC1, Vamp Sav, UMK3, SF-champ ed, KOF games for the win. Why most we force are self to listen to these people to play new fighting games. We play old fighting games cause there fun, GG fanboys can have GG.

[ProfessorS]

Word.

[Humbag]

Because people have their own fucking opinions and preferences to what they want to play.

Majority of people today want to play something different it seems. Whether that be GG, AH, SF4 (haha).

Me on the other hand, I like playing these newer games (3s is my forte though) but I want to go back to ST (A2 also thanks GGPO) to learn the games I missed when I grew up.

[polarity]

While they're sometimes too biased towards rushdown and unnecessarily execution-intensive, MvC2 and GG are very much based on many of the gameplay principles that made SF2 great. Moreso than SF3 and most other modern games, anyway.

[orochizoolander]

MVC1 for the win.


:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

[Humbag]

While they're sometimes too biased towards rushdown and unnecessarily execution-intensive, MvC2 and GG are very much based on many of the gameplay principles that made SF2 great. Moreso than SF3 and most other modern games, anyway.

Can you go one post without mentioning 3s? lol

[¯¬ J a s e ¬¯]

ST, MVC1, Vamp Sav, UMK3, SF-champ ed, KOF games for the win. Why most we force are self to listen to these people to play new fighting games. We play old fighting games cause there fun, GG fanboys can have GG.

I hate you and I fully agree with you.

[{PFH}-Lake]

:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl: its a trap

[polarity]

Can you go one post without mentioning 3s? lol

i guess it's on my mind a lot lately with all the people complaining that parry isn't in sf4

[DevilJin 01]

i guess it's on my mind a lot lately with all the people complaining that parry isn't in sf4

I don't know why they'd do that...just play SF3.

What other games do you believe are outside of the realm of traditional SF play? As far as ones that are regularly played in arcades or at Evo.

Oh and who actually forces people to play newer games? I can't believe there was actually a reason to make this topic.

[¯¬ J a s e ¬¯]

Oh and who actually forces people to play newer games? I can't believe there was actually a reason to make this topic.


http://forums.shoryuken.com/showthread.php?t=140366 :confused:

[DevilJin 01]

http://forums.shoryuken.com/showthread.php?t=140366 :confused:

Yeah...I saw that topic soon after. :lol:

Honestly I think the topic creator's post was terribly misunderstood though. The first reply to the topic was someone getting defensive about SF. Which he wasn't attacking SF. Even by just reading the topic title you can tell that he was only asking why more people don't play GG. That's all he was asking. There's nothing wrong with him asking that since GG overall is a very good fighting game series. It just hasn't grabbed all of the fighting game community yet. He wasn't telling people to drop ST and 3rd for GG. Once people took things the wrong way...the topic went to shit.

[IzunaDrop]

I agree completely. I'm an ST player for life. I absolutely love SF II, but basically no one in Oklahoma plays it. In OK, everyone who plays competitively plays 3s, Marvel, or Guilty Gear, and at tourneys we have to have a completely free ST tourney to get anyone to play. A couple of years back Dark Geese and I tried to run one at the Oklahoma State Championships, only to have no one interested.

It's somewhat depressing because I've spent so much time on that game learning it, only to have no one willing to ever play it. I mean, I play new games too, so it's not an issue, but I'm like 10 times better at ST than any of the other games.

[DevilJin 01]

I agree completely. I'm an ST player for life. I absolutely love SF II, but basically no one in Oklahoma plays it. In OK, everyone who plays competitively plays 3s, Marvel, or Guilty Gear, and at tourneys we have to have a completely free ST tourney to get anyone to play. A couple of years back Dark Geese and I tried to run one at the Oklahoma State Championships, only to have no one interested.

It's somewhat depressing because I've spent so much time on that game learning it, only to have no one willing to ever play it. I mean, I play new games too, so it's not an issue, but I'm like 10 times better at ST than any of the other games.

It's tough to find an area of the US where you can get enough people gathered to create a tourney for ST. In my area I'm lucky enough to have just enough people that like ST to have regular tourneys for the game. Usually with about 12 to 20 people. Some driving a few to several hours every month just to compete. ST is a really fun game but it's hard to get newer fighting gamers into it. ST (more so the 90s era SF2 console games) is what I grew up on so I'll always like it but 3S is my game.

[arstal]

Hopefully the remake brings it back. The netplay will help. Unfortunately, NC has no ST scene- people here just don't like the game for some reason.

[DevilJin 01]

Hopefully the remake brings it back. The netplay will help. Unfortunately, NC has no ST scene- people here just don't like the game for some reason.

I think that might be because you guys have a real scene for SNK games (that's hard to find anywhere else) so ST if anything just seems like another Capcom fighter that gets in the way. I know a few people in NC that play ST but there just must not be enough to put real tourneys together. Really...the only way to get comp for ST unless you live in the 3 areas of the US that has a scene for it...is to play Kaillera.

[Violent By Design]

ST, MVC1, Vamp Sav, UMK3, SF-champ ed, KOF games for the win. Why most we force are self to listen to these people to play new fighting games. We play old fighting games cause there fun, GG fanboys can have GG.

Because there old? Why play MVC1 when you can play MVC2?

[EvilSamurai]

I personally like MvC2, VS, ST, some SNK games, and maybe even GG better than 3s.

[Zombie Shoes]

I own plenty of fighting games, but I do find myself playing ST and 3rd Strike the most.

To each his own, though

[woof]

why cant people play everything for a while and then judge what they like or dont like rather than going by posts they read on the internet

[Return of Shiki]

I think that might be because you guys have a real scene for SNK games (that's hard to find anywhere else) so ST if anything just seems like another Capcom fighter that gets in the way.

That's a bit of an exaggeration. 3S and GG is still way more popular here than both SNK and ST.......just like every other place in the US.

The simple fact is that ST is too old for most players to get hooked at. That's the long and short of it.

Most of the old-school veterans have either moved on with their lives or otherwise play a lot less, but the majority of the scene's populous is younger and more console-based. In other words, many of them were too young to play ST when it came out or they were old enough but were only stuck playing at home on console.

I'm probably a rare case in that I'm old enough to have played ST in the arcade but still young enough to have been a part of the console explosion.

[Eduardo24]

Just wait for SFHD. All of a sudden you`ll find the competiton you are looking for, hopefully.

[tataki]

While they're sometimes too biased towards rushdown and unnecessarily execution-intensive

Both statments are not true for gg. I'm replying cuz I share the same opinion about fighting games as you but I think you are just a little misinformed about GG. Since GG and ST are my 2 favorite games and thus the 2 games I know the most about, I'll just use ST as an example in this reply.
1st the execution part-
For every hard character like I-no in gg there's a hard character in ST like Zangief. I hate when games require hard execution for no reason as much as you do, but in this case you can still enjoy the game if you play the rest of the cast, and not Zangief or I-no. Sure, it makes both games less great than what they could be, but it's not a reason not to play them.

Dragon punches in ST are hard to perform cuz of the small window, not to mention tigerknee motions and guile's super :P
GG has much easier motions and much bigger windows. FRCs are stupid I agree, but they play a much smaller role in Accent Core. Instead, many characters just use Force Breaks which are performed like specials, no timing needed.
Also, while combos in ST do require timing and aren't so easy, the free combo system in GG allows you to find the best combo you can pull off and just use that. In japanese match vids you see some players do the hardest combos, and some players do much easier combos. The difference in damage between those isn't that high. It's not like 3s "if you can't hitconfirm c.mk into SA2 you can't play chun at all".

2nd the rushdown part-
The gameplay system what made to make the players attack. It rewards the player who attacks and penalties the player who turtles. Think of it this way- You fight for position but you also fight for momentum, you fight to keep attacking.
But every rushdown in the game has holes in it (even eddie's rushdown), and the developers also put anti rushdown tools for you to use (invincibility moves, deadangle, faultless defence, instantblock, slashback, burst). It's not rare to see rushdowns get beaten by using the right tool at the right time. It also costs alot of resources to keep the rushdown going (shadow guage, coins, super guage for FRCs etc.).
So the rushdown isn't mindless at all but based on pure yomi as well. In street fighter terms, it's like giving every character in the game a unique fireball trap of thier own. In order to keep the rushdown going or to escape it, you need to get into the opponents head and use the tools you have at the right moment in a wise manner.

That aside, in GG you don't always want to be on the offensive. it all depends on the matchup and the situation. Testament can't pressure w/o super gauge, so he turtles with traps while trying to get his super guage filled. Eddie w/o shadow is mostly about running away and stalling time, and even with the shadow he sometimes just wants to zone and keep away.
Venom can put up a great pressure/mixup game when he has the opponent cornered, but in midscreen he goes mostly for zoning with pokes and balls.
Vs Baiken you can be offensive only if you set up a situation where she can't alpha counter you, or you just want to bait and punish it.
Every character can go from pure turtle or keepaway into pure rushdown than to pure turtle/keepaway again all in the same fight.
Not hating this game for some unknown reason yet still not playing it just cuz 1 or 2 characters in the cast still need an FRC seems silly to me.

[bill_rizer]

@Eduardo24;

Yea online, which you could do now If you really wanted.


The simple fact is that ST is too old for most players to get hooked at. That's the long and short of it.


Hmm yea this makes me wonder in the next 5-10 years will people still be playing Marvel or 3s etc, I mean ST lasted along time, and some games die faster than others cough *KOF03/CFJ* but they all seem to die out over time like say CvS2.

[Harem]

How is OP not an 07 member?

[Mokura]

For this guy's opinion to really hold any weight, he needs to be an equally skilled expert in the new ones and the old ones. Otherwise, I think he's just gonna sound like another player who's learned one game and acts like that's the only one that matters so he won't have to get out of his comfort zone.

[Saotome Kaneda]

why can't people stop making joke threads based off of trainwreck threads