Street Fighter 4: The Death of 3rd Strike?

[E-bortion]

My biggest fear with the release Street Fighter 4 is that the marketing power from Capcom may overshadow and eliminate 3rd strike once and for all. Sure we will still have our a-cho's and ksk's (hopefully) but will it stand the EVO test? How about SBO? Much less, the attention of arcades and tournaments stateside? How about FFA, is it doomed to drop the legendary 3s for a new game entirely? Sure this was asked in an earlier thread (to a lesser extent) but it begs a more complex question. Has 3rd Strike been impactful enough to stick around and stand the test of time? Is 3s the generation-x Super Turbo or is it dust in the wind?




(move thread to fgd if you find it more fitting, thanks)

[bokchoy]

Hmm...a nine-year old game might have to take a back seat when SF4 comes out. I don't speak for anyone else, but I don't think I'll lose any sleep over that.

[Lazy Foo']

It all depends on whether street fighter 4 manages to catch on in a big way. It could kick ass, it could be the next SvC Chaos. Wait and see.

[Mechanica]

Nothing's gonna happen to 3s.

[Xiii]

If ST didn't go away, what makes you think 3S will?

[RagingStormX]

The games are two different beast, 3S will be fine.

[goodm0urning]

If ST didn't go away, what makes you think 3S will?The fact that no game to this point has shown anything close to the staying power of ST?

[Autocrat1]

You know what they say: 3 strikes and you're out of quarters.

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[True Grave]

The fact that no game to this point has shown anything close to the staying power of ST?

I doubt that. MVC2?

[ilazul]

I doubt that. MVC2?

Unless a mvc 3 gets released I can see mvc2 lasing until the apocalypse (pun sadly intended).

[goodm0urning]

I doubt that. MVC2?ST is six years older than MvC2. In fighting game years, that is a considerably long period of time.

[Ben-Ra]

One can only hope.

[Humbag]

3s aint going anywhere except into my ps2.

[AudioCG]

ST is six years older than MvC2. In fighting game years, that is a considerably long period of time.


But how soon after its release was ST a tourny mainstay? I really do not know this, anyone got the down low on the history? I know that both ST and MVC2 have been mainstays at Evo for quite some time now.

[EvilSamurai]

If ST didn't go away, what makes you think 3S will?

- universal parry shitting all over the gameplay of SF2

- lack of effective anti-airs

- lack of zoning

- ineffectiveness of projectiles outside of combos and ex moves

- too much emphasis on supers

- certain supers (Genei-jin, chun's SAII) being broken as fuck

- hit or miss new characters.
The good: Dudley, Ibuki, Oro, Yun, Yang, Sean, Hugo
The meh: Urien, Gill, Alex, Q, Makoto
and the fucktarded: Twelve is giant wad of Shang Tsung's cum, Necro looks like boy george with fetal alcohol syndrome, and Remy is just an emofag who looks like he came out of a recent KOF game.

- lack of classic Street Fighter characters

- meter whoring as a legitimate strategy

- Chun Li being more broken than a pornstar's vagina and not just because of a single move like Yun.

- people dickriding the Daigo parry video.

[deadontime101]

- universal parry shitting all over the gameplay of SF2

- lack of effective anti-airs

- lack of zoning

- ineffectiveness of projectiles outside of combos and ex moves

- too much emphasis on supers

- certain supers (Genei-jin, chun's SAII) being broken as fuck

- hit or miss new characters.
The good: Dudley, Ibuki, Oro, Yun, Yang, Sean, Hugo
The meh: Urien, Gill, Alex, Q, Makoto
and the fucktarded: Twelve is giant wad of Shang Tsung's cum, Necro looks like boy george with fetal alcohol syndrome, and Remy is just an emofag who looks like he came out of a recent KOF game.

- lack of classic Street Fighter characters

- meter whoring as a legitimate strategy

- Chun Li being more broken than a pornstar's vagina and not just because of a single move like Yun.

- people dickriding the Daigo parry video.

This is why I refuse to play 3S seriously...like at every big or major tournament I've been to...I just see nothing but Chun or Yun actually win...If you can't parry...you lose...and if you can parry...you have to be near daigo's level to do anything about both of them...

[DevilJin 01]

That's not really true. To be honest...the fact that the game is what it is is why it'll stay around for a while. It's already got an established tourney base that isn't going to die out right off the bat. People shouldn't be "afraid" of things happening to 3S. It's simply a game and even if it were to go away next year...SF IV is still a SF game and as long as that game is good we have nothing to worry about.

[r3ko]

Alot of people I know and spoken to, play 3s cause thats where the competition is.

I don't think 3s will die, but I think quite a few players will stop playing it in favor of SF4, as thats where the biggest comp will be intially. If SF4 fails they may go back to 3s.

[Ali Vegaz]

Parrying fucks up the whole essence of Street Fighter... it's for scrubs who jump too much, or scrubs who always sat in a corner who got fired balled to death and didn't know what the fuck to do about it... so Capcom got real scrub friendly and gave the scrubs a break... allowing them to tap f for about 120 frames to parry anything they need to stop the aggressor... if I wanted to turtle all day I'd play Tekken... 3S is a shame to the name Street Fighter... They should've named it something else...

[Rioting Soul]

3s has its own qualities, and since SF4 isn't emulating them I'm sure the people that like 3s won't stop liking it.

Parrying fucks up the whole essence of Street Fighter... it's for scrubs who jump too much, or scrubs who always sat in a corner who got fired balled to death and didn't know what the fuck to do about it... so Capcom got real scrub friendly and gave the scrubs a break... allowing them to tap f for about 120 frames to parry anything they need to stop the aggressor... if I wanted to turtle all day I'd play Tekken... 3S is a shame to the name Street Fighter... They should've named it something else...

C'mon now. Let's give this argument a rest.

[KindredSpiritz]

There were many things I liked about third strike---the music and graphics and one thing I want them to retain for SF IV is the fact on arcade mode...you could have a choice out of 2 people to fight.

But third strike is dated compared to today's standards, I've seen the SF screenshots...and I think it's quite possibly one if not the best SF's they've ever made. Though there is a chronological critique as long as we get new characters and locations....I got no problem with it.

[megaultrasuper]

Is 3s the generation-x Super Turbo or is it dust in the wind?









Super Turbo is the Generation-X Super Turbo.

3S came out in 1999 and didn't get popular until way after that. It's not a generation-X game.

[COUM]

Should be funny to hear the whining of the people who currently only play 3S when they pick up SF4, with its distinct lack of universal defense bullshit, and get zoned the fuck out of.

[vapulus]

Should be funny to hear the whining of the people who currently only play 3S when they pick up SF4, with its distinct lack of universal defense bullshit, and get zoned the fuck out of.

Yeah, I'm quite sure the army of 3S players have no fucking clue how to play fighting games. :rolleyes::rolleyes: That's sound logic.

You do realise most 3S players also play plenty of other games, right? I know basically nobody that ONLY plays 3S.

The universal defense systems have their own merits, you can all shut the hell up about it.

By your meter stick, I'll laugh when all of the ST players can't throw because it's a 3S-style 2-button throw input! OMGLOL. THEY WON'T BE ABLE TO ADAPT.

[lino]

They should've named it something else...

what about "weirdo's & aliens vs capcom", or "queens & queers vs capcom". i'm sure one day capcom will relese a true senquel to 3s, maybe "circus vs capcom" or so. and this time around they listen to the scrubs.
then sf could be the game for for real buffed up men fighting on the street using real strategies.

lmao @ 3s fans, the whole time they were actualy thinking they were playing street fighter :rofl:

[Don Mack]

Glad to see I'm not alone in seriously disliking street fighter 3

[r3ko]

You do realise most 3S players also play plenty of other games, right? I know basically nobody that ONLY plays 3S.



Thats not the case at all, at least where I am. Most 3s players only play 3s where I am, they don't even realise other fighting games exist.

[Eduardo24]

3S players are way too vocal, especially on the internet. Try making a thread of your favorite fighting game on any board and chances are the legion of them will come to the thread and shit on it. And they will post Daigo´s parry video like a million times.

[vapulus]

The vast majority of the fighting game community is a clusterfuck of maladjusted people to begin with. Everybody shits on everybody else's opinions because to be good at a game you have to spend a lot of time with it... and nobody wants to believe their game doesn't deserve that amount of time from everybody else.

Truth is, most of us play a lot of games. It's the vocal minority of players that latch onto a single game and refuse to spend time with anything else. Being a single-game player is fine, but that doesn't mean you've found the only game worth playing.

The fighting game community is small enough without all the faction bullshit that happens around here.

[Projectjustice]

Yeah, I'm quite sure the army of 3S players have no fucking clue how to play fighting games. :rolleyes::rolleyes: That's sound logic.

You do realise most 3S players also play plenty of other games, right? I know basically nobody that ONLY plays 3S.

The universal defense systems have their own merits, you can all shut the hell up about it.

By your meter stick, I'll laugh when all of the ST players can't throw because it's a 3S-style 2-button throw input! OMGLOL. THEY WON'T BE ABLE TO ADAPT.

HAHA couldnt said it better myself.



3s wont die, SF4 is just too different than all the others SF games. Just like ST didnt completely die when SF3 dropped. I dont get all this parrying haters out there. I love parries, no more cheesing players and now you actually have to think before you attack.

[cheap_shot]

Let's get it on now. Select your first pick! Let's get it on now. Ten, nine, eight, seven, six!

How can that die?

[RevFirst]

what about "weirdo's & aliens vs capcom", or "queens & queers vs capcom". i'm sure one day capcom will relese a true senquel to 3s, maybe "circus vs capcom" or so. and this time around they listen to the scrubs.
then sf could be the game for for real buffed up men fighting on the street using real strategies.

lmao @ 3s fans, the whole time they were actualy thinking they were playing street fighter :rofl:

Wow. Talk about the lamest anti-SFIII post ever. :rofl:
At least many others who dislike the game brought up some good point in their post(s).

[Fadedsun303]

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The meh: Urien, Gill, Alex, Q, Makoto


Makoto under the meh? You've got to be kidding me. She's one of the more popular characters in the game. She stuck out the most to me when I first picked up the game.

[Ultima]

*Wonders if he should bother*

Oh what the hell:

I love parries, no more cheesing players and now you actually have to think before you attack.

1) Shitty players got 'cheesed" because they were shitty players. This happens regardless of the strategy used.

2) Parrying doesn't make you think, it makes you guess. "Thinking" and "SF3" don't belong in the same sentence.

re: 3S

In my estimation, the players who genuinely like 3S - not those who merely play it (and even play it well) but actually like it - typically either don't play or aren't good at anything else (or at least, anything else related to SF).

I.. doubt SFIV will kill off 3S. If SFIV turns out to be really good, then I suspect 3S will take a massive hit in tournament attendance, because there are a lot of players who are playing 3S not because they particularly like it, but because a lot of other players are playing it and there's nothing else that's new or hasn't been played to death. But there will no doubt always be a core of dedicated players. Whether or not there will be enough to sustain a tournament presence remains to be seen.

[BigRick70]

There won't be room for 3S anymore if ST:HD and SF4 end up being good.

[Humbag]

3S players are way too vocal, especially on the internet. Try making a thread of your favorite fighting game on any board and chances are the legion of them will come to the thread and shit on it. And they will post Daigo´s parry video like a million times.

Wait i thought it was the ANTI-3s people that are so vocal.

Seems like every other fucking post its "3s sux, 3s aint like ST, 3s...PaRrIeS!!@12!@"

Jesus Christ its like beating the same dead horse into the ground for 10 fucking years.

3s aint going anywhere. It is the most played SF game in the US right now. Probably in Japan as well. Just cause it aint SF2 doesnt make it bad.

I wont lie though, it is the Daigo vid that makes so many new players hump the game non stop. There are players the were playing before that happened and instead our sudden ass kicking by the Japanese motivated us a little.

Lastly, this is a SF4 forum. Why is every other thread about SF3??? Go to the SF3 or FGD to bitch, not here. I wanna talk about whats NEW.

[B&B]

Wait i thought it was the ANTI-3s people that are so vocal.

Seems like every other fucking post its "3s sux, 3s aint like ST, 3s...PaRrIeS!!@12!@"

Jesus Christ its like beating the same dead horse into the ground for 10 fucking years.

3s aint going anywhere. It is the most played SF game in the US right now. Probably in Japan as well. Just cause it aint SF2 doesnt make it bad.

I wont lie though, it is the Daigo vid that makes so many new players hump the game non stop. There are players the were playing before that happened and instead our sudden ass kicking by the Japanese motivated us a little.

Lastly, this is a SF4 forum. Why is every other thread about SF3??? Go to the SF3 or FGD to bitch, not here. I wanna talk about whats NEW.

I <3 you. (no homo)

I don't think 3S is gonna die, but if SF4 turns out to be good or something, that would probably be the cue to the back seat for 3S.

[TheShend]

I don't think 3rd Strike will suffer to the extent it'll die completely from SFIV's release. Based on what we know so far with SFIV, it's offering something fairly traditional to 3rd Strike so there's room for both I feel.

And this is wisdom right here:

The vast majority of the fighting game community is a clusterfuck of maladjusted people to begin with. Everybody shits on everybody else's opinions because to be good at a game you have to spend a lot of time with it... and nobody wants to believe their game doesn't deserve that amount of time from everybody else.

Truth is, most of us play a lot of games. It's the vocal minority of players that latch onto a single game and refuse to spend time with anything else. Being a single-game player is fine, but that doesn't mean you've found the only game worth playing.

The fighting game community is small enough without all the faction bullshit that happens around here.

[JAMMAR]

Wait i thought it was the ANTI-3s people that are so vocal.
Seems like every other fucking post its "3s sux, 3s aint like ST, 3s...PaRrIeS!!@12!@"


That's how I see it too. It gets to the point where you think they are jealous because of its popularity. I see their arguments, but do not fully agree. For the record, I am a 3S player, but I wish I could tweak its mechanics a little more, which is probably why I'm more open-minded to the "hate".

Its popularity should be a good reference to those who say lots of people who play 3S only play 3S. I agree with that said. IMO it's the easiest one to get into, and because of that it becomes harder for them to learn more "strict" games.

As for SF4, I think of it this way. Due to no parries (as if a new set of mechanics weren't enough), and the fact that apparently, the story takes place before SF3, 3S will be able to maintain itself. I do think 3S players are the most excited people for SF4 along with ST players, and the starting fanbase/community would be comprised of mostly those two communities. I think it then becomes a question on how different and how much MORE difficult it is than 3S, then we'll see for sure if 3S will really stay.

[Humbag]

snip

Judging by how their treating STHD, I dont think we will see the strict inputs that plagued many prospective ST players.

Honestly, besides the basic gameplay beng similar to SF2 (fireballs good, zoning etc), I dont see SF4 being anything like SF2 but being more of a SF2/3 hybrid. We seem to be getting the tried and true offensive gameplay of SF2 with the juggles, ex moves, and defensive options ala SF3 (replace parrying with the new "rage" meter options).

Seems like a winner for everyone! For now at least.

[Projectjustice]

*Wonders if he should bother*

Oh what the hell:



1) Shitty players got 'cheesed" because they were shitty players. This happens regardless of the strategy used.

2) Parrying doesn't make you think, it makes you guess. "Thinking" and "SF3" don't belong in the same sentence.



1) A Shitty player will be a shitty player regaurdless of game.

2) I disagree, players and characters have patterns. If a character is couch down, the ratio for a low attack coming is a lot higher than a ratio for a high attack. Learn your opponent ignorant scrub.

[UltraDavid]

I don't think 3S will last like ST has. I think it'll last like Alpha3 has, that is, there'll still be people who really like it, but it won't get big tournament play anymore. Four reasons.

1) No game has kept the kind of fanbase ST has kept. Screw fighting games, what other game from 1994 still gets regular, widespread, competitive play?

2) Third Strike's tiers are becoming more and more top heavy, and that'll turn people off. When the game first go popular, the characters you could reasonably expect to win a major, high level tournament with were any of Chun, Yun, Ken, Urien, Akuma, Dudley, Makoto, and Yang, and other characters could finish in high places. Then Chun, Yun, and Ken separated themselves from the pack, and while you'd see a Dudley, Makoto, Urien win occasionally, it was rare, and the rest of the field of characters basically never won anything. Now Chun and Yun have pulled away from Ken, and only Dudley and Makoto are reasonable alternatives. There are anomalies, especially in single match or non-major, but this is largely true. I see no reason why it won't get worse.

3) The people who started fighting games with Third Strike, and there are many like this nowadays, will realize that in fact Third Strike might not have been the ultimate in fighters.

4) Anyone knew to the scene won't be starting with 3S as their first game. This is already happening to a large extent, with GG and the various doujin fighters serving that role, but once SFHD comes out, and more to the point once SF4 comes out, Third Strike will have stopped being one of the top three or four grabbers for new players, and that'll really hurt the scene's chances for continuity.

[Saotome Kaneda]

how about we all stfu because this is the SF4 board


and iirc this thread was done before