Homeless People: Give Them a Break or No?

[Indian Guy 2]

In the area where I'm living, I have noticed that there are more and more homeless people standing at freeway exits and busy interesections begging for money. They usually have signs like god bless, homeless and hungry, etc. To my suprise, at this one intersection, there was this guy who you could tell was not homeless. His sign said, taking donations to pay for son's funeral. Do people actually give these people money cause I don't. I also noticed some people(the only ones I've seen are Mexicans) selling roses on the same intersection. So on one side you have a homeless guy and the other side you have people selling roses. I really don't have a problem with the people selling flowers, I've actually bought a few roses and they look nice. I personally do not support people begging for money on intersections or freeway exits. I simply ignore them. I would say that about 90% of the homeless population are simply lazy. Thats why they're homeless.

[specs]

I think that anybody who thinks that the homelessness problem stems simply from laziness is a fool of the highest caliber.

That said, my money is my own, and I do not give it to beggars. Though I want to donate to organizations that help the homeless after I get my own finances and life in order.

[Kunoichi Sakura]

Thats sad. I agree that alot of people are lazy and just won't work. I don't know about 90%. People loose jobs, accidents happen etc. I remember watching a story however on I belive Dateline about people who were actually pretty wealthy who act homeless who are just scamming nice people.

But if I have spare change or some singles I give it to them cause you never know. Plus it just feels good to help people. :tup:

[Indian Guy 2]

I think that anybody who thinks that the homelessness problem stems simply from laziness is a fool of the highest caliber.

That said, my money is my own, and I do not give it to beggars. Though I want to donate to organizations that help the homeless after I get my own finances and life in order.

so can you tell me why people are homeless then?

[Yasashiyama]

I support those who actually deserve it. This one dude I know spends his money on Marlboros. WTF? You're homeless but you won't settle for anything below Marlboros? :bluu:

I will give to those guys who have "Bet you can't hit me with a quarter" on their signs though. :lol:

[DS]

I'm sure they wish they were home more and home less.

[DaDesiCanadian]

so can you tell me why people are homeless then?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurricane_Katrina

Fucking lazy N.O'ers

[AkumaTX]

I think that anybody who thinks that the homelessness problem stems simply from laziness is a fool of the highest caliber.

That said, my money is my own, and I do not give it to beggars. Though I want to donate to organizations that help the homeless after I get my own finances and life in order.
Its not laziness but many of them are at fault for being homeless to being with.

[Indian Guy 2]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurricane_Katrina

Fucking lazy N.O'ers

I don't think you're getting the point, i'm not talking about stuff like katrina. I'm talking about your regular homeless person who has been homeless for years and years.

[wireless]

Homeless people are either lazy and don't want to find a job or are mentally incapable of working at a job. Even if they were hired, most are likely not able to do the job right no matter how much effort the employer puts to make the person right. This one time one of them came up to me begging for money because they can't find a job. I told them that "we live in a place where our unemployment rate is 3% and well below the national average. There is no excuse for not being able to find a job otherwise you are having mental problems that prevent you from doing whatever job right." Now this person seemed to be in very good health and could speak right. He couldn't say anything after what I said though and then just sat down and stared at the ground.

Some homeless people actually have problems with their finances hence why they are "homeless." They get into a financial hole and can never find a way to get out of it. They lose all their money to pay for their housing, then their cars get the repo. These type of people are the ones who have the highest chance of getting out of that homeless situation.

What I don't like is the people who actually have a houes and money and act like a homeless person for a living or as a way of income. They go around trying to get money from other people through "donations" and "begging" hoping to make a quick buck by dressing up as a homeless person. One person had the right gimmick while in front of a theater and got almost $80 in the span of fifteen minutes from people who were leaving after watching a movie. This person then got up from his supposedly broken wheelchair and got into his car and drove away.

Finally, we have the homeless people who have been displaced by either losing their house due to their landlord or due to some natural disaster or house fire.

[CarreauOverkill]

I know it's hard to get a job if you don't have a phone the workplace can call, an address they can send a letter to, a place to shower up at or the money to go get a haircut and a set of new clothes.

In countries with good social services, though, it's unforgivable. I've dragged some beggars to the social services office almost forcefully. These people are there for the homeless, the homeless just don't know about it.

We've gotten a lot of foreign beggars in Helsinki lately, they're limping around or kneeling and praying. These people come specifically to Finland and it can get really cold in here and they're still huddling in the street corner at below freezing temperatures. None of the "smart" finnish homeless people do that. You can mooch off social support and live without working in here, so why the hell do these people beg?

[rcaido]

When hobos ask for money, i usually reach into my pocket & the pull out my middle finger...Lazy mofos...If i just got done grocery shopping & i see hobo asking for a quarter & shit i always give them can food...I dont mind giving food but not actual cash...

[Ryu & Ken]

Send them to California

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=slmp5qjVx6g&feature=related&locale=en_US&persist_locale=1

[AcEtUrNeDjOkEr]

Its weird, I lived in the Metro DC area for most of my life, and worked in DC for 2 years. The homeless people there (and these people were truely homeless) didn't go around begging for money, you would see them sleeping in the park or on a bench, you would see them holding on to a shopping cart filled with stuff and they would truely look homeless. I felt sorry for them.

Now i'm in NC where you have 2-3 homeless people on one stop sign. They don't look the same as those in DC, most walk with a tired limp and have signs that are on cardboard but it looks like fresh cardboard. In NC (dont know about other places) the state gives out bright orange vest to them so people see them when they pan-handle. I, normally don't tip them; not cause I am stingy, but because of the said fact already, people sometimes play the part for some small in's; mocking the truely homeless people, which isn't cool none the less.

[DaDesiCanadian]

I don't think you're getting the point, i'm not talking about stuff like katrina. I'm talking about your regular homeless person who has been homeless for years and years.

Yeah, and you're not getting my point either. There are more things in heaven and earth "Indian Guy 2" than are dreamt of in your admittedly minuscule philosophy.

[Indian Guy 2]

Yeah, and you're not getting my point either. There are more things in heaven and earth "Indian Guy 2" than are dreamt of in your admittedly minuscule philosophy.

the world need critics......

[theanswer]

If you were homeless, what would you want other to do when you ask them for help?
Better yet, when you pass by a homeless person, what would Jesus want you to do?

[DaDesiCanadian]

the world need critics......

And you need to open your mind. You think Chris Gardner was homeless because he was lazy?

[Indian Guy 2]

And you need to open your mind. You think Chris Gardner was homeless because he was lazy?

who is chris gardner? did i say every single homeless person is lazy? i basically said the majority of them are. it's my opinion(you know, how i feel about something)

[Adam Warlock]

I'm not going to write another essay on this topic, but the majority of homeless people aren't homeless because they're lazy. After working in a shelter for years I saw a lot of the catch 22's they have to put up with which is fucked up.

who is chris gardner? did i say every single homeless person is lazy? i basically said the majority of them are. it's my opinion(you know, how i feel about something)

It's not an opinion, it's a flat out lie. An opinion can't be discredited by quantifiable data. "Dogs are fun" is an opinion. "Women are short because they have no knees" is a lie.

[DS]

So, does Indian Guy 2 own a casino?

[starboy]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurricane_Katrina

Fucking lazy N.O'ers

Don't even get me started on that shit. I was volunteering in San Antonio when a bus of Katrina Victims came in. My job was to hand them sandwiches and bottled water when they got off the bus. Anyway, like 60% of them threw the sandwich back at me and said some shit like "Where my pizza n' coke nigga!?", or "I don't want dis crappy shit nigga, where dat burger??!!".


Now back on topic!!

[DaDesiCanadian]

who is chris gardner? did i say every single homeless person is lazy? i basically said the majority of them are. it's my opinion(you know, how i feel about something)

Congrats. You are now officially the stupidest new 2k7 member. AW pretty much explained it. How the hell can you mention a piece of quantifiable data then claim it as "opinion".

Don't even get me started on that shit. I was volunteering in San Antonio when a bus of Katrina Victims came in. My job was to hand them sandwiches and bottled water when they got off the bus. Anyway, like 60% of them threw the sandwich back at me and said some shit like "Where my pizza n' coke nigga!?", or "I don't want dis crappy shit nigga, where dat burger??!!".


Now back on topic!!


:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[MistaJuJu]

I usually don't give money to people who ask for it since I've been scammed by rich "homeless" people before. If I see a dude digging through trash and eating the food, I'll give that guy some change in my pocket.

Some homeless guy said I could kick him in the head for 5 bucks once.

[Indian Guy 2]

[QUOTE=DaDesiCanadian;4708018]Congrats. You are now officially the stupidest new 2k7 member. AW pretty much explained it. How the hell can you mention a piece of quantifiable data then claim it as "opinion".




give me my cookie now.

[hoax]

The majority are lazy? How do you come to that conclusion? If I would use any reason at all, I would say laziness could play a role in some people being homeless, but I very sincerely doubt laziness is the sole reason for the majority of the homeless population.

Do you actually see people making the conscious choice to sleep in the cold, have nothing, and hurt every day, just for the pure reason of not wanting to work? They do shit a lot harder than working every day. I would assume after one week of being a bum, a lazy person would be on the first role call of McDonald's employment.

Prove me wrong, I'll be happy to concede, unlike a lot of you pricks who hear shit and repeat it verbatim without ever having any first hand knowledge of anything.

Depends on how I'm doing personally, and what the guy looks like. Appearance oddly enough plays a role in when I give charity.

[Indian Guy 2]

hoax;4708027']The majority are lazy? How do you come to that conclusion? If I would use any reason at all, I would say laziness could play a role in some people being homeless, but I very sincerely doubt laziness is the sole reason for the majority of the homeless population.

Do you actually see people making the conscious choice to sleep in the cold, have nothing, and hurt every day, just for the pure reason of not wanting to work? They do shit a lot harder than working every day. I would assume after one week of being a bum, a lazy person would be on the first role call of McDonald's employment.

Prove me wrong, I'll be happy to concede, unlike a lot of you pricks who hear shit and repeat it verbatim without ever having any first hand knowledge of anything.

how do come to the conclusion that they're not lazy? Prove me wrong.

[hoax]

Reasoning. It makes no sense to assume that a mass of people live like shit, just to not work a shitty job.

Could it play a role? Surely to some degree, but is it the cause? I doubt it.

There are homeless people who do work, and still cannot get ahead enough to stop living in their car. Are they lazy? Not to mention all the homeless people you see going around collecting cans and what not. That is harder than any low level job you can get.

Begging is a part of their survival. Even begging takes effort.

[EveryFlowerFlow]

didn't we have this thread like 2 months ago?

[DaDesiCanadian]

=Indian Guy 2;4708025]=DaDesiCanadian;4708018]Congrats. You are now officially the stupidest new 2k7 member. AW pretty much explained it. How the hell can you mention a piece of quantifiable data then claim it as "opinion".




give me my cookie now.

I already gave you a rep cookie :tup:

[Orochi Ken]

Its weird, I lived in the Metro DC area for most of my life, and worked in DC for 2 years. The homeless people there (and these people were truely homeless) didn't go around begging for money, you would see them sleeping in the park or on a bench, you would see them holding on to a shopping cart filled with stuff and they would truely look homeless. I felt sorry for them.

Now i'm in NC where you have 2-3 homeless people on one stop sign. They don't look the same as those in DC, most walk with a tired limp and have signs that are on cardboard but it looks like fresh cardboard. In NC (dont know about other places) the state gives out bright orange vest to them so people see them when they pan-handle. I, normally don't tip them; not cause I am stingy, but because of the said fact already, people sometimes play the part for some small in's; mocking the truely homeless people, which isn't cool none the less.

Homeless in DC, from what I know, are a result of federal budget cutting to mental institutions in the district. They were all set free and most of them had nowhere to go and ended up on the streets.

[DaDesiCanadian]

Homeless in DC, from what I know, are a result of federal budget cutting to mental institutions in the district. They were all set free and most of them had nowhere to go and ended up on the streets.

Maybe they're just mentally lazy?

[Evil Morrigan]

Maybe they're just mentally lazy?


:rofl:

I dont feel like being sane today, its too much work. I think I'm going to go out on the streets and start screaming at mailboxes to stop staring at me.

[rsigley]

once a homeless guy called me big guy

and i knocked his cup out of his hands and was like fuck you

then i got home and looked in the mirror and realized i had put on a couple of lbs (weighed in at 170lbs)

so i went back the next day to apologize and to thank him for pointing it out to me so i could adjust my diet and exercise more before it got out of control, but i never seen him again

but usually i'll try to do something like this to them

http://youtube.com/watch?v=reilZpJzm44

[Rooks4]

I won't give them money - Them being homeless shows (at least to me) that they already have a problem with managing money. I understand some peoples situation may be such that this statement doesn't apply, but I think just giving cash handouts isn't going to prompt them to improve their situation.

I've offered to give bums/homeless people sandwiches and/or go buy them lunch, and most of the time they say no thanks and then ask me for a dollar. I won't do it.

[pherai]

Man, deja vu...

Wasn't this a thread like 6 months ago or something?

[Dataika]

To say that people are lazy and that is the sole description of all people in the lower class (the lowest: homeless), shows a fundamental lack of understanding regarding psychological factors, environmental factors and biological (ie. diet) factors.

One example:
"According to research conducted by Professor Mark Courtney of the University of Washington, youth who left foster care by age 18 were nearly three times more likely than their peers to be out of work and school. They were twice as likely to be unable to pay their rent and were four times as likely to be evicted. Nearly half of the young women had been pregnant at least once by age 19. Significant numbers were incarcerated or homeless at some point."

Yeah, what a bunch of lazy people those foster care kids are.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2007/08/05/EDJFRB4981.DTL&type=printable

[AcEtUrNeDjOkEr]

Homeless in DC, from what I know, are a result of federal budget cutting to mental institutions in the district. They were all set free and most of them had nowhere to go and ended up on the streets.

Damn, I didnt know that. They weren't aggressive or anything, they basically were just trying to keep themselves either warm or cold (depending on the day). Now, the bum that comes up to you after you walk out of wendy's asking for some "chic nuggs"...thats when you get upset

[Pablo_the_Mex]

I walk past homeless fools on the regular. I have even more reason for not handing out money, becase these nigs will just keep on asking for more. It never ends.

[goodm0urning]

hoax;4708027']snipThat is a godlike avatar.


Anyway, I typically avoid giving homeless people money if I can, mainly because I have very little money myself. It sure does suck, but giving them a couple of bucks isn't going to solve their problems either.

[specs]

so can you tell me why people are homeless then?

I would suggest you study the topics of poverty and mental illness very closely before forming ill-reasoned opinions.

how do come to the conclusion that they're not lazy? Prove me wrong.

The onus of proof lies with you. Are you making the claim that the majority of homeless people are lazy? If so, present hard evidence.

[hoax]

I walk past homeless fools on the regular. I have even more reason for not handing out money, becase these nigs will just keep on asking for more. It never ends.

Oddly enough I feel the same about mexicans and jobs.

[ElderGOD]

I walk past homeless fools on the regular. I have even more reason for not handing out money, becase these nigs will just keep on asking for more. It never ends.

Agreed. I saw at least 10 homeless people today and if you give them money they'll remember you and expect you to give them next time.

Rent is so high in nyc I'm not surprised to see so many homeless people though.

Plus the dollar is almost worthless and falling.

[Lrr]

theres no one reason why homeless people are homeless (obviously), Some got screwed over from the war, some are lazy, drug addicts etc... But I usually am willing to give out some change to the funny ones or the working ones (this one dood was hustlin parking spots in front of a theatre in downtown SF, and he was doing it damn good) either that or I give them some takeout or fastfood.

Quick story: I was just at a liquor store in SF and some homeless dood asks for some change cus hes hungry and wants to buy "milk" and he said all this with that whole feel sorry for me tone, so i gave him a buck or something. Couple weeks later, I see the same dood in another part of SF and he asks me for money for the same reason, I told him I didnt have any change this time and he cusses me out all schizo and shit, so I was like Fuck you too then bitch and drove off.:arazz:

[a k a . J o h n]

Back when I used to live in the LA area, I would always give bums my spare change

But the bums I see in my area are ridiculous, these cats are wearing nikes n clean clothes n shit so I dont give them anything, bcuz you know theyre either gonna waste it on their next fix or cigarettes/alcohol.

[Pablo_the_Mex]

hoax;4708259']Oddly enough I feel the same about mexicans and jobs.

So, you have a problem with mexi's working shitty jobs? And this affects you how?

[hoax]

Waste it? Did you want them to invest your shit into a mutual fund? Unless you're giving them a significant amount of money, I don't see why you'd care how they'd spend it.

So, you have a problem with mexi's working shitty jobs? And this affects you how?

I was making a point, which obviously evaded you. I do have a problem with giving these illegals work that makes them loiter around in large groups. Illegal Mexicans are like unionized bums.

[MrBlank]

Chad Muska was a homeless person for quite awhile.
and hes a millionaire and successful skateboarding professional.
He was simply not a home owner. He didnt have an apartment. He just toured alot and stayed in hotels for a couple days for weeks.

Ive met a homeless man downtown who asked me for a dollar after i got out the club, i bought him dinner and we chatted it up, he got raped by the IRS. He had all his shit foreclosed. He had a Masters in Computer Science. His job Laid him off and did alot of stupid things with his money. Now he has no home but shit hes educated and he was seriously one of the nices guys ive ever spoken to. Very Humble and soft spoken. I learned some interesting things about taxes and stuff from him too.

[angelslayer13]

I cant speak for the homeless in yourarea but the ones here in denver are mostly insane you see back in the old days of denver there use to be this big insane asylum where they treated the out of luck and the just plain crazy but then they ran out of government funding and the place had to close. the staff didnt know what to do so they basically just kicked everyone out into the street and wished them luck. others are leftovers of the crack epidemic we had. the rest are lazy assholes

[rsigley]

once i was in salt lake city and some bum asked me for money

so i tried that i'm broke sorry line

then he gives me his cup of change and he's like you can have this god bless

very confusing

[angelslayer13]

hoax;4708340'] Illegal Mexicans are like unionized bums.

sir I disagree and further more fuck you you piece of shit

illegal or not you just called hard working mexicans bums.

[Bowza]

Of course there are definitely those who are needy, but some of the beggars in Manhattan make a whole lotta dough- this one dude near Grand Central makes about $200 a day begging - he's proly not homeless anymore but he still does beg and people who don't recognize him wouldn't know any better

I remember this one guy was like "man just get a fucking job" and he laughed it off like "I probably make more money than you doing this".

[hoax]

sir I disagree and further more fuck you you piece of shit

illegal or not you just called hard working mexicans bums.

Illegals are immune to being bums? I mean aren't they the same as a bum holding a sign saying will work for food/money? They're both just sitting around looking for a way to eat. Illegals just have a 1 bedroom house they usually split with 16-30 people. Unionized bums.

I walk past homeless fools on the regular. I have even more reason for not handing out money, becase these nigs will just keep on asking for more. It never ends.

Why is it ok for you to degrade this "nigs" but as soon as I replace bum nigs with beaners you go into Mexican protector mode. I simply stated I felt the same way you did about bums, but replace bums with illegals.

[Pablo_the_Mex]

hoax;4708340']


I was making a point, which obviously evaded you. I do have a problem with giving these illegals work that makes them loiter around in large groups. Illegal Mexicans are like unionized bums.

I re-read your post, and I had no clue what the fuck you were talking about other than taking a jab at mexicans in a thread that has nothing to to do with the ethnic group.
Besides, mexican families consists of very large groups anyway. Don't worry, they only bite tacos.

[angelslayer13]

Of course there are definitely those who are needy, but some of the beggars in Manhattan make a whole lotta dough- this one dude near Grand Central makes about $200 a day begging - he's proly not homeless anymore but he still does beg and people who don't recognize him wouldn't know any better

I remember this one guy was like "man just get a fucking job" and he laughed it off like "I probably make more money than you doing this".

that reminds me of a time I was walking around downtown and this older homeless dude asked me for money I was younger and stupider then so I gave him money but then this homeless girl that saw me came up to me and told me "hey you know that guy is just gonna spend it on crack" I was like word?

[J-ride]

I'll give a homeless guy a few bucks, I don't care. But if they just ask for it, don't tell me some ridiculous lie. Just ask for the money and Ill give you what I can spare.

[bear]

The majority of homeless people are lazy? You say this like life as a homeless person is all fun, relaxation and living the dream. It isn't. And if you look into it, you will find that the majority of homeless people have mental disorders. The major difference between them and other people with mental disorders is that they don't have any family members who give a shit. But read up on the statistic of this. As much as 80% of the homeless have serious mental disorders, and over 30% are considered schizophrenic. The reason a lot of them don't have a job is because they can't hold one down. I'm sure that there are some bums out there who are just lazy, but the majority? Nope.

And I will help out if I have it. But I also know to be weary of a lot of homeless folk. For the aforementioned reason: a lot of them just aren't mentally stable. I once gave a homeless guy a dollar, and he pulled a knife on me for the rest of the money in my wallet. I was skating, so I just rolled off. No biggie. But I don't think the guy was a bad dude. He was just batshit crazy.

[DaDesiCanadian]

The majority of homeless people are lazy? You say this like life as a homeless person is all fun, relaxation and living the dream. It isn't. And if you look into it, you will find that the majority of homeless people have mental disorders. The major difference between them and other people with mental disorders is that they don't have any family members who give a shit. But read up on the statistic of this. As much as 80% of the homeless have serious mental disorders, and over 30% are considered schizophrenic. The reason a lot of them don't have a job is because they can't hold one down. I'm sure that there are some bums out there who are just lazy, but the majority? Nope.

And I will help out if I have it. But I also know to be weary of a lot of homeless folk. For the aforementioned reason: a lot of them just aren't mentally stable. I once gave a homeless guy a dollar, and he pulled a knife on me for the rest of the money in my wallet. I was skating, so I just rolled off. No biggie. But I don't think the guy was a bad dude. He was just batshit crazy.

Yes, but..

how do come to the conclusion that they're not lazy? Prove me wrong.

[OrangeCat]

The majority of homeless people are lazy? You say this like life as a homeless person is all fun, relaxation and living the dream. It isn't. And if you look into it, you will find that the majority of homeless people have mental disorders. The major difference between them and other people with mental disorders is that they don't have any family members who give a shit. But read up on the statistic of this. As much as 80% of the homeless have serious mental disorders, and over 30% are considered schizophrenic. The reason a lot of them don't have a job is because they can't hold one down. I'm sure that there are some bums out there who are just lazy, but the majority? Nope.

And I will help out if I have it. But I also know to be weary of a lot of homeless folk. For the aforementioned reason: a lot of them just aren't mentally stable. I once gave a homeless guy a dollar, and he pulled a knife on me for the rest of the money in my wallet. I was skating, so I just rolled off. No biggie. But I don't think the guy was a bad dude. He was just batshit crazy.
Exactly. If people are so worried about the homeless they should either donate to social programs or mental institutions. Other than that, just giving them a bit of change hardly does anything except give you a false sense of charity and doing a good deed. I read this one story about this really great guy, a retired doctor I think, he gave like 5 bucks to a homeless guy every week he went to church. One day he said "Oh I don't have the money, but I'll give it to you after service".

Upon hearing that, the bum beat the shit out of the guy and took his wallet. That pissed me right off because here's a guy who wanted to help another person beyond what most of us would even give a bum, and he got the shit kicked out of him. I'd say it was his fault for making the bum think he has some sort of entitlement to this stream of weekly revenue, but he was either mentally ill or a complete douchebag.

Another story was this one bum that I saw said "Today's my birthday I have schiophrenia would you please spare some money?" I don't know if it was his schtick but it sounded pretty funny. Another one actually MADE some cash because he was in Gastown part of Vancouver and he would have a guitar, walk around and sing "Barbie is a dirty slut, Barbie is a dirty slut". Somehow he managed to have that single published in small quantities. Another one is "Tourists get the fuck out of my city". Hell there have been people who requested him to sing the barbie song.

OC

[bear]

Yes, but..

how do come to the conclusion that they're not lazy? Prove me wrong.

I take you've never been around anyone with a mental disorder.

It isn't even an issue of laziness. There are people with disorders who will hate that they live in filth, but they can't piece together how to clean themselves up. They can't put two and two together on the issue, and actually struggle over the indecision for hours at a time. Their mind simply won't settle. They can't form a process. So it's not like they know what to and just don't feel like doing it. They don't even know how to do it in the first place.

Have you ever seen anything about "hoarders", the people who can't throw anything away? Some of them are hardworking people in their jobs, and they keep their appearances up and live normal and are active outside of their homes. Some are considered very hard workers. But then they can't bear to throw anything away. Some folks might see their house and say, "Wow, you are lazy ... you never clean up!" But that's not addressing the issue. The issue is that they can't throw things away, because of a mental block they've developed. Maybe to some people that's one and the same, but I would argue that it isn't an issue of laziness.

[DaDesiCanadian]

I was actually just making fun of this post.

http://forums.shoryuken.com/showpost.php?p=4708033&postcount=27

[DarkMage724]

Ive met a homeless man downtown who asked me for a dollar after i got out the club, i bought him dinner and we chatted it up.

Damn must of been a bust if you went out to eat with a homeless person instead of some random broad after the club.

Anyway, yeah most homeless people that I've come across will turn down my offer of food but will still ask me if I got a dollar or some shit. Making it obvious that they just want to gather up some ends to put in on a fix.

Bum: "can you help me out with some change, I'm trying to get something to eat"
Me: "there's a jack n da box right up the street, i'll buy you a meal"
Bum: "nah man just gimme teh moneys"

[PopTardO]

Off topic: but i hate those motherfuckers who pretend they are deaf and hand out busienss card with keychains asking for money

[bear]

I was actually just making fun of this post.

http://forums.shoryuken.com/showpost.php?p=4708033&postcount=27

Oh. Right.

Well, it's a good thing I typed all that shit for nothing.

[ElderGOD]

Saying that all people are homeless because they're lazy is straight up retarded.

There's lots of ways to get fucked in this world.

A company may "downsize," you may get hit by a natural disaster or some 14 year old playing with matches (no offense to California), you may divorce and your wife will take everything and you will have to continue to pay even if you don't have, plus all these kids going to colleges and ending up having to pay thousands, if not hundreds of thousands of dollars.

Shit, you make it sound like some want to be homeless.

I don't know. Maybe in Canada it's so easy for everyone to get a job no matter what happens, but there are places here in the US where no matter how hard working you are you still may end up homeless, EVEN if you DO HAVE A JOB.

Shit, I know some people that I play handball with that work full time and they can barely pay off rent. Not even going to mention that rent isn't the only expense.

[DaDesiCanadian]

Oh. Right.

Well, it's a good thing I typed all that shit for nothing.

:rofl:

My bad, I shouldn't have been so obscure. If it makes you feel better, i'm pretty sure you voiced coherently what a lot of people wanted to say. :tup:

[OrangeCat]

Off topic: but i hate those motherfuckers who pretend they are deaf and hand out busienss card with keychains asking for money
I FUCKING HATE THEM SO MUCH. I fucking hate them because it's like they guilt you to fucking hell on a disability. I'm deaf, give me money. The second thing is that they trap you by actually kind of interacting with you, they are in your personal space you accepted something from them. How the fuck are you going to deny them? 3rdly, a lot of times they gave you something that teaches you sign language which guilts you more because you feel like you have to pay for a lesson.

WELL FUCK THAT SHIT.

NEXT TIME I fucking get one of those cards, I'm going to sign the language "NO FUCKING WAY"

I don't know. Maybe in Canada it's so easy for everyone to get a job no matter what happens, but there are places here in the US where no matter how hard working you are you still may end up homeless, EVEN if you DO HAVE A JOB.

Shit, I know some people that I play handball with that work full time and they can barely pay off rent. Not even going to mention that rent isn't the only expense.
Housing prices are INSANE in some parts of the country. Calgary which is a very wealthy city due to oil, have people working white collar jobs, but living with family or out of hostels or homeless shelters because it's too fucking expensive to pay for living. You see people in business suits come out of homeless shelters with their suitcases going to work.

OC

[ReptarBar]

Well, it depends. If a homeless person approaches me and asks me money for food, I usually feel better asking them if they want me to take them to a nearby subway or mc'ds to buy them a sandwich or something. This way, at least I know my money is being spent productively.

[angelslayer13]

I was actually surprised to find out about how the homeless were treated here alot of housing and feeding programs have gone bust and cmon the whole insane asylum thing really showed how little they care for homeless here. I took it upon myself to collect a lot of clothes for them (about 6 big garbage bags worth) then I went to all the homeless hang outs and past the clothes out. I only got one dude that told me "man Id rather have money" all in all it was a good experience.

I still wont give them money though.

[Shinto]

Homeless people are lazy, now they don't even ask for money they just hold a sign up.Non of them will get any of my money that I WORK for to many opportunity in the US....

[hoax]

Homeless people are lazy, now they don't even ask for money they just hold a sign up.Non of them will get any of my money that I WORK for to many opportunity in the US....

You're a complete idiot, I doubt you could afford to give a bum money as it is. Take one of the many opportunities you have in the US to learn to fucking speak properly.

How fucking dumb do you have to be to think they make signs because they're too lazy to fucking speak?

[angelslayer13]

the way this country was built makes it a lot easier to move forward with life than everywhere else. sometimes I dont think a lot of americans appreciate this country enough everyone sorta expects the luxuries they get its a shame.

[angelslayer13]

Homeless people are lazy, they dont even make an effort they just hold a sign and expect money. Ive worked hard for every opportunity I have so there not gonna take any of my hard earned money....

ok fixed it is that better for you [azhoax]? or should I translate to douche

[hoax]

ok fixed it is that better for you [azhoax]? or should I translate to douche

I think you need to re-read your translation, either that or your English is just as bad. Still upset that I called illegals unionized bums?

[Shinto]

hoax;4708670']You're a complete idiot, I doubt you could afford to give a bum money as it is. Take one of the many opportunities you have in the US to learn to fucking speak properly.

How fucking dumb do you have to be to think they make signs because they're too lazy to fucking speak?

:rofl: on the internet someone is telling me how to speak properly:rofl:

How is that not lazy? before you go to a homeless shelter or seek assistance you rather sit outside with a sign? gtfoh.Can you tell me how sitting one place with a sign not lazy? Everyday I walk in Manhattan to see the same fucking bums sitting in the same spot they were in yesterday, what is the reason for this? If you got answers plz tell me I'm willing to learn.

[JackTenrac!]

Depends on how they got to that point, really. When we throw our change at them, or not, we don't care about any of that. We'd judge them for the now.

[angelslayer13]

hoax;4708704']I think you need to re-read your translation, either that or your English is just as bad. Still upset that I called illegals unionized bums?

no its fine I just plain dont like you:lovin:

I think this thread is past its expiration date. is anyone else gonna make a good point or what?

edit: jack is right I think how they got there also matters. I can tell when a guy is just looking to score so I dont even look twice at those mofos they aint homeless they live in crack houses. on the other hand Ive met homeless guys that got where they are through "bad luck" I even met a guy who used to be a dentist but then his daughter committed suicide and the guy pretty much just gave up. you never really know with homeless and Ive never once heard any politician talk about either the problem or the solution I guess everyone is gonna ignore it untill it gets more out of hand

[Netology]

i've read some homeless people's blogs, they mostly had mental problems/addictions that were stopping them from living normal lives, some of them fixed themselves up though, but others just can't...


there are probably 'lazy bums' who are like that because they have no aspirations, are depressed, and feel apathetic or whatever....what those guys need is a good Tony Robins book and a kick in the ass followed by a "YOU CAN DO IT!"

[hoax]

:rofl: on the internet someone is telling me how to speak properly:rofl:

How is that not lazy? before you go to a homeless shelter or seek assistance you rather sit outside with a sign? gtfoh.Can you tell me how sitting one place with a sign not lazy? Everyday I walk in Manhattan to see the same fucking bums sitting in the same spot they were in yesterday, what is the reason for this? If you got answers plz tell me I'm willing to learn.

I don't care where we are, if you want to speak and have people understand you, learn to fucking communicate properly.

There are a lot of factors to take into account, but assuming these people don't have a whole shit load of energy due to not eating all that well, I would say a smarter way of conserving both energy and time would be to make a sign, more people will see it then attempting to hunt people down one by one.

People who work and make far more than you will ever make, will be doing just that sitting down, in the same spot, every day. If you honestly think they've made a sign because they're too lazy to open their mouth, I don't know what to fucking tell you, I pity anyone trying to teach you anything because you got the shit end of the stick when it comes to IQ.

[hubcapsignstop]

I read this one story about this really great guy, a retired doctor I think, he gave like 5 bucks to a homeless guy every week he went to church. One day he said "Oh I don't have the money, but I'll give it to you after service".

Upon hearing that, the bum beat the shit out of the guy and took his wallet. That pissed me right off because here's a guy who wanted to help another person beyond what most of us would even give a bum, and he got the shit kicked out of him. I'd say it was his fault for making the bum think he has some sort of entitlement to this stream of weekly revenue, but he was either mentally ill or a complete douchebag.

and how i sthis guy going to magically have money after the service?
he was going to have to steal money out of the collection plate of course
bastard didnt deserve a wallet
that was one honorable, quick thinking bum

[hoax]

no its fine I just plain dont like you:lovin:

I think this thread is past its expiration date. is anyone else gonna make a good point or what?

Why don't you just fucking leave the thread altogether, the only point you've made is that you're a twat. We don't need you captaining the fucking thread with your, "umm guys is there any other good points or should we close this". If you hadn't opened your mouth with pointless comments to me, there wouldn't be off-topic posting.

Get your shit outta here.

EDIT to the post below: Did you honestly just waste another post to say fuck you too?

[angelslayer13]

hoax;4708746']Why don't you just fucking leave the thread altogether, the only point you've made is that you're a twat. We don't need you captaining the fucking thread with your, "umm guys is there any other good points or should we close this". If you hadn't opened your mouth with pointless comments to me, there wouldn't be off-topic posting.

Get your shit outta here.

so its all my fault? ok fuck you too

[OrangeCat]

and how i sthis guy going to magically have money after the service?
he was going to have to steal money out of the collection plate of course
bastard didnt deserve a wallet
that was one honorable, quick thinking bum
Either get change for his larger bills or go to an atm.

OC

[hubcapsignstop]

holy shit
its you
i didnt notice
your done playing with war figirines?

[The Green Trench Coat]

I belive in charity. but on a case by case basis. Just being homless though doesnt' qualify you for my charity though. But I do belive money is only means to an end.. you have it you spend it.. it's gone.. you get more.

Which is why i don't have problems helping people financially when they show me they need / deserve it.

[Mechanica]

Spoiled little kids are funny. :rofl: @ 90% of homeless people being homeless due to laziness.

I don't even make eye contact with the ones that chill on the freeway on/off-ramp with a sign. Half the time, my sister recognizes the dopey ass fool from when her ex-boyfriend used to sell them meth. I'm not even exaggerating when I say half of them are pretending to be homeless in a sad attempt to get more ice money.

[hoax]

Spoiled little kids are funny. :rofl: @ 90% of homeless people being homeless due to laziness.

I don't even make eye contact with the ones that chill on the freeway on/off-ramp with a sign. Half the time, my sister recognizes the dopey ass fool from when her ex-boyfriend used to sell them meth. I'm not even exaggerating when I say half of them are pretending to be homeless in a sad attempt to get more ice money.

On the non-homeless panhandling I actually remember seeing some news story on about how much you could make, I have a horrible memory, but it was something like 300 in a good area on a good day. Like I said though my memory is not all that great.

[CarpeNoctumXIII]

I dunno, I just don't trust bums. I don' know how they got to that point, and I'm not going to find out, so I'd rather just not waste my money away hoping he'll put it to good use. I once was driving to a friend's cousin house to drop off a book-back he forgot in my place, and on the way there, when I stopped at a red light, this bum walked between the cars, and seemed like he had a mental disorder. I instantly felt bad, as if I did it to him or something, but had no change on me so didn't do anything. On the way back, I see the same bum, talking to a police officer and he seemed just normal. What, did Jesus drive by in the past 15 minutes and cured him of his mental illness?

I'd much rather keep my money in my wallet then hand it to some guy that's been saving up for his next bag of weed, even if that may not even be the case. How am I supposed to know?

[OrangeCat]

hoax;4708894']On the non-homeless panhandling I actually remember seeing some news story on about how much you could make, I have a horrible memory, but it was something like 300 in a good area on a good day. Like I said though my memory is not all that great.
Is that with gimmick or no gimmick?

OC

[Ne0phyte]

Can we stop making this topic every month please

[OrangeCat]

Can we stop making this topic every month please
Every week then. Or at least derail this topic into "Hobo SRK confessions". Stories involving you and the homeless. I'm sure the police are wondering how I managed to inject syringes full of bleach in the homeless without notice in the downtown core.

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[orka]

about half a year ago, i chased after a bum that stole bunch of cd's from star bucks. he was probably gonna sell 'em to buy crack. granted, he was pretty fast for a bum... and also really swift at maneuvering through the morning rush hour commuters in downtown chicago.

why are crackheads unbeatable?

[Septimus Prime]

Sometimes I do, sometimes I don't.

[kisame org]

after seeing that kardashian ep i say maybe, im only sayin' that cause im not rich.

[final_cut]

I have a friend who snapped a few years ago, now he has like Bi-Polar disorder or something like that. Basically it makes him act totally insane unless he is on medicine. Something happened with his girlfriend, or something, and he freaked out, and rented a car and drove from Jax, FL to NYC. He ditched one car along the way, and got another one somehow, and ended up in jail. Basically He bugged the fuck out. Now, his parents have quit trying to help him, and he randomly will come by our skate shop trying to ask for shit, or just say crazy stuff to people. It sucks, but he has been in and out of homeless shelters since this has happened, and he is always asking for something. Same thing happened to another dude in our town, another skateboarder. Its weird man, these two dudes I know just living grimey as fuck, and they can't really handle themselves in any normal kind of way. I love this friend of mine to death, but I have 2 kids now, and it worries me to hang out with him or be around him too much.

My point is that I think this is the case with a lot of homeless people. They can seem like normal dudes that are broke, but something upstairs just isn't working. Either they think the government is after them, that people are trying to hurt them, or that they are perfectly normal and they totally arent... well whatever. But I try to at least be polite to these people. I don't know if they are bullshitting me, or what, but it bugs me if someone asks me for change and I lie and say "nah, I'm broke".

I did give a homeless guy a beer one time though. Dude always chills at this skatespot downtown, and at first he would get real pissed off that we would skate there, cuz he would sleep nearby. He was like a troll, getting in your way, trying to stop you. Well, one day we had a big camera bag with a bunch of beer in it, and tossed one his way and since then, he never fucks with us, just lets us skate. And nobody else can shoot photos there either, cause they don't know about the BEER KEY.

[Biggzy]

I would say the majority of homeless people have some kind of mental illness and/or no family. Definitely some of them are homeless because they are lazy, but I wouldn't say the majority.

[evilj]

I used to sometimes give money to these people but not anymore.

Reason, there is substantial evidence and a high probability that a majority of these people make more money than me. Would I trade places with them? No, but I'm not going to give my money to people who possibly make more than me. There are monks who sometimes stand outside the asian malls in california, I'm for sure they make over 100 dollars a day.

Instead, I just give 5 dollars a week to charity.

Also, I noticed and my co-worker who is white pointed out to me that you hardly ever see mexicans ( I live in socal where there is a huge mexican population) on the street begging. Mostly Caucasian aka white people doing this, compared to the mexicans who will stand outside home depot looking for work.

This leads me to believe that a lot of these beggars could work if they weren't lazy. Last few times I gave some change to these people were when they would open doors for me and stuff like that. At least they are being nice and doing something instead of just sitting there. There's one guy who has been sitting at the same off ramp where I get off to go to school for the past 5 years or more that hasn't received a cent from me.

[Team Cable]

If bums aren't mentally fucked up then they're lazy.

Watch The Pursuit of Happyness with Will Smith and you'll see what I mean.

Homeless people can still work if they want to.

[FrankSweatypits]

If bums aren't mentally fucked up then they're lazy.

Watch The Pursuit of Happyness with Will Smith and you'll see what I mean.

Homeless people can still work if they want to.

So you watched a movie and based your opinion on a film that doesn't actually cover the intent of the person it's based on... cool.

[Mechanica]

So you watched a movie and based your opinion on a film that doesn't actually cover the intent of the person it's based on... cool.

Yeah dude, if Will Smith can do it, anyone can! :woot:

[ToXY]

"Marge: Here's five dollars. Go buy yourself a suit. Addict: I'll buy a suit. Of drugs!"

This is the reason i don't like them, begging for money to buy food and stuff or for a phone call, then the next thing you see them do is walk into the bottle shop and buy alcohol, but yeah if they don't ask me for money im ok with em...

[Grits'N'Gravy]

Fuck the homeless.

These fuckers will follow you from the ATM asking for a handout, atleast in SF. Always selling some useless bullshit. I always tell em to fuck off.

Unless they do something cool, one time I saw a guy do a handstand on a beer bottle.

[Mechanica]

Yeah the last homeless guy I gave money to made me laugh for my dollar. He earned it.

[Higher-Jin]

Get a job, smelly.

That pretty much sums up my feelings on the subject.

[TS]

I don't give them anything.

There is a difference between being down on your luck and having made stupid decisions, and being a bum. I don't care if it's drugs and/or mental illness and/or various emotional problems... Me giving them money would be something to make me feel better about doing so, much less than it would actually help them.

People who are just down on their luck seem to be about 100 times less likely to actually ask me for anything than the people who want money for booze/drugs. Go figure.

[Syxx573]

man when i went to indianapolis every time i stepped outside to smoke some guy or woman was asking me for money