Britain: banning the phrase "Mum and Dad"

[Mixah]

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=59990

because you know... not everybody has a mum and a dad... some have two of one.




WND BRAVE NEW SCHOOLS
Now Brits ban 'mum' and 'dad'
New rules demand sensitivity for 'gays'
Posted: February 1, 2008
1:00 a.m. Eastern

By Bob Unruh
© 2008 WorldNetDaily.com

Only months after a plan generated by California's legislature created a ban on the use of "mom" and "dad" in public schools, the Brits have announced a similar move, with orders for teachers to be more sensitive to homosexuality and not use terms like "mum and dad."

According to a report in the Mail online, a guidance plan has been released to tackle "anti-gay bullying" in schools in Britain. Written by the homosexual activist group Stonewall and announced by government Schools Secretary Ed Balls, the plan tells teachers not to make assumptions about a "mum and dad," perhaps instead referring to "parents."

And it directs teachers to introduce to students as young as age four the idea of same-sex couples in order to battle "homophobic" attitudes.

The California plan, which now is being targeted by an initiative effort that aims to take the issue to voters to have them overturn it, mandates a positive – and no other – portrayal of bisexuals, homosexuals, transgenders and others choosing alternative sexual lifestyles in public schools.

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Officials with Save Our Kids are working on the initiative to recall the law, signed by Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger.

The new California law demands, "No teacher shall give instruction nor shall any school district sponsor any activity that promotes a discriminatory bias because of a characteristic [including perceived gender.]"

Opponents say it does now ban anything that can be "perceived" as being discriminatory, up to and including references to "mom" and "dad" or "husband" and "wife."

"The terms 'mom and dad' or 'husband and wife' could promote discrimination against homosexuals if a same-sex couple is not also featured," said Meredith Turney, the legislative liaison for Capitol Resource Institute.

"Parents want the assurance that when their children go to school they will learn the fundamentals of reading, writing and arithmetic – not social indoctrination regarding alternative sexual lifestyles. Now that SB 777 is law, schools will in fact become indoctrination centers for sexual experimentation," she said.

In Britain, the advisory notes that teachers should educate students about civil partnerships and homosexual adoptions, and that students who call classmates "gay" should be treated just like they are racists.

Teachers also should avoid any references such as "be a man" or accusations students are acting like a "bunch of women."

The plan warns such words lead to bullying of those "who do not conform to fixed ideas about gender."

Instead, homosexual staff members should be encouraged to "discuss" their "private lives."

"It might be time-consuming at first, but a consistent 'zero-tolerance' approach to such language is central to achieving progress and an environment in which being gay is not thought of as being inferior," the government report warns.

"Schools need to make it clear to pupils that homophobic comments are as serious as racist comments, and homophobic incidents are as serious as other forms of bullying."

"I am proud the Government and the department are being robust about this," Balls said. "It is our view that every school should have a clear policy on tackling all forms of bullying, including homophobic bullying."

Less than a year earlier, the Scottish National Health Service decided to become "LGBT-friendly" by issuing directives to workers to halt any and all uses of "father," "mother," "husband," "wife" etc....

Police already are cracking down on such offenses in British schools. According to a Lifesite News report, in 2006, a 14-year-old school girl was arrested by police and detained in a cell for three hours after she asked to be moved into a group of students who spoke English in class. And in 2007, a 10-year-old boy was questioned after the boy sent an email calling another boy "gay."

While British plans are to reach out to teach homosexuality to students as young as four, WND has reported that the California plan to establish SB777 as state law was supported by organizations recommending homosexual literature to children as young as age two.

A list of school resources, sponsored by a homosexual-advocacy group called Safe Schools Coalition, suggests that for those who are only two years old, there's "Felicia's Favorite Story," which tells how she was "adopted by her two mothers."

Other resources being promoted in light of California's adoption of SB 777 as state law include books authored by officials for Planned Parenthood and the Gay Lesbian Straight Education Network.

One book, called "Tackling Gay Issues in School," is for kindergarten through grade 12, and offers a "rationale (for the inclusion of les/bi/gay/trans issues in school)." It features recommended "extracurricular" activities for classes.

For months while California lawmakers discussed Senate Bill 777, opponents worried about its usefulness in censoring public school curricula to include a pro-homosexual bias. Supporters, however, steadfastly maintained that it only clarified anti-discrimination laws already on the books. They still hold that stance, with recent statements from both Schwarzenegger's office and Equality California.

Sabrina Lockhart, a spokeswoman for the governor, insisted it is a "technical bill" intended to clarify anti-discriminations laws.

"It simply takes anti-discrimination language used in other areas of [state law] such as employment and puts that in the education code," she said.

And Ali Bay of Equality California told WND the new law "doesn't require that any specific curriculum be included in California's classrooms."

"All along, Capitol Resource Family Impact has maintained that the true agenda behind SB 777 is to infuse school curriculum with pro-homosexual, and other controversial lifestyles, propaganda. The proponents of the bill countered that this was not true and the law would merely 'streamline' anti-discrimination laws for schools. Based on our 20-year experience with the homosexual lobby, we know that a common tactic is to maintain innocence and then utilize vague language to push a radical agenda. We expected the same of SB 777 and we are already witnessing the same pattern," said Karen England, chief of the CRI.

WND already has reported how the Gay Straight Alliance has forwarded instructions to its California chapters with information on how to make sure homosexuality is taught in public schools, and its warning having students and parents simply "tolerate" homosexuality is not enough.

"Tolerance education is an important first step, but we need to push further," the instructions said. "Infuse LGBTQ curriculum into history, social science, and literature classes," is the organization's plan.

The British advisory also noted that such homosexual teachings need to permeate the education system.

[Alzarath]

Can't think of anything, so I'll just say this is stupid. Yeah.

[EveryFlowerFlow]

R-E-T-A-R-D-E-D

I never even heard about this being proposed in California :wtf:

[valaris]

Look I'm all for using a bit of tact but this is political correctness shoved so far up our asses that we have "Vertically challenged" and "visible minority" pouring out of our ears.

[dropthesky]

Gays want to have their cake and eat it too

[Alzarath]

"visible minority"

I don't believe I've ever heard this term. Where/when did it come about?

[FurryCurry]

I don't believe I've ever heard this term. Where/when did it come about?

I've heard it before but I don't know what it means. Outside of gays and lesbians and some religions aren't all minorities visible? We should make up our own PC terms for stuff.

Gays want to have their cake and eat it too

Yeah what the hell is this? I mean can't they just say "Give this form to your Mom or Dad or your PARENTAL GUARDIANS! <= (hint hint)."

I mean that's what teachers do in Michigan. If you don't have a Mom or Dad, because some kids live with their grandparents or uncles or maybe, just maybe a gay couple who adopted, they would just say parental guardian to cover all the bases. God I hope this doesn't see the light of day.

I'm starting to think that the gay and lesbian community is full of pussies. Trying to craft a damn utopia when that'll never happen.

[Figcoinc]

That is fucking retarded.

Britain, a message from an American cousin.......rush this stupidity down!

I do not mind a little political correctness for courtesy's sake, but shit has gone WAY out of hand. I bet they are going to try this shit here to if this catches on. Fuck that.

[Alzarath]

I'm starting to think that the gay and lesbian community is full of pussies. Trying to craft a damn utopia when that'll never happen.

:wonder::wink:

[Figcoinc]

Quote:
Originally Posted by FurryCurry View Post
I'm starting to think that the gay and lesbian community is full of pussies. Trying to craft a damn utopia when that'll never happen.


:wonder::wink:

:rofl:

I see what you did there.

[Serpent]

Oh man, if people did half as much against racism sometime in the past 200 years, it would have been stamped out already. But I guess only gays and women have ever been oppressed.

[J-ride]

^ There is no greater crime in this country than a white person being oppressed.


"And it directs teachers to introduce to students as young as age four the idea of same-sex couples in order to battle "homophobic" attitudes."

How the hell are you going to explain that to a four year old?

[Return of Shiki]

Police already are cracking down on such offenses in British schools. According to a Lifesite News report, in 2006, a 14-year-old school girl was arrested by police and detained in a cell for three hours after she asked to be moved into a group of students who spoke English in class. And in 2007, a 10-year-old boy was questioned after the boy sent an email calling another boy "gay."


Was anyone else highly disturbed by this?

Political Correctness is almost fascist in these public institutions now.
Wonder how many Britains are willing to deny their right to free speech for the sake of this?

[Colt Steele]

The only thing that disturbed me in this thread was the ad on the left.

[Brutal-R]

I will not allow myself to be dictated to by this government as to when and if my daughter will learn about homosexuality. It is my choice whether or not she will learn about it and not some cunt in a suit in office. If I am to be labelled a facist because I do not conform to what this country is trying to force upon us effectively turning it into a state of dictatorship then so be it.

I am not homophobic but surely by doing this they will stir up more ill feeling towards homosexuals as opposed to stopping the bullying.

[maxx]

Oh man, if people did half as much against racism sometime in the past 200 years, it would have been stamped out already. But I guess only gays and women have ever been oppressed.

:rofl::rofl:the world doesnt care about...oh fuck it.

[Rhio2k]

I don't know what this could possibly do to benefit gays, but saying "Mum/mum-ma" instead of mother/mom was always retarded to me.

[Spinning Beat]

Gays want to have their cake and eat it too

But what if the cake tastes like shit?

[BlodiaVulcan5]

I don't like to be censored, especially as something as trivial as this. waste of time.

[orochizoolander]

And the pussification of our schools continues...i feel horrible for my future kid(s):sad:

[Phoenix Wright]

:rofl:

I see what you did there.

I don't get it...

[HoneyBBQGrundle]

I don't know what this could possibly do to benefit gays, but saying "Mum/mum-ma" instead of mother/mom was always retarded to me.

Why? Mum is just like mom except it sounds more like the original word.

[Sev]

Censoring phrases isn't going to make gay couples any more accepted. Sure their intentions might have been good, but they only managed to make people more angry. Gotta love politicians.

[goodm0urning]

government Schools Secretary Ed BallsSeriously?

[Superking]

I'm politically correct, but this is just stupid.

Power has gone to Arnie's head, which would explain this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZU7tzVu2h6k

[iwst99]

This is the kind of shit that gives gays a bad reputation. We don't all think in this backwards way. We're not all offended by using the term "gay." If anything is gay is this fucking law. :annoy::annoy::annoy:

[Pasteycracker]

Funny somewhat related story... I was walking on campus to the Business hall where my Computer Security class and someone wrote in chalk:

"THAT IS SO
GAAAAAAAY
(it's offensive!)"

Really, is it offensive? Because I have a few friends who happen to be gay and they describe everything stupid as gay...

I'm all for being "Politically Correct" but some of this shit is just retarded. *shrugs*

[DrumlinerJoe]

Wow, this is just awful. As a gay man I have absoutely no idea what use any of this would be. Not to mention I have NEVER heard a gay man or woman complain about "mom and dad." Wow, this is just, wow.

[Korigama]

Was anyone else highly disturbed by this?

Political Correctness is almost facist in these public institutions now.
Wonder how many Britains are willing to deny their right to free speech for the sake of this?

It bothered me quite a bit. This was quite retarded, too.

Less than a year earlier, the Scottish National Health Service decided to become "LGBT-friendly" by issuing directives to workers to halt any and all uses of "father," "mother," "husband," "wife" etc....

Yes, let's completely eliminate references to any and all things even remotely related to heterosexuality...that's the perfect way to increase acceptance of homosexuality and not be a bunch of clueless, totalitarian dipshits about it. :rolleyes:

[Autocrat1]

Thought thread title said "Cum and Nad"

Fucking 2nd shift making me disoriented...

[Will Gotti]

Fuck all that bull jive. I'll scream mom and dad on my phone walking around downtown Sacramento if I have to. "Yea ma this is some bullshit around here, where's daddy at?" That's what they are to me, MOM and DAD. I can't help it if my family's straight and theirs isn't.

[TheSix]

Funny somewhat related story... I was walking on campus to the Business hall where my Computer Security class and someone wrote in chalk:

"THAT IS SO
GAAAAAAAY
(it's offensive!)"

Really, is it offensive? Because I have a few friends who happen to be gay and they describe everything stupid as gay...

I'm all for being "Politically Correct" but some of this shit is just retarded. *shrugs*

That about sums it up.

I don't know one gay person IRL that gets offended by something dumb being called gay. If anything, they're the first persons to use the word in that context.

[ElderGOD]

This article is gay.

Kid going to go out somewhere: "I'm going fishing with my mom and dad."
Gays: "That's illegal to say. STFU plz. kkthxbai"

[FurryCurry]

It bothered me quite a bit. This was quite retarded, too.



Yes, let's completely eliminate references to any and all things even remotely related to heterosexuality...that's the perfect way to increase acceptance of homosexuality and not be a bunch of clueless, totalitarian dipshits about it. :rolleyes:

OH GOD! SEX ED CLASS!

"So, teacher, you're saying that the penis can go anywhere?"
"Um. Yes."
"So if I take this dude's head and try and shove my penis in his nostril and nostril fuck him, it's okay? He won't get pregnant from nostril fucking will he?"
"No."
"Now what if he did. What would that make him once the baby was born?"
"A parent."
"What if it was a woman? Ya know, like the old days."
"A parent too."
"So why even bother with the terms man and woman? Let's just be humans!"
"The government hasn't put that into law, yet."

[ElderGOD]

Thinking back, times sure do change.

Some kid in class in elementary school said "I don't need a mommy, I have two dads." Back then everyone was laughing at that kid until he left the school.

Now times change and having two dads might actually be normal.

Next thing you know woman will start researching how to create sperm.

[Mechanica]

Now times change and having two dads might actually be normal.


Nope, you'll still get ridiculed out of the school. You guys are looking at this too literally, the actual 'ban' on saying something is stupid, but I for one like the motivation behind it. You guys don't really know what it's like to be gay and have to deal with kids in public school. :/ Or any school, I'd imagine. I'm never gonna have kids because as soon as anyone at school found out he had two dads he'd be ridiculed for the rest of his entire school career.

It's not about being fucking offended by the words, it's about keeping the poor fucking kids sane. Kids are fucking coldhearted.

Seriously, middle school was the worst time of my life. . .

[Will Gotti]

Nope, you'll still get ridiculed out of the school. You guys are looking at this too literally, the actual 'ban' on saying something is stupid, but I for one like the motivation behind it. You guys don't really know what it's like to be gay and have to deal with kids in public school. :/ Or any school, I'd imagine. I'm never gonna have kids because as soon as anyone at school found out he had two dads he'd be ridiculed for the rest of his entire school career.

It's not about being fucking offended by the words, it's about keeping the poor fucking kids sane.

Seriously, middle school was the worst time of my entire life. . .

The motivation is stupid. I gotta stop saying "hey mom and dad" when addressing my parents to make gay people feel better? Piss on that noise. I don't know what's it's like being gay and don't care to, but I know what it's like to be black in a predominately white elementary school and HS. I'm not condoning the ridicule because people are who they are, but it just shows that having two dads or two moms isn't normal. It's just the facts of life.

[iwst99]

I don't know what's it's like being gay and don't care to, but I know what it's like to be black in a predominately white elementary school and HS. I'm not condoning the ridicule because people are who they are, but it just shows that having two dads or two moms isn't normal. It's just the facts of life.

Are you saying you were ridiculed at your school for being black by a majority of whote kids? I can't tell from your post. In that case, would being black in that environment be considered abnormal as well?

[Phoenix Wright]

The UK sucks ass.

USA, USA, USA!
Freedom country baby.

[ElderGOD]

Freedom country baby.

*special restrictions apply

[Wellman]

I am somewhat liberal, but this some bullshit right here. Fuck UK and California law, how are you going to enforce this shit. Give detention to kids for just saying "Mom and Dad"? Teachers will be suspended for asking "Is this your mom?" or "Where is your dad tonight?" on Parent-Teacher Night?


I think the political correct nonsense has gone this far because, if you try to go against it, folk get all mad and call you bigot or some bullshit.

[Mechanica]

The motivation is stupid. I gotta stop saying "hey mom and dad" when addressing my parents to make gay people feel better? Piss on that noise.
You just agreed with me - I said the actual ban/'ban' of saying mom or dad is stupid, but the motivation/idea behind it is good. No shit piss on that noise. Sheltering the kids with word bans isn't a good idea, that's not what I'm saying. All I was trying to say is I respect the effort, no matter how futile, to make school a comfortable place for kids with gay parents. What can I say? It's a big issue to me - I feel like I cannot have comfortably raise children in today's society, and to be honest it depresses me. I've never wanted kids, but it's the principle.


I don't know what's it's like being gay and don't care to, but I know what it's like to be black in a predominately white elementary school and HS.
I'm not saying gays are the only people who get persecuted in school, by any means, if that's what you're getting at. In my opinion though, kids don't look at race much when they're young unless their parents themselves are racist... Like, it took me until last year when I moved back here to Edmonds to realize nobody's black here. I grew up here but I didn't notice because when you're little you don't pay attention to shit like (or am I in the minority there?) race. It seems like, for some reason, homophobia is way more rampant. I hear younger and younger kids throwing around *** and gay in pretty hateful ways all the time. I cannot once recall any real racial issues in school, but I went from schools that were predominately white to very very mixed schools so I guess my view is slanted.

[ElderGOD]

I don't see kids throwing around gay in a hateful way.

It's common to say "x is gay."

I know what it's like to be the only white guy in a black area, but most of them are cool.
We get along well because cops are gay.

[Will Gotti]

Are you saying you were ridiculed at your school for being black by a majority of whote kids? I can't tell from your post. In that case, would being black in that environment be considered abnormal as well?

No I'm not saying that at all. I'm gonna go into detail. I was rather popular because I was one of the shortest guys, about 5'4 back then I'm 5'7 now, many of my friends from elementary school went to the same HS, their siblings went there too so I got to know them and their friends. Girls liked me, I was funny, didn't take shit, was cool with just about everyone except a few, you get the idea. HS was good to me.

The only problems I had was with the other black kids who came after my freshman year, mainly the class that was right behind me all the way up to graduation. The black kids in my class were just like me, we went to elementary school together and then HS. Of the class after me, I knew one from childhood but we hadn't seen each other in years and she really didn't care. Another lived like 5 minutes away from me and rode the bus w/me. I was cool with all the black girls and like 4 of the black guys in that class who were chill but others just didn't understand.

The others didn't like me because they thought I was a "traitor" or some shit, but I was like I grew up with these kids wtf do you want me to abandon them? It was stupid. They'd just say shit behind my back and I'd learn from the guy who lived 5 mins. from me. They segregated themselves w/the "black table" during lunch, while I mingled and had fun during lunch with the other kids.

I don't consider it abnormal being black in a predominately white environment or any other. My life was chameleon like. At school it was white people, at home/family/church, etc. it was mainly black people. I lived in S. Korea for a year with the military. Imagine when I went out, I was a sore thumb among a bunch of Koreans, but I found my place and had my Army family. You can't compare apples to bananas. They're totally different. To me abnormal is when a kids' parents has two dicks or two pussies. It goes against the laws of sexual nature, but it demands social acceptance. It's like a frog w/horns, a fish with human legs. Sexuality is much different than race. Had I been a gay black dude, who knows what school, the military or Korea would have been like. We had like two gay kids in HS that I remember and they kept a low profile. They didn't engage in any gay stuff at school. They just had a bunch a female friends.

[Will Gotti]

You just agreed with me - I said the actual ban/'ban' of saying mom or dad is stupid, but the motivation/idea behind it is good. No shit piss on that noise. Sheltering the kids with word bans isn't a good idea, that's not what I'm saying. All I was trying to say is I respect the effort, no matter how futile, to make school a comfortable place for kids with gay parents. What can I say? It's a big issue to me - I feel like I cannot have comfortably raise children in today's society, and to be honest it depresses me. I've never wanted kids, but it's the principle.

I did not agree with you. You're focusing on the effort and you're contradicting yourself in the process. You're saying "yea I'm saying it's stupid too, no shit piss on that noise" but then you're saying "I respect the effort" and then go on about comfortable environments at school. You're just showing the namby pambiness of your argument about the effort by picking out a phrase I said to be funny or whatever you were going for. You respect the effort of going after the wrong thing and not the real goal. Why put effort on restricting someone from using words that were probably their first, to make gay parents feel better? The effort behind it is baseless. It just makes things stupidly difficult for people with male and female parents. Black people can complain and say "Hey we're actually NOT black but brown and Mexicans are actually tan or sandy brown." So hey let's ban the word black when referring to African Americans. It just weaves a web of unnecessary difficulty. Once we're all caught up in it and tied down like insects in a spider web, gay parents can just look over at each other and say hey at least we won on principle. I'm all about principles but in this situation, there is no principle to fight for. There would be principle and more if the focus was more straightforward to the goal of making environments for kids with gay parents comfortable. Not attacking something as basic as referring to peoples' parents as mom and dad.

Not to sound redundant but I agree the environment should be comfortable for kids with gay parents, but by going after something like uttering the words mom and dad and anything surrounding it's usage is totally unacceptable.

I'm not saying gays are the only people who get persecuted in school, by any means, if that's what you're getting at. In my opinion though, kids don't look at race much when they're young unless their parents themselves are racist... Like, it took me until last year when I moved back here to Edmonds to realize nobody's black here. I grew up here but I didn't notice because when you're little you don't pay attention to shit like (or am I in the minority there?) race. It seems like, for some reason, homophobia is way more rampant. I hear younger and younger kids throwing around *** and gay in pretty hateful ways all the time. I cannot once recall any real racial issues in school, but I went from schools that were predominately white to very very mixed schools so I guess my view is slanted.My view is slanted on homosexuality because just like you, it was reversed for me. I only encountered two gay people during school and didn't notice them much throughout my 4 years because everyone was chasing skirts. Our school was 99.99% straight. When living in upstate NY I only came into contact with gays at work, 2 guys, and that was it.

My generation in my schools, to my recollection, didn't throw *** and gay around in hateful ways like what you're saying. I'm not saying they didn't, because I know they did, but I can just imagine the new breed of kids.

[Mechanica]

I did not agree with you. You're...

Okay can I get a mulligan on that sentence? I agree with you, then... stop arguing at me. :razz: I COMPLETELY AGREE WITH EVERYTHING YOU ARE SAYING. I think the action itself is indeed fucking ridiculously stupid, I just... ah nevermind. I'm having a lot of problems properly getting my thoughts across in English today... Maybe I should drink a couple of pints of vodka every night.

[Will Gotti]

Okay can I get a mulligan on that sentence? I agree with you, then... stop arguing at me. :razz: I COMPLETELY AGREE WITH EVERYTHING YOU ARE SAYING. I think the action itself is indeed fucking ridiculously stupid, I just... ah nevermind. I'm having a lot of problems properly getting my thoughts across in English today... Maybe I should drink a couple of pints of vodka every night.

I'm not arguing with you in the definition of the word you're probably thinking by being quarrelsome. I'm just talking to you engaging in conversation on the topic, but if you define that as arguing then be my guest. I just don't see how you can agree w/everything I'm saying when I clearly don't agree with respecting their effort.

[ElderGOD]

I feel like calling Britain and asking them how much it would cost to travel there with my mum and dad.

[Mechanica]

I just don't see how you can agree w/everything I'm saying when I clearly don't agree with respecting their effort.

Maybe the different way you presented it caused me to lose the little respect I had for them at least trying? :lol: I dunno. I use the word argue for lack of a better word. Again, I'm not conveying my thoughts properly right now. Respecting their effort should have probably said something else. I finally realize that phrasing it like that is what caused such a conflict. :lol: I don't respect the effort they're taking, because they're making stupid decisions, I just acknowledge the fact that (I guess :wtf:) they're trying, ya know? It's fucking stupid as hell but just that they're trying to be more aware of such a thing and remedy it (again, with an absolutely horrid attempt - nothing should be 'banned', people should be taught and enlightened, not hidden from things).

I mean fuck, if you have two dads you have two dads. You can't just ban the word and pretend like the problem's fixed. What do kids address same sex parents as? Do they come up with two synonyms, like one is Mom the other mom is Ma? Haha.

[bear]

This is pretty backwards. It improves nothing. Instead of dancing around certain phrasings, or striving to make everyone seem the same (with something as trivial as word choice, no less), why not just teach people that there's nothing wrong with "not being normal" in most cases? That variety makes things interesting, and to be cool with people's differences, even if you don't always understand them. And more so, that there's not a lot worth getting your panties in a wad over, especially something as lame as whether someone said "mom and dad" instead of "the two beings that have legal control over you until you are 18 ... or perhaps one, if one of them has passed on."

[bear]

P.S. - Stuff is gay.

[lamewadd]

First the lesbians start stealing our (ugly) women. Then the gays start making us make us worry about the guy a few urinals over who looks at us funny. Now they're stealing our words?!?!?!

[Will Gotti]

Maybe the different way you presented it caused me to lose the little respect I had for them at least trying? :lol: I dunno. I use the word argue for lack of a better word. Again, I'm not conveying my thoughts properly right now. Respecting their effort should have probably said something else. I finally realize that phrasing it like that is what caused such a conflict. :lol: I don't respect the effort they're taking, because they're making stupid decisions, I just acknowledge the fact that (I guess :wtf:) they're trying, ya know? It's fucking stupid as hell but just that they're trying to be more aware of such a thing and remedy it (again, with an absolutely horrid attempt - nothing should be 'banned', people should be taught and enlightened, not hidden from things).

I mean fuck, if you have two dads you have two dads. You can't just ban the word and pretend like the problem's fixed. What do kids address same sex parents as? Do they come up with two synonyms, like one is Mom the other mom is Ma? Haha.

Now this is when I can say that you agree with me. This made much better sense. Everything you said in this post is on point IMO. My whole point was addressed when you said they're trying and there's nothing wrong with trying. I can understand the internal concern that's hard to express through words. I'm not contradicting previous statements about effort because I'll get to that in my next paragraph.

Which brings me to the fact that they just don't know what route to take and end up going a horribly asinine one pretending the problems' fixed just like you said. The reason why I said I didn't respect the effort was because that useless effort wasn't gonna yield anything that would ultimately fix their problem. It's just gonna shift problems onto the majority creating a big nuisance for people with male and female parents. Even by just saying "parents" if "mom and dad" slips what happens then? Mom and dad is considered normal, but even saying parents everyone is still gonna think mom and dad not dad and dad or mom and mom. The sentiment still lingers even if "parents" is just used. Someone's gonna find out that the kid has gay parents, friends have to come over and play sometime. If the gay parents don't allow other kids into their home to play with their kids, that's even further sheltering and hiding from the problem. I don't know the solution, but we're humans we'll find one even if it takes another who knows how many years.

[rush down]

The ads on this thread are... gay.

[Mechanica]

I can understand the internal concern that's hard to express through words.

Getting tanked last night definitely didn't help, either. I couldn't even make smalltalk with my yuppie customers at my café today...

It's just too many filters, first the thought has to pass the I-got-wasted-last-night mental block... then there's the translation from thought to spoken word to text and conveying it over the internet. :lol:

[iwst99]

You can't compare apples to bananas. They're totally different. To me abnormal is when a kids' parents has two dicks or two pussies. It goes against the laws of sexual nature, but it demands social acceptance..

I know they're apples to banans, I just didn't understand why you brought in the being black in a white school thing, when the two moms/dads thing is completely unrelated.

It doesn't matter though, I disagree with this fucking van.

I don't usually go to gay bars...i went for my 21st birthday and that was it, but I went to one tonight...god I hate that shit. I can't stand the REALLY queeny gay guys, especially the borderline women there...see, I believe those are the types of gays that give us a bad name, and those are the same ones that come up with these stupid laws...it's only the extremist gay groups that give a fuck about this, like I said, the gays on here seem to agree that this law is wack...Please don't think of us all like these queens. :sad:

[Will Gotti]

I know they're apples to banans, I just didn't understand why you brought in the being black in a white school thing, when the two moms/dads thing is completely unrelated.

It doesn't matter though, I disagree with this fucking van.

I don't usually go to gay bars...i went for my 21st birthday and that was it, but I went to one tonight...god I hate that shit. I can't stand the REALLY queeny gay guys, especially the borderline women there...see, I believe those are the types of gays that give us a bad name, and those are the same ones that come up with these stupid laws...it's only the extremist gay groups that give a fuck about this, like I said, the gays on here seem to agree that this law is wack...Please don't think of us all like these queens. :sad:

The reason why I brought up being black in a white school was to show that I can understand what it's like sticking out. But when you said isn't being black in that sort of environment abnormal I felt the apple and bananas association didn't apply. Being so deeply assimilated into that type of world and environment, it was nothing to me. People tell me that I have this aura like I belong wherever I'm at. School, a club, etc. it's a confidence factor that I built up to be excepted and it comes off w/o me knowing it but people tell me.

It seemed abnormal to me at first but I had to build up a strong spirit to help me feel deserving of wherever I was and it seems normal to me. You can call it abnormal, but I feel that abnormalities in sexuality is clearly different than race.

[Smashunit]

this is bullshit...thats for sure....

[Tiberious]

*Shakes head and sighs*

I know what I have to say will be completely unpopular, but I need to say it. Agree, disagree, like me, dislike me, I don't give a damn either way. Only thing that'll shut me up is a site-ban, and since I'm not breaking any rules, doing so would be abuse of power, and wouldn't reflect kindly on the site and its administration, so here goes.

This is what happens when liberalism gets free reign in government. This is also the same ideology that brought us the welfare check, the mess that is social security, and the soft bigotry of lowered expectations, via Affirmative Action (all designed to keep the lower classes suckling from the government teat and electing those who perpetuate these kinds of programs).

This is why I'll be doing my part to keep this kind of shit from crossing the Atlantic come the elections.

Yes, I know you keep hearing that Iraq's a mess, but that's only what the 'drive-by media' is telling you. The mainstream news outlets have all become completely worthless, and we really ARE making progress over there. All our sudden withdrawal will do is let the country slide back into the same shit they were in before. Even if it IS a mess, we made it, and have the obligation to clean it up.


Now, as for the topic at hand, this just proves you can't legislate acceptance. It has to be won in the most democratic way possible: by convincing the populace at large that there's nothing wrong with <insert group here>.

This is going to do nothing but turn public opinon against homosexuals even more than the rampant hypocrisy that's already there (you've seen it: the whole 'we're just like you' argument, then turning right around and throwing how different they are in your face via a 'pride parade'). Bad move, England, bad move...

[Renegade]

Actually, I agree with the legislation, but not the motivation.

First off, the article does not ban the use of "Mum and Dad" by kids. Kids can say "My Mom and Dad" all they want.

What is IS banning: is teachers saying it in reference to kids parents... i.e. "Get your Mum and Dad to sign your report cards."

Now... the homophobia reason is retarded. I don't really know statistics, but kids being raised by gay or lesbian parents have to be a microscopic minority.

But.. I do SUPPORT this legislation because the phrase "mom and dad" also singles out kids who

1. Are from single parent familes
2. Don't have either (have a guardian)

My parents died when I was 11. Every time the teacher asked "get your mom and dad to sign this" i thought of the fact that I didn't have them around anymore. Whenever a teacher asked "now what does your mom and dad do?" I had to tell the class I didn't have a mom and dad, that I lived with my older sister and brother. Before I really knew better, I had to ask the teacher after class if it was ok if my sister signed for stuff (of course it was ok, but i was 12). Even worse, I was in middle school when the "Yo Mama" jokes were ALL the rage. Either I just smiled about it and shrugged it off, or told the kid my mom died in a car accident and ruined his day. School is fucking tough.

If this is about getting teachers to stop assuming that every kid comes from a typical nuclear family, then I suppose that's a good thing. Because, this is not the 50's, and no family is the fucking Cleavers.

But the bottom line is that I'm ok despite those hardships, and I trudged through it. Life isn't fair, and people need to get over it. It's not like by getting teachers to stop saying mom and dad, and all of sudden these kids' lives will be better. It's not like the other kids in school won't find out the parents are homo, or that I was orphaned, or you have a single mom, or anything like that. They find out. That's life.

But I suppose if the teachers can do a little more that may make the kids without a normal family feel ok, then that's good.

[Fulaani]

Nope, you'll still get ridiculed out of the school. You guys are looking at this too literally, the actual 'ban' on saying something is stupid, but I for one like the motivation behind it. You guys don't really know what it's like to be gay and have to deal with kids in public school. :/ Or any school, I'd imagine. I'm never gonna have kids because as soon as anyone at school found out he had two dads he'd be ridiculed for the rest of his entire school career.

It's not about being fucking offended by the words, it's about keeping the poor fucking kids sane. Kids are fucking coldhearted.

Seriously, middle school was the worst time of my life. . .
stop crying, kids are kids

[Alex]

The PC slippery slope continues.

[DrumlinerJoe]

I think what this is doing is giving off the wrong impression of gay people here. I can assure you if you go talk to any gay man or woman they would think that this is ludicris. This really just sounds like a case of wierd straight people over thinking things.

[Bernard]

I am not opposed to this but, to balance it out I want them to replace the word gay and lesbian with butt pirate and rotten clam ninja in all government literature.

[KnightWarrior]

I just don't like this....

[Rhythm1c]

Controlling language does not control thought. My two cents.


:/

[ORV]

LMAO. The world is catering to the fags... NOT I!

[Will Gotti]

Actually, I agree with the legislation, but not the motivation.

First off, the article does not ban the use of "Mum and Dad" by kids. Kids can say "My Mom and Dad" all they want.

What is IS banning: is teachers saying it in reference to kids parents... i.e. "Get your Mum and Dad to sign your report cards."

Now... the homophobia reason is retarded. I don't really know statistics, but kids being raised by gay or lesbian parents have to be a microscopic minority.

But.. I do SUPPORT this legislation because the phrase "mom and dad" also singles out kids who

1. Are from single parent familes
2. Don't have either (have a guardian)

My parents died when I was 11. Every time the teacher asked "get your mom and dad to sign this" i thought of the fact that I didn't have them around anymore. Whenever a teacher asked "now what does your mom and dad do?" I had to tell the class I didn't have a mom and dad, that I lived with my older sister and brother. Before I really knew better, I had to ask the teacher after class if it was ok if my sister signed for stuff (of course it was ok, but i was 12). Even worse, I was in middle school when the "Yo Mama" jokes were ALL the rage. Either I just smiled about it and shrugged it off, or told the kid my mom died in a car accident and ruined his day. School is fucking tough.

If this is about getting teachers to stop assuming that every kid comes from a typical nuclear family, then I suppose that's a good thing. Because, this is not the 50's, and no family is the fucking Cleavers.

But the bottom line is that I'm ok despite those hardships, and I trudged through it. Life isn't fair, and people need to get over it. It's not like by getting teachers to stop saying mom and dad, and all of sudden these kids' lives will be better. It's not like the other kids in school won't find out the parents are homo, or that I was orphaned, or you have a single mom, or anything like that. They find out. That's life.

But I suppose if the teachers can do a little more that may make the kids without a normal family feel ok, then that's good.

Which brings me to the fact that they just don't know what route to take and end up going a horribly asinine one pretending the problems' fixed just like you said. The reason why I said I didn't respect the effort was because that useless effort wasn't gonna yield anything that would ultimately fix their problem. It's just gonna shift problems onto the majority creating a big nuisance for people with male and female parents. Even by just saying "parents" if "mom and dad" slips what happens then? Mom and dad is considered normal, but even saying parents everyone is still gonna think mom and dad not dad and dad or mom and mom. The sentiment still lingers even if "parents" is just used. Someone's gonna find out that the kid has gay parents, friends have to come over and play sometime. If the gay parents don't allow other kids into their home to play with their kids, that's even further sheltering and hiding from the problem. I don't know the solution, but we're humans we'll find one even if it takes another who knows how many years.We know that it's for teachers, we just sorta drifted off. Either way it's still not solving the problem of fighting homophobic attitudes. It's not a step towards progress, nothing.

[Irennicus]

Honestly, this isn't the worst thing in the world. I'm not talking about political correctness for correctness sake or even regarding homosexuals. Kids live in a variety of family-types now. Sometimes they only have a mom, a dad, or maybe two moms or two days. Maybe they switch between divorced parents, who knows.

Either way, a kid can feel very alienated if the regular term is just 'mom and dad' when they just stick at home with their mom. I could see that bothering a kindergartener because they think they're not normal.

Banning words would be an unnecessary step, though. All you need to do is make sure the teachers have more tact.

[JackKnife Max]

Sounds rather silly... can't you just say you have two of one if you do.

"Meet my two moms", that kinda thing, y'know?

[Rhio2k]

Honestly, this isn't the worst thing in the world. I'm not talking about political correctness for correctness sake or even regarding homosexuals. Kids live in a variety of family-types now. Sometimes they only have a mom, a dad, or maybe two moms or two days. Maybe they switch between divorced parents, who knows.

Uncle Ruckus: I don't believe the words comin' ou of yo mouth, Robert! Next thang you know you'll be tellin' me it's perfectly acceptable for a child to live in a junkyard, sleepin' in a burnt-out car, with a ex-con german shepherd gamblin' addict as her daddy, an' a half-wit, stutterin' dachshound with Parkinson's as tha momma.

[Bernard]

Controlling language does not control thought. My two cents.


:/

IS that from your New Speak dictionary?

[Hellion]

Controlling language does not control thought. My two cents.


:/

The fuck? It sure as hell does.
Imagine if all the bad words were deleted somehow from the collective consciousness of the world.
You would still feel ill towards some, but can only say "I don't like you," can only think "I don't like you," etc, while you may deep down loathe the bastard.

Language sure as hell does influence thought.

What if ALL words vanished? You'd have only varying levels of grunts and yelling to get your point across, except you'd hardly have a point because u didn't think it beyond mere impulse.

My 2 cents.

I hate this control bull.

[Ninja Wallace]

One book, called "Tackling Gay Issues in School," is for kindergarten through grade 12, and offers a "rationale (for the inclusion of les/bi/gay/trans issues in school)." It features recommended "extracurricular" activities for classes.
...I don't know. I don't want to know.

[FatalFuryD]

Man, I was so hoping that they banned the phrase in favor of "mama and papa."

BUT WELL ALAS

Honestly, I can't speak for gay folks, but it looks too trivial matter to argue about to me.

[Weeks]

just a heads up, world net daily is also known as 'world nut daily', not a very reliable source. they're kind of 'out there'

[BlodiaVulcan5]

the onion is way better.

[Kikou-shou]

The UK sucks ass.

USA, USA, USA!
Freedom country baby.

Please tell me that your being Ironic.

[Weeks]

Please tell me that your being Ironic.

uh oh! someone can't stand the thought of their country being denigrated! welcome to the US bitch.

[jkoch]

Seriously?

I'm 31 years old, and sitting here at work cracking up because the guy's name is Ed Balls!

[Kikou-shou]

uh oh! someone can't stand the thought of their country being denigrated! welcome to the US bitch.

Im not from the UK, Im from Ireland, I was merely pointing out that America is Hardly the land of the free.

[Weeks]

Im not from the UK, Im from Ireland, I was merely pointing out that America is Hardly the land of the free.

'hardly'? bitch when your stupid asses centered your entire economy around one crop and it collapsed, where did you go? now i've gotta watch McClucky the drunken wife-beating cop walking a beat in Boston.

where was the 'land of the free' before america? what country shook off the yoke of aristocracy and said 'give us your poor and tired?' god damn you micks took advantage of that shit like nobodies business.

the uk? please, they still ooh and ahh over their completely useless inbred royals. there are still businessmen who spends millions trying their hardest to become a peer, or wear a piece of woman's clothing, just to fit in with the rest of the sirs and lords.

"i'm not from the uk, i'm from ireland!" that's like saying, "oh i'm not from America, I'm from Mexico". You're not impressing anybody

so to summarize: america rocks and fuck you.


ps: my grandparents are from ireland. i'm just taking the piss outta ya. america still rocks though.