Sagat and Balrog

[ramberk]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5-ZMQ7ZlCqA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfpXh2r72HM

[Hotcarl6]

great find! does that mean they are playable? game is shaping up

[JackTenrac!]

Looks like Capcom DOES care about black people. Just kidding. Awesome find, man. Keep us posted.

[Arsenal]

Looks nice. Can't wait to play it. It definitely looks like it plays strictly like a 2D fighter. Nice.

[haunts]

fuck yes SAGAT!!!!!!!!!

[Agent 54c]

Cool casino background for Sagat. This is great!

Where is Zangief fighting Balrog?

[R-Jive]

Awesome !

[MaybeMemories]

damn ono saying balrog wont show :D

[asianhitler]

Screenshot please. Youtube is blocked at work =(.

[I$AAC]

Screenshot please. Youtube is blocked at work =(.

ditto

[Projectjustice]

Balrog shouldnt be in the game. This is turning out to be SF4:SF2 3D edition.

[whitecrowz]

Nice!
Next is Claw :woot:

Screenshot please. Youtube is blocked at work =(.

Here's a quick screenshot:


http://www.chraibiomar.com/sagarog.JPG

[P.o.t.S.]

Too bad having Boxer means no Dudley, which was a better character in every sense. Sagat is great news on the other hand, I just think it's weird that Zangief seems taller than him (and I know 'Gief was always beastly tall, still).

What I'm really digging is the backgrounds, they all look so lively and awesome so far, you can really tell they're trying to pull off another SF2 just by looking at those.

[Hatred Edge]

Damn! Wanted Dudley not Balrog....


Anyway.. SAGAT!!!!

[EveryFlowerFlow]

Balrog shouldnt be in the game.


Fuck outta here bitch. Balrog IS street fighter.

[Dragonfave723]

More (quality is not great):

http://youtube.com/watch?v=C5xnVtg4evA

[Projectjustice]

Fuck outta here bitch. Balrog IS street fighter.

lol sure. I bet your young.

[P.o.t.S.]

Btw do you think they really are supposed to be bosses again, or that it was just a surprise from Ono?

[wakeupsweep]

Balroggggggggggggggggggggggg

[final_cut]

Aww, man, I hope he is in there, he's my favorite to play.

[Projectjustice]

Im happy Sagat is in it. He should of been in 3s. Unlike the other bosses, Sagat is a road warrior. I see no reason for Balrog to be here if the Bison story arc is done. Besides Dudley is a way better boxer.

[Catalyst]

Okay, I'm fine with two of the bosses in. I'm still hoping that Dictator isn't in, though.

Now hoping for at least two of the new challengers to make it in, preferably T. Hawk and Cammy.

[The_Trigger]

Nice find, sir!

Btw, did Sagat cancel his TK or did I just see that wrong?

And is it just me, or does Balrog look a lot faster than the other characters?

[Catalyst]

Boxer looks gigantic, like the same size as Zangeif. Better lay off the HGH.

[Demon Dash]

This is going to be too good. Balrog with EX's! That could be really dangerous, if there's some form of charge partitioning in this game he could have some nasty combos with dash cancels...

[BrentoBox]

I am pretty sure that the people playing just aren't that good, but those videos make Lariat look hella buff. :D

[Arsenal]

Boxer looks gigantic, like the same size as Zangeif. Better lay off the HGH.

Lol, everyone is SF4 is super buffed out.

[nmbr1krush]

background in the first vid looks sick. I was having doubts but with all this new footage and articles im getting hyped again.

[Captain Ryu]

lol sure. I bet your young.

Balrog is OG. Btw I wouldn't count dudley out just because balrog is in the game. I'm sure they can get 2 boxers with totally different styles in the game.

[FreshOJ]

This is going to be too good. Balrog with EX's! That could be really dangerous, if there's some form of charge partitioning in this game he could have some nasty combos with dash cancels...

Oh...believe it...everybody will have nasty dash-cancelling combos...but Balrog's will look awfully good. :) I'm glad he's back.

[Projectjustice]

Balrog is OG. Btw I wouldn't count dudley out just because balrog is in the game. I'm sure they can get 2 boxers with totally different styles in the game.

The game would be fine without Balrog that my point. It just seems that this is a SF2 remake in 3D and I honestly feel we dont need another SF2 remake. We have had enough of those.

[The Mullah]

what's HGH?

[FreshOJ]

Balrog is OG. Btw I wouldn't count dudley out just because balrog is in the game. I'm sure they can get 2 boxers with totally different styles in the game.

Now *that's* something I want to see. It would be nice to have two *very disctinct* variations of a fighting style in one game.

[Bobbypigo]

Fuck outta here bitch. Balrog IS street fighter.

Gigaton Punch!
lol sure. I bet your young.

??? Um, you know Boxer was in SF2 right?

[DieDeadDeath]

dudley, whos gutter trash now.

[Projectjustice]

??? Um, you know Boxer was in SF2 right?

You know the name of the game is SF4?

[Rojo]

This is going to be too good. Balrog with EX's! That could be really dangerous, if there's some form of charge partitioning in this game he could have some nasty combos with dash cancels...

He was getting hit on those dash punches (blocked). TG, it seems he's not ST status in this game.

Now bring on the rest of the ST cast.

[Captain Ryu]

The game would be fine without Balrog that my point. It just seems that this is a SF2 remake in 3D and I honestly feel we dont need another SF2 remake. We have had enough of those.

I don't see how having classic characters hurts the game. Theres a lot of people out there who really like boxer a lot. I actually think it would be kinda cool to see him and dudley slug it out.

Also I think bobbypigo was pretty much saying why would you assume the guy was young for liking boxer since boxer was from sf2 (1992)

[SmoothCat]

OP that's for the vids homie.

If sagat has his 2 frame standing jab like cvs2 he's gonna be really good. Since eveyone is on roids who the hell is gonna duck the jabs beside chun??....lol

[Captain Ryu]

OP that's for the vids homie.

If sagat has his 2 frame standing jab like cvs2 he's gonna be really good. Since eveyone is on roids who the hell is gonna duck the jabs beside chun??....lol

I'm going to rape you in SF4.

[Bobbypigo]

You know the name of the game is SF4?

:confused: Cmon man, your not even making any sense now. You called him young b/c he likes that Balrog is in SF4. So what the fuck does what you just said have to do with this?

The game would be fine without Balrog that my point. It just seems that this is a SF2 remake in 3D and I honestly feel we dont need another SF2 remake. We have had enough of those.

. . .
nevermind you. You cant possibly say something that I care about.

[Rhythm1c]

Not gonna lie,
It looks weird as fuck for fireballs to pass though 3d characters.......

[StuartHayden]

I like how people bitch about it being another revamped version of SF2 yet capcom has basically said that's their goal.

Bitching is pretty much pointless.

[Captain Ryu]

I like how people bitch about it being another revamped version of SF2 yet capcom has basically said that's their goal.

Bitching is pretty much pointless.

Word...

I'm extremely excited about this game. I'm like a little fucking kid constantly checking the forums for updates and shit. Same for HD remix. I haven't been excited for a game like this since I was younger.

[EndLeSS8]

Sagat in is good. Balrog.... i dunno.

Tiger shot is FREAKING HUGE

Balrog jumps WAYY TOO HIGH AND FAST to be fair.
The guy jumps like Blanka now.

[Lonewolf_Fenrir]

damn ono saying balrog wont show :D

Japan Balrog = Vega.
Japan Vega = M.Bison
Japan M.Bison = Balrog

I guess he meant vega wouldn't be in.

@SH: i like how most people are stupid ^^
Like everybody here enjoys SSF2T, and they're sayin they're not happy that it feels like it.
Damnit, i'm really hyped about that game, i'll definitely be smashing Sagat's ass heheh :wgrin:

[Rhythm1c]

I like how people bitch about it being another revamped version of SF2 yet capcom has basically said that's their goal.

Bitching is pretty much pointless.



Best part is how everybody was so damn sure it couldn't play like sf2 and because of that it would blow.
Now that we know it does indeed play like sf2 the game now feels "too old" :/

[Helter Skelter]

I want to be pleased but I'm having a really time dealing with the fact that that there is only two new characters.
This probably sounds stupid, but I doubt I'm going to enjoy this game.

[blooper]

Balrog shouldnt be in the game. This is turning out to be SF4:SF2 3D edition.

its always been SF2 in 3D. they just keep saying its a new game but we all know the truth.:wonder:

[*Onslaught*]

I want to be pleased but I'm having a really time dealing with the fact that that there is only two new characters.
This probably sounds stupid, but I doubt I'm going to enjoy this game.

They haven't announced every one.:confused:

Here's hoping for Cammy and Akuma next. ^_^

[Fallback]

I am liking what I am seeing. Plus given the fact that they are even doing these all these location tests shows that tweaking and balancing will be done. SF IV seems more likely to be a great game than not. From a feedback bandwagon standpoint this is like 3s all over again.

[Projectjustice]

its always been SF2 in 3D. they just keep saying its a new game but we all know the truth.:wonder:

Yup, glad to see im not alone on this. Might as well add Bison and Vega and call it a day.

[Ubersaurus]

You know the name of the game is SF4?

It sure as hell isn't SF3.

[Projectjustice]

:confused: Cmon man, your not even making any sense now. You called him young b/c he likes that Balrog is in SF4. So what the fuck does what you just said have to do with this?



. . .
nevermind you. You cant possibly say something that I care about.

I feel the same way about you. Ignorance is bliss.

It sure as hell isn't SF3.

Ok?

[Kajiki]

woah! it was true afterall!

[Bass X0]

:shake: I see no reason for Balrog to be here if the Bison story arc is done.

Shadowlaw is still around after Bison's death, remember. Crimson Viper is hunting them down for whatever reason.

[Helter Skelter]

They haven't announced every one.:confused

Well that makes me even more depressed...

This game is shaping up quite nicely, but everytime I see another pre-existing charcter my heart sinks.

I don't think the game sucks or looks shit, I just wish Capcom tried a little harder. They are playing it so safe it's actually disgusting me.
They didn't even try re-imaging the pre-existing charcter's costume designs.

[Projectjustice]

:shake:

Shadowlaw is still around after Bison's death, remember. Crimson Viper is hunting them down for whatever reason.

Its stupid, lets move on already. All this SF2 whoring it tiresome and old.

I agree with everything Helter Skelter stated. A new sequel and we get 2 new characters? The game looks great and so does the gameplay but I already played SF2 in 3D already. Everyone is wearing the same fucking clothes they did in SF2. Its like SF2 ended and SF4 started the same day. UGH!!!

[Lonewolf_Fenrir]

Its stupid, lets move on already. All this SF2 whoring it tiresome and old.
Bleh.
Just shut up already.

[Projectjustice]

Bleh.
Just shut up already.

The truth is hard to bare. I understand.

[Lobelia Mk. IV]

Tcht...I have to agree with the ones saying this is just SFII in 3D. Maybe if there were some Alpha and SFIII characters, or...here's a thought...NEW CHALLENGERS. I was hoping that it'd be more new characters than "HAY GUYS LETS REMAKE SFII LOOL"

[Diek Stiekem]

Nice find, now for Bison and Vega

[Lonewolf_Fenrir]

Can't you guys wait ? The game isn't out yet, do you really believe there's only 12 characters ? O_o
Seriously, think before posting shit. (edit: this was for projectjustice)

[DoTheMove]

Pumped that Sagat is back.
Could care less about the 'Rog.

Dudley is more appealing IMO.

[thumbs_up]

Damn...we can almost all the characters but when Balrog is shown people ant him out. I don't get that shit. Eventho the game is named SF4, it shouldn't be a good enough reason Balrog shouldn't there there....I mean, everyone is there, why not him also......
/* THERES SOME RACIST SHIT GOING ON HERE */ (yes, sarcasm)

[Celtics777]

This game looks like a big pile of shit

The characters take up 1/2 of the screen

[Projectjustice]

Can't you guys wait ? The game isn't out yet, do you really believe there's only 12 characters ? O_o
Seriously, think before posting shit. (edit: this was for projectjustice)

Well I am keeping an open mind about it. I never said the game looks bad or plays horrible. I really want SF4 to be the best it can be but the way things are going with character selection it just looks like a SFII in 3D which is very disappointing. This is SF4 right? Balrog really didnt need to be in this game. Sagat doesnt bother me since he is a road warrior. He was the SF1 champion boss so there is more than enough reason to see him return. I am having a wait and see attittude but Im not going to sit here and be happy that the game just looks like a game ive already played over 100000 times over the past 15 years.

Those that dont think it looks like SF2 in 3D are straight up lying to themselves.

[thumbs_up]

Well I am keeping an open mind about it. I never said the game looks bad or plays horrible. I really want SF4 to be the best it can be but the way things are going with character selection it just looks like a SFII in 3D which is very disappointing. This is SF4 right? Balrog really didnt need to be in this game. Sagat doesnt bother me since he is a road warrior. He was the SF1 champion boss so there is more than enough reason to see him return. I am having a wait and see attittude but Im not going to sit here and be happy that the game just looks like a game ive already played over 100000 times over the past 15 years.

Those that dont think it looks like SF2 in 3D are straight up lying to themselves.

It already is...so why not add Balrog instead of leaving him out y'know?
We just have to expect they add some new characters (maybe some alpha/3s ones).

[caliagent#3]

f the haters, i'm glad to see boxer in the game.

[Keits]

Instead of remaking SF2 in 3d, they SHOULD have retold the WHOLE story, from its most recent cannon, and added every character from SF1, Alpha, 2, and 3, and a handful of newbies. Then, give each one a nice story mode.

Oooops, is this idea too good?

[kitzkozan]

It's obvious that this is a Street fighter 2 remake since Ono indirectly said so himself.By constantly speaking of nostalgia,appealing to the old fans and stuff like that it's easy to conclude that this is an attempt to cash-in on the past glory of the franchise.

How many time will Ono have to say that he's trying to please everyone,especially the old crowd who loved SF2? This is why I am not that excited for the game since it's like I've already played it numerous time.I already know most of the tactics I'm gonna use and the move list.Of course,Ono(or rather Capcom) couldn't care less about SRK or the SF III fans because he want to make a lot of money out of SF IV.

I still expect at least 2-3 more new characters along with Akuma.I think he already stated that Balrog(or Vega) won't be in the game and Vega(M.Bison) should be dead.

If Akuma isn't the last boss,I hope it's a completely new boss character.I would almost be emotionally crushed if M.Bison is the last boss.In fact,a new boss would go a long way toward washing this feeling of being there,done that even if the roster is familiar.Street fighter had it's own boss:Sagat.SF 2=Bison,SF3=Gill and SF IV should be a new boss.I have no problem with Alpha having Bison since it's a prequel and a spin off of the official SF universe.

[Sagatryu]

actually acorrding to Chun-LI's SF4 bio Shadaloo is already pretty much destory, the only thing Chun-LI is doing in SF4 is invesgting indecents that may be cause by the remnants of Shadaloo. acorrding to the story for SF4 that was written on pamphlet at AUO 2008, the game take place in 1994.

edit: this is a tralastion of the Pamphlet by Vasili10

The following year after the so-called legendary World Fighting Championship, they silently began
The questionable incidents following in succession, amidst a secretly maneuvering mysterious organization. Chasers and those followed, within a blend of fellowship and treachery, now, the curtain rises on a new struggle!

[Gutter Trash]

Zangief always gave Boxer trouble. But I am happy he is in, even if my username is Gutter Trash. I love Balrog as equaly as Dudley.

[DarkZero]

f the haters, i'm glad to see boxer in the game.

^^
My thoughts exactly. Glad to see Balrog returning.

[EveryFlowerFlow]

f the haters, i'm glad to see boxer in the game.

amen :woot::rock:

[ramza]

if half the cast aren't brand new, then i'm going to be disappointed. with every old character they add its starting to look less and less likely to happen.

[RevFirst]

Zangief's animation (monster-like) still bugs me but that's it really.
Also: Nice stage in the 1st video and Dudley > Balrog > Sagat.

[The Switcher]

I really would have rather had Dudley then boxer.

Sagat looks cool, but again...I was hoping for a slight redesign...

No one ever took boxer because he was a cool or appealing character. He was just top tier in ST and that's it.

Sagat's ultra is probably insane.

[Kajiki]

Check out the capcom whiteboard. lol.

Sagat and Balrog action figures with the word Believe above them. ;P

http://cams.capcomusa.com/webcam/

Sagat is awesome. I don't like barlog and i hope this doesnt mean no more chance for dudley.

[Ephidel]

wow both vids were sweet.

edit - viewing others.

[Projectjustice]

wow both vids were sweet.

edit - viewing others.

I dunno why, its the same dam fight we have all seen and experience for the past 15 years.:confused:

[The Switcher]

I dunno why, its the same dam fight we have all seen and experience for the past 15 years.:confused:

That's really clever and very funny.

[Ephidel]

well damn, just saying I enjoyed viewing it that's all.

[Captain Ryu]

Is everyone complaining forgetting what this game is doing? Did you guys not read the first egm interview? They're trying to make sf big again and this is the ebst way to do it. Iconic/recognizable characters in a good looking game.

I'm sure if sf4 does well it will lead to more SF games with new shit.

[pc1x1]

Hahah Awesome

Check out the capcom whiteboard. lol.

Sagat and Balrog action figures with the word Believe above them. ;P

http://cams.capcomusa.com/webcam/

Sagat is awesome. I don't like barlog and i hope this doesnt mean no more chance for dudley.

[Kajiki]

If the game is only going to have 16 chars (top 8 and bottom 8, as ono alluded to in one of the vids) then im really kind of dissapointed. If its going to have more than i dont really mind at all.

It just seems like with sagat and balrog there would only be room for 4 more chars. which means that we will either see more new chars or some 3rdStrike/Alpha chars. 16 chars isn't a whole lot and adding balrog just seems like kind of a waste when you compare to all of the other potential choices in the SF world. Not to mention a lot of people expect akuma to be in the game also, which would only leave room for 3 more chars...

If they are going to ad balrog i really hope that they have 20-24 chars instead of 16.. lol

[Projectjustice]

well damn, just saying I enjoyed viewing it that's all.

Im not attacking you dude. Im just frustrated.:mad:

[hubcapsignstop]

blarog looks way too fast to be selectable

i like balrog better than dudley
put i think they should put both in

[Nintendo King]

YES!!! SAGAT now all they need is deejay, yun, makato, urein and alex:wgrin:

[Bobbypigo]

Im not attacking you dude. I just like to E-fight.:mad:

Your all set now.

[Helter Skelter]

f the haters

I really didn't realize I was hating..

[Captain Ryu]

I really didn't realize I was hating..

Well you're obviously not showing love towards boxer being in the game :rofl:


You're not shitting on it as much as others. You gave the game some praise but it was a general message to everyone talking shit about boxer.

[kingfismit]

fuck everyone.:arazz:

Where's Rolento?:mad:

[Shinkuu Tatsumaki]

This is awesome.

But considering how many old characters are returning, I hope they also add at least the same amount of new characters. I know it's a big number, but it just wouldn't feel as new and fresh to me if there were only like a few new characters out of the bunch. SFA and SF3 definitely felt new and fresh because of how many new characters they had. They felt new because it wasn't all old characters PLUS a couple new characters. They had many new characters.

SF4 still looks amazing nontheless.

[buyproduct]

I cant wait till SF 5 hits shelf and I will finally get the chance to play 3rd strike characters in 3D!!!

All jokes aside, I want to see new characters or seldomly seen old characters like Eagle.

[KrsJin]

While I'm still really amped about the game, I too am fearing a ST.1 at this point. I think it's safe and wise to test with what we know and expect a certain way of it to work. But I really, really hope old characters get new stuff, and it ends up having a lot of new characters. It's fine if it plays a lot like ST with a few new elements, but I don't want it to be ST.

[Nairdas]

The only thing keeping me from being completely sold on the game is the fucking roster. I mean look at it:

Ryu
Ken
Honda
Dhalsim
Zangeif
Chun-Li
Guile
Sagat
Balrog
Blanka
C.Viper
Abel

12 characters announced and only 2 new? Come on Ono and Capcom? I know they want to relive the glory days of STII, but this is fucking ridiculous. Not mention that Akuma is most likely going to be in this game. And where are the female characters? We only have two right now, and I remember Ono saying something about fixing that.

[ToyRobotTerror]

rog vs dudders, make it happen!

[Bass X0]

If the game is only going to have 16 chars (top 8 and bottom 8, as ono alluded to in one of the vids) then im really kind of dissapointed. If its going to have more than i dont really mind at all.

It just seems like with sagat and balrog there would only be room for 4 more chars. which means that we will either see more new chars or some 3rdStrike/Alpha chars. 16 chars isn't a whole lot and adding balrog just seems like kind of a waste when you compare to all of the other potential choices in the SF world. Not to mention a lot of people expect akuma to be in the game also, which would only leave room for 3 more chars...

If they are going to ad balrog i really hope that they have 20-24 chars instead of 16.. lol

Its a copy and paste of the SF2 line-up. Not a hand picked selection like other games were. Balrog is in because he was in SF2. Thats the only reason. Its not like they put him in due to his merits as a playable character or anything.

Vega will no doubt he in as will Akuma. Thats two. Bison will probably be in even though he should really be dead. And I'm thinking there'll be a new boss character too.

[SAPhoenix]

12 characters announced and only 2 new? Come on Ono and Capcom? I know they want to relive the glory days of STII, but this is fucking ridiculous. Not mention that Akuma is most likely going to be in this game. And where are the female characters? We only have two right now, and I remember Ono saying something about fixing that.

So let him. You're not looking at the finished product.

[AKUMA2000]

good find.

[dn3000]

Sorry for the ignorance but Sagat (yay) and Balrog (meh)... SF4 is set in between 2 and 3? So has Ono actually said hes going to progress the game with SF5? Set after SF3???

Btw Zangief & C.viper is top tier wise?.... never mind probably wrong thread.

[Bass X0]

So has Ono actually said hes going to progress the game with SF5? Set after SF3???

way too early to say one way or another. i doubt even Ono himself knows.

[Kajiki]

Its a copy and paste of the SF2 line-up. Not a hand picked selection like other games were. Balrog is in because he was in SF2. Thats the only reason. Its not like they put him in due to his merits as a playable character or anything.

Vega will no doubt he in as will Akuma. Thats two. Bison will probably be in even though he should really be dead. And I'm thinking there'll be a new boss character too.

Yes, i agree. Thats precisely the reason so many people are getting pissed...

Ono said that if you took the player select screen (from GDC) and squared it off, it would give you a good idea of how many characters would be in the game. If that still holds true then will we end up playing SF2 + Abel and Viper? Most of us already own SF2, we already play SF2, we don't want the exact same damn game again.

I really hope they extend the roster to add some NEW chars, as well as some crossovers from 3rd strike and maybe alpha. I don't understand why Ono would go out of his way to mention the possibility of characters from other titles and to promise more new characters, if we are going to see the roster filling up with SF2 chars alone. I really dont mind having SF2 fighters, but i want to see some new and some crossover content as well, i would rather have seen 25%/25%/50% (SF2/SF3/NEW characters), instead of this current roster where 84% is old stuff, and 16% is new...

So has Ono actually said hes going to progress the game with SF5? Set after SF3???

Capcom didn't even want to make a SFIV until the anniversary came up and they decided to bring it back. Many people in the company wanted to do it but weren't sure how to go about it. Its pretty safe to assume that if this game sells very well (which it will, especially due to the extreme amount of media coverage and hype so far) capcom will most likely decide to continue on with the street fighter franchise. Whether or not that means a sequel to 3rdStrike is up in the air.

While it is much to early to really be sure. Companies are motivated of sales more than anything else, and since SFIV will sell very well, i have good reason to believe that this wont be the end of the street fighter series. The reason it has been such a long time between 3 and 4, is because 3 did not sell very well at all.

[crazydiamond]

Why does the inclusion of Bison mean no Dudley? He obviously would have been planned all along so why was Dudley included in that poll if they didn't intend on considering having the two together?

[Twiggy.K]

it's CapUSA's who did the poll. So depending on how much power they have, they can say to put dud in the game since Ono seems keen on wanting to put Sakura.

[archetype]

You listen really closely during the 2 matches, you can here Just Defend sound efx from cvs2 sometimes. Not joking.

[Ender120]

Give Sagat Psycho Power!

[ToyRobotTerror]

You listen really closely during the 2 matches, you can here Just Defend sound efx from cvs2 sometimes. Not joking.
i hear it too

[Gutter Trash]

I can't understand the bitching.
Balrog is an insanely great character, he is a Street Fighter, he is a Boxer, he is bad-ass.
The name of the game is Street Fighter for crying out loud.
Long live Balrog!

And I'm happy that the king of muay-thai (Sagat) is back too.

[gridman]

fuck people who hating on boxer
boxer rules

also - chars look huge..i hope they fix that. they're taking up a lot of the screen

still waiting for hawk, necro, or deejay. hawk would be absolutely amazing but im not counting on it :(

[kev_the_bev]

YES! if there was 2 world warriors I wanted to return in this, it was these two.

[CoMeBaCk386]

look lets be serious for a moment.. taking two different gaming engines 3s and st... dudley was good for that engine yes but Rog is purly a hard hitting mother f'er i think its safe to say that boxer is a great choice for this new game which seems to lead away from the big combo juggling system.

[CptMunta]

You listen really closely during the 2 matches, you can here Just Defend sound efx from cvs2 sometimes. Not joking.

Yeah the voice acting reminds me of EX as well. I heard it a bit through Dhalsim and Guile but now hearing Sagats Tigers!

They could be using them as place holders till they add newer sound fx. They haven't nailed Guile's voice since the CPS1 days I reckon.

Here's to hoping Sagat is not the final boss. I'd like some new cheap badass bastard.

The new stages look great. Ono said somewhere about not have completely character specific stages. I hope he changes his mind since this added to the charm of Street Fighter.

[Captain Ryu]

The just defend sound effect is actually an indication that you're super meter has filled up.

[_MJ_#R]

boses are in. Cant wait to see Bison!

[felineki]

Again, since when does same characters = same game? Is Alpha 3 an SF2 remake? It has every single SF2 character after all, something SF4 doesn't (as of yet). Unless they scrap the Saving Attacks, EX moves, dashes, air recoveries(?) and other stuff, as well as ramp the damage way up, reduce the input windows on everything (particularly canceling into supers), make juggles extremely limited, and make throws and projectiles REALLY good, then it's NOT going to play like SF2. For a site that's supposedly about in-depth gameplay, you'd think this would be obvious. You're reminding me of posts I've seen on other forums claiming that all Street Fighter games are the same, because "they all have Ken and Ryu, who have the exact same moves".

[Rhythm1c]

hmmm,

At a 1:00 in on the sagat video, It looks like he cancels his tiger knee and his him with some sort of normal. Looks like a duel knee/elbow strike.
Maybe that is his focus attack :O

If saving attacks can cancel out other moves. You can do some interesting baits with that shit.

[seantree]

hmmm,

At a 1:00 in on the sagat video, It looks like he cancels his tiger knee and his him with some sort of normal. Looks like a duel knee/elbow strike.
Maybe that is his focus attack :O

If saving attacks can cancel out other moves. You can do some interesting baits with that shit.

Was just gonna post the same shit. That looks scary as hell :)

[Helter Skelter]

I really wish some of you guys would quit the "Fuck the haters" gag.
My problem with the game has nothing to do with the characters themselves, but with Ono's annoyingly jaded design ethic.

Like I said before I think the game looks really nice, the engine is shaping up to be quite solid and the styling is extremely likable (to me anyway). However, I can't get excited over characters I've seen so many times before, it's not even like I can say "Wow, I've waited forever for that character to come back", because these characters have been in millions of games already. Capcom didn't even try anything new in the characters costume design (and they could have), and the worst things is THEY HAVE PRACTICALLY THE SAME FUCKING NORMALS FROM SUPER TURBO!!

Yes, designers do mistakes and I totally see where Capcom is going with this, but designing something so safely disgusts me personally.

[BadMojo]

Regarding the squaring off the character select screen comment Ono made, I think they could add an extra 4 characters to the top half of the screen. Don't forget they could also shrink each selection a little bit. So I think we could see up to 24 characters plus one hidden in the final product.

[Projectjustice]

I really wish some of you guys would quit the "Fuck the haters" gag.
My problem with the game has nothing to do with the characters themselves, but with Ono's annoyingly jaded design ethic.

Like I said before I think the game looks really nice, the engine is shaping up to be quite solid and the styling is extremely likable (to me anyway). However, I can't get excited over characters I've seen so many times before, it's not even like I can say "Wow, I've waited forever for that character to come back", because these characters have been in millions of games already. Capcom didn't even try anything new in the characters costume design (and they could have), and the worst things is THEY HAVE PRACTICALLY THE SAME FUCKING NORMALS FROM SUPER TURBO!!

Yes, designers do mistakes and I totally see where Capcom is going with this, but designing something so safely disgusts me personally.

Good post.

[The Switcher]

Good post.

Not really.

If you were Capcom, and you were bringing back a franchise that's had almost 10 years since it's last proper entry, AND you want to turn a profit with it....would you take risks with it?

No.

[caliagent#3]

lol some of you guys are insane. It's been stated in several articles what the point of this project is supposed to be. If you don't like it just don't play it i guess, or wait for sf5 and pray for SF3 characters.

[Slayzz]

Damn! whats with all the whining? I'm disappointed so far too, since only 2 new characters are announced. But I'm being optimistic because it's not out yet and Ono haven't said how many characters are in SF4. Characters are being slowly announce and they still have till June(it comes out in June right?) to announce them all. So we'll just have to wait and see.

[Nagi]

yes brother Devon

[Projectjustice]

Not really.

If you were Capcom, and you were bringing back a franchise that's had almost 10 years since it's last proper entry, AND you want to turn a profit with it....would you take risks with it?

No.

What makes you think not taking any risk will make SF4 profitable?

[Son Them All]

OMG for some reason I could've SWORE I was gonna get rick rolled by both of those videos. But low and behold...REAL. Ok I'm feelin a little different about SFIV now.

[Slayzz]

I really wish some of you guys would quit the "Fuck the haters" gag.
My problem with the game has nothing to do with the characters themselves, but with Ono's annoyingly jaded design ethic.

Like I said before I think the game looks really nice, the engine is shaping up to be quite solid and the styling is extremely likable (to me anyway). However, I can't get excited over characters I've seen so many times before, it's not even like I can say "Wow, I've waited forever for that character to come back", because these characters have been in millions of games already. Capcom didn't even try anything new in the characters costume design (and they could have), and the worst things is THEY HAVE PRACTICALLY THE SAME FUCKING NORMALS FROM SUPER TURBO!!

Yes, designers do mistakes and I totally see where Capcom is going with this, but designing something so safely disgusts me personally.

Well I don't think its a jaded design ethic because we all know how many people played SF2 compared to SF3. He wanted those people that stopped playing after SF2 to be able to easily pick up and play their favorites in SF4.

I just hope we'll get enough new characters so it doesn't feel too much like SF2 remake in 3D.

[hubcapsignstop]

look lets be serious for a moment.. taking two different gaming engines 3s and st... dudley was good for that engine yes but Rog is purly a hard hitting mother f'er i think its safe to say that boxer is a great choice for this new game which seems to lead away from the big combo juggling system.
fuck that
theres no reason to not have Dudley
he can emphasize finesse and quickness (parry->slipping through fireballs) opposed to balrogs bruising meathead rushdown
totally diff styles
this engine can handle that shit

[Helter Skelter]

Well I don't think its a jaded design ethic because we all know how many people played SF2 compared to SF3. He wanted those people that stopped playing after SF2 to be able to easily pick up and play their favorites in SF4.

I just hope we'll get enough new characters so it doesn't feel too much like SF2 remake in 3D.

You are probably right, I was just venting my frustration.
But seriously, I want to see some new characters, this is getting ridiculous.

[hold dat]

You are probably right, I was just venting my frustration.
But seriously, I want to see some new characters, this is getting ridiculous.


we'll definately get some new characters...it's coming along slowly

plus you know we're gonna get 3 versions of SF4 anyway just like all of the other street fighter games. which allows for more characters to be introduced


The same guy who designed the charaters in 3s is doing this game...he wont dissapoint

[Bass X0]

Again, since when does same characters = same game? Is Alpha 3 an SF2 remake? It has every single SF2 character after all, something SF4 doesn't (as of yet).

The SF2 characters were slowly added to the series along with a healthy number of other characters too. By the time Guile and the male New Challengers were added, we were more than ready for them.

[Gaijinblaze]

Disappointing. Sure, they're popular and should be back, but too bad they unveiled them before showing some consideration for other SF fans. Since everyone knows SF2 is laying the groundwork for this game, putting the CE characters before everyone else is so damn obvious. It's not like Sagat and Boxer being in was some giant mystery. And if they're going to play so similar to their old selves, at least there could be some new matchups to explore if they brought in characters from other SF sources. I hope some new ones are shown before Akuma, Dictator and Claw.

Sagat looks good though.

*shrugs*

[Demon Dash]

fuck that
theres no reason to not have Dudley
he can emphasize finesse and quickness (parry->slipping through fireballs) opposed to balrogs bruising meathead rushdown
totally diff styles
this engine can handle that shit
No it can't cuz it don't have parry...

[wolf_1]

OMG for some reason I could've SWORE I was gonna get rick rolled by both of those videos. But low and behold...REAL. Ok I'm feelin a little different about SFIV now.


HAHAHAHAHAHHAH i thought the same thing too.

[Bass X0]

Since everyone knows SF2 is laying the groundwork for this game, putting the CE characters before everyone else is so damn obvious.

I didn't mind that in Capcom vs. SNK 1 because there was the SNK side too. But we really have been here before where all the SF2 characters have been given priority just because they were in SF2. I don't hate SF2 or its characters, I just get tired when the universe revolves around the same twelve time and time again.

[Tea]

Too bad having Boxer means no Dudley, which was a better character in every sense.
AMEN!!
Like... EVERYBODY loves Dudley. What's the deal?

[wolf_1]

AMEN!!
Like... EVERYBODY loves Dudley. What's the deal?

what's the deal?
bronx style vs faerie flying bull shit

dudley won't last a minute in the bronx.

[Kajiki]

what's the deal?
bronx style vs faerie flying bull shit

dudley won't last a minute in the bronx.

Gutter trash...

[kev_the_bev]

although I do think Balrog >>> Dudley, they still better put Dudley in. they play completely different anyways. where's Urien at?

[MAGUS1234]

what's the deal?
bronx style vs faerie flying bull shit

dudley won't last a minute in the bronx.
IDK, its like tyson vs Ali, anything can happen.

[GrappleRific]

They both look good, but kinda yawn for me. Rather see some new characters. Or gosh, some new moves.

[Kataklysmic]

I'm not diggin the Vegas background. Sorry, it just looks like a 50's Diner.

But now I know who to start with. Fuck yeah, Sagat. And he's got his WW pants back!

[Partialartist]

hmmm,

At a 1:00 in on the sagat video, It looks like he cancels his tiger knee and his him with some sort of normal. Looks like a duel knee/elbow strike.
Maybe that is his focus attack :O

If saving attacks can cancel out other moves. You can do some interesting baits with that shit.

The sound effect makes me think it's an EX. I'm glad Sagat's in, but I hope they find a way to get Dudley in there. Never really liked Balrog.

[shin_ryu]

, I just think it's weird that Zangief seems taller than him (and I know 'Gief was always beastly tall, still).

Capcom is making every single one of their characters huge...chun is almost as big as ryu...they are working too hard to put so much details on characters that they make them even bigger then they are supposed to

[SlothHands]

Good marketing decision by Capcom lol. Balrog ftw! Never did like or used him but I loved fighting against him and loved how other people played him aggressively. He can be a beast.

I still think the characters are too damn huge and bulky. The animations need work and the jumping just looks weird on most characters.

[Helter Skelter]

gosh, some new moves.

:sad:

[Ultima]

While I'm still really amped about the game, I too am fearing a ST.1 at this point. I think it's safe and wise to test with what we know and expect a certain way of it to work. But I really, really hope old characters get new stuff, and it ends up having a lot of new characters. It's fine if it plays a lot like ST with a few new elements, but I don't want it to be ST.

Well, considering that there are dashes, EX moves, a completely new mechanic, and Ryu and Ken feel like they were ripped out of 3S, you won't have anything to worry about then.

Boxer > Dudley.

Though I hope Dudley makes it in as well. It would at least quell some of the bitching...

[EveryFlowerFlow]

man fuck dudley. he ain't from the street's like Rog. boo-hoo some red and blue streaked bitch with long blonde hair stole daddy's car and I let him cos I'm a lil' bitch. pussy.

Rog wouldn't take that shit, boxer would rock that jesus wannabe in his jaw... like POW.


go boxer :rock:

[KrsJin]

Dudley's class alone would destroy the so-called, "Boxer".

1-2--3

[Artayes]

this new updated street fighter 2 game is looking pretty good. oh,what's that...this is street fighter 4? wait a second......:shake:

[ArcadeFire]

IIT "BAAAAAAWWWW"

Jesus Chirst NOTHING makes you fags happy...

[James123]

SF4 just keeps getting better!
im going to have to buy a cab if there isnt one near me lol

[KrsJin]

^ Damn, baller lol.

[tonbarry]

If they gonna put in both sagat and balrog,they should at least put in vega and bison also,aint shadaloo without them.

[R.P.D rookie]

Glad to see Balrog back. That means I can actually get into this game if there was either Q or Balrog.

Dudley is nice but I don't prefer his style to Balrog's, whose style incorporates dirty tricks into his playstyle to win. Like they say, in a street fight, there are no rules.


Balrog's headbutt grab > Anything Dudley's proper rule abiding style has

I mean, I'm sorry but this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q9XEO275-GA in SF4 form is gonna roxorz my boxorz.

[SSJGouKi]

Hopefully they are going to start coming out with some more freakin new characters. Its bad enough the game plays similar to ST but having the same chars that we have been playing for the last 15 years is just pitfull. At the very least bring some of the more newer characters from the more later SF games like 3S.

[hubcapsignstop]

No it can't cuz it don't have parry...
?
give dudley the ability to command dash cancel his saving stance
its the same shit
use your imagination
i am not talking about universal systems here

[James123]

If they gonna put in both sagat and balrog,they should at least put in vega and bison also,aint shadaloo without them.

bison is dead and i think vega is going to come back

[felineki]

Hopefully they are going to start coming out with some more freakin new characters. Its bad enough the game plays similar to ST but having the same chars that we have been playing for the last 15 years is just pitfull. At the very least bring some of the more newer characters from the more later SF games like 3S.Again, how exactly does it play similarly to ST? And even if it did play like ST, why is that necessarily bad?

[glass]

Dudley's style is definitely more technical; Balrog's was more brutal. Dud would duck under your fireball, while Rog would FP you before it came out. hell, Rog would FP you before anything came out. personally i miss the latter style of play and i'm looking forward to seeing Rog again.

besides, i don't think Dudley can be made any more technical than he was in 3S. it'd be like getting CFJ Urien all over again.

(crossing my fingers that standing fierce and low strong are good.)

[Kataklysmic]

besides, i don't think Dudley can be made any more technical than he was in 3S. it'd be like getting CFJ Urien all over again.

Oh, what a nasty thought that instills. They could bitch about Urien not coming back, but if he DID and they balanced him out to fit in the engine, they'd bitch about not being able to spam his Aegis Reflector crap and dismiss the game anyway. Shudder.

[Sagatryu]

well all expect for Zangief, Balrog and Sagat, ( Sagat might be actually smaller here then he was in Alpha and some of his offical artwork) . besides for the weird walking animation Zangief looks the same to me here as he did in Alpha games.

[tonbarry]

bison is dead and i think vega is going to come back


Maybe he'll be resurrected some way,but yeah vega's gotta be in there,with some mixed alpha characters and 3rd strike i think.Balrog looks sweet by the way,need more vids on this stuff.

[Kataklysmic]

Now HERE is an interview no one has linked yet. Watch at your leisure, and for those of you bitching about the character roster, pay VERY close attention to what he says at 3:54.

http://streetfighterblog.blogspot.com/2008/02/video-of-day-new-interview-with-ono-san.html

[SiLLiEMutAfuKA]

SAGATTT!!! YESSS!!

Muahaha man and Ono said no Balrog? Sure got us.

:karate:

[Master Chibi]

Again, how exactly does it play similarly to ST? And even if it did play like ST, why is that necessarily bad?

Because we already have ST, and ST-HD, that's why.

I was really hoping for six new characters, so chalk me into the disappointed group.

Don't get me wrong, I will likely play this game to death, but it's waaaaaay on the bottom of the list of games I'm excited and hype to play this year. All the same normals, but it's obvious the frame data associated to them will be vastly different, that's fine. Everyone has ex-moves too as well, and that's just dandy, but really now, if you keep the cast full of old characters, and you push the game like it'll play like an old classic, exactly how much will this game really develop and grow? You're still going to lariat through all the fireballs in this game as Zangief, you're still probably going to run fireball traps in the corner with the shotos (and Sagat), and while there's not a damn thing inherently wrong with that, it still isn't anything new. You're already stripping the game of what could be discovered on its own.

Of course, this all an assumption. I've got no qualms eating my own words, but I won't be holding my breath on the matter either.

[Parkreiner]

Maybe he'll be resurrected some way,but yeah vega's gotta be in there,with some mixed alpha characters and 3rd strike i think.Balrog looks sweet by the way,need more vids on this stuff.

The only reason he was able to be resurrected before is because his soul still existed. In ST, Akuma banished his soul, which means he's not coming back any time soon. Or ever.


But I guess we don't know what they could end up pulling with this game.

[NotGood]

Too bad having Boxer means no Dudley, which was a better character in every sense. Sagat is great news on the other hand, I just think it's weird that Zangief seems taller than him (and I know 'Gief was always beastly tall, still).

What I'm really digging is the backgrounds, they all look so lively and awesome so far, you can really tell they're trying to pull off another SF2 just by looking at those.

Not really, Dudley was just better looking and had better animation. Whether people prefer Dudley's mixup game or Boxer's trap throw game is up to preference.

Looking at the casino stage in SF2 and then in SF4, it's true it looks better, but it looks so much smaller as well.

The camera does pan out when characters are far away from each other, correct?

[Spoonz]

Again, how exactly does it play similarly to ST? And even if it did play like ST, why is that necessarily bad?

whats the point of ST HD then ?

[Miz]

Now HERE is an interview no one has linked yet. Watch at your leisure, and for those of you bitching about the character roster, pay VERY close attention to what he says at 3:54.

http://streetfighterblog.blogspot.com/2008/02/video-of-day-new-interview-with-ono-san.html

god damn. everytime i see an interview with ono, i feel like tying his hands down.

so, "a bunch of new characters". hopefully he'll make good on that.

[YabukiStyle]

Cool to see that Sagat's eyepatch finally doesn't magically switch eyes anymore. Excited to play Sagat. Hoping he has "the combo" (crossup short, jab, jab, uppercut/super/tk) even though it's unlikely he will. And I'm STILL waiting for a damn rekka character.

[tonbarry]

The only reason he was able to be resurrected before is because his soul still existed. In ST, Akuma banished his soul, which means he's not coming back any time soon. Or ever.


But I guess we don't know what they could end up pulling with this game.


They could always do some shit to bring him back,you're right who knows what they'll do,still so far away until this comes out,we'll see.I'd love to see him in this one tho,i'm sure others would too.

[felineki]

whats the point of ST HD then ?To give ST ugly new art? I don't know.

[Kataklysmic]

Cool to see that Sagat's eyepatch finally doesn't magically switch eyes anymore. Excited to play Sagat. Hoping he has "the combo" (crossup short, jab, jab, uppercut/super/tk) even though it's unlikely he will. And I'm STILL waiting for a damn rekka character.

What, Abel's not enough?

[Sagatryu]

when Ono said that Balrog wasn't going to be shown, he ment Claw not Boxer.

[Akutabi Gamma]

^*sLAPS head*, can't believe I didn't realize he meants Claw.
I wonder if the reason he won't add him in is cuz of the game's system revolving around countering and such (Revenge/Focus)?

[Sano]

HE GOT PAID! :lol:

Hooray for Mike Bison (Boxer) and Sagat! :pray:

[TS]

Imagine someone bitching about the new Batman movie because it has The Joker in it, instead of Killer Croc.

That's how I feel when I hear people complain about SF2 characters being in SF4. Confused, and fucking angry.

[haunts]

^^^

:rofl: good way of putting it.

[DukeJooky]

this new updated street fighter 2 game is looking pretty good. oh,what's that...this is street fighter 4? wait a second......:shake:

Lol! I thought I was the only one! Granted, this game is looking better by the day and we all know we are going to play it for better or worse....but...would it kill the designers to change Big Z out of those Speedos finally? I mean, we have had different color outfits and new moves over the many years...but it would not ruin the fundamental image of Street Fighter if everyone got a wardrobe upgrade. Seriously.

[Rhythm1c]

Imagine someone bitching about the new Batman movie because it has The Joker in it, instead of Killer Croc.

That's how I feel when I hear people complain about SF2 characters being in SF4. Confused, and fucking angry.




Who the fuck is killer croc?

[Parkreiner]

Who the fuck is killer croc?

A killer crocodile. Very dangerous.

[TS]

Thank you.
Who the fuck is killer croc?
Thank you.

[Gutter Trash]

when Ono said that Balrog wasn't going to be shown, he ment Claw not Boxer.

I presume Claw's asymmetry to be his biggest problem.

they either would have had to make his Claw change hands.
or
Make him be the only character who does not mirror his punches when he change sides, but that would probably screw up allot of things with hit boxes and confuse the hell out of players

so if Claw isn't in, I blame his asymmetry

[ArcadeFire]

Imagine someone bitching about the new Batman movie because it has The Joker in it, instead of Killer Croc.

That's how I feel when I hear people complain about SF2 characters being in SF4. Confused, and fucking angry.

+Repp for you.

[Younin]

Dude, thats awsome!!!
Oh, and i heard the creator of SF4 say something about having gouken as a secret character in that January 2008 EGM issue, can't wait to see a video of him :)

[basic]

Great news, I hope they are not actually on the roster but selectable by some code or console exclusives. This way there's be enough room for new characters and hopefully shut everyone up.

It's a shame that Vega won't be in this game, but it's obvious why since his physics is so different than the rest.

[KrsJin]

Imagine someone bitching about the new Batman movie because it has The Joker in it, instead of Killer Croc.

That's how I feel when I hear people complain about SF2 characters being in SF4. Confused, and fucking angry.

I would agree entirely, if the movesets shown weren't identical to what they've always been. If they give them even ONE new move, I'll be elated and not bitch at all.

[ArcadeFire]

Are people forgetting the Ultra Combos are "new" moves? Look at E.Honda and Zangief...

[KrsJin]

Lol we're not forgetting. I mean, any special move. Shit, any new, significant normal would be nice.

I'm SF4 fan ichiban, don't get me wrong. This is truly my only complaint I hold. Not trying to hate, just feeling discouraged that we haven't seen new moves yet. Hoping after the local test, once they get some good info, they'll go to town on the new stuff.

[glass]

Imagine someone bitching about the new Batman movie because it has The Joker in it, instead of Killer Croc.

That's how I feel when I hear people complain about SF2 characters being in SF4. Confused, and fucking angry.

the thing is Chris Nolan could make a good movie with Joker or Killer Croc. Ono isn't Chris Nolan.

[BrentoBox]

Lol we're not forgetting. I mean, any special move. Shit, any new, significant normal would be nice.

I'm SF4 fan ichiban, don't get me wrong. This is truly my only complaint I hold. Not trying to hate, just feeling discouraged that we haven't seen new moves yet. Hoping after the local test, once they get some good info, they'll go to town on the new stuff.

That is true. Specials are what give the game real depth, and in just my personal opinion, they are the absolute coolest part of the game! They are the reason I loved it when I was a kid.

I can shoot fireballs!!!
I'm charged with Electricity!!!
Look how fast I can kick!!!
SONIC BOOM!!!

[El Maniatico]

I wish they added like atleast 1 new move to everybody like they did from T5 to T5DR but at this point ill take what I can get. I want this @ tilt right now!!!

[Are_you_okay?!]

Shit that is good news, I love to use Boxer when I get my ass handed to me in SF2 =D

I just wish they modernized him just a bit, I was hoping for "Thug Life" Boxer, not "I'm black Rocky, lol" Boxer. If they did another SF movie with Boxer, they should get 50 cent to play his ass.

Sagat is cool, but wasn't unexpected to me. I figure they are playable, probably have to beat their asses first and then get them. At least Sagat doesn't have two eyepatches in game now, I can see the eye!

[Rioting Soul]

hmmm,

At a 1:00 in on the sagat video, It looks like he cancels his tiger knee and hits him with some sort of normal. Looks like a duel knee/elbow strike.
Maybe that is his focus attack :O

If saving attacks can cancel out other moves. You can do some interesting baits with that shit.

THAT'S BRUCE'S B+2 FROM DR!!! I'M GONNA BE ON THIS SHIT FOR REAL.

---------

I hope Sagat's low forward is cancellable.

Was Vega's claw a problem in SFEX? In this video, it looks like Vega's claw doesn't switch hands.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-O-fuoiiBs

[glass]

they're 3d models.. i'm not sure why switching hands or anything would be a problem. if anything they could've used that for more asymmetrical char designs.

[YabukiStyle]

What, Abel's not enough?

Well I really meant more of a traditional rekka style character (Fei, Yang) but eh I guess you're right. Abel seems more like Karin style rekka. He might fill my need for a rekka character but I'm still hoping for a more traditional (smaller and faster) rekka character.

[hubcapsignstop]

I presume Claw's asymmetry to be his biggest problem.

they either would have had to make his Claw change hands.
or
Make him be the only character who does not mirror his punches when he change sides, but that would probably screw up allot of things with hit boxes and confuse the hell out of players

so if Claw isn't in, I blame his asymmetry
that cant be it
if he was the only char that did not mirror his moves you would get crazy mismatched char to char interaction depending on which model was on what side

side specific combo type shit

[Gutter Trash]

that is what I meant by asymmetry

[hubcapsignstop]

but your suggestion is what would create the problem you are talking about

[Gutter Trash]

yeah, and then if you read my next line after that I said it would probably create problems with hit boxes and confuse the hell out of players... self recognizing that thesuggestive fix could lead to other problems

I said it in my post

[Rioting Soul]

Wait, I haven't paid attention up until this point, but don't attacks in SFIV switch positions anyway(Ryu jabs with left hand in the background on the left side, left hand in the foreground on the right)? If that's the case then why does Vega's claw matter?

Also, this shouldn't have any effect on hitboxes since the gameplay is on a 2D plane, the hitboxes don't have to actually be attached to the character. The hitboxes can be in the background.

I don't think I explained that last part correctly.

[Gojira]

Wait, I haven't paid attention up until this point, but don't attacks in SFIV switch positions anyway(Ryu jabs with left hand in the background on the left side, left hand in the foreground on the right)? If that's the case then why does Vega's claw matter?

Also, this shouldn't have any effect on hitboxes since the gameplay is on a 2D plane, the hitboxes don't have to actually be attached to the character. The hitboxes can be in the background.

I don't think I explained that last part correctly.

The problem is with the engine.

The game is not mirroring the models like a 2D game mirrors sprites; it's actually just mirroring the animation. This is why Sagat's eyepatch stays in place when he turns around.

Now think of Vega's claw the same way as Sagat's eyepatch. If he turns around, he's going to be attacking with his other arm - the one that DOESN'T have the claw on it. That's a problem.

[Dragonite]

The problem is with the engine.

The game is not mirroring the models like a 2D game mirrors sprites; it's actually just mirroring the animation. This is why Sagat's eyepatch stays in place when he turns around.

Now think of Vega's claw the same way as Sagat's eyepatch. If he turns around, he's going to be attacking with his other arm - the one that DOESN'T have the claw on it. That's a problem.

so you know how to remedy this problem right? give the dude claws on both hands :looney:

[Rioting Soul]

The problem is with the engine.

The game is not mirroring the models like a 2D game mirrors sprites; it's actually just mirroring the animation. This is why Sagat's eyepatch stays in place when he turns around.

Now think of Vega's claw the same way as Sagat's eyepatch. If he turns around, he's going to be attacking with his other arm - the one that DOESN'T have the claw on it. That's a problem.

OK, I understand now. I thought the problem was that Vega would still use the arm with the claw, which would be in the background.

Hopefully, Rolento doesn't have to worry about that. He can just put the cane in the other hand real quick.

[hubcapsignstop]

why are they mirroring?
what is the point?

[Mr. Big]

This is a real longshot, but I'm just going to throw it out there. Perhaps a reason that Boxer is in over Dudley is because (again, this is a longshot) they're putting in another refined Englishman: Eagle. :wonder:

It'd be really great, since it already has a very retro-style, that went even further with it and brought him in, or perhaps Joe or Lee. I'd say Geki as well, but there's the aforementioned (theoretical) asymmetrical claw issue. :bluu: Though I'm puzzled as to why it would be an issue in SFIV when it wasn't in the EX Series. :confused:

[Gutter Trash]

I watched the Sagat youtube vid and this what I observed on the mirroring of animations.

The 3D model is true 3D and his Eye Patch always stays on his Right Eye. So Eye patch will always be on Right Eye, and scar on chest will never flip.

The animations of his attacks do get mirrored when sides change like all the characters in the other videos.

Let's say when he is on the left side, he will always use his right leg for his standing kicks.
While he is on the right side, he will always use his left leg for his standing kicks.

So now if we talk about Vega (Claw), his claw arm is one sided and cannot be mirrored in animation using a 3D model because mirrored animations will go on the opposite limb.
You can now see the dilemma of Vega Claw in a 3D game where they are mirroring limb animations when they change sides.

to answer your question about why they flip the animations: for visual reasons.

We all see Shoryukens starting with the back exposing Ryu/Ken on contact, it's the visual signature of what we recognize visually a Shoryuken in Street Fighter.

If the moves were not the be mirrored, it would make it visually more confusing for the opponent to anticipate when reacting to a opponent's move.

Also when it comes to comboing, it's easier to combo when your character's moves are visual exact of what they always look like. To not mirror them, it may throw you off because it not looking the same, you would starting questioning your own move.

*One last edit to my post
-in the EX games: The animations are not mirrored, check the stances and attacks and you will see for yourself, the moves are not recognizable .
-Street Fighter IV: the animations are indeed mirrored. Keeping the visuals of attacks clear are defined.

[blufang]

I second the idea of giving Vega two claws....that would solve the problem.

[Kataklysmic]

I second the idea of giving Vega two claws....that would solve the problem.

YEAH! Give him retractable claws like Wolverine! That oughtta do it!!!

[hubcapsignstop]

yeah i guess i never thought of that
is it really that much of a disturbance without mirroring?
thanks

im sure if they wanted to they would figure out how to stick claw in there

[PsychoSquall]

on the subject of the cast making sf4 too much like sf2...

Name a fighting game where it's sequel 'did not' include the return of the majority of it's previous cast.

I can only think of SF2, SF3, and GarouMOTW. Maybe the last Toshinden.

In SF1, only Ryu and Ken were playable. So no problems with the transition there.
SF3 and MOTW were flops, only garnering a cult following. I love 3rd Strike as much as the next guy here, but not having most of the old-time favorites from 2 killed it's overall appeal badly. Sure, the SF3 cast grew on us eventually. But SF2 is the famous one that's engraved in most people's memory.

[Kataklysmic]

Name a fighting game where it's sequel 'did not' include the return of the majority of it's previous cast.

I can only think of SF2, SF3, and GarouMOTW. Maybe the last Toshinden.

In SF1, only Ryu and Ken were playable. So no problems with the transition there.
SF3 and MOTW were flops, only garnering a cult following. I love 3rd Strike as much as the next guy here, but not having most of the old-time favorites from 2 killed it's overall appeal badly. Sure, the SF3 cast grew on us eventually. But SF2 is the famous one that's engraved in most people's memory.

There you go. I don't think anyone's put it better.

[Helter Skelter]

the thing is Chris Nolan could make a good movie with Joker or Killer Croc. Ono isn't Chris Nolan.

Hahahahahah. That's had me laughing quite hard.
Christopher Nolan did a good job at re-imagining Gotham City and it characters. Ono hasn't.


Ok, fair enough. The majority of you guys are happy, so by default my opinion doesn't mean much to you.
However, was it that hard to do a slight re-imagining of the character?
If these characters had costume designs and movelists that were not in every other game they've been in I could be more acceptant.

The nostalgia WILL wear off and when it does it's going to be quite interesting to hear people views.

[pootnannies]

Now HERE is an interview no one has linked yet. Watch at your leisure, and for those of you bitching about the character roster, pay VERY close attention to what he says at 3:54.

http://streetfighterblog.blogspot.com/2008/02/video-of-day-new-interview-with-ono-san.html

that chicks got a purtay face! lookin' good, bitch

[Kataklysmic]

Costumes are what make the characters iconic. Fuck redesigns.

[seantree]

Costumes are what make the characters iconic. Fuck redesigns.

agreed. I don't get all the bitching. Ono's damned if he does...you know the rest.

[ArcadeFire]

besides for the weird walking animation Zangief games.

WTF how the hell is he supposed to walk then? He's a big fucking lumbering wrestler...you expect him to run?

[ruthless_nash]

:lovin: wow! that interviewer would get SMASHED

[Bass X0]

Costumes are what make the characters iconic. Fuck redesigns.

explain Terry Bogard's MotW's costume then.

[Dandy J]

explain Terry Bogard's MotW's costume then.
what does the fact that old costumes are iconic have to do with redesigns

[chunbelievable]

explain Terry Bogard's MotW's costume then.

I don't think Terry is quite as ICONIC as Ryu. Ask any at your work or school or where ever if they know what a Rising Tackle is. Then ask them if they have ever heard of Hadoken. Which do you think they will know more?

[GrappleRific]

^ That's because SF2 is infinitely more popular then FF/KoF in the US, doesn't have anything to do with Ryu or Terry being iconic. I think all the sf2 characters are iconic yes, but not really because of their designs. Some are great, some are pretty generic. Maybe cutting edge at the time, but wrestler in speedo? Karate guys in gis?

[Lebowsk1]

Blimey, I'm very impressed with that interview with Ono. This is BACK ON FOR REALZ!

[Eunos]

The game looks good IMHO

But ATM it's turning into exactly what i didnt want it to, A 3D SF2, Why can't people just move on already It's been nearly 20 Years, We're already getting that Udon SF2 remake.

I'm still keeping my fingers crossed for some Alpha/3rd Strike and maybe even More new Characters.

I will still play it none the less.

[Edpachi]

i am not even made that these to are back.. i just hope they add some more new characters. and not just bring all old characters back ( Gen would really look nice)

[Mixah]

where's claw and dictator?

[Mariodood]

To all people who are worried that this is turning into a 3D SF2..I'm worried with you.

Keep in mind though that just because there are the same characters and the same moves doesn't mean the two games will be alike. I mean if you think about it, CvS2 was almost entirely composed of recycled sprites of very old characters with no new moves. What made it fresh was the groove system and roll cancelling, and that's what's going to happen here.

Once we actually get to play the game in depth we'll end up seeing that Saving/EX attacks/How good fireballs are/How good tick throwing will determine how similar to SF2 is.

Also they definitely won't stop once they complete the cast of SF2. They want to appeal to everyone with this game, and that includes hardcore fans who want to see new charcters. There'll be more characters.

And just cuz Rog is in here doesn't mean Dudley can't. These guys literally have NOTHING in common save for their skin color and profession.

[Bass X0]

where's claw and dictator?

well one of them is dead and buried.

[Fallback]

Heres a new Youtube link from a japan location test that shows better quality video of Balrog and Sagat. Go to the midway point (6:40) of the video to see sagat and balrog.

http://jp.youtube.com/watch?v=MECLEJicmUA

and heres more: http://jp.youtube.com/user/sakiwe

[Yurinka]

Guys, you are like kids. If you play some Street Fighter, you'll see the characters are also over-musculated in the 2D games. Just in the same way, specially in the SF Alpha sprites, also used in the versus series. Or in the Capcom vs SNK sprites.

And about the roost, if you read some interview or think a bit, you'll see that will be more characters than the announced ones.

Ono said they in interviews they will have both new and returning characters.

The returning characters will be mainly from the SF2 games since they're the most popular (since the haters like you whored every big change or new character ever released when a new game was showed, specially in SFIII).

Ono also said in interviews that the new characters will feature severall girls, to balance the number of men and women in the roost.

When SF2 was released Chun was the only girl, and in these time was rare to see girls as playable characters in a fighting game, and there were only a few female videogame players. But times changed and now is so usual to see girls in fighters and there are millions of female videogames players.

See Dhalsim's sprite in SF Alpha and compare it with Dhalsim's sprite in SF2.

[Gutter Trash]

Heres a new Youtube link from a japan location test that shows better quality video of Balrog and Sagat. Go to the midway point (6:40) of the video to see sagat and balrog.

http://jp.youtube.com/watch?v=MECLEJicmUA

and heres more: http://jp.youtube.com/user/sakiwe

thanks dude!!
Boxer is massive! Too bad the player decided to skip the character intros, I really wanted to take a closer look at their faces.

His EX Dash Punch is insanely fast and full screen, that will extremely useful.


*sorry about the edit.......Boxer's Turn Punch goes through Ryu's Hadoken!!!! + Shoulder Butt...... = best of both world
Sagat's got the Tiger Genocide intact ;), but he whiffed it in this video. :(

[Rioting Soul]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=MECLEJicmUA

They gave Balrog back his Turn Punch invincibility to projectiles. I guess it made the best sense, seeing how it works so well visually in a 3D game.

EDIT: *looks one post up*

[Hatred Edge]

The stage looks pretty damn big.. Before it seemed everyone was so close to each other. Now they're more spread out. It took a couple leaps for Ryu to catch up to Guile. I like.

When Sagat yelled TIGER GENOCIDE, I wanted it to hit. Damn Ryu player...

[Ki Shima]

to be honest i cant stand the old costumes in 3d, i guess everyone except ryu and ken can kind of get away with it but im just so fucking glad its 3D, i hope they have plenty of clothes customization. ryu in a suite and shades will make me buy the arcade machine :rofl:

[Monkey Meets Tiger]

Damn! Wanted Dudley not Balrog....

Yeah me too. :(

And the prospect of being spammed by sagat high/low fireballs does not enthrall me either.

So this means there are potentially 4 more charcters on the roster. No more from SF2 please or this really will seem like a remake of SF2 and not a new game, SF4.

[Gutter Trash]

thanks the Fallback who posted the link to sakiwe's youtubes

at 04:12 of this one, you get to see Boxer's intro:
http://jp.youtube.com/watch?v=KciNEAh45GA

gotta love that USA Diner stage with the low riders, especially when Boxer appears on that stage.

[Mixah]

oh yeah..... so where's claw?

[Yamazaki35]

Heres a new Youtube link from a japan location test that shows better quality video of Balrog and Sagat. Go to the midway point (6:40) of the video to see sagat and balrog.

http://jp.youtube.com/watch?v=MECLEJicmUA

and heres more: http://jp.youtube.com/user/sakiwe

At 8:41 in the first vid there, Ryu couldn't crouch under Sagat's high tiger shot.
Which begs the question, why have a low tiger shot?

Sagat FTW.

[World Warrior]

At 8:41 in the first vid there, Ryu couldn't crouch under Sagat's high tiger shot.
Which begs the question, why have a low tiger shot?

Sagat FTW.

I think this may have been that Ryu was in the process of ducking and the Tiger Shot hit him in the middle of his crouching down animation because in the rest of the vid Ryu is able to duck under high Tiger Shots.

[P.o.t.S.]

at 04:12 of this one, you get to see Boxer's intro:
http://jp.youtube.com/watch?v=KciNEAh45GA

Some nice useage of Focus attacks going on in that one.

[Yamazaki35]

I think this may have been that Ryu was in the process of ducking and the Tiger Shot hit him in the middle of his crouching down animation because in the rest of the vid Ryu is able to duck under high Tiger Shots.

I see what you mean, he ducks under one later in the vid , my bad. I was all ready to play Sagat there for a second.

[Kataklysmic]

Nice job on Blanka's stage. They always know how to do jungles.

[DevilJin 01]

This game looks like a cross between Mortal Kombat Armageddon and Tekken 6/Dark Ressurection but without the sidesteps...

http://youtube.com/watch?v=4wi8juVfAGc&feature=related

http://youtube.com/watch?v=LJcf1aI1948&feature=related

Yup.

[Yurinka]

Nice job on Blanka's stage. They always know how to do jungles.
Ono said in SFIV the stages won't be related directly to the characters as in SF2, but some of them will be inspired by classic stages. When you fight vs the CPU the stages will be selected randomly.

[Mixah]

i don't think it looks NEARLY as clunky and crappy as mk

[TheDarkPhoenix]

Mr "I got paid" that whats up, glad to see him on. I woulda been highly upset if he wasnt. Which means vega, Bison and akuma should be next to show up.

You know what i find funny? The biggest complaint I hear about 3s is there are to many new characters. And not enough old ones. But now its to many old ones and not enough new..... I suppose he could but 4 new characters in the game but would that make it any better? Or seem all that more "new" to those who think its sf2 in "3d"

[DevilJin 01]

Mr "I got paid" that whats up, glad to see him on. I woulda been highly upset if he wasnt. Which means vega, Bison and akuma should be next to show up.

You know what i find funny? The biggest complaint I hear about 3s is there are to many new characters. And not enough old ones. But now its to many old ones and not enough new..... I suppose he could but 4 new characters in the game but would that make it any better? Or seem all that more "new" to those who think its sf2 in "3d"

People are never happy.