A 'Chilling' Hypothesis... (Space Stuff)

[white shadow]

There has always been something bothering me about the apparently hapless expansion of the universe, theorized to be onset by the appearance of the spooky phenomenon known as dark matter (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_matter). Why is it so mysterious, how can space be expanding at such an alarming rate due to a force we barely know anything about?


The Baseline

Bose-Einstein Condensate, the 5th stage of matter, in which supercooled (billionths of a degree to absolute zero) latticed atoms can behave as one super particle and defy standard effects of gravity and even permeate through solid states has also been proven to be able to slow down and even stop the speed of light to a crawl.

Shown here: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/655518.stm

After the big bang, the temperature of universe cooled rapidly due to the expansion of matter and energy, forming the 4 forces of matter- Strong, Weak, Gravity, Electromagnetism (Amusingly enough, Electricity and Magnetism used to be considered a separate force in itself.)

Billions of years later, we now have the cosmic remnant, Microwave Background Radiation (http://csep10.phys.utk.edu/astr162/lect/cosmology/cbr.html), the lowest point of energy in deep space. It is seemingly omnipresent and is basically the electronic static we receive on our household radios and other similar devices.

This background radiation is one of the factors that prevents even the deepest darkest regions of space from ever approaching absolute zero. Absolute zero is considered by physics to be impossible to achieve; because matter (which is basically energy) theoretically cannot exist at a point where there is zero energy in a system.


The Proposition

Since it has been proven that when photons/light pass through supercooled matter its speed is hindered by an extraordinary degree. With this fact in tow, inductively speaking, wouldn't this also apply in the nether-regions of space as well?

When astronomers observe the oncoming light millions to billions of years ago, they are observing photons that have passed through many mediums to get to earth. If this is true, wouldn't this distort the measuring of the distances and times that light reaches us?

With that in mind let's take a second look back at dark matter. Astronomers and astrophysicists alike both agree that to solve the caper of the "missing matter" they have to first have to try to figure out what this missing matter is and why it is even there.

Now, what in the heavens could this dark matter be? My guess, is copious amounts of quasi-supercooled condensate gas, most likely hydrogen. (Hydrogen makes up most of the matter in the known universe and is the basic form of atomic structure.)

This could be the missing factor for which astrophysicists have been seeking for, well, if it is correct.

The Application

Let us suppose that in deep space when light goes through a massive amount low density hydrogen gas atoms that it is slowed a bit. Now because of microwave background radiation there is a governor on just how low the temperature of these hydrogen atoms can be in a vacuum, so it is unlikely that light would be slowed to the degree that is was in the conducted experiments that the true Bose-Einstein condensate does. However, it would still have an affect that could appreciate over the course of light years.

Photons would experience subtle moments of slowing and speeding that would ebbing throughout it's lifespan, eventually entering our Milky Way galaxy and attaining its "natural" speed once encountering "normal space."

This means that not only could the light reaching us be older than previously predicted, but the entire universe itself might be eons older than the current scientific model! Not only that, but all the measurements about the rapidly expanding universe might be an illusory byproduct of this distortion!

If gravitational and photon altering effects of this condensate matter lenses the light on a cosmic scale (for billions of lightyears) it could mean that this expansion is really the normal steady effect accelerated by this inconsistency or that it is relative depending on the region of dark matter present.

And now for my favorite part of this whole hypothesis:

The Black Hole Illusion?!

Now science fiction buffs know the basics of black holes. It is a region in space where a collapsed star millions of times the mass of our sun reaches a state where not even the resistive forces of neutrons can prevent the infinite free-fall cause by nigh-infinite gravitational pressure.

Black holes distort space-time to such a high degree that not even light can escape the ominous descent into the singularity, an area of infinite mass but zero volume (yes, I know, it makes no sense to me either.) Visually (and I use the that loosely since black holes give off no light and is on a 4 dimensional plane) it is akin to a bathtub drain swirling a torrent of water into the pipes.

The boundary before the full effect of this gravity well is the Event Horizon or the point of no return where nothing can escape.

A popular example used as to what happens when reaching an Event Horizon is the short story of an astronaut who approaches the back hole but to his comrades starts to slow down and eventually halts completely, for an eternity. In reality he has already entered the black hole but because of the skewed space near the horizon he's frozen in observable space, gone forever.

But what if light never reaches the black hole at all? What if the black hole does have a visible form but it gets hidden by the gravity cloak it creates?!

Black holes break the normal grounds on what is feasible behavior in space, perhaps to an extent where the laws of thermodynamics doesn't even exist in their separate pocket of the universe?! If the journey between the event horizon and the singularity is a region where time and space isn't affected by the external cosmic background radiation properties this means space is now a zero energy state system!

Now let's rewind.... If light is now approaching a black hole which behaves in this manner I proposed then light doesn't actually enter the hole but is frozen to a standstill! Since light slows down when encountering condensate the matter entering the black prior before encountering the singularity thereby has no temperature and exists beyond the normal rules of matter entirely!

The singularity can, in essence, function as a super particle because the region of space it exists functions in a zero energy state system where normal rules of thermodynamics do not apply.

The "Big Bang"

The Big Bang singularity was created at a point of zero volume, and had seemingly infinite mass and energy. Before it, space and time didn't exist and there is no way to trace back to a time of preexistence, according to physics.

I always wondered how a singularity like this existed with so much power and not give off any heat or light into the "void" that it resided prior to exploding? Why did did matter defeat antimatter in it's early formation and what predestined rules guided this? Did it depend on the type of matter entering a black hole in another universe/dimension?

If Bose-Einstein Condensate (BEC) behaves as a superparticle in a low temperature state, and if matter had a venue in which to reach a zero state wouldn't it also behave as a singularity- a unified particle that exists in point of zero volume and infinite density?





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*Note: This is all conjecture based upon me trying to rationalize the concepts of the current scientific models, but I feel that even without my complete mathematical knowledge of the science behind these theories that healthy hypothesizing is the key to getting to the truth of ourselves and the reality we dwell therein.*

[Higher-Jin]

Unpossible

[iwst99]

There has always been something bothering me about the apparently hapless expansion of the universe, theorized to be onset by the appearance of the spooky phenomenon known as dark matter (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_matter). Why is it so mysterious, how can space be expanding at such an alarming rate due to a force we barely know anything about?


The Baseline

Bose-Einstein Condensate, the 5th stage of matter, in which supercooled (billionths of a degree to absolute zero) latticed atoms can behave as one super particle and defy standard effects of gravity and even permeate through solid states has also been proven to be able to slow down and even stop the speed of light to a crawl.

Shown here: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/655518.stm

After the big bang, the temperature of universe cooled rapidly due to the expansion of matter and energy, forming the 4 forces of matter- Strong, Weak, Gravity, Electromagnetism (Amusingly enough, Electricity and Magnetism used to be considered a separate force in itself.)

Billions of years later, we now have the cosmic remnant, Microwave Background Radiation (http://csep10.phys.utk.edu/astr162/lect/cosmology/cbr.html), the lowest point of energy in deep space. It is seemingly omnipresent and is basically the electronic static we receive on our household radios and other similar devices.

This background radiation is one of the factors that prevents even the deepest darkest regions of space from ever approaching absolute zero. Absolute zero is considered by physics to be impossible to achieve; because matter (which is basically energy) theoretically cannot exist at a point where there is zero energy in a system.


The Proposition

Since it has been proven that when photons/light pass through supercooled matter its speed is hindered by an extraordinary degree. With this fact in tow, inductively speaking, wouldn't this also apply in the nether-regions of space as well?

When astronomers observe the oncoming light millions to billions of years ago, they are observing photons that have passed through many mediums to get to earth. If this is true, wouldn't this distort the measuring of the distances and times that light reaches us?

With that in mind let's take a second look back at dark matter. Astronomers and astrophysicists alike both agree that to solve the caper of the "missing matter" they have to first have to try to figure out what this missing matter is and why it is even there.

Now, what in the heavens could this dark matter be? My guess, is copious amounts of quasi-supercooled condensate gas, most likely hydrogen. (Hydrogen makes up most of the matter in the known universe and is the basic form of atomic structure.)

This could be the missing factor for which astrophysicists have been seeking for, well, if it is correct.

The Application

Let us suppose that in deep space when light goes through a massive amount low density hydrogen gas atoms that it is slowed a bit. Now because of microwave background radiation there is a governor on just how low the temperature of these hydrogen atoms can be in a vacuum, so it is unlikely that light would be slowed to the degree that is was in the conducted experiments that the true Bose-Einstein condensate does. However, it would still have an affect that could appreciate over the course of light years.

Photons would experience subtle moments of slowing and speeding that would ebbing throughout it's lifespan, eventually entering our Milky Way galaxy and attaining its "natural" speed once encountering "normal space."

This means that not only could the light reaching us be older than previously predicted, but the entire universe itself might be eons older than the current scientific model! Not only that, but all the measurements about the rapidly expanding universe might be an illusory byproduct of this distortion!

If gravitational and photon altering effects of this condensate matter lenses the light on a cosmic scale (for billions of lightyears) it could mean that this expansion is really the normal steady effect accelerated by this inconsistency or that it is relative depending on the region of dark matter present.

And now for my favorite part of this whole hypothesis:

The Black Hole Illusion?!

Now science fiction buffs know the basics of black holes. It is a region in space where a collapsed star millions of times the mass of our sun reaches a state where not even the resistive forces of neutrons can prevent the infinite free-fall cause by nigh-infinite gravitational pressure.

Black holes distort space-time to such a high degree that not even light can escape the ominous descent into the singularity, an area of infinite mass but zero volume (yes, I know, it makes no sense to me either.) Visually (and I use the that loosely since black holes give off no light and is on a 4 dimensional plane) it is akin to a bathtub drain swirling a torrent of water into the pipes.

The boundary before the full effect of this gravity well is the Event Horizon or the point of no return where nothing can escape.

A popular example used as to what happens when reaching an Event Horizon is the short story of an astronaut who approaches the back hole but to his comrades starts to slow down and eventually halts completely, for an eternity. In reality he has already entered the black hole but because of the skewed space near the horizon he's frozen in observable space, gone forever.

But what if light never reaches the black hole at all? What if the black hole does have a visible form but it gets hidden by the gravity cloak it creates?!

Black holes break the normal grounds on what is feasible behavior in space, perhaps to an extent where the laws of thermodynamics doesn't even exist in their separate pocket of the universe?! If the journey between the event horizon and the singularity is a region where time and space isn't affected by the external cosmic background radiation properties this means space is now a zero energy state system!

Now let's rewind.... If light is now approaching a black hole which behaves in this manner I proposed then light doesn't actually enter the hole but is frozen to a standstill! Since light slows down when encountering condensate the matter entering the black prior before encountering the singularity thereby has no temperature and exists beyond the normal rules of matter entirely!

The singularity can, in essence, function as a super particle because the region of space it exists functions in a zero energy state system where normal rules of thermodynamics do not apply.

The "Big Bang"

The Big Bang singularity was created at a point of zero volume, and had seemingly infinite mass and energy. Before it, space and time didn't exist and there is no way to trace back to a time of preexistence, according to physics.

I always wondered how a singularity like this existed with so much power and not give off any heat or light into the "void" that it resided prior to exploding? Why did did matter defeat antimatter in it's early formation and what predestined rules guided this? Did it depend on the type of matter entering a black hole in another universe/dimension?

If Bose-Einstein Condensate (BEC) behaves as a superparticle in a low temperature state, and if matter had a venue in which to reach a zero state wouldn't it also behave as a singularity- a unified particle that exists in point of zero volume and infinite density?





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*Note: This is all conjecture based upon me trying to rationalize the concepts of the current scientific models, but I feel that even without my complete mathematical knowledge of the science behind these theories that healthy hypothesizing is the key to getting to the truth of ourselves and the reality we dwell therein.*

Scrub.

[pherai]

It's interesting as you learn physics you see what things are taught to you are essentially lies (that matter and energy are different things) but you kind of have to come to conclusions the same way the people discovered them did. Stuff like this is always a good read :tup:

[blooper]

There has always been something bothering me about the apparently hapless expansion of the universe, theorized to be onset by the appearance of the spooky phenomenon known as dark matter (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_matter). Why is it so mysterious, how can space be expanding at such an alarming rate due to a force we barely know anything about?


The Baseline

Bose-Einstein Condensate, the 5th stage of matter, in which supercooled (billionths of a degree to absolute zero) latticed atoms can behave as one super particle and defy standard effects of gravity and even permeate through solid states has also been proven to be able to slow down and even stop the speed of light to a crawl.

Shown here: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/655518.stm

After the big bang, the temperature of universe cooled rapidly due to the expansion of matter and energy, forming the 4 forces of matter- Strong, Weak, Gravity, Electromagnetism (Amusingly enough, Electricity and Magnetism used to be considered a separate force in itself.)

Billions of years later, we now have the cosmic remnant, Microwave Background Radiation (http://csep10.phys.utk.edu/astr162/lect/cosmology/cbr.html), the lowest point of energy in deep space. It is seemingly omnipresent and is basically the electronic static we receive on our household radios and other similar devices.

This background radiation is one of the factors that prevents even the deepest darkest regions of space from ever approaching absolute zero. Absolute zero is considered by physics to be impossible to achieve; because matter (which is basically energy) theoretically cannot exist at a point where there is zero energy in a system.


The Proposition

Since it has been proven that when photons/light pass through supercooled matter its speed is hindered by an extraordinary degree. With this fact in tow, inductively speaking, wouldn't this also apply in the nether-regions of space as well?

When astronomers observe the oncoming light millions to billions of years ago, they are observing photons that have passed through many mediums to get to earth. If this is true, wouldn't this distort the measuring of the distances and times that light reaches us?

With that in mind let's take a second look back at dark matter. Astronomers and astrophysicists alike both agree that to solve the caper of the "missing matter" they have to first have to try to figure out what this missing matter is and why it is even there.

Now, what in the heavens could this dark matter be? My guess, is copious amounts of quasi-supercooled condensate gas, most likely hydrogen. (Hydrogen makes up most of the matter in the known universe and is the basic form of atomic structure.)

This could be the missing factor for which astrophysicists have been seeking for, well, if it is correct.

The Application

Let us suppose that in deep space when light goes through a massive amount low density hydrogen gas atoms that it is slowed a bit. Now because of microwave background radiation there is a governor on just how low the temperature of these hydrogen atoms can be in a vacuum, so it is unlikely that light would be slowed to the degree that is was in the conducted experiments that the true Bose-Einstein condensate does. However, it would still have an affect that could appreciate over the course of light years.

Photons would experience subtle moments of slowing and speeding that would ebbing throughout it's lifespan, eventually entering our Milky Way galaxy and attaining its "natural" speed once encountering "normal space."

This means that not only could the light reaching us be older than previously predicted, but the entire universe itself might be eons older than the current scientific model! Not only that, but all the measurements about the rapidly expanding universe might be an illusory byproduct of this distortion!

If gravitational and photon altering effects of this condensate matter lenses the light on a cosmic scale (for billions of lightyears) it could mean that this expansion is really the normal steady effect accelerated by this inconsistency or that it is relative depending on the region of dark matter present.

And now for my favorite part of this whole hypothesis:

The Black Hole Illusion?!

Now science fiction buffs know the basics of black holes. It is a region in space where a collapsed star millions of times the mass of our sun reaches a state where not even the resistive forces of neutrons can prevent the infinite free-fall cause by nigh-infinite gravitational pressure.

Black holes distort space-time to such a high degree that not even light can escape the ominous descent into the singularity, an area of infinite mass but zero volume (yes, I know, it makes no sense to me either.) Visually (and I use the that loosely since black holes give off no light and is on a 4 dimensional plane) it is akin to a bathtub drain swirling a torrent of water into the pipes.

The boundary before the full effect of this gravity well is the Event Horizon or the point of no return where nothing can escape.

A popular example used as to what happens when reaching an Event Horizon is the short story of an astronaut who approaches the back hole but to his comrades starts to slow down and eventually halts completely, for an eternity. In reality he has already entered the black hole but because of the skewed space near the horizon he's frozen in observable space, gone forever.

But what if light never reaches the black hole at all? What if the black hole does have a visible form but it gets hidden by the gravity cloak it creates?!

Black holes break the normal grounds on what is feasible behavior in space, perhaps to an extent where the laws of thermodynamics doesn't even exist in their separate pocket of the universe?! If the journey between the event horizon and the singularity is a region where time and space isn't affected by the external cosmic background radiation properties this means space is now a zero energy state system!

Now let's rewind.... If light is now approaching a black hole which behaves in this manner I proposed then light doesn't actually enter the hole but is frozen to a standstill! Since light slows down when encountering condensate the matter entering the black prior before encountering the singularity thereby has no temperature and exists beyond the normal rules of matter entirely!

The singularity can, in essence, function as a super particle because the region of space it exists functions in a zero energy state system where normal rules of thermodynamics do not apply.

The "Big Bang"

The Big Bang singularity was created at a point of zero volume, and had seemingly infinite mass and energy. Before it, space and time didn't exist and there is no way to trace back to a time of preexistence, according to physics.

I always wondered how a singularity like this existed with so much power and not give off any heat or light into the "void" that it resided prior to exploding? Why did did matter defeat antimatter in it's early formation and what predestined rules guided this? Did it depend on the type of matter entering a black hole in another universe/dimension?

If Bose-Einstein Condensate (BEC) behaves as a superparticle in a low temperature state, and if matter had a venue in which to reach a zero state wouldn't it also behave as a singularity- a unified particle that exists in point of zero volume and infinite density?





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*Note: This is all conjecture based upon me trying to rationalize the concepts of the current scientific models, but I feel that even without my complete mathematical knowledge of the science behind these theories that healthy hypothesizing is the key to getting to the truth of ourselves and the reality we dwell therein.*

lol @ quoting large bodies of text and responding with nothing relevant or contributing to the topic... i didnt even read the post!:rofl:

[DaDesiCanadian]

snip*

What's really fun is that you're suggesting that the Universe might be much older than we ever though possible. Assuming the oldest sources of light we know right now have in fact passed through these mediums(which is highly probably), then the universe could be a 100 trillion times older than we thought. :rofl:

[orochizoolander]

The "Big Bang"

The Big Bang singularity was created at a point of zero volume, and had seemingly infinite mass and energy. Before it, space and time didn't exist and there is no way to trace back to a time of preexistence, according to physics.

0 zolume but infinite mass?...am I missing something?

Are there any theories on any methods to trace back to before the big bang? that would be mind blowing.

I [always wondered how a singularity like this existed with so much power and not give off any heat or light into the "void" that it resided prior to exploding? Why did did matter defeat antimatter in it's early formation and what predestined rules guided this? Did it depend on the type of matter entering a black hole in another universe/dimension?

Would you mind clarifying on that a bit more i'm not following lol.

II [f Bose-Einstein Condensate (BEC) behaves as a superparticle in a low temperature state, and if matter had a venue in which to reach a zero state wouldn't it also behave as a singularity- a unified particle that exists in point of zero volume and infinite density?
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*Note: This is all conjecture based upon me trying to rationalize the concepts of the current scientific models, but I feel that even without my complete mathematical knowledge of the science behind these theories that healthy hypothesizing is the key to getting to the truth of ourselves and the reality we dwell therein.*

Correct me me if i'm wrong but isn't that already called a bosenova?

Great read:tup:

[Wild Kitty]

Interesting theory... but what does it all MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN?

[DaDesiCanadian]

If Bose-Einstein Condensate (BEC) behaves as a superparticle in a low temperature state, and if matter had a venue in which to reach a zero state wouldn't it also behave as a singularity- a unified particle that exists in point of zero volume and infinite density?



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What exactly are you asking/talking about here? Are you suggesting that BEC should behave or exhibit similar characteristics as a black hole? The point is that we can't/don't know how to get matter into a zero state. BEC is as close as we've got so far.

[pherai]

0 zolume but infinite mass?...am I missing something?

Are there any theories on any methods to trace back to before the big bang? that would be mind blowing.


It should be kind of counter intuitive, but the idea behind black holes is they have a gravitational pull approaching infinity. The force of gravity if inversely proportional to the square of the distance from a mass, so the more concentrated mass is, the greater the maximum gravitational force will be. People tend to think of black holes as voids, but they are all just super concentrated celestial bodies, similar to a planet or star, and since they have such enormous gravitational pull, they can become quite massive, with virtually infinite mass. For the purposes of calculations, it can be treated as infinity, but it isn't really, and there are black holes of varying masses as far as I know.

[Septimus Prime]

When astronomers observe the oncoming light millions to billions of years ago, they are observing photons that have passed through many mediums to get to earth. If this is true, wouldn't this distort the measuring of the distances and times that light reaches us?
No. How we measure the distance for this light is not through conventional methods (because we don't have a million years to sit around to wait to confirm that the distance is a million light years). What we do is we measure the red shift in the wavelength of this light and then extrapolate the distance through calculations made from that. Because of this, the time it takes for the light to actually reach us is irrelevant because what we are measuring is distance and not velocity. That is, unless the cold regions of the universe somehow slow down the expansion of the universe itself.

Also, the plural form of "medium" is "media."

[Bastion]

Isn't there great debate whether the big bang ever existed? How does that effect the theory you describe?

[Bernard]

Bunch O' Crap*

The cat is fucking in the box and is mother fuking dead! Deal with it!

[Duck Strong]

It should be kind of counter intuitive, but the idea behind black holes is they have a gravitational pull approaching infinity. The force of gravity if inversely proportional to the square of the distance from a mass, so the more concentrated mass is, the greater the maximum gravitational force will be. People tend to think of black holes as voids, but they are all just super concentrated celestial bodies, similar to a planet or star, and since they have such enormous gravitational pull, they can become quite massive, with virtually infinite mass. For the purposes of calculations, it can be treated as infinity, but it isn't really, and there are black holes of varying masses as far as I know.

So if a black hole is continually adding to its mass and consequently increasing its near infinite gravitational pull. Wouldn't that mean that such a phenomenon would enventually engulf all matter?


No. How we measure the distance for this light is not through conventional methods (because we don't have a million years to sit around to wait to confirm that the distance is a million light years). What we do is we measure the red shift in the wavelength of this light and then extrapolate the distance through calculations made from that. Because of this, the time it takes for the light to actually reach us is irrelevant because what we are measuring is distance and not velocity. That is, unless the cold regions of the universe somehow slow down the expansion of the universe itself.

Also, the plural form of "medium" is "media."

Doesn't that assume that the speed of light is constant though? The whole point is that in certain circumstances, it isn't.

[white shadow]

Are there any theories on any methods to trace back to before the big bang? that would be mind blowing.

Nothing solid because of physical limitations, but there are some random theories about. I think I need to read up on them myself.

I

Would you mind clarifying on that a bit more i'm not following lol.

Antimatter is matter made up of anti-elementary particles (positron aka anti-electron, anti-proton, etc...) which are exact opposites of standard matter. Although visually their properties wouldn't be different from ordinary matter the fact that they are opposite in composition causes them to violently explode when in contact with matter, giving a energy yield of 100%!

When the Big Bang occurred, for some unknown reason there was more matter than antimatter, and after a series of unimaginable bombastic explosions, matter defeated antimatter and became the chief form of matter in the cosmos.

If it was true that our big Bang occurred from a black hole singularity of condensate then it is possible that the amount or type of matter preceding it may have some effect on who becomes the victor when it explodes, matter or antimatter.


II

Correct me me if i'm wrong but isn't that already called a bosenova?

Great read:tup:

Ah it's great you brought that up. A Bosenova is almost what I'm proposing, but it is still different for one key reason, it cannot reach absolute zero because it exists under special conditions in "regular space."

*Notice how a bosenova still gives off energy and volatile reactions even though it is under extremely low temperature conditions.

Interesting theory... but what does it all MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN?

It would mean much of the static theories that don't cover some holes in big bang and expansion models are not correct, and thus, need to be revised.

What exactly are you asking/talking about here? Are you suggesting that BEC should behave or exhibit similar characteristics as a black hole? The point is that we can't/don't know how to get matter into a zero state. BEC is as close as we've got so far.

Precisely, it can't. This is why I said:

Black holes break the normal grounds on what is feasible behavior in space, perhaps to an extent where the laws of thermodynamics doesn't even exist in their separate pocket of the universe?! If the journey between the event horizon and the singularity is a region where time and space isn't affected by the external cosmic background radiation properties this means space is now a zero energy state system!


Basically, this means that a black hole can create the perfect breeding ground for a BEC singularity, or rather, that the BEC itself works in concert with the immense gravity to create this singularity, since it is unified during this journey towards the gravity singularity.

No. How we measure the distance for this light is not through conventional methods (because we don't have a million years to sit around to wait to confirm that the distance is a million light years). What we do is we measure the red shift in the wavelength of this light and then extrapolate the distance through calculations made from that. Because of this, the time it takes for the light to actually reach us is irrelevant because what we are measuring is distance and not velocity. That is, unless the cold regions of the universe somehow slow down the expansion of the universe itself.

I know about the red shift, blue shift principles. I know that a light year measures distance, not time. However, the light still has to reach us to be recorded and analyzed. If the quanta is delayed in some fashion then the time *not distance* will be incorrect. This irregularity would cause problems in the grand scheme of things.


Also, the plural form of "medium" is "media."

Actually, it can be both. I've never heard group of psychics referred to as, "A trio of media" before.


Thanks for the queries gentlemen.

[pherai]

So if a black hole is continually adding to its mass and consequently increasing its near infinite gravitational pull. Wouldn't that mean that such a phenomenon would enventually engulf all matter?

Yes. I may be mistaken, but I think that's the idea behind the oscillating theory of the universe (cyclical 'big bangs' and everything turning back into 1 black hole).

[thekidfromLBC]

Ok Im too fucking lazy to read the whole damn thing..... So someone explain it to me in a nutshell...:rofl:

[Weeks]

The cat is fucking in the box and is mother fuking dead! Deal with it!

.....

[Mario Lemieux!]

enough of your borax poindexter, we need action!!

BANG! BANG!

take that you lousy dimension!!

[Murt!]

tl;dr

[1]

tl;dr

I came in, read and was all. . . (http://i31.tinypic.com/of27ux.gif)


But really, interesting stuff WS. How have you become so knowledgeable in space stuff? I find it interesting and would like to know more but I don't know where to start. Suggested readings maybe?

[white shadow]

I came in, read and was all. . . (http://i31.tinypic.com/of27ux.gif)


But really, interesting stuff WS. How have you become so knowledgeable in space stuff? I find it interesting and would like to know more but I don't know where to start. Suggested readings maybe?

All though slightly outdated "A Brief History of Time" by Stephen Hawking is a nice introduction to all things "spacey."

Michio Kaku's Einstein's Cosmos (http://www.eruditor.com/exec/books/item/9780753819043.html.en?currency=USD) is also a nice read. He presents very interesting theories on time travel and worm holes.

Last but not least, the charismatic Neil DeGrasse-Tyson, his book, Death By Black Hole And Other Cosmic Quandaries (http://www.eruditor.com/books/item/9780393330168.html.en) depicts what theoretically happens if person fell into a black hole and the physiological and psychological responses involved.

These three are popular because they illustrate abstract and complex phenomena in a clear and concise way for the laymen.

[scum gale 88]

So if a black hole is continually adding to its mass and consequently increasing its near infinite gravitational pull. Wouldn't that mean that such a phenomenon would enventually engulf all matter?


what exactly is the range that a black hole can suck in matter? millions of miles? billions of miles? with gravity that powerful (possibly over 9000, scientists arent completely certain) would it just absorb everything in a certain radius and then stop (or just not expand and sit there and do nothing if that particular area of space was empty)???

[white shadow]

what exactly is the range that a black hole can suck in matter? millions of miles? billions of miles? with gravity that powerful (possibly over 9000, scientists arent completely certain) would it just absorb everything in a certain radius and then stop (or just not expand and sit there and do nothing if that particular area of space was empty)???

It is very isolated, considering its immense mass. Most of a black hole's gravitational pull is relegated near the event horizon. In fact, if a black hole was to cross the vicinity of our solar system we would not even notice its presence. (Who knows, one might've passed by ages ago without us knowing.)

Now most organized spiral, elliptical, and barred spiral galaxies have a supermassive black hole billions of solar masses near the center. These are theorized to either be progenitors of galaxies or the result of galaxies forming (chicken or the egg adage is appropriate here).

To be forthright, black holes aren't the scary monsters depicted in science fiction novels, they are quite stable unless encountering significant amounts of matter while careening through space. For instance, if one was able to place the earth outside a safe perimeter near a black hole it wouldn't get sucked in, only orbit just like how the earth orbits the sun. A black hole needs to be directly involved with matter to cause a disturbance.

According to Hawking, black holes actually lose mass over time due to virtual particle pairings, but yeah I'm not even going down that rabbit hole...