Kid Commits Suicide at School

[youngcipher]

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,335673,00.html

:shake:

The fact that kids are still bringing guns to school is crazy....

[9TNine]

Jeremy spoke in... cla~ss todaaaaaaaaaaayyyy </pearl jam>

-9

[Spirit Juice]

How could this happen to meeeeee?

[Night]

Schools should be patrolled by ED-209s that detect whenever anyone brings a weapon on campus. If that can't done, every square yard should be fitted like a grid where a security cannon would pop up right in front of a person who's armed with anything when any weapon is detected and tell him he has 20 seconds to drop his weapon or it shoots.

[The Epidemic]

how come these schools dont have metal detectors? when i was in HS we had them...

[Satomiblood]

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,335673,00.html

:shake:

The fact that kids are still bringing guns to school is crazy....

Lol, what, you were actually thinking it would someday stop?

[Zal]

any one for gun control??

[Netology]

lol not everyone likes their class,

he's just re-rolling

[scum gale 88]

Schools should be patrolled by ED-209s that detect whenever anyone brings a weapon on campus. If that can't done, every square yard should be fitted like a grid where a security cannon would pop up right in front of a person who's armed with anything when any weapon is detected and tell him he has 20 seconds to drop his weapon or it shoots.

that usually doesnt end well though.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=o0kWgcIlWn0

[Night]

that usually doesnt end well though.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=o0kWgcIlWn0

It's just a glitch.

[gridman]

Someone actually tried to commit suicide at my school (private catholic high school). Some weirdo kid who talks to himself. He tried to hang himself in the bathroom with his belt, didnt work, went to nurse, goes home, in school the next day. WHAT

[BaSiK_TeKniK]

ummm duh. niggas bring guns tp my school everyday. and im not kidding

[umthrfkr]

[Flexes Arms] I almost got suspended for bringing these guns to school [/Flexes Arms]

[Oroman]

[Flexes Arms] I almost got suspended for bringing these guns to school [/Flexes Arms]

I bet things went like this then:

Security: Put the guns down and put your hands behind your back!

You: I can't!

[!WB!]

Jeremy spoke in... cla~ss todaaaaaaaaaaayyyy </pearl jam>

-9
Damnit, you beat me to it.
Whaooooooooooo-ooooooooh-oh-ohohohohohohohohohohohhhhhhhh-
Whaooooooooooo-ooooooooh-oh...yeahyeahyeahyeahyeahyeahyeah.

[The Grey Area]

I can only pray for the family. That is a hard choice to make. I can't fault him but I can only imagine the toll that it will take on the people who cared about him.

This is sad.


I suppose with that said, everyone else can go ahead with the worthless dick flexing and jack-assery. Oh, don't forget the manly apathy and razor wit.

[final_cut]

that usually doesnt end well though.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=o0kWgcIlWn0

HOW COME NOBODY EVER TOLD ME MARK "Bulletball" GRIFFIN WAS IN ROBOCOP!?!?!?

[DropOff]

Kid was selfish. "I WANNA FUCK UP AS MANY PEOPLES LIVES AS POSSIBLE WHEN I GO OUT, THEN THEY'LL LEARN"

[OrangeCat]

[Flexes Arms] I almost got suspended for bringing these guns to school [/Flexes Arms]
I got my tickets to the gun show.

OC

[goodm0urning]

Sucks. High school kids don't realize how much life changes once they get out.



And he shouldn't have robbed the Dairy Queen.

[pherai]

Sucks. High school kids don't realize how much life changes once they get out.

It just gets harder imo. If you aren't happy in high school, you won't be happy working for a living.

[The Epidemic]

^huh? thats just plain dumb...but u did say its ur opinion soooo.....

[pherai]

I've just never understood what makes high school so much worse than the rest of life.

[goodm0urning]

I've just never understood what makes high school so much worse than the rest of life.You probably didn't have a very rough time in high school. But some people do.

When you get out, certain things that mattered inside stop mattering, and the power structure is completely different.

[gl0ry]

Jeremy spoke in... cla~ss todaaaaaaaaaaayyyy </pearl jam>

-9

man you beat me to it :sad:

[sealhunta]

i am finding real life harder than school becuz in school they pamper you and u have an exscuse for not being employed


You probably didn't have a very rough time in high school. But some people do.

When you get out, certain things that mattered inside stop mattering, and the power structure is completely different.

that reminds me of the tv show "popular"


i just foudn out this guy, didnt kill anyone else, i would give him more props for not killing anyone but he still was disturbing the peace. If he just killed himself in the privacy of his own home then i could respect him and feel abd for him but NOPE

[pherai]

Maybe its just my high school, but there wasn't even any sort of 'power structure.' I see more of a power structure in a workplace because they can actually hold something over you. I think the desire to be liked or popular is more of a personal problem than an environment problem. I'd be interested to hear about real experiences.

[ckrazy]

No disrespect to the south but damn seem like 75% of the stories (bad one or unfortunate events) come from the south.

[TS]

Jeremy spoke in... cla~ss todaaaaaaaaaaayyyy </pearl jam>

-9
Random question, does anybody else hate Pearl Jam?

[Capn Spanky]

Maybe its just my high school, but there wasn't even any sort of 'power structure.' I see more of a power structure in a workplace because they can actually hold something over you. I think the desire to be liked or popular is more of a personal problem than an environment problem. I'd be interested to hear about real experiences.

My school is very chill about the social classes. My senior class is really tight and stuff. It's chill. You can really spot the kids that have tried to kill themselves.

I'm a bit nervous about life after school. School is pretty smooth, so I'm thinking life is gonna punch me hard in the face.

Though really, I think suicide is quite a selfish act. Doing it in the privacy of your own home or right in the school gym hardly makes a difference. That's one of the problems with society today. Where the heck has the value of human life gone?

[axeman61]

Maybe he was on his Last Stand.

[Weeks]

Random question, does anybody else hate Pearl Jam?

I do, with a passion

[blooper]

its all that emo musics fault!

[Biolink]

how come these schools dont have metal detectors? when i was in HS we had them...

In Chicago,every High School that I've been too in the city has metal detectors.Suburban High School's however are the exception.

[Wild Kitty]

Where the heck has the value of human life gone?

Human life has never had any value, we're just slowly starting to realize it. That's the only difference. As long as there's someone willing to fuck and propogate the species, we really don't need you.

[Capn Spanky]

Human life has never had any value, we're just slowly starting to realize it. That's the only difference. As long as there's someone willing to fuck and propogate the species, we really don't need you.

I beg to differ. I think human life has always had value, but as it is with money, alot of people don't care simply because it Isn't theirs. Who knows what this kid could have become if he had gotten some help instead of a pistol.

[fishjie]

high school is all about being cool and fitting in and all that noise. kids are so concerned with looking cool that they blow it completely out of proportion and get depressed over trivial shit. in college, none of that matters anymore. unless you join a frat or something.

[majeh]

ugh.. come on with this school shooting/suicide/bomb threat/sex scandal/captain crunch nonsense.

[KnightWarrior]

Wow, that's sad

[Netology]

ppl die anyway lol u guys act like they naturally live forever

[felineki]

any one for gun control??In America? Good luck!:rofl:

[TheSix]

Damn.

And they still making them go back to school tomorrow.

[Murt!]

In middle school I saw a dude take out a knife...I called the anonymous hotline on his ass and never saw him again :rofl:

[yah yaahh b*tch!]

Nothings ever that bad that you have to kill yourself. Especially in grade school.


GOOD FUCKIN RIDDANCE.


What the fuck are parents teaching these weak ass moronic kids these days? When youre sad give up and pull the trigger? Jesus CHRIST.:rolleyes:

[Phoenix Wright]

If he didn't have a gun, he'd have thrown himself off the roof. I hate it when pwoplw bring up gun control for every gun-related tragedy.

It's unfortunate that he had to die, but it was either death or jail. Why in front of 150 kids is a mystery to me.

[yah yaahh b*tch!]

Yeah thats so corny.

If youre gonna commit suicide .. by all means go for it. But to drag other people into it with you is just ridiculous as hell, and watching someone take their own life can be traumatizing.

Its selfish too.

PEACE OUT!!!

[Netology]

selfish would be doing it by yourself...

since when is sharing an experience selfish?


and since when does selfishness set things apart? every action has some selfishness in it...

[Murt!]

Nothings ever that bad that you have to kill yourself. Especially in grade school.


GOOD FUCKIN RIDDANCE.


What the fuck are parents teaching these weak ass moronic kids these days? When youre sad give up and pull the trigger? Jesus CHRIST.:rolleyes:

Shut the fuck up. Grade school or not you have no idea what was going through that kid's mind or if he had unresolved mental or emotional problems.

[Netology]

why the hell does something bad have to happen for someone to commit suicide?


why can't it be something like Kirilov's dilemma?

[Psycho-Lops]

Wow, this is a crazy coincidence. I saw the title said Alabama and i thought is was referring to my old high school, Hoover High. A sophomore killed himself 2 weeks ago. Students were allowed to get out of class to go to the kid's memorial service, and his closest friends got pissed the fuck off at 90% of the people who went, because many of them did it to get out of class and had no real ties with the student at all.
"You didn't care then why the fuck do you care now" "You're too late to try to be his friend" were along the lines of what they said in justification.

[yah yaahh b*tch!]

Shut the fuck up. Grade school or not you have no idea what was going through that kid's mind or if he had unresolved mental or emotional problems.

Oh yea, every angst ridden teen is justified the act of suicide by claiming that they all have serious emotional and psychological problems.

Save yourself.:rolleyes:

Every single one of us has at one point though about killing ourselves but most of us never actually attempt to do it. Even if they DID, these things dont develop overnight. You have to be in a state of mind to kill yourself and one single event usually isnt enough to send you over the edge.



I dont have mercy for people who take their lives. Cut n dry. Plain n simple. People are fighting for their lives everyday, some have lost the battle but went down fighting, and then you just feel like its all a loss so you blow your head off?

PEACE OUT!!!! See you later alligator!

[yah yaahh b*tch!]

selfish would be doing it by yourself...

since when is sharing an experience selfish?


and since when does selfishness set things apart? every action has some selfishness in it...

Selfish in the respect that if you were going to kill yourself you could do it away from the entire class body who would most definitely be subjected to some kind of psychological shock. They didnt ask to see that shit.


Youre getting deeper than need be, dude.

[Spirit Juice]

Well, this kid did get charged for a robbery at some local Dairy Queen. Based on that, it sounds like he was an asshole more than an emotionally wrecked student. I mean, he was only eighteen... so he had like, what, only a few more months left in high school?

[Superking]

that usually doesnt end well though.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=o0kWgcIlWn0

Don't worry, stairs own it just as well as they own women.

[Airthrow]

It just gets harder imo. If you aren't happy in high school, you won't be happy working for a living.

I was miserable in high school because I was a city kid going to school with a bunch of racist smalltown douches. Then I actually graduated, got laid for the first time, got a car, got more friends, etc.

The sad part about kids commiting suicide in highschool is that in the real world you can manage your own destiny to a larger degree and assholes can't bother you as much.

[maxx]

I've just never understood what makes high school so much worse than the rest of life.

its the feeling of being accepted. in high school you get judged on everything...i feel high school scrutinizes far more than college or real life. clicks exist on bigger colleges but they are far more accepting of people than high school.

i mean in high school i was asked if i was white cause i wore rocker pants and listened to more rock music. no ones gonna ask if ur white in college or real life..its just people accept thats ur preference. black people tend to be almost racist to their own race if you dont fit the steriotypical mold of what a black person should be.\

and this can be applied to alot of aspects...nerdy kids in college are still nerdy but they can get along with other social groups 10x easier.

high school can be a super stressful time. i had alot of issues in hs and once i got out..it got so much easier for me.

[MrQuotes]

yea sometimes i felt high school was like a challenge to not lose my fucking mind
granted i did have good friends and stuff, but i dont think i was ever a sociable person until i got out of that atmosphere

[Ne0phyte]

I'd kill myself too if I lived in Alabama. Let's just get the whole state on board, then Georgia, then Mississippi, then Arkansas...

[CrouchingTiger]

Alright! My city makes the news on SRK! :sad:

[maxx]

yea sometimes i felt high school was like a challenge to not lose my fucking mind
granted i did have good friends and stuff, but i dont think i was ever a sociable person until i got out of that atmosphere

ya know what i found interesting is...i didnt become accepted in hs til i got skinny junior year..i was a chubby kid..borderline fat and people ragged on me all the time. but when i got skinny i became more accepted...personality didnt change just my weight....i just assumed its cause now visually im like them. hs is a funny place.

[ElderGOD]

lol not everyone likes their class,

he's just re-rolling

Idiot.

I'd kill myself too if I lived in Alabama. Let's just get the whole state on board, then Georgia, then Mississippi, then Arkansas...

... then Michigan?

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,335673,00.html

:shake:

The fact that kids are still bringing guns to school is crazy....

Just because you don't know about it doesn't mean it doesn't happen.

All of these shootings only make the students feel less secure so I wouldn't be surprised if more people started carrying guns to school as a result of all these shootings.


Kids need to get educated these days, and I'm not talking about math or science...

[Netology]

at night when the crows cry i think about the darkness and suffering pervading my existence - it claws at my skin - woe - woe

"a kid commits suicide at school" is the title - the crows cry

we must all come together like the crows

and cry

over the kid

- woe.

/emofagGOD





k, thnx for sharing :confused:

[Airthrow]

Oh yea, every angst ridden teen is justified the act of suicide by claiming that they all have serious emotional and psychological problems.

Save yourself.:rolleyes:

Do you not understand that KILLING YOURSELF is proof enough that you have emotional and psychological problems?

In Chicago,every High School that I've been too in the city has metal detectors.Suburban High School's however are the exception.

Maybe Public schools, but Hales Franciscan and Carmel definitely didn't...maybe Leo did, I dunno. A friend of mine got expelled from Hales for bringing a gun to school to protect himself on the way home because he got threatened by a gang.

[ElderGOD]

k, thnx for sharing :confused:

Much experience you have, with teh EMO?

How is your rep coming along?

[Galactic]

Kid was selfish. "I WANNA FUCK UP AS MANY PEOPLES LIVES AS POSSIBLE WHEN I GO OUT, THEN THEY'LL LEARN"

If he really wanted to fuck up as many people's lives as possible, don't ya think he would have shot a few classmates first?

Nothings ever that bad that you have to kill yourself. Especially in grade school.


GOOD FUCKIN RIDDANCE.


What the fuck are parents teaching these weak ass moronic kids these days? When youre sad give up and pull the trigger? Jesus CHRIST.:rolleyes:

Yes, I'm sure his parents had a long talk with him about how when shit doesn't go his way he should shoot himself in the face...

Dude was crazy/depressed, maybe had a chemical imbalance, who knows, I'm just glad that he didn't shoot up the entire school.

^_-;

[Gouki7]

Guess he went out with a bang....

[capcomANDsnk]

any one for gun control??

"fuck that i'm for bullet control"

[nameingway]

the people who flip out and kill people/themselves in high school are too concerned with what the fuck people think. here's a revolutionary idea... don't give a fuck what those idiots think and just fucking have fun because hs is the easiest part of your life.

[Nokato]

I beg to differ. I think human life has always had value, but as it is with money, alot of people don't care simply because it Isn't theirs. Who knows what this kid could have become if he had gotten some help instead of a pistol.

You must've never had anything bad happen to you ever, or at least that's how you come off. I'm sure I could be dead wrong but it definitely seems that way. This isn't to say that human life isn't a good thing but there are times where people have gone through enough in terms of their own sanity threshold that to them there really isn't hope for their life.

Obviously, some people's thresholds vary from one another, and sometimes people can't get help (or it at least seems that way). I used to be much more optimistic about life, but the more you live life and things happen to you, your perspective is going to change.

I'm not justifying his suicide, but if that a choice he felt he needed to make I can't take that choice from him. He probably did it at school to "force" himself to follow through with it. It's much better than him killing students and presenting an insurmountable situation and then killing himself. I don't doubt there's alot of psychological damage that's been done but at least no one else's life was lost except for his own.

Even with that, death is always a terrible thing to deal with, especially his family. Maybe because of things I've been through I tend to think that way sometimes. I don't have the worst life, but I have been affected by things that have happened to me that I'm not as optimistic or idealistic about life as I used to be.

[pherai]

I used to be much more optimistic about life, but as you get hurt, used, and things happen to you, your perspective is going to change and become more realistic.

Calling a less optimistic perspective more realistic kind of implies optimistic people are just deluding themselves. You don't need to be blind to the trials of life in order to be optimistic about it.

its the feeling of being accepted. in high school you get judged on everything...i feel high school scrutinizes far more than college or real life. clicks exist on bigger colleges but they are far more accepting of people than high school.

i mean in high school i was asked if i was white cause i wore rocker pants and listened to more rock music. no ones gonna ask if ur white in college or real life..its just people accept thats ur preference. black people tend to be almost racist to their own race if you dont fit the steriotypical mold of what a black person should be.\

and this can be applied to alot of aspects...nerdy kids in college are still nerdy but they can get along with other social groups 10x easier.

high school can be a super stressful time. i had alot of issues in hs and once i got out..it got so much easier for me.

Like I was saying, that pressure to be accepted is personal. People judge you your entire life, but since you aren't part of some tight knit social group that sees eachother everyday, people think they are free from it in high school or something. I don't understand that, and I had more own experiences of being bullied, just had to avoid those dudes. I feel much more pressure to be liked in the workplace than anything. Maybe taking on more personal responsibility scales down the importance of being liked to people? I don't know. The race stuff I can't relate on, but I can certainly believe it.

I was miserable in high school because I was a city kid going to school with a bunch of racist smalltown douches. Then I actually graduated, got laid for the first time, got a car, got more friends, etc.

This makes sense to me. No way in hell would I want to start over at a new high school.

[Nokato]

Calling a less optimistic perspective more realistic kind of implies optimistic people are just deluding themselves. You don't need to be blind to the trials of life in order to be optimistic about it.

Well, I guess at least for me whenever I would get optimistic (more optimistic) whatever it was I was aspiring to get, or maintain went to shit--so in my head I realize I felt worse when I really thought things would work out when they didn't. So in a matter of "protecting" myself I stopped thinking that way. I felt foolish being positive all the time and things not going well--it was as if I was stupid.

When I see people that are overtly optimistic it annoys me, maybe because I wish I were that way or that I feel they've never gone through anything, because to me its practically impossible to forget and completely forgive people for the bullshit they may have put you through. Maybe in rare occurences can you truly forgive someone, I know even with people I've forgiven for things that in some way I've thought about it again--and wanted to get them back but I don't. I don't know its like--I'm a very nice person IRL--its just when you do something to hurt me I view people completely differently and I don't mean to.

[Satomiblood]

http://cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com/up/player/popup/?rn=3906861&cl=6843409&ch=4226713&src=news

It's not quite ED-209

[Netology]

Much experience you have, with teh EMO?

How is your rep coming along?


it's good, i like red more than green anyway, hows your mom cumming:lovin: along? did you satisfy her today or no?

[Starhammer]

Oh yea, every angst ridden teen is justified the act of suicide by claiming that they all have serious emotional and psychological problems.

Save yourself.:rolleyes:

Every single one of us has at one point though about killing ourselves but most of us never actually attempt to do it. Even if they DID, these things dont develop overnight. You have to be in a state of mind to kill yourself and one single event usually isnt enough to send you over the edge.



I dont have mercy for people who take their lives. Cut n dry. Plain n simple. People are fighting for their lives everyday, some have lost the battle but went down fighting, and then you just feel like its all a loss so you blow your head off?

PEACE OUT!!!! See you later alligator!

I wish I could rep you and use this post as my sig. While I'm not completely without mercy for those who kill themselves (assuming they aren't suicide bombers or the like ) I still get dissapointed when I hear about a suicide. No matter what a person is going through, you can almost be sure that there is someone else going through the same thing. Not only that, I'm sure that that person or people would appreciate talking to someone who at least knows what they are going through. Like you said, lots of us go through some bad situations and sometimes, there ISN'T anyone around to help. If I had pulled the plug back when I was in the Navy (and some did. R.I.P.) I wouldn't have made it to where I am now. I have the house, I've got the cash, I've even got the PS1,2,and 3 plus two computers. Ironically, I'm doing better than the majority of my friends and I'm a solo act. In other words, we all gotta go sooner or later, so why end it on a sour note with suicide?

-Starhammer-

[Don Mack]

I don't see whats so bad about high school either.

[pherai]

Nokato:

I understand what you're saying. I think its easier to keep a positive outlook on things when you insulate yourself from the influence of people like that. When you are forced to deal with people you dislike its a pain in the ass. It's just a matter of how much you let them run your life. There's no real need to forgive and befriend everybody that wrongs you (I wouldn't reccommend it) but brooding about it doesn't help either, although if you are in a situation where they are unavoidable, brooding is kind of natural.

[DarthTrey]

lol not everyone likes their class,

he's just re-rolling


lol,

shoulda leveled a jock alt.:woot:

[pherai]

Something I hated about the DnD system was random stats (or worse, random classes). My group never played that way. Just a set amount of attribute points, pick your class, fuck all that other shit. I don't want to rp a character I think is stupid.

[Kusanagi02]

I've always had the "what goes around comes around mentality" in high school. Then again i think i pissed off the people that started fights cause i was being a smartass and made them look stupid.

I think being at an all black high school, you tend to get scrutinized more for being different.

Anyways it sucks that the kid took the suicide route instead of getting help but oh well:shake:

[DropOff]

If he really wanted to fuck up as many people's lives as possible, don't ya think he would have shot a few classmates first?
^_-;
If we wasn't selfish he would have killed himself outside of school, perhaps in a discreet manner such as bridge-jumping or something.

[DarthTrey]

If we wasn't selfish he would have killed himself outside of school, perhaps in a discreet manner such as bridge-jumping or something.


"I wish you would step back from that ledge my friend...."

dunno why your statement made me think of that song :rofl:

[Higher-Jin]

If we wasn't selfish he would have killed himself outside of school, perhaps in a discreet manner such as bridge-jumping or something.

It's obvious he wanted attention. People kill themselves every day and don't get news coverage, but this kid did just because of the dramatic way that he did it.

Still, if you kill yourself for attention like this, you just care way too much about what other people think of you. That's like the ultimate surrender to the popular kids in high school. If you really want to beat them then show them high school isn't everything, go out and get a better paying job or just live a good life.

One last thing, it strikes me as somewhat funny that people call his act of suicide completely selfish because of the psychological trauma it causes on other people. Although it is selfish, is it not also selfish to think "How dare this person ruin MY day, by killing himself here." It's like the person's life is valued less than having a care-free day.

[Warrior's Dreams]

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,335673,00.html

:shake:

The fact that kids are still bringing guns to school is crazy....

The fact that schools dont do more to prevent kids from bringing guns is even crazier.

[TheSix]

The fact that schools dont do more to prevent kids from bringing guns is even crazier.

Schools out here already got multiple cops and metal detectors.

Anything more and we'd have T-888's assigned to watch every kid.

[The Chief]

Jeremy spoke in... cla~ss todaaaaaaaaaaayyyy </pearl jam>

-9

I never knew what that song was sayin til just now. :rofl:

[Warrior's Dreams]

Schools out here already got multiple cops and metal detectors.

Anything more and we'd have T-888's assigned to watch every kid.

I see.

Then what would you suggest? [not trying to flame btw]

[TheSix]

I don't know.

Without turning schools into mini prisons, I don't think there is anyway to stop it completely.

I believe it is just the sad reality we live in now.

[thurst]

it's mind blowing that someone would do something like this

...:clown:

[goodm0urning]

I believe it is just the sad reality we live in now.What do you mean by "now?" Guns in schools are not a recent phenomenon.

[The Epidemic]

^its not new..but its been happening more frequently.

[Murt!]

Oh yea, every angst ridden teen is justified the act of suicide by claiming that they all have serious emotional and psychological problems.

Save yourself.:rolleyes:

Every single one of us has at one point though about killing ourselves but most of us never actually attempt to do it. Even if they DID, these things dont develop overnight. You have to be in a state of mind to kill yourself and one single event usually isnt enough to send you over the edge.



I dont have mercy for people who take their lives. Cut n dry. Plain n simple. People are fighting for their lives everyday, some have lost the battle but went down fighting, and then you just feel like its all a loss so you blow your head off?

PEACE OUT!!!! See you later alligator!

He didn't claim anything you fucking moron. Jesus, your idiocy is off the fucking charts and as such I can't bring myself to respond to the rest of your post. Have fun being an ignorant jackass.

[Demon Dash]

I still don't understand why you can buy high calibre guns in America in the first place. I understand people need them to protect there land and all, but the fact that people can go into a store and within 72 hours have at least a 9mm is rediculous. The UK is limited to .22 pellet guns and we rarely ever have problems with those, never mind bullet bearing guns. The only way you're getting a gun is if you're a specialist (ranges etc) or you own a plot of land, both of which you need a licence. If they had never been on sale in the first place it would have given kids less chance of picking up a gun. Of course I can't judge law and justice systems in America, but there is an obvious cause to the problem.

[pherai]

I still don't understand why you can buy high calibre guns in America in the first place.

It's a matter of civil liberties. Ben Franklin sums up the idea pretty well. He said something like "people who give up freedom for safety deserve neither", which I mostly agree with, but I don't have an opinion on gun control. A lot of people hold these values in America.

If they had never been on sale in the first place it would have given kids less chance of picking up a gun. Of course I can't judge law and justice systems in America, but there is an obvious cause to the problem.

Well, that's the logic, but supposedly in area's in America where people can have concealed weapons permits, violent crime is lower. The logic is, law breakers have no qualms about getting guns illegally, and it leaves law abiding people vulnerable. The logic kind of works both ways. I don't have statistics, and like I said, I don't really have an opinion. I will say though that school shootings are still very rare, especially compared to like, normal violent crime.

[Demon Dash]

My point is though, excluding highly organised crime, petty gun related crimes wouldn't happen if guns weren't on sale without a propper permit. Large, underground organisations are going to get guns regardless, but street kids shouldn't have that opertunity. Even if you excluded those who connected with large organisations, the drop in gun crime would have been conciderably lower. Like I say I can't judge their systems because they have their own reasons, but I'm glad I live in the UK for that very reason.

[thurst]

you can only buy a gun with a permit. and most guns are the street are stolen or bought illegally on the black market. i'm guessing bcuz you're in england you don't know but it's not as if kids and criminals just stroll into hardware stores and purchase M16's.

[The Epidemic]

^u dont need a permit to buy a shotgun or rifle tho...

[Weeks]

^u dont need a permit to buy a shotgun or rifle tho...

background check.

[Dai_]

He was an hero .

[Will Gotti]

It's obvious he wanted attention. People kill themselves every day and don't get news coverage, but this kid did just because of the dramatic way that he did it.

Still, if you kill yourself for attention like this, you just care way too much about what other people think of you. That's like the ultimate surrender to the popular kids in high school. If you really want to beat them then show them high school isn't everything, go out and get a better paying job or just live a good life.

One last thing, it strikes me as somewhat funny that people call his act of suicide completely selfish because of the psychological trauma it causes on other people. Although it is selfish, is it not also selfish to think "How dare this person ruin MY day, by killing himself here." It's like the person's life is valued less than having a care-free day.

I concur on the ultimate surrender philosophy. Although killing yourself in front of a bunch of people? Honestly I'd be shocked myself if someone did that in front of me, but I wouldn't let my care-free day go by just because someone decided it was time for them to peace out. I'd be on my mind, but more of a burden like "why'd I have to see that happen?"

[sowutifmahsnsux]

at least he didnt feel like taking anyone with him sheeesh

[goodm0urning]

^its not new..but its been happening more frequently.Yes it has, but when you take into account how utterly rare it is to this day for some kind of gun violence to occur in a school, the increased frequency is not significant.

Consider the number of students enrolled in the American public school system--for example, 76.6 million in 2000. Compare that to the number of gun violence incidents that occur in the United States each year--an average of about three per year in this decade, with the proviso that the number varies wildly from year to year due to the minuscule base rate of school shooters. It doesn't matter that the average has gone up from only a few per decade in the 1960s, because it can still be described with the same phrase: extremely fucking rare.

Also consider spurious factors involved. As I said, in the '60s, there were only a few reported American school shootings during the decade. In the 2000s, there have been a handful more. Does this mean students are more likely to pick up a gun and use it on themselves or their fellow students? Perhaps. But don't ignore the fact that there are many more students in the system now than there were then, and that they're more likely to see their education all the way through to graduation now than they were then. With a larger sample size comes a larger number of expected incidents.

Finally, if you really want to know why it seems like it happens more often, here's a hint: where do you hear about it from, and what does the source have to gain by making it seem like gun violence in schools is a drastically worsening epidemic?

Uh, no pun intended.

[Airthrow]

background check.

Nope.

[Shizuma_15]

Wow, this is a crazy coincidence. I saw the title said Alabama and i thought is was referring to my old high school, Hoover High. A sophomore killed himself 2 weeks ago. Students were allowed to get out of class to go to the kid's memorial service, and his closest friends got pissed the fuck off at 90% of the people who went, because many of them did it to get out of class and had no real ties with the student at all.
"You didn't care then why the fuck do you care now" "You're too late to try to be his friend" were along the lines of what they said in justification.

now that's fucked up :shake:

[yah yaahh b*tch!]

He didn't claim anything you fucking moron. Jesus, your idiocy is off the fucking charts and as such I can't bring myself to respond to the rest of your post. Have fun being an ignorant jackass.

Hes still dead and im alive so i pretty much win this one. lol


There are a few people in here that see where I was going with my reply.


LIFE. ISNT. THAT. BAD.

He was an attention whore to the very end. Why not kill yourself at home and let people find you there? Thats the angst ridden emotionally unstable type of suicide. Where you write a note and cry all alone until you finally feel like ending your life. He came to school just to kill himself in front of all the people that he supposedly despised so much. I guess he was really "sticking it to em" by pulling the trigger, im sure they will all attend his funeral.


NOT!


They might have a moment of clarity and reflect back on picking with people to the point where they off themselves, but in the end the dude is STILL dead, and everyone will eventually get over it and move on with their lives.


All the hateration on me for being a "heartless moron" as my negative karma put it is wack. If you feel so god damn bad about it why dont you go blow your head off too so you can go chop it up in purgatory with the dude.

[masher]

Jeremy spoke in... cla~ss todaaaaaaaaaaayyyy </pearl jam>

-9

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO,but we unleashed a lion!

And he hit me with a surprise left!

My jaw left hurtin...ooh, dropped wide open :amazed:

[Weeks]

Nope.

Depends on the state, matey