STHD, can a beginner learn it through SF2Turbo?

[funkpanda]

So, i decided to buck up and learn how to play STHD for Evo2k8. Although i do yearn for VF5.

I was wondering, could i get prepared for it by playing SF2Turbo? Or will the games be too different?

[Juggy]

I don't really keep up on Evo events, but are they:

using STHD for sure?
are they using classic or the altered mode?

If it is the classic mode, then probably. If timings are changed (which from my understanding, they aren't), then no.

[COUM]

im presuming you mean ST, not sf2 turbo (hyper fighting)

evo is using the remix mode, but it's not going to be so different that you can't learn anything from practicing on regular ST. the fundamentals are the most important part, and they aren't changing.

[Logos]

No matter which version they end up using, you'll definitely be able to learn a lot of applicable stuff by playing ST. The HD Remix is exactly that, a remix. It's just a rebalanced version of the game. Like COUM said, the fundamentals aren't gonna be changing.

[shoultzula]

There will be some differences in the 2 games but if you understand the original, all you'll have to do is adapt to the new things.

[SpinalBlood]

I bet sf2 hd remix will be a failure more than hsf

original st = pure gold

rest = crap

[OmegaDL50]

I bet sf2 hd remix will be a failure more than hsf

original st = pure gold

rest = crap

I'm not going to even bother with this absurdly ignorant statement.

Tell me what magic version of HD Remix you've played already that gives you this knowledge on how the quality of the game is? Lets hear about your experience with HD Remix? I want information on the basis of actual hands-on experience, Not some hypothetical hearsay garbage you pulled out of your ass.

At least Sirlin is asking Pros for their input on the changes he makes for HD Remix. But you knew that already right? :rolleyes:

Or the fact that HD Remix is pretty much an Arcade perfect revision of Super Turbo and updated Remix Mode is simply an extra mode that is optional (Just like the Arranged mode of Puzzle Fighter HD Remix is optional as well), Or did that slip your mind too?

When you have educated yourself on the facts, come back and try again.

[Lonestar]

I for one welcome the new changes to HD remix...especially making Cammy's hooligan throw command a lot easier to do. That's gonna bring Cammy up a tier right there, you just wait.
When is SFHD coming out anyway?

[Jimmy Bones]

I bet sf2 hd remix will be a failure more than hsf

original st = pure gold

rest = crap

I bet SF2 HD remix will shut your mouth after wut you said>
Trust me!:yawn:

[arstal]

I'm not going to even bother with this absurdly ignorant statement.

Tell me what magic version of HD Remix you've played already that gives you this knowledge on how the quality of the game is? Lets hear about your experience with HD Remix? I want information on the basis of actual hands-on experience, Not some hypothetical hearsay garbage you pulled out of your ass.

At least Sirlin is asking Pros for their input on the changes he makes for HD Remix. But you knew that already right? :rolleyes:

Or the fact that HD Remix is pretty much an Arcade perfect revision of Super Turbo and updated Remix Mode is simply an extra mode that is optional (Just like the Arranged mode of Puzzle Fighter HD Remix is optional as well), Or did that slip your mind too?

When you have educated yourself on the facts, come back and try again.

The fact that pros are working on the game means little- pros have worked on a fighter before and had it turn out crap (Anarchy in the Nippon- made by some VF2 pros).

That said, if the right pros are working on it, it can be good. Sirlin is the right kind of pro to work on the project. I would not want, say, Jeff Schaefer's vision of ST. But Sirlin knows game design from what I've seen. I'll trust him until he is proven wrong.

[OmegaDL50]

Considering Sirlin is getting tournament vets and champions for input on his design changes means very good things. He asked John Choi and Nekohashi for input for giving Ryu a fake fireball, as well Graham Wolfe for changes on Balrog's safe jab headbutt.

So with that said, at least Sirlin is asking those that had experience on the game and have been to EVO and other tournaments prior to making changes.

It shows he is being VERY careful and meticulous with his changes. Instead of just completing the game and throwing it to a beta test of unknown Non serious Super Turbo players.

I'll take my chances much much more with Tournament vets that know the very depths of Super Turbo over some casual players who's input could make the game much more lacking.

At least with the decisions of the Vets, the games depth is likely to improve and make it more balanced rather then the latter.

[Shag]

So, i decided to buck up and learn how to play STHD for Evo2k8. Although i do yearn for VF5.

So what is stopping you?

It's not official but there will be VF5 at Evo. :wink: :tup:

[The Furious One]

I bet sf2 hd remix will be a failure more than hsf

original st = pure gold

rest = crap

lmao i knew you would say something along those lines.

It will be a success no doubt. But will you buy the game Spinal or are you such a hater that you will not even play the classic version in HD :wonder:

[SpinalBlood]

I'm not going to even bother with this absurdly ignorant statement.

Tell me what magic version of HD Remix you've played already that gives you this knowledge on how the quality of the game is? Lets hear about your experience with HD Remix? I want information on the basis of actual hands-on experience, Not some hypothetical hearsay garbage you pulled out of your ass.

At least Sirlin is asking Pros for their input on the changes he makes for HD Remix. But you knew that already right? :rolleyes:

Or the fact that HD Remix is pretty much an Arcade perfect revision of Super Turbo and updated Remix Mode is simply an extra mode that is optional (Just like the Arranged mode of Puzzle Fighter HD Remix is optional as well), Or did that slip your mind too?

When you have educated yourself on the facts, come back and try again.

There is no reason to play an extra optional when u already have a cool game. The extra optional would have to be superior than the original, which will happen very hardly. I don't understand all the hype, the interest will die after 2 months

[COUM]

if thats your attitude why arent you still playing CE?

[R-Jive]

^ Exactly, Spinal why do you fail to realize that this is not ST ?

[SpinalBlood]

if thats your attitude why arent you still playing CE?

st is a much more balanced game than ce

and ce will might be better than hd lol

[COUM]

way to completely miss my point :rolleyes:

[SpinalBlood]

way to completely miss my point :rolleyes:

If the major rules of the game aren't changed it's just a poor alteration of a cool game

hd remix (optional version) = svc chaos and capcom fighting jam end, die in 2 months

[crackbone]

If the major rules of the game aren't changed it's just a poor alteration of a cool game

hd remix (optional version) = svc chaos and capcom fighting jam end, die in 2 months

Work on your English and trolling skills, they both suck.

[Zert41]

st is a much more balanced game than ce

and ce will might be better than hd lol

You like ST more than CE cause it's more balanced, ST HD will probably be more balanced than ST, but for the rest it'll play the same way, plus it looks better, and has online play, so why would ST HD be inferior?

[funkpanda]

So what is stopping you?

It's not official but there will be VF5 at Evo. :wink: :tup:

Well, there are no local VF5 tournies or leagues where im at (Dallas area) but people still play Streetfighter and DoA.

So i want to practice a game that i can find good competition with.

[SpinalBlood]

so why would ST HD be inferior?

I think there will be at least a broke fact that makes the game like, meh. Too early to speak? We'll see

[clue2025]

How will it be broke? Because some moves are easier to do? Its the same game with a *bit* less precision or difficulty. Besides, read the newest entry on the game on capcom's blog. They're sayin that the pros are likin it a lot and that its turning out to be a good project.

[Hisham]

HD remix is being said to be the sixth SF2.

Sirlin knows what he is doing. The game is possibly going to be more balanced then ST, and just for kicks you get the orginal as well. I think Spinal's the only one who thinks the orginal will last out over HD remix. Having the orginal is nice, but with somebody like Sirlin on the helm, it could turn out to be a significant difference. Hell, Akuma being nerfed for tourny play in the remix mode is pretty significant.

[ParryPerson.]

Sirlin knows what he is doing. The game is possibly going to be more balanced then ST,

I lol'ed.

[FatalFuryD]

Dude kind of has a point. ST community is notorious for not accepting anything different from original. They trashed PS1, DC, and Hyper version and didn't really give out any good reason for it other than it being different from original. It really is a difficult game to learn and is a killer original, but when the core fans are that picky it's hard to see the game get picked up.

[COUM]

There's nothing special about the ST community in that regard; if ports of other games were as messed up as the ST ports have been you'd see the same thing. DC version is fine, but you can blame NKI's claims that it was a bad port as for why that never took off (not hating, just saying).

Besides, this is a new game, so there's no reason to dismiss it just because it's different from ST.

[SweetJohnnyV]

I lol'ed.

Why?

ST community is notorious for not accepting anything different from original...It really is a difficult game to learn and is a killer original, but when the core fans are that picky it's hard to see the game get picked up.

Remix is being played at Evo this year, and a lot of the ST community seems to be looking forward to the new game. I think our community has been picky in the past because most of us old men grew up playing the game in the arcade. So showing up to a tourney and having it play different throws people off.

With Remix, there's no pre-conceived notions of how it works. It's a new game. A clean slate. I think it's going to be a rather refreshing change.

Anyway, to the OP: Yeah, you'll be able to learn a lot of the fundamentals of the new game by playing ST. People are starting to play online with the Neo Final Burn Alpha emulator. There's a thread about this in the Super Turbo forum here. Alternatively, you can just pick up one of the many home versions. Any version will be fine for learning the basic moves and properties that will be remain 90+% the same in remix. Good luck!

[lamewadd]

Hint:

If you're just starting to learn now, it doesn't matter what you're learning it on. You're gonna lose. Hard.

[power333]

Original ST is the worst balanced game ever, with only one viable character.

Then you do like the Smash community and ban that character. Now the game has a top tier like all other games. Cool.

HD Remix got rid of the worst balanced game ever label by weakening Akuma. And it seems to be getting more balance in the tiers by making crappy characters better.

If you really really hate HD Remix, even before it comes out, you can always boycott Evo and play the original ST arcade board vs the CPU, if you can find it. MvC players can do the same because they hate MvC2, and 2nd Impact players can do the same because they hate 3S. Everybody can be happy while the community dies.

Or, you can show up to Evo and learn a new game after 14 years. And then make up your mind about it.

[ParryPerson.]

Original ST is the worst balanced game ever, with only one viable character.

I lol'ed again

[TTZ231]

I've said it before, I can take buff's but I hate nerfs. Like Rog's headbutt or super, so you just wanna take away his aa game, and make him waste a super against a fireball spammer? . I'll get this game, if someone I know shares it to me on PSN, or my job gives away FREE MS points, and I have already bought DLC for Test Drive Unlimited.

But yeah, I'm one of of those guys who hate subsequent release where my guys are weaker, like how Alpha 1 Ryu is just so good(35% ANTI AIR 3 HIT LEVEL 1 SHINKUU HADOKEN LOL) then fast forward to Alpha 3, where you can literally jab him out of his dragon punch, and the lvl 3 Shinkuu takes as much as a hard punch.

Whats next, 2 button grabs?

bring other UP to par, dont rape people who were good before. That how all these random characters are better than legendary shotos in newer games.

[COUM]

I've said it before, I can take buff's but I hate nerfs. Like Rog's headbutt or super, so you just wanna take away his aa game, and make him waste a super against a fireball spammer?

What? :confused: Do you even know what was nerfed about these moves?

[ahlee]

Hint:

If you're just starting to learn now, it doesn't matter what you're learning it on. You're gonna lose. Hard. That may be true but that shouldn't discourage people from trying. One can learn a lot from entering a tournament, even if they don't get very far. What may be an early elimination this year can be a foundation for placing in the years to come.

[Shirts]

Yes. Fundamentally, STHD is still ST.

[power333]

I lol'ed again

That's the best strategy when your arguments are non existant. You win in your little make up world. And ST gets bigger and popular. And Akuma is fair game. And nobody plays ST HD and SF 4 and ... you wake up. I'm glad all the top players disagree with you, or we would all be playing Karate Champ forever.

[Mechanica]

That's the best strategy when your arguments are non existant. You win in your little make up world. And ST gets bigger and popular. And Akuma is fair game. And nobody plays ST HD and SF 4 and ... you wake up. I'm glad all the top players disagree with you, or we would all be playing Karate Champ forever.

Dude, you're acting like such an idiot. Shut up. Who do you think is the one viable character? :wtf:

[fallot]

Akuma ? I think he was just trying to prove some obscure point.

[Mizuki]

Hint:

If you're just starting to learn now, it doesn't matter what you're learning it on. You're gonna lose. Hard.

Uhhh, I started playing the game 3 months before evo2k7 and was a game away from qualifing. I don't think I lost hard.

Anyways, I think ST original will be okay for learning HD. I hope it is because Evo will be the first time I'm playing it.

[Marty]

To sum up this clusterfuck of a thread: Yes. Yes you can.

[deadfrog]

Uhhh, I started playing the game 3 months before evo2k7 and was a game away from qualifing. I don't think I lost hard.
There are a lot of ways I could tear apart your point right now. I don't doubt that you're a decent player, though.

I'm willing to bet that you...
- have some accumulated experience playing other (2D) fighting games competitively
- know how to get the most out of your practice, in terms of tangible improvement, because of understanding gleaned from the above
- put a fair amount of time and effort into learning the game during that three month period
- have at least some prior experience with the SF2 series anyway (who doesn't?!)

The skill level for competitive ST is high. You probably just started off at a much higher level of ability than the average beginner.


I bet sf2 hd remix will be a failure more than hsf

original st = pure gold

rest = crap
Comparison: opips2 (http://forums.shoryuken.com/search.php?searchid=1363980) and his broken english are lovable because he's happy, clever, and a technical wiz.
From what I've read so far, this guy just sounds like an asshole and a moron.

[SpinalBlood]

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From what I've read so far, this guy just sounds like an asshole and a moron.

While you are stupid to believe that hd will be SERIOUSLY taken in considerance :rolleyes:, and not only between the japanese

It's not just fixing some unbalanced stuff, it's modifying the propeties for the whole cast, how the balance could be similar to the original one? It hasn't to be similar but better? Simply utopia.

And besides the balance, I noticed the trailer video with ryu vs ken at claw stage: gay draw/colors and crap animations, at the moment the original looks tons better. A total failure? ;)