General character discussion (NO tier lists please)

[orochizoolander]

OK so we know every character will more then likely get there own thread sooner or later so i made this thread to lump them all together so we can find each individual character thread easily without having to sort through the inevitable mess. Also in this thread we can discuss each characters strengths/weaknesses and strats for each or just any general gameplay tips as well.

I'll link every individual character thread made in this post and i'd appreciate if this was stickied.

Mr.wiz gave us our own forum lets learn from the mistakes of the sf4 forum:rofl:

Smashboards advanced techniques compilation: http://smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=142139

Smashboards character discussion threads: http://smashboards.com/forumdisplay.php?f=118


sonic
http://forums.shoryuken.com/showthread.php?t=151632

pokemon
http://forums.shoryuken.com/showthread.php?t=151633

lucario
http://forums.shoryuken.com/showthread.php?t=151664

jigglypuff
http://forums.shoryuken.com/showthread.php?t=151905

pikachu
http://forums.shoryuken.com/showthread.php?t=152523

olimar
http://forums.shoryuken.com/showthread.php?t=151628

snake
http://forums.shoryuken.com/showthread.php?t=151641

bowser
http://forums.shoryuken.com/showthread.php?t=151654

yoshi
http://forums.shoryuken.com/showthread.php?t=151656

it's a me...mario!
http://forums.shoryuken.com/showthread.php?t=151658

luigi
http://forums.shoryuken.com/showthread.php?t=151692

peach
http://forums.shoryuken.com/showthread.php?t=151663

wario
http://forums.shoryuken.com/showthread.php?t=151660

diddy kong
http://forums.shoryuken.com/showthread.php?t=151649

donkey kong
http://forums.shoryuken.com/showthread.php?t=151681

GnW
http://forums.shoryuken.com/showthread.php?t=151652

ike
http://forums.shoryuken.com/showthread.php?t=151645

marth
http://forums.shoryuken.com/showthread.php?t=151655

ZSS
http://forums.shoryuken.com/showthread.php?t=151648

samus
http://forums.shoryuken.com/showthread.php?t=151732

D3
http://forums.shoryuken.com/showthread.php?t=151642

kirby
http://forums.shoryuken.com/showthread.php?t=151688

meta knight
http://forums.shoryuken.com/showthread.php?t=151644

toon link
http://forums.shoryuken.com/showthread.php?t=151662

ganondorf
http://forums.shoryuken.com/showthread.php?t=151691

zelda/shiek
http://forums.shoryuken.com/showthread.php?t=151766

wolf
http://forums.shoryuken.com/showthread.php?t=151661

fox
http://forums.shoryuken.com/showthread.php?t=151717

falco
http://forums.shoryuken.com/showthread.php?t=151765

rob
http://forums.shoryuken.com/showthread.php?t=151671

pit
http://forums.shoryuken.com/showthread.php?t=151667

ness/lucas
http://forums.shoryuken.com/showthread.php?t=151722

captain falcon
http://forums.shoryuken.com/showthread.php?t=151708

ice climbers
http://forums.shoryuken.com/showthread.php?t=152344

[Oroman]

I had high hopes for R.O.B. but he just can't cut it for me. He has a few good moves I must admit. R.O.B. has very good tilts and his air attacks are decent. His nair has a little bit of start up but everything else is good....with the exception of his Uair. His special moves are quite good, but I think it would be better if his down B move spun longer. I use G and W now but I know TheSix still uses him.

[Jac]

I had high hopes for R.O.B. but he just can't cut it for me. He has a few good moves I must admit. R.O.B. has very good tilts and his air attacks are decent. His nair has a little bit of start up but everything else is good....with the exception of his Uair. His special moves are quite good, but I think it would be better if his down B move spun longer. I use G and W now but I know TheSix still uses him.


I hate R.O.B.
Period.

But G&W is really good in brawl

[orochizoolander]

^^Six said rob is really good from what i've seen his bair is serious business.

[H-F Blade]

It seems that LOTS of b-airs have been beefed in this game. It almost feels like a universal kill move when you're in the air. :|

[mastermind]

Motion for Sticky. Who's gonna mod TEH SRK BRAWLS FORUM

[Master Chibi]

Motion for Sticky. Who's gonna mod TEH SRK BRAWLS FORUM

memememememememe

[Shinto]

memememememememe

I would vote no, can't have any bitching.

[ArcadeFire]

Motion for Sticky. Who's gonna mod TEH SRK BRAWLS FORUM

*Raises Hand*

Please?

[orochizoolander]

I'd like to give the mod spot a shot though i dont know who it's up to to decide mr.wiz? and of course i'd need SRK's brawl people to be cool with it.

[lamewadd]

How the hell do you dodge Metaknight's FS?

[EmblemLord]

You don't.

You run away like a little school girl.

[Master Chibi]

I would vote no, can't have any bitching.

So don't bitch.

[Raph_Stryker]

so who got picked to be a mod. Id like to go for one of those positions, ive been playing the game a good while now, and i want to do more for our group of SRK brawlers.

someone put in a good word for me (or at least tell me who i have to ask for SRK Brawl Mod Powerz)

[orochizoolander]

Mr.wiz or whoever is in charge of this forum will decide a mod if and when they need so lets move on.


Anyways I updated the OP with a link from smashboards with a compilation of "advanced techniques" in case anyone missed it and if you discovered something new or if there's anything not listed there that you think should be i'll put it in the OP.

EDIT: Also updated the OP with a link of the character discussion threads from smashboards in case anyone is interested.

[lamewadd]

You don't.

You run away like a little school girl.

But he can beast you from like...across the level.

[orochizoolander]

^^Sarcasm much?

Galaxia darkness isn't that bad because you can neutral A combo into it:wonders:


So who is everyone using?/ having a hard time against?

When i'm bowser i have a hard time vs anyone with a spammable projectile.

[orochizoolander]

So do marth and toon link live up to the hype from the old thread? XD

[AlphaDragoon02]

Marth is indeed cheap as fuck. I haven't experienced enough Toon Link to make a concrete call, but he looks really good too.

[EmblemLord]

Marth is a beast.

So is Toon Link.

I should know since I play both of them. ^_^

[orochizoolander]

I fins ike very difficult to play against especially when i'm using metaknight.

Anyone checkout the advanced techniques link at the top the page? Half of them i haven't ever heard of/used lol.

[Tam]

How the hell do you dodge Metaknight's FS?

Down + Shield = Dodge. The best way to dodge it :) I've done it twice so far

[quiche]

Motion for Sticky. Who's gonna mod TEH SRK BRAWLS FORUMI already offered to Wiz while he was making the channel. He ignored me and gave it to the preexisting FGD mods.

...seriously.

[MrWizard]

the mods havnet been decided yet, as these mods are just default since they are already in this section.

[Corner-Trap]

I'd love to be a mod, but considering I have next to no real credibility I highly doubt I'll be chosen.

[AlphaDragoon02]

I'd love to be a mod, but considering I have next to no real credibility I highly doubt I'll be chosen.

It would indeed be interesting to be a mod. I'm sure Wiz will get some folks on it soon enough. Good thing is, right now our new forum's doing okay (with the exception of certain individuals in the EVO Rules thread) so the immediate need for dedicated mods isn't there.

[Corner-Trap]

I just put up a Jigglypuff thread, my girl needs some more love.

http://forums.shoryuken.com/showthread.php?t=151905

[orochizoolander]

^Added it to the OP.


Has anyone tested these

Smashboards advanced techniques compilation: http://smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=142139

[Oroman]

^Added it to the OP.


Has anyone tested these

Smashboards advanced techniques compilation: http://smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=142139

Not yet ,but I'll test a few out when my dad is off the TV.

[Oroman]

I don't know where else to ask this question, but what's the best setup with a classic controller that allows me to do tilts easier? Perhaps I should make a simple question, simple answer thread...

[UltraDavid]

Down + Shield = Dodge. The best way to dodge it :) I've done it twice so far
I've also tried this twice, and both times gotten killed.

[Chiris Pantsu]

Where's the Ice Climber love? :(

[asianhitler]

What makes Marth so beastly?

[orochizoolander]

^^To put it simply his attacks have great range and KO power.

[Tam]

only 2 times?! gotta try some more! takes practice

[Shadow Ace 50]

Ahem..because I AM LEGEND....thoughts on the NEW CLASS OF 08

Ike...heavy hitter...low speed...but he is a heavy hitter
Olimar...to be honest I can't run it with him...sorry
King Dedede...im not bashing but I can't run it him either
Snake...of course he is a member of Team Shadow
Wolf......newest member of team shadow...I mean what's the matter you scared?
Wario...this goofball acutally has set-ups and combos
Toon Link...supasses his father..uhh I mean Link in alot of ways..TSM (Five member)
Lucario...meh...but the rotation looks dope
Lucas...this is debatable...I hear alot people say Ness over Lucas and Lucas over Ness..Lucas pwns ness
R.OB.....no comment
Pit....Angel ring spam...lol yeah he good
Metaknight...he is a threat one on one
Sonic...Leader

[Sooounclutch]

Has anyone tested these

yea, they all work.


I don't know where else to ask this question, but what's the best setup with a classic controller that allows me to do tilts easier? Perhaps I should make a simple question, simple answer thread...

you could try changing your right stick to designate it to "attack" instead of "smash," but then you can only do smashes from the analog+A, which personally i don't like because it makes some of the ATs more difficult. i am pretty sure they still work, and if you are used to not using the c-stick for smashes, by all means go for it.

[Rioting Soul]

Copied and pasted from other post:

Just found something out and don't know if you guys know about it yet. If you map the C-stick to do specials, do a run then press the c-stick in the opposite direction. This will make your character jump forward while looking back. It doesn't have the sluggish stopping animation of the Reverse Aerial Rush. I got it accidentally after trying that wavebouncing stuff.

Up until know I'v been using the old way to get Bairs while moving forward, but the c-stick method is way quicker. It completely bypasses the animation of your character turning around and stopping their run. If you're OK with the c-stick not doing smashes, then it's definitely worth looking into.

[-=KOH=-]

Anyone want me to do a basic move assessment and Damage Chart for a character, I'll do them in order of post if anyone wants me to. I'm at work but I can do a couple tonight. If anyone hasn't seen this is how I do them. http://forums.shoryuken.com/showthread.php?t=152523

[quiche]

KOH, do Olimar. I want damage and knockback assessments for each move, with each color of pikmin. Even his throws differ depending on pikmin color, so get crackin'!

...seriously.

[-=KOH=-]

KOH, do Olimar. I want damage and knockback assessments for each move, with each color of pikmin. Even his throws differ depending on pikmin color, so get crackin'!

...seriously.

Ok I'll do olimar next.

[orochizoolander]

^^Yeah that would be pretty nice, i'm trying to pick up olimar as my 7th main lol.

[King9999]

KOH, when you're done with Olimar, do Ganondorf next!

EDIT: on second thought, maybe I should cover his techniques since he's my main. Nevermind, man.

[-=KOH=-]

I'm about 40% done with the Olimar list, his is going to take the longest out of every character, his attacks have weird properties that need to be noted.

Also, I'm going to K.O marth with all of his attacks to give you guys a general idea of what his best k.o's are, as well as test knock back at a few different percentages, its going to take a while.

Also, I just got a capture card so I'll be able to record anything weird that I find.

[quiche]

lol, i can tell you his best ko's - u-smash, f-smash, d-smash, blue pikmin forward or back-throw, purple pikmin up-throw, uair, and dair (to spike)

...seriously.

[scum gale 88]

Im having such a hard time countering metaknight, his attacks are just too fast!

[vasAZNion13]

i'm having a hard time against FD ledge. this character is just too good.

[scum gale 88]

i'm having a hard time against FD ledge. this character is just too good.

..............
Im assuming that was some sort of jab at my previous post?

[vasAZNion13]

..............
Im assuming that was some sort of jab at my previous post?

not really a jab, i was just taking ur wording format to make my crack at the FD ledge more clear.

[scum gale 88]

well, Im glad you gave that ledge a piece of your mind. FD ledge has caused its fair share of troubles for all of us, we dont need any more unwed teenage mothers.

allow me to reword.

Im having a difficult time countering metaknight, its hard to find an opportunity to attack since the majority of his moves (tornado! AAARGH!!) make it tough to move in for a hit. any tips for countering this masked golfball of pain? does meta even have any counter characters?

[EmblemLord]

Snake rapes MK hard.

[orochizoolander]

well, Im glad you gave that ledge a piece of your mind. FD ledge has caused its fair share of troubles for all of us, we dont need any more unwed teenage mothers.

allow me to reword.

Im having a difficult time countering metaknight, its hard to find an opportunity to attack since the majority of his moves (tornado! AAARGH!!) make it tough to move in for a hit. any tips for countering this masked golfball of pain? does meta even have any counter characters?

PROTIP: The top of mk's tornado is the most vulnerable, shield throwing is very effective against him as are most heavyweight and sword characters.

Any of the top (snake n marth especially, but also rob, pit, tl, and zelda rape MK hard.

Fixed:wink:

[SN3S]

So where's all the ganondorf love? :lol:

Anyways, I figured I should start lurking around here since I love Brawl. I've got some vids up here (http://www.dailymotion.com/_SN3S/1) if anyone wants to watch 'em. However, I'm pretty fail at the game, so whatever.

See you all around.

[G.O.T]

So where's all the ganondorf love? :lol:

Anyways, I figured I should start lurking around here since I love Brawl. I've got some vids up here (http://www.dailymotion.com/_SN3S/1) if anyone wants to watch 'em. However, I'm pretty fail at the game, so whatever.

See you all around.

actually pretty good. Got some mix-ups to ya.

[No defence]

actually pretty good. Got some mix-ups to ya.

I Find Toon Link really easy to control. Toon link is enjoyable to play with.

I am a CVS 2 player . Never thought I would have fun playing Brawl. I hated on Smash, because None of the character did what I wanted them to do.( / fit my play style)

For somebody with only 6 hours of smash game play under my belt do you smashers think

Toon Link is a good starter character/ cuz I am a novice?.:wonder:

[orochizoolander]

Toon link is a very well rounded character; he has decent projectiles, great smash attacks on the ground, even better aerial game (his dair is beastly), and because he can do everything reasonably well and is fairly easy to use imo he's on the the very best characters.

I just started using him but my early impressions lead me to believe he has a lot of potential.

[SN3S]

I just started using him but my early impressions lead me to believe he has a lot of potential.

QFT; He's very solid overall. If you enjoy playing as him, I don't see why not.

I played metaknight last night, and because of you I used his neutral B. It is a beast :lol:

[Shade]

Falco's awesome.

[scum gale 88]

Falco's awesome.

fuck your fucking falco. its all about TEH BOWSAR!! ARF ARF ARF!

[Arkayne17]

fuck your fucking falco. its all about TEH BOWSAR!! ARF ARF ARF!

Lol , Bowsercide FTW!

So wait.... Bowser is a dog now? :lol:

So is Lucas dead to the SRK folk : (.

[BigJonStud12]

Lol , Bowsercide FTW!

So wait.... Bowser is a dog now? :lol:

So is Lucas dead to the SRK folk : (.

Who's Lucas again? :confused:




Just kiddng :smile:!
Every once in a while, I like to use Lucas. PK FIRE FOR THE ZONE! Though, I would use Bowser over Lucas at any tournament. But that's just my preference.

[Arkayne17]

Who's Lucas again? :confused:




Just kiddng :smile:!
Every once in a while, I like to use Lucas. PK FIRE FOR THE ZONE! Though, I would use Bowser over Lucas at any tournament. But that's just my preference.


Lol , well I could understand Bowsercide over PKF hmmm.. not a hard choice eh?

[Rekano]

fuck your fucking falco. its all about TEH BOWSAR!! ARF ARF ARF!

THIS MAN HAS THE RIGHT IDEA!

[MiraiGen]

So where's all the ganondorf love? :lol:

Anyways, I figured I should start lurking around here since I love Brawl. I've got some vids up here (http://www.dailymotion.com/_SN3S/1) if anyone wants to watch 'em. However, I'm pretty fail at the game, so whatever.

See you all around.

Gdorf's problem is the fact that his attacks and runspeed are all too sluggish to combo effectively.

In those videos I suggest using less Thunderstomp and Fair, and after a Flame Choke use his Dtilt. It's a guaranteed hit. Also, seriously, a Dark Leap at close range vs Marth? Totally awesome. He can't counter or nothin.

But still, not bad at all.

EDIT: Oh! Also try using air Wizard's Foot a little later. If it comes out faster they can't react giving you the impact-damage.

[Zero-SR388]

Gdorf's problem is the fact that his attacks and runspeed are all too sluggish to combo effectively.

In those videos I suggest using less Thunderstomp and Fair, and after a Flame Choke use his Dtilt. It's a guaranteed hit. Also, seriously, a Dark Leap at close range vs Marth? Totally awesome. He can't counter or nothin.

But still, not bad at all.

EDIT: Oh! Also try using air Wizard's Foot a little later. If it comes out faster they can't react giving you the impact-damage.

You don't try to combo with Gannon.
You only really combo up to 4 hits with him, and that's only if it's set up REALLY nice.

Even though he's slow, he can still lock people down with his strength.
And he can counter projectiles fairly easy.

And his uair is REALLY good, and hits 360 degrees, and is a great edgegaurd.
And his uair can also be combo'd after using his dthrow .

[orochizoolander]

You don't try to combo with Gannon.
You only really combo up to 4 hits with him, and that's only if it's set up REALLY nice.

How the hell do you combo 4 hits with ganon? I main him and have never been able to do that.

[MGS]

how do you get the shadow link..not the creepy looking one with the red eyes i mean the one thats a complete shadow..u fight him in one of the solo event things so its been programmed into the game but is there anyway to make him playable?

[Daigo Jr]

Are there any tutorials around?
and is there a thread somewhere I can find all the acronyms and nick names etc? I don't get what tilt means mainly...

[BIG BAD MOG]

What the heck is a tilt?

[orochizoolander]

it's one you press the directions stick slightly instead of fully and then A.

[BIG BAD MOG]

Alright, I'll try that out. Sounds weird

[orochizoolander]

Yeah so I just started maining marth, trying to space correctly online is gay. He's got good ko power though on the tippers.

[TornadoFlame]

Yeah so I just started maining marth, trying to space correctly online is gay. He's got good ko power though on the tippers.

If you're heading to SB3, I'll run some Ganon/Marth matches with you. That's one of my favorite matches. :tup:

[FOBio]

it's one you press the directions stick slightly instead of fully and then A.

Dammit, I thought you can only do tilts by holding down the direction instead of tapping it. No wonder people can do tilts a lot more easily than I can. IE: I always jump before doing up tilt and sometimes I run instead of doing forward tilt.

[Carbunkle Flux]

One way to help this is to take off Up-Jump. You get so much more control over your air game when you do it that way IMO.

[orochizoolander]

If you're heading to SB3, I'll run some Ganon/Marth matches with you. That's one of my favorite matches. :tup:

Ganon is one of my mains as well. Haven't had ganon mirrors in a while.