SF4 Girls/Women

[kenjiharima]

Do you think these are the SF girls and women that would appear in SF4?

http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f154/harimadez/SRgame/SF4magz.jpg


I'll be glad if they all make it! :lovin::lovin::lovin:

[BunnyHead]

^whas the name of that book please?

I want to buy it.

It would awesome if all them got in
I'm praying they put my gurl Cammy in it

[Serpent]

They should put Morrigan in SF4, but use her CvS2 sprite that was ripped from VS3 or MvC1 or whatever. In keeping with tradition and such.

[Korigama]

^whas the name of that book please?

I want to buy it.


A recent issue of Famitsu, from the looks of it.

[woof]

id love to see the furry

[RevFirst]

They should put Morrigan in SF4, but use her CvS2 sprite that was ripped from VS3 or MvC1 or whatever. In keeping with tradition and such.

Even Twelve would be more fitting.

[Monte]

japan needs to learn how to draw black people. Elena looks like that kid from Eureka 7:rofl:

http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k224/MetalMcFire/Eureka%20Seven/EurekaRentonkids.jpg

[scentless]

Did i see Rose in the picture???? SF4 needs more Rose!!!!!!!

[Henaki]

japan needs to learn how to draw black people. Elena looks like that kid from Eureka 7:rofl:

http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k224/MetalMcFire/Eureka%20Seven/EurekaRentonkids.jpg

probably because they're the same artist @w@

[oohappytofuoo]

ohh shit..

[Nokato]

probably because they're the same artist @w@

It's not the same artist...the artist who drew the cover of the magazine is Kinu Nishimura and she works for Capcom. Elena is 100% African either. What's so offensive about the pic?

[BEWD]

japan needs to learn how to draw black people. Elena looks like that kid from Eureka 7:rofl:

http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k224/MetalMcFire/Eureka%20Seven/EurekaRentonkids.jpg

Don't bag on one of the few non-stereotypical africans in FGs, especially not Elena.:shake:(who needs to be in SF4!!!!:mad:)

[BunnyHead]

It's not the same artist...the artist who drew the cover of the magazine is Kinu Nishimura and she works for Capcom. Elena is 100% African either. What's so offensive about the pic?

There was somethin offensive?

Don't bag on one of the few non-stereotypical africans in FGs, especially not Elena.:shake:(who needs to be in SF4!!!!:mad:)

word up Elena is awesome

[Nokato]

There was somethin offensive?



word up Elena is awesome

Well, he was claiming "Japan" needs to learn how to draw black people, as if something was wrong with how Elena looked. I really don't understand people sometimes. If someone slapped a big nose and huge lips on her they would claim stereotyping--but if someone decides to have some ethnic features but not exxagerate them they don't look ethnic enough. I'm not ragging on the guy for saying it but as an artist it just annoys me how fickle people can be sometimes.

When I draw a character that's African-American, I do have some hints there of he or shes being black but I don't make a stereotype out of it either. And no, an Afro is not a stereotype--if I felt it worked for the character--thats what I use.


http://expotato.deviantart.com/art/CUNNING-NINJA-PLEASE-78872310

And no, I'm not implying I'm as good as Kinu either. Just trying to cover all bases.

[BunnyHead]

Well, he was claiming "Japan" needs to learn how to draw black people, as if something was wrong with how Elena looked. I really don't understand people sometimes. If someone slapped a big nose and huge lips on her they would claim stereotyping--but if someone decides to have some ethnic features but not exxagerate them they don't look ethnic enough. I'm not ragging on the guy for saying it but as an artist it just annoys me how fickle people can be sometimes.

When I draw a character that's African-American, I do have some hints there of he or shes being black but I don't make a stereotype out of it either.

I know I was just playing

Well with u saying that
no there is nothing wrong with how Elena looks, I think they drew her fine
and I'm actually glad they didnt make her look like a sambo which japanese people do to black characters alot

I feel u 100% Nokato because I do the same thing as an artist

[arstal]

Elena is probably the 2nd best designed black female char ever, next to Vanessa from VF.

[BEWD]

I know I was just playing

Well with u saying that
no there is nothing wrong with how Elena looks, I think they drew her fine
and I'm actually glad they didnt make her look like a sambo which japanese people do to black characters alot

I feel u 100% Nokato because I do the same thing as an artist


The REAL question you guys should be debating(As the Afro has proven to hold up in animation as a cool design) is wether to bring back the Jheri Curl......j/k :rofl:

[DevilJin 01]

LOL. Yeah...a black character doesn't have to look like a Blackface actor or Shoop Da Whoop to be black.

[BunnyHead]

LOL. Yeah...a black character doesn't have to look like a Blackface actor or Shoop Da Whoop to be black.

The REAL question you guys should be debating(As the Afro has proven to hold up in animation as a cool design) is wether to bring back the Jheri Curl......j/k :rofl:

:rofl::rofl::rofl:
Shoop Da Whoop lol!! I never heard that before

as for the jheri curl
I wouldnt mind, bring on the soul glo

[BEWD]

Only thing is, the Jheri Curl would be the most broken move in fighting game history, can you say Grease/Gel AHVB beams? :sad:

Back to the SF4 women, I'm going headhunting if Elena's not in SF4(And please don't make her overtly bulky, especially in the legs, leave that to Chun.)

[Hatred Edge]

japan needs to learn how to draw black people. Elena looks like that kid from Eureka 7:rofl:

http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k224/MetalMcFire/Eureka%20Seven/EurekaRentonkids.jpg
That's some of the MOST disturbing, creepy children I have ever seen.
When I draw a character that's African-American, I do have some hints there of he or shes being black but I don't make a stereotype out of it either. And no, an Afro is not a stereotype--if I felt it worked for the character--thats what I use.


http://expotato.deviantart.com/art/CUNNING-NINJA-PLEASE-78872310

The fro is a bit odd...but excellent work nontheless. FYI is she was real..I'd hit that.:wonder:

I hope that those characters do make it in SF4. That way we'll have characters from EVERY SF installment.

[DaDesiCanadian]

That's some of the MOST disturbing, creepy children I have ever seen.



Seriously. Is "Eureka" Japanese for "Children of the Corn"?

[Hatred Edge]

I venture to think that the japanese are all weird new-type pedos.

[0746]

Well, he was claiming "Japan" needs to learn how to draw black people, as if something was wrong with how Elena looked. I really don't understand people sometimes. If someone slapped a big nose and huge lips on her they would claim stereotyping--but if someone decides to have some ethnic features but not exxagerate them they don't look ethnic enough. I'm not ragging on the guy for saying it but as an artist it just annoys me how fickle people can be sometimes.

When I draw a character that's African-American, I do have some hints there of he or shes being black but I don't make a stereotype out of it either. And no, an Afro is not a stereotype--if I felt it worked for the character--thats what I use.


http://expotato.deviantart.com/art/CUNNING-NINJA-PLEASE-78872310

And no, I'm not implying I'm as good as Kinu either. Just trying to cover all bases.
Thats a very rare left handed swordswomen
Its very african american like to use katanas

[kimo_kata]

I personally wish they'd bring back Makoto. But it's all good though.

[NotGood]

I don't like there to be a lot of women in Street Fighter...

A3 was great with it's diverse cast of characters that had an almost GG-esque unique quality that separated them from other characters. However, most of the girls in that game(besides Rose) catered exclusively to the male Japanese audience(who make the penis-driven teens of our country look like innocent infants).

Characters like Sakura, Karin, and R.mika looked like jailbait, even though their movesets were unique and quite refreshing from the traditional SF cast. Having to fight such a character, who shows their underwear or does provocative moves in every one of their attack animations, is quite disturbing...

In all, 3s, despite it's cramped stages not being my cup of tea, managed to get respectable character designs for women back into Street Fighter.

I hope dearly that SF4 introduces women character designs with a sense of decency(much like Rose and Chun li were in the past).

[kimo_kata]

I don't like there to be a lot of women in Street Fighter...

A3 was great with it's diverse cast of characters that had an almost GG-esque unique quality that separated them from other characters. However, most of the girls in that game(besides Rose) catered exclusively to the male Japanese audience(who make the penis-driven teens of our country look like innocent infants).

Characters like Sakura, Karin, and R.mika looked like jailbait, even though their movesets were unique and quite refreshing from the traditional SF cast. Having to fight such a character, who shows their underwear or does provocative moves in every one of their attack animations, is quite disturbing...
So basicly what you're saying is.... you want a fighting game with sophisticated women. Women you can play as in front of your wife and mom?

[moltron1st]

I doubt they will bring back any female that was in the Street Fighter 3 series at all; SF4 is set between Super Street Fighter 2 Turbo and Street Fighter 3 so whether you guys follow storyline or not, I doubt Elena or Makoto will be in the game...well, unless they like secret characters that don't pertain to the storyline at all. I vote for Sakura, probably Rose, Cammy, of course Chun-Li, and any new females they plan to add (I guess the Crimson Viper chick?) :)

[Parkreiner]

All of the SF3 females can be easily explained, story-wise.

The only characters that would be problematic storyline wise are characters like Twelve and Necro.

[NotGood]

Yep! :woot:

What the hell happened to the feminist movement anyway? Shouldn't women empowerment and gender equality permeate itself into every fabric of our lives, including the games we give our kids to play?

What do little boys learn about women when they play Soul Calibur 3 or GTA? That women are sex objects, with infantile minds that require constant supervision from men to be kept focused?

And don't even get me started on the "bad girls" phenomenon that started during the 1990's, which was a blatant cop out for the feminist movement as it established sex-pot icons in popular media that were "cool" for girls to idolize because they creepily dominated the men around them.

Traditional, sophisticated women character designs should be what Capcom should be looking at for designing new women characters in SF4, not the hormones of their deranged Japanese fanboys.

[RevFirst]

I don't like there to be a lot of women in Street Fighter...

A3 was great with it's diverse cast of characters that had an almost GG-esque unique quality that separated them from other characters. However, most of the girls in that game(besides Rose) catered exclusively to the male Japanese audience(who make the penis-driven teens of our country look like innocent infants).

Characters like Sakura, Karin, and R.mika looked like jailbait, even though their movesets were unique and quite refreshing from the traditional SF cast. Having to fight such a character, who shows their underwear or does provocative moves in every one of their attack animations, is quite disturbing...

In all, 3s, despite it's cramped stages not being my cup of tea, managed to get respectable character designs for women back into Street Fighter.

I hope dearly that SF4 introduces women character designs with a sense of decency(much like Rose and Chun li were in the past).

The only character that was pushing it was R. Mika but I honestly don't care. As long as the game's not DOA inspired, I'm fine with it.

[Gutter Trash]

I preffer women who are fighters and over 18.

I don't understand this kind of pedo obsession of making new female fighters under 18 all the time.

Check the differneces between new male characters and new female characters when there are new SF additions.

Cammy in Super was 16, Sakura duh, Makoto super young, Ibuki Teen, Karin same as Sakura, Elena is a student of some sort (not sure about age), R.Mika is probably a proffesional but apeared as a bit of a clownish joke characters a materializes a wrestling ring.

The only adult women in SF are Chun-Li, Rose and........ and.... hum.... see my point?

Make new female characters as fighters and not sailor scouts.

[NotGood]

I preffer women who are fighters and over 18.

I don't understand this kind of pedo obsession of making new female fighters under 18 all the time.

Check the differneces between new male characters and new female characters when there are new SF additions.

Cammy in Super was 16, Sakura duh, Makoto super young, Ibuki Teen, Karin same as Sakura, Elena is a student of some sort (not sure about age), R.Mika is probably a proffesional but apeared as a bit of a clownish joke characters a materializes a wrestling ring.

The age of the characters does not really matter, as retarded Japanese artists can still draw a pedo and just write her off as "18".

Although this pedo obsession seriously does need to stop....the 3s characters you listed do not seem to have the whole blatant cash-in sex appeal as the others do. They may be 16, but their character designs are quite conservative and relevant to their backgrounds.

Seriously........I want WOMEN in Street Fighter 4 for god's sake. :mad:

[Chrno]

I'm pretty sure SF3 characters will make it. I'm sure something will happen that'll allow every character in the SF universe to come.

And that picture looks great, but Viper looks out of place to me...nobody's ever really looked like her. Juli/Juni maybe. sorta. Not really...

I'm also sure the other 4 new challengers will come too. Link 2 and 3 together will be easy if they put all the characters in there to make some deus ex machina type of storyline like they did with ingrid. But they can also be serious if they wanted to...I hope the latter.

[Serpent]

Well, he was claiming "Japan" needs to learn how to draw black people, as if something was wrong with how Elena looked. I really don't understand people sometimes. If someone slapped a big nose and huge lips on her they would claim stereotyping--but if someone decides to have some ethnic features but not exxagerate them they don't look ethnic enough. I'm not ragging on the guy for saying it but as an artist it just annoys me how fickle people can be sometimes.

When I draw a character that's African-American, I do have some hints there of he or shes being black but I don't make a stereotype out of it either. And no, an Afro is not a stereotype--if I felt it worked for the character--thats what I use.


http://expotato.deviantart.com/art/CUNNING-NINJA-PLEASE-78872310

And no, I'm not implying I'm as good as Kinu either. Just trying to cover all bases.

I'd have no problems with how they drew Black people if that is what they were really doing.

How about drawing Asian characters with Asian features then? You know, squinty eyes, terrible teeth, flat noses and odd facial structures, 12 year old boy bodies on the females...what, all that is racist? Hey, that stuff isn't even an exaggeration, it's not stereotyping!

Black people look far more like white people than Japs and other East Asians do. Yet Japan draws Asians to be imperceptible from white people, while black people are all super exaggerated. That's an example of racism, to treat one race differently than another.

As for the mangina tool in this thread, stop looking at fighting game chars and repeating back women's studies nonsense on SRK. You won't get laid for it, and it just looks stupid. Go outside and interact with some real women. Go join some sort of martial arts and fight women if you want, and then fight the men there too. When you find women that can compete with the top men, then go to Capcom and demand the female chars in SF be modeled after these women. That should keep you occupied until you die.

[vasili10]

Cammy in Super was 16,

19. She was 15-16 in Zero 3.

[Gutter Trash]

oh, yeah, my bad. I fucked up. Cammy is legal, she's cool then.

[Azrael]

Characters like Sakura, Karin, and R.mika looked like jailbait, even though their movesets were unique and quite refreshing from the traditional SF cast. Having to fight such a character, who shows their underwear or does provocative moves in every one of their attack animations, is quite disturbing...
...Huh?

Karin didn't have that many moves where her skirt flew up, and even if she did, she was wearing bicycle shorts so it didn't matter anyway. R.Mika had the big'uns but she didn't really have any "provactive" moves (the flying ass smack is just funny). Sakura was the only one really pushing it, and compared to some other games (*cough*Soul Calibur Sophitia*cough*) it wasn't even that bad.

[Lebowsk1]

Characters like Sakura, Karin, and R.mika looked like jailbait
Nah, you're way off the mark re: Rainbow Mika. She's often referred to by fanboys as the 'thickest' of Capcom's chicks.

And in defense of Sakura and Karin: if you're not being perverted, you can view them as legitimate parodies of Ryu and Ken.

even though their movesets were unique and quite refreshing from the traditional SF cast. Having to fight such a character, who shows their underwear
If you find that disturbing, have you ever actually stopped and looked at some of E.Hondas frames where you can basically see his ballbags?

I mean don't get me wrong: I'm no fan of the Arcana Heart school of character design. But I also find it a uniquely striking image to see a schoolgirl battling a giant robot/demon/master fighter/demi-god and actually doing more damage with a standing fierce. Call it feminist/camp/perverted/ironic, whatever: seems to be here to stay.

But then at the same time I think for example Elena being made school age was unneccesary. She could have represented the post-teen females in that game, along with of course the legendary 3S Chun Li design (heheh, forgot about her when discussing Mika's 'thickness' above)

[Manx]

What are you all talking about kids when Rose is about to pop out of her outit*... I mean outfit?





*that was a serious Freudian typo...

[LoyalistRevolt]

Y is C. Viper in there C.Viper is a dude.....

[Cronopio]

I don't understand this kind of pedo obsession of making new female fighters under 18 all the time.

You know, 18 is not the universal age of consent.

About the magazine cover: if all those are going to be in SFIV, this is the best news ever.

[moltron1st]

The only character that was pushing it was R. Mika but I honestly don't care. As long as the game's not DOA inspired, I'm fine with it.

same here I hate that game

[Serpent]

You know, 18 is not the universal age of consent.

About the magazine cover: if all those are going to be in SFIV, this is the best news ever.

I think it probably is in Japan though, just based on something I think i remember Az mentioning (a cop trying to warn him about some underage skanks, whom if memory serves Az mentioned were 17 or so).

But even so, they are video game characters, they are fictional, and it's retarded because of that on several levels. Look, I am not one to advocate people having sex but...man...some of you kids really need to get laid, I'm sorry. I think this is how Zulu must feel everytime someone says something really, really gay and he has to call them out for it.

[blufang]

Fighting games have always had women as eye candy. Starting with Chun Li way back in SF2, and it goes on with characters like Morrigan, Sophita, Tina, Mai, Elena, R Mika, Jam, etc. the list goes on and on. Video games are played predominantly by males....and fighting games even more so, therefore there is always an eye candy character or two (or much more) in these games. Obviously unrealistic, so a woman looking like a lingerie model and wearing heels is going to fight a 300 pound grappler or a ripped muay thai specialist? There have been a few females created who actually look like they could realistically kick ass (Makoto, Baiken). I like C Viper she looks like she can fight, and SF4 Chun Li with her Zangief sized legs and thick frame looks like a female fighter would in the real world. Hopefully the other females added will also be more in the vein of these two...but I think there will be a few eye candy characters as well.

[True Grave]

On the subject of previous SF girls making a return, we know chun-li is among them for sure, but i'd also really like to see Sakura & Makoto back in IV.

And in defense of Sakura and Karin: if you're not being perverted, you can view them as legitimate parodies of Ryu and Ken.

Interesting...i knew sakura was the Ryu parody/wannabe, but never made that connection of Karin and Ken before.

[Serpent]

Video games are played predominantly by males....and fighting games even more so, therefore there is always an eye candy character or two (or much more) in these games. Obviously unrealistic, so a woman looking like a lingerie model and wearing heels is going to fight a 300 pound grappler or a ripped muay thai specialist?

Are you saying there would be differences if fighting games were played predominantly by females?

Go to the grocery store. Look at the women's magazines, designed by women with readership that is predominantly if not entirely female. What do you see? Pictures of scantily clad women on the cover.

Go to the girls section in a toy store. What do you see? Scantily clad female "dolls" that can be dressed and undressed, but pretty much always have clothing that would shame even fighting game characters. These are primarily or totally used by little girls. So Barbie objectifies girls into being materialistic sex objects? Maybe it should be pulled off the shelves.

Now go to a mall, a club, or a college campus. How are the females dressed? There are quite many that are dressed rather scantily, again, male designed for a male audience? If you ask women they say they dress up for other women, not men.

Now, finally, go attend a sporting contest with women. Suggestions: Tennis, Gymnastics, Figure Skating or even MMA. For the most part the women are dressed minimally. It's just conducive to athletics. Primary audience? Well for tennis it's male because men want to look at those women and apparently have not discovered the internet yet, and for MMA when it's Gina Carano, but otherwise maybe some women watch it I dunno, I don't think anyone watches women's sports because they are so awful.

The people in this thread are claiming women are being objectified and are attacking men as a whole for it. I don't see how any rational human being can just go jump to that conclusion, especially after the things I've listed. Typical feminism is to demand women be handed positions and given the illusion of equality or superiority when physically or results wise that is straight up delusional, while when it suits women to immediately claim a victim status. That is, apparently these weak females are just as strong as men and are better fighters even, but then they are victims of domestic abuse because they are clearly weaker than men. The contradiction is completely ignored there, as to how females can simultaneously be as capable as men while being excused for being incapable.

This is a common theme in everything. It's extended to the police force, firefighters but worst of all in the military. Fighting games are fictional so it's not really all that big of a deal, but the whining about the character models of female fictional creations while simultaneously assigning blame to men and then condemning men is idiotic. If feminists made these games the women would be just as scantily clad, if not more so, and all the men would just be cowardly wimps that got beat up all the time.

[DevilJin 01]

There goes the thread...

[mcginnis]

Serpent's got that Roll Cancel for arguments. :lol: Completely agree.

[Xenozip.]

Also, Melty Blood.

Aoko Aozaki. Blue jeans and a t-shirt.

Arcueid Brunestud, sweater and long skirt.

Know what? That game is still classified as pedo loli moe bullshit, even though there's not a single panty shot or any trace of fanservice anywhere (with the exception of Ren BHAD which no one ever ever ever uses).

Serpent is absolutely right. If you think women should be covering themselves up in games you're missing the point entirely; it's not FOR you.

R.Mika had the big'uns but she didn't really have any "provactive" moves (the flying ass smack is just funny). Except that the official names for those moves were Flying Peach and Shooting Peach.

:rofl:

[EveryFlowerFlow]

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[Clear Sky]

If anything, Elena looks like a Ganguro to me, because of the stupid expression on her face, and the white colored lipstick. Especially the color of her lipstick, because I don't see too many actual black chicks wear white lipstick.

[kimo_kata]

If anything, Elena looks like a Ganguro to me, because of the stupid expression on her face, and the white colored lipstick. Especially the color of her lipstick, because I don't see too many actual black chicks wear white lipstick.

You obviously aint been to alabama.

[Gutter Trash]

You obviously aint been to alabama.

Alabamans and Kenyans wouldn't share the same physic due to the heavy diet of the South. Like all of the Southern states and a bit of the South West relish too much in deep fried cuisine (whites and blacks).

Lots of olympic marathon gold medalists are Kenyans with slender, tall physics and posses great stamina.

Elena deserves more props IMO, she has the potential of being a greater character by speeding up the start ups of her specials.

I agree that he white lipstick looks ridiculous for her to be caricatured like that.
They should portray her with more grace and elegance like in her winning poses and concept art.

[kenjiharima]

Look at Elena here at the Ryu Final Manga. She's drawn nicely.

http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f154/harimadez/SRgame/sakuraganban03.jpg

I suggest CAPCOM re-hire Masahiko Nakihara as the Illustrator. He draws pretty badass. I like his works.

[Nokato]

Look at Elena here at the Ryu Final Manga. She's drawn nicely.

http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f154/harimadez/SRgame/sakuraganban03.jpg

I suggest CAPCOM re-hire Masahiko Nakihara as the Illustrator. He draws pretty badass. I like his works.

I'm a huge fan of Nakihara. I feel as if he still represents "old-school" Capcom. And honestly I feel that its alot better than Udon's previous efforts with the SF comic.

[kenjiharima]

I'm a huge fan of Nakihara. I feel as if he still represents "old-school" Capcom. And honestly I feel that its alot better than Udon's previous efforts with the SF comic.

THAT IS SO TRUE DUDE!

He does the art and also makes the storyline! This guy is brilliant! A genius in this kind of genre.

[crazydiamond]

Elena's all well and good but I want SF4 to have a real mean as black woman.

Like take Grace Jones but turn that shit down a notch.

[Serpent]

Elena's all well and good but I want SF4 to have a real mean as black woman.

Like take Grace Jones but turn that shit down a notch.

It should be a heavyset middle aged black mother type. I might not buy the slender white girl with high heels as a legitimate threat, but even the thuggiest thug is scared of the typical black momma.

[Dai_]

It should be a heavyset middle aged black mother type. I might not buy the slender white girl with high heels as a legitimate threat, but even the thuggiest thug is scared of the typical black momma.

http://www.goatworthy.net/AUNT%20JEMIMA.jpg

[Serpent]

http://www.goatworthy.net/AUNT%20JEMIMA.jpg

Haha dude you know she'd beat the snot out of like Sean, Dan, Sakura etc easily. Like she should have a rolling pin as a weapon. She'd be automatically mid tier at least.

[Sasmasta]

If anything, Elena looks like a Ganguro to me, because of the stupid expression on her face, and the white colored lipstick. Especially the color of her lipstick, because I don't see too many actual black chicks wear white lipstick.

:rofl:

[Lebowsk1]

I just wanted to talk here about my concerns about the Crimson Viper design, and how I think it fits in (or not) with the way Capcom have been designing their female chars.

Seems to me that Capcom have gradually shifted the stereotype of female characters fighting styles in a very empowering way. Originally, in very oldskool games like side-scrollers and the like, the idea was that the female characters could move and kick fast but not punch well, sometimes they had a weapon, and they usually took a lot of damage.

Then look at Alpha. One of Sakura's throws is a straight-up strength grapple (the choke), Karin has a 360 and both of them have a guard bar that shames most of the male characters (esp. sak). Rainbow Mika I think has the most throws in the game.

3rd Strike continues this. Chun Li, well SAII is just beastly in raw power, but most of all Makoto has a throw where she just lifts up her opponent in front of her, and she has a one-armed punch sweep, her stamina is equal to the average male characters (superior to Yun/Yang) and her Stun is probably best in the game.

[edit: although of course Elena is pretty much the classic female character archetype from the oldskool I mentioned earlier]

I mean personally, on a perverted note, I think there's probably a little too much fan service in Alpha and not quite enough in 3rd Strike (jeezuz Mak's hands and feet are HUGE arent they? Eugh). But whatever you say about that aspect, there's no denying that these are some KICK ASS FEMALES.

... now you look at Crimson Viper. She's got a ton of weapons and explosives that she uses in place of physical power. I guess it's cool in the sense that maybe Makoto represented a slight shift too far, and Viper is bringing some gender equality back to the fighting styles of the genders (it wouldnt do to emasculate male chars), but well I guess I'm just looking forward to seeing some female characters in SFIV that can bring the rukkus without all that flashy shit. I mean jeez, look at C.Viper's jumping kick thing, looks kinda awesome but just a bit OTT wouldnt you say?

As for SFIV Chunners, well, I'm not particularly blown away as I can't see how they can really follow up 3S Chun.

EDIT: also I don't really think realism comes into this debate, as we are talking about games were people can throw fireballs.

[Kataklysmic]

My opinion of Viper's changed a lot since she was first revealed. But that Inspector Gadget fighting style is the one thing about her I still don't like. It looks cool, but how can she kick with a flame thrower and not burn herself? Ken at least has an excuse because his flames are chi-based.

[blufang]

Serpent I think you are blowing my whole post out of proportion. Did I say I didn't like eye candy? Maybe I implied it with the lingerie model thing...just I prefer it when the female looks like she could kick ass, if she looks hot as hell that's a bonus for sure. SF has always struck me as a dignified series, and for example I liked SF2's chun li even though she was hot she also looked tough. So I would prefer if they don't include an R. Mika who hits you with her butt then does a sexy pose...ok it's nice to gawk at...but I mean why would anyone even block that attack...you would want to be hit by it. Sure if the female is hot thats all good, but since SF fighters (especially SF2) have always looked like people you wouldn't want to mess with, I would prefer if the females in SF4 look like they could kick your ass.

[Are_you_okay?!]

Look at Elena here at the Ryu Final Manga. She's drawn nicely.

http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f154/harimadez/SRgame/sakuraganban03.jpg

I suggest CAPCOM re-hire Masahiko Nakihara as the Illustrator. He draws pretty badass. I like his works.

Gill looks like he just shot a red and blue wad in his diaper.

Elena has to be in it, she is one of the best female characters design wise in fighting games, I love her to death in 3's.

[NotGood]

As for the mangina tool in this thread, stop looking at fighting game chars and repeating back women's studies nonsense on SRK. You won't get laid for it, and it just looks stupid. Go outside and interact with some real women. Go join some sort of martial arts and fight women if you want, and then fight the men there too. When you find women that can compete with the top men, then go to Capcom and demand the female chars in SF be modeled after these women. That should keep you occupied until you die.

Oh well....thanks for educating me Serpent, I definitely needed that healthy dose of reality to get my testosterone flowing again.

Yeah all that feminist nonsense was stupid and irrelevant now that look back at it, my mind must have been messed up while I was doing a report on changes in America after World War II for my AP United States History class. I really got to stop visiting SRK when I'm doing my homework...

I still want sophisticated women in SF4 though, although I won't complain if they put some other kind of woman character type in the game....

[{PFH}-Lake]

Karin

[wolf_1]

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you win this thradz

[Lebowsk1]

Well as Serpant said, fighting games are fictional so it doesnt matter that much, but a very decent female BJJ fighter could defeat a good male boxer in a MMA match. Obviously the top BJJ guys would then defeat her in turn, but y'know, the fighting style counts for a lot too.

[UltraDavid]

So is that (clockwise from top left) someone new, Elena, Cammy, Chun, Rose, someone new, and Viper?

Interesting.

[CaliLifeStyle]

So is that (clockwise from top left) someone new, Elena, Cammy, Chun, Rose, someone new, and Viper?

Interesting.

The other girl is Sakura I thing.

[Spinning Beat]

So is that (clockwise from top left) someone new, Elena, Cammy, Chun, Rose, someone new, and Viper?

Interesting.

Its Ibuki and Sakura, lol

[crazydiamond]

My opinion of Viper's changed a lot since she was first revealed. But that Inspector Gadget fighting style is the one thing about her I still don't like. It looks cool, but how can she kick with a flame thrower and not burn herself? Ken at least has an excuse because his flames are chi-based.

She can because she's fictional.

[Kataklysmic]

She can because she's fictional.

I don't know if you've heard, but not every possible thing in fiction is probable.

[Sagatryu]

maybe her shoes are fire proof?

[TrueSephiroth]

Someone needs to find a cleaner and bigger version of the artwork on the cover of that magazine, it looks fucking awesome! :rock:

Hell, I'd be happy with just the cover scan, but better quality. If anyone can do that, many thanks to you in advance :lovin:

Would love to see Sakura back honestly, just to see where she now stands with her abilities and all. Elena returning would rock too, somehow it's doubtful for SFIII females simply because of storyline purposes "unless" Capcom changes a few things of course.

I'm game for the many of the returning Capcom females, would be awesome.

[Marty]

I don't know if you've heard, but not every possible thing in fiction is probable.

what the FUCK does that even mean?

everything in fiction is possible and probable if the creator so wishes it, because IT'S FICTION.

[Vegett0]

Someone needs to find a cleaner and bigger version of the artwork on the cover of that magazine, it looks fucking awesome! :rock:

Hell, I'd be happy with just the cover scan, but better quality. If anyone can do that, many thanks to you in advance :lovin:

I'd like this as well.

[Shungokustasu]

How come Elena only gets a head shot? What's up Capcom? I know the secret. Japanese women are jealous of black women. It's a known fact.

[The Lone Dragon]

How come Elena only gets a head shot? What's up Capcom?

Wow. Elena got owned on that cover...peeking out like an afterthought. At least she's there, though...

Anyways, nothing much to add other than more support for Elena's inclusion in SF4 or any future SF endeavors.

To echo the thoughts of many here, she has the potential for wonderful development. And, as the only African representative in the series, she's sorta invaluable, isn't she? WORLD Warriors, indeed...

Plus, her fighting style has excellent precedents in 3D...Eddy, Christie, Soiree, a little Hayabusa...

[Serpent]

Well as Serpant said, fighting games are fictional so it doesnt matter that much, but a very decent female BJJ fighter could defeat a good male boxer in a MMA match. Obviously the top BJJ guys would then defeat her in turn, but y'know, the fighting style counts for a lot too.

No she couldn't. Even world class bjj gets beaten by shitty boxing. Look at Arlovski-Werdum.

By fictional I meant the weight-height-strenght differences don't matter as much. Since the females have some sorta powerup. Morrigan is a monster, Cammy is genetically enhanced, etc. Chun and Sak are stupid though.

[Lebowsk1]

No she couldn't. Even world class bjj gets beaten by shitty boxing. Look at Arlovski-Werdum.
Must have been either a lucky shot, or the "boxer" was also trained in some grappling. I know strikers are making something of a comeback in mma, but only 'cos they learnt to cross train and learn some grappling too.

I'd have thought this was the basic idea:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JjK0g-cDJI4

And to get back on topic, it's very rare to find footage of a male vs female mma match for all kinds of reasons, but here's one that I think kinda proves my point (which is that a female skilled in grappling is able to defeat a male striker, I'm not claiming more than the fact that it is possible tho):
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6500370861940934197

Now you can say "that dude's a wuss" and yes there will always be tougher/better guys out there who can beat the woman, but the point is that here we have two trained fighters, the dude being primarily a striker, and he was beat by a chick.

(although yeah the woman in that vid was a beast by any standards and probably had a weight advantage herself. The match may have actually finished a draw, I'm not sure, but you can see from the match that she more than held her own)
By fictional I meant the weight-height-strenght differences don't matter as much. Since the females have some sorta powerup. Morrigan is a monster, Cammy is genetically enhanced, etc. Chun and Sak are stupid though.
You can right off 99% of SF moves as "stupid" because they arent realistic. Someone posting here made the great point that if Shaun stayed in the mount position after his shoot-grab-g+p move, then he'd be top-tier.

I think the most important thing to do is make sure there is some kind of plausibility to moves. For example, the females in Arcana Heart do not look like they have any force behind their moves, they look like they are just waving in the general direction of their opponent. But that's mainly down to the animators skill because Sakura, when she throws that far standing fierce, it looks like a proper punch. Sure, maybe not enough to juggle a sumo wrestler (but then what is?), but it looks like it's thrown properly and has force behind it. That's all I ask from characters: that they look like they are actually fighting, whether male or female.

[mcginnis]

Must have been either a lucky shot, or the "boxer" was also trained in some grappling. I know strikers are making something of a comeback in mma, but only 'cos they learnt to cross train and learn some grappling too.

I'd have thought this was the basic idea:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JjK0g-cDJI4

And to get back on topic, it's very rare to find footage of a male vs female mma match for all kinds of reasons, but here's one that I think kinda proves my point (which is that a female skilled in grappling is able to defeat a male striker, I'm not claiming more than the fact that it is possible tho):
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6500370861940934197

Now you can say "that dude's a wuss" and yes there will always be tougher/better guys out there who can beat the woman, but the point is that here we have two trained fighters, the dude being primarily a striker, and he was beat by a chick.

(although yeah the woman in that vid was a beast by any standards and probably had a weight advantage herself. The match may have actually finished a draw, I'm not sure, but you can see from the match that she more than held her own)

You can right off 99% of SF moves as "stupid" because they arent realistic. Someone posting here made the great point that if Shaun stayed in the mount position after his shoot-grab-g+p move, then he'd be top-tier.

I think the most important thing to do is make sure there is some kind of plausibility to moves. For example, the females in Arcana Heart do not look like they have any force behind their moves, they look like they are just waving in the general direction of their opponent. But that's mainly down to the animators skill because Sakura, when she throws that far standing fierce, it looks like a proper punch. Sure, maybe not enough to juggle a sumo wrestler (but then what is?), but it looks like it's thrown properly and has force behind it. That's all I ask from characters: that they look like they are actually fighting, whether male or female.

Wow, if the title didn't say that was a woman It'd be pretty hard to tell. Chick is larger than that skinny guy and looks more pumped up. :rofl: I don't really care too much about which characters are gonna be in this game. I know the main ones would probably pop up. As far as fighting styles go, I think that females are getting a fairly good variation. Try to name something that hasn't been done in a fighter, it's pretty hard. They already have samurai, ninja, shoto, kung fu, assasin, psychic, and virtually everythijng else that males have.

[Shinkuu Tatsumaki]

Try to name something that hasn't been done in a fighter, it's pretty hard. They already have samurai, ninja, shoto, kung fu, assasin, psychic, and virtually everythijng else that males have.

I agree, everything has pretty much been done in a fighter. Even the fighting systems, there's only so many systems that actually sound good that they can come up with. Same with the characters. So if it sounds like a rip-off from another game, deal with it. If you can come up with an original fighter, let's hear it.

The only reason why a character sounds like a rip-off of another game, is because you've played too many fighting games. For me, I never touched the KOF series. So all these new characters look fresh to me and when I hear someone say "omg! this character is a kof rip-off!", I don't know what they're talking about.

C.Viper is cool in my book. Abel and El Fuerte are so-so. I think Hugo/Alex are both cooler than Abel/Fuerte. I'm not too big of a fan of grapplers anyway though so I have a bias against them already.

[Kataklysmic]

what the FUCK does that even mean?

everything in fiction is possible and probable if the creator so wishes it, because IT'S FICTION.

Even fiction needs some degree of reality, or else Batman would grow wings.

[Sagatryu]

human's in general are stronger in ficton like comics and anime then they are in real life. the peak strength for a human is higher in anime then it is in comics, Fighting games tend to follow close to anime in terms of how strong characters can get.

[Kataklysmic]

human's in general are stronger in ficton like comics and anime then they are in real life. the peak strength for a human is higher in anime then it is in comics, Fighting games tend to follow close to anime in terms of how strong characters can get.

That's not what I'm saying. If you hold two cans of spray paint and keep the valves pressed down, and you start swinging your fists around like you're in a boxing match, you're going to get paint all over yourself.

Now look at Viper's moves. Those flames cover so much space around her and she's doing acrobatics. If the flame's were chi-based, like in Ken's DP, I think it would be more credible. But as it is, it doesn't make sense even by fictional standards.

[kenjiharima]

One more female to add to the roaster? What you think? Or are you guys satisfied with the current roaster?

[Marty]

Now look at Viper's moves. Those flames cover so much space around her and she's doing acrobatics. If the flame's were chi-based, like in Ken's DP, I think it would be more credible. But as it is, it doesn't make sense even by fictional standards.

What "fictional standards"? You can't just arbitrary decide that humans PRODUCING FIRE is more reasonable than not getting burned from stray flames.

You can't claim something infinitely more feasible than generating fire and electricity isn't "credible" because it doesn't keep in with the pseudo physics you've conjured for the Street Fighter world.

[Sasmasta]

One more female to add to the roaster? What you think? Or are you guys satisfied with the current roaster?

Add Poison. That'll be like a loophole. Everyone's happy...till the arguments start about his/her gender.

:nunchuck:

[Nokato]

One more female to add to the roaster? What you think? Or are you guys satisfied with the current roaster?

I would honestly like another new female character in the game but everyone seems to be happy with a 90% sausage fest lol. Nonetheless whatever new character comes out I'll just accept it really.


Everyone talking about C-Viper's moves, I don't see the huge issue if we can accept a man who can stretch his limbs far and wide, and a sumo wrestler that can plow himself into you like a missle. I don't find her so hard to accept, in fact she's one of the designs I actually like in the game. Albeit I don't truly feel the pompadour braid thing in 3-d, however Kinu drew her pretty well in the new Famitsu magazine.

[Are_you_okay?!]

Add Poison. That'll be like a loophole. Everyone's happy...till the arguments start about his/her gender.

:nunchuck:

Poison would be an awesome choice actually. If I had Poison and Elena I'd be a happy fighter, seriously to much guy to girl ratio right now.

[FightingGames4ever]

One more female to add to the roaster? What you think? Or are you guys satisfied with the current roaster?

Mmm no, I would like at least 5 new female characters

[Parkreiner]

What does it matter what gender the character is?

[FightingGames4ever]

What does it matter what gender the character is?

Personally I prefer female characters

[Parkreiner]

Personally I prefer female characters

Well, that's great.

So you'd love it if Capcom just created 5 horrible female characters to satisfy a bunch of ronery drooling fanboys?

Apparently, quantity is more important than quality.

[nGuman]

Well, that's great.

So you'd love it if Capcom just created 5 horrible female characters to satisfy a bunch of ronery drooling fanboys?

Apparently, quantity is more important than quality.

Ouch, wouldn't want to see that. I rather see one girl who has the potential to kick half of the male roster's ass than having one guy having the potential to kick half of the female roster's.

[FightingGames4ever]

I'm not saying this, but I see that 2 girls on 12 characters are a few!
And there coudl be also horrible male characters, it doesn't depend on sex I think

[Parkreiner]

What does it matter if there's only 2 females if those 2 females are good?

[FightingGames4ever]

What does it matter if there's only 2 females if those 2 females are good?

On this point I'm agree with you, I didn't understood what you mean sorry

[karate_ghost]

One more female to add to the roaster? What you think? Or are you guys satisfied with the current roaster?

probably a taekwondo chick, but then again, i'm really satisfied with any type of woman. just hope capcom can make the new woman show some potential.:lovin:

[Kataklysmic]

What "fictional standards"?

For lack of a better phrase, that things make sense no matter how bizarre.

Just because something's fictional doesn't mean anything should happen on a whim. If you could really get away with it, then every story or character, no matter how senseless, would have equally good reception.

You can't just arbitrary decide that humans PRODUCING FIRE is more reasonable than not getting burned from stray flames.

You can't claim something infinitely more feasible than generating fire and electricity isn't "credible" because it doesn't keep in with the pseudo physics you've conjured for the Street Fighter world.

So Viper not getting burned during a move is feasible, while Charlie getting killed in an explosion isn't?

Dhalsim is the ONLY character that "produces fire", but even that has a written explanation. As any canon geek would know, that was inherited through a fire god (check the Plot Guide). Aside from that and a few psychic characters (Rose, Bison and Ingrid) and a couple of demigods (Gill and Urien), fireballs are nothing but exaggerated chi, and other moves like Honda's headbutt and stretching limbs are fighting techniques on steroids.

What about Viper? She has no chi, no mystical relations of any kind; just very unrealistic gadgets. Well, I can buy the electrified gloves, but I don't know of any military or agency in the world that would put a flame-thrower inside a shoe.

[BadMojo]

I think the easy answer to this debate is, Viper wears fireproof clothing.

[Kataklysmic]

But not fireproof skin and hair. :rofl:

[Shinkuu Tatsumaki]

Clearly she has trained her mind and body to withstand the heat.

[Serpent]

This thread is an abortion and most of you should die in a fire.

[MajinRyu]

I think the easy answer to this debate is, Viper wears fireproof clothing.

so Dhalsim fire ball is useless against her?

[BadMojo]

so Dhalsim fire ball is useless against her?

She exposes cleavage, that is enough.

But seriously, there shouldn't even be a debate over this in the first place. Movies break the laws of science all the time. Lasers that show a straight line despite the room being clear of dust? Jumping through glass and not suffering a single cut? No one goes up in arms over these oversights so it shouldn't be any different in video games.

[Marty]

For lack of a better phrase, that things make sense no matter how bizarre.

Just because something's fictional doesn't mean anything should happen on a whim. If you could really get away with it, then every story or character, no matter how senseless, would have equally good reception.

Are you even hearing yourself? "That things make sense no matter how bizarre"? There's no "general rule" of how fiction-y something needs to be for it to "work". Stop being dumb.

So Viper not getting burned during a move is feasible, while Charlie getting killed in an explosion isn't?

Never mind the "story" bullshit. Stay on track.

Dhalsim is the ONLY character that "produces fire", but even that has a written explanation. As any canon geek would know, that was inherited through a fire god (check the Plot Guide). Aside from that and a few psychic characters (Rose, Bison and Ingrid) and a couple of demigods (Gill and Urien), fireballs are nothing but exaggerated chi, and other moves like Honda's headbutt and stretching limbs are fighting techniques on steroids.

What about Viper? She has no chi, no mystical relations of any kind; just very unrealistic gadgets. Well, I can buy the electrified gloves, but I don't know of any military or agency in the world that would put a flame-thrower inside a shoe.

The semantics of how they "produce" fire aside, it's an incredible double standard to say that Ken's flaming fist and Dhalsim's fire breathing are reasonable because they were awarded by the gods, or from "chi" manipulation, but Viper's lack of burns from her fire attacks is INSANITY.

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what am I even doing? This is such a ridiculous discussion.

[Kataklysmic]

all talk and no arguments

I see someone's getting bent outta shape.

[Gojira]

What about Viper? She has no chi, no mystical relations of any kind; just very unrealistic gadgets. Well, I can buy the electrified gloves, but I don't know of any military or agency in the world that would put a flame-thrower inside a shoe.

Feasible or not I don't really care, but I'm pretty sure they're supposed to be rocket shoes, not flame-throwers.

[Lebowsk1]

This thread is an abortion and most of you should die in a fire.

Or if you're Crimson Viper, apparently not.

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[kenjiharima]

so Dhalsim fire ball is useless against her?

Not just her cleavage. Her face is also exposed.

Didn't Chunli got kicked by C.Viper in the promotional intro? Her face wasn't even burned... :looney:

[Nokato]

Why is this even being argued about? I have my gripes about SF4 but damn--comes off like people are searching the bottom of the barrel. The only thing I've really gotten out of this thread besides that is people really don't like female characters in fighting games much around here.

And for the record, I'm not some loli-fighter fan.

[Lebowsk1]

Why is this even being argued about? I have my gripes about SF4 but damn--comes off like people are searching the bottom of the barrel. The only thing I've really gotten out of this thread besides that is people really don't like female characters in fighting games much around here.

And for the record, I'm not some loli-fighter fan.

I definitely wish there were more, but they'd have to be good characters otherwise you'd never see them in action anyway.

[Nokato]

I definitely wish there were more, but they'd have to be good characters otherwise you'd never see them in action anyway.

Well thats always the case. I'm just saying initially I'd like to see at least 1 more maybe 2 at the absolute most. The only character I'm really not feeling is El Fuerte. I didn't like Abel at first but he's not intolerable--and seeing him play he seems a little more interesting.

[lamewadd]

Or if you're Crimson Viper, apparently not.

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:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::r ofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

I laughed, hard, in the middle of class (almost).

But yeah, SF needs to bring in somebody rocking the big TKD. Ryu will say "hadoken!!!!" and the TKD sucka will be like "NUH UH BITCH!"

[Kataklysmic]

Why is this even being argued about? I have my gripes about SF4 but damn--comes off like people are searching the bottom of the barrel. The only thing I've really gotten out of this thread besides that is people really don't like female characters in fighting games much around here.

You're overreacting. There are countless people here who find the lamest excuses to bash SF4 and wish it to fail, but I'm not one of them. That isn't to say I like every minute detail about it, but I harbor a positive attitude for the game. And I don't know where you got that last impression from.

[karate_ghost]

i guess viper has titanium alloy shoes to direct the flame:rofl:, but really my first guess for the flame when i first say it was chi powered. i think this i probably a lame answer, but it's the only reasonable one i can come up with.

[Lebowsk1]

I'd like to see a female character with a move like Ryomou Shimei (from Ikki Tousen) where she does a hanging reverse triangle choke.

The likes of Cammy have frankensteiners and the like, but that is slightly different as it's a slam. I'm thinking it'd work like Rainbow Mika's daydream headlock but with a suplex at the end (those who have seen Ikki Tousen will know what I mean there).

Can't see Crimson Viper going in for that kind of move, she'd just probably punch the ground and make a fireball.

[DavDz]

Wasn't Ikki Tousen very shitty?

[LoyalistRevolt]

what the FUCK does that even mean?

everything in fiction is possible and probable if the creator so wishes it, because IT'S FICTION.

HAHAHAHA, That was the funniest thing that I have read all day, HAHAHAHAHAH

[Serpent]

Are you even hearing yourself? "That things make sense no matter how bizarre"? There's no "general rule" of how fiction-y something needs to be for it to "work". Stop being dumb.


Who is being stupid? The one advocating a completely non-sensical world simply because of the work being fictitious, or others who point out that an alternate world is still subject to certain constraints in order to make the work the world is set in of any artistic value? A fantasy work full of plot holes and inconsistencies is a shitty and worthless fiction. It is the rambling of a 4 year old who has not yet grasped consistency and rules, and critical value in anything. You are exhibiting that 4 year old's sense of artistic appreciation.

The "general rule" is once suspension of disbelief is impossible, the "fiction" no longer "works." This is judged by the reasonable person standard. Whether a reasonable person of reasonable intellect and ability, reading or viewing that point in contention, finds the particular point ridiculous. Reasonableness can be shown by the reactions of a portion of people.

There have been plenty of works of fiction that broke these rules, and are relegated forever to be either ignored or ridiculed. The writer or creator can not simply claim since it is fiction his work should not be held to any standards. Justice Scalia once told me "Once someone writes something, it is out of their hands, they no longer get to claim how it should be interpreted." He didn't mean it to apply to this case, he actually meant as to statutes, which are SUPPOSED to be interpreted in the first place. Here in fiction, you're not even supposed to be interpreting anything, it's just supposed to be evident and not tested in new situations that couldn't have been forseen when it was written. The creator should know exactly what situations will occur because the work is not released until all of it is written.

Most competent writers will do a logic check to make sure their work is consistent. You would have us ignore all accepted standards in both law and fiction, in order to defend a ridiculous proposition that you yourself indicate is ridiculous to argue over.

And yet, the other person is the idiot?