View Full Version : RESULTS (and some vids) for the First SRK Online Brawl Tourney, Tues March 18, 2008
nasir
03-17-2008, 11:40 AM
Congrats to Raph_Stryker (and your 1 month premium prize courtesy of my wallet)!
Winner of the first (unofficial) SRK Brawl Tourny!
Raph ran through the winners bracket undefeated. We had 28 participants (4 didn't show, neither did most alternates) and it ran pretty smoothly. Took about 3 1/2 hours, including some people with connection issues.
1st Raph
2nd Ceir
3rd Somnus (left before losers finals)
4th The Damned
5th WTP
5th Recipherus
7th Parkreiner
7th Reth
9th Worthless
9th Wallace (left mid tourney)
9th Clever
9th Dios
13th Cyntalan
13th Atreus
13th Shade
13th Bowling Pin
17th Monte
17th Septimus
17th Shinto
17th Quiche
17th Snatcher (NO)
17th Tam
17th Lamewadd
17th Ambiguous
25th KOH
25th Bakuyusan
25th Tempest Fox
25th Lavi
25th Keits
25th Hustleman17
25th UltraDavid
25th IceTrap (NO)
If people really want to know the full rankings, I could try figuring it out later when I'm home from work.
Final Brackets can be seen here
BRACKETS (http://www.cs.ucr.edu/~dkim/BrawlTourney/3_18_08/final.JPG)
Stages used for the initial random stage are here
STAGES (http://www.cs.ucr.edu/~dkim/BrawlTourney/3_18_08/stages.txt)
Results of matches are here
RESULTS (http://www.cs.ucr.edu/~dkim/BrawlTourney/3_18_08/Results.txt)
I'll give some thoughts on the tourny tomorrow, but overall, it seems like it went very well.
I also ran an 8 person round robin after this which lasted 4 rounds. :woot:
Results of the round robin are here
ROUND ROBIN RESULTS (http://www.cs.ucr.edu/~dkim/BrawlTourney/3_18_08_2/round robin results.txt)
Some Videos! Thanks to atreusna
http://forums.shoryuken.com/showpost.php?p=4932879&postcount=139
ONLINE TOURNEY
TUESDAY MARCH-18-2008
6:45PM PST signups starts, Tourney will begin around 7PM (or whenever I managed to get home from work)
Try to arrive early so we can start on time!!
32 ENTRANTS MAX (will expand to 64 if enough people show interest/register)
Rules: (THESE MAYBE BE MODIFIED UP UNTIL TOURNAMENT STARTS, PLEASE KEEP UPDATED ON CHANGES)
-1v1
-2 stock, 3 minutes - BEST OUT OF 5 (3 out of 5 wins)
-DOUBLE ELIMINATION
-Default settings!
-All items on, Spawn rate MEDIUM
-All stages allowed
-First stage will be picked at random (I will tell you what stage first match is on)
-Winner must keep character
-Loser may change character and they will battle on a new random stage
OR
-Loser may keep same character and pick stage.
- On giving it some thought for the first matchup stage (which should be random), since there is no reliable way to see that it was really picked random, I'm thinking I will create a random game on my own system, and assign each pair's first stage for "random". (I will not be entering this tourney as I feel I'll have my hands full organizing).
- If it goes to sudden death, sudden death is in effect
- Match results will be reported to me in the IRC channel.
- If NEITHER player has extra options open (stock with time limit), matches will be played on 3 minute timer. Game ends when timer runs out OR when someone has died twice. At that point the person who has died twice is to stop moving until the timer has run out.
-IF YOU PLAY A TIMED MATCH BECAUSE NEITHER PLAYER HAS EXTRA OPTIONS UNLOCKED, PLEASE NOTIFY ME BEFOREHAND.
Requirements:
-At least 1 empty slot on your brawl friend list (for your opponent each round)
-IRC (match setups/results will be done via IRC) - Connect to channel #srkbrawl on EFNET (http://forums.shoryuken.com/showthread.php?t=151627)
-IF YOU ARE NOT ON IRC (I will tell everyone to enter another channel come tourney time), YOU WILL BE DROPPED FROM THE TOURNEY!
How it will go:
-After matchups are posted, The two opponents will register each other's friend code (if necessary) and begin the game
-I will assign the beginning random stage select for each pair and the game must start on that stage.
-The players pick their char AFTER the stage is announced by me (random out of all possible stages).
-The loser has the option of changing his char and going random stage (request a new random stage from me)
OR
-The loser may keep his character and begin on a stage of his choice.
-Continue playing until one player has won 3 rounds then report results and wait for your next match.
-IF YOU DROP OUT, let me know.
-If you do not respond within 3 minutes of your match, you will be given a loss, so please be prompt/alert. I'm not waiting extra long for anyone and I don't want to have this go all night.
Notes:
This will be an online tournament, capped at 32 players. The time limit is 3 minute, thus replays can be saved.
As Mr.Wizard stated, (http://forums.shoryuken.com/showpost.php?p=4924312&postcount=601) we are seeing how Brawl works.
This is to see whats horribly broken and explore the game, this is why all items are on and settings are on default.
Again. THIS IS TO SEE WHATS HORRIBLY BROKEN AND EXPLORE THE GAME.
IF YOU SEE SOMETHING HORRIBLY WRONG AND BROKEN AND WANT TO MAKE A CASE FOR BANNING,
RECORD THE GAMEPLAY AND CONTACT ME TO SEND IT TO ME.
As such, I do not want complaints about unfair match ups, items are bs, etc. If you do not like these rules, DO NOT ENTER. If you are going to bitch and complain, DO NOT ENTER. If you are willing to make a case for why certain things should be banned, certain rulesets, etc.. then enter and BACK UP YOUR STATEMENTS.
Logistics:
You may sign up here now and I will take the first 32. IF YOU REGISTER, INCLUDE YOUR BRAWL GAMERTAG (5 letter one) SO THAT YOUR OPPONENTS CAN IDENTIFY YOU ON THEIR FRIEND LIST). If 32 people are not commited by tomorrow evening, I will ask in the irc channel. If you are not in the IRC channel at the assigned time 6:45PST, I will remove you and replace you with someone else. If there is a huge response/signups, I may increase the registrant cap to 64. This is unofficial, with no prizes, maybe some moderate bragging rights etc. Rules are unable to be enforced, so I am expecting the honor rule.
The main purpose of this tournament is to HELP ESTABLISH AN EVO RULESET.
You can be a part of that process, so I expect cooperation.
This will probably not run too smoothly, but hopefully we can make this work and future tournies will be run more efficiently.
If you have additional questions/issues/comments regarding these rules or this tournament, post up what you have to say here. I will change rules, requirements, etc as necsesary. Nothing here is set in stone until the tourney begins tomorrow, so please be aware of changes.
Other things:
I know the game is new, and everyone may not have unlocked all characters/stages/options yet. I request if you plan to participate, to have AS MUCH unlocked as possible. Especially at least stages, and extra options. You have a day to unlock as much as possible, since we need to explore all stages at least. Thank you.
Here is a guide for unlocking characters/stages/Extra rules mode (obvious spoilers)
http://www.gamespot.com/wii/action/supersmashbros/hints.html?mode=unlockables
I am also trying to decide what should be done in case of extreme lag and people that can't connect. If you have ideas on how to resolve this, please post up suggestions. As of right now, if two people can't connect..I will attempt to determine which player is the cause. Both players should attemp to host the game. If that still does not work and the person who is the cause is indeterminable, I may have some random way of determining who advances.. maybe Rock/Paper/Scissors or something else if someone can come up with a better suggestion.
I am currently undecided if I should ask everyone to save ALL replays, incase someone claims something is overpowered, there might be another vid where it shows that something is not overpowered.. like dodging Final Smash or dragoon or something.. or maybe we can look for counter arguments in future tournaments.. not sure. Anyone have thoughts/opinions on this?
PS:
This is a non-official unsanctioned SRK tourney, but I am doing this for the benefit of the SRK, SWF, and EVO communities. Any help is appreciated.
Registered
32/32
Recipherus -
Raph_Stryker - [raph]
Lavi - [Lavi]
CyntalanMaelstrom - [cynt]
atreusna - [ANA]
Tam - [TAM]
ParkReiner - [PARK]
Whats The Point - [WPT]
Monte - ??
lamewadd - [SMAK]
Ceirnian - [CIERN]
HuStLeMaN17 - [Jess]
UltraDavid - [ULTRA]
Bowling Pin - [BPIN]
Somnus91 - [Somns]
Shade - [Shade]
Shinto - [Shinto]
Quiche - [QUICH]
The Damned - [Ulyre]
Snatcher - ??
Keits - [KEITS]
Septimus Prime - [SEP]
Worthless - [worth]
Orochi Zoolander - [O.ZOO]
Reth - ??
Tempest Fox - ??
Dios<-X-> - [DiosX]
Ambiguous Crossup - [AXUP]
IceTrap - [ITrap]
Clever - [night]
-=KOH=- -[KOH]
Bakuryusan - ??
[B]Waiting List:
xYourMasterx - [YUGI]
sonicspear64 - [sp64]
kryian - [ron]
wallace - [Ninja]
NOTE: The 32 cap has been hit, I'll still note down people who want to play, as I expect no-shows and drop outs. If enough people show interest, maybe high 40's, low 50's, I may expand the bracket to 64. So if you still want to help the EVO ruleset evolve, sign up.:woot:
Recipherus
03-17-2008, 11:42 AM
I hope this runs smoothly, sign me up.
Tag: BETTY
Raph_Stryker
03-17-2008, 11:49 AM
im down, Raph Stryker is the name, reppin that monkey is my game.
Rekano
03-17-2008, 12:00 PM
Dayum. I can't play in this son :sad:
Work owns my soul...
good luck to every mother fucker who hits this shit!:woot:
Nickel
03-17-2008, 12:04 PM
I can't make it for this. My mother, aunt and uncle are in town and have booked me for dinner plans at 6:30 that night. Good luck to all entrants and I plan to be there for the next one!
CyntalanMaelstrom
03-17-2008, 12:05 PM
Sign me up. I'm not 100% sure I'll be able to, but 90-95% sure. Depends on how the kid is.
Oh, I see what you did there.
Cynt - 0216-0492-6225
atreusna
03-17-2008, 12:06 PM
I'm free, sign me up.
yo I'm here!
But a small suggestion, how the hell do we open up Extra Options for time limit with stock on?
WE NEED DAT!!
Parkreiner
03-17-2008, 12:09 PM
Sign me up!
Nickname- Park
Whats The Point
03-17-2008, 12:26 PM
Signing up, and WTP for Brawl Tag
TheSix
03-17-2008, 12:30 PM
Got piano lessons at that time <_<
Monte
03-17-2008, 12:43 PM
hmmmm maybe I'll get in this just to show people how incredibly broken the run away game on hyrule and new pork is.
lamewadd
03-17-2008, 12:45 PM
I would be game for that...but I have some problems with some players (mainly White Shadow) where we can't connect to eachother, so I dunno if I'd be able to actually participate...
Anyway, 0860-2923-0192 is the code, SMAK is the handle.
--from the other thread.
Ceirnian
03-17-2008, 12:46 PM
Assuming I'm free at that time I'm down.
Pimp Willy
03-17-2008, 12:49 PM
yo I'm here!
But a small suggestion, how the hell do we open up Extra Options for time limit with stock on?
WE NEED DAT!!
Took me forever to figure out as well. Takes 200 KO's. Check in your brawl records data. Special brawl KO's don't count. I just did regular 20 stock, high damage, high speed matches or something, and just kept spamming kills on level 1 computers. Doesn't take too long.
As for the tourney, I'll be out for this one sadly, but I will bring the hype in future tourneys!
HuStLeMaN17
03-17-2008, 12:51 PM
Brawl Code 5370-0126-7595
Nick: Jess
A WC player that wants to play in the tourny, peace and thanks for running this.
UltraDavid
03-17-2008, 12:59 PM
Sweet, 945 eastern time, I'm there.
Bowling Pin
03-17-2008, 01:43 PM
Sign me up.
BPIN
Somnus91
03-17-2008, 01:44 PM
I'm interested...
Somns
Shade
03-17-2008, 01:49 PM
Sign me up fo'shigiddy.
Raph_Stryker
03-17-2008, 01:53 PM
also, "Raph" is my handle
sweet, tomorrow is gonna be awesome.
Shinto
03-17-2008, 02:01 PM
sign me up.
LiftedResearch
03-17-2008, 02:22 PM
Nooo I can't make it to this, work is a bitch...good luck to everyone participating, hopefully I'll make the next one!
TheDarkPhoenix
03-17-2008, 02:24 PM
I'm down, sign me up
quiche
03-17-2008, 02:27 PM
7PM PST? That's pretty late for me (East Coast with 8am class the next day) How late into the night is this thing gonna go?
In any case, I'm really curious as to how this is gonna work, so count me in. Hopefully it'll all be done in a n hour or two.
My brawl tag is QUICH
...seriously.
aquarake
03-17-2008, 02:31 PM
aquarake - [aqua]
The Damned
03-17-2008, 02:38 PM
Today and tomorrow are pretty much the only days that I have off from work all week, so sign me up for breakage.
The Damned is Ulyre.
nasir
03-17-2008, 02:39 PM
7PM PST? That's pretty late for me (East Coast with 8am class the next day) How late into the night is this thing gonna go?
In any case, I'm really curious as to how this is gonna work, so count me in. Hopefully it'll all be done in a n hour or two.
My brawl tag is QUICH
...seriously.
Yeah, sorry about the time frame, unfortunately the earliest i get off of work is 6pm, and its usually a bit later, plus i need time to get home. I don't want to say it'll start 6:30, then get held up at work and have a whole bunch of people with pitchforks looking for my head.
With 32 people, double elim, estimate about 20 minutes per round, i'm hoping it'll be done in at most 3 hours. But since this is the first try, we'll see how it goes. I dont want it to run too late either since i work at 8am too.
Parkreiner
03-17-2008, 02:50 PM
My tag is Park. I edited my first post, but I guess you didn't see it, since I'm still "??".
mastermind
03-17-2008, 02:56 PM
I'm on-call Tuesday nights. BOOOOO!
Oh well. Good luck to everyone! Sorry I can't give you a free win. :rofl:
HuStLeMaN17
03-17-2008, 03:22 PM
Just a heads up if you are using your wii to browse the net www.efnet.org runs on the wii browser for fast access after brawl matches are finished.
AlphaDragoon02
03-17-2008, 03:25 PM
Wish I could join, but my ability to join other people's games is so dodgy (even with LAN adapter + cable internet) that it wouldn't be practical. :shake:
Snatcher
03-17-2008, 04:04 PM
I would like to join, but my EC to WC experiences haven't been so nice.
Keits
03-17-2008, 04:11 PM
I'd like to enter this. Can you change the 'loser picks' rules in the OP to my suggested rule, which im now calling 'Single Counterpick Method'? Id really like to test it out.
Keits - [KEITS]
Septimus Prime
03-17-2008, 04:21 PM
Let me in, please.
Tag is SEP.
HuStLeMaN17
03-17-2008, 04:43 PM
Does 3 out of 5 double elimination mean 2 SEPERATE SETS of 3 outta 5
nasir
03-17-2008, 04:45 PM
I think I know, but could someone please verify what 3 out of 5 double elimination means?
Every opponent you play, you play them until one person has 3 wins (3 out of 5 games for the majority). If you lose, you get sent to the losers bracket and fight your way back up. If you win the losers bracket, you challenge the winner's bracket. (every evo tourney is double elim).
HuStLeMaN17
03-17-2008, 04:50 PM
Every opponent you play, you play them until one person has 3 wins (3 out of 5 games for the majority). If you lose, you get sent to the losers bracket and fight your way back up. If you win the losers bracket, you challenge the winner's bracket. (every evo tourney is double elim).
ok thanks
Worthless
03-17-2008, 05:28 PM
Is it too late too sign up
Worthless-worth
Ceir gonna win it
he's too good :( hate that Metaknight!!
otter
03-17-2008, 05:51 PM
:arazz: You can add this to my long list of reasons why I hate working at night :arazz: Serious props for experamenting with the game before deciding to destroy it.
orochizoolander
03-17-2008, 08:46 PM
Gamertag: O. ZOO
brawl code: 1160-9451-8692
Septimus Prime
03-17-2008, 08:53 PM
So who's doing the brackets?
quiche
03-17-2008, 09:03 PM
May I suggest www.bracketmaker.com
...seriously.
If im not to late sign me up
TempestFox
03-17-2008, 09:42 PM
I'm in.
Dios <-X->
03-17-2008, 09:58 PM
sign me up
DiosX || 0516-6931-9292
AmbiguousCrosup
03-17-2008, 10:09 PM
I'm in. info is in Sig. Brawl Tag: AXUP
JoeMasters
03-17-2008, 10:32 PM
I wanna join but the input lag is gonna piss me off:shake: Maybe after I get a better connection.
IceTrap
03-17-2008, 10:32 PM
I would like to get in on this if i can get out of work on time
ITrap is my tag, once i get back on ill post my code
Septimus Prime
03-18-2008, 12:21 AM
We should probably be posting our friend codes in this thread while we sign up, so we can get things rolling smoothly tomorrow. I'll post mine in a few minutes.
Parkreiner
03-18-2008, 12:24 AM
Yeah.
1332-7373-1968
Septimus Prime
03-18-2008, 12:32 AM
Yeah.
5026-4123-2804
TempestFox
03-18-2008, 12:35 AM
1934-0291-5357
TempestFox
03-18-2008, 12:40 AM
Can Hyrule Temple be unselectable? It was banned in Melee for obvious reasons and the same probably holds true for New Pork City too.
Septimus Prime
03-18-2008, 12:41 AM
I like those stages.
Parkreiner
03-18-2008, 12:44 AM
I like those stages.
Yeah, but they're a pain in the ass to play on, and a match on either of them definitely won't be finished in only 3 minutes.
nasir
03-18-2008, 01:16 AM
Yeah, but they're a pain in the ass to play on, and a match on either of them definitely won't be finished in only 3 minutes.
If you read the opening post, and the link to Mr.Wizard's statement, NOTHING IS BANNED YET. When you get hyrule temple/new pork city, do whatever degenerate stuff you want to do on it for the win, and then send the replays to me.
Seriously, people need to read what the objective is here.
Parkreiner
03-18-2008, 01:18 AM
If you read the opening post, and the link to Mr.Wizard's statement, NOTHING IS BANNED YET. When you get hyrule temple/new pork city, do whatever degenerate stuff you want to do on it for the win, and then send the replays to me.
Seriously, people need to read what the objective is here.
I read the rules, I know that nothing is banned. I'm just voicing my personal opinion and replying to what somebody else had said. If you want to say all this, bother quoting Tempest, not me.
Clever
03-18-2008, 01:24 AM
Not sure if sign up are full but i'll play. If it is full, i'll show up and take any no-showers spot ;)
nasir
03-18-2008, 01:25 AM
I read the rules, I know that nothing is banned. I'm just voicing my personal opinion and replying to what somebody else had said. If you want to say all this, bother quoting Tempest, not me.
My bad,you're right. I mean to quote Tempest. It's late and i'm pretty tired.
Either way, definitely for this tournament, anything goes. Play whatever cheap techniques you guys need to win with whatever broken strategies you have. Do your worst and destroy any sense of fairness in Brawl.
TempestFox
03-18-2008, 01:46 AM
Well the point being, people already found out that stage was broken, what's the point of doing it over again?
Septimus Prime
03-18-2008, 01:47 AM
Can Hyrule Temple be unselectable? It was banned in Melee for obvious reasons and the same probably holds true for New Pork City too.
So yeah. There you go.
The Damned
03-18-2008, 02:10 AM
Speaking of potentially banned stages, I sort of want to unlock Spear Pillar before this thing, but for some reason I can't get any of the events after #20 even though I beat all of them on Hard.
The hell?
Septimus Prime
03-18-2008, 02:13 AM
:u: Yeah, I can't figure out how to unlock events myself. I have the first 28 events, but that's it.
Ceirnian
03-18-2008, 02:30 AM
Maybe you need to unlock all the characters? Either that or complete SSE is my guess.
quiche
03-18-2008, 04:13 AM
You need to unlock all the characters to unlock the rest of the events.
...seriously.
The Damned
03-18-2008, 04:18 AM
You need to unlock all the characters to unlock the rest of the events.
...seriously.
I suppose that makes sense.
Sigh.
Oh well. If I really want it, I can just use a Golden Hammer, but....
Anyway, I updated Brawl Code List in the other thread. I was going to put the codes of everyone by their name, but I'm not sure how nasir is doing this.
Septimus Prime
03-18-2008, 04:35 AM
Yeah, I just found out about the characters thing myself. I'm having trouble with the final event, though.
Tigerboi
03-18-2008, 05:18 AM
You niggas go have to wait to get beasted by me and link. I gots no wii, mayne. ;_;
nasir
03-18-2008, 07:47 AM
I suppose that makes sense.
Sigh.
Oh well. If I really want it, I can just use a Golden Hammer, but....
Anyway, I updated Brawl Code List in the other thread. I was going to put the codes of everyone by their name, but I'm not sure how nasir is doing this.
I think its easiest that each pairing adds their friends code at the time they find their matchup, instead of having everyone add everyone else. That way you only need to add one person per round. If I had more time, I would have posted the bracket up early, but unfortunately work and such thwarts that idea.
-=KOH=-
03-18-2008, 07:53 AM
Please let me be number 32!
Cause I want to enter.
nasir
03-18-2008, 08:03 AM
Please let me be number 32!
Cause I want to enter.
Alright, you're 32.
I will still write down names of people who want to register, even though the 32 cap has been hit, as I expect no shows-dropouts etc. So there is still a good chance you can play tonight if you still try to sign up. If enough people sign up between now and tonight, I -may- expand the bracket to 64.
TheDarkPhoenix
03-18-2008, 08:10 AM
So do i need to post up my friend code or anything of the sort?
edit I won't be able to make it....I just noticed the time zone, i'll just be getting off work. SO you can pass my spot along.
Bakuryusan
03-18-2008, 08:41 AM
so how many people do you have, if your full i just watch from koh's tv lol.
LordLocke
03-18-2008, 08:47 AM
Dang, I'd love to play, but I work mostly nights. Including tonight, until nearly 1 in the morning. Oh well.
IceTrap
03-18-2008, 09:32 AM
You guys realize that the second we even hint twords something being banned or is broken the smash board guys are going to freaking out with I told ya so's right? Just felt like pointing this out while i am sitting at work.
nasir
03-18-2008, 09:38 AM
Not sure if sign up are full but i'll play. If it is full, i'll show up and take any no-showers spot ;)
Ah, my bad clever, i missed your post last night, I was half asleep. You actually registered before KOH, so I'll put you in 32.
KOH, sorry I'll move you to first alt spot, but I'm pretty sure we'll have no shows and stuff so you should still make it in.
Edit2:
Just realized TheDarkPhoenix dropped, so Clever and KOH are both in, Bakuryusan you're first on waiting list. Good chance you can play tonight also.
chopa
03-18-2008, 09:57 AM
Speaking of potentially banned stages, I sort of want to unlock Spear Pillar before this thing, but for some reason I can't get any of the events after #20 even though I beat all of them on Hard.
The hell?
IIRC to get the spear pillar event you need to unlock snake first, or maybe whoever unlocks after him
ALSO is anyone gonna record these matches?
HuStLeMaN17
03-18-2008, 10:01 AM
So in the Option Settings it should be set to Loser picks stage???
nasir
03-18-2008, 10:07 AM
So in the Option Settings it should be set to Loser picks stage???
Correct.
If the loser keeps the same character, the loser is free to pick any stage he wants.
If the loser intends to change character, I should be notified so I can assign a new random stage to play on.
Note, if the you win and notice the loser has changed his character, make sure you are aware of what stage I say they should be fighting on, as to prevent the loser from changing his char, and picking whatever stage he wants.
At worst, if there is some confusions, the players may need to reconnect to each other to get proper char/stages going etc. Hopefully it wont get too messy.
Keits
03-18-2008, 12:10 PM
if its on loser picks stage, why cant the loser honor system the random stage button?
Shinto
03-18-2008, 12:29 PM
my handle is Shnto
nasir
03-18-2008, 12:34 PM
if its on loser picks stage, why cant the loser honor system the random stage button?
Actually, yeah thats probably fine. There isn't really much at stake right here, and if people are dishonorable bastards and start picking stages with huge advantages for their chars, maybe we can get some determination on broken tactics/stages faster with replays :P
xYourMasterx
03-18-2008, 12:56 PM
sign me up for the waiting list, brawl name is yugi. Code: 1160-9398-5581
Keits
03-18-2008, 01:00 PM
i think we just need to look at the results subjectively, consider possible solutions to the overpowering tactic in question, and apply them next time (and remember anout lag).
and i dont think there should be any whining when a stage kills you. you, as a brawl pro, should know what to expect and how to minimize these events on each stage.
UltraDavid
03-18-2008, 01:32 PM
i think we just need to look at the results subjectively, consider possible solutions to the overpowering tactic in question, and apply them next time (and remember anout lag).
Indeed. If it turns out items suck, fine, next time we'll cut them down, and if having any items at all is still bad, we'll get rid of all of them. If instead having all items is fine for good play, that's cool too, we'll keep them.
TempestFox
03-18-2008, 02:19 PM
So yeah. There you go.
I'd blow a raspberry at you, but they don't work well over message boards.
sonicspear64
03-18-2008, 03:36 PM
Put me on that waiting list. Brawl name is Sp64. Code is 4553-9634-1392.
orochizoolander
03-18-2008, 04:01 PM
When will matchups be posted?
UltraDavid
03-18-2008, 04:13 PM
My thingy is [Ultra].
nasir
03-18-2008, 04:21 PM
When will matchups be posted?
I'll do matchups as soon as a I can when i get home. I work 8am until 6-6:30pm every weekday normally, usually later. I'm going to try to bounce out of work today at 6pm, so if traffic allows, I should be home around 6:20ish, and can start working on brackets/matchups/etc. Just stay alert and get on dat IRC near gametime.
Kryian
03-18-2008, 04:27 PM
I'm down for this, throw me on the waiting list.
My Brawl tag is Ron
The Damned
03-18-2008, 04:33 PM
So in the Option Settings it should be set to Loser picks stage???
There is a problem with this.
For Wi-Fi, the Stage Selecting Option is always grayed out so that it will forever read Choose. Ergo, the Loser Picks option is not available within the Wi-Fi system, even with the more rules option open.
There must be some way to remedy this before the tournament.
AlphaDragoon02
03-18-2008, 04:43 PM
You guys realize that the second we even hint twords something being banned or is broken the smash board guys are going to freaking out with I told ya so's right? Just felt like pointing this out while i am sitting at work.
No, because unlike the majority of them (apparently there are those on SWF who actually want to test as well), we actually took the time to test it and make sure instead of "lulz it's just like melee so we know it don't work and ban it immediately".
Raph_Stryker
03-18-2008, 04:43 PM
have the loser announce which stage on IRC, and then have both people pick that stage. Itll probably take a heavy toll on the honor system, but we should do fine. Besides, my menus are all in japanese, and i have no idea which would make it so "loser picks".
hmm, if that wouldnt work, feel free to announce a better way.
HuStLeMaN17
03-18-2008, 05:01 PM
have the loser announce which stage on IRC, and then have both people pick that stage. Itll probably take a heavy toll on the honor system, but we should do fine. Besides, my menus are all in japanese, and i have no idea which would make it so "loser picks".
hmm, if that wouldnt work, feel free to announce a better way.
no need to go on irc after every round to announce stage that well take to long and is not needed.
-iam using my wii to use irc so i wanna try to use irc as little as possible, so i dont have to keep signing off brawl see.
just report who won once you reach 5 wins.
Keits
03-18-2008, 05:20 PM
You ONLY get to choose the stage as the loser IF you do NOT change characters. Its either or... change character OR choose stage.
mastermind
03-18-2008, 05:20 PM
Go O.Zoooo! Rack up some wins with Dat Metaknight! :woot:
xS A M U R A Ix
03-18-2008, 05:29 PM
Damn I wish I had a wii, I'd enter this in a heartbeat. Metaknight is sad and wants to rape people.
Raph_Stryker
03-18-2008, 05:29 PM
no need to go on irc after every round to announce stage that well take to long and is not needed.
-iam using my wii to use irc so i wanna try to use irc as little as possible, so i dont have to keep signing off brawl see.
just report who won once you reach 5 wins.
main correction is that the tourney is best 3/5, so first to 3 wins gets it. And since the rules stipulate if you lose you can change character bu you dont pick the stagel, so if you happen to lose then dont switch characters so you dont have to hop on IRC to announce you did, and have nasir have to pick a stage at random.
man, it gets complicated if you dont have a computer dedicated to IRC
AmbiguousCrosup
03-18-2008, 05:31 PM
Should we join the irc channel a little bit before the tournament starts?
It's #Smash Bros on Efnet right?
mastermind
03-18-2008, 05:36 PM
:u: it's on the first post of the thread, bro.
http://forums.shoryuken.com/showthread.php?t=151627
Septimus Prime
03-18-2008, 05:49 PM
My loser stage is going to be Spear Pillar. I'll go ahead and announce it right now.
Also, I'd like to propose for some other time that we try out a free-for-all tourney.
nasir
03-18-2008, 05:55 PM
Ok guys. head into the IRC channel as soon as you can please.
For those of you who are too lazy to read the original post, click here
http://forums.shoryuken.com/showthread.php?t=151627
I should be home before 6:30pm, and hopefully have brackets set up. I'll announce the tourney channel, and we can get any last minute issues/rules/questions out of the way and get this shit poppin.
TheSix
03-18-2008, 06:03 PM
Okay, so I'm REALLY lazy right now and don't feel like going to class at all.
....so I won't.
Lemme know if there is anymore space when shit gets rollin'. I want in. I'll be on the forum and IRC.
BaSiK_TeKniK
03-18-2008, 06:09 PM
Damn I wish I had a wii, I'd enter this in a heartbeat. Metaknight is sad and wants to rape people.
I feel you me too :sad:
AmbiguousCrosup
03-18-2008, 06:09 PM
I'm in the irc channel yo.
nasir
03-18-2008, 06:35 PM
EVERYONE ENTERING, GO TO CHANNEL
#srkbrawltourny
NOW
The Damned
03-18-2008, 07:09 PM
I can't seem the post in the IRC Channel anymore.
Hmmm...
It would figure that this happens right before the tournament starts.
AmbiguousCrosup
03-18-2008, 07:17 PM
Monte 3
Me 0
waiting for losers
The Damned
03-18-2008, 07:20 PM
I lost to Raph_Stryker 2-3.
I should have jumped off the stage in that last match. Oh well.
Stupid Donkey Kong.
But, seriously, what's with the IRC?
lamewadd
03-18-2008, 07:22 PM
I got beasted x.x
And nothing's wrong, Damned...
The Damned
03-18-2008, 07:24 PM
I got beasted x.x
And nothing's wrong, Damned...
That's what weirds me out, though.
It seems to working fine for more than half of the people, but now it won't even let me re-join. Right before nasir started explaining the rules, I couldn't even post at all or, if I could, then I couldn't see them.
My Internet connection is fine, so I'm not sure what's wrong, especially since I pretty much never use IRC.
Raph_Stryker
03-18-2008, 07:26 PM
That's what weirds me out, though.
It seems to working fine for more than half of the people, but now it won't even let me re-join. Right before nasir started explaining the rules, I couldn't even post at all or, if I could, then I couldn't see them.
My Internet connection is fine, so I'm not sure what's wrong, especially since I pretty much never use IRC.
strange
GGs tho
i think thats the worst case scenario of what DK's final smash can do. Im not used to it launching off the top of the stage.
The Damned
03-18-2008, 07:30 PM
strange
GGs tho
i think thats the worst case scenario of what DK's final smash can do. Im not used to it launching off the top of the stage.
It's always the worst case scenario when I'm involved, but it's not like it was unavoidable. That's why I didn't (remember to) record.
The only thing I ended up recording was that absurd Mario Bros. stage "fight"; I couldn't record the New Pork City stupidity because of Sudden Death.
Good games, though.
I would kind of like to be able to make a comeback via the loser's route, but I can't even freaking join the IRC. Can you please tell nasir?
Raph_Stryker
03-18-2008, 07:36 PM
the damned vs lavi on battleship halberd
The Damned
03-18-2008, 07:39 PM
the damned vs lavi on battleship halberd
My Brawl code is 3652-0227-0431.
What is lavi's?
Ninja Wallace
03-18-2008, 08:21 PM
Guys, EFnet dropped me, so I'm posting here. I'm done with the tourney. I probably could of kept going had I been winning, but it's late, I'm sick, tired and being bugged to get to bed. So, later. Good games to all I fought. Would like to note that chili is broken, 75m is broken, smash balls are generally pretty broken and both pokeballs and assist trophies can be broken.
UltraDavid
03-18-2008, 08:25 PM
Rumble falls is broken. I don't think New Pork City is broken, although it is really bad for slow characters against runaway characters, but I think it should be banned because I literally can't see what's going on half the time on my tv.
Shade
03-18-2008, 08:26 PM
1 more, and I'm eliminated. = (
orochizoolander
03-18-2008, 08:35 PM
Staying over a friends sorry can't enter.
quiche
03-18-2008, 08:42 PM
I lost early. We need to do this regularly. Like twice a week.
...seriously.
AmbiguousCrosup
03-18-2008, 08:53 PM
<-- got the Arpe brought to had fun.
UltraDavid
03-18-2008, 09:17 PM
I lost early. We need to do this regularly. Like twice a week.
...seriously.
...seriously.
Keits
03-18-2008, 09:20 PM
Guys, EFnet dropped me, so I'm posting here. I'm done with the tourney. I probably could of kept going had I been winning, but it's late, I'm sick, tired and being bugged to get to bed. So, later. Good games to all I fought. Would like to note that chili is broken, 75m is broken, smash balls are generally pretty broken and both pokeballs and assist trophies can be broken.
Chili rarely does more than 20% to me.
75m rocks hard, nothing random.
I was killed by a final smash tonight zero times.
Pokeballs and Assist Trophies are risk vs reward. Assist Trophies that I popped got me killed twice, and pokeballs are often worthless and if they get reflected, your opponent 'owns' the pokemon.
I lost early. We need to do this regularly. Like twice a week.
...seriously.
AGREED
once a week lol
twice a week would be a strain on my health!!
ggs
note: the only broken thing is healing items. Otherwise, most things are fair game!! The chili doesn't do much to my chars, I can run all day!
Clever
03-18-2008, 09:34 PM
Once a week.... on a weekend. Preferably Saturday =D
Shinto
03-18-2008, 09:38 PM
We need to have ranking battles.....
SRK Ranking Battles lulz.....
UltraDavid
03-18-2008, 09:40 PM
Not a Saturday, I'll be doing stuff. Sunday?
The Damned
03-18-2008, 09:55 PM
Goddammit. IRC is not working for me again.
What gives?
Ciern, can you make the room again and pick Sonic's stage? I would like to get my ass kicked on that.
Ceirnian
03-18-2008, 10:00 PM
Not sure whats up, but we can talk here. What stage do you want? I'll host when you post stage.
[edit] done.
Ceirnian
03-18-2008, 10:05 PM
GGS The Damned, too bad you can't chat it up on IRC :(
The Damned
03-18-2008, 10:12 PM
GGS The Damned, too bad you can't chat it up on IRC :(
Yeah, GGs.
I have no idea what's up with Fnet.
Shade
03-18-2008, 10:33 PM
Goddammit. IRC is not working for me again.
What gives?
Ciern, can you make the room again and pick Sonic's stage? I would like to get my ass kicked on that.
I was getting randomly kicked, until I switched to the FireFox extension, ChatZilla.
AmbiguousCrosup
03-18-2008, 11:01 PM
We need to have ranking battles.....
SRK Ranking Battles lulz.....
SRK RANBATS GET HYPE!!!
TempestFox
03-18-2008, 11:25 PM
I suck too Quiche, don't worry.
atreusna
03-18-2008, 11:30 PM
To get some footage out, here are the matches I recorded, most of these are me playing but I also got one replay with 2 other players.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=a7JC4E-RHLY
http://youtube.com/watch?v=ovWAYGtb5Tc
http://youtube.com/watch?v=F2F9RZmyNCo
http://youtube.com/watch?v=q4T4exenV74
http://youtube.com/watch?v=YMM-quslBvw
http://youtube.com/watch?v=b23d2opDD4Q
http://youtube.com/watch?v=VDAo4Ameyn0
http://youtube.com/watch?v=YoMR_gyvKTE
http://youtube.com/watch?v=a-uU0yh8sMA
http://youtube.com/watch?v=6GGFimp80go
http://youtube.com/watch?v=D3FgEXLDFVE
http://youtube.com/watch?v=EmBq-lnFGNE
http://youtube.com/watch?v=4fZ6ExQB-Wk
http://youtube.com/watch?v=yKbwpn8aCoo
http://youtube.com/watch?v=pQRZk1pmuOM
GGs to everyone I played, let's see what happens in the next no-limits tourney...
edit: more matches:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=clmDaSRJHz0
http://youtube.com/watch?v=KEOiYHLa-gQ
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Uelhx5KUfIM
http://youtube.com/watch?v=OJV7W-m9pps
http://youtube.com/watch?v=8FFhNFqIKus
http://youtube.com/watch?v=_yp9IJqPINU
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Y5ZYy5FFQNo
Raph_Stryker
03-18-2008, 11:39 PM
Nvm
Go Donke Kong!!
TempestFox
03-19-2008, 12:46 AM
I definitely take games too seriously, I'm too competitive for my own good. Sorry anyone I was an ass to during the tourney.
Shade
03-19-2008, 12:52 AM
I got shafted on some silliness. But it's all good. Next tournament, you're all already dead.
lol yeah same here I get real competitive and antsy
Shade you're going down! gonna show you guys the real R.O.B. next time!
Septimus Prime
03-19-2008, 01:04 AM
Meanwhile, I don't have that "competitive spirit." But yeah. GGs, everyone. I lost almost every match, but I did win a few through some bullshit.
Kwaza
03-19-2008, 01:07 AM
well i didnt compete in the big tournament, but i made up for by winning the 8 person tourny, hehe. I had some crazy matches, but they were fun
Dios <-X->
03-19-2008, 01:35 AM
ggs in the tourny. my throat hurts from all the yelling i did at my tv. lets make this weekly/
MiLky
03-19-2008, 03:17 AM
I have this game, but have not been playing it that much, GGPO is more my speed. As a counter to that, the tourney vids made me want to start picking up the game, looked hella fun. All the Melee vids are so fucking boring to watch, these were quite entertaining.
Though it's obvious that a few stages/items will probably get banned, I really hope a fair share can be kept in, along with final smash's. Makes the game look like it's supposed to be played to me. With my scrubtacular theory fighting while watching those matches, I really liked how some of the items/smashs changed the gameplay up.
I might actually give this game a shot. If I don't please post a few of these tourney vids from time to time, good shit.
quiche
03-19-2008, 04:39 AM
So when's the next one gonna be?
...seriously.
Shadow Ace 50
03-19-2008, 06:05 AM
wait there was a tourney and I wasnt invited???? NEGGGGG!!!!!! jk.lol
BRAWL IS PURE CRACK!!! (I say no to drugs)
is there gonna be one next week? im down and my wifi will be up then
Congrats Raph_Stryker.
Showing some DK power and love.
-=KOH=-
03-19-2008, 07:53 AM
Sorry for missing, hope I didn't cause too many problems, I know there were a few people willing to fill my place anywho.
I fell asleep right after work had my alarm set for this but just couldn't get up, I woke up and had to work again.
Darcon_Renozyle
03-19-2008, 08:29 AM
If these tournaments happen every week, with the results that have been posted and some recording of videos, that's some hefty stuff to analyze for defining the ruleset for Evo.
Bakuryusan
03-19-2008, 09:05 AM
sorry i didn't make it i wasn't aware that i was in.
form those vids i say assist trophys, bobombs, and explosive crates should be taken out, along with 75m and summit.
Keits
03-19-2008, 09:45 AM
no random elements on 75m or summit.
mastermind
03-19-2008, 09:46 AM
Needs moar videos. :woot:
Where was Zoolander?!!?!?!?!?!
Whats The Point
03-19-2008, 09:52 AM
If we have replays, is there a particular person we should send them too?
Keits
03-19-2008, 09:57 AM
<3 the 75m stage
Bakuryusan
03-19-2008, 10:01 AM
no random elements on 75m or summit.
are you serious???
SuicidalGrandpa
03-19-2008, 10:03 AM
Worthless, who told you that you could lose like that? Red blocks.
edit: But it's ok, cuz this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YMM-quslBvw&NR=1) was a baller finish.
nasir
03-19-2008, 10:48 AM
Please send replays to atreusna
Mastermind:
zoolander bailed on us (and didn't let me know, damn you :P).
Ceirnian was repping meta knight though
Raph_Stryker
03-19-2008, 11:51 AM
if anything
Mario Bros with lag is a big no no.
Having to dodge all the shells and crabs (when thrown are unblockable mind you) can get really hard online. It an interesting stage because the way you fight your opponent drastically changes, but online, once you get pinned, your usually done..
nasir
03-19-2008, 12:16 PM
if anything
Mario Bros with lag is a big no no.
Having to dodge all the shells and crabs (when thrown are unblockable mind you) can get really hard online. It an interesting stage because the way you fight your opponent drastically changes, but online, once you get pinned, your usually done..
Is it possible to spot dodge the shells? And if dodging/etc is only hard online, its not good motivation to ban it for live.
ps, where's my +rep you bastard :rofl:
Raph_Stryker
03-19-2008, 12:22 PM
lol, youll get plus rep when i can give it, since i gave it already to the guy who made my avatar.
Live, well, youd have to play it live before you consider getting rid of it (i have lol, 4 player ffa on that stage is hilarious). Just online..its a big pain.
allright, rep has been sent to you, i think.
The Damned
03-19-2008, 12:54 PM
are you serious???
There isn't anything random about 75m.
Summit, however, probably will end up getting up cut, if only because of how stupidly easy it is to die on a stage with no ledges. *cough*Skyworld*cough* That and the fish doesn't help and the icicle does seem to form randomly.
And the shells on Mario Bros. can be dodged, but the question is should they be when they kind of completely change the game? Besides, anyone with a reflector has a stupid advantage on that stage that is a lot more lethal than other advantages character usually have.
*glares at Wolf and Fox*
Assuming the next one is next week on Monday or Tuesday, I should be down.
Somnus91
03-19-2008, 02:09 PM
Thanks again for making the tournament happen. It was a lot of fun.. lol.
GG's to everyone I played too (a lot of hilarious/wtf moments too).
Finals were tough, Raph.
quiche
03-19-2008, 02:26 PM
Wow, Somnus, my archrival, took 2nd place? Congrats!
I seriously need to figure out how to play against wolf. *Glares at Somnus & Shade* Figures I'd get eliminated by two wolf players.
...seriously.
AmbiguousCrosup
03-19-2008, 03:13 PM
Zelda's Fs Is Survivable!
atreusna
03-19-2008, 03:16 PM
More matches:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=clmDaSRJHz0
http://youtube.com/watch?v=KEOiYHLa-gQ
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Uelhx5KUfIM
http://youtube.com/watch?v=OJV7W-m9pps
http://youtube.com/watch?v=8FFhNFqIKus
http://youtube.com/watch?v=_yp9IJqPINU
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Y5ZYy5FFQNo
orochizoolander
03-19-2008, 04:18 PM
Needs moar videos. :woot:
Where was Zoolander?!!?!?!?!?!
Please send replays to atreusna
Mastermind:
zoolander bailed on us (and didn't let me know, damn you :P).
Ceirnian was repping meta knight though
Sorry bout that I should've PM'ed you
Good to see MK was repped.
If you decide to have another tourney i'll definitely be there to bring the MK rape.
CamboSoup
03-19-2008, 08:57 PM
Who got 6th-10? any ike or snake players in the top ten??
quiche
03-19-2008, 09:11 PM
Next one plz.
...seriously.
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