SSBB - Controllers

[ytwojay]

I haven't really been keeping up with SSBB so forgive my ignorance, but what controller is everyone using to play? The Wii controls felt really awkward to me so I switched over to a GC controller, but apparently they changed shielding from analog to digital so the shield doesn't go up until you hear the shoulder button click. I've heard that people are modding their controllers to make it easier to shield- is there an faq on this somewhere? And it going to be allowed at tournaments?

I've been thinking about picking up a Wii Classic Controller (http://www.gamestop.com/product.asp?product%5Fid=802563). Has anyone tried using one of these for Brawl? The shoulder buttons look like old school SNES buttons so shielding doesn't look like it will be a problem, but I haven't had a chance to test it out.

[Daemonk]

I use my old GC controller. You can probably adapt to the shield change pretty fast.

The classic controller is actually not bad though. The joysticks are smaller and more sensitive than the GC controllers. It'll take a few matches to get use to the joystick.

Personally, it took me longer to get used to how the button are placed. I used X/Y to jump almost exclusively. X/Y on the classic controller is in a different position and aren't rasied higher than the A/B buttons like on the GC.

[AlphaDragoon02]

I use the GC controller too. I would use the Classic but the button layout is just too jarring for me.

[KidZero]

I use the GC controller. I haven't tried out the Classic controller, Wii remote or the Wii remote+nunchuck. I hear they lag (Wii remote/+nunchuck).

[ben]

I use a gamecube controller - only things I chage are tap-jump is off, and I make throw X (or Y, I forget. its the one further up). I hate using Z on the GC pad and don't see the point of two jump buttons on the face.

[Miracle Matter]

I use the Gamecube controller, mostly because I'm used to it from Melee. I never had a problem with shielding but I tend to press the triggers all the way down by force of habit.

The classic controller is also very good, but takes a bit of getting used to. The button placement is different you can customize the controls now anyway. So far I haven't noticed any input lag when using it.

[Septimus Prime]

I use a GC pad, since all the Wii control devices are terrible.

[Parkreiner]

I use the GC pad, and since I always pushed the L/R buttons down all the way when playing Melee, I have no problems with it so far.

[chopa]

using the classic as I can't use a GC controller

[otter]

Classic controller is rad, don't be fooled. People use GC out of habit, and that's fine. I once measured the distance between the GC's X/Y buttons and the C stick. It was literally six miles.

[Iapetus]

Classic controller is rad, don't be fooled. People use GC out of habit, and that's fine. I once measured the distance between the GC's X/Y buttons and the C stick. It was literally six miles.

Seriously, all of the control schemes are fine. Use whatever is most comfortable for you; peeps declaring GC is best are probably just so used to it.

[Pimp Willy]

For what its worth, I use Classic Controller, and its really comfortable. I just remap throw to the right shoulder button instead of the little nub button.

[Zan-kun]

I've been using Wiimote+Nunchuk. Haven't even touched my Gamecube pads. It works really well. I've turned on shake smash and it has managed to stay on for some reason. It works if you hold the Wiimote completely straight and shake it clearly in the direction desired. Can't use it in the heat of fierce combat so I'll turn it off eventually, but I haven't gotten around to it.

What really sucks, for me at least, is that to go to tournaments I may or may not be entering Wiimotes and the like will probably be banned. So even if someone gets really good with the Wiimote (lol), the Wiimote+Nunchuk, or the Classic controller, it won't matter because they'll all be banned. So I'll transition over to a Cube pad and change up the controls, but that won't matter either because everyone will probably stuck to default controls as well, which work fine if you've modded your controller.

I'm in a bind no matter what.

[KrsJin]

Gota say, a friend of mine decided to take the springs out of his GC controller's shoulder triggers, and it feels great lol. That would be my choice of the ones I've tried.

[El Maniatico]

I use GC, but if a tournament allows it I'll take a classic controller over anything else. The sticks are way better than the GC ones. Plus you dont have to worry about people checking your controllers for springs.

But then again in a tournament situation people claim there are desyncing issues, I havent seen this myself but this kind of problem is going to force everyone to use the stock GC controls.

[beatsofdevil]

hmm, I'll have to try the classic...and put throw on the face (either x or y)

I actually did not press guard all the way down all the time (for reflecting) but I didn't notice you needed to in brawl...maybe that's why shit kept hitting me when I knew I blocked right in time...I thought guard actually just didn't block some stuff this time around (in brawl)

[orochizoolander]

I'm comfortable with either GC or classic but imo classic is much better since i have small hands it fits me well and it's so easy to short hop with it.

[ytwojay]

But then again in a tournament situation people claim there are desyncing issues, I havent seen this myself but this kind of problem is going to force everyone to use the stock GC controls.
Woah woah woah, details on this?
I'm comfortable with either GC or classic but imo classic is much better since i have small hands it fits me well and it's so easy to short hop with it.
Shit that doesnt sound good, I have big hands =\

[ArcadeFire]

Classic Controller FTW

[mastermind]

I've been scouring around my town seeing if I could find some used OEM Nintendo GC controllers. No dice. I have one Indigo and two Wavebirds.

Anybody ever try those eBay 3rd party GCs controllers (CLICK (http://cgi.ebay.com/2-ORANGE-CONTROLLERS-FOR-NINTENDO-GC-GAMECUBE-WII-2EXT_W0QQitemZ180225533093QQihZ008QQcategoryZ41042 QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)) that look like the regulars but aren't labeled?

[caffeinetc]

Classic Controller.
Most frequently used actions: jump and attack.
Quickest fingers: index fingers.
Only actions that may need to be paired with other actions simultaneously (or close to): jump and attack.
My thinking for optimal layout: Left Z for jump, right Z for attack, X for special, Y for shield, B for grab.
Will I suck at first: yes!
Is it worth it: I hope so.

[Murda Inc]

classic controller should be legal no matter what

[Ryzol]

I've been scouring around my town seeing if I could find some used OEM Nintendo GC controllers. No dice. I have one Indigo and two Wavebirds.

Anybody ever try those eBay 3rd party GCs controllers (CLICK (http://cgi.ebay.com/2-ORANGE-CONTROLLERS-FOR-NINTENDO-GC-GAMECUBE-WII-2EXT_W0QQitemZ180225533093QQihZ008QQcategoryZ41042 QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)) that look like the regulars but aren't labeled?
3rd party GC controllers are a pos. Go with OEM, you can still order them through Nintendo. (http://store.nintendo.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?catalogId=10001&storeId=10001&langId=-1&currency=USD&ignoreCrumbs=N&crumb1=&crumb1Ignore=&crumb2=%253CA%2BHREF%253D%2522javascript%253APassO n%2528%2527X%2527%252C%2B%2527ChooseView%2527%252C %2527%2527%252C%2B%2527%2527%2529%253B%2522%253ENi ntendo%2BGameCube%253C%252FA%253E&crumb2Ignore=&crumb3=%253CA%2BHREF%253D%2522javascript%253APassO n%2528%2527C%2527%252C%2B%2527CategoryDisplay%2527 %252C%252744009%2527%252C%2B%2527N%2527%2529%253B% 2522%253EParts%2B%2526%2BAccessories%253C%252FA%25 3E&crumb3Ignore=&translateFrom=%C8%C9%C7&translateTo=EEC&usrSearchText=&searchText=&selSrchType=&page=&view=&productId=64062&categoryId=44009&lastAction=ProductDisplay&orderTotal=null&tranId=0&jktranid=&rpComment=&dropOff=) They cap you at 5 controllers per shipment though. :shake:

[DropOff]

I can do it classic or GC, I might learn nun-chuck just for lulz.

I'm starting to prefer classic since I play D3 most games and it's nice to be able to easily up tilt.

[quiche]

I use the GC controller with shield mapped to Y so I don't have to worry about modding triggers.

...seriously.

[versus addict]

I'm using gamecube wavebirds. No wires, always awesome. I tried the Wii Remote and it wasn't that bad really.

I wanted to get 2 more wavebirds and on ebay a new sealed one is selling for basically $100......WTF!?

[mastermind]

3rd party GC controllers are a pos. Go with OEM, you can still order them through Nintendo. (http://store.nintendo.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?catalogId=10001&storeId=10001&langId=-1&currency=USD&ignoreCrumbs=N&crumb1=&crumb1Ignore=&crumb2=%253CA%2BHREF%253D%2522javascript%253APassO n%2528%2527X%2527%252C%2B%2527ChooseView%2527%252C %2527%2527%252C%2B%2527%2527%2529%253B%2522%253ENi ntendo%2BGameCube%253C%252FA%253E&crumb2Ignore=&crumb3=%253CA%2BHREF%253D%2522javascript%253APassO n%2528%2527C%2527%252C%2B%2527CategoryDisplay%2527 %252C%252744009%2527%252C%2B%2527N%2527%2529%253B% 2522%253EParts%2B%2526%2BAccessories%253C%252FA%25 3E&crumb3Ignore=&translateFrom=%C8%C9%C7&translateTo=EEC&usrSearchText=&searchText=&selSrchType=&page=&view=&productId=64062&categoryId=44009&lastAction=ProductDisplay&orderTotal=null&tranId=0&jktranid=&rpComment=&dropOff=) They cap you at 5 controllers per shipment though. :shake:

Thanks for the link, man! Ordered a couple.

Repped.

[Monte]

Classic Controller.
Most frequently used actions: jump and attack.
Quickest fingers: index fingers.
Only actions that may need to be paired with other actions simultaneously (or close to): jump and attack.
My thinking for optimal layout: Left Z for jump, right Z for attack, X for special, Y for shield, B for grab.
Will I suck at first: yes!
Is it worth it: I hope so.

oh snap it's caffeine! Do I smell a smash/tetris iron man challenge?! :nunchuck:

[caffeinetc]

You didn't think I just owned in tetris did you? Let me know if you wanna play some time.

[residentwaterfowl]

I use the CC with a modified layout.

A - Jump
B- Attack
Y - Special
X - Grab
R/L - Shield
Right Stick - Smash

Works REALLY well for me. More comfortable than the GCC. Had to get used to X being Grab but I'm pretty good with it. I hate the Z triggers. :/

[tl613]

I use the Classic because Wiimote + Nunchuk felt awkward and I needed something that didn't have to plug into the Wii itself. I read a lot of reviews about the Classic sucking and making your hand cramp but I've used it for hours and think it's great. My girlfriend hates them though and prefers Wiimote + Nunchuk.

Not trying to hijack but have some simple questions in regards to controllers and didn't feel like it warranted another thread. So I made my own controller configuration but when I play as the 1st player in SSE it doesn't let me pick a name to use, it only does it for the 2nd player joining in. Also, is there a way to delete the configs without wiping everything out?

[versus addict]

Anybody know what they're using in the few tourneys they've had so far?

[spideyman]

i use my wavebird

[Rei]

I use a gamecube controller - only things I chage are tap-jump is off, and I make throw X (or Y, I forget. its the one further up). I hate using Z on the GC pad and don't see the point of two jump buttons on the face.

I have tap jump off, and I moved throw to one of the face buttons as well. I moved the shield to z. I'm using a wavebird.

[ArcadeFire]

I played at a firend's house and she only had Wii Remotes X_X It's SUPER wierd playing Brawl with those.

[UncleBuck]

I guess I'm the only person using a PS2 pad. I don't know if it is tournament legal but it works fine and feels comfortable. The button layout is the same and the c-stick is the right analog stick.

[Tigerboi]

This has been driving me and my friends I've been bumming wii time off of insane, but wired gamecube controllers seem to have an absurd time connecting correctly. And I don't mean the DON'T MOVE THE CONTROL STICK type shit either. The oddness is as fallows:

the c-stick works outside of matches but not during them.

the main stick will work fine and out of nowhere go nuts.

unplugging the controller does not fix the problems. restarting the system sometimes makes it worse. This ha been the case on every wii I've played it on and alot of the controllers.

Anybody else having this problem?

[Shinto]

I have problem with my C-stick too, I thought it was just me....

[fireballtrap]

The C-Stick on one of mine doesn't work in any direction but up. I thought it was busted, maybe not....

[Corner-Trap]

I've never had any of these problems, I guess I'm lucky.

[Shinto]

The C-Stick on one of mine doesn't work in any direction but up. I thought it was busted, maybe not....

Seriously I thought I had to buy a new one:confused:.....

[Shade]

My brand new GC controller works perfectly. You guys been CLACKIN your sticks too much, for too long.

[PozerWolf]

Erm... I never had these issues :wonder:

[Pimp Willy]

Sounds like good reason to ban GC controllers from tournament play, so we don't end having to pause the finals at evo because one guys C stick doesn't work in the middle of a close and intense match, thus breaking the game. Nunchuck + Wiimote, or Classic Controller, or Wiimote should be the only options allowed

[4649]

Sounds like good reason to ban GC controllers from tournament play, so we don't end having to pause the finals at evo because one guys C stick doesn't work in the middle of a close and intense match, thus breaking the game. Nunchuck + Wiimote, or Classic Controller, or Wiimote should be the only options allowed

the fuck?

that's like saying no one can use a mas stick in marvel because someone's button goes out during a match and everybody should play on pad or some shit

[Shade]

Sounds like good reason to ban GC controllers from tournament play, so we don't end having to pause the finals at evo because one guys C stick doesn't work in the middle of a close and intense match, thus breaking the game. Nunchuck + Wiimote, or Classic Controller, or Wiimote should be the only options allowed

You best be joking.

[orochizoolander]

LOL @ broken csticks.

My gc controlelr works perfectly, only thing is sometimes when I jump and try to do uair, bair comes out instead cuz i accidentally press the c stick like 1 degree to the left:mad:.

[Jammin'Jobus]

everything on my gc controller works great.

[Pimp Willy]

the fuck?

that's like saying no one can use a mas stick in marvel because someone's button goes out during a match and everybody should play on pad or some shit

Now that you mention it, Mas sticks are constantly blowing the fuses on the precious few DC's that are left. Might be a good idea. But anyway, the whole point is we need to make sure that the match comes down to the two players, not what controllers they use and whether or not the C stick is going to break mid match

[Shade]

Now that you mention it, Mas sticks are constantly blowing the fuses on the precious few DC's that are left. Might be a good idea. But anyway, the whole point is we need to make sure that the match comes down to the two players, not what controllers they use and whether or not the C stick is going to break mid match

Holy shit, you weren't joking.


Holy shit.

[Corner-Trap]

Sounds like good reason to ban GC controllers from tournament play, so we don't end having to pause the finals at evo because one guys C stick doesn't work in the middle of a close and intense match, thus breaking the game. Nunchuck + Wiimote, or Classic Controller, or Wiimote should be the only options allowed

Now that you mention it, Mas sticks are constantly blowing the fuses on the precious few DC's that are left. Might be a good idea. But anyway, the whole point is we need to make sure that the match comes down to the two players, not what controllers they use and whether or not the C stick is going to break mid match

......what in the hell? I can't believe you're serious with your backward ass logic. :looney:

And for the record wireless controllers can have interfering signals, random desynchronizing, and dieing batteries.

[Pimp Willy]

Hmm, in that case, we should probably have a judge at each match sit there, and have the players tell the judge their moves, and he can decide whom should win. It's the only way to avoid such random issues as faulty controllers : (

[Shade]

Having faulty controllers is the fault of the players using them. You should know before hand if your own shit is fucked up. It's not the tournament, or the judges, or anyone else's responsibility to make sure YOUR controller is working correctly.

If you lose because you CHOSE to use a shit controller, then it's your fault, no one else's.

With that said, I couldn't even THINK to use anything else other than a GC controller. It's the designated, proffered, and recommended controller by most Smash players. You don't ban that because a few jacks didn't take the opportunity before hand to get a working controller.

[lamewadd]

Try pressing L, R and start together on any screen (not L+R+A+start, mind you) and it resets the controller. Try that out.

[Shinto]

Try pressing L, R and start together on any screen (not L+R+A+start, mind you) and it resets the controller. Try that out.

Are you serious or is this a late aprils fool?:shake:

[Jammin'Jobus]

lmao at the idea of banning gc controllers.

jesus christ

[Shinto]

lmao at the idea of banning gc controllers.

jesus christ

Dude I wouldn't take him serious no matter how hard he tries.

[Tigerboi]

Douchebags.

There's nothing wrong with our controllers. they actually work fine when used on a gamecube. I'm just glad to know that I'm not a member of the only crew having these issues.

[DauthiSlayer]

I've been scouring around my town seeing if I could find some used OEM Nintendo GC controllers. No dice. I have one Indigo and two Wavebirds.

Anybody ever try those eBay 3rd party GCs controllers (CLICK (http://cgi.ebay.com/2-ORANGE-CONTROLLERS-FOR-NINTENDO-GC-GAMECUBE-WII-2EXT_W0QQitemZ180225533093QQihZ008QQcategoryZ41042 QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)) that look like the regulars but aren't labeled?

Those controllers suck. Usually they are broke in a certain direction... Like you cant get the analog to register NorthEast until the stick is already stressed all the way in the NE direction. The buttons require you to press very hard on them. The only redeeming feature... is that the C-Stick seems to be better than the originals.

[lamewadd]

Are you serious or is this a late aprils fool?:shake:

Actually, no. It's true. I dunno if it works, though :-|

[M3D]

Sounds like good reason to ban GC controllers from tournament play, so we don't end having to pause the finals at evo because one guys C stick doesn't work in the middle of a close and intense match, thus breaking the game. Nunchuck + Wiimote, or Classic Controller, or Wiimote should be the only options allowed

Nunchuck+Wiimote/Classic Controller can run into interference issues in tournament settings where there are numerous units in use. That can cause controls to screw up and ruin a match. I guess by your logic we should ban those controllers too. We should probably just have people select a CPU-controlled character and let the game play it out so we don't have any controller issues.

...


*sigh*

Anyways, lamewadd is correct. You can reset your cube controllers by pressing L+R+start. Smashers have been doing this for ages when controllers mess up for one reason or another.

It sounds to me that either your sticks aren't centered when you plug in the controller or start up the game OR you've (ab)used the controllers enough that the sensors are a little bit off in your c-stick. If the sticks just aren't centered or you are depressing buttons when you start the system, then the system registers that state as "default" so it won't recognize inputs later on. Resetting the controller usually fixes this problem. If the button sensors are screwed up, then you've probably got to get a new controller. Even if it works on the Cube fine, the Wii might have different protocols for reading and interpreting the data coming down the wire to the system, so you might just be SOL.


EDIT: hehe... fixed. New Brawl habits. LRAstart is backing out of a game.

[lamewadd]

Anyways, lamewadd is correct. You can reset your cube controllers by pressing L+R+A+start. Smashers have been doing this for ages when controllers mess up for one reason or another.


It's L+R+START.

No A.

[versus addict]

Wavebirds, always working perfect.

[Tigerboi]

Funny thing is is that it NEVER happens to the wavebird.

Also, it's been proven that the age of the controller is not a factor; we got a brand new one and it still has the problem.

Nunchuck+Wiimote/Classic Controller can run into interference issues in tournament settings where there are numerous units in use. That can cause controls to screw up and ruin a match. I guess by your logic we should ban those controllers too. We should probably just have people select a CPU-controlled character and let the game play it out so we don't have any controller issues.

...


*sigh*

Anyways, lamewadd is correct. You can reset your cube controllers by pressing L+R+start. Smashers have been doing this for ages when controllers mess up for one reason or another.

It sounds to me that either your sticks aren't centered when you plug in the controller or start up the game OR you've (ab)used the controllers enough that the sensors are a little bit off in your c-stick. If the sticks just aren't centered or you are depressing buttons when you start the system, then the system registers that state as "default" so it won't recognize inputs later on. Resetting the controller usually fixes this problem. If the button sensors are screwed up, then you've probably got to get a new controller. Even if it works on the Cube fine, the Wii might have different protocols for reading and interpreting the data coming down the wire to the system, so you might just be SOL.


EDIT: hehe... fixed. New Brawl habits. LRAstart is backing out of a game.

Did you just give me 1996 advice? :rofl:

I never knew about the reset method. that shouldhelp.

[quiche]

Don't see why we need two threads about controllers. They have been merged.

...seriously.

[Pimp Willy]

All I have to say is:

WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSH

Each player should be allowed to play on whatever controller they feel most comfortable with, period, so long as the controller does not use any macro/turbo features.

[EvilSamurai]

Will I be allowed to use a PS2 pad + converter?

[BaSiK_TeKniK]

^ :bluu:

[SSJtRuNkZz]

gotten too used to the classic remote now

[JAMMAR]

Will I be allowed to use a PS2 pad + converter?

I don't see why not. BTW what converter are you using?

Over on the Brawl dedicated forums people are banning controller mods for their tourneys. :rofl: This is after someone asked about the spring modding.

[EvilSamurai]

http://www.play-asia.com/paOS-13-71-g4-49-en-70-14p.html

on my friends Wii. maps c-stick to right analog. works great.

[miggsthejust]

I thought this would be a good place to post the pic of my recently finished modded wii stick for brawl.

http://www.wakinggames.com/img/BrawlStick.jpg

It was very simple to do and I've only built one other stick before. All of the solder points in the wiimote were dead simple to connect up. I was even able to get the power button hooked up so I can turn the console on and off.

I just wanted to post this for people who are avoiding brawl due to having to use gamepads or wiimotes ect. I'm loving using the stick, you lose some of the versatility of the c-stick but I find having the more precise d-pad control outweighs that loss.

Next step is to get some sanwa parts... Anyone know where I can get sanwa parts ordered in Canada?

[Pimp Willy]

Would be interesting to mount a second stick (or a smaller analog nub) on the other side of the buttons and wire it as a C stick (would have to wire through a Classic Controller I'd think). Looks awesome though. Do you have the wii sync button easily wired elsewhere too?

[miggsthejust]

I don't currently. when I play outside my house I just use the temp sync, it works fine.

[ytwojay]

I went ahead and picked up a Classic Controller and its pretty badass. Its similar enough to a GC controller, doesn't have analog shoulder buttons, and you can play from far away since its wireless. ftw

[Pimp Willy]

Welcome to the club!

[Murda Inc]

Nintendo is rereleasing gamecube controllers! with a 3 m cord
check it out
http://gonintendo.com/?p=39892

great

[SaiYuk]

I never played SSBM (never even owned a GC, thus never played on a GC controller except occasionally at friends). Still, I find GC controller to be the best for Brawl. And I've tried wiimote-only, classic controller, and GC now. (surprisingly, wiimote-only is actually acceptably fine, but shielding and grabbing are extremely awkward, involving your left middle finger trying to hit B on the wiimote.....)

I really would like to say the classic controller is good, but the GC one is better. (I don't have a problem with digital shielding since I never played SSBM) The classic controller has the left analog stick (for movements) at a weird position. Your left thumb has to reach so low to control it, making it very awkward. (why can't the stick be where the D-pad is? and you can't map the D-pad to movements) That's my major complaint really.

[Daigo Jr]

Can you grab with shield+A?
I do it that way all the time in melee...

I'm off to bed, I'm tired... Who cares?

[masher]

hows the hori for smash?

any make custom sticks for the wii and played brawl?