Let's be honest...

[Shungokustasu]

It's stupid to go retro on SF4. How many revision did SF2 get? Sadly, SF4 is a revision of a revision (SSF2T). Anyone else remember back in 97 when SF2 was becoming played out? Why do you think gamers moved to 3D? There was nothing wrong with SF3. It was just too little, too late. After the 3D fighters took over, people expected SF2 to do the same. When Capcom kept it 2D, people offically abondon the SF franchise.
After nostalgia, people realized that SF3 was actually the way to go, and now people "bada ba ba baa" lovin it. Capcom is behind the times. It seems they are making the same mistake as they did with SF3, who knows? Maybe 5-6 years down the road it will catch en fuego, and Capcom will make SF5 in 2D...

[Genetix1234]

please just shut up

[DavDz]

ST didn't have EX moves, nor more than one super.

Shut the fuck up.

[Shungokustasu]

please just shut up

It's called a forum of discussion.

[Genetix1234]

It's called a forum of discussion.

Wipe the semen off your eyes and look at the forums that have already discussed this over and over again.

[B. Yuukai]

Let's be real....

The last revision of Street Fighter 2 was Super Street Fighter 2 Turbo. So what if Street Fighter 4 happens to bring in some Street Fighter II characters? They are apart of the street fighter franchise. Super Street Fighter only introduced four new characters and people didn't complain. The overhaul from the CPS-1 to the CPS-2 system was more than enough to make a lot of people happy.

While I admit SF2 is played out, this is not SF2.

[Shungokustasu]

Wipe the semen off your eyes and look at the forums that have already discussed this over and over again.
Listen e-thug. No need to talk shit with me. You could've eaily not click the link e-thug.

[Genetix1234]

Listen e-thug. No need to talk shit with me. You could've eaily not click the link e-thug.

See, now the forum is more interesting, you can start by telling me what an e-thug is :).

[Shungokustasu]

Let's be real....

The last revision of Street Fighter 2 was Super Street Fighter 2 Turbo. So what if Street Fighter 4 happens to bring in some Street Fighter II characters? They are apart of the street fighter franchise. Super Street Fighter only introduced four new characters and people didn't complain. The overhaul from the CPS-1 to the CPS-2 system was more than enough to make a lot of people happy.

While I admit SF2 is played out, this is not SF2.
We'll see. Hope I'm wrong. Right now, just not feeling the game. Tekken 6 and 3S seems more appealing.

[DavDz]

It's just stupid not to expect SF2 characters to appear. Those characters are the most recognizable and popular characters of the series. People are acting like this is seriously a surprise.

[COUM]

hahaha if you add ex moves, ultras, saving attacks, unblockables, dashes, weird-ass jump arcs etc. to sf2 then it isnt fucking sf2 any more. hell even sf2 with dashes would play radically different.

[The Switcher]

Uh, actually, if they just made a sequel to 3rd strike, with Oro and Twelve as the main characters, it would forever seal the chances of Capcom actually making any money off the franchise again.

[MidgetT]

HEY. hey. oro is cool.

[Gutter Trash]

hey Shungokustasu aren't you the one asked us not question you about Ibuki returning?
Then you tell another poster in this thread that this is a discussion?
How can you expect us to have a discussion with you, if you refuse to be questionned about your Ibuki source?

Who is your Ibuki source? Where is your proof? Send us a link.

[Kunai]

I would have agreed 2 months ago, but I humbly disagree now. I think it's better that SF4 goes back to its roots, and my friend explained it perfectly to me.

It's important to win the people who made SF successful back, no doubt. Also, fighting games are so complicated now, that you want to introduce a fighter that an average player can play without learning 100+ moves (like VF5 or Tekken 6). I hadn't noticed it before, but when a game gets too complicated, it shuts out any potential to draw in new players. As much as I would love to play VF or Tekken, I get my ass handed to me for not being a pro at either game. I didn't dedicate the past 10 years to play either game.

I went from dreading this game to anticipating it with zeal. I really do hope it does well, and it's better that they try than to completely give up the franchise and farm out ports of older SF games to numerous systems.

[CSS]

It's stupid to go retro on pizza. How many revision did plain cheese get? Sadly, meatlovers is a revision of a revision (pepperoni). Anyone else remember back ten seconds ago when pepperoni was becoming played out? Why do you think hungry fellows moved to meatlovers? There was nothing wrong with pepperoni. It was just too little, too late. After the delicious meaty pizzas took over, people expected pepperoni to do the same. When Dominos kept it pepperoni, people offically abondon the franchise.
After nostalgia, people realized that meatlovers was actually the way to go, and now people "HOLY FUCKING SHIT THIS PIZZA IS BOMB" lovin it. Dominos is behind the times. It seems they are making the same mistake as they did with pepperoni, who knows? Maybe 5-6 years down the road it will catch some bacon and sausage, and Dominos will make pizza delicious...

[wakigatame]

Uh, actually, if they just made a sequel to 3rd strike, with Oro and Twelve as the main characters, it would forever seal the chances of Capcom actually making any money off the franchise again.

I disagree, Hugo as the main character would sell more copies than those two.

[SlothHands]

It's stupid to go retro on pizza. How many revision did plain cheese get? Sadly, meatlovers is a revision of a revision (pepperoni). Anyone else remember back ten seconds ago when pepperoni was becoming played out? Why do you think hungry fellows moved to meatlovers? There was nothing wrong with pepperoni. It was just too little, too late. After the delicious meaty pizzas took over, people expected pepperoni to do the same. When Dominos kept it pepperoni, people offically abondon the franchise.
After nostalgia, people realized that meatlovers was actually the way to go, and now people "HOLY FUCKING SHIT THIS PIZZA IS BOMB" lovin it. Dominos is behind the times. It seems they are making the same mistake as they did with pepperoni, who knows? Maybe 5-6 years down the road it will catch some bacon and sausage, and Dominos will make pizza delicious...

wow:woot:

[Sakura.Densetsu]

This is not a revision, the HD remix is a revision. This is more of a revisit.

New characters are important, but so are a healthy number of familiar characters.

This game may not have the flash that alot of newer games have, but that does not make it a bad game. ST still sees play for a reason.

[Projectjustice]

This is not a revision, the HD remix is a revision. This is more of a revisit.

New characters are important, but so are a healthy number of familiar characters.

This game may not have the flash that alot of newer games have, but that does not make it a bad game. ST still sees play for a reason.

This revisit is killing it for a lot of gamers. Im more excited over HD remix than SF4.
Im hoping by the time SF4 is released this revisit turns into a sequel.

[DavDz]

This revisit is killing it for a lot of gamers. Im more excited over HD remix than SF4.
Im hoping by the time SF4 is released this revisit turns into a sequel.

More like just you.

Except for you, and a handful of other idiots who feel this way, this game isn't really "killing it" for anybody.

If anything Street Fighter 3 was "killing it" for a lot of gamers.

[MaybeMemories]

This revisit is killing it for a lot of gamers. Im more excited over HD remix than SF4.
Im hoping by the time SF4 is released this revisit turns into a sequel.

HD remix vs SF4 ?
HD remix actually looks retarded, the game play is so old and frames per second are really not up to the sprites, check the latest videos, when characters are just standing it looks like their having a fit. Or maybe their just excited as much as you ;)

[Projectjustice]

HD remix vs SF4 ?
HD remix actually looks retarded, the game play is so old and frames per second are really not up to the sprites, check the latest videos, when characters are just standing it looks like their having a fit. Or maybe their just excited as much as you ;)

Yea its called the game isnt complete.

Im also more excited over this.

SSF2T HD Remix FAQ

Is the gameplay the same as Super Street Fighter 2 Turbo?
You actually get two games in one in this package:
1) SSF2T HD Remix
2) SSF2T HD Classic Arcade

SSF2T HD Remix is a brand new game. It’s a sequel to SSF2T, with over 100 changes to improve the balance and playability.

In the new SSF2T HD Remix gameplay, Akuma is rebalanced to compete fairly against the other characters. He is allowed and he no longer even requires a secret code to pick him.

[Sakura.Densetsu]

I make no judgement on the game itself until I play it.

After years and years of playing almost every fighter ever released, and seeing that I keep returning to ST and understanding why ; I then look at SFIV and see where it is similar to ST and am more excited that it will be what Street Fighter really needed as a sequel. There are elements to ST which no other game has come close to matching in terms of how complete the game feels.

There is no game (except maybe 3rd strike, and even then not as much) which makes me feel as stressed and challenged (in a good way) while playing. At the end of a marathon of ST games, I actually feel like I have accomplished something. Rarely can a game leave you feeling that way. I can sit and play ST for 8-12 hrs straight with good opponents, more if they are willing to play as long as I am. It does not get boring or repetitive.

I love Tekken, fun game for sure. But I grow bored playing it and can toss it aside for months. Challenge me to ST and I will say yes at almost any time. This game (IV) so far seems to have the elements which keeps drawing me to ST. There are a few things I question about it, but will wait until it is in my hands to pass judgement.

[crazydiamond]

Let's be Honest.

Yeah, like people weren't being honest before.

And no, not everyone agrees with your opinion.

[Azrael]

Part of me is thinking that the game is really only 50% completed. I mean, this is Capcom, and I'm sure if we've come to the conclusion that the game is sorta bare-bones, so have they. I've been thinking that, maybe, all these beta and loke tests are just to solidify the foundation - make sure there are no bugs or inherit balance issues. Make the foundation strong, and then build from there.

But then again, history also shows us that the first iteration of any SF game has been rather bare-bones compared to where the series ended up (WW, SFA1, NG, CvS1). While history isn't on our side, it is important to note that none of those games got the extensive testing, or had as much player feedback as SF4 is getting.

I don't necessarily think that simple is worst. I know I'm in the minority here, but I actually liked CvS1 over 2. Yes, 2 has many more characters and systems, and on paper its the better fighter, but I just like 1 better. CAP groove in CvS1 was sort of a gimped A3 - no air blocks, alpha counters, custom or variable combos, etc. But at the same time, IIRC, it was the first game to feature the three-level super bar without all the other systems distracting it. So you could really focus on super management, and I liked the way it worked with the team dynamic - there were characters who were super-whores, battery characters, etc.

CvS1 also had enough things to keep it somewhat fresh - ground rolling that let charge characters like Guile be able to move forward, and if you've strictly been a Capcom player over the last few years, half the cast was completely new to you.

I don't really need flashy new systems and what not, because those don't always add depth. I think that the best direction SF4 can take is to keep it simple, but just add a few things to the gameplay that really mix things up and make it different from all the other SF's out there. Put in enough new characters, and hopefully that should work.

[pootnannies]

This revisit is killing it for a lot of gamers. Im more excited over HD remix than SF4.
Im hoping by the time SF4 is released this revisit turns into a sequel.

i feel exactly the same way

[Shungokustasu]

i feel exactly the same way

Glad I'm not the only one. I'm very optimistic though. Just right now, I'm feeling other fighters than SFIV.

[DeathReaper47]

Yeah, the more I look at that KoF XII trailer, the more I wonder "What if..." *sigh*

[TS]

You guys are fucking retards.

I hope SF4 has no supers just to piss you off.

Normally I'd try to mask the fac that I was calling you retards with some big post with reasons why blah blah blah, but fuck you guys.

You are fucking stupid.

[poon]

It's stupid to go retro on pizza.

HAHAHA! Yes more mad libs before lock! :D

[Sakura.Densetsu]

Sometime less is more. KOFXII does look awesome...until KOFXIII, etc. Blaze Blue looks sweet, I will play it. But the more they stick into games the more that can imbalance it.

[baby jesus]

Wipe the semen off your eyes and look at the forums that have already discussed this over and over again.

:rofl::looney::rofl:

[crazydiamond]

Glad I'm not the only one. I'm very optimistic though. Just right now, I'm feeling other fighters than SFIV.

I'm not really feeling all the moaning.

[KayinNasaki]

I love how the game gets blasted for being SF2-2 even though it's just as different as Alpha or 3rd Strike in it's own way. Hell -- SF3 was an attempt to get back to the games roots too (though with a new cast and also failing completely to revisit it's roots, but hey). The only thing thats really odd is having the majority of the old characters in the game, but thats really it. It has possibly the most complicated system out of any Street Fighter.

[doctorx0079]

The fact of the matter is that if we don't buy SFIV then SF is DEAD. Capcom will see no reason to make more Street Fighters. This one is barely getting made as it is.

With all the work, blood sweat and tears going into this game, it has to be at least good and fun to play.

Gimme a break.

:rolleyes:

[Kataklysmic]

I love how the game gets blasted for being SF2-2 even though it's just as different as Alpha or 3rd Strike in it's own way.Hell. SF3 was an attempt to get back to the games roots too (though with a new cast and also failing completely to revisit it's roots, but hey). The only thing thats really odd is having the majority of the old characters in the game, but thats really it. It has possibly the most complicated system out of any Street Fighter.

A-fucking-men.

[SRKev]

I'm just happy to get anything, honestly.

How many years was the thought of "Street Fighter 4" the laughing stock of SRK?

Be happy with what you've got and shut the fuck up.

[ChromeX]

Part of me is thinking that the game is really only 50% completed. I mean, this is Capcom, and I'm sure if we've come to the conclusion that the game is sorta bare-bones, so have they. I've been thinking that, maybe, all these beta and loke tests are just to solidify the foundation - make sure there are no bugs or inherit balance issues. Make the foundation strong, and then build from there.

I don't really need flashy new systems and what not, because those don't always add depth. I think that the best direction SF4 can take is to keep it simple, but just add a few things to the gameplay that really mix things up and make it different from all the other SF's out there. Put in enough new characters, and hopefully that should work.

yes 100%. ill just add i hope\assume their dev team is reading this and will mature the title o-plently (for our expectations and theirs) before it comes out. so much speculation about why an incomplete game will suck i find amusing.

[Jimmy Bones]

It's stupid to go retro on SF4.

To be honest with you, i stopped reading from there, because i remember the time i was enjoing SF2 games from A to Z and today im really happy to see my old characters in '08.

:annoy: Until you trying to fuck up my emotions by saying its stupid to go back, WTF?!!
Fuck you!!!
:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

[vapulus]

You guys are fucking retards.

I hope SF4 has no supers just to piss you off.

Normally I'd try to mask the fac that I was calling you retards with some big post with reasons why blah blah blah, but fuck you guys.

You are fucking stupid.

Dammit, I can't rep++ you for this great post because I already repped you too recently for some OTHER great post.

Stop being so damned consistent, so I can rep you more. ...or maybe I need to find other people entertaining? Hmm... probably not

[Crab_Lips]

Hah! I was tired of SF2 by 1993/1994...where'd you get 1997 from? By then, we'd already had SFA and SFA2, not to mention I believe a bunch of spin off titles.

It's important to bring back the "stars" of a game when making a sequel. I just wish their designs were a bit more updated, that's all. And I'm hoping they don't completely neglect SF3's characters, which I feel are very strong designs.

Gameplay wise, players tend to want to know how to play a game before they actually play it. Especially if that game is called "Street Fighter," and they've been playing Street Fighter for over damn near 20 years.

[Infested Jester]

Ok I'll be honest, my fetish is to titty fuck girls while shitting on their stomachs.

[HARD BREAD]

Ok I'll be honest, my fetish is to titty fuck girls while shitting on their stomachs.

i dont know about the whole german shit fetish thing, but titty sex is a-ok with moi :tup:

[kenjiharima]

WTF?!! SEX?!!

Edit:

Ok Advance Varriable Geo was a fighting game that had sex on it. OK I dig!

[Dark Symphony]

The only thing SF2-2 about this game is the roster.

That and the revenge system are the only things that bother me.

Other than that, i can't wait to play a nice, grounded game, again.


While I argued initially that most SF fans have never stopped playing SF (And thus, ST characters are not so much nostalgic as they are what we've ben doing since 1993 or 1994 or so...), I know that others just plain skipped SF3 and maybe skimmed Alpha and even if they skimmed alpha3, that was 10 years ago.

If something like Killer Instinct was ressurected, I wouldn't be too upset if they didn't completely change the cast or redo everything.

I just think that SF4 isn't going to have this magnetic pull of new gamers that Capcom is stating they're going for because nostalgia or not, the SF2 cast is a bit archaic. It's going to be the hardcores who will make the game seem worth getting into for the new guys since there won't be an overabundance fo flashy effects and 897696 hit combos.

Sure, I would have personally preferred sone slight character design tweaks and maybe not so many ST characters, but beyond that, the game is still going to play the way it would have new characters or not...

[MidgetT]

i'm so glad that we're finally being honest with each other.

[Bobbypigo]

Ok I'll be honest, my fetish is to titty fuck girls while shitting on their stomachs.

Did someone say titties? I like titties.

[Nokato]

Did someone say titties? I like titties.

Hella.

I mean we are being honest, right?

[Bobbypigo]

^^^ my thoughts exactly!