Is it possible that none of the New Challengers will return?

[alphregza]

I know Ono wants this game to be like SF2 in many ways mainly because it's the most defining and well-known game in the entire series. I think the World Warrior through Hyper Fighting have been played by just about anyone who owned a Super Nintendo in the 90's or ever went to an arcade. That being said, just about everyone that I know that casually played SF back in the day has never even heard of any of the New Challengers.

Me and a couple of friends decided to play Super Turbo not too long ago and they had no idea who Cammy, DJ, or any of the others were. Is it possible that Ono might only take the characters from the three most popular iterations of the series? The fact that this game already has three grapplers makes me think that T. Hawk is not going to be in the game.

Would anyone really care if there are no New Challengers?

[BurningVigor]

*throws puppy off a cliff* meh

[pherai]

Me and a couple of friends decided to play Super Turbo not too long ago and they had no idea who Cammy, DJ, or any of the others were.

Your friends must be living in a cave if they don't know who Cammy is.

[*Onslaught*]

I can see Cammy coming back based on her popularity. Ono confirmed 2 new females(before Viper was revealed). So with Chun, Viper, new girl, and hopefully Cammy we have a balance of the first 2 females and the latest females in SF.

[BurningVigor]

Your friends must be living in a cave if they don't know who Cammy is.

Or it could be just like any other person who has never cared much for the fighting game scene....

[Higher-Jin]

I will mark out if fei long makes a return. Cammy is a given, just wait and see.

Dee Jay, T. Hawk, and everyone else can just burn in hell, sorry.

[Hydro-kinesis]

Is it possible that none of the new challengers will return?

Yes. Yes it is.


:wonder:




now, please enjoy another pointless thread.

[SlothHands]

Dee Jay, T. Hawk, and everyone else can just burn in hell, sorry.

Why you gotta be racist?

[Higher-Jin]

Why you gotta be racist?

Because I hate blacks and mexicans.

On a serious note, we already have el fuerte so there's no need for T. Hawk. Dee Jay can stay or go, I really can't bring myself to give a shit.

[deadfrog]

On a serious note, we already have el fuerte so there's no need for T. Hawk.

Capcom should know that winning over Mexican fans and players has nothing to do with how many Mexican characters they put in the game.

The true path to their hearts is to make the arcade board bootleggable. :rofl:

[EvilSamurai]

El Fuerte is probably just Vega with a different fighting style as they were too lazy to animate his claw in 3d so I can see all of the new challengers coming back. DJ should run a successful infomercial business and fight with the power of Tai Bo.

[True Grave]

I know Ono wants this game to be like SF2 in many ways mainly because it's the most defining and well-known game in the entire series. I think the World Warrior through Hyper Fighting have been played by just about anyone who owned a Super Nintendo in the 90's or ever went to an arcade. That being said, just about everyone that I know that casually played SF back in the day has never even heard of any of the New Challengers.

Me and a couple of friends decided to play Super Turbo not too long ago and they had no idea who Cammy, DJ, or any of the others were. Is it possible that Ono might only take the characters from the three most popular iterations of the series? The fact that this game already has three grapplers makes me think that T. Hawk is not going to be in the game.

Would anyone really care if there are no New Challengers?

Cammy in my opinion was the only one of the four that really established herself among the cast.

T-hawk, dee jay, and fei long? I could care less about, but hope Cammy comes back in a future title.

[Yurinka]

El Fuerte is probably just Vega with a different fighting style as they were too lazy to animate his claw in 3d so I can see all of the new challengers coming back. DJ should run a successful infomercial business and fight with the power of Tai Bo.

El Fuerte is Mexican. And Vega is Spanish.

BTW, there are more characters to be revealed including whole new characters and returning ones (Akuma is confirmed and Dictator, Claw and Cammy almost).

[KindredSpiritz]

Cammy was more or less confirmed in an interview with Ono. When Ono was asked about the female character balance he said there will be more females than Chun Li and Cammy.

Personally---the others ones aren;t in it, in all honesty I don't think 2 Mexicans will be in it.

Yurinka where is your information from?

[Chrno]

Then I'm sure at least two SFA girls and SF3 girls will make it...plus cammy is more popular than other street fighters.

[StuartHayden]

Cammy was the only one that had a back story. That'll be the only reason she'd be back. Her back story.

Fei-Long was some bruce lee palette swap.
T.Hawk was just some indian no one really gave a fuck about
Deejay (though he is my favorite character out of the 4) was pretty much deemed "Nigga #2"

[Ultima]

Cammy is likely. The other New Stereotypes? No way.

[Dander]

It's funny though because every Mexican I know thinks Vega is a faggot.

[BurningVigor]

Why would you ask a mexican what he thinks of Vega when that guy is from spain. Ive never met a mexican who rooted for spain in a soccer match

[pherai]

Or it could be just like any other person who has never cared much for the fighting game scene....

Well what would be the point of the example if they had never heard of any SF characters? He made special mention that they hadn't heard of the new challengers. If you're vaguely familiar with SF, it would be pretty hard not to be familiar with Cammy.

[Higher-Jin]

I really just want to see fei long's super rekka ken rendered in 3d. As I said before the rest can burn in hell, although after playing super turbo a bit more I have warmed up to dee jay a bit.

Still, if they are going to cut back on the returning characters, they should start with the least popular new challengers. Back of off fei long tho, I don't mean him. But seriously who doesn't love bruce lee?

I know he'll probably be cut with the rest, but a guy can still dream.

[StuartHayden]

But seriously who doesn't love bruce lee? .

*raises hand*

[Higher-Jin]

*raises hand*

That deserves a nunchuk to the head, you do realize that don't you? :nunchuck:

[Kataklysmic]

There's also the Japanese audience to think about. They've been stuck on SF2 longer than we have.

[StuartHayden]

That deserves a nunchuk to the head, you do realize that don't you? :nunchuck:

Why is that?

Cause I don't like action movies as much as most guys? And I don't like most asian cinema?

Not to mention most of his action scenes, even though were done very well were really over the top?

And lastly, his screams make my ears bleed. I honestly don't see how anyone can stand listening to that shit.

Yeah...

[gridman]

All this t hawk hate. hurts

[Gutter Trash]

I personally don't want any of those four New Challengers to return before a Vega or Bison.

If Dictator doesn't make it, then no New Challengers should be allowed IMO, not even Cammy

[LiftedResearch]

Fei Long might be a cheap Bruce Lee palette swap, but dammit, he had the original QCFx3 move. Let him back in.

[Aquashark]

there was a Bruce Lee in SF to have its palette swapped to Fei Long?

[archetype]

Well what would be the point of the example if they had never heard of any SF characters? He made special mention that they hadn't heard of the new challengers. If you're vaguely familiar with SF, it would be pretty hard not to be familiar with Cammy.

Not really. Believe it or not tons of people know of sf2 but have no idea that 2i or 3s exists. Same goes for anything that someone played a long time ago but never followed it for years. Some people played quake 1 years ago and didnt even know that there is a quake 4 out. Its not the uncommon dude.

[The Epidemic]

Why is that?

Cause I don't like action movies as much as most guys? And I don't like most asian cinema?

Not to mention most of his action scenes, even though were done very well were really over the top?

And lastly, his screams make my ears bleed. I honestly don't see how anyone can stand listening to that shit.

Yeah...

BLASPHEMY!!!!:mad:

[BurningVigor]

Well what would be the point of the example if they had never heard of any SF characters? He made special mention that they hadn't heard of the new challengers. If you're vaguely familiar with SF, it would be pretty hard not to be familiar with Cammy.

Meh I dont really feel like argueing something this stupid. All I know is in my life this kinda shit happened a lot. People recognize Ryu still calling him (RI-YOO), but once the new chars are introduced they go what? A friend of mine even said, "Why does boxer look so different?" when he saw Dee-Jay.

[UltraDavid]

My friends and I used to call Ryu "Roy." What, it was easier. Also, shut up.

I think Fei has the most original playstyle of the 4 new challengers, but for whatever reason he was dropped and never picked back up (console-only Alpha ports aside). Cammy and Hawk were pretty interesting takes on what grapplers can be, and I like playing them a lot. If they're still looking to add old characters (I'd rather them make more new ones, but whatever), I think it'd be cool if they put those guys in. As for DeeJay, I never understood DeeJay. He's a new Guile with some (not even all) new normals. Who cares? Why did they bother? I'm fine with losing him forever.

[Shungokustasu]

Why is that?

Cause I don't like action movies as much as most guys? And I don't like most asian cinema?

Not to mention most of his action scenes, even though were done very well were really over the top?

And lastly, his screams make my ears bleed. I honestly don't see how anyone can stand listening to that shit.

Yeah...

How could you say such things? :mad:

[Bernard]

*raises hand*

I bet is Bruce Lee was an 8 year old boy you would be all over that shit. I can picture you now trying to tempt him to take a ride in your moms minivan with some toy nunchucks, gladiator movies and some fourtune cookies.

[Higher-Jin]

All this t hawk hate. hurts

Ah stop your belly aching. T hawk will be in sf2 hd remix, and from what I've read he will about three times better than he ever was in super turbo. (Hawk dive is safe and doesn't bounce back, making it more akin to a dive kick. Super throw motions and throw motions no longer require an up input, he has his best normals etc.)

If t hawk does return in his ssf2t incarnation, he'd only be garbage anyways. The only way I'd want him in is if it was the sirlin t hawk version.

[gridman]

Id rather see hawk in 4 than 2 all over again with updated graphics.
I dont care how good or bad he is either really. I play him in ST and hes bottom of the barrel.

[Dark Symphony]

I know Ono wants this game to be like SF2 in many ways mainly because it's the most defining and well-known game in the entire series. I think the World Warrior through Hyper Fighting have been played by just about anyone who owned a Super Nintendo in the 90's or ever went to an arcade. That being said, just about everyone that I know that casually played SF back in the day has never even heard of any of the New Challengers.

Me and a couple of friends decided to play Super Turbo not too long ago and they had no idea who Cammy, DJ, or any of the others were. Is it possible that Ono might only take the characters from the three most popular iterations of the series? The fact that this game already has three grapplers makes me think that T. Hawk is not going to be in the game.

Would anyone really care if there are no New Challengers?


Hyperbole much? A bit of an overstatement, i'd say. The New Challengers were, like, a HUGE announcement everywhere when the info came out. You couldn't open a magazine without seeing something about it. The SF Crazy began to die out around that time, but it was still going strong when SSF2 was announced. "No one's ever head of these guys" has got to be a joke.

In fact, most casuals I run into remember, vividly, Super Street Fighter 2 but have a hard time distinguishing CE from Turbo.

I understand people want to make points, but do they need to fabricate so much in order to do so? The fact that they didn't become SF mainstays doesn't mean no one has heard of or remembers The New Stereotypes.

[Dark Symphony]

El Fuerte is probably just Vega with a different fighting style as they were too lazy to animate his claw in 3d so I can see all of the new challengers coming back. DJ should run a successful infomercial business and fight with the power of Tai Bo.


El Fuerte The MEXICAN GRAPPLER is probably just VEGA the SPANISH NINJA. And Capcom were probably jsut too lazy to animate a CLAW that... has no actual animations involved with it and kind of just sits on his arm...

I'm still not sure how a different look, a different name and a different fighting style isn't enough to be a DIFFERENT CHARACTER.

Why do people post ridiculous things like this?

Too lazy to animate the claw... the uninformed seem to LOVE to toss around the word "Lazy." It's usually the first sign that someone has NO idea what they're talking about.

[Dark Symphony]

Why is that?

Cause I don't like action movies as much as most guys? And I don't like most asian cinema?

Not to mention most of his action scenes, even though were done very well were really over the top?

And lastly, his screams make my ears bleed. I honestly don't see how anyone can stand listening to that shit.

Yeah...

Transparent. SOunds like one of those "I don't like something popular and I can't wait to express it" kind of people, complete with prefabricated tirade that they've probably stated 1000 times before. Easy to see through.

Haha... I mean, look at the 100% serious response to a post in which the purpose was probably more about showing off a nunchuk emote than it was about really bringing anything into question. Super serious response to a post meant to be taken lightly.

Someone was anxious to go on a tangent...

[Mycah Leonhart]

I swear to god I've seen it said more then once that ALL of the ST cast (even Akuma) will be in it.

I know it's in the same article that says "Bonus Stages will be there if I have to program them myself!"

Why was this thread even made? :confused:

[StuartHayden]

Transparent. SOunds like one of those "I don't like something popular and I can't wait to express it" kind of people, complete with prefabricated tirade that they've probably stated 1000 times before. Easy to see through.

Haha... I mean, look at the 100% serious response to a post in which the purpose was probably more about showing off a nunchuk emote than it was about really bringing anything into question. Super serious response to a post meant to be taken lightly.

Someone was anxious to go on a tangent...

:rofl:

[pherai]

Not really. Believe it or not tons of people know of sf2 but have no idea that 2i or 3s exists. Same goes for anything that someone played a long time ago but never followed it for years. Some people played quake 1 years ago and didnt even know that there is a quake 4 out. Its not the uncommon dude.

And Cammy wasn't in 2i or 3s. I was never talking about the characters in those games, just Cammy.

Meh I dont really feel like argueing something this stupid. All I know is in my life this kinda shit happened a lot. People recognize Ryu still calling him (RI-YOO), but once the new chars are introduced they go what? A friend of mine even said, "Why does boxer look so different?" when he saw Dee-Jay.

I'm not arguing, but I'd appreciate it if you read my posts before responding. I was only talking about Cammy, not Deejae.

[alpharudy]

bruce lee was great, yeah looking back now it is a tad annoying but i think the reason people love him is because he made martial arts popular in general not just movies. i love his action scenes but i gotta admit the acting is laughable but i understand his impact on the both sides of the globe when it comes to his martial arts...at least you respect his action scenes and are not totally talking bad about the man. so hey....its cool, to each his own

[ColdBrand]

Is it me or does Crimson Viper basically have the majority of Fei Long's moves? If so, that'd really suck that the stupid bitch is replacing the tribute to the most important martial artist in recent history.

[*Onslaught*]

Is it me or does Crimson Viper basically have the majority of Fei Long's moves? If so, that'd really suck that the stupid bitch is replacing the tribute to the most important martial artist in recent history.

She has none of his moves.

[Kunai]

Is it me or does Crimson Viper basically have the majority of Fei Long's moves? If so, that'd really suck that the stupid bitch is replacing the tribute to the most important martial artist in recent history.

The only thing that is similar between Fei and Viper is that flames come out of their kick. The properties are totally different. Fei's flame kick goes straight up and acts more like a shoryuken. Viper's flame kick does not act as a shoryuken. If you tried, you would get hit out of it 95% of the time. Mainly, it is used to hit people who attempt to hit you low. Viper's flame kick is also good as a cross-up in mid-air, and you can 2-in-1 a jumping attack to flame kick in mid-air. Fei can't do that.

Viper has no rekkas. You could say that Abel is ripping off Fei's Rekkas, but Abel's Rekkas have a few more mix-ups.

Viper has Seismo Hammer, Fei-Long doesn't have that.

Viper's Thunder Knuckles only hit once, it does advance her like Fei's Rekka, but you can't combo into anything else except a super.

Viper does not have Fei's wheel kick.

I'm sorry, but Viper does not rip off anything of Fei Long's. Not even close.

[ColdBrand]

Ok, I wasn't sure really, thanks for the answers guys.