10 years since CPS1 & Neo Emulated.. [Archive]

Crayfish

04-03-2008, 06:23 AM

Just realised its 10 years since CPS1 and Neo were first emulated.
Who remembers dos Callus, and playing Neo games with no sound on NeoRage? Zophar's Domain, ...the Madman's Cafe? Configuring twitchy jumpy joypads?
http://bloodlust.zophar.net/Callus/callus.html
http://www.sys2064.com/neorage.htm
This was a pretty massive event for me, I hadn't heard of emulation before Callus and thought I'd have to spend $1000's and have rooms full of arcade boards and Neo Carts to get to play the classics again :bgrin: Especialy daunting as I'd prolly payed for the boards several times over in the arcade and already bought the 16bit versions..

Clearly the SF world and SRK wouldn't exist as it does now without these wonderful pieces of software and the people who created them. Callus especialy was an amazing accomplishment (programmed by one guy Icer Addis), it ran CPS1 full speed on my crappy 233mhz AMD in 98!! It even emulated SF2 Hyper Fighting at the correct speed, (something that Mame still doesn't do, thank god for nFBA).

Its nice too that the the CPS circle is finaly complete, with the cracking last year of CPS3 and finaly getting truly great online play courtesey of GGPO & 0746's amazing nFBA. Thanks to all the unsung amatuer coding hereos for the last 10 years.

Hyper Fighting Channel. (http://www.youtube.com/Crayfis)

Sabin

04-03-2008, 06:45 AM

Wow, cant believe it's been 10 years, shit went by in a flash.
Can't forget CPS emulation without mentioning Sardu <3

Can't mention anything neogeo related without mentioning the guys at retrogames.com + neocharity <3 <3 <3

Hyperhal

04-03-2008, 06:49 AM

Can't mention ROMs without getting bannedOHFUCK

DeadlyRave-Neo

04-03-2008, 07:07 AM

wow a long time back when arcade@home had roms downloading them on a 56k modem those were the daze:rock:

Khiempossible

04-03-2008, 07:15 AM

I was too young to remember emulation, but I do remember downloading games on 56K. and starcraft, I think that' due for a 10 year anniversary soon.

Pasteycracker

04-03-2008, 07:26 AM

Wow... it has been about 10 years. Yikes I feel old...

CPS1 emulation was quite a breakthrough at the time. Allowing the fighting game community the ability to play these games only makes us strongahhhh ;D

I know it definitely made me a better SF player. :)

MUSOLINI

04-03-2008, 07:31 AM

its been 15 years almost since i bought my neo. its almost been 20 years playing sf2. shit pretty much got emulated when it all started dying out. yes, there where still some great games getting released, but the shit was dying out. now, 10 years later, its coming back alive again. long live 2d fighters. and fuck the traitors, capcom.

EveryFlowerFlow

04-03-2008, 08:15 AM

Haha Callus, those were the days. I remember they manage to make SFA1 to play on CPS1 somehow, that was big back then.

Captain Ryu

04-03-2008, 08:28 AM

Haha Callus, those were the days. I remember they manage to make SFA1 to play on CPS1 somehow, that was big back then.

Yeah, that was the cps1 changer.

felineki

04-03-2008, 01:25 PM

I'm still waiting for someone to find the Developer Menus in SSF2T (the text for them is there). They managed to find the Jojo's ones during CPS3 emulation development.

Lord BBH

04-03-2008, 01:47 PM

Actually, NeoRAGE wasn't the "first" Neo-Geo emulator... the first was something called Gekko. It was released as a "teaser" version, with full support to come in a later release... but it never happened. The Gekko teaser only played NAM-1975, but it played it perfectly without sound - it even had preliminary memory card support, which no other Neo-Geo emulator even attempted for a long time. Dumps of some other Neo-Geo games started making the rounds, and people figured out you could actually make those roms play in Gekko by changing the filenames, or something like that. I don't remember why the Gekko release was abandoned, but I seem to recall it sounded like some made-up bullshit reason.

Ahh, the days of checking ROMLIST and NeoCharity several times in a day in the hopes that something new was released...

complexz

04-03-2008, 01:53 PM

i Totally remember all this! neocharity had the tiny jet li picture in the corner

0746

04-03-2008, 04:29 PM

All closed source emulators have been dieing one by one with along their Author's interest. For some of them, one day people'll hear how their author lost his source code.

Hayama Akito

04-03-2008, 04:56 PM

Its been a while... the first emulator that i download was ZSNES... v200? it was in 97 or something like that, i remember that a friend of mine says to me "look, i can play Super Mario World in my computer" and i said "thats impossible, these games cant run on a PC", when i come to his house i just pissed my pants, specially when he say that he got all that for free...

I remember that the Neo-Geo emulation was a truly Internet chaos back in around 99/2001, tons of lamers and n00bs requesting for ROMs in every site you can possible imagine, asking for "how i can play the room!!111??????" and bitching the emulator authors when they starting to see that the Neo emulation can harm SNK and stop updating the list of supporting games... but oh well, it was part of the history of videogames, even if the companies tried to ignore it... and to be honest, they can say anything that they want against emulation, but if MAME doesnt exist the fighting scene will be already dead tons of years ago, specially in South America and China, and a lot of unknown games never surface to the public, and thats the real deal of emulation: Preservation.

By the way... today Nesticle gets exactly 11 years (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nesticle)... for me thats was the real start of the emulation.

Tiberious

04-03-2008, 05:09 PM

I too remember the 'breakthrough' of getting SFA in Callus. I also remember there being a code you could do that had lots of different effects, including a full character select (yes, it's true!).

You had the standard top two rows, and then at the bottom, it went:

Gouki, Rose, Sagat, Bison, Dan

Other things you could do included an opponent lineup select and simpler Dramatic Battle with CPU assistance.

What I remember about the 'code' is you held something on either 2P side, or both sides as you turned the game on, and after the version/release screen, you'd hear an explosion sound. After that, if you wanted other effects past the full select, you merely held buttons as you started the game.

Can ANYONE remember what the procedure was?

Mycah Leonhart

04-03-2008, 06:25 PM

I remember the days of SFA1 and netplay you had to know the other person's IP addy, me and my Cousin Danny (Codiac on here) played SFA1 and talked on MSN IM's Voice Chat all on 56K back in 2001.

My first Neo EMUs was KoF2K and MotW.......oh those were the days!!!

_MJ_#R

04-03-2008, 06:35 PM

oh memories..

CyberAkuma

04-03-2008, 08:50 PM

Indeed...those were the days. Back in high school, I can remember one of the many highlights over those years were looking forward to when the newest CPS2 XORs would be released, and then we could start playing games like the Marvel fighters!

Those were some good times, there. Now-a-days, I try to "make amends" by supporting official ports of the games whenever they come out. But I'll have to be honest...if it weren't for emulation, chances are I probably wouldn't have gotten into the likes of KOF until MUCH later, and God only knows if I would have even known that things like Waku Waku 7 even existed! :rofl:

Syxx573

04-03-2008, 11:18 PM

ya i played neorage back in the day (with no sound) and couldn't wait to get my own computer... it was awesome

Ducky

04-04-2008, 12:21 AM

CPS2Shock!

bennf

04-04-2008, 10:47 AM

I never realized when I started getting deep into emulation (age 10) was when it just took off like a rocket ship...

CPS2 was the cats pajamas and really kept things going but CPS3 is where its going, which I'm cool with.

Now NAOMI is the dream, right?

Len Momono

04-04-2008, 03:37 PM

Nebula was for me the best emu,but now i'm happy with CPS3Emu and MAME.

EndLeSS8

04-04-2008, 03:48 PM

Pablo_the_Mex

04-04-2008, 03:50 PM

Things always come back around I played KOF/SNK religiously when i was able to emulate them back in middle school. This was a time where I really could not get around to arcades.

Now, I own an MVS super gun and a cabinet with some capcom pcbs. This is serious stuff.

Jimmy Bones

04-04-2008, 03:56 PM

I didnt know its been 10 years.
I got NeoRageX since 2001, i got all the games, all played. Good times for sure.

:tup:

DeadlyRave-Neo

04-04-2008, 07:20 PM

yo i even remember the time i 1st saw emulator on a pc. i was doing security at the riverwalk mall in new orleans, and i was telling my boy koreanmike about the new fatal fury aka motw. then he snickered and said i got that shit already. i said thats bullshit yo parents aint that rich:annoy: so he pulled it up on his laptop and i almost shit my pants,:amazed: and i was like how much that shit cost and when he said that shit was free i took of work early went to gateway got a pc on credit and the rest is history:rock:

Crayfish

04-05-2008, 11:33 AM

wow a long time back when arcade@home had roms downloading them on a 56k modem those were the daze:rock:
For some reason I have this image of a huge fat dude in a pair of dungarees when I see the name arcade@home..? The dude must have posted a pic of himself at some point and the image stuck in my head. I'd not visited for years till U mentioned the name. Seems to have become some kind of right wing poltical blog now...
Indeed...those were the days. Back in high school, I can remember one of the many highlights over those years were looking forward to when the newest CPS2 XORs would be released
Yeah CPS2 was always the big one. I remember that the roms were released a long time before they were actualy emu'd. They had pride of place on my hard drive, even tho they were just sitting there not doing anythimg..

Dave's Videogame Classics was a good message board.
This thread is certified awesome.
Damn, Daves Video Classics, now that name sets the mind a rolling..
Wow, thanks man :)
:bgrin:
All this just brought back another name, who remembers 'JoseQ's Emu Views'?

Hyper Fighting Channel. (http://www.youtube.com/Crayfis)

Rhio2k

04-05-2008, 04:30 PM

I still have NeoRage (newer version of course) and I play my NeoGeo games on that.

I spent over $1000 playing KOF in the arcades over the years, and I finally got decent at KOF after the games were dumped.
You guys still remember when KOF99 was released over Christmas, when the dumper wanted them to be released privately, then publicly? yea.... someone released all of them and then everyone got them at the same time.

I bought RAM for my computer to run KOF98 smoothly.

Dave's Videogame Classics was a good message board.

Neocharity, KOF4ever message board, all sorts of craziness.

This thread is certified awesome.

I'll never forget how some dude in China taught me how to properly use links/command moves as combo extenders by raping me with Chris in an online '98 match. I used to play kof like sf before that match. Needless to say, my game was pathetically basic. Now I know, and knowing is half the battle.

EndLeSS8

04-05-2008, 05:14 PM

Yeah CPS2 was always the big one. I remember that the roms were released a long time before they were actualy emu'd. They had pride of place on my hard drive, even tho they were just sitting there not doing anythimg..

Hyper Fighting Channel. (http://www.youtube.com/Crayfis)

Same here, I had the roms for Alien vs Predator for YEARS, and it was one of the most beautiful days in my life (so far) when CPS2 was emulated.

Tetsuosan

04-05-2008, 05:15 PM

Now I know, and knowing is half the battle.
You can never go wrong with a GI Joe quote lmao~.

elvis_a_presley

04-06-2008, 11:23 PM

Indeed...those were the days. Back in high school
Christ, I know I'm getting old when I hear things like that...

All the same, great memories. Back in the days when you hat to frameskip to get full speed emulation from Neo Geo and CPS1. :rofl:

NemoDC

04-07-2008, 08:12 AM

Its nice too that the the CPS circle is finaly complete, with the cracking last year of CPS3

Huh? CPS3 was cracked?! So people are playing SF3 on their computers now... Time to google....

sayiajin1

04-08-2008, 01:21 PM

i remember downloading sf2 and final fight on callus for the first time in like 2001 i think. it was so hot playing the actual arcade games and showing my friends. i got into console emulation after that. i was such an idiot that i didnt even know callus and mame supported controllers back then. i just used them on meka and nesticle. what a fuckup. i played cps1 games for months on a keyboard. true story long time ago i played a guy that posted here named nightmare james in sf2hf. i think he had a good connection while i was on 56k. lag like a motherfucker. even time i jump i got dragon punched. i asked if he was using a controller and he said no. nobody can dragon punch on command on a keyboard. he was probably using hot keys or something.

those were the days. it certainly didnt hurt that all of this shit was and still is free

kyored

04-08-2008, 04:42 PM

wow a long time back when arcade@home had roms downloading them on a 56k modem those were the daze:rock:
same here. that was the shit.
I still have NeoRage (newer version of course) and I play my NeoGeo games on that.

I spent over $1000 playing KOF in the arcades over the years, and I finally got decent at KOF after the games were dumped.
You guys still remember when KOF99 was released over Christmas, when the dumper wanted them to be released privately, then publicly? yea.... someone released all of them and then everyone got them at the same time.

I bought RAM for my computer to run KOF98 smoothly.

Dave's Videogame Classics was a good message board.

Neocharity, KOF4ever message board, all sorts of craziness.

This thread is certified awesome.
I remember that. same with motw and kof 2000. madness
CPS2Shock!
:tup:

When I first got into it I got the nes and snes. I only got a handful of games and use to stay online because I thought that was the only way you can play them. When my 56k have got disconnected by accident I was mind blown when I found out I could play it offline LOL. Then I got ballz when I found out about snk and got kof 94 with the ''bad sound.'' It must have took 2hrs to get but I was happy as shit and played at least 5hrs straight before I when and got the good sounding one.

I've come a loooooong way form there and I'm thankful for the work that all those guys done over the years to make something like that possible and make gamer dreams come.

Truly thank you.:tup:

Bowza

04-08-2008, 05:04 PM

i i asked if he was using a controller and he said no. nobody can dragon punch on command on a keyboard. he was probably using hot keys or something.

those were the days. it certainly didnt hurt that all of this shit was and still is free

Not true man- when I started gettin into the emulation thing way way back- all I used was a keyboard too. Eventually I just got used to it- 360's, dragon punch, I can pull off a raging storm on the keyboard too now.

kyored

04-08-2008, 05:08 PM

Not true man- when I started gettin into the emulation thing way way back- all I used was a keyboard too. Eventually I just got used to it- 360's, dragon punch, I can pull off a raging storm on the keyboard too now.

me 2. I still play keyboard from time to time. Back then it was all u had.

EndLeSS8

04-08-2008, 05:23 PM

I don't have a joypad, so I've been playing fighting games online with keyboard all my life.

I can pull off almost everything, except for really difficult combos, 720s, and really fast KOF stuff.

I felt kinda bad for MOTW, because my university arcade had the game for 1 week, and then it was dumped and I had it.
Too bad MOTW never picked up much of a scene here.

Crayfish

04-08-2008, 05:45 PM

I don't have a joypad, so I've been playing fighting games online with keyboard all my life.

Yeah I lived with a Chinese guy for a while and was just amazed how well he could play on keyboard. He told me that he and all his friends just grew up using keyboard, its second nature. He told me that in some of his college lessons, half the class were playing emu'd KOF on keyboards, with the teacher at the front totaly oblivious :wgrin:

TripleChin

04-08-2008, 06:17 PM

All this just brought back another name, who remembers 'JoseQ's Emu Views'?

Yeah I remember that place and his emu rumor mill section or whatever he called it. Whatever happened to that place?

Who remembers thedump ? Downloading and playing those Genesis roms , like Streets of Rage 2 , for the first time blew me away back then. Genecyst was amazing.

EndLeSS8

04-08-2008, 07:00 PM

Yeah I lived with a Chinese guy for a while and was just amazed how well he could play on keyboard. He told me that he and all his friends just grew up using keyboard, its second nature. He told me that in some of his college lessons, half the class were playing emu'd KOF on keyboards, with the teacher at the front totaly oblivious :wgrin:

I seriously got better at typing from playing games on keyboard.
It's kinda funny and a bit sad that I play at like 80% of my full potential with joystick. :rofl:

Wai

04-08-2008, 08:28 PM

what the hell is neo geo?

*rim shot

Renesis_13

04-08-2008, 11:16 PM

Emulation was the reason I got into computer moding too, I made my first homemade PS1-to-LPT1 converter when I started playing with Neorage-X

This thread is pure awesomness :tup:

SNAAAAKE

04-09-2008, 04:56 AM

I remember...

callus was the first emulator ive ever used and on my very first computer. playing on keyboard sucked so I build my own arcade stick too. at the time I was one of the very few people that build shit. I remember arcadecontrols.com having only like 20-30 projects on their examples page. epic shit ! :pleased:

n8archer_XI

04-16-2008, 12:39 PM

10 years and still no Naomi emulation...*sigh*

Lonestar

04-19-2008, 05:28 AM

Naomi emulation should be here soon enough. Dreamcast is already emulated fairly decently and hell, even PS2 emulation is more than passable on a nice computer. Its only a matter of time.

Oh and who remembers that ROM site SNESmerism? That site had everything but I think they got shut down, late 90's early 2000s. First emulator I got was Nesticle, then Snes9x, then I got into the Neo and MAME and all the good stuff. I think I even had a pretty good PCEngine emulator too.

I totally agree that without emulation, communities like SRK or Shmups wouldn't have grown as much as they have. Emulation is a godsend for old games and older gamers who still dig the classics!

Codiac

06-10-2008, 10:42 AM

arstal

06-10-2008, 11:05 AM

I gotta say that emulation is probably what kept me from quitting fighters. I've been very disenchanted with this decade's fighters, so it's the games of the 90s that keep me around.

ChairHome

06-10-2008, 11:16 AM

Yeah I remember that place and his emu rumor mill section or whatever he called it. Whatever happened to that place?

Who remembers thedump ? Downloading and playing those Genesis roms , like Streets of Rage 2 , for the first time blew me away back then. Genecyst was amazing.

I remember thedump. That place was awesome.