What should be Street Fighter 3 canon fate & direction?

[The_Shakunetsu]

Ok ono hinted these some on his interview on gamespot:

GS: When is the game's story set in Street Fighter chronology?

YO: Well, the [sequel] number has indeed ticked up one unit, but the story and time period is actually not after SFIII. This game actually takes place after SFII. Is it before SFIII? Does it represent some parallel timeline? I guess you'll have to wait and see...
As for why we choose to not place the game after SFIII, ask me again at a later interview...

GS: We'll try to wait until then. Thanks for your time.

The question is what should SF3 fate, its Characters, its Storyline and everything.

From:

http://www.gamespot.com/arcade/action/streetfighteriv/news.html?sid=6185761

Here are my choices and specific reasoning for you to decide:

1.) Ignore/Delete

Complete ignore the SF3 character, Existence & Events which i really don't like.

Since it would waste all the design potential on each characters and minimize the variation of fighting styles plus disregarding all the establish fanbase on SF3.

Advantage:

1.) Stay all SF2 characters
2.) Posibly retouch Alpha Storyline for them to reappear

Disadvantage:

1.) Eliminates SF3 as a whole

No alex, elena(potential), oro, dudley(better than balrog), yun, yng, twelve, ibuki and much more.

2.) Waste of concept and Fighting styles

3.) Loss of SF3 Fanbase

There were many alex, ibuki fanbase that already exist

Plus dudley is better balrog his concept was supperior

2.) Continue

Continue all official events on Sf3 as they were without anything that would be change and making SF4 and Sf3 on the same timeline but there is such a downside on this part since it would eliminate majority SFA and SF2 cast to give way on SF3.

Advantage:

1.) Maintain SF3 Fanbase

Disadvantage:

1.) Eliminates alot of SFA and SF2 fighter existence and plot.

Why? because it manged to seal majority of SF2 fighters fate thats why they didn't appear on the 3rd tournament.

Honda proved sumos pwn. - so no more honda.

Blanka found his moms. - no more blanka

Guile is a family man. - no more guile

Zangief had no purpose, he's gonna just go wrestle bears again. - no zangief

Dhalsim save his village already. - no dhalsim

Cammy joined red delta and happy with her life. - no cammy

Bison is dead. - dead

Vega- is nowhere - no shadaloo

Sagat would be scrap out.

Sakura quit fighting went to school and never ever comeback since alpha even to SF3 timeline

2.) Waste of concept and Fighting styles

3.) Loss of SF2 or SFA Fanbase

Cammy had a lot of fanbase existed same as bison, zangief, dhalsim and alot of SF2 and SFA.

3) Retcon

Edit the Storyline of SF2 and SF3 to make there characters to return at any future SF games fixing there existence whether he or she is from SF2, SF3 or SFA to comeback to SF5. This will never ignore each other existence even popular characters in any SF series giving them equal chances to appear. which would be healthy for the franchise and fans as well.


Advantage

1.) Make every fanbase happy in future games

Since there character had more likely expected to appear on future SF games rather than ignored

2.) Variation of Fighting styles

3.) Expect the SF All Star Cast

4.) Dream crossovers like:

Balrog to dudley

Sakura to Makoto and ibuki

Bison to Gill

Hugo to Zangief

Disadvantage

1.) Change minor parts of storyline to make fighters tie-in for every game.
2.) Usually eliminates unpopular ones like blanka, necro, dhalsim, balrog

4.) Alternate/Parallel timeline

Or making SF3 events on alternate senario or another world to make them still exist. There would be 2 universe instead of occuring 1 and capcom has a chance of choosing which 1 of the universe would be use per SF sequel which they felt it should be. This is the one mentioned on ono's interview.

Advantage

1.) Makes Fanbase love & like random SF sequels
2.) Everything exist and the most favorable universe would always choose to go

Disadvantage

1.) Makes Fanbase hate & dislike random SF sequels
2.) Least favorable universe might stay on hibernation.

[Zandwich]

who the fuck cares

[COUM]

who the fuck cares

[Dandy J]

who the fuck cares

[The_Shakunetsu]

Fighters in a fighting game is a very important thing.

Dudley was a great fighter than balrog? its something like that.

[Spinning Beat]

shut the fuck up plz -_-

[ssjtin]

"I'M BLUE, BA DA BI DA BA DA, BA DA BA DI, DA BA DI DA BA DA BI DA BA DAAAAA!





I have a blue house with a blue windooooow..."

So yeah, thats the direction I would like to see.

[Bobbypigo]

Another poll huh?

Where is the "I wish I never opened this thread" option.

[crazydiamond]

I love how if something somehow contradicts something else that happened in a previous street fighter that it has to have happened in a frickin parallel universe.

Fuck that. Why not just accept THEY CHANGED SOMETHING. If you don't focus on it it doesn't matter.

Man these people must lose sleep at night trying to figure out how Charlie died 5 times.

[Gutter Trash]

Bison stay alive forever.
oh! he does, he is coming back in SF4!
long live Bison

[Aquashark]

who the fuck cares

gameplay > anime fagness story

[DarkNecrid]

who the rfuck cares

[pherai]

I think the sure fire solution to any storyline inconsistencies is introduce a new character named 'The_Shakunetsu' and make him a major douche.

[The_Shakunetsu]

Who cares? Just vote.

[Kataklysmic]

Who cares? Just vote.

Fuck you. :wgrin:

[Cronopio]

I seriously can't understand the explosion of gay that happens everytime anyone shows even the slightest interest in SF's (or any fighting game) story. I mean, it's perfectly fine if you don't care, but I don't see the need to be a dick to everyone who does.

[Gutter Trash]

fuck cannon. seriously fuck cannon.

Bison for Life. Fuck Akuma killing him with a Raging Demo sending him to hell...
Fuck cannon.

Bison for life. Street Figter IV with the 4 bosses = awesomeness

[XEN MASTER MARK]

Who the fuck cares?

OMG - Moderator gets to close a thread that actually deserves to be closed! Rejoice!

[The_Shakunetsu]

Nah it won't. Thread fines Just vote!

[chunbelievable]

Really don't care.

[The_Shakunetsu]

It seems like many care after all about SF3 canon :rofl:.

[Pablo_the_Mex]

It seems like many care after all about SF3 canon :rofl:.

Do you realize how many 3s players there are? There seem to be thousands, and only twenty of them are actually good at the game.

[The_Shakunetsu]

Do you realize how many 3s players there are? There seem to be thousands, and only twenty of them are actually good at the game.

I didn't. I'm a 3s player but i admit it i'm not good but still I like 3s especially Alex and Dudley playability.

I really want Dudley over Balrog.

[Lobelia Mk. IV]

If I had to name SFIII's best designs, it'd be Dudley at the top, followed by Ibuki, Elena, Urien, Gill, and Remy. Having a faggy SNK-looking character in Street Fighter is lulz to me, I don't care what anyone says. My personal favorite character in SF history is Elena, and if SFIII canon is removed entirely, then I hope that she's introduced somehow.

[Lammbock]

Do you realize how many 3s players there are? There seem to be thousands, and only twenty of them are actually good at the game.

Do you realize no one likes your 'I hate SF3' posts?
Seriously....this is the SFIV forum so keep it out....

edit: AND NO ONE INSULTS EMO YANG!

[Irish-Ken]

LOL @ the difference in responses from the version of this tread on the capcom forums and this one.

Both are just as childish though.

Who the fuck cares? "Your auld one cares" :wgrin:

Seriously though, got nothing positive to say? Don't say anything at all then for fuck sake. :looney:

[jabhadouken]

Ok ono hinted these some on his interview on gamespot:

The question is what should SF3 fate, its Characters, its Storyline and everything. yadda yadda yadda... a thousand points of light... et al.

Who the fuck cares?

LOL @ the difference in responses from the version of this tread on the capcom forums and this one.

Both are just as childish though.

Who the fuck cares? "Your auld one cares" :wgrin:

Seriously though, got nothing positive to say? Don't say anything at all then for fuck sake. :looney:

Who the fuck cares?

[Bobbypigo]

Fuck you. :wgrin:

Guyzzzz why are you all so meen? Gosh! This is a Street fighter website, I mean Gosh!

[pherai]

Seriously though, got nothing positive to say? Don't say anything at all then for fuck sake. :looney:

You're in the wrong fucking forums if you think people are going to listen to shit like this. How about you follow your own advice and if you don't have anything nice to say about people flaming, don't say anything at all?

[Sakura.Densetsu]

@"who the fuck cares?"

Obviously alot of people. The person who made this thread. Half the people posting. the guy designing SFIV. They all care.

It was even mentioned at one point he wanted to put Ibuki in the game at one point. Obviously SFIII will matter to some degree, and it should. There are great characters in there, and while Bison is definately a better character as a Boss, Gill is actually a pretty cool character. Not everyone likes him, I can understand. Not everyone likes Ryu even, so who really cares if people don't like things about SFIII.

SNK fans are far more easy going about the direction of their games. Every KOF there are major changes. New characters, new bosses, new costumes, changes to how important characters play (Terry, Kyo, Ryo, Robert...all drastically different from game to game), changes in who the main hero is. SNK fans go with the flow. SF fans tend to be more anal. Change Chun Li's costume...whine whine...oh its back YAY. EX changed the Hurricane kick...Whine whine...oh its back...YAY. Oh No the next SF better have everyone from SF2 in it!!!!

Seriously guys. I love Super Turbo. It is still my favorite fighter ever. But I don't want every new SF game to be a clone of it.

[XEN MASTER MARK]

The original post relates to plot and timeline rather than gameplay mechanics.

I care a lot about gameplay mechanics and although I consider myself a gameplay purist, I care a lot about graphics. But for the life of me, I cannot bring myself to give a flying fuck about the supposed history, motivations, fates and aspirations of fictional fucking characters.

My enjoyment of a given fighter doesn't hang on whether or not Chun Li avenges her dog's death, or whether Guile and Charlie finally get back together, or if Blanka's ingrown toe nails eventually give him gangrene. The developer knows this. That's why they spend a sum total of about 5 minutes on all the character biographies combined and that's also why nobody else should give a shit about them. If you want a story, read a book.

[goodm0urning]

I think the canon fate and direction of Street Fighter IV are working well and Ono is on the right track.


Oh, I'm sorry, you were asking about SF3. I could have sworn this was the SF4 forum. My bad, I guess I'm blind and/or illiterate.

[Captain Ryu]

Where's the stfu vote?

[Zandwich]

if he put a who the fuck cares on the poll then write-in votes wouldn't be necessary

[Irish-Ken]

You're in the wrong fucking forums if you think people are going to listen to shit like this.

Ah so you admit flaming is encouraged here? Sweet! :woot:


Who the fuck cares?



Who the fuck cares?

Your MA cares.


muahahahahhaha

[Sakura.Densetsu]

There would be no game if there was no story. Characters designs have some basis on story in many ways. Cody would not have beened designed as a jailbird and Charlie would not excist if not for storyline. Rose is a purely storyline based character. Mechanically she was designed to showcase the new play mechanics in Alpha, but artistically and flavourwise she is purely story based. Sakura and Karen are story based as well. In SF3, Necro and Twelve are deeply entwined in the story from a design perspective.

Story makes the characters intresting and makes us want to play them. Would you play Street Fighter if it was stick figures? Without flavour, there is no character design. Mechanically; it doesn't matter whether Ryu wears a Gi, it doesn't matter whether Guile is a military bad ass, it doesn't matter whther Fei Long looks like Bruce Lee or if he is a Tomato with legs.

I gurantee you there is far more than five minutes put into the story in these games, the very design of the characters themselves involves a story the designer makes up in their head as they draw them and come up with move ideas.

If Street Fighter II had no concept of a storyline in it, it would not excist right now. It would not have been anywhere near as popular in the arcade. To see what adding story to a game does, look up Donkey Kong in the Wikipedia...and how it revolutionized the game industry.

If you say "I don't care", then you do not care about Street Fighter at all.

[The Lone Dragon]

There would be no game if there was no story.

If Street Fighter II had no concept of a storyline in it, it would not excist right now. It would not have been anywhere near as popular in the arcade. To see what adding story to a game does, look up Donkey Kong in the Wikipedia...and how it revolutionized the game industry.

If you say "I don't care", then you do not care about Street Fighter at all.

You speak the truth. The absolute truth. Story dictates everything, from move list to design to voice actor and beyond.

But, there's no point posting it here...because, for one reason or another people just don't want to hear it here. This thread will probably be locked shortly, while threads like the universal overhead thread will remain open. Why? There are no universal overheads in SF4. Shrug. Theorizing about gameplay elements is apparently more valid than theorizing about story elements.

It's just a matter of personal focus and interest, I suppose. Some people want to focus solely on gameplay, others can openly focus on both story and gameplay. Neither is more right than the other.

Now back to checking out the loke test thread for updates...

[TS]

You are wrong. Like, completely.


Then again, who the fuck cares?

Basically the character designs are often based on ideas of background stories for the characters- canon, to the extent which it even exists in Street Fighter is debatable and only limits what you can do with the characters and the games. Intead of looking at SF4 for SF4, you will have random people who should have stayed at GameFAQs or the Capcom BBS instead of coming to SRK and making retarded posts, get their panties in a bunch because OMG M.Bison should be dead. And then make ridiculous requests that SF3 characters be in the game which make no sense.

Fuck canon. Period. It adds ridiculous borders on what you can do with the characters who you supposedly love so much. And causes people to believe M.Bison switches bodies for no reason.

[CCatalyst]

This crowd is really anal. Seriously you guys need to stop being such major douchebags and accept the fact that some people are interested in different aspects of the game and, just maybe, some people are interested in the storyline that the video game follows.

You should probably wipe the shit out of your eyes after you take your head out of your ass before you make a response to a thread next time and grow the fuck up.

As far as this thread goes? I really hope they find a way to make the storyline work and still include how SF3 went. But, we'll see what they really decide to do.

[goodm0urning]

There would be no game if there was no story.Untrue.

[Sakura.Densetsu]

There is no reason Bison cannot return, even after being killed by Akuma. If anyone can find a way to return it is Bison, his very character design makes it so easy for the game developers. In fact, it can even be tied easilly into SF3 storyline as well. Both Shadowloo and the Illuminatee practiced cloning and genetics experiemnts. Bisons powers are Psychic, and half of him (Rose ) are Soul based. Any one with an ounce of creativity could have him return in any number of sequels, either as a Boss or as a non-boss character.

[TS]

Untrue.

Actually backwards, of course.

This thread is awful.

HAY GUYZ, WHAT SIZE R ZANGIEF'S SHOOZ?? I'M WRITING A FANFIC AND I CAN'T FIND THE INFO THX. Listen. It is OK that you are interested in the story of the game.

But this is not a fucking RPG. This is not a AD&D session. The gameplay aspect of fighting games is generally much more important than anything else, with storyline coming in a distant second, especially in Street Fighter.

A bunch of you bitches are getting sand in your vaginas because "OMG SRK IS LAME :lame: cuz they care if people care." First of all, fuck you. Go back to SNK-Capcom. Peace the fuck out. Second of all, YOU assholes have to recognize that a lot of people don't fucking care. The SF4 forum in particular is already blighted with stupid wishlist horseshit, and this, while not quite as obnoxious, is similar.

[*Onslaught*]

You could still have SF3 characters and just eliminate the canon all together to make sense.

[Septimus Prime]

There would be no game if there was no story. Characters designs have some basis on story in many ways. Cody would not have beened designed as a jailbird and Charlie would not excist if not for storyline. Rose is a purely storyline based character. Mechanically she was designed to showcase the new play mechanics in Alpha, but artistically and flavourwise she is purely story based. Sakura and Karen are story based as well. In SF3, Necro and Twelve are deeply entwined in the story from a design perspective.
"Okay, so we're working on the design for the final boss of this game. He uses psycho energy to eradicate his opponents and wants to enslave the world to make it suit his own, twisted machinations of a perfect utopia."

"Hm. Yeah, he should wear a hat. Story dictates it."

[Kataklysmic]

There is no reason Bison cannot return, even after being killed by Akuma. If anyone can find a way to return it is Bison, his very character design makes it so easy for the game developers. In fact, it can even be tied easilly into SF3 storyline as well. Both Shadowloo and the Illuminatee practiced cloning and genetics experiemnts. Bisons powers are Psychic, and half of him (Rose ) are Soul based. Any one with an ounce of creativity could have him return in any number of sequels, either as a Boss or as a non-boss character.

For fuck's sake, just stop posting. The reason this thread's getting trashed is because it adds NOTHING to the info that's being released about this game. It'll be closed soon. Why talk about it when Capcom's already made up their minds on the whole fucking matter anyway?

[wolf_1]

snip
tl:dr

who the fuck cares

[Alzarath]

Take this shit to gamefaqs.

[Aquashark]

stop quoting Sakura.Densetsu (use "snip").
it renders ignore useless :/

[The_Shakunetsu]

1.) Ignore/Delete - Complete ignore the SF3 character, Existence & Events which i really don't like.

6 people didn't care.

2.) Continue - Continue all official events on Sf3 without changing

29 people cared :rofl:

3.) Retcon -Edit the Storyline of SF2&SF3 to make there fighters to return at any future SF

13 people doubts

4.) Alternate/Parallel timeline -making SF3 events in a different universe

5 people wants ono decision

Many really cared for SF3 fighter to appear in the future games

6/29- :rofl:

[TS]

Uh, except this thread has like 800 views, but only 60 votes, you human condom.

[The_Shakunetsu]

View can be repeated as much but it has 49 post and and 55 votes :rofl:

Majority act like idiot (Taunting & Flame Baiting) in posting but the poll tells they cared at all

Didn't you care ever about Sf3 characters? like twelve? dudley? did you want them be forgotten and not be played again? I like also Sf2 fighters.

[pherai]

Read a book if you want a story. Games are designed so people have fun, and any sort of story is supplemental, not the driving force. If the story was so important, you'd think it wouldn't be so shitty :rofl:

[crazydiamond]

Fuck canon. Period. It adds ridiculous borders on what you can do with the characters who you supposedly love so much. And causes people to believe M.Bison switches bodies for no reason.

Yes exactly. Story is fine. But canon is a mutated fucktard of story. The worst and most annoying part is people think that this fictitious world MUST MAKE SENSE and nothing can contradict anything else. And so we have people trying to look for clues that don't exist, and must know who Q is or who killed Bison or if Poison has a freakin cock or not.

Well here's somthing to fuck with all you canon diehards how do you explain Ryu and all the other fighters fighting millions of pointless rounds over and over and over again for the last 15 years? And how can they still be alive with that many hits to the head? How do they even survive ONE screw pile driver? Why has Yun's cap NEVER fallen off? Surely these are more fascinating questions that must be addressed first.

Story is fine. Canon is fuck.

[COUM]

canon = trying to establish which fictional version of events actually fictionally happened? :confused:

[Hisham]

Fuck everything...

I just wanna see an Oro trained Ryu sometime... That would be badass. It would make things interesting...

[Don Mack]

CHoices 1 or 4 would be fine with me, except I'd miss Dudley. Abel seems more fun than Alex, and you don't need Hugo when Zangief is better anyway. The rest of the SF3 characters I could care less about.

I'm not concerned with the story either. It's already been retconned several times already with Alpha, etc. As long as the story isn't as bad as Tekken 5 an onward.

[The_Shakunetsu]

Read a book if you want a story. :rofl:

Nah its not the story dude its all about SF3 fighters and there fighting styles

AS of now

1.) Ignore/Delete - Complete ignore the SF3 character, Existence & Events which i really don't like.

6 people didn't care on Sf3

2.) Continue - Continue all official events on Sf3 without changing

31 people cared on Sf3 and almost didn't care on the rest of Sf2

3.) Retcon -Edit the Storyline of SF2&SF3 to make there fighters to return at any future SF

15 people cared too much to everything SF3 and Sf2

4.) Alternate/Parallel timeline -making SF3 events in a different universe

6 people wants ono decision that is mentioned on gamespot

Many really cared for SF3 fighter to appear in the future games

6/31 - :rolleyes:

For those who didn't care Vote 4# - which means let ono & capcom decide.

[COUM]

i think the people who dont care will just not vote dude

[The_Shakunetsu]

i think the people who dont care will just not vote dude

does that means 4 & 1 is considered landslide already?

[-Beat-]

Canon really doesn't matter. They could put any character they want in the game, and it would be for the gameplay. I hope Capcom isn't thinking about canon, because that would just get in the way of making the game. Ono seems to ignore it in his interviews, which is good, besides the "SF 2.5" thing.

[The_Shakunetsu]

Canon really doesn't matter. They could put any character they want in the game, and it would be for the gameplay. I hope Capcom isn't thinking about canon, because that would just get in the way of making the game. Ono seems to ignore it in his interviews, which is good, besides the "SF 2.5" thing.

I hope so capcom think that way and never limit themselves because of canon issues.

They should maximize all there posible ideas without limits.

[Shinkuu Tatsumaki]

Make SF4 a parallel timelime or just ignore SF3 completely(though they can still use SF3 characters)

Only because if they decide to add Ibuki into the game, I don't want to be playing a 14 yr old Ibuki.

[terracotta]

i nearly fell out of my chair reading the first 3 replies.

but really, you guys should know better than this. there's the Comic Book Discussion forum (http://forums.shoryuken.com/forumdisplay.php?s=&daysprune=&f=214) if you want to talk with other canon-minded people on the board.

and yeah, to reiterate:

who the fuck cares?

[terracotta]

and i swear i will kick the ass of the next person who corrects me when i refer to "the Shotos" by saying "it's actually Ansatsuken".

[UltraDavid]

Maybe I could think of less important things in a fighting game, but... I got nothin off the top of my head. The box art, maybe?

[COUM]

Maybe I could think of less important things in a fighting game, but... I got nothin off the top of my head. The box art, maybe?

box art probably has more impact on sales than story

[Saotome Kaneda]

who the fuck cares wins the poll