SSF2T vs HSF2A? Why?

[AcidGlow]

I always wondered why ppl play SSF2T so much over HSF2Anniversary? I've tried both and I'd take HSF2A any day. It simply has so many styles of characters to play as that the matches are most likely going to be very different. So I was wondering what are the main reasons kaillera gamers choose to play SSF2T over HSF2A?

[R-Jive]

So just because it has different styles of characters, it is better ?

FAIL

HSF2 is broken beyond believe. There are characters that simply dominate everyone else.

[MrSimpson]

Well, I think its as simple as...

ST=well balanced, and by well I dont mean perfect.
AE=:confused:

[Josh-TheFunkDOC]

CE Guile & CE Dictator are way too good. Also WW Guile if you wanna count him - he does more damage and has low short redizzies, but can't perform reversals.

In casual matches where people aren't playing totally gay, it's a fun game for sure. But in a competitive environment, ST wins hands down.

[Len Momono]

ST...AE = CE Dictador tourney faggotry.

[Kyokuji]

AE is dominated by CE faggotry for lack of a better word.
CE Bison, Guile, Ryu, Sagat

The only ST characters that are viable are 'Sim, Claw and Ryu from what I've seen.
If you thought O. Sagat was bad, CE Bison is a whole 'nother story.
He makes a classic game look very ugly, and frankly, retarded.

[Professor Jones]

Kyokuji : you forgot Chun and Rog. Basically all the tops are still viable in AE (apart from sagat since CE sagat is a better version).

But yeah, AE is trash. I wonder why some people play it competitively. Thank god they brought back ST for the Tougeki.

[Kyokuji]

It was just something new for a while, and people have been desperate for new fighters.
If it had come out at, say, the peak of 98 or something, nobody would've given it the time of day.

[AcidGlow]

Hmm, I see. So balance issues really break the game in HA? I've just played with people for fun who don't abuse some sort of repititous pattern so I haven't noticed. Thankx for the info.

[Vintage]

Acid,

You have to take what you read with a grain of salt...especially on SRK when it comes to ST. The only players who don't like AE, are ST players. Why have most of the posts been anti-AE? Well, SRK is VERY Pro-ST in terms of SF2. You wont hear SSF2 or HF players complaining about AE. Besides, you can always just go mode specific on that game (a fact that seems to have alluded 99.9% of SRK). If you play nFBA, look up my bro (under DGV). He greatly prefers to play AE over ST.

[dbostick]

I only like ST better because in Hyper, Turbo 2 is too slow and Turbo 3 is too fast. ST's Turbo 2 has the perfect speed.

Speaking of CE Bison, that shit shouldn't have been stuck into Shaq Fu or some shit like that.

[MrSimpson]

Here is but a small example of why AE is not as tourney worthy as ST, and IMO hurts the over all quality of the game.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bBg18nC8XGk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5E5lMgGR_k&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sYWWAHpbRBw&feature=related

Gay. Esp the Bison mirror. PSYCHO CRUSHA

[SaBrE]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mq7YedpTOcc

lol but seriously:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_PXlwvlB4o&feature=related


horrible, just horrible. this is top level play in ae...

vintage: its not that people hate AE overall. people just dont like AE as a tournament game. no one has issues with the game really, as a casual game. atleast i dont, the game is fun. its just super retarded on a tourney level IMO

[DreamTR]

AE is fun, but the damage/balance issues are completely screwed up, so that's why people like ST more as a tourney game.

[AcidGlow]

Sonic sonic sonic sonic sonic. lol. Ok, thakx for the info.

[SpinalBlood]

It could be funny but I find lame to play it because it steals the time to a real 2x session which is more balanced and less annoying

[Sanjuro_The_Ronin]

Acid,

You have to take what you read with a grain of salt...especially on SRK when it comes to ST. The only players who don't like AE, are ST players. Why have most of the posts been anti-AE? Well, SRK is VERY Pro-ST in terms of SF2. You wont hear SSF2 or HF players complaining about AE. Besides, you can always just go mode specific on that game (a fact that seems to have alluded 99.9% of SRK). If you play nFBA, look up my bro (under DGV). He greatly prefers to play AE over ST.

Not really. I enjoy playing all the SF2 games except AE. I just find it to be lazy on Capcom's part by mashing them all into one game. I would much rather play any of the individual SF2s instead of wasting time with AE.

[Vintage]

For the n'th time...PLAY MODE SPECIFIC for either HF or SSF2 (for both casual and tournies). Done. Simple.

Sabre & DT I hear what you are guys are saying and I even agree to a degree. That's why I support mode specific play on this game.

[deadfrog]

^ ^ ^ ^
I would agree that such arbitration does make AE more competitively playable, but there lies a problem within this.

Wouldn't most people just prefer the original versions of their respective games? Wouldn't you then rather play real HF or real SSF2?

[Vintage]

^ ^ ^ ^
I would agree that such arbitration does make AE more competitively playable, but there lies a problem within this.

Wouldn't most people just prefer the original versions of their respective games? Wouldn't you then rather play real HF or real SSF2?


I'm glad you brought that up. Regarding HF...well, arcade-wise, the speed seems to vary from board-to-board, let alone ultracade-to-ultracade. If one were to play the HF mode only, the speed issue is finally solved. All 3 speeds on AE aren't arbitrary. It's the same every time.

As for SSF2, this is easy. The option to increase the speed on AE for this respective mode (as well as others) automatically makes it better than the original (painfully slow).

AE actually gives you 2 good playable CONSOLE ports for HF & SSF2.

[SaBrE]

why is ultracade even brought up? lol, that thing is horrible in every aspect.

ive never had a problem with hf arcade speeds from board to board. maybe a slight difference based off stage, possible. but then again ST is like this too. and so is AE, ae speed is not 100% consistent from stage to stage. so that argument is pretty moot =/

[SweetJohnnyV]

For the n'th time...PLAY MODE SPECIFIC for either HF or SSF2 (for both casual and tournies). Done. Simple.

Good point. Although FWIW, I think this idea is also why the game gets as much flak as it does from the ST crowd. You can't really use it as a substitute to play ST, which kinda sucks. Either way, I do like your idea though. I'd be much more interested in a turbo speed SSF2 tourney than an anything-goes AE tourney. It's too bad that something like that never seems to happen.

why is ultracade even brought up? lol, that thing is horrible in every aspect.

ive never had a problem with hf arcade speeds from board to board. maybe a slight difference based off stage, possible. but then again ST is like this too. and so is AE, ae speed is not 100% consistent from stage to stage. so that argument is pretty moot =/

Actually, I played HF at a tourney this past weekend at Cal Poly and it seemed crazy slow to me. If the speed of HF boards really do vary, that would explain it. Sadly, most of my HF experience over the past few years has been on XBL and Ultracade machines, so I just chalked it up to that. But this makes me feel less crazy, so I'm willing to believe it :wink:

[SaBrE]

hf speed, when compared to ST speed(free select t2 or t3) is slower. ultracade HF will be super fast, or really slow, depending on stage(rog stage is blazing fast), so that version is night and day on its issues. HF on xbl is a ps1 port, not well known for its stunning accuracy.

ive never had problems going from hf cabinet to hf cabinet in my life. i just dont see how its possible that speeds vary from board to board. maybe from region to region or a rom revision, i can see that. but not just from board to board on the same version. i just dont believe that

also, i think AE works well for a better version of ssf2 and CE since now you get speed, but other than that, meh, just for fun

[djfrijoles]

LOL I haven't seen Vintage post in here in like 7 months but mention SSF2 in a thread and he comes out with 2 pistols in the air :rofl:

Ima hard core ST head so put my vote down for that.

[Kyokuji]

AE's a decent replacement for ST in my opinion. They nerfed O. Sagat and fixed reversals for a couple characters. I doubt we'll see anyone make the switch though. Not unless Japan did as well.

[SaBrE]

kyokuji: too bad st vega is messed up, and the fact that st characters cant tech throws unless its against ST NEW characters only. cant even do it vs old ST characters, wtf. dropped the ball hard there

[DreamTR]

DGV is just uberobsessed with SSF2 for some reason. I can't believe someone could be so into a SNES game, but to each his own, we all like some funky stuff =P

[djfrijoles]

DGV is just uberobsessed with SSF2 for some reason. I can't believe someone could be so into a SNES game, but to each his own, we all like some funky stuff =P


*waits for DGV to come in shooting :rofl:*

[Kyokuji]

Ah, yeah. I forgot about Claw. Didn't know about the tech issue though. You'd think they could've spent another week in development and fixed that crap.

[mad possum]

Ah, yeah. I forgot about Claw. Didn't know about the tech issue though. You'd think they could've spent another week in development and fixed that crap.


I kinda like the fact that the ST characters can't tech the O. and Super character's throws, it helps balance things out since the ST version for almost every character is better (and makes up for the fact they don't have Supers).

Whenever I play AE with friends we basically segregate the games, either use only Super and ST versions of characters or only WW, CE, or HF versions (basically either CPS1 only or CPS2 only).

I do think HF vs. Super and ST isn't unbalanced and allows for some interesting match-ups. It's basically just CE that throws everything off. If you left out CE the game would be very interesting at a high level.

[MrSimpson]

Personally, I see playing the games as "seperate" instead

[mad possum]

You take out all the CE nonsense the game isn't really that unbalanced. Matches like ST Ryu vs. HF Ryu are interesting, each one has different strengths. HF Honda vs. ST Sim, Super Chun vs. HF Guile, etc.