The official Final Crisis thread

[darksoul173]

Well FC is coming out next week and i thought it deserve a thread of its own.

Why is it gonna work:
1)Well for starters its Morisson and his stuff always been all sort of crazy.

2)The idea of the story is "The day that evil won" and its also looks very promising

3)Very very few tie-ins, Im not a fan of getting every single tie in to get the big picture and DC said the are only going to be a few other stories that will tie with FC (like Sinestro wars), and some of them looks realy cool (Legion of 3 worlds, Rogues revenge) almost all of them are written by either Morisson or Johns/

4)Libra: "DO I HEAR A HALLELUJA???"

Why its not going to work?
Well IC was crap so this is what im worried about, But it seems that DC learned their lesson with the Sinestro Corps War

Anyway im pretty hyped for this one , so anything FC i guess we can talk here

[Rugal 3:16]

Tie ins or not If the story ends up like another F*cking mindless and senseless bloodfest DC SHOULD pay me 3.99 to even glance at it.

World War Hulk had a lot of Tie-ins but it's essentially one of the more interesting modern superhero stories ever presented (in the context of the "modern superhero" standards that is)

The Crisis was once the holy grail of cross-overs but it's been perverted over and over by "quick-fixes" and people who do not know what they are doing.

[Darkshine]

Dude, Morrison's the writer for Final Crisis. That means it's going to be at least fucking amazing and likely the best comic event EVER. I mean, it's fucking Morrison.

:pray:

[darksoul173]

Dude, Morrison's the writer for Final Crisis. That means it's going to be at least fucking amazing and likely the best comic event EVER. I mean, it's fucking Morrison.

:pray:
Yeah thats the main reason im picking it up

[ChairHome]

I haven't read many Morrison books, but I'm starting too... Picking up Batman R.I.P.... But for me, Johns is the reason I'm excited about this series. And if Morrison is as good as everyone says, then this series has two of the industries best writers co-writing an epic event. Should be great.

[darksoul173]

Morisson is all about writing original and crazy stuff. He got that method of giving alot of pieces that dont seem to be related and as the story progress the pieces come togther.

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I dunno about you, but FC #1 left me the same feeling as DC universe #0.

WTF is going on.

[Nightwing1990]

You should of put with the tittle "spoiler".
Anyway i miss the original Question but the She-Question aint that bad.... J'onzzzzz NOOO!!!!!!!!!! :sad:

[Sano]

Well no one's spoiled anything yet so...

Canadians get their comics today and those of in the United States get it tomorrow because of the Memorial Day holiday...

Anyway please use spoiler tags when necessary, thanks.

[Nightwing1990]

Tbh i never found out how to use spoiler tags....
I download my comics:tup:

[darksoul173]

Ok after reading FC#1 i can just say "Yep its morisson"

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The 1st issue was very underwhelming. I kept turning the page hoping for something big to happen and nothing materialized. They really need to get to the point of what this crisis is supposed to be.

Quite the contrast to Marvel's Secret Invasion where they hit the ground running.

[Nightwing1990]

The 1st issue was very underwhelming. I kept turning the page hoping for something big to happen and nothing materialized. They really need to get to the point of what this crisis is supposed to be.

Quite the contrast to Marvel's Secret Invasion where they hit the ground running.

Do u realize this is only the 1st issue

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Do u realize this is only the 1st issue

I do. It was still a disapointment compared to Secret Invasion #1. I enjoyed the first issue of Identity Crisis as well. Final Crisis #1 was pretty boring I found.

Might have been the hype. I was expecting a whole lot more from this first issue I suppose. I'm still optimistic though. Hopefully next issue won't be the same as this one.

[Nightwing1990]

Don't worry it'll all add up in the long run

[Pained Auron]

Don't worry it'll all add up in the long run dc fanboy





Fc was ok. I was underwhelmed as well. The art was sure pretty though. Also the casualty didn't seem to have a big impact. At least to me anyway. Plus I heard that that character had been on the chopping block for a while now. I guess that much like nightwing, didio doesn't care too much for him. Although it does seem like Morrison is on something. I will continue to read this with curiosity.

[darksoul173]

Don't worry it'll all add up in the long run

I agree, Morisson is known for his story build-ups and twists it will get better, I hope.

[Rugal 3:16]

Kinda sad when I find Issue number 1 of the Pathetic Infinite Crisis more interesting (the return of the four Survivors from Crisis of Infinite Earths). what do we get in this one?? er... ahh?

DC more marketing please :(

[Wellman]

I do. It was still a disapointment compared to Secret Invasion #1. I enjoyed the first issue of Identity Crisis as well. Final Crisis #1 was pretty boring I found.

Might have been the hype. I was expecting a whole lot more from this first issue I suppose. I'm still optimistic though. Hopefully next issue won't be the same as this one.

The difference between SI and FC is that Bendis has been building SI in his mind and throughout Marvel books, he is related to for years. While Morrison might have had some of the ideas for FC, DC hasn't been prepping many books for it until the past couple of months.

That and SI is just a Skrull invasion and by labeling this event Final Crisis, DC has put a huge amount of hype and expectations on this event.

[ChairHome]

what do we get in this one?? er... ahh?

We got
The death of Martian Manhunter
But, yeah, nobody really cared. I know I kind of don't.

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I think FC #1 should have been renamed to Countdown to Final Crisis #-1.

[darksoul173]

I think FC #1 should have been renamed to Countdown to Final Crisis #-1.
Thats cold

[Nightwing1990]

We got
The death of Martian Manhunter
But, yeah, nobody really cared. I know I kind of don't.

I cared gawt dammit:crybaby:

[Pained Auron]

I cared gawt dammit:crybaby:




You don't count

[Nightwing1990]

You don't count
SOmething a deadpool fan would say

[myleftshoe]

SOmething a deadpool fan would say

Are you referring to him being a marvel fan boy or complimenting him on Deadool wit? :razzy:

[Nightwing1990]

Are you referring to him being a marvel fan boy or complimenting him on Deadool wit? :razzy:

Deadpool wit

[kane_warhead]

I just find it funny that people are complaining about continuity regarding SI #1, yet absolutely ignores it with Final Crisis #1.

I mean Superman doesn't even remember that he witnessed the deaths of most of the new gods. He knows Infinity Man did it, and yet he isn't like investigating it.

And the Guardians are surprised that Orion died... when they totally ignored the death of all the other new gods?

I trust Grant Morrison, though.

[Darkshine]

I just find it funny that people are complaining about continuity regarding SI #1, yet absolutely ignores it with Final Crisis #1.

I mean Superman doesn't even remember that he witnessed the deaths of most of the new gods. He knows Infinity Man did it, and yet he isn't like investigating it.

And the Guardians are surprised that Orion died... when they totally ignored the death of all the other new gods?

I trust Grant Morrison, though.

To be fair, the Guardians were sort of dealing with a war against the Sinestro Corps, at the time. >_>

[kane_warhead]

To be fair, the Guardians were sort of dealing with a war against the Sinestro Corps, at the time. >_>

Care to explain the one about Superman?

[darksoul173]

Care to explain the one about Superman?

Supes was hiding in the FOS from the horrors of Countdown

[Darkshine]

Care to explain the one about Superman?

It could just be Morrison using Superman as a mean to explain to new readers who exactly the New Gods are, ignoring continuity. Of course, it is possible that death of the Fourth World has caused the rest of reality to somehow forget most of their dealings with the New Gods. I can't think of anything else that would make sense. I mean Orion and Big Barda were part of the freaking JLA once; in Morrison's own run, none the less. The continuity discrepancy will likely be addressed in a future issue of Final Crisis, knowing Morrison.

[Rugal 3:16]

F*ck the New Gods and F*ck DC continuity.. (it's a damn comic book so Stories and Plot >>>>>>>> Continuity and to some extent characterization)

I Just wish DC would go back to being DC and not being an overall Marvel rip-off when it comes to the dance.

DC really has piss-poor marketing, they should instead create dissatisfaction with marvel style storytelling the same way marvel's smart marketing made the 1960's better plotted DC books look like child stuff compared to marvel's less plot but more character driven style.. marvel was brilliant.

Unlike Kane I won't nitpick about continuity. Marvel and DC BOTH just F*cks up way too much these days (*cough ultimate universe, one more day)

BTW yeah I didn't care that much for J'onn but I also didn't care much for the New Warriors C-listers dying as well.. Ironically I cared for Earth-2 Lois dying more than the two combined.

Libra WTF that's a way obsolete JLA villain from the Gardner Fox era.. no build up.

The only intersting side-story to FC is Legion of 3 worlds, and it might even be more interesting than FC itself the same way that IMO Villains united and Superman: Infinite Crisis storyline makes the actual Infinite Crisis look pathetic.

[kane_warhead]

F*ck the New Gods and F*ck DC continuity.. (it's a damn comic book so Stories and Plot >>>>>>>> Continuity and to some extent characterization)



Apparently alot of the fans do care about the New Gods and DC continuity.

Hey if we follow by your rule, Libra is okay... Since we don't care about continuity right?

[Rugal 3:16]

No. my gripe about Libra has more to do with him being obsolete rather than it having anything to do with continuity.

We got a first victim, As i stated the Crisis concept was bastardized to no end, so when we get a first issue about another of those "trends" it just reinforces my notion about DC being too much about death and the whatnot.

[kane_warhead]

No. my gripe about Libra has more to do with him being obsolete rather than it having anything to do with continuity.

We got a first victim, As i stated the Crisis concept was bastardized to no end, so when we get a first issue about another of those "trends" it just reinforces my notion about DC being too much about death and the whatnot.

Then stop reading it. If you don't like the story, then don't.

And how was Libra obsolete, btw?

Grant Morrison has been knowned in bringing back old villains and turning them into a threat(ie The Key)

[ToyRobotTerror]

countdown, the fastest retcon ever?

[kane_warhead]

Rumors are floating around that Barry Allen is Libra. http://www.majorspoilers.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/05a/librapoll/libramain.jpg

[Rugal 3:16]

He liked appeared in one JLA story, I didn't say I fully didn't like it, it was just a Gripe anyway I really don't read what I find crap (X-men titles for example) I'm just pessimistic about Crisis and the DCU nowadays in general. but i don't totally hate it.

BTW it is an interesting theory that the Buried Alien would be Libra, although in DC zero.he came back in a bolt of lightning while the secret society were having a conregation.

[NOBITA KUN]

Libra being a old and forgotten about villian definitaly gives this a better edge....as soon as I heard his name in a Grant Morrison interview I went out and did some reserch on him....the unknown is always great...Im haveing a little bit of a problem getting over DARKSEID being negro gangster now....but ive got hopes that this series will be good....just wish there was a way they could broing back METRON

[Are_you_okay?!]

Well this doesn't seem worth the pick-up, which sucks, I need something to revive my love for DC. Seriously I haven't picked up a DC comic (Either single issues or TPB) in a few months, and I honestly don't care. Everything they are doing currently just seems like a bad rip-off of what Marvel is doing.

It's like Marvel comes out and say's "We plan to kill like ten people in our next major event."

Then DC just comes up "Oh yeah?! Well we plan to kill all our heroes, top that shit son!"

Seriously Final Crises was already spoiled in my wizard. Evil wins, heroes die, end of story. What the hell is the point?

[ToyRobotTerror]

Well this doesn't seem worth the pick-up, which sucks, I need something to revive my love for DC. Seriously I haven't picked up a DC comic (Either single issues or TPB) in a few months, and I honestly don't care. Everything they are doing currently just seems like a bad rip-off of what Marvel is doing.

It's like Marvel comes out and say's "We plan to kill like ten people in our next major event."

Then DC just comes up "Oh yeah?! Well we plan to kill all our heroes, top that shit son!"

Seriously Final Crises was already spoiled in my wizard. Evil wins, heroes die, end of story. What the hell is the point?

Sinestro corps war
Green Lantern Corps
Green Lantern

[darksoul173]

Since when a Morisson book starts "big?"?, Morisson is known for is build ups. Just give the series time before droping it right of the first chapter.

[Zephyranthes]

Seriously Final Crises was already spoiled in my wizard. Evil wins, heroes die, end of story. What the hell is the point?

That's why you gotta stop reading Wizard. Those guys always make cool stuff sound stupid, or they make lame stuff sound awesome.

[Are_you_okay?!]

Sinestro corps war
Green Lantern Corps
Green Lantern

Already have them in Trades, only way I like reading GL.

True Zephy, but after flipping through it the issue didn't appeal to me. I will however buy the second and see if it picks up speed. Batman R.I.P might get me motivated in DC again, just wish there was more interesting work. After Wally left Flash and Green Arrow died I kinda slumped out of DC.

[Darkshine]

F*ck the New Gods and F*ck DC continuity.. (it's a damn comic book so Stories and Plot >>>>>>>> Continuity and to some extent characterization)

Heh. The New Gods are my favorite part of DC mythos.

[kane_warhead]

He liked appeared in one JLA story, I didn't say I fully didn't like it, it was just a Gripe anyway I really don't read what I find crap (X-men titles for example) I'm just pessimistic about Crisis and the DCU nowadays in general. but i don't totally hate it.

BTW it is an interesting theory that the Buried Alien would be Libra, although in DC zero.he came back in a bolt of lightning while the secret society were having a conregation.

What a gripe it is!

You were raving about it here in the thread. You sounded like you lose a ball or two.

[Rugal 3:16]

Kane..

I'm not the only one who made a "gripe".

Anyway "gripes" are generally subjective and the other people here didn't seem like they have a problem with that gripe of mine.

I did try to end the hostility by commenting about who libra is only to send a reply intended to make me reply back (not that I'm saying it's a bad thing) but even if i was in the wrong, the notion of "yeah because you were B*tching like a B*Tch" realization you're pondering about me, doesn't add up to anything worth of value to this..

..yes neither was my "griping" i tried to keep in-topic, based on your replies it seems like now you're more concerned with punking me out (replying to my defenses in a fashion that invites hostility) rather than contributing something further. (correct me if i'm wrong though)

This is a message board, juvenilities can come out in a while or two, So i don't know what you'll be content with, not like you haven't brought up anything that also constitutes to "Griping" as in posts 28 & 30 (Not that i have any intent of making you look back, but my point here is that your actions are no better than mine)

I did not intend for a "Quote following/vs quote" reply that can potentilly degenrate into a flame war that points fingers on who caused what first. But with all the B*tching I made I never made any flat out derogatory remarks about anyone in this post. But hey If I have done anything to offend you I apologize, now can we move on.

============Back to topic==============

I am more concerned with the DCU post-FC, will it really reboot everyone this time Properly, will they just properly retconned backstories while moving forward, Will Superman and Lois Status quo be brought back to pre-marriage/secret revelation? who will Batman be? Is there a long term editorial decision change.. proper treatment of their B-heroes? how they will change their attitude towards quality in media expansion?.

most of all will there be a proper Marketing change. :D

[darksoul173]

Grant Morisson on FC#1 http://www.newsarama.com/comics/080609-MorrisonFC01.html

[NOBITA KUN]

^--- This explains everthing to me I was wondering why ORION was still alive in FINAL CRISIS...when we had seen him go out OG style in DEATH OF THE NEW GODS......Them FINDING METRONS chair was cool....but what did it float form the SOURCE WALL all the way to EARTH and land on the top of a trash dump?.....i dont buy it....and it pisses me off since METRON is my favorite charater out of any universe...

FINAL CRISIS is set to build up hard...Imma give it time.....but im thinking that there is noway it will EVER!!!! EVER!!!!! be a excalation point and add finallity on DEATH OF THE NEW GODS......

Long live THE NEW GODS !!!!!!!

Long live JACK KIRBY !!!!

[Rugal 3:16]

I'm willing to give DC the benefit of the doubt with FC but so far there are no OMG moments that should entice the readers to look forward to the next issue, this is a maxi-series so building up hype is more necessary.

Right now the only other DC title I'm interested in aside from All Star Superman is The new Braniac Story Arc from Action comics.

[darksoul173]

I'm willing to give DC the benefit of the doubt with FC but so far there are no OMG moments that should entice the readers to look forward to the next issue, this is a maxi-series so building up hype is more necessary.

Right now the only other DC title I'm interested in aside from All Star Superman is The new Braniac Story Arc from Action comics.

Thats Morrison's style he always like to do a big build ups and giving small parts of a much bigger picture

And yes i also realy looking forward for the Brainiac arc the opening was top tier

[akumatrunigga]

Well this doesn't seem worth the pick-up, which sucks, I need something to revive my love for DC. Seriously I haven't picked up a DC comic (Either single issues or TPB) in a few months, and I honestly don't care. Everything they are doing currently just seems like a bad rip-off of what Marvel is doing.

It's like Marvel comes out and say's "We plan to kill like ten people in our next major event."

Then DC just comes up "Oh yeah?! Well we plan to kill all our heroes, top that shit son!"

Seriously Final Crises was already spoiled in my wizard. Evil wins, heroes die, end of story. What the hell is the point?Im with you there. I forced myself recently regarding DC to catch up in what the hell is going on. I just finished 52 (yep read all four vols since this past saturday and just drop them off in the library.) and hopefully i can catch up with countdown. I wanted to give this a chance but my disgrace with IC just got not hoping too much because it is all based on that in some form.