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Septimus Prime
06-20-2008, 09:42 AM
http://money.cnn.com/2008/06/18/technology/bigscreenTV.fortune/index.htm?section=money_technology

TVs shrink in the big economic picture
A slowing economy is expected to crimp sales of the largest sets.
By Scott Moritz, writer
June 19, 2008: 12:26 PM EDT

NEW YORK (Fortune) -- First the SUV, now the big-screen TV.

America's supersized consumer appetite is shrinking. With the increased costs of food and fuel, rising unemployment, falling home prices, tighter credit and general gloom it's hardly a surprise that people aren't bulking up on big ticket purchases like they used to.

But big screen TV sales have held up well. Until now. Analysts say the next consumer luxury to feel the pinch of the slowing economy will be the Humvee of TVs- the 46-inch-and-above, $3,000-plus flat-screen high-definition set.

The number of "shipments are tracking in line but people are spending less on TVs," says Tayyib Shah, an analyst with Longbow Research. "People are buying smaller sizes and concentrating their spending on lower-priced models."

Other industry analysts says they are also seeing a dip in demand and uptick in supply.

"The second quarter will be slow because of the economic conditions," says iSuppli TV analyst Riddhi Patel. "Inventory levels are at 8 weeks, which is very high."

The likely results of this cooling trend: Lower prices on big TVs to move a mountain of inventory, and cuts in production levels to adjust to lower demand.

Cheaper TVs certainly help aspiring home cinema fans, but slashed production is not good news for suppliers like liquid crystal display glassmaker Corning (GLW, Fortune 500).

One of Corning's largest customers, a Taiwanese LCD panel maker, recently tempered its "utilization rates," says Lehman Bros. analyst C. J. Muse, invoking a euphemism for production cuts. Panel makers use LCD glass to make the screens for TV and computer monitor manufacturers.

These component makers have three ways to adjust supply to demand, says Muse. First, they partially assemble screens and finish them later to fill orders. Second, they shift production from TV screens to computer monitors. And if those approaches aren't enough, they cut production.

"It's still early, as far as what's going on," says Muse, "but the initial news out of Asia is not inspiring."

A slowdown would seem to come as a big surprise to Corning. As recently as three weeks ago, CEO Wendell Weeks said there was "no evidence of an economic downturn impacting LCD TV sales in the U.S."

A Corning spokesman declined comment Wednesday.

But as the supplier at the far end of the chain, Corning has shown a blind spot when it comes to slowdowns. At the peak of the Internet building boom, for example, all Corning could see was sky high demand for fiber optic cable, even as the industry ran right off a cliff.

The signs that big TVs are going the way of the Ford Excursion aren't so indisputable yet. On Tuesday, electronics retail giant Best Buy (BBY, Fortune 500) posted solid quarterly results partially on the strength of TV sales. TVs got pushed out the door thanks to customers wielding Federal stimulus checks, and an increase in financed purchases through Best Buy credit cards.

And iSuppli's Patel notes that lower prices could stimulate demand, while higher travel costs encourage more home entertainment purchases.

But that buy could well be shrinking in size. That's bad news for glassmakers - and to the head of the household who has to settle for a foot less of crystal clear video screen just to keep gas tank filled.
Fewer SUVs on the road and cheaper TVs? It's like our consolation prize for our economic situation.

Gord
06-20-2008, 09:49 AM
Perfect time to be a college student :tup:

hanz0
06-20-2008, 09:49 AM
Well if those things werent so expensive maybe people could buy them more:xeye:

I dont have freaking 2000 USD to spend on a TV no thank you I will keep my flat screen tube tv:chat:

TheRock-BoS
06-20-2008, 10:01 AM
I got my 42" 1080p set for $900....

Grog
06-20-2008, 10:03 AM
I got out of TV sales because of the lowering prices, $2000 today is for top of the line SXRD. You can get a perfectly fine 720P microprojection for $999-$1500.

Dirt Mc Girt
06-20-2008, 10:29 AM
Dont Take Blu Ray With U Economic Crisis Siiisis :(

DarthTrey
06-20-2008, 11:05 AM
I got my 42" 1080p set for $900....

well aren't you special.

AzN_Skater
06-20-2008, 11:06 AM
I wonder if 1080p projectors will drop as well. In the market for one right now haha.

Dirt Mc Girt
06-20-2008, 11:10 AM
can you really see the benefits of 1080p in 42 inch unless you're sitting up close?

i have a 70 inch dlp 1080p set i got for only $1500

and i have a 1080p projector i use mostly

DS
06-20-2008, 11:18 AM
can you really see the benefits of 1080p in 42 inch unless you're sitting up close?



Actually, you can see the difference without even sitting close. It's a much more vibrant picture and the color quality is a lot more saturated.

Anyway, I paid about $2,000 for my 40" inch Samsung HDTV. 1080p, of course. But knowing that these TVs will be cheaper now will assist me in getting one for my mom this holiday season. :tup:

Serpent
06-20-2008, 11:30 AM
This is why Reaganism fails, and should have been obvious to everybody involved. The economy, much like the SF scene, is not driven by the top earners, it is driven by the large middle/average. You take them away, and it all falls apart.

This is also why all that bullshit about "price before inflation" and other crap is just flat out wrong. It doesn't work that way. Theoretically everything is allegedly cheaper now and everybody earns more money, but it sure doesn't seem that way in reality right? Theory fighter is nonsense, whether economy, law or fighting games. People work more and have less actual income now, because there are more necessary costs. This is also why, from that example before, you are better off making more money than everyone else than making a higher amount but less than everyone else relatively. Price of individual goods is an inaccurate measure, percentage of price compared to total necessary goods is a far better indicator. As such, disposable income is near nonexistant now for most people.

TheRock-BoS
06-20-2008, 11:31 AM
can you really see the benefits of 1080p in 42 inch unless you're sitting up close?

i have a 70 inch dlp 1080p set i got for only $1500

and i have a 1080p projector i use mostly

40-42" is borderline where you don't have to sit close to the set to tell the difference. Anything less, 1080p is kinda wasted and you should probably settle on 720p.

Serpent
06-20-2008, 11:54 AM
40-42" is borderline where you don't have to sit close to the set to tell the difference. Anything less, 1080p is kinda wasted and you should probably settle on 720p.

No way. The difference is extremely obvious unless you are blind, or sit like 100 feet away from the TV. Most people sit maybe 8 feet or so away from their TV, and have decent vision, if corrected at least. I have 20/15, it's obvious to me though I guess a bit further than that, but still.

Bowza
06-20-2008, 12:07 PM
This is why Reaganism fails, and should have been obvious to everybody involved. The economy, much like the SF scene, is not driven by the top earners, it is driven by the large middle/average. You take them away, and it all falls apart.

Well the idea of spending money that doesn't exist(creating new money) to pay for various domestic/international programs has been around before "reaganism"- but either way any type of central economic planning fails because its impossible to predict the needs of the market.

The failed policies have driven the value of our currency to the ground- and increased prices for everything across the board. The whole idea of consumption being the only thing to drive the economy is the ridiculous idea people have had for too long. That's why nearly everyone is worse than broke, they're deep in credit debt. You can only borrow money for so long to finance ridiculous amounts of consumption without actually producing anything. A lowering of all of our living standards is inevitable(and necessary, since any attempts to stop the market from correcting itself only leads to another bubble and even WORSE collapse. But that's what the Fed has done by lowering the interest rates again).

ChibiT89
06-20-2008, 12:36 PM
I got my 42" 1080p set for $900....

me too! e-high five? :cybot:

i actually bought a warranty too so its 950 .

MaxVandalism315
06-20-2008, 12:38 PM
ooo shit, wonder what kind of prices we'll see on black friday

Septimus Prime
06-20-2008, 12:53 PM
40-42" is borderline where you don't have to sit close to the set to tell the difference. Anything less, 1080p is kinda wasted and you should probably settle on 720p.

No way. The difference is extremely obvious unless you are blind, or sit like 100 feet away from the TV. Most people sit maybe 8 feet or so away from their TV, and have decent vision, if corrected at least. I have 20/15, it's obvious to me though I guess a bit further than that, but still.
Exactly. That stupid bullshit chart that's floating around the Internet is FUD. How are you going to fucking quantify the number of pixels your eyes can discern? And then you're going to tell me how many pixels my eyes can see? Get the fuck out of here with that bullshit.

And then there's so made-up line-graph, with no numbers, as if visual quality degradation is linear. Uh fucking huh. :rolleyes:

voodazz
06-20-2008, 01:13 PM
I bought my 57 inch HD from a crackhead for 400 bucks. True Story.

Chachi
06-20-2008, 02:49 PM
A lowering of living standards is necessary? Good luck trying to tell that to the women.

YellowS4
06-20-2008, 02:51 PM
I wonder if 1080p projectors will drop as well. In the market for one right now haha.

So am I man... so am I.

BBCampbell
06-20-2008, 03:53 PM
Another theory about Flat Screens: The networks are going to stop broadcasting regular signals in February and while there are converters, a bunch of people either are going to want to upgrade to a new TV or think they'll have to (because they're stupid).

Everyone who wanted a big screen probably either has one by now or can't afford it. Hence, the sales of 42" and up TVs will decline regardless of the economy.

But then again, with gas being as crazy as it is, people are probably having their budgets crushed anyway. (Now that's what I like to call BIG DAMAGE...)